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      In September 2015, the European Union was subject to what has become known as “The Great Migration.” [Prepare yourselves: The Great Migration will be with us for decades, by Fraser Nelson, Telegraph, September 3, 2015]In a matter of weeks, hundreds of thousands of people—most of them young and male, from Syria and other parts of the Muslim world—illegally overwhelmed the hapless southern European border controls. Before long, columns of them were marching through Eastern Europe, determined to get to Germany or the UK and “claim asylum”—ignoring the assorted “safe countries” through which they’d already passed. Finland-based English anthropologist Dr Edward Dutton was fascinated by the huge differences in how different ethnic groups reacted to these supposed “refugees.”

      Western Europe went into virtue-signalling, faux-pity meltdown, with German Chancellor Angela Merkel taking in a million refugees and Finnish Prime Minister, Juha Sipilä, disingenuously offering to place some of them in his own house.

      Eastern Europe, in stark contrast, saw this as an invasion of their ethnic homelands, with even their ruling class making clear that they weren’t going to take “EU quotas” of these future suicide-bombers.

      Israel, other Middle Eastern countries and Japan were adamant that they weren’t going to take any at all. [Netanyahu Rejects Calls for Israel to Accept Syrian Refugees, by Isabel Kershner, NYT, September 6, 2015]

      How could these wildly different reactions be explained?

      The result is Dutton’s new book Race Differences in Ethnocentrism, published by Arktos, which has interviewed him in detail about his new work on its own YouTube channel, Interregnum.

      Interregnum #34—Race Differences in Ethnocentrism with Edward Dutton, May 30, 2019

      In the book, Dutton brings together all of the disparate research on this taboo topic—including his own, published with Richard Lynn in such scholarly journals as Personality and Individual Differencesto test whether there really are “race differences in ethnocentrism” and, if so, how these have come to develop.

      Dutton divides between “positive ethnocentrism”—meaning that you cooperate with your in-group, cherish it and make sacrifices for it—and “negative ethnocentrism”: that you see the outgroup as inferior and are prepared to destroy it. He highlights computer-modelling which has conclusively demonstrated that in the battle of “group selection”—between ethnic groups which are ultimately extended kinship groups and genetic clusters—the more ethnocentric group ultimately triumphs. This makes Dutton’s research, as he stresses, extremely pressing: understanding what’s going on and why is a matter of ethnic life and death.

      For Dutton, there are both genetic and environmental factors involved in understanding race differences in ethnocentrism. He shows that Northeast Asians are consistently more ethnocentric than Europeans. To understand why, he suggests that their highly-predictable yet extremely harsh ancestral ecology has led to selection for tightly-structured, highly-cooperative groups with very small gene pools, because any deviation from extreme adaptation would be selected out. This makes them positively ethnocentric and, with a small gene pool, strongly incentivised to fight outsiders, who will inherently be very different from them. Deeply rule-following, they are also strongly averse to the “change” that foreigners will bring.

      The result: extremely high altruism and conscientiousness but very few outliers either in terms of personality or IQ. Thus, argues Dutton, Northeast Asians cannot easily produce scientific geniuses—who will invent things that will allow you to win the battle of group selection—because geniuses tend to combined outlier high IQ plus moderately low conscientiousness and altruism: this means they don’t care about breaking the rules or offending vested interests. With a small gene pool, these geniuses are less likely to be produced in Northeast Asia, as are those with outlier high IQ or moderate psychopathic personality, because the flipside of this will be low IQ psychopaths who would undermine group cohesion.

      So, the only way Northeast Asians can “fight” is through high ethnocentrism and Dutton shows that this fits with what we know of their genetics.

      With Europeans, Dutton argues, a different and in many ways superior strategy presents itself. Subject to less stringent environment, they have a larger gene pool, meaning that they are able to produce geniuses. Moreover, being less ethnocentric, they are better able to trade. This allows them to expand and beat other groups in the battle of group selection, due the remarkable weapons and other inventions which their geniuses have provided. Accordingly, it benefits them to be optimally low in both aspects of ethnocentrism, at least under Darwinian conditions in which religiousness and mortality salience uphold this optimum minimum. Their “Genius Strategy” allows them, in effect, to dominate the world.

      Dutton has looked at this in a number of his videos on his growing YouTube channel, The Jolly Heretic.

      Then Dutton moves to the Islamic world. With a not very stable nor very harsh ecology, they have low IQ (as environmental harshness selects for IQ) and a very large gene pool. This means they certainly won’t compete in the battle of group selection with a genius strategy and there’s no natural selection towards an ethnocentric one.

      In this environment, people are untrustworthy, low in altruism and cooperation. So how can you produce a functioning society? How do you persuade men to accept that their offspring are theirs and so invest in them? How do you persuade men to cooperate rather than jealously fight over females all the time?

      Well, maintains Dutton, the common Middle Eastern phenomenon of cousin marriage means that even if you have paternity anxiety you might as well invest in the child because it will be closely related to you. It also creates a small gene pool and thus negative ethnocentrism. Female circumcision reduces female sexual desire and means you can better trust that a child is yours, leading to fewer jealous fights between men. Patriarchal religiousness, including the veiling of women, controls females, meaning less paternity anxiety and more of a reason for males to cooperate. It also provides single males with a purpose, as martyrs for the ethnic group.

      Ultimately, this renders South Asians more ethnocentric than Europeans. In a recent episode of the Jolly Heretic, Dutton has cuttingly explored the evolution of female circumcision in this regard.

      Finally, black Africans are more negatively ethnocentric than Europeans but not very positively ethnocentric. Their levels of impulse control are often too low to permit institutions such as cousin marriage. So, they simply split constantly into different factions and may even be attracted to marrying those of a different race, as in a very unstable ecology that may bring the offspring some genetic benefits. Hence, the “black goes for blonde” stereotype.

      Having explored the genetic dimensions, Dutton turns to the environment. He argues that the Industrial Revolution led to the gradual collapse of Darwinian selection in the West. This has resulted in the collapse of environmental stress and morality salience, which elevate ethnocentric instincts and also religiousness. Religiousness, he shows, itself predicts ethnocentrism. The Industrial Revolution led to larger gene pools in European countries, people marrying those who are more genetically distant, and immigration which (he demonstrates) undermines ethnocentrism even among the natives by sowing distrust.

      It also meant that child mortality collapsed from 40% in 1800 to 1% today. But high child mortality culled out those with mutant genes of the body. Drawing upon research by his colleague Michael Woodley of Menie, Dutton argues that these correlate with mutant genes of the mind which lead to instincts that are highly maladaptive. Thus, we see more and more people—“spiteful mutants” in Woodley of Menie’s words—with maladaptive instincts such as xenophilia, anti-ethnocentrism and anti-natalism, and these people influence even non-carriers to behave in a maladaptive way through means of persuasion.

      These “spiteful mutants” push society to allow people from countries that have been under Darwinian selection for longer—such as those from the Middle East—to enter their societies and outcompete them in evolution.

      In Dutton’s words:

      Multiculturalism is akin to introducing wild animals into a zoo full of domesticated ones. Accordingly, the wild animals will simply out-breed and come to take over the Western country in question. It seems fairly clear that in the early 2000s this is precisely what is happening in Western countries.

      Nevertheless, Dutton ends Race Differences in Ethnocentrism on a note of optimism for European people. It is only Europe’s high IQ which is sustaining this “zoo.” Intelligence, he shows, is in genetic decline with only those of low IQ and also the highly traditionally religious (and thus highly ethnocentric) having above replacement fertility.

      Accordingly, Dutton cautiously predicts the collapse of civilization, interethnic warfare, the return of Darwinian conditions—and Europeans becoming more ethnocentric once again.

      Lance Welton [Email him] is the pen name of a freelance journalist living in New York.

      (Republished from VDare by permission of author or representative)
       
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      1. ‘Northeast Asians [demonstrate] extremely high altruism and conscientiousness but very few outliers either in terms of personality or IQ. Northeast Asians cannot easily produce scientific geniuses.’?

        Given that Northeast Asians invented almost everything before they encountered us and have resumed doing so since they drove us out, this conclusion seems premature.

        Right now they’re ahead in basic STEM research, in math, computer science, materials science and engineering, lead in most technologies and seem set to pull ahead in physics by 2025.

        Given that momentum favors them, shouldn’t we wait a little?

      2. Anon[143] • Disclaimer says:

        Deeply rule-following, they are also strongly averse to the “change” that foreigners will bring.

        The result: extremely high altruism and conscientiousness but very few outliers either in terms of personality or IQ. Thus, argues Dutton, Northeast Asians cannot easily produce scientific geniuses—who will invent things that will allow you to win the battle of group selection—because geniuses tend to combined outlier high IQ plus moderately low conscientiousness and altruism: this means they don’t care about breaking the rules or offending vested interests.

        Why call “altruism” what is the kind of self-interestedness that works better for the subject under certain conditions?

        What rules do the high-IQ outliers break, the stated ones (which actually help the group) or the unstated ones (which are much more central to what actually goes on —indeed, so central that they must be denied on the surface, like all what people care most must —, pertain to the pecking order and the contest between members to smarm up to the higher-ups the best)?

        Do we need to call “psychopaths”, or other analogue names, people who don’t satisfy the higher-ups appetite for obedience and flattery, and arouse envy in the others because they have a defined self?

        • Replies: @Whitewolf
      3. Anon[143] • Disclaimer says:

        Also different countries may react quite differently depending on what they are shown/told/made to read 24/7 by the united media.

        • Agree: Alfred
      4. [Loads upon loads of food for thought …. HELP!!!! 😀 ]

        – I agree with Mr. Roberts that Northeast Asians are BY FAR the best pre-adapted to a high-pop-density, high-tech future; though I base that more on human ethology (Konrad Lorenz, Eybl-Eibesfeldt). Whether selection for conformity dampens innovation remains to be seen indeed.

        – Current European National Masochism is artificial and unstable; even IF we are all going to receive judgment at the Shrine of the Prophets in Yerushalaim in the not-too-distant future, there is no way in hell this could hold. I cannot but notice the Blue Banana coincides with the zone of perpetual war 😛

        – As for cousin marriage, IIRC meta-analysis of the Iceland genealogic tables indicates a biological optimum(!) of separation (measured as number of offspring after several generations) in the vicinity of second cousin (hi deplorables!).
        It would make sense that a degree of mixing sufficient to destroy the cohesion of the quasi-species (sensu Manfred Eigen) also destroys the directionality of evolution (and thereby greatly slows it down) – there is no such thing as “hybrid vigor” between natural populations.

        – Should all of the above be the case, South Asia and the US are write-offs … and Africa is incapable of civilization. Interesting times ahead 😉

      5. Anonymous[285] • Disclaimer says:

        Asians have a narrower bell curve? Is that what Dutton indicates for their low quantity of geniuses? Is there any actual evidence of this? We presume IQ is the sole determinant of genius; but I also suspect with Dutton’s belief of a 130 IQ Ancient or Victorian European, and IQ’s attractiveness as a quantifiable measure of “superiority,” there’s an oft-ignored undertone. This doesn’t seem to detract from the cogency of his research, but it does beg questions for where it leads; and the contortion it takes to get there. If we recognize how impactful personality is to effect genius, then we’re leveraging something lacking the ability to categorically decide the ranking of humanity. So we need these extraordinary shifts in IQ that can’t be accounted for in modern times; having absolutely no empirical basis. It seems like there’s a process to manufacture an answer for something, although complicated, with ready and sufficient tools to approach with.

        • Replies: @Twinkie
      6. Svevlad says:

        It’s interesting to think about what were to happen if the plug was suddenly pulled everywhere and Darwinian evolution returned “on the big door”. Several closed loops have been broken by globalization – so I believe that under such effects Africa and the Middle East would make a sharp turn towards European-style mental evolution, simply to maintain their current level of existence unaided, because the thing nobody likes, is when they get fucked over and life increasing in difficulty

      7. Look. Sure, definitely, immigration should be curtailed and controlled. But this pseudo-pscientific crap is ridiculous.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      8. @Godfree Roberts

        East Asian innovation has been unimpressive by historical standards. Click on the image to enlarge it.

        Now you could argue that most of this is a function of the industrial revolution, i.e. namely that the West pulled ahead largely because most of the progress in World science and innovation happened during the last few centuries and as the West dominated this period, White people simply got “lucky”.

        But this is a specious argument. First it ignores that Ancient Greece was no innovation slouch. Second, contrary to the so-called ‘California Economic History School’, which has pushed a very Sinotriumphiant line claiming that the West didn’t overtake China until as late as 1800 AD, more recent recent shows that the richest areas of Europe overtook those of China far earlier.

        Finally, East Asian IQ is notably higher than West European IQ by about 5 percentage points. This may seem trivial but it makes a large difference. Very few 95 IQ societies are rich unless they have oil wealth and/or are small islands living off on tourism or being a tax haven (like Panama).

        So not only should East Asia have done as well as Western Europeans. It should have done far better, especially given that China had a greater population for much of its history compared to Europe. Europe was certainly not more unified either and if anything less so than China.

        I think we will see more Chinese innovation as time goes on, and this is already evident, but I given past trends, I doubt we’ll ever see total domination simply because East Asians appear to be less innovative for reasons nobody quite understands.

        P.S. as for Whites, I don’t think that White ethnocentrism is exactly primed for a massive uptick any time soon.

        • Replies: @Thomm
        , @An Aussie
        , @tamo
      9. Walt says:

        Unz Review is refreshing. Thank you.

      10. Patriarchal religiousness, including the veiling of women, controls females

        It controls men, too. Think about it– a bunch of teenage girls run out of a burning building to save their lives, but aren’t allowed to, because they’d be uncovered.

        Girls are in danger of death, and all you can think about is sex?

        It tells you Arab men are uncontrollable sex beasts, and Arab leaders are the first to recognize and admit this.

        Why we won’t is a mystery. Or maybe not, thanks to Dr Dutton.

      11. Obi-wan … it´s not like this is some newfangled dietary fad. The foundational literature is ~40yrs old.
        It´s not my fault the US still is in Boasist-Lysenkoist feces up to the eyebrows 😛
        Social and/or genetic mechanisms of dealing with intraspecific aggression are an increasingly important topic; those who “celebrate” it instead should not be surprised when they wake up in shitholes (though at one time it may have helped in conquering said holes).

        Svevlad … unfortunately these things play out over tens of generations; the preferred short-term adaptation to harsher living conditions is going religious bonkers (not too alien to Europe either in the past).
        Otto Koenig (whom I had the honor of hearing) put it thusly:
        You are 10.000 generations of paleolithic and 200 generations since then. What did you expect?
        (200 generations is also the time it takes a 0.1% selective advantage to become dominant, to give you an order of magnitude)

        Thulean … if LYNN & VANHANEN´s numbers are good (best correlation of income per capita with % of IQ>160) – and I have no reason to doubt them – they support the genius hypothesis.
        However the greatest forte of the Northeast Asian evolutionary model is sustainability – orderly living together of large numbers on limited space – and here no other subspecies comes even close; innovation, like mutation or mixing, is an unmitigated good only up to a point.
        (with 7 of the 10 bloodiest wars in history having taken place in China, they have lots of experience either way 😉 )

      12. Why isn’t anyone talking about the German virtue signaling as a weapon? Since WWII, German’s have been under the Jewish boot of banking, media, entertainment and information flow..much likee the US

        When German’s imported Turks they found a partial solution .. they imported anti semitic political muscle. It worked! ..

        If a few Turks in service jobs can exercise political blow back for Jews… maybe a virtuous welcome fo displaced Syrians would be better?

        It remains to be seen ….since the cure could be worse than the disease.

        Talk to German expats in Hungary… they are furious . and eager to confess their motives for welcoming …. no, importing anti semitism.

      13. I’m not sure declining IQ, “the collapse of civilization, interethnic warfare, the return of Darwinian conditions” is something to be optimistic about. Granted, it may be the only way to avert European extinction, but a return to the tribal warfare and intellectual/technological stagnation/circularity that characterised Europe for most of its history , as it characterised and continues to characterise much of the rest of the world, is a profoundly gloomy prospect, to me, at least. The only way Whites are going to survive on a planet where we are increasingly outnumbered, and which is increasingly hostile to our very existence, is through racial unity, which does not of course mean abandoning the primacy of individual ethnic/national identity and interests, but must mean putting aside petty parochialism and irredentist squabbling. A White race that is both high-IQ and highly ethnocentric, or at least ruled be an elite that has these traits, has the potential to advance to greater civilisational heights than ever before, particularly once the anti-scientific stranglehold of modern Lysenkoism is broken and the miraculous technology of gene editing can be put to work to accelerate human evolution and genetically refine the population with unprecedented speed and precision. Such ‘progress’ would not only benefit Whites, but the entirety of humanity, which has already (though thanklessly) reaped the rewards of European genius and innovation. If this could be achieved, who knows, the stars themselves might come within our grasp.

        • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
      14. – It is a common misconception that the status quo is somehow “un-Darwinian”.
        What we have done is eliminate EXTRAspecific selection pressure – famine, pestilence, winter, predators; and social control: The Herd, as a matter of course, ostracizes everything perceptibly different as either sick or predatory – very sensible, the Herd 😀
        (the reverse also holds true – “diversity” and “inclusion” destroy social cohesion, capital and trust;
        Putnam was none too happy about that result)
        The switch to intraspecific (=sexual) selection is dangerous enough for a species as it tends to reduce overall fitness (say, ever bigger tits 😛 ).
        The current human condition is worse: It favors the parasite, the rapist, the stupid and the overall “genetic load” of the not-quite-lethal (by 1950 it was already noted that the number of diabetics exploded as it was no longer a death sentence).

        “Ethnocentrism” is the rationalization of herd instinct and collective genetic egoism.
        Mr. Dutton´s nice dichotomy of “good” and “bad” ethnocentrism is untenable IMHO.
        (cf. Konrad Lorenz, “Das sogenannte Böse”)
        Take the Jews; by our standards their ethnocentrism is psychopathic – in the clinical sense – but there can be no doubt it is adaptive.
        (National Socialism was a kind of scientific, kinder, gentler and prettier Talmud)
        So this is the future you have in mind for the White species – an endogamous caste of parasites?
        (lest I be accused of you-know-what, the exact same can be observed with Parsi in India, Ismaelites in North Africa, Indians in South Africa, Chinese in Indonesia etc. … it´s an automatic reaction and therefore an unequivocal possibility; the major downside being these populations are TOO GODDAMN SMALL. As a rule of thumb, 200 is (large mammal, exceedingly long generation time) considered extinction level; 500 can contain all the (actual) diversity necessary but not maintain it long-term)

        – Europe should be OK if she survives …
        1) Malthus will return with a vengeance to bite the Africans in the steatopygoi,
        and it won´t be pretty.
        2) The Kalergi Plan (“the Eurasian-negroid mixed race of the future, with the Jews [as the only unmixed ones – ed.] as their intellectual nobility”).

        Still not sure which is worse 😉

      15. Twinkie says:
        @Anonymous

        Asians have a narrower bell curve? Is that what Dutton indicates for their low quantity of geniuses? Is there any actual evidence of this?

        It’s often asserted by WN types but they never present evidence for it.

        Steven Hsu analyzed PISA data and found that the variance was higher for East Asians than whites. But that’s hardly conclusive, so I would certainly like to see more data one way or the other.

        Until then, it’s one of those things some people assert without evidence, and yet many others uncritically buy into, because it conforms to their priors and is convenient for other theories of theirs.

        • Replies: @Thulean Friend
      16. Thomm says:
        @Thulean Friend

        This sort of bar chart is not meaningful unless functional whites are separated out from wastematter whites. The variance within whites is very high.

        For WN wiggers, they are even more race-obsessed than blacks. They see race in *everything*, and thus have nothing in common with successful, well-adjusted whites. These differences are at the genetic level, and hence there is a defective subrace within the white race.

        • Replies: @Poco
        , @Malla
      17. Welton: Israel, other Middle Eastern countries and Japan were adamant that they weren’t going to take any at all. [Netanyahu Rejects Calls for Israel to Accept Syrian Refugees, by Isabel Kershner, NYT, September 6, 2015]

        Stranger: Welton acts like the flood of 3rd word refugees out of the Middle-East, just dropped out of the sky, and nations have a free choice or either accept or reject that flood.

        When in fact, the flood is planned. George Soros’ network of open-border NGOs exist to coerce nations into providing a dumping ground for all the refugees driven out of the lands earmarked for depopulation by the Zionists, to pave the way for Greater-Israel. That’s all the land between the Nile and the Euphrates.

        And that includes Syria. The Zionists have already depopulated southern Syria (the Golan Heights) and now comes the rest of the country. That’s all the war in Syria is about.

        The purpose of ISIS is to provide an excuse for wars to depopulate Greater-Israel. The flood of refugees that can be directed to Europe, because
        (1) it is handy, and
        (2) as an added bonus: Europe is full of high IQers who pose a threat to Jewish supremacy, and the flood of 3rd-world low-IQers will soon defuse that threat.

        POSTER: GREATER ISRAEL shows map including exodus of refugees to Europe

        • Replies: @Twodees Partain
      18. Anonymous[312] • Disclaimer says:
        @obwandiyag

        ‘Look. Sure, definitely, immigration should be curtailed and controlled’

        You racist!

        We’re all the same!

      19. @Twinkie

        The narrower bell curve hypothesis has been disproven, so it is disappointing to see Dutton not being up-to speed in an area which is arguably right up his wheelhouse. Doesn’t speak well for either his intellectual acumen or, worse, his honesty. My guess is that he was just uninformed about this, but then it is reasonable to ask why we would take the rest of his stuff seriously if he doesn’t know this?

        A more plausible hypothesis I’ve seen is that East Asians are lower than Whites in extroversion/openess to new ideas. Basically what we’d call “curiosity”.

        If you look at East Asians abroad, they tend to be withdrawn and often cluster in their own surroundings. They also don’t seem very political or likely to engage in the society’s political life. Jews, by contrast, are much more extraoverted and highly political. Thus Jewish overperformance could possibly not just be because of higher IQ but also because of a higher willingness to be open to new experiences.

        A historical example would be the fact that China invested miniscule amounts in a big navy for most of its historical existance. It never had the urge to explore the World the way Europeans obviously had, which would gel with “lower curiosity” hypothesis.

        The flipside of curiosity and willingness to break free from the mold is conformity. Conformity, often prized in East Asian countries, is detrimental to experimentation and thus innovation. But conformity have upsides: it is good for social stability. Though this hypothesis does have its pitfalls. Swedes and Germanics in general are highly conformist. Yet Germanics are high-achievers in innovation, which runs counter to the “conformist East Asians underachieve relative to their intelligence in innovation”. Germanics are conformist yet more innovation in per capita terms. So what is going on there?

        Let’s be honest about the fact that we don’t really know yet and that there are many hypothesis to test before we can settle on a satisfactory answer.

        • Agree: iffen
      20. Thank you for using “religiousness” — which, while still somewhat awkward, is far less clumsy-sounding than the weirdly popular “religiosity.”

      21. MarkU says:
        @Godfree Roberts

        Are we sure we know who we are talking about when we say northeast Asians? Perhaps you could be specific about who you are alluding to. When I see the words northeast Asians, I don’t think of the Chinese, I think of the Mongolians and Siberians.

      22. Tom Welsh says:

        “He highlights computer-modelling which has conclusively demonstrated that in the battle of “group selection”—between ethnic groups which are ultimately extended kinship groups and genetic clusters—the more ethnocentric group ultimately triumphs”.

        I respectfully beg to differ. Computer modelling – impressive as it may sound to the uninitiated – cannot “conclusively demonstrate” anything.

        That’s because a computer model of anything complicated enough to need modelling inevitably leaves out some important factors, and exaggerates or understates others.

        The essence of a model is that it abstracts: from the immensely complex and interrelated real world, it selects a tiny handful of factors that can be quantified and thus measured and computed. The output of a computer model can be no better than its inputs, which reflect the judgment of its creators. (This is the well-known GIGO principle: “garbage in, garbage out”).

        If the model’s creators fully understood the domain of the model, they would not need to do any computer modelling. Since they do need to create models, it is obvious that they do not fully understand the domain, and therefore cannot know whether their model reflects it accurately enough to give the results they desire.

        Good examples include the models used by the Club of Rome for their classic report “The Limits to Growth”, published in 1972. https://www.clubofrome.org/report/the-limits-to-growth/

        That first report made some predictions that turned out to be wrong or, at least, exaggerated. (See, for example, http://www.aei.org/publication/40-years-later-time-has-not-been-kind-to-the-limits-to-growth/). It underestimated the effects of innovations such as the “Green Revolution”, leading it to predict starvation on a huge scale that has not happened (yet). Subsequent reports from the Club of Rome have improved their techniques and avoided such huge mistakes.

        More topical right now is “global warming”. The distinguished professor Freeman Dyson had this to say about the computer models used to support the hypothesis of anthropogenic global warming:

        “Syukuro Manabe, right here in Princeton, was the first person who did climate models with enhanced carbon dioxide and they were excellent models. And he used to say very firmly that these models are very good tools for understanding climate, but they are not good tools for predicting climate. I think that’s absolutely right. They are models, but they don’t pretend to be the real world. They are purely fluid dynamics. You can learn a lot from them, but you cannot learn what’s going to happen 10 years from now”.

        – Freeman Dyson, interview with Yale Environment 360 (4/6/2009) http://e360.yale.edu/content/feature.msp?id=2151

        • Agree: MarkU, Parfois1
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      23. Not very convinced due to its ahistoricity. For instance, mid East (pre)Islamic peoples have had harsh environments (how the author got the idea they have nicer conditions for living? From Arabia to Iranian plateau, it’s a rather rough life; then, cousin marriage is relatively new. It wasn’t anything spectacularly different in 1000 or 2000 years ago).

        Why ancient Greece produced a string of geniuses from, say, 800 BC to 300 AD, while the entire mid-East -not?

        Why have Jews, in past 150 years or so, produced so many gifted individuals, if we have in mind their propensity toward cousin marriage & life in not too harsh environments, from Italy to (then) Russian empire/Soviet Union? In-group altruism & nepotism are simply not enough.

        Why have Germans been overphilosophizing everything from, say, 1700 to 1950? Why were English/Scots & “Anglo-Saxons” so dominant in biological/life sciences, genetics etc. from early 19th C to now- and, French & Germans were not? Why were Germans so dominant in the highest musical achievements from 1700 to 1950? Why do Jews dominate violin virtuosi field in past 100-120 years?

        I understand the author tries to explain why some groups “succeed” in some areas, while others do not. But he’s been as successful as Marx, i.e., mostly misfired.

        • Replies: @Wally
      24. An Aussie says:
        @Thulean Friend

        I think we will see more Chinese innovation as time goes on, and this is already evident, but I given past trends, I doubt we’ll ever see total domination simply because East Asians appear to be less innovative for reasons nobody quite understands.

        I read it’s because their superiors are risk averse (not “losing face” is a big thing there), so copying something that already has market penetration and selling it cheaper is chosen vs creating something new and potentially failing.

        • Replies: @Parfois1
      25. KenH says:

        and “negative ethnocentrism”: that you see the outgroup as inferior and are prepared to destroy it.

        Maybe not so much inferior but incompatible, hostile and dangerous to the white Euro ingroup that in all likelihood will warrant a martial solution. The non-whites who are filling up white living space are very inclined and willing to commit violence against whites so we need to be prepared to fight back since we won’t be able to rely on “our” government for any help or protection.

      26. The Race To Fashoda Was About Race — Frogs And Limeys And African Negroids

        The White Race Is Under Attack

        Anti-White Globalizers Are Using Mass Immigration As A Demographic Weapon To Attack And Destroy European Christian Nations.

        It’s OKAY To Be White

        It’s OKAY To Be German

        It’s Okay To Have Anglo-Celtic Ancestry From The American South

        It’s OKAY To Be Descended From Germans Who Settled In Colonial Virginia

        The Globalizers Don’t Like Germans, Southerners or German American Southerners

        The Globalizers Are Cordially Invited To Go Straight To Hell!

        Tweets from 2015:

      27. Steve Sailer asked a good question in 2015 about race differences and differences between individuals of different races.

        Steve Sailer in 2015:

        But I’ve been hearing for 15 years that two individuals of different races are more genetically similar than two individuals of the same race. I’ve read that in comments sections hundreds of times. Could we have been misled?

        Tweet from 2015:

      28. AaronB says:

        They say that when God wants to destroy someone he makes them mad.

        This article contributes to white self destruction – the most amazing thing to me is the way the alt right contributes to the problem in its efforts to solve it.

        White self destruction is caused by materialism – any contribution to materialism, as this article is, deepens the disease.

        Japan and Israel are ethnocentric because they have non-materialistic beliefs.

        But then, God appears to have decided that Western Europeans disappear as a distinct people, and to have decreed that they dissolve into other nations – so He seems to have denied them the one key that might save them. No white seems capable of thinking non-materialistically these days.

        Whites won’t respond to the immigrant flood by becoming ethnocentric – whites will join with those who have a stronger identity than them. Whites do not have a strong identity to rally around and will dissolve into and be absorbed by those who do.

        Ethnocentrism can only rest on a belief in the supernatural – materialism is atomism.

        Already in my Jewish circles I am seeing a tremendous amount of non-Jews converting and marrying into the community – twenty years ago this was not the case.

        And Talha says he is seeing a tremendous amount of white people convert to Islam, more than ever before.

        And an increasing number of whites are moving to Asia and idolizing China – although China is clearly on the same materialist path as the West, just an earlier stage.

        Western Europe will never recover – its culture is based on Greek rationalism, and this is the fate of every culture that is based on Greece – burning bright for a while, then self destructing.

        No culture based on Greeck rationalism and materialism survives long.

        Only cultures based on God. This should be a lesson to the world.

        • Replies: @jeff stryker
        , @iffen
        , @Jake
        , @anon
      29. Republic says:

        Accordingly, Dutton cautiously predicts the collapse of civilization, interethnic warfare, the return of Darwinian conditions—and Europeans becoming more ethnocentric once again.

        In other words, to put it crudely,”the Klan will ride again.”

        • Replies: @Wally
      30. AaronB says:

        I think the most amusing thing is the idea that deracinated Europeans will react to the influx of immigrants by rallying around their own nonexistent identities which they have deliberately dismantled.

        This will be the greatest test for materialism ever – can race, a physical concept, supply a strong group identity all on its own? Or can a group identity only be held together by a belief in unseen factors?

        Will Europeans rally around an identity constructed around a purely materialistic basis – race – or will they dissolve into groups whose identity tests on a supernatural basis?

        I guess we will see.

        I know where my money is.

      31. Anonymous[210] • Disclaimer says:
        @Godfree Roberts

        I agree. I’d like to see some hard data for that “outlier” IQ claim.

        Bottom line is that the Chinese are more numerous, slightly higher in average IQ and, above all, united and cohesive. There’s also a significant difference in how efficiently those IQs are distributed. They have their own high-IQ people in key positions – instead of dullard Jews – and they’re not pouring millions of other dullard shit-hole dwellers into the genetic pool.

        This gap will only get wider and the Tribe knows it. That’s why the globalist (((MSM))) is trying to indoctrinate the goyim to hate China and prepare for war.

      32. CanSpeccy says: • Website

        and Why White Ethnocentrism Will Return

        It’s already back. That’s why they made it illegal.

      33. Poco says:
        @Thomm

        Hey. Stupid fuck. Whites have the least number of people with ethnocentric views and the largest number of people who practice out group altruism, yet it’s that small group which you attack. All groups have these people. If White people frighten you so much be gone from them.

      34. Wally says:
        @Bardon Kaldian

        “Why have Jews, in past 150 years or so, produced so many gifted individuals”

        Except they haven’t.

        Jews merely have other Jews to trumpet and exaggerate their accomplishments.
        They have the microphone and use it to their advantage in promoting themselves.

      35. Wally says:
        @Republic

        said:
        “In other words, to put it crudely,”the Klan will ride again.”

        Not only “crudely”, but stated wrongly, and intentionally so.

        In other words, Europeans will be begin to defend themselves.

        • Replies: @Republic
      36. Will return? Thought the return made a big splash with all the far right parties in Europe?

        Chinese have their identity as a rallying point.

        I have always believed that if European Union can stick together, Europeans will finally have a rallying point to save it self from the retarded religions and the mass engineered migrant waves.

        Eu finally kicked out the turd stick that was Britain, hopefully it will do better as time goes on. The next logical step is to take off the Jewish/American yoke. But that is the hard part. 60 years of propaganda is hard to shake off especially with jewish total media control.

        Good luck to the Europeans, they will need it. Those two chains are almost impossible to break free from if media control isn’t taken back.

      37. Galan says:

        Ridiculous. Have Welton and Dutton completed grade eight education?

      38. AaronB says:

        Thus, argues Dutton, Northeast Asians cannot easily produce scientific geniuses—who will invent things that will allow you to win the battle of group selection—because geniuses tend to combined outlier high IQ plus moderately low

        So a genius is someone who is willing to present offensive findings to society or motivated to work on unconventional problems?

        What would be an “offensive” finding in math lol?

        Chinese don’t produce math geniuses because they are altruistic lol?

        What’s more, Asian scientists are so motivated to appear inventive that they have faked research and lied.

        And China is an altruistic society????? Has the writer gone mad?

        And the Chinese also underperform whites in engineering, btw, not just creativity.

        This whole fantasy HBD narrative has to be thrown out. Just all of it. None of it us based on reality.

      39. Republic says:
        @Wally

        Europeans and US Whites have the same interests. The clan will rise again in the US, likewise in Europe under a different name of course but with the same purpose .

      40. @Thulean Friend

        What about language differences? English being a “rich” language produces originality/curiosity/innovation as opposed to more “ridged” conformist languages.

      41. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:

        I’m not buying it. I don’t think ethnocentrism is different by race. All people by nature are ethnocentric and favor those who look like them over others. Ten thousand years of human evolution taught us to not trust outsiders for our own survival. The West may be more multicultural, but it remains very much segregated by race if you look closer. By and large each ethnic group in the US & Europe sticks with their own, esp. as the group gets larger.

        The easiest place to identify this inborn ethnocentrism is in school children. In my area the Asian population has exploded due to the tech industry. Ten years ago when Asian kids make up 10% of the school population, you see them mix and mingle with the white kids. Today Asian kids make up 50% of the school population, and they self-segregate. At lunch and recess, Chinese kids sit/play with Chinese kids, Indian kids sit/play with Indian kids, white kids sit/play with white kids.

        This is exacerbated by our liberal education, which now tries to segregate each group even further through identity politics and victimhood narrative. Every school in our area now has a “culture night” where kids from different ethnic groups showcase their ethnic culture through posters, food, books, song and dance etc., in effect asking each group to stereotype themselves, if that’s not racism I don’t know what is. The only group missing are the white kids. They have no culture.

        Whites are the least ethnocentric (at least outwardly) because we are being beaten into submission by a vicious left, who control the media, social media and academia, and are ever ready to shout, shame and lynch mob anyone who dare challenge their narrative of “respecting” diversity. But inwardly whites remain highly ethnocentric. You can see this on prom night. In this highly diverse area, white kids still only date white kids, even as they are all woke and denounce racism.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      42. Anon[132] • Disclaimer says:
        @Wally

        Yep. Einstein has been rumored to shamelessly plagiarize the work of others, including his theory of relativity. The term “expert” is just an endearing term that Jews in the media bestow on Jews in academia, law and politics. Most experts are Jews. After Trump was elected, the media whined that it was because people stopped listening to “experts” or started listening to the “wrong” experts, what they meant was people stopped listening to Jews.

        Alan Dershowitz claimed that Jews succeed because of chutzpah, in English that means “shameless dishonesty”. Only Jews have the chutzpah to call themselves experts of anything.

        • Replies: @Twodees Partain
      43. utu says:

        Darwinists just so stories will not cut it. This Dutton character tries to emulate Kevin MacDonald with only half brain power. MacDonald stories are more nuanced and while he toyed with Darwinist selection and gene determinism he did not fall completely into the trap of dumb deterministic Darwinism unlike this Dutton character.

        Software beats hardware every time when run on comparable computers. For example Jewish advantage is Jewish software not Jewish hardware. Even if Jews indeed have slight advantage in computing power (which is debatable) that is associated with the so called IQ scores their population is so small that gentile collective effort should easily match and overcome Jewish efforts to undermine gentiles’ dominance and the European civilization gentiles developed. As long as gentiles’ computers are running proper software, the software that was developed over 2,500 years of Western civilization gentiles have nothing to fear. Unfortunately this software was infected with various bots and viruses that it stalled and gentiles’ computers began to run open ad infinitum loops and were cut off from vital real world data that prevented efficient running of the software so it no longer could respond to the real world challenges. There is no doubt that Jews actively sabotaged our European software to make it impotent when faced with challenges to Western civilization.

        Talking about evolutionary advantages and creating phony categories like, say, low vs. high altruism as if it was hard wired is an example of another virus that prevents breaking out from the loop our software is running waiting energy for nothing. This Dutton character is not a part of the solution but he sabotages any possibility of finding a solution. He either does it on purpose or he is just so dumb that he does not see that he is the useful idiot of our enemies: Tertium non datur.

        • Replies: @AaronB
        , @AaronB
        , @Republic
        , @Art
      44. AaronB says:
        @utu

        But Darwinism is the software developed over 2,500 years in Europe – it is the crown jewel of materialism.

        And the author of this article is running the classic gentile software – no more, no less, and exhibiting the classic bug in the gentile software.

        European software developed its own bugs, materialism and Darwinism. As long as you continue to not identify the bugs, you won’t be able to solve them.

        Talking about a return to 2,500 years of European software without editing out the bugs that began infecting it 500 years ago is disastrous.

        • Replies: @Twodees Partain
      45. AaronB says:
        @utu

        Talking about evolutionary advantages and creating phony categories like, say, low vs. high altruism as if it was hard wired is an example of another virus that prevents breaking out from the loop our software is running waiting energy for nothing. This Dutton character is not a part of the solution but he sabotages any possibility of finding a solution. He either does it on purpose or he is just so dumb that he does not see that he is the useful idiot of our enemies: Tertium non datur

        Ah, I see you sort of made the same point.

        Great comment as a whole, anyways.

      46. Republic says:
        @utu

        This Dutton character tries to emulate Kevin MacDonald with only half brain power

        Dutton had two videos with MacDonald on his own channel. Very good interchange of ideas

      47. The USA will be just another American monkey-child-democracy shithole, similar to Brazil, in the next 10 years where everyone tries to live at the expense of everyone else…And all of Europe will look like Detroit.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      48. Anonymous[210] • Disclaimer says:
        @Anon

        But inwardly whites remain highly ethnocentric. You can see this on prom night. In this highly diverse area, white kids still only date white kids, even as they are all woke and denounce racism.

        True. Online dating preferences confirm that whites (both men and women) prefer their own race by a huge margin despite all the brainwashing.

        Here’s some data.

        • Replies: @FeelTheBern
        , @Hail
        , @Parfois1
      49. The whole modern state of Israel is an exercise in a game of self-fulfilling prophecy(1) by the Rothschild family. They have funded the Zionist movement since Theo Herzl began it in the late 1800s, as a family hobby. Without such funding the movement would never have gotten off the ground.

        The Rothschilds are trying to make this happen —
        Gen 15:18 “Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt [Nile] unto the great river, the river Euphrates:”
        AND
        Deuteronomy 30:3 “the Lord your God..will return and gather you from all the nations, where the Lord your God has scattered you..And the Lord your God will bring you into the land which your fathers possessed, and you shall possess it;”
        REPEATED in
        [[Ezekiel 34:13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.]]

        (BTW all that means: the Rothschilds think they are “the Lord your God”.)

        Their plan is to gather the Jews back to the “Holy Land”, and to expand the “Holy Land” from the Nile river to the Euphrates river(“Greater Israel”].

        So all that land must be depopulated of its present natives, and they all happen to be Arab Muslims. 👉This is where Europe’s 3rd world immigration problem comes from!

        Not all Jews agree with this plan. For example: most American Reform Jews (especially Alan C Brownfeld), and Neturi Karte. But the central planners don’t care.
        ____________
        FOOTNOTES:
        (1) Self-fulfilling prophecy is where people have read the book and know how the story ends, and then do all they can to nudge current events under their control, in order to make today’s story end like the book ends.

        • Replies: @j2
        , @Hippopotamusdrome
      50. Over the years with increased frustration, I’ve tried to understand why so many white males seem so eager and willing to hand over the reigns of power, their females, and the society as a whole to Black and Brown people. I’ve rejected liberal brainwashing and media influence largely because you can only dissuade people from acting in their own self-interests and natural tendencies so much.

        The concept of “spiteful mutants” seems far more plausible.

        • Replies: @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
      51. anarchyst says:
        @Wally

        It’s not “smarts” or “IQ” that gives jews an advantage over gentile whites, but is their rabid insistence on cultural and social cohesiveness, insularity and nepotism (but only for themselves) that gives them an “advantage”. This same cultural and social cohesiveness that is prized so highly by jewish interests is denied to gentile whites. Jews, to a man will fight to deny this same cultural and social cohesiveness to gentile whites that they themselves enjoy as it is a major part of the jewish purpose–the destruction of gentile white culture, which IS superior to any jewish cultural or social society. If jews did not possess this power, they would most likely be rag merchants, liquor merchants, or furniture merchants–nothing more. As I have previously stated, jewish success is based on cultural and social cohesiveness and insularity–NOT “smarts” or “IQ”. Once enough jews get into a position of power in the work world or education systems, they will hire and promote their own, even bypassing more qualified gentile white candidates.
        Jews have latched on to cultural cohesiveness and nepotism, as it serves their purpose exceedingly well.
        Most jews also lack a moral component which tempers evil in every other culture and society. Jews are proud of themselves when they are able to take advantage of others of lesser means—especially those who are not jews. Getting away with murder and other crimes, especially crimes involving money is a critical part of the jewish psyche and is never tempered by guilt.
        At the same time, jews pushed the concept of racial “equality”, (but only for gentile whites), backing it up with “civil-rights” and “equal accommodation” laws which are enforced by governments–but only against whites. These “civil-rights” laws are used as a “battering ram” against gentile whites to diffuse and fragment any semblance of gentile white solidarity and cohesiveness that may arise.
        A great reckoning dealing with the jews is coming. As gentile whites become more marginalized, the accusation of being tagged as “racist” or a “holocaust denier” is rapidly losing its “sting”.
        Increasingly, jews are more wary of being “called out” and recognized as “jews”. One can call a jew a shyster, shylock, bankster, criminal or ne-er-do-well, and it will roll off his back like water off a duck, BUT call a jew a “jew”, and he will recoil in horror, having been “found out”.

        • Agree: Parfois1
        • Replies: @Sam J.
      52. Joe Webb says:

        just read the book. great. brings me up to speed on Sociobiology of the last few years.

        Religiousness is an interesting notion, especially for agnostics like myself. Apparently it denotes a probably genetic disposition toward viewing The World as friendly.

        This is Optimism, which one arguably can bet on as very useful in general.

        A friendly, as opposed to a hostile…world is OK. Darwinism is accused of what was called Social Darwinism…a hostile attitude toward others.

        This is true only when considering ethnocentrism.

        At least, The World, is neither hostile nor particularly friendly. The world just is.

        Your own race can be Friendly, and that is good enough. Unfortunately, as Dutton tells us, Whites are the least ethnocentric of all races. However, under stress…Whites, per Kiipling, while slow to anger, can start to hate when under stress from Others.

        Joe Webb

      53. Lurker says:
        @Godfree Roberts

        Given that Northeast Asians invented almost everything before they encountered us

        Everything?

        • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
      54. Anonymous[210] • Disclaimer says:
        @FeelTheBern

        I don’t think so.

        Non-whites in the US are getting (((indoctrinated))) into trying to genocide their white hosts as soon as the numbers firmly turn in their favour. Same outcome was planned for Europe but we’re lucky that our “guests” are even dumber and more openly hostile so they’re jumping the gun prematurely.

        In any case, there are no Brazil scenarios in our future. We’ll either expel invaders peacefully today or fight them to the death in the future.

      55. @AaronB

        AARON

        Well, judging from levels of prosperity and happiness, perhaps a person would better converting to Judaism than Evangelical Protestantism.

      56. Corvinus says:

        As an aside, I am shocked that someone on the Alt Right has not come up with some sort of “educational series” designed for youngsters to indoctrinate them, I mean teach them proper, about race realism, Jewish machinations, white nationalism, etc. There could be a wide range of activities–-word searches, hidden pictures, coloring (heh!) pictures–-along with words of wisdom from Whitey McWhite, and his sidekick, Geno Cide. As a bonus, there could be a game based on this classic that the lil’ shit lords can procure through three proofs of purchase.

        http://www.historyinanhour.com/2012/07/06/jews-out-board-game

        From now on, we MUST consult with this scientifically proven racial hierarchy chart first created by Europeans. There ought be no complaints since it is entirely accurate. We must ALL recognize our station in life. There is no such thing as egalitarianism, right? That would mean that NOT all white people are on the same plane.

        Top–Aryan-Nordic (Germans)
        Next Tier–Non Aryan-Nordic (British, French, Norwegian)
        Next Tier–Non-Nordic Caucasian (Italian, Greek, Poles)
        Next Tier–Persians, Chinese, Japanese
        Next Tier–Africans, Latinos, Slavic Peoples
        Next Tier–Aboriginals

        Now, of course, there will be a number of fine posters who will protest over this well-established fact. I suppose to make them feel better about themselves they may feel free to use this hierarchy.

        Top–Wealthy WASPs
        Next Tier–Middle Class WASPs
        Next Tier–Poor WASPs
        Next Tier–”Old Immigrants” (but not Irish)
        Next Tier–Irish
        Next Tier–”New Immigrants” (Italian, Greek, Poles)
        Next Tier–Asians, Latin Americans, Native Americans
        Next Tier–African Americans

        • LOL: tamo
      57. “There is a direct correlation between Intelligence and Race to the extent that every level of Intelligence is a Race. The White Moron and Black Moron and Asian Moron are sisters and brothers, precluded, by the criterion of racial membership, from knowing it.”

        You guys belong to the Moron Race.

      58. @Anonymous

        A world-wide poll revealed that men favored asian women…and women favored white men – except for black women who favored black men. Black men favored asian women as did white men.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      59. j2 says:
        @Professional Stranger

        “The whole modern state of Israel is an exercise in a game of self-fulfilling prophecy(1) by the Rothschild family.”

        Almost, but with a small change. It was Rothschild in the 19th century and up to the WWI, but it is not the Rothschild family any more. It is the same group but some other people today, less visible. Maybe their money has always been in a sense tribal money. Because Old Testament stories are the original lessons for gaining power everything must follow prophesies: the old plan is never modified.

        • Replies: @Professional Stranger
      60. Art says:

        and Why White Ethnocentrism Will Return

        Whites do not need some white tribal rejuvenation – we need to return to Christian idealism.

        It is idealism that led to democracy and freedom and the success of the Western mindset. Ideas made us prosper. Those are the things that propelled us forward – not our genetic brain power. The hope for a better future found in the Christian ethos of cooperation – is the driving force of the West.

        There are others with greater brain power, who have achieved far less. The Chinese and the Indians have superior brain power – but they do not use the same words that we use. Our thoughts and words of hope, sacred live, love, truth, forgiveness, and grace – beat their words harmony, hierarchy, and ancestor worship. One set of words lead to the West – the other to societal stagnation.

        Europeans need to return to their idealistic 2,000 year old Christian roots.

        Think Peace — Art

        • Replies: @Anon
      61. Anonymous[210] • Disclaimer says:
        @FeelTheBern

        Where’s your link? My image is sourced – and I’m talking about white men and women.

        • Replies: @Anon
      62. Anon[756] • Disclaimer says:

        Re: lack of innovation among East Asians: too many people! China, Japan and Korea are all overcrowded. Abundance of cheap labor deters automation and hence innovation.

        We’ve also seen this in the west: the antebellum agricultural south (cheap slave labor) vs. the industrial north.

        We are seeing this again today with the agricultural sector. Abundance of cheap illegal slave labor deters automation in agriculture. Abundance of Uber driver is slowing the development of auto driving cars, but if these drivers unionize and become more expensive, self-driving cars will quickly become commonplace.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
        , @Whitewolf
      63. Anonymous[210] • Disclaimer says:
        @Anon

        Automation and machine learning are set to replace 95% of human labour – and replace 95% of human usefulness to the “elite”. What do you think they’ll decide to do in the near future?

      64. @Professional Stranger

        It makes perfect sense when stated simply, as you have done. One thing that the zionists haven’t yet solved is the problem of getting jews to inhabit their proposed expanded “homeland”. That term, BTW, is zionist in origin and the fact that an unconstitutional federal department was created and named “The Department of Homeland Security” is proof of zionist control of the US government.

        • Replies: @Professional Stranger
      65. @Tom Welsh

        Albeit I don’t feel like being as assured of your thesis as you are, your comment is at least thought-provoking, and I could not avoid this comment instead clicking simply Agree or Disagree.

      66. iffen says:
        @Thulean Friend

        but then it is reasonable to ask why we would take the rest of his stuff seriously if he doesn’t know this?

        bada boom bada bing

      67. Anon[164] • Disclaimer says:
        @Art

        Careful what you wish. In its pristine meaning, “idealism” is the current of thought which believes no objective reality either exists or is accessible to our mind…
        I think you are using it in the more popular meaning, as in: a way of living and thinking orientated “skyward”, instead that on earthly concreteness.

        • Replies: @Art
      68. @Anon

        ” After Trump was elected, the media whined that it was because people stopped listening to “experts” or started listening to the “wrong” experts, what they meant was people stopped listening to Jews.”

        Ah, yes, a triple cross. Trump supporters loved the way Trump dissed the “experts”, so they stopped listening to the jews and started listening only to Trump, not knowing that Trump listened only to jews. Screwed no matter where we turn, innit?

      69. iffen says:
        @AaronB

        No white seems capable of thinking non-materialistically these days.

        I’m white and I have a jar of moonbeams and lighting bugs that would permanently blind you if you could see.

        • Replies: @AaronB
      70. You boys are so pathetic. You get everything from cheesy movies starring Saturday Night Live characters. For instance, you think all white women want black men. Because you saw it in a dumb movie.

        That’s stupid. You are such basement-dwelling losers. Get some fresh air once in a whie.

        • Replies: @By-tor
        , @FeelTheBern
      71. Anon[164] • Disclaimer says:
        @Anonymous

        He isn’t wrong (try googling something like “OKCUPID blog dating race preferences” and may your search be lucky).

        However, those results he refers too still confirm every group is ethnocentric, beyond the fact that near-objectively more attractive gender-races (example East-Asian women) may top white men’s preferences. White women still come a close second and are much preferred to women of other races (which in my opinion signals ethnocentrism).

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      72. @AaronB

        “But Darwinism is the software developed over 2,500 years in Europe”

        So….Darwinism predated Darwin by 2,300 years? Who knew? I suppose that post-Darwinism will be referred to as Darwinwasm.

      73. iffen says:
        @Bardon Kaldian

        You’re boring moron.

        Actually, he is a funny moron.

      74. Harbinger says:

        Dutton writes:

        “Multiculturalism is akin to introducing wild animals into a zoo full of domesticated ones. Accordingly, the wild animals will simply out-breed and come to take over the Western country in question. It seems fairly clear that in the early 2000s this is precisely what is happening in Western countries.”

        then states:

        “Accordingly, Dutton cautiously predicts the collapse of civilization, interethnic warfare, the return of Darwinian conditions—and Europeans becoming more ethnocentric once again.”

        In order for the second quote to happen, there actually have to be enough to enforce ethnocentrism and drive out the invading peoples. How on earth would this even be possible when in the first quote the ‘wild animals’ out breed the natives and come to take over?

        I’ve stated this many times over.
        The Islamization of the UK and Europe is inevitable simply through ‘womb jihad’ as many Muslims like to call it. Yes, Dutton is correct, simply through far higher procreation amongst Muslims will they outbreed and thus dominate the indigenous. How for example, did European lands, such as Bosnia and Macedonia become predominantly Muslim populated and religiously Muslim? They weren’t Muslim before were they? Constant invasion, conversion of indigenous to Islam is how the religion proselytized. We are seeing this here in the west.

        The Jew knew, all too well, that all it had to do was open the doors of western nations to immigration, condition the youngest generation of children at schools to accept this and voila, multiculturalism and multiracial societies all promoting religious relativism and mass immigration that’s being welcomed when it’s nothing but national suicide.

        You cannot reverse this.
        Why?
        Well people are missing the blindingly obvious here; while, if any, indigenous do have a fight back, they’ll need complete control of their navy, army and air force in order to stop the daily flow of immigrants from the lands of the peoples they’re fighting in their own. In order to do this they need control of the government, that is a national government which will NEVER come about while Jews remain in charge. They will also not only be fighting the immigrant populations but ALSO their own, left and liberal minded whites, who will be defending the immigrants.
        In order for any fightback and ethnocentric state to exist, all the above, plus wrestling back control of the government, msm and academia has to happen in order to restart society back on its proper path.
        THAT IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN with the continuing propaganda and indoctrination of students at school and university, along with msm brainwashing of the public.

      75. Anonymous[210] • Disclaimer says:
        @atlantis_dweller

        ELE – An Extinction Level Event for humanity.

        That’s what the top Tribe members always yearned for. Be warned.

      76. @Twodees Partain

        Twodees: One thing that the zionists haven’t yet solved is the problem of getting jews to inhabit their proposed expanded “homeland”.

        Stranger: LOL! Yes, it’s a problem for them, a problem Shlomo Sand identified too..
        [[…
        From the perspective of Zionism, this country does not belong to its citizens, but rather to the Jewish people. I recognize one definition of a nation: a group of people that wants to live in sovereignty over itself. But most of the Jews in the world have no desire to live in the State of Israel, even though nothing is preventing them from doing so. Therefore, they[Israel] cannot be seen as a nation.”

        – Prof. Shlomo Sand, Tel Aviv University historian writing in “Matai ve’ech humtza ha’am hayehudi?” (“When and How the Jewish People Was Invented?”). ]]

        • Agree: Twodees Partain
      77. Sam J. says:
        @anarchyst

        “…It’s not “smarts” or “IQ” that gives jews an advantage over gentile whites, but is their rabid insistence on cultural and social cohesiveness, insularity and nepotism (but only for themselves) that gives them an “advantage”. This same cultural and social cohesiveness that is prized so highly by jewish interests is denied to gentile whites…”

        I agree with this and all the rest you wrote. I add a very important point that Jews are some of the most persistent people on earth. This has drawbacks too. It gets them onto trouble eventually as they overstep their parasitical behavior to the point where the goy are enraged but over all it has worked for them.

        I believe this is taught but also genetic. They can’t help it. I would say that this behavior, if they don’t take over the world this time, has become perversely unsuccessful. Before lack of communication meant they could pack up and move somewhere else. They were most likely to move into a different area that was still European where they formed a symbiotic parasitical relationship. Today if they fail, and people are becoming more and more antagonistic towards them every day, they will have no where to go that people already are not well versed in their vile evil ways. Europeans may cast them off for good. We can hope. Other countries not having the same openness will never let them squirm their way into the same power relationship. They will either conquer us all soon or be relegated to the dredges forever.

        • Replies: @anarchyst
      78. AaronB says:
        @iffen

        Like clockwork 🙂

        Criticize materialism, and the dumbest white on unz pops up saying the exact same thing.

        I admire your tenacious defense of your religion 🙂

        Materialism is the true essence of white culture, and the only thing that really gets you worked up. Reiner Tor also gets furious if I criticize materialize.

        • LOL: iffen
      79. @j2

        Stranger
        “The whole modern state of Israel is an exercise in a game of self-fulfilling prophecy(1) by the Rothschild family.”

        J2: Almost, but with a small change. It was Rothschild in the 19th century and up to the WWI, but it is not the Rothschild family any more. It is the same group but some other people today, less visible. Maybe their money has always been in a sense tribal money. Because Old Testament stories are the original lessons for gaining power everything must follow prophesies: the old plan is never modified.

        It has always been a control hierarchy, a control pyramid, with the Rs as the top tier.

        pMoney is what makes it work (“grease makes the world go around”). And here is how the money pyramid works:

        [[The 12 Federal-Reserve banks are all private corporations, so the shareholder list need not be made public, and it is not. Nevertheless, here is such an ownership hierarchy chart someone sleuthed down..
        http://www.land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/federal_reserve.shtml
        1) Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin;
        2) Lazard Brothers Banks of Paris;
        3) Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy;
        4) Warburg Bank of Hamburg and Amsterdam;
        5) Lehman Brothers of New York;
        6) Kuhn, Loeb Bank of New York (Now Shearson American Express);
        7) Goldman, Sachs of New York.
        And they are all Jewish.
        .. Which means first and foremost: the Rothschilds.]]

        Top of the pyramid of control.

        And now back to the topic of Israel. Israel is one of the R’s victim’s too.

        Here is the Rothschild all-seeing-eye Pyramid atop the Israeli Supreme court building they donated to Israel. Same family symbol they put on their Federal Reserve note.jack to Editor

        USA and Israel are both Rothschild-Financial-Empire colonies. USA’s role in the Empire is: leader of the Foreign Legion, while Israel’s role is “house pet”, because of the Jewish connection.

        The Rothschilds own the Central Bank of Israel, and issue the shekel, just as they own Central Bank of America, and issue the Federal-Reserve Note. The state of Israel does not issue shekels, it gets them by pledging interest-bearing bonds as collateral, then borrowing Shekels from the Rothschilds – the same way as the USA and all the other Rothchild-Empire colonies get their currency. This means: Israel is sliding down the black-hole and yoke of national debt, same as all the other Empire’s colonies.

        Israel’s role within the Empire is: their pet colony, like the family dog. The family likes the dog, and the dog likes the family, nevertheless they still had the dog neutered in order to destroy its independence, and the dog doesn’t know it has been neutered.

        Nevertheless, when the Rothschilds order their puppet government in Washington to eat their dog’s shit, Washington eats it. And that’s where Netanyahu and AlPAC’s power comes from. Campaign donations are just a manifestation of that power.

        The Empire can bring economic collapse, and/or war, upon any colony at any time, for disobedience, Israel included.

        The corrupt leaders of Israel want war, for the same reason the corrupt leaders of America want war: BECAUSE THE OWNERS OF ITS CENTRAL-BANK AND CURRENCY, WANT WAR!

        … And the owners of the central bank and currency want war because they are playing a game of self-fulfilling prophecy, with the Tanakh, They think they are God.

        • Agree: Harbinger
        • Replies: @Malla
      80. Hail says: • Website
        @Anonymous

        Asian women’s dating preferences is the biggest outlier in that data.

        It’s really a strange thing, isn’t it, from the theoretical perspective and from this article’s argument’s perspective. East-Asian ethnocentrism is definitely real and well-attested, both down through the centuries by observers of all kinds, and also easily observable in the present, and even found in academic, peer-reviewed studies. East Asian women’s dating preferences in the West does not fit this mold at all, and screams out for explanation. All I can say is, Something pretty negative is going on with westernized East Asian women, psychologically.

        ______________

        From that link, a well-known study:

        Asian women who state a racial preference in male romantic partners (n=468) (Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles, New York):

        – 6%, Prefer same-race men only
        – 40%, Exclude own-race men
        – 54%, Prefer own race and at least one other race (of which, 43% include White men in preferred race of male partner; only ~5% include Blacks, East Indians, and/or Muslims, the latter three likely heavily overlapping)

        vs. White women (n=489) (same cities):

        – 65%, Prefer same-race men only
        – 4%, Exclude own-race men
        – 31%, Prefer own race and at least one other race (of this, the great majority appears to be stated prefer for “White men or Latino men”; only 8% of White women say they would not exclude Blacks, and <5% would not exclude Muslims)

        • Replies: @tamo
      81. Realist says:
        @Godfree Roberts

        Right now they’re ahead in basic STEM research, in math, computer science, materials science and engineering,…

        Not to mention the all important genetic engineering.

      82. Anonymous[210] • Disclaimer says:
        @Anon

        He isn’t wrong

        Yes he is. Again, my image is sourced.

        try googling

        Try viewing an image and following the links. Here, let me help you with a simple introductory sample:

        https://www.amren.com/news/2011/02/whites_prefer_w/

      83. Art says:
        @Anon

        I think you are using it in the more popular meaning, as in: a way of living and thinking orientated “skyward”, instead that on earthly concreteness.

        Yes 100% so – thanks for the c0mment.

        I see an “ideal” as an unattainable goal. We can never always be hopeful, or always support life, or always loving, or truthful, or forgiving, or graceful.

        But if we achieve these things in combination – most of the time – we can have a good life. Done together these ideals act as an engine of progress.

        Art

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      84. Incoh says:
        @Godfree Roberts

        So the Chinese invented radio, cinema, photography, indoor running water plumbing, electric lights, automobiles, computers, and industrial machinery first? Did it all just disappear into smoke when the dirty colonialists entered their shores?
        If they’re so smart, how did they lose every direct shooting war they have ever entered with Western countries?

      85. Art says:
        @utu

        Unfortunately this software was infected with various bots and viruses that it stalled and gentiles’ computers began to run open ad infinitum loops and were cut off from vital real world data that prevented efficient running of the software so it no longer could respond to the real world challenges. There is no doubt that Jews actively sabotaged our European software to make it impotent when faced with challenges to Western civilization.

        “Jews actively sabotaged our European software”

        An excellent analogy – major kudos!

        Jew MSM — garbage in – garbage out!

      86. Anonymous[210] • Disclaimer says:
        @Art

        That’s a great comment.

        … but we’ll also have to kill – a lot.

        … in order to survive.

      87. anarchyst says:
        @Sam J.

        Jewish “persistence” is due to mental illness, spurred by long dormant STDs, introduced to them in their “circumcision” ceremony (actually “male genital mutilation”) by their dirty “mohel” who fellates the infant after “the deed is done”. This ceremonial fellatio infects the infant with STDs such as syphilis that have a very long gestation period that manifests itself as mental illness, long after the jew infant reaches adulthood.

      88. Parfois1 says:
        @An Aussie

        Risk aversion has been postulated as explanation. One example is the fact that China in the 15th century had the potential to start the age of discoveries (they had a large fleet of impressive size junks and traded as far as East Africa) but did not venture further afield. It has been suggested that their junks lacked the manoeuverability to sail in unfamiliar waters besides the fact that their interests (the mission) were purely commercial.

        In my view, those were valid arguments, but not enough to settle the question. Perhaps the explanation resides in the fact that China did not have a Renaissance – in fact at the time it had recoiled unto itself. This introversion may explain why the Chinese did not turn up on the shores of Europe instead of the Portuguese storming the East.

        • Replies: @tamo
      89. Parfois1 says:
        @Wally

        They have the microphone and use it to their advantage in promoting themselves.

        They control much more than the microphone and the loudspeaker. They control the filters and are the gatekeepers for any type of social and scientific advancement, and are also in charge of the purse-strings that rule over everything else based on the false god of Capitalism.

      90. By-tor says:
        @obwandiyag

        Yes, the woke black male driver of a 1989 Pontiac 6000 with oversized shiny rims cruises through to throw out his empty grape soda 40 oz. cup and Popeye’s 5 pc. go-box of chicken bones.

      91. Parfois1 says:
        @Anonymous

        Nothing new there. I remember a study published in the 1980s that social groups/races’s perception of beauty is determined by how closely “beauty” resembles, that is, represents their own image of selves. My understanding is that there is a genetic factor involved here, similar to the gene associated with species recognition.

      92. Parfois1 says:
        @Anonymous

        Very easy. Extermination.

        The logic/mission/goal of Capitalism is profit. If it cannot extract surplus value (profit) from any of the raw materials (resources) then it will be removed from the profit-making machinery like waste subproducts. Labour is simply a resource/commodity in the profit-making process rendered obsolete by automation, therefore the labouring class will disappear (it’s already going on in the old industrial countries).

        There was a prescient movie illustrative of what will happen once human beings become redundant: “Soylent Green” (Charlton Heston?) where people were processed into foodstuff and fertilizer.

        • Replies: @Whitewolf
      93. Jake says:
        @AaronB

        You are wrong about Greece, but you are right that the ‘white problem’ leading to cultural and perhaps racial suicide is religious and spiritual.

        Whites forged and ran Christendom, and then they began rebelling against Christendom. We are at the dawn of the end stage of that rebellion against Christ and Christendom. Any ‘white group’ that does not repent will be scattered eventually, absorbed by others.

        No people in the world are more materialistic than Jews. Jews have the highest % of atheists/agnostics of any ethnic group, and Jews have the highest % of money-worshipers of any ethnic group.

      94. AaronB says:
        @Jake

        Yes, but even atheist and money worshiping Jews tend to have residual mystical and supernatural beliefs of some kind, a leftover from religion. Even belief in the Jewish people is a mystical belief.

        That being said, many Jews are assimilating and also losing their drive, as materialism gains ground with them.

        But there is a large and growing religious core which in its spiritual beliefs is entirely non-materialistic, and Israeli society is increasingly religious, and even secular Israelis have supernatural beliefs – the kind of hard materialism characteristic of Western whites is rare there.

        My personal sense is that Western whites are finished. They will not repent. The Western branch of Christianity seems to have lost its mystical side and made certain fatal mistakes at an early date, perhaps the 11th century – and I say this as someone who finds Catholicism in many ways very sympathetic.

        The few Western whites who are trying to revive religion, like Bruce Charlton, seem unable to escape the maze of modernity, and merely reproduce all the characteristic errors of modernity.

        The best and most spiritually inclined Western whites will join other groups with a stronger spiritual identity, and the rest will be absorbed in some other way.

        Eastern Europeans, and the Ordthodix tradition, which is explicitly mystical, seems much stronger and will survive.

        In the ancient world, Greece rationalism had a short shelf life. Egypt lasted for millennia, Greece for a handful of years. It does not seem a coincidence to me that the rediscovery if Greek ideas in northern Europe led a few centuries later to a new Hellenistic Age.

        • Replies: @awry
      95. Whitewolf says:
        @Anon

        Do we need to call “psychopaths”, or other analogue names, people who don’t satisfy the higher-ups appetite for obedience and flattery, and arouse envy in the others because they have a defined self?

        If anyone has an appetite for flattery and obedience it’s psychopaths.

      96. Whitewolf says:
        @Parfois1

        Labour is simply a resource/commodity in the profit-making process rendered obsolete by automation, therefore the labouring class will disappear (it’s already going on in the old industrial countries).

        You paid attention during Marxism 101 I see. Labour is people not just some statistic in a childish economic model. People who work AND consume the products and services of the profit making process. They are about as obsolete by automation as paper is in the digital age. Most of our manufactured goods comes from China these days and employs a truly massive workforce. I don’t see automation in Western countries competing too well against them.

      97. tamo says:
        @Thulean Friend

        You are talking a lot of shit here. The Western domination only began with the coming of the Industrial Revolution. From the ancient times to the Industrial Revolution, along with India, China had the biggest economy in the world and was far ahead of Europe EVEN in TECHNOLOGY. I’m going to list some of many Chinese inventions and ideas that were transmitted to the backward Europe through direct, indirect, stimulus diffusion before the Industrial Revolution (some of the Chinese technologies were even transmitted at the late stage of the Industrial Revolution).

        China invented compass, rudder, leeboard, centerboard, multi-mast and also watertight compartments (Europe didn’t use for their ships until the late 18th century). Without adopting all these Chinese inventions, the European voyages of discovery wouldn’t have been possible.

        Also China invented not only paper but also printing (both woodblock and movable type about 400 years before Gutenberg who had been very likely influenced by the movable type developments in China and Korea beforehand, developed one). Without assimilating these Chinese inventions, the SPREAD of Renaissance would have been extremely difficult.

        China invented not only gunpowder but also gun, cannon, rocket including multi-stage ones, both land and sea mines, bomb, even hand grenade. All these Chinese military technologies were transmitted to Europe by direct or indirect diffusion . Can you imagine the modern military without these Chinese inventions?

        Also China invented blast furnace, coking coal, so called- Bessemer Steel Process, Siemens’ Steel process, weaving machine( the British weaving machine was based on Italian design that in turn was based on original Chinese model. So in other words, the design of Chinese silk weaving machine was first transmitted to Italy in the 13th century and later to Britain by the way of Italy but British modified the machine for the production of cotton fabrics ), drilling techniques for oil and natural gas ( China drilled for natural gas and transferred it through pipelines for heating and lighting starting in the 4th century BC, on the other hand Europe didn’t use natural gas until the 19th century but again Britain was the first country in Europe to use natural gas in 1798).
        All these Chinese inventions were transmitted to Europe by direct or indirect or stimulus diffusion. Without using all these Chinese inventions, the Industrial Revolution wouldn’t have been possible.

        Even in agriculture, the backward Europe got modern horse collar, moldboard cast iron plow, rotary winnowing fan, MULTI -seed drill technologies and the techniques of row cultivation of crops and intense hoeing by horse-drawn hoes from China( with the exception of the horse collar which Europe adopted in the 8th century, the rest of the Chinese agricultural technologies were adopted by Europe only in the 18th century). This really shows how backward Europe was at the time. By adopting all these Chinese technologies, Britain could bring about an agricultural revolution in the 18th century These are just some of the ground- breaking Chinese inventions and ideas that were transmitted to Europe before the Industrial Revolution. According to Robert Temple, a well-respected sinologist, more than half of the inventions that laid the foundations for the modern world BEFORE The Industrial Revolution, came from China . But there is a good chance China will be the biggest economy by 2026 and overtake America in technology in 2030 and become the most powerful country AGAIN by 2040.

      98. tamo says:
        @Hail

        You would find, by and large, most of white man-Asian woman combinations are composed of BELOW AVERAGE – LOOKING white SISSIES whom no decent looking white women want to date and very UGLY Asian women whom no decent looking Asian men
        also want. On the other hand, I see a lot of good looking white women who are sick and tired of effeminate emasculated fat and smelly white guys, going for BBC. So in my opinion, all these sissy white boys should worry about their good-looking women going after BBC. instead of feeling good about getting all the HOMELY Asian women, LOL !!! Bottom line is that most Asian women ended up marrying Asian men.

        • Replies: @Hail
      99. tamo says:
        @Poco

        Hey dumb MF, stupid whites are in the process of committing their own racial suicide. Who in the right mind, is afraid of such moronic people? LOL !!!~

      100. Whitewolf says:
        @Anon

        Abundance of Uber driver is slowing the development of auto driving cars, but if these drivers unionize and become more expensive, self-driving cars will quickly become commonplace.

        I’ll be happy to pay whatever extra the uber drivers or taxi drivers ask for rather than set foot in a driverless car. I’ve worked both as a professional driver and as a computer programmer. The scenarios that cause accidents are always going to cause dramas for AI. The ability to look at the flow of traffic and surrounding people and infrastructure and make correct predictions about future traffic flow and spot dangers early is simply beyond AI. It might not make many stupid errors but won’t react quick enough to errors by other drivers whereas an experienced driver can often spot the potential danger much earlier. You also have to worry about the state of the road. Is a driverless car going to spot an oil or diesel spill on a road on a wet day for example? Is it going to predict that other drivers will be swerving around the slippery spot?

      101. Parfois1 says:

        Actually it was Political Economy, not taught nowadays, featuring Adam Smith, David Ricardo et al down to Marx, the latter’s work the most thorough study of capital; so much so that the capitalists learn their “science” from him!

        That “science” is the greatest scam ever invented for legalized robbery and the bane of humanity, especially now when the flag-bearers of that evil are the usurious tribe. The old industrial capitalists at least had some moral principles and even indulged in some self-interested philanthropy because there was something in common between the exploiter and the exploited, such as race and religion, sometimes feelings of loyalty and community sharing.

        The modern variety of capitalism is the voracious sort based on the subservience of the masses to financial legerdemain alchemistry making gold out of nothing. Its perpetrators are not the local baron or nouveau riche bourgeois entrepreneur but the invisible hand of the cabalistic tribe hidden behind the all-perfect god The Market. The old capitalist extracted profits from having workers making something of value while the modern ones care not a hoot about making anything; they extract their profits from making nothing. It’s much easier just to collect interest or service charges for those things humans need to survive in modern urban societies: shelter, food, water, power, communications, transport, health, education, etc. and one is in hock for life like a slave.

      102. tamo says:
        @Parfois1

        You are talking about Zheng He’s seven voyages which were made from 1405 to 1433. Each voyage consisted of about 200 huge ships equipped with cannons and about 30,000 people that included sailors, soldiers, scholars, technicians, medical doctors, diplomats. Also the ships carried horses for accompanying cavalry troops. On the fifth and sixth expeditions , some of Zheng He’s ships went to East Africa. One of those voyages was a high sea one crossing Indian Ocean from Ache in northern Sumatra to Mogadishu in present-day Somalia without hugging coast lines. At the time, Ming China had no intention of conquering any lands they visited although they helped existing rulers to put down rebellions in Sri Lanka and some other places. The main purpose of their expeditions was showing the flag and trade. But these voyages were a huge financial burden to the Ming government and at the same time Ming dynasty faced resurgent Mongol threat in the north so that China stopped the voyages and concentrated building very expensive northern defense against the Mongols. At this time period, China was richer and technologically more advanced than Europe. It was the Europeans who were very eager to trade with richer and more advanced China than vise versa ( Europe really didn’t have anything of value to trade with China). You must remember that Columbus discovered the Americas by accident when he tried to find a non-Moslem dominated route to rich and advanced China. The notion that Chinese are risk-averse is pure bullshit. The first humans who crossed the Bering Strait and came to America about 16,000 years ago were Chinese from northeast China and Siberians. Now there are more than a million Chinese all over Africa ( some of these places are very dangerous but Chinese are there as shop keepers, construction workers, engineers, etc. these places are where no white people want to go). The Chinese junk ships were huge but very maneuverable. The British naval historian Herbert Warington Smyth considered the junk as one of the most efficient ship designs, stating that “As an engine for carrying man and his commerce upon the high and stormy seas as well as on the vast inland waterways, it is doubtful if any class of vessel is more suited or better adapted to its purpose than the Chinese junk and it is certain that for flatness of sail and handiness, the Chinese rig is unsurpassed”.

      103. @Poco

        Its a habit thumb from India just cant let go. Hes furious nobody in murica gives two hoots about his high caste lineage and the supposed high incomes of Hindu Americans

      104. Hail says: • Website
        @tamo

        very UGLY Asian women whom no decent looking Asian men also want

        40% of the East Asian female population age 18 to 39 (or whatever the age-range of the study was) in large metropolitan areas of the USA cannot be said to be “very ugly.”

        There must be a sociological explanation here. Heavy cultural westernization would appear to have a uniquely negative effect, psychologically, on Asian women.

        It is a cultural tragedy, to be sure.

        • Replies: @tamo
      105. awry says:
        @AaronB

        Oh, that Rabbinic contempt of “Hellenism” shows in your rant. Yeah it is a big inconvenient issue for the Jews that i.e. Herodotus saw nothing of their supposed glory when he visited Palestine (they tried to attribute this fact to Herodotus’ “anti-semitism” and “jealousy”, no kidding). Neither did Alexander meet with any Jews when he led his army through the area. Much of the Biblical story of the Jewish people is a fabrication by scribes hundreds of years later, a retconning of history. David and Solomon, the kingdoms of Judah and Israel – all of these are most likely completely ficitious.

        • Replies: @utu
      106. tamo says:
        @Hail

        I stand by what I said. In white man-Asian woman parings, most couples are ugly. It has nothing to do with culture. But it has everything to do with looks.

        • Replies: @Corvinus
        , @GX2
      107. @Anonymous

        Exterminate everyone with an IQ less than 100 🙂

        • Troll: utu
      108. Corvinus says:
        @tamo

        “In white man-Asian woman parings, most couples are ugly.”

        That simply is not accurate.

        • Replies: @tamo
      109. @obwandiyag

        The government-controlled Mockingbird Mainstream Media has screwed up every english-speaking retard over the last 50 years. Cheesy? Don’t you mean Psychotically Stupid/Infantile/Vapid?

        • Replies: @obwandiyag
      110. tamo says:
        @Corvinus

        Yes, they are accurate. In white man-Asian woman parings, even though some pairs are decent-looking, most couples are ugly. On the other hand, a lot of good-looking white girls are crazy about BBCs.

        • Replies: @Corvinus
        , @anon
      111. @MalePaleStale

        It’s because deep down white people (actually white liberals) know that they are the superior race and it makes them feel guilty.

        I do not believe white conservatives think this way – as they can respect the conservative beliefs of other cultures.

        But white liberals do this to quench their guilt and feelings of superiority.

      112. @FeelTheBern

        Point well taken. I defer to your evident expertise.

        • Replies: @FeelTheBern
      113. Corvinus says:
        @tamo

        “Yes, they are accurate. In white man-Asian woman parings, even though some pairs are decent-looking, most couples are ugly.”

        Pro tip –> Doubling down on stupidity ain’t no way to live. The fact is that these grouping is no worse than average.

        “On the other hand, a lot of good-looking white girls are crazy about BBCs.”

        Some. In the end, it comes down to personal opinion about interracial couples. If you favor them, great. If you oppose them, fine.

        • Replies: @tamo
      114. tamo says:
        @Corvinus

        Hey dumb shit, you are the one with your pinhead buried in the sand. This is a real pro-tip for a stupid a–hole like you.

        • Replies: @Corvinus
      115. Corvinus says:
        @tamo

        “Hey dumb shit, you are the one with your pinhead buried in the sand. This is a real pro-tip for a stupid a–hole like you.”

        Now you are projecting. And, on top of it all, you got triggered. Are you a glutton to embarrass yourself further?

      116. tamo says:

        Doo she, you are the one who started the name calling. Go back and read your comment #119 . Hey boy,up to that moment, I was civil to you. So you can dish out but can not take it. What a lame-brained MF, lol !!!

      117. Peredur says:

        I find it tedious to read and listen to Edward Dutton. There is not a single observable fact about race and, in particular, the white race, that he cannot “explain” with his theories, but that does that mean that his theories are right or useful. He dismisses conspiratorial explanations for why whites are less ethnocentric and demographically declining and then takes it a step further by “explaining” why some people (irrationally, he assumes) see indications of conspiracies. See, he can “explain” everything. According to him, whites are genetically predisposed to be less ethnocentric, so we might as well not even try to promote white ethnocentrism by direct appeals. Instead, he prefers the roundabout method of promoting Christianity, which just happens to be what he spent years of his life studying in college. How convenient.

      118. @Parfois1

        Superb comment. The things one can learn and the insight gained is deep in some of the comments here at the UR. So different from say (((breitbart))) which is like a mindless echo chamber directed from tel aviv, although Im seeing some rebels there as well

        The real question now is, how do we “mainstream” these things?? And by that I mean a critical mass. Not 100%. Lets say 30%. If this has to become mainstream, it has to be said and debated at a lot of coffee shop table tops, if not over every bar stool

      119. utu says:
        @awry

        They do not forget and do not forgive Greek civilizational superiority. And vice versa. Greeks together with Persians are the two nations who have the longest memory of Jews and their shenanigans going back to antiquity.

        • Replies: @AaronB
      120. AaronB says:
        @utu

        He who the Gods wish to destroy, they first drive mad.

        • Replies: @utu
      121. @Thulean Friend

        Every study I’ve seen shows that east Asians have higher openness to experience and lower conscientiousness than whites. Everyone just assumes that east Asians have low openness and high conscientiousness, but as far as I can tell it isn’t true.

        Meanwhile, black people have higher conscientiousness than whites or east Asians. Again, people assume that blacks have lower conscientiousness, but the studies I’ve seen show the opposite.

        From this I conclude that conscientiousness isn’t as important as many people think. It’s very popular nowadays (Duckworth’s grit and all that), but conscientiousness in the grand scheme of things really isn’t very useful.

        • Replies: @j2
      122. utu says:
        @AaronB

        Whom the gods love die young.

        • Replies: @AaronB
      123. AaronB says:
        @utu

        Then European civilization is certainly beloved by the Gods.

        RIP.

        • Replies: @anon
      124. j2 says:
        @President Barbicane

        Do you mean those studies with a Big Five questionnaire given to people from many countries where test people self-evaluated themselves? Those particular studies gave results that rose some questions, like are Norwegians indeed the most extroverted people on the earth, or could it be that self-estimation is not quite correct.

      125. Moses says:
        @Godfree Roberts

        If Chinese are smart, why haven’t they invented anything in 500 years?

        Everything they do copies the West. Their students all want to go to Western universities. Chinese immigrate to the West by the millions. Europeans do not immigrate to China.

        I’ve lived in Asia for years. They are smart and orderly, yes.

        But their creativity and curiosity mean is way to the left of Europeans.

        • Replies: @tamo
        , @tamo
      126. tamo says:
        @Moses

        Before the Industrial Revolution, Europe was basically a copying and adaptive culture. The Greek civilization was NOT an ORIGINAL civilization like the Chinese civilization. As a matter of fact the ancient Greeks were the BIGGEST COPYCATS in the ancient world.

        The Greek civilization was heavily influenced by both Egyptian and Mesopotamian civilizations ( Greek myths and religion had their roots in various Mesopotamian and Egyptian beliefs).. The Greek architecture was adopted from Egypt. Also ancient Greeks extensively borrowed from Babylonians ( the ancestors of the present day Arabs) for it’s astronomy, mathematics, philosophy, medicine,etc.

        For example, such Greek astronomers and mathematicians as Hipparchus. Ptolemy were greatly influenced by previous Babylonian studies. The Babylonian text, Dialogue of Pessimism contains similarities to the agnostic thought of the Greek sophists, the Heraclitean doctrine of contrasts, and the dialogs of Plato, as well as a precursor to maieutic Socratic method of Socrates. Also Milesian philosopher Thales studied philosophy. Even Greek alphabet was based on the non- European semitic Phoenician alphabet. How about later Greek conversion to Christianity which was originated among non-European semitic people— Jews?.

        As you can see, the Greeks were the biggest copycats in the ancient world. On the other hand, the ancient Chinese developed their astronomy, mathematics, philosophy, medicine, architecture ON THEIR OWN WITHOUT BORROWING from OUTSIDERS. During this ancient time period, there were a lot of ORIGINAL Chinese thinkers such as Confucius, Laozi, Mozi, Zhangzi, Mencius, Sun Tsu, etc in China whose thoughts were at least as great as those of any Greek thinkers.

        But in TECHNOLOGY, ancient Chinese were far ahead of Greeks or Romans. This Chinese technological superiority over Europe lasted until the coming of the Industrial Revolution.
        I want to say something before I go any further. Anybody who is interested in pre-modern Chinese science and technology, should read monumental masterpiece SCIENCE AND CIVILIZATION IN CHINA by Joseph Needham which was picked as one of the 100 best English language non-fictions of the 20th century by Random House.

        For your information, the Western domination ONLY began with the coming of the Industrial Revolution. From the ancient times to the Industrial Revolution, along with India, China had the biggest economy in the world and was far ahead of Europe EVEN in TECHNOLOGY.

        I’m going to list VERY FEW of many Chinese inventions and ideas that were transmitted to the backward Europe through direct or indirect or stimulus diffusion before the Industrial Revolution (some of the Chinese technologies were even transmitted at the late stage of the first Industrial Revolution) and revolutionize the backward Europe.

        China invented compass, rudder, leeboard, centerboard, multi-mast( ships with more than 3 masts
        without using oars) and also watertight compartments (Europe didn’t use for their ships until the late 18th century). Without adopting all these Chinese inventions, the European voyages of discovery and later -day high sea sailings wouldn’t have been possible.

        Also China invented not only paper but also printing (both woodblock and movable type about 400 years before Gutenberg who had been very likely influenced by the movable type developments in China and Korea beforehand, developed one). Without assimilating these Chinese inventions, the SPREAD of Renaissance would have been extremely difficult.

        China invented not only gunpowder but also gun, cannon, rocket including multi-stage ones, both land and sea mines, bomb, even hand grenade. All these Chinese military technologies were transmitted to Europe by direct or indirect diffusion . Can you imagine the modern military without these Chinese inventions?

        Also China invented blast furnace, cast iron,coking coal and so- called Bessemer Steel Process, Siemens’ Steel process, weaving machines (the British weaving machines such as spinning jenny , flying shuttle were inferior copies of existing Chinese weaving machines), drilling techniques for oil and natural gas ( China drilled for natural gas and transferred it through pipelines for heating and lighting starting in the 4th century BC, on the other hand Europe didn’t use natural gas until the 19th century but again Britain was the first country in Europe to use natural gas in 1798 and Europeans and Americans finally got the deep -drilling technologies for oil and gas from China in the 19th century).

        All these Chinese inventions were transmitted to Europe. So without using all these Chinese inventions, the Industrial Revolution wouldn’t have been possible.

        Even in agriculture, the backward Europe got modern horse collar, moldboard cast iron plow, rotary winnowing fan, MULTI -seed drill technologies and the techniques of row cultivation of crops and intense hoeing by horse-drawn hoes from China( with the exception of the horse collar which Europe adopted in the 8th century, the rest of the Chinese agricultural technologies were adopted by Europe only in the 18th century).

        This really shows how backward Europe was at the time. By adopting all these Chinese technologies, Britain could bring about an agricultural revolution in the 18th century These are just some of the ground- breaking Chinese inventions and ideas that were transmitted to Europe before the Industrial Revolution. According to Robert Temple, a well-respected sinologist, more than half of the inventions that laid the foundations for the modern world BEFORE The Industrial Revolution, came from China .

        Now I think there is a good chance China will be the biggest economy by 2026 and overtake America in technology by 2030 and become the most powerful country AGAIN by 2040.

      127. tamo says:
        @Moses

        For your information, America is the granddaddy of industrial espionage and counterfeiting. When America was a developing country in the 19th and early 20th centuries, An America that lacked both creativity and originality, was the biggest thieving- copycat in the world. Consequently, the U.S. became the counterfeit capital of the world. America copied other countries’ inventions, ideas without regard to patents, copyright, trademarks.

        Even the U.S. Treasury Department under Alexander Hamilton set up a bounty system for rewarding anybody for stealing and bringing foreign technologies to America. As a matter of fact, the 19th century American textile industry was basically based on stolen British technologies.

        Also Americans were infamous for illegally copying Charles Dickens’ novels or manufacturing inferior hats in New York and then slapping made-in Paris labels on them and had a very bad reputation for making unsafe and gross food products (For example, American meat packers used extremely harmful TB -infected pork to make sausages).

        You can find all this information and more by reading Aug 26, 2007 Boston Globe article named A NATION OF OUTLAWS A CENTURY AGO, THAT WASN’T CHINA—– IT WAS US and also a Dec 5, 2012 Foreign Policy article titled WE WERE PIRATES, TOO.

        Every developed country went through copying stage before it became innovative. Germans copied from British. Americans stole and copied from Europe (Even in the early 20th century, American car makers were busy reverse-engineering more advanced European cars) and Japan stole and copied from both Europe and America. China is no exception to the rule. Also before the Industrial Revolution the technologically backward Europeans directly or indirectly copied a lot of things from China and Islamic civilization

        • Replies: @anon
      128. @Jake

        Whites forged and ran Christendom, and then they began rebelling against Christendom. We are at the dawn of the end stage of that rebellion against Christ and Christendom.

        “(T)hey” meaning Protestants.

      129. GX2 says:
        @tamo

        You can stand by what you say and double down on stupid but the only black men are those who are usally very well to do as the studies provide such as Michael Johnson. It is not a relationship based on some bizarre racial fetish fantasy that you jack your little pinky to. If there was a high achieving socialable charming white man and an equivalent high achieving socialable charming black man she would go for the white man 99% of the time. When there is a choice for whatever reason in a white womens mind the answer is ‘white is always right’.
        The data across so many studies over and over demonstrate this so stop worrying about a few white women going with black men or vice versa. The couples you see are usually high profile rappers or athletes. You have to be a part of the 0.1% of black men to have a chance with good white women.

        Another thing to remember is that your perception of them getting good looking white women while white men don’t get good looking asian women(which is false and I can even show you a few pics to prove, even then hapa women tend to go white and they are praised as the best looking in asian communities) is because white women when they aren’t obese on average tend to be the most beautiful race while asian women tend to be only decent even the most ‘gorgeous’ ones. They have to have surgery that makes them look more western to achieve features that many white women are already blessed with. So on average if you see somenone of any race dating a white woman you are going to think they are a good catch for the guy.

        Hope this clears things up.

        • Replies: @anon
        , @tamo
      130. So once again Nietzsche and Spengler triumph.

      131. anon[255] • Disclaimer says:
        @GX2

        He’s just an uppity Oriental who wants to live through Kunta the Kinte. Yapping about Subsaharan Genitalia (even though credible research shows that White men have taller penises than Oriental men and about tie with Black men so it doesn’t help him either).

        • Replies: @Malla
      132. @Tomorrow We Live

        intellectual/technological stagnation/circularity that characterised Europe for most of its history

        Wat?

      133. @Professional Stranger

        Feel compassion for the plight of the average Jew. It’s G-d’s will and their destiny that they should have to live in the Middle East, in the middle of all the friendly Arabs, in a biome that contains placenames like “Dead Sea”. Even someone like Hitler wanted to give them Madagascar.

      134. anon[255] • Disclaimer says:
        @AaronB

        No faster than your beloved Jews, considering how many Ashkenazi are mixing themselves away combined with birth levels.

      135. anon[255] • Disclaimer says:
        @tamo

        Just We Wuz Kangz babble.

        Europe was already economically competitive (at worst) with China in the 1400s

        https://archive.fo/n9pvD

        Arab and Muslim accomplishment is exaggerated:

        https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Arab_Transmission_of_the_Classics

        Next you’ll start praising Muslim Spain as a multicultural paradise and other babble from Jews/Lefties.

        • LOL: tamo
        • Replies: @anon
        , @Hippopotamusdrome
      136. @Lurker

        Everything?

        China invented everything
        Gunpowder?
        Everything!
        The first dollar bill?
        Everything!
        Coke as fuel?
        Everything!
        The first recorded will?
        Everything!
        Everything before you

        You name a European technology, China invented it a couple hundred years before. A single paragraph in an old Chinese history book tells us so.

        It’s all in wikipedia:
        List of Chinese inventions

        Unfortunately, the guy who collated the list got high* half way through and came up with this:

        Puppet theater, waterwheel-powered: … plays with artificial fish…, in 206 BC, … an entire mechanical orchestra of 1 m …tall puppets dressed in silk and playing mouth organs, all powered by pulling ropes and blowing into tubes…mechanical puppets performed tricks, such as singing girls who played music and danced, other puppets who would beat drums and sound flutes when one puppet entered the scene, puppets dancing on balls, throwing swords, hanging upside down on rope ladders, etc…puppets dressed as laborers did jobs of pounding and grinding …while others watched cockfighting,…

        I wonder if the song played was “it’s a small world”. 2,000 years before Disneyland!

        * Oh, yeah, China discovered Cannabis and made the first bong. Ancient manuscripts recently discovered in the basement of a Bhuddist temple contain the first recorded exhortation to not drink the bong water.

      137. tamo says:
        @GX2

        Hey not-so-smart white boy with a tiny weapon, I bet Yao Ming’s sausage is even taller than you, LOL !!!! I know for sure now it really bothers your fragile ego that a lot of white women go for the black guys who are NOT particularly famous or wealthy. Maybe you should worry about your own mother or wife or sister lusting for BBCs. For your information, I really don’t give a f–k about either whites or blacks. I think they deserve each other.

        On white man-Asian woman parings, all you have to do is just watch white man-Asian woman couples on the street. If you are honest with yourself , you will come to the conclusion that BY AND LARGE, these WM-AW couples are physically rather UNATTRACTIVE.

        Most of these couples are made of BELOW AVERAGE LOOKING sissy white guys whom no decent looking white women would go out with and equally UNAPPEALING Asian women whom any decent looking Asian men would NOT date. Of course, there are some EXCEPTIONS and so once in awhile you will find good looking WM-AW couples. But they are FEW and FAR BETWEEN. So if I see a decent looking WM-AW couple, then I also see five or six UNATTRACTIVE WM-AW couples.

        What’s so great about white women? A majority of white women are grossly overweight and have FOUL BODY ODOR ( their obnoxious BO is specially noticeable among East Asians in summertime in Seoul or Tokyo, for that matter, white men too and blacks are even worse) and these charming smelly fat white women have a lot of body hair and some white women even have a mustache, LOL !!! As a matter of fact, most of these white women look like unattended smelly HUGE beer kegs.

        Yes, it’s true that some East Asian women have surgeries to make their eyes look western. But those days are fast disappearing. As East Asian countries have got wealthier and more powerful, confident about themselves, younger East Asians are far less impressed with the western looks and are very proud of their almond eyes. One exception is hair coloring. Some East Asian youngsters dye their hair blonde. But white people are not the only ones who have blonde hair. So when you consider also Australian aborigines or some monkeys have blonde hair, it’s no big a deal.

        You seem to be a little delusional white prick who lives in his poor mom’s trailer, can not even find a ugly smelly white girl to go out with. Well , then you might try some ugly BLACK girls ( words of caution, they might say NO, LOL !!!!)

        • Replies: @anon
      138. anon[345] • Disclaimer says:
        @tamo

        You’re obviously a resentful expat or descended from expats. Hence your praise for Negroids and their genitalia (which are about the same as Whites in size and apparently bigger than your kind’s, but I assume you watch too much porn and listen to too much degenerate music to know better).

        Not sure how you square your babble with actual peer reviewed evidence on mate quality (that is, plenty of interracial pairings are between decent quality samples while plenty of Negroid men are with lower quality White women).

        • Replies: @anon
        , @tamo
        , @tamo
      139. anon[345] • Disclaimer says:
        @anon

        And the We Wuzzer can’t address the research. Of course.

      140. anon[884] • Disclaimer says:
        @anon

        [MORE]
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      141. @Godfree Roberts

        Northeast Asians invented almost everything before they encountered us

        Like gunpowder and cannons?

        In Europe, the introduction of cannons made castles obsolete and a new kind of fortification, the Star Fort appeared which could withstand cannon bombardment. The first star forts were in Northern Italy, and Europe is full of star forts. The Statue of Immigration in New York is on a star fort. The presence of star forts in Europe is evidence of the widespread use of cannons there. The absence of star forts in China is evidence of the lack of widespread use of cannons there.

        Here is wikipedia’s list of star forts, countries starting with the letter C:

        2 Canada
        3 Croatia
        4 Cyprus
        5 Czech Republic

        No star forts in China.

        This interactive map of the worlds star forts shows only one star fort in China, Monte Fort in Macau, which was a Portuguese colony. As an aside, the Portuguese were never “driven out” of Macau. Leftists took over Portugal and and they gave it back to China in 1999 because anti-colonialism.

        On the subject of Chinese fortifications, here is an excerpt on the Fortifications of Xi’an. They just newly installed crenels in the late year of 1781. Crenels are the parts that stick up over the castle wall for archers to hide behind. Actually the gaps. Very hi-tech.

        The wall was initially built solely from tamped earth. … During the reign of Qianlong of the Qing Dynasty (1781), the wall was enlarged; drainage features, crenels and other modifications were made; and the structure as it is now seen came into existence.

        • Replies: @tamo
      142. anon[884] • Disclaimer says:
        @anon

        Last one.

      143. @tamo

        Junks couldn’t sail as close to the wind and would be at a disadvantage in the open ocean. When they followed the seasonal cycle of the monsoons on the Indian Ocean, this was not a disadvantage as it would not be necessary to sail close to the wind if they timed their voyages right to go with the prevailing wind.

        • Replies: @tamo
      144. tamo says:
        @Hippopotamusdrome

        The British naval historian Herbert Warington Smyth considered the junk as one of the most efficient ship designs, stating that “As an engine for carrying man and his commerce upon the high and stormy seas as well as on the vast inland waterways, it is doubtful if any class of vessel is more suited or better adapted to its purpose than the Chinese junk and it is certain that for flatness of sail and handiness, the Chinese rig is unsurpassed”.

      145. @anon

        AN INQUIRY INTO THE NATURE AND CAUSES OF THE WEALTH OF NATIONS.By Adam Smith

        The poverty of the lower ranks of people in China far surpasses that of the most beggarly nations in Europe. … The subsistence which they find there is so scanty, that they are eager to fish up the nastiest garbage thrown overboard from any European ship

        • Replies: @tamo
      146. tamo says:
        @anon

        I take so called scientific research findings with a grain of salt because any agenda driven- researchers can come up with any results they want by tweaking their research models.

      147. tamo says:
        @Hippopotamusdrome

        Adam Smith also said in the section dealing with China in his WEALTH OF NATIONS that even though wealth gap was wider in China than in Europe , China was richer than Europe.

      148. anon[336] • Disclaimer says:
        @AaronB

        >And Talha says he is seeing a tremendous amount of white people convert to Islam, more than ever before.

        Yeah, we all know about self-hatred. And?

      149. tamo says:
        @anon

        Any comments on black and white mating by WN guys , can not be taken too seriously because they want to assuage their bruised egos by belittling white women dating black men.. To these people, even “low-quality” white women going with black men would be considered a big rejection of white manhood.

      150. tamo says:
        @Hippopotamusdrome

        For your information, the Ming Wall in Xian built in 1582 was a masterpiece of military engineering second to none.

        Chinese walls were bigger than medieval European walls. In the mid 20th century a European expert in fortification, commented on their immensity: in China, the principal towns are surrounded by walls so substantial, lofty, and formidable that the medieval fortifications of Europe are puny in comparison.

        As a matter of fact, during WW2, Japanese explosive artillery shells were not very effective against the rammed-earth city wall in Nanjing . It’s more likely that the 20 century explosive artillery shells could have made mincemeat out of European STAR FORTS in a relatively short time.
        Chinese walls were thick. Ming city walls were 30 feet to 60 feet thick at the base and 15 to 30 feet at the top.
        Aside from their immense size, Chinese walls were also structurally different from the ones built in medieval Europe. Whereas European walls were mostly constructed of stone interspersed with gravel or rubble filling and bonded by limestone mortar, Chinese walls had tamped earthen cores which ABSORBED the ENERGY of ARTILLERY SHOTS.

        Walls were constructed using wooden frameworks which were filled with layers of earth tamped down to a highly compact state, and once that was completed the frameworks were removed for use in the next wall section. Starting from the Song dynasty these walls were improved with an outer layer of bricks or stone to prevent corrosion, and during the Ming, earthworks were interspersed with stone and rubble. Most Chinese walls were also sloped rather than vertical to better DEFLECT projectile energy.

      151. Susan says:

        Henrik Palmgren of Red Ice TV interviewed Edward Dutton recently on Race Differences in Ethnocentrism. Youtube gave Red Ice a strike, expiring 9/18/19, and removed the Dutton interview for violating their hate speech policy. A notice was sent from Twitter to Red Ice that it had received a complaint about the Dutton show but upon review didn’t find the show violated their policy.

        I used to watch Youtubes on Comcast cable TV but it’s getting too annoying because in the middle of the transmission, it suddenly switches to a mainstream outlet, ABC, BBC, or somebody like that and start playing. I have to get the remote and switch it back. The games they play.

      152. Susan says:

        In previous comment, I should have said it was political Youtubes that get switched. Never happens with cooking or home repairs videos. Happens with Red Ice, Know More News with Adam Green, and a few days ago, The Secret Masonic Victory of World War II by Dennis Wise–kept switching to an establishment presentation of WWII. Funny.

        I could easily live without TV but I live with someone who wants it and pays for it.

      153. Malla says:
        @Thomm

        This sort of bar chart is not meaningful unless functional whites are separated out from wastematter whites. The variance within whites is very high.

        Yup agree. Separate the functional Whites from YOU for a start. Assuming you are White that is.

        • Replies: @Thomm
      154. Malla says:
        @tamo

        You must remember that Columbus discovered the Americas by accident when he tried to find a non-Moslem dominated route to rich and advanced China.

        What rubbish are you spewing you stupid idiot, Columbus was finding a route to the Indies (Indian Subcontinent and South East Asia). Why did the Europeans end up calling the mongoloid looking Native Americans ‘Indians’? Because they believe they might have reached India. That is they the Caribbean was called the West Indies (as against East Indies of Asia). Did they call the Caribbean West Cathay or West China? NO. And Why were all the great trading companies called East India Companies? British East India Company, Dutch East India Company.

        • Replies: @tamo
      155. Malla says:
        @anon

        Oy Vey!!! So many White men and women are still marrying each other. The chosen tribe will have a heart attack. After trillions of $$$$ spent on pushing race mixing in movies, serials, advertising etc… More trillions need to be spent.

      156. Malla says:
        @Professional Stranger

        There are peoples above the Rothschilds. Research the Sassons, Dangoors and Kaduris.

      157. tamo says:
        @Malla

        Hey little doo she, here is an article named COLUMBUS CONFUSION ABOUT THE NEW WORLD on SMITHONIAN.COM “During the decade before 1492, as Columbus nursed a growing urge to sail west to the INDIES—as the lands of CHINA, JAPAN and INDIA were then known in Europe—he was studying the old writers to find out what the world and its people were like”.

        He also thought the Bahamas was Japan and Cuba was China. Until his dying day, he thought he had found China. From now on, try to learn something instead of going off half-cocked. What a half-brained idiot !!!

        • Replies: @jeff stryker
        , @Malla
      158. @tamo

        You’re both wrong.

        Portugal controlled the Eastward route and to avoid sea wars Spain had to find another way to the Far East.

        • Replies: @tamo
      159. tamo says:
        @jeff stryker

        I think Columbus’ main concern was finding shortest distance from Europe to China, Spice Island, India,etc . Here again, COLUMBUS CONFUSION ABOUT THEWORLD on Smithonian.com ” Spain was closer to China westward than eastward. Columbus never abandoned this conviction. And before he set out to prove it by sailing west from Spain”.

      160. Malla says:
        @tamo

        Listen you stupid chump. The Indies never included China or Japan. They wanted to come to INDIA. Hence the East India Companies.
        From
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Indies
        “The East Indies or the Indies are the lands of South and Southeast Asia.”
        Get your head out of your ass.

        • Replies: @tamo
        , @jeff stryker
      161. tamo says:
        @Malla

        Hey stupid MF, according to Smithonian Magazine that is well-respected magazine “Columbus nursed a growing urge to sail west to the Indies—as the lands of China, Japan and India were THEN known in Europe”. Hey dumb sh-t head, we all know what the Indies truly meanin the modern times. But in the time of Columbus, it seems to me when Europeans said “Indies”, it included not only India and South East Asia but also China and Japan. Columbus wanted to bring silk, porcelain, spices etc from China, India, South East Asia to Europe. Go get fu–ked, sh-t face.

      162. @Malla

        MALLA

        True, and that was because their rivals the Portuguese were already on the Malabar coast.

      163. Thomm says:
        @Malla

        er….. aren’t you that weird, obsequious Indian who is desperate to appease the White Trashionalists (i.e. the bottom decile of white men) under the misguided belief that they will take you in?

        Keep trying that for the next five years, and let us know how that goes.

        • Replies: @Malla
      164. Malla says:
        @Thomm

        No…….not really.

        weird, obsequious Indian

        Most people on Unz believe that the above describes you and they may be right.

        desperate to appease

        Am neither desperate nor do I appease anybody.

        White Trashionalists (i.e. the bottom decile of white men)

        What is dis? Your fantasy?

        under the misguided belief that they will take you in?

        Who ever gave you that idea? I live in a brown country you simpleton. I could migrate to a White country anyday I wish but I choose to live in a brown country.
        What do you smoke?

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