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    On July 16, 1999, John Fitzgerald Kennedy Junior was flying his private Piper Saratoga II, with his wife Carolyn Bessette and his sister-in-law Lauren Bessette. He was to drop Lauren off at Martha’s Vineyard, then fly on with Carolyn to Hyannis Port for the wedding of his cousin, Rory Kennedy, the following day. At 9:39, as he was approaching Martha’s Vineyard airport, John radioed the control tower for landing instructions, giving no sign of difficulty. At 9:41 p.m., witnesses heard and saw an explosion in the sky, at the precise moment when John’s plane suddenly plummeted into the ocean at the radar-recorded speed of 4,700 feet per minute. The next day, pieces of luggage from the plane were found floating nearly two miles away from the point of last radar contact.

    The search and recovery operations were conducted by the Air Force and the Navy under national security conditions, with news reporting controlled from the Pentagon. The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) concluded its investigation eleven months later, and announced as “probable cause” of the plane crash “the pilot’s failure to maintain control of the airplane”, with “haze and the dark night” being possible factors.[1]https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NTSB_...r.aspx The corporate media amplified the implication that John was an inexperienced and reckless pilot who ignored the dangerous weather conditions and who is to blame for his own death and the death of his wife and sister-in-law.

    But many facts and testimonies inconsistent with that story have been concealed, while some convenient ones seem to have been fabricated. Independent investigators have found enough omissions and contradictions in the official and mainstream narrative to ask the questions: Was JFK Jr., in fact, assassinated? Was he killed by the same cabal that had killed his father 36 years earlier, and for the same motive as his uncle Bobby 5 years later: his plans to conquer the White House and bring his father’s murderers to justice? (On JFK’s and RFK’s assassinations, read my article “Did Israel kill the Kennedys?” on unz.com). I will examine the evidence of foul play and cover-up in JFK Jr.’s death in the second part of this two-part article. In this first part, let’s see if we can establish the following two things:

    1) At age 39, John had made up his mind to launch his political career by seeking an electoral mandate in New York State, and he was about to announce it publicly. He had also expressed to his friends his ambition to ultimately reach for the presidency. Given his personality and his popularity, he had high chances to make it in less than 20 years. He might realistically have become U.S. president in 2008 or 2016.

    2) Brought up in the worship of his father, John had taken a keen interest in “conspiracy theories” about his death at least since his late teens. His knowledge deepened in his thirties, made him aware of State and media cover-ups in other affairs, and motivated him to publish, eight months before his death, a cover article by Oliver Stone, director of the groundbreaking film JFK, titled “Our Counterfeit History”.

    If those two things can be proven — and they will — they must be connected. John’s quest for the truth about President Kennedy’s assassination cannot be separated from his political ambition to reclaim the White House, anymore than it could be in the case of his uncle Bobby, who, as David Talbot has shown (Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years, Simon & Schuster, 2007), was planning to reopen the investigation on the Dallas coup as he was campaigning for the presidency in 1968. These are two sides of the same destiny. The heir and the avenger are one and the same person. Therefore, the deep power network that had decided to eliminate Bobby on the threshold of the White House had every reason to make the same decision about John Junior.

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    True, John Junior was probably not yet ready for the presidency — although some, like Pierre Salinger, believed he would have run for president in 2000. But on the other hand, for many reasons, he was a more natural candidate than RFK, with more potential. If he had to be stopped, didn’t it make sense to stop him before he made his political ambitions public? July 1999 was the right time; after that, the motive would be harder to conceal. Even for media-brainwashed Americans, a second heir to JFK killed on the road to the White House would be hard to swallow. Not to mention the fact that to let JFK Jr. live longer would be taking the risk of having a JFK III coming into this world: more trouble in perspective. Indeed, Carolyn may have been pregnant when she died with her husband.

    PART I: THE HEIR AND WOULD-BE AVENGER

    JFK Jr. and the Camelot legacy

    John’s life and personality are movingly presented in the film I am JFK Jr. (2016)
    John’s life and personality are movingly presented in the film I am JFK Jr. (2016)

    John Junior was literally born with the Kennedy presidency, precisely 17 days after his dad won the election. From the minute he came into this world, he had been in the national spotlight. As Americans watched him grow up in the White House, they developed a strong affection for him, which did not displease his father. While Jackie was trying to keep the photographers away from her children, “JFK had another view,” recalls Pierre Salinger, President Kennedy’s Press Secretary. Whenever Jackie was away, “he was in touch with me and told me that now it was time for the media to get some wonderful pictures of John Jr. and Caroline in his office in the White House. I arranged for Jacques Lowe, who had been hired as the photographer of the Kennedys, to do those photos.”[2]Pierre Salinger, “Mourned for what he might have been,” UPI, August 6, 1999, reproduced on http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfksalinger.shtml

    Little “John John” turned three the day of his father’s funeral, and he broke the world’s heart when he solemnly saluted his father’s coffin. That iconic image encapsulated a nation’s grief, and impressed on millions of Americans the dream of seeing him reclaim the Oval Office one day. For in the American collective psyche, the Kennedys represented royalty, and JFK Jr. was the legitimate heir to the throne. He was, wrote the New York Daily News the day after his death, the “charismatic crown prince of America’s royal family.”[3]Dave Saltonstall, Austin Fenner, Helen Kennedy And Greg B. Smith, “John F. Kennedy Jr. went missing after taking a flight with his wife and her sister in 1999,” New York Daily News, July 18, 1999, on http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-lost...846379 “He was the closest thing we had to a crown prince,” says Chris Cuomo in I am JFK Jr.

    Little “John John” saluting his father’s coffin, on his third birthday
    Little “John John” saluting his father’s coffin, on his third birthday

    The Kennedys didn’t attain that royal status by just buying media coverage. It was conquered by the patriarch Joe Kennedy, whose philosophy Laurence Leamer has well captured in his great book Sons of Camelot: The Fate of an American Dynasty (2005). Joe Kennedy, he writes

    “believed that in each generation a few powerful men were the rightful leaders of their generation. He thought that he and his sons were part of this natural aristocracy. … Joseph P. Kennedy created one great thing in his life, and that was his family. With acumen as great as his wealth, and limitless purpose, he built a family of sons who sought to reach the peak of American political life. … Joe knew that he had achieved so much in America because of the liberty and opportunities. He believed that sons of privilege and wealth had an obligation to serve their country and to return something of the bounty that they had inherited. Joe taught that blood ruled and that they must trust each other and venture out into a dangerous world full of betrayals and uncertainty, always returning to the sanctuary of family. His sons took on part of Joe’s psychological makeup, the sense of lives without boundaries and ambitions without restrictions.”[4]Laurence Leamer, Sons of Camelot: The Fate of an American Dynasty, HarperCollins, 2005, kindle, k. 225-67.

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    After their father’s death, their uncle Bobby played the role of surrogate father for John Jr. and his sister Caroline. When Bobby was assassinated in his turn in June 1968, Jackie said: “If they are killing Kennedys, my kids are the number one targets. I want to get out of this country.”[5]Jackie’s words reported by Pierre Salinger, quoted from Christopher Andersen, The Good Son, JFK Jr. and the Mother He Loved, Gallery Boosk, 2014, kindle, k. 1912-4. She married shipping magnate Aristotle Onassis, whose assets included a seventy-five-member, machine-gun-equipped security force.

    Jackie wanted her son to grow up knowing who his father was. As early as 1967, writes biographer Christopher Andersen in The Good Son,

    “Jackie made sure that John was constantly exposed to the people who knew John [President Kennedy] best — from longtime pals like Red Fay, Chuck Spalding, Oleg Cassini, Bill Walton, and his ubiquitous sidekick Dave Powers to such New Frontier stalwarts as Pierre Salinger, Theodore Sorensen, and Arthur Schlesinger Jr. These were the folks ‘who knew Jack well and the things Jack liked to do.’ As long as they were around, she reasoned, ‘each day John will be getting to know his father.’”[6]Andersen, The Good Son, op. cit., k. 1645-52

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    And so, although John could hardly have kept real personal memories of his father, he was constantly, so to speak, steeped in the memory of him: “Whenever another child was visiting,” writes Andersen, “he would inevitably ask, ‘Would you like to hear my father?’ Then he turned to a small stack of records and selected one to play.”[7]Andersen, The Good Son, k. 1962-7. In 1972, Jackie asked Pierre Salinger to join her and her children for a month: “I want you to spend an hour or an hour and a half a day with John Jr. and Caroline and explain everything about what their father did.” And so Salinger did.[8]Pierre Salinger, “Mourned for what he might have been,” UPI, August 6, 1999, reproduced on http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfksalinger.shtml John’s craving for information about his father was never quenched. His friend and French biographer Olivier Royant reports that, when running his magazine George, John hired Jacques Lowe, JFK’s official photographer, and kept questioning him about his father for hours.[9]Olivier Royant, John, le dernier des Kennedy, Éditions de l’Observatoire, 2018.

    John John awaiting his father’s return to the White House
    John John awaiting his father’s return to the White House

    Even John’s irresistible yearning for flying, despite his mother’s plea not to do so, can possibly be traced back to his childhood, “when he and his mother watched as Daddy’s helicopter took off from the South Lawn in 1962,” or watched him reappear from the sky. When Nanny Shaw announced to little John in the morning of November 23, 1963, “John, your father has gone to heaven to take care of Patrick [JFK and Jackie’s third child, who did not survive his first month],” John asked, “Did Daddy take his big plane with him?” “Yes,” she answered. “I wonder,” John said, “when he’s coming back.”[10]Andersen, The Good Son, op. cit., k. 671-3 Significantly, John gave his first private plane the registration number N529JK, a reference to his father’s May 29 birthday.

    Did John intend to follow his father’s footsteps in politics? John Quinn, a pioneer researcher on his mysterious death, writes:

    “Committed to the legacy of his compelling father, there was never any question about where John F. Kennedy Jr. was heading. Is there any doubt about the fact that it was only a matter of time before he claimed his father’s legacy? Anybody who claims that we will never really know, does not know anything about John F. Kennedy Jr.”[11]John Quinn, “Like Father Like Son”, http://www.angelfire.com/ms/leg/JFK.html

    We don’t know at what stage in his life John fully endorsed that responsibility. But the thought had certainly been in his mind for many years already when he introduced his uncle Teddy at the 1988 Democratic convention. Like millions of Americans, Salinger was “very excited about that speech”:

    “I took John Jr. to meet alone with me for several hours. I was telling him that this speech showed strongly that he should start thinking about going into politics. He said he was interested, but he was still too young. He told me that he had an idea that he should go into politics in the next century.”[12]Pierre Salinger, “Mourned for what he might have been,” UPI, August 6, 1999, reproduced on http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfksalinger.shtml

    Jackie, the guiding spirit in John’s life, definitely saw her son as Camelot’s standard-bearer. In her last letter to him before dying to lymphoma in 1994, she wrote: “You, especially, have a place in history.”[13]Andersen, The Good Son, op. cit., k. 4300-4309 According to presidential historian Doug Wead, interviewed in the film I am JFK Jr., Jackie “knew in her heart that, some day, the stars are gonna line up, and he’s gonna be president.” “My mom sort of pressured me to get into politics,” John told Lloyd Howard in 1997. “She expected me to follow in my father’s footsteps, and of course I will. But I don’t think the time is right just yet.”[14]Andersen, The Good Son, op. cit., k. 4808-11.

    In 1995, John launched his political magazine George. Under the appearance of superficiality, it engaged in controversial issues of deep politics that reflected John’s interests. His longtime friend Robert Littell wrote, in The Men We Became: My Friendship with John F. Kennedy Jr. (St. Martin’s Press, 2004): “George was also an opportunity for John to build a platform from which he might possibly move into political life.” After all, his father had also pursued a career in journalism before entering politics. George was also a means for John to interact with political actors and thinkers.

    John didn’t avoid letting people know his interest for his father’s legacy. The September 1996 cover of George features Drew Barrymore grimed as Marilyn Monroe with the caption: “Happy Birthday, Mister President,” an obvious — and, to some, indecent — reference to Marilyn’ serenade in front of JFK at the Madison Square Garden in 1962. In October 1997, for the 35th anniversary of the Cuban Missile Crisis, John travelled to Cuba to meet Fidel Castro (the interview he had wished didn’t materialize, but Castro invited him for dinner and for a swim in the Bay of Pigs, and rumor has that Castro gave him his view on his father’s death).[15]Read Robert D. McFadden’s report on https://ia801309.us.archive.org/10/items/nsia-Kenned...02.pdf

    John’s interest for the presidency also transpired heavily in George, particularly in the recurrent section “If I were president,” in which various personalities were asked for suggestions. For the October 1998 issue, for example, Tony Brown, author of Empower the People: A 7-Step Plan to Overthrow the Conspiracy That Is Stealing Your Money and Freedom, declared that, if he were president, he would repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.

    John’s plans in 1999

    In 1999, at age 39, John was trying to sell his magazine. He had new plans. According to Gary Ginsberg, a close collaborator who was with John the night before he died, “That last night he was very focused on two things: finding a buyer for George and his political future.”[16]Liz McNeil, “Would JFK Jr. Have Run for President? His Best Friends Reveal His Last Days”, July 19, 2016, https://people.com/celebrity/john-f-kennedy-jr-for-p...ition/ Christopher Andersen writes in his biography The Good Son:

    “There seemed little doubt in the minds of those who knew him that John was on the brink of a bright political future. ‘He was probably a more natural politician than any of the other Kennedys,’ David Halberstam said, ‘and that includes his father. John had all the makings of a political superstar — once he decided that’s what he wanted.’”

    In July 1999, his decision was made. His closest friends have testified that he was preparing to enter an election contest. Pierre Salinger, who knew him well, declared on French radio Europe 1, on July 19, 1999:

    “I felt that in the coming year John Junior would also become a politician. It’s my point of view. And with other people, we thought he was going to be a Democratic candidate for the next presidential election.”[17]Dominique Page, “Kennedy Junior: La pure hypothèse de l’assassinat,” https://largeur.com/?p=147

    John Junior and Pierre Salinger in 1997
    John Junior and Pierre Salinger in 1997

    More plausibly, John Jr. would have started by seeking a political office in New York State, where he had lived since 1963. He loved New York, and New York loved him. A 1997 private poll ranked JFK Jr. as New York’s “most popular Democrat,” giving him 65 percent approval rating among fellow Democrats.[18]Joe Siegel, “JFK Jr. Mulled Run For Senate in 2000,” New York Daily News, July 20, 1999, http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/jfk-jr-mul...847866 John had several options. One he excluded was mayor of New York City. His assistant at George, RoseMarie Terenzio, recounts that when New York Senator Al D’Amato suggested he should run for mayor, John laughed it off. When Terenzio asked him afterward if he would ever consider it,

    “He said ‘Well, Rosie, how many mayors do you know that became President?’ I was so shocked I didn’t say anything. Then he smirked as if to say ‘That’s not the road you go down — we’ll see what happens.’”[19]Liz McNeil, “Would JFK Jr. Have Run for President? His Best Friends Reveal His Last Days”, July 19, 2016, https://people.com/celebrity/john-f-kennedy-jr-for-p...ition/

    Terenzio also made the following comment to the news website TheWrap:

    “I think he would’ve run for president. I thought he would’ve run in 2008. I had dinner with a friend from George last night who thought for some reason he would’ve waited for 2016. He would be 56.”[20]Matt Donnelly, “JFK Jr Would Have Run for President in 2016, Top Aide Says,” The Wrap, July 29, 2016, https://www.thewrap.com/jfk-jr-would-have-run-for-pr...-says/ Asked for People magazine if she tought JFK Jr. would have run for president, Terenzio answers: “I do think that eventually he would have made the leap” (video on https://people.com/celebrity/john-f-kennedy-jr-for-p...ition/ at 3 minutes).

    Donald Trump and John Kennedy Jr. in 1999: Were they up to something?
    Donald Trump and John Kennedy Jr. in 1999: Were they up to something?

    According to Gary Ginsberg, JFK Jr.’s close collaborator at George,

    “He had been thinking about running for the N.Y. Senate seat — he even had meetings about it that spring — but by July had concluded he would focus his attention on running for governor of N.Y. in 2003. By temperament and interest, John, I think, realized he was far more suited to being a governor than a legislator. He knew from running George that he could be an inspiring, strong chief executive of a state, setting the tone for government and successfully running a complex operation. That idea became very appealing to him at some point that summer. Had the stars aligned over the next couple of years, I’m pretty convinced that’s what he would have pursued.”[21]Liz McNeil, “Would JFK Jr. Have Run for President? His Best Friends Reveal His Last Days”, July 19, 2016, https://people.com/celebrity/john-f-kennedy-jr-for-p...ition/

    Others around John believed he was about to enter the race for the Senate seat that Daniel Moynihan, a former assistant to President Kennedy, was going leave vacant in 2000. This is the seat that Bobby Kennedy had occupied from 1964 to 1968. On July 19, 1999, New York Daily News reporter Joel Siegel interviewed two unnamed friends of JFK Jr., who said “they believed he would have run for office some day. Earlier this year, in one of the best-kept secrets in state politics, Kennedy considered seeking the seat of retiring Sen. Daniel Moynihan (D-N.Y.) in 2000, friends confirmed yesterday.” Democratic Chairman John Marino, also quoted in Siegel’s article, did not believe he would have run for the Senate seat, but had little doubt that, if he did, “It would have been ‘Goodbye, anyone else. This is a guy who everybody recognized who would have had any nomination for the asking.’”[22]Joe Siegel, “JFK Jr. Mulled Run For Senate in 2000,” New York Daily News, July 20, 1999, http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/jfk-jr-mul...847866

    Christopher Andersen supports the view that, after consulting with Democratic leaders, John had made up his mind for the Senate. It clashed with Hillary Clinton’s plan. The Clintons, who were to leave the White House in January 2001, were about to purchase a home in Chappaqua, N.Y., and Hillary was gearing up to run for the Senate as a stepping-stone to the presidency.

    “In the end, John was still convinced his best shot was at running for Moynihan’s Senate seat. Hillary Clinton had hesitated to enter the race largely because she feared John, who was being touted behind the scenes as her principal rival for the nomination, would be a formidable foe. John was both heir to the Kennedy magic and People’s ‘Sexiest Man Alive,’ as well as the consummate New Yorker, a resident of the city since the age of three. Although New York had no residency requirements, Hillary, who had never spent more than a few days at a time in New York, would almost certainly be branded a carpetbagger. … As late as the summer of 1999, Hillary actively worried about JFK Jr. and sought assurances from state party officials that he would not be a last-minute entry into the race. … In early July, Hillary finally made her move and formally announced her candidacy. But she was still concerned about the possibility that John might decide to toss his hat into the ring. As it turned out, she was right. John was now more confident than ever that he could easily beat her at the polls. He believed Hillary was vulnerable not only because of the Monica Lewinsky affair, her husband’s subsequent impeachment, and a slew of brewing scandals in the Clinton White House, but mainly because she simply had no connection to the state he loved. As Hillary had feared, young Kennedy planned on making much of Hillary’s carpetbagger status. ‘Wait until she gets here,’ John told his friend Billy Noonan. ‘She’s gonna get her head handed to her.’ He was going to fill Noonan in on the details of his upcoming campaign for the U.S. Senate — how and when he intended to make the announcement, what advice he was getting from Uncle Teddy, the endorsements and backing he was already lining up — when they all got together on Nantucket to celebrate Noonan’s fifth wedding anniversary on July 16. Then they’d be off to attend his cousin Rory’s wedding in Hyannis Port. If, of course, all went according to plan.”[23]Christopher Andersen, The Good Son: JFK Jr. and the Mother He Loved, Gallery Books, 2014, kindle k. 4918-44.


    Christopher Andersen’s interview on Eyewitness News

    Andersen relies on the testimony of John’s longtime friend Billy Noonan, who authored in 2006 Forever Young: My Friendship with John F. Kennedy, Jr. (Viking Press). Here is what Noonan writes precisely, referring to the last phone conversation he had with John, whom he was supposed to meet on July 16:

    “He had been making vague references on the phone about shutting things down, and starting things up. During the week before our anniversary dinner, he told me that he had something pressing to talk about, but with curious ears in the office, John was cautious. ‘We’ll talk about it this weekend.’ … I asked him now what was up with that [1997] poll, to rib him about how the press was pushing for Hillary Clinton to replace Moynihan. ‘Wait until she gets here,’ John said. ‘She’s gonna get her head handed to her.’ He was in.”[24]Read on Google.books. The audio recording of the book is on Youtube: this passage starts at 7:52.

    This is the only mention by Noonan of John’s intention to run for the Senate. On one hand, it is not much. On the other, it should be taken very seriously, coming from one of John’s most intimate friends. Given the importance of the issue, there can be no doubt that Noonan weighed every word he wrote. One gets the impression that he wanted to say what he knew for the record, yet felt restrained from saying it too clearly, even when hinting at John’s awareness that his telephone conversations were tapped the day before he died. In his 2009 article, Wayne Madsen quotes an unnamed “close friend of the late John F. Kennedy, Jr.” (who may be Billy Noonan), who said JFK Jr. “was about ready to announce his run for the U.S. Senate from New York. Kennedy was acutely aware of his vulnerability and hired on a personal security team just prior to his announcing for the Senate.”[25]Wayne Madsen, “JFK Jr.’s Plane Crash Was Originally Treated As Murder Investigation,” August 12, 2009, on http://www.whale.to/c/jfk_jr5.html

    Noonan and Andersen are not the only ones to think that John was upsetting Hillary’s plans. Andrew Collins writes:

    “Approaching the end of two terms in the White House, the Clintons began preparing for their political future. They focused their attention on developing Hillary as a politician (even though she had no actual experience), and selling influence while they had it — buy now, pay later — payable to what would become ‘The Clinton Foundation’. Hillary refused to return to Arkansas, and suggested the purchase of a home in New York which would allow her to run for the Senate in the upcoming election. There was just one obstacle…. JFK Jr. had entered the political scene. New York was electric with word of JFK Jr. reclaiming his father’s legacy! A piece of Camelot was still alive in America, and donors began to line up. She knew she could never defeat the son of JFK in New England.”[26]Andrew Collins, “Hillary Clinton & The Mysterious Death of JFK Jr.,” May 8, 2016, http://pmnightlynews.com/index.php/2016/05/08/clint...ation/

    April 1999: “Why Hillary won’t be senator”
    April 1999: “Why Hillary won’t be senator”
    November 1999: “Hillary Comes Clean”
    November 1999: “Hillary Comes Clean”

    After reviewing all those testimonies, I feel that no certainty can be reached about John’s immediate plan, other that he was at the dawn of a bright political future and that he had several options in New York State. If we believe Noonan — and why shouldn’t we — then Laurence Leamer, author of Sons of Camelot: The Fate of an American Dynasty (HarperCollins, 2011) is right when writing that “John watched with growing dismay as Hillary subtly insinuated herself into what he considered his state.”[27]Laurence Leamer, Sons of Camelot: The Fate of an American Dynasty, HarperCollins, 2005, kindle k. 8297, quoted in Keith J. Kelly, “JFK Jr. Mad at Hill Senate Run: Book,” New York Post, March 16, 2004, https://nypost.com/2004/03/16/jfk-jr-mad-at-hill-sen...-book/ It is easy to guess that, in return, Hillary saw John as a serious rival, on the state level in the short term, and on the national level in the long term. She stood no chance if John ever stepped across her way, and that was sure to happen sooner or later.

    It is true, as some authors object, that John never frontally attacked the Clintons in his magazine George, perhaps out of Democratic loyalty. But one of the very last issues of George that he oversaw himself (April 1999) was hostile to Hillary’s bid on the Senate seat, posting on the front-page: “Why Hillary won’t be senator.” In April 1996, the cover had: “Why Women Will Dump Hillary.” But with John out of the way, Hillary did win the seat and, disturbingly, the November 1999 issue of George contained an exclusive interview of her, together with — in tragic irony — an article on “How Bobby Kennedy Seduced New York.”

    JFK Jr. as conspiracy theorist

    Let’s move on to the next question: how dedicated was John to getting to the bottom of his father’s assassination?

    According to testimonies from his friends, John Junior was haunted by the death of his father and quite knowledgeable about independant investigations contradicting the Warren Report. In 1999, he was not a newcomer to JFK conspiracy theories; his quest for truth had started as early as the late 1970s. His old high school girlfriend Meg Azzoni, in her self-published book, 11 Letters and a Poem: John F. Kennedy, Jr., and Meg Azzoni (2007), writes that as a teenager, JFK, Jr. was questioning the official version of his father’s death: “His heartfelt quest was to expose and bring to trial who killed his father, and covered it up.”[28]Quoted in John Koerner, Exploding the Truth: The JFK Jr., Assassination, Chronos Books, 2018, kindle k. 540-45. Don Jeffries, author of Hidden History, claimed that “another friend of JFK, Jr.’s adult inner circle, who very adamantly requested to remain anonymous, verified that he was indeed quite knowledgeable about the assassination and often spoke of it in private.”[29]Quoted in Koerner, Exploding the Truth, op. cit., k. 540-5. JFK Jr., said Jeffries in a radio interview, was on “a Shakespearian quest,” “to avenge his father’s death,” like young Hamlet.[30]https://midnightwriternews.com/mwn-episode-093-donal...fk-jr/

    October 1998 “Conspiracy Issue” with an article by Oliver Stone
    October 1998 “Conspiracy Issue” with an article by Oliver Stone

    John is the only Kennedy to have shown a serious determination to pursue this truth, besides his uncle Bobby. And he took the risk of making his interest public in October 1998, when he released a special “Conspiracy Issue” of George magazine , which included an article by Oliver Stone titled “Our Counterfeit History,” introduced on the cover as “Paranoid and Proud of It!”

    In an article published in 2009, journalist Wayne Madsen claimed that, two weeks after John’s death, “I was scheduled to meet with Kennedy at his magazine’s offices in Washington, DC to discuss hiring on as one of a few investigative journalists Kennedy wanted to dig deep into a number of cases, but most importantly that of his father’s assassination.”[31]Wayne Madsen, “JFK Jr.’s Plane Crash Was Originally Treated As Murder Investigation,” Wayne Madsen Report, August 12, 2009, on http://www.whale.to/c/jfk_jr5.html. Madsen told more details to Jeffries, who reports them in his book Hidden History: An Expose of Modern Crimes, Conspiracies, and Cover-Ups in American Politics, Skyhorse publishing, 2016, kindle k. 3981. (There is no confirmation of Madsen’s claim.)

    As many truth seekers who had started with the Kennedy assassination, John had developed an awareness that other events of great historical consequence were the subject of State-orchestrated lies and cover-ups, with corporate media complicity. And so the JFK assassination was not the only “conspiracy issue” explored by George. It is worth taking a look at two others, for they may inform us on the direction John Jr. was taking in his quest for truth.

    In December 1996, George delved into the theory claiming that TWA Flight 800, which had exploded on July 17, 1996, soon after leaving JFK International, had been downed by a missile, rather than as the result of an short-circuit near the central fuel tank, as the National Transportation Safety Board concluded. The claim was based on the testimonies of 375 witnesses who saw one or two bright flare objects hit the plane, many of them believing it was a missile (read Ron Unz’s 2016 article on the subject, or watch on YouTube the 2001 documentary Silenced: TWA 800 and the Subversion of Justice). Although I have not been able to read the George article on TWA 800 (I will appreciate a comment from anyone who has), I assume it supported Pierre Salinger, who had been the most prominent journalist arguing that TWA 800 was shot down by a missile fired from a US Navy ship. Salinger was severely attacked by his peers, and his notoriety suffered permanent damage. But in May 27, 1999, he reaffirmed his belief and asked to be vindicated in a Georgetowner column, based on new research confirming his views. In this piece, Salinger mentions that “retired Navy commander William Donaldson has also come out with a new view: TWA 800 was shot down by a missile — fired not from a Navy ship but a terrorist group.”[32]Pierre Salinger, “TWA 800: The Truth Is Out There; Tell It,” Georgetowner, May 27, 1999, https://georgetowner.com/articles/2013/07/22/salinge...ntary/ That could explain the presence of a mysterious ship caught on radar while speeding away near where the plane exploded. Details can be read in a piece written by Philip Weiss for the New York Observer in July 1999 (days before JFK Jr.’s death), titled “Radar Shows ‘Getaway Boat’ Fleeing Flight 800 Crash”:

    “‘Radar data collected during the last minute of the T.W.A. flight revealed the two closest objects to the plane, both between three and four miles away, as a Navy P-3 airplane and what the exhibit called simply a ‘30-knot target.’ Radar data for the next 20 minutes showed the mystery boat heading on a beeline out to sea, on a south-southwest course, even as other boats rushed to the crash to try to help out. It was nearly 9 o’clock at night, not the usual time for an excursion. … [FBI officer] Lewis Schiliro acknowledged the presence of the mystery boat, which he said was at least 25 to 30 feet long and reached speeds of 35 knots, close to 40 miles per hour. ‘Despite extensive efforts, the F.B.I. has been unable to identify this vessel,’ he said. / The response is somewhat alarming given the F.B.I.’s assurances that it had turned over every stone.”[33]Philip Weiss, “Radar Shows ‘Getaway Boat’ Fleeing Flight 800 Crash,” The Oberver, July 12, 1999, https://observer.com/1999/07/radar-shows-getaway-boa...crash/

    Alarming, but understandable if the mystery boat was in fact Israeli. Israel’s LAP (LohammaPsichologit, the Mossad’s department of psychological warfare) had been busy blaming Iran from the day of the crash, and “thousands of media stories perpetuated the fiction,” recounts Gordon Thomas in Gideon’s Spies: The Secret History of the Mossad (2009), with the London Times claiming that land-air Stinger missile systems had been smuggled across the Canadian border into the United States by Islamic terrorists. A year later, the FBI’s chief investigator, James K. Kallstrom, would tell his colleagues: “If there was a way to nail those bastards in Tel Aviv for time wasting, I sure would like to see it happen. We had to check every item they slipped into the media.”[34]Gordon Thomas, Gideon’s Spies: The Secret History of the Mossad, St. Martin’s Griffin, 2015, p. 95-99.

    Some researchers into JFK Jr.’s plane crash have suggested a connection to the TWA 800 crash, which happened three years earlier almost to the day, and in the same vicinity. Jackie Jura, author of Orwell Today website, wrote:

    “I remember when TWA 800 exploded and Salinger was going to give a press conference in Paris to expose the truth. But then he cancelled it. The rumour on the net at the time was that the powers-that-be told him that if he gave the press conference they’d kill John-John, and so he backed down.”

    “TWA Conspiracy Theories” (December 1996)
    “TWA Conspiracy Theories” (December 1996)
    “Who was behind the killing of Yitzhak Rabin?” (March 1997)
    “Who was behind the killing of Yitzhak Rabin?” (March 1997)

    Back down he did, but in May 27, 1999, he reiterated his claim, and John Jr. would die 50 days later. I don’t subscribe to that theory, but it is worth mentioning.

    In March 1997, three months after the issue featuring the “TWA Conspiracy Theories” cover article, George magazine published a 13-page article by the mother of Yigal Amir, the man convicted of assassinating Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin. Rabin had offended the Israeli far-right by wanting to trade land for peace. Amir’s mother revealed that her son had operated under the tutelage and training of a Shin Bet agent, Avishai Raviv, working for forces seeking to halt the peace process.[35]Guela Amir, “A Mother’s Defense”, George, March 1997, reproduced on groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/soc.culture.usa/P-mc7BFF1Nc/K3S6Bizg-U4J Canadian-Israeli journalist Barry Chamish, who investigated the Rabin assassination in his book Who Murdered Yitzhak Rabin? (1988), agrees. He also believes that JFK Jr. was determined to “get the full story on the Rabin assassination,” and finds support in several news release following JFK Jr.’s death:

    “Catherine Crier of Fox TV’s The Crier Report, announcing that JFK Jr. was about to meet high ranking Mossad officers. Then the German newspaper, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, reported that Kennedy had met with the deputy chief of the Mossad, Amiram Levine, to get the full story on the Rabin assassination two days before his plane went down. Then Maariv ran an interview with JFK’s chauffeur, who happens to be Israeli. Then people started noting that Ehud Barak was in Washington at the time of Kennedy’s finale in life.”[36]Barry Chamish, “The Murder of JFK Jr – Ten Years Later,” www.barrychamish.com, reproduced on www.rense.com/general87/tenyrs.htm

    Barak’s visit to the U.S. around July 16, 1999 — with a battalion of Intelligence and security agents — is a fact, but I have not been able to verify Chamish’ sources in the Crier Report, the Frankfurter Allgemeine or the Maariv. Chamish concluded:

    “Yes, I’m sure he [John] was murdered. And yes, the Israeli political establishment had a motive for involvement. The latest Kennedy to die violently was the only American editor to expose (in the March 1997 issue of his magazine George) the conspiracy behind Rabin’s assassination. And he had every intention of continuing his exposes until he got to the bottom of the matter. We don’t know what drove him to stand alone in seeking the truth, but it may have had much to do with the information contained within Final Judgment.”[37]Barry Chamish, “A Zionist Looks at Final Judgment,” www.barrychamish.com, reproduced on https://rense.com/politics5/zionist.htm

    There is no confirmation that John Junior read Michael Piper’s book Final Judgment blaming Israel for the Kennedy assassination, and released in 1993. But it is in the realm of possibility, given his personal quest for the truth on his father’s death, and his consideration for the theory that Rabin was assassinated by the Israeli Deep State, rather than by a lone nut.

    So, was JFK Jr. himself assassinated? Here is man whose road to the presidency seemed traced. No other man of his age had better chances to reach the White House one day. And no other man in the world had more reasons to want the 1963 Kennedy assassination reinvestigated. He was already trying to educate the public through his magazine, at the risk of exposing his own beliefs, something no other Kennedy had ever done (even RFK had kept his doubt on the Warren report private, and his plan to reopen the case secret). And this man, his best friend Noonan believes, was just about to announce his candidacy for a New York Senate seat, which everyone would have understood as the first step toward the White House. Pierre Salinger and others even believe he would have run for president in 2000. What are the odds that he would die at this precise moment by accident? How lucky for his enemies to be spared the trouble of eliminating him, as they had his uncle in 1968! If that was an accident, then that alone deserves to be called a “Kennedy curse,” doesn’t it! If it was an accident, then the Devil caused it. Or was it Yahweh?

    As I have argued in “Did Israel kill the Kennedys?”, John’s uncle Bobby had been assassinated because he was, in his own eyes and in the eyes of most Americans—and therefore also in the eyes of his brother’s killers —, the continuation of his brother, his heir and avenger. Even before David Talbot, Laurence Leamer has shown how close Jack and Bobby had been. He writes in Sons of Camelot:

    “Bobby had been the president’s alter ego and protector. He could finish his brother’s sentences and complete a task that Jack signaled with no more than a nod or a gesture. He had loved his brother so intensely and served him so well that within the administration it was hard to tell where one man ended and the other began.”[38]Laurence Leamer, Sons of Camelot: The Fate of an American Dynasty, HarperCollins, 2005, kindle k. 225-67.

    A bond of blood and spirit of a comparable nature existed between John F. Kennedy and the son that bore his name. Although John Junior could not speak with his father, nor even remember speaking with him, his love and loyalty to his father, nurtured by his mother, was the driving force in his life. From the point of view of JFK’s murderers, JFK Jr. was JFK redivivus, and RFK redivivus at the same time. All three were like one man who had to be killed three times.

    PART II: EVIDENCE OF ASSASSINATION AND COVER-UP

    Was JFK Jr. assassinated? As we are going to see, the evidence may not be absolutely compelling, but what can be proven beyond a reasonable doubt is that federal authorities and corporate media engaged in a massive cover-up of any facts that contradicted the theory of the accident due to the pilot’s error. And that is enough, I think, to decide between accident and assassination. The transgenerational cabal who had the motive, means and opportunity to murder JFK and RFK (and the power to get away with it) had the same motive, means and opportunity to murder JFK Jr. (and the power to get away with it). We know for sure that, in 1968, RFK had both the ambition to win the White House and the determination to reopen the investigation on the death of his brother (read my article “Did Israel Kill the Kennedys?”). I have now shown that the same can be ascertained about JFK Jr. in 1999. Obviously, that made him a target, the next Kennedy on the list.

    The 9:39 call and the explosion

    According to Wayne Madsen, “JFK Jr.’s Plane Crash Was Originally Treated As Murder Investigation” (the title of his 2009 article):

    “The FBI had discovered that there was ‘suspicious boating activity’ in an area of Martha’s Vineyard where Kennedy’s plane was descending to 2000 feet for its final approach to the airport. The ‘suspicious’ boaters claimed to be fishing for striped bass. … after the plane’s wreckage was discovered, investigators found, according to Kennedy’s friend, that every light bulb, including that in the emergency flashlight, had been blown out on the plane and every circuit board, including those in the engine sensors and other electronic equipment, had been literally ‘melted.’ FBI agents on the scene preliminarily concluded that a ‘massive electromagnetic event’ caused Kennedy’s plane to crash. … Before the FBI could begin examining the ocean floor for any ‘special equipment’ that may have been thrown overboard from the fishing boat, their ‘murder’ investigation was abruptly called off by FBI headquarters in Washington.”[39]Wayne Madsen, “JFK Jr.’s Plane Crash Was Originally Treated As Murder Investigation,” August 12, 2009, on http://www.whale.to/c/jfk_jr5.html

    Unfortunately, I have found no source supporting Madsen’s claim about an aborted FBI investigation (that’s always the problem with Madsen). But the fact that no news of a criminal investigation ever reached the public is in itself very puzzling, given the history of Kennedy assassinations and the natural assumption that JFK Jr. could be a target. That JFK Jr. had powerful enemies was well-known to the whole world, and the lack of a criminal investigation may be taken as confirmation of their power.

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    Independent investigators have gathered a fair amount of evidence that JFK Jr.’s death was a criminal act. I will summarize what I hold to be the most solid evidence, based on my reading of all the relevant articles I could find on the Net (including those by early researchers such as John Quinn), and of the following two books: first, chapter 7 of Donald Jeffries’s book Hidden History: An Expose of Modern Crimes, Conspiracies, and Cover-Ups in American Politics (Skyhorse publishing, 2016), which I recommend (you may also want to listen to Jeffries’s one-hour interview); second, John Koerner, Exploding the Truth: The JFK Jr., Assassination (Chronos Books, 2018), which adds little. In addition, John Hankey’s video “Dark Legacy II: the Assassination of JFK Jr” is very useful. However, I advise to skip Koerner’s Part I, meant to exonerate the Clintons and blame the Bushs; for the same reason, I recommend to start Hankey’s video at 15 minutes.

    The basic fact that seems firmly established by radar data is that JFK Jr.’s plane suddenly nose-dived into the Ocean at 9:41. That cannot be explained simply by an engine failure, as the Boston Globe correctly asserted:

    “Even if the engine died, a federal aviation source said, it is unlikely that the plane would reach such a high rate of descent, because the plane is designed to glide without power at a much slower rate for several miles. And if Kennedy had run out of fuel, it is likely he would have made a distress call.”[40]Mitchell Zuckoff and Matthew Brelis, “Plane fell fast, probe finds,” Boston Globe, July 20, 1999, http://archive.boston.com/news/packages/jfkjr/07209...ll.htm

    The most likely explanation, apart from suicide, is that the plane suffered a structural damage, possibly by explosive, making it impossible to maintain in the air; blowing off a part of a wing or the tail would have been enough, and would have required only a very small device fixed to the plane.

    The next element to consider is that, from the early hours of July 17, it was reported that JFK Jr. had made a call to Martha’s Vineyard airport at 9:39 pm, asking for landing instructions in a perfectly calm tone, less than two minutes before his plane suddenly dropped and disappeared from radar. That information was broadcast on Boston WCVB-TV and was relayed by ABC News. A United Press International article dated July 17 said:

    “At 9:39 p.m. Friday, Kennedy radioed the airport and said he was 13 miles from the airport and 10 miles from the coast, according to WCVB-TV news in Boston. He reportedly said he was making his final approach. … In his final approach message, WCVB-TV said Kennedy told controllers at the airport that he planned to drop off his wife’s sister and then take off again between 11 p.m. and 11:30 p.m. for Hyannis Airport.”[41]UPI article saved on http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/JFK_...i.html

    WCVB-TV repeated that information continuously during their first two days of reporting on the story. They broadcast, at 12:35 p.m. on July 17, a phone interview by anchor Susan Wornick of U.S. Coast Guard Petty Officer Todd Burgun, who confirmed the information. Here is a transcript of the footage, which Hankey has included in his valuable film (19:40):

    Wornick: “We have been told by the Coast Guard that in fact there is now evidence of a last communication last night with JFK Jr.’s plane as he was making an approach to Martha’s Vineyard airport. Petty officer Todd Burgun joins us from the Coast Guard Base in Boston. He is a Petty officer, and a public information officer. Thank you for being with us, sir. What can you tell us about this last communication with JFK Jr.’s plane?”

    Burgun: “All I really know at this time is that it was at 9:39 p.m. and it was with the FAA. And he was on his final approach to Martha’s Vineyard.”

    Wornick: “So at 9:39, to the best of your information, JFK Jr. made a contact with the airport, with the flight controllers that he was on his final descent.”

    Burgun: “That is correct.”

    Todd Burgun’s interview on WCVB-TV Boston, from Hankey’s Dark Legacy (19:40)
    Todd Burgun’s interview on WCVB-TV Boston, from Hankey’s Dark Legacy (19:40)

    That is all that remained of WCVB-TV’s report on the subject, when researchers later obtained archive copies; “hours of time on the tape archive of WCVB’s July 17 broadcast, during which information on Kennedy’s radio contact was continually reported, have been intentionally cut,” complained John Quinn.[42]John Quinn, “Hard Evidence Obtained of Conspiracy, Cover-up in JFK Jr. Death,” on http://www.angelfire.com/wy/1000/HardEvidence.html According to Jeffries, the original interview of Burgun was much longer:

    “On the uncut tape, Burgun went on to delineate all the points from the UPI’s article: Kennedy was calm, on approach to the airport, had provided his position and trajectory, and had even made a comment about dropping Lauren Bessette off at the airport. Some five hours of coverage was edited out.”[43]Donald Jeffries, Hidden History: An Expose of Modern Crimes, Conspiracies, and Cover-Ups in American Politics, Skyhorse publishing, 2016, kindle k. 3908-14.

    This crucial information was reported by news services on Saturday July 17 and early Sunday, July 18. By Monday morning, the FAA claimed that there was never a communication from Kennedy to the tower. Todd Burgun became utterly unreachable. According to the Boston Globe, Martin Wyatt, a controller at the Martha’s Vineyard Airport tower the night of Kennedy’s flight “declined comment on whether he had radio contact with Kennedy’s plane.”[44]Mitchell Zuckoff and Matthew Brelis, “Plane fell fast, probe finds,” Boston Globe, July 20, 1999, http://archive.boston.com/news/packages/jfkjr/07209...ll.htm Simultaneously, on July 18, FAA and NTSB officials produced some “newly found” radar “evidence” which supposedly showed Kennedy’s flight exhibiting signs of difficulties and irregularities long before 9:39; obviously, Kennedy’s perfectly normal call at 9:39 did not fit with that new version of events.

    Of course, it is not inconceivable that the crucial piece of information of JFK Jr.’s 9:39 radio call was mistaken, false, or fake. Yet it seems highly implausible that the Coast Guard would charge their spokesman Todd Burgun — whose identity is not in question — to release it to the public without double-checking it. The fact that the news was originally broadcast by a Boston TV station is perhaps significant, as is the fact that, among major newspapers, the Boston Globe was the most critical of the official story (I’ll mention other cases along the way). Since Boston is the Kennedys’ historical stronghold, we can conjecture that an information war of some sort was going on between Boston and Washington, Boston trying to resist the disinformation assault from federal agencies.

    The only available photo believed to be of the wreckage of JFK Jr.’s plane
    The only available photo believed to be of the wreckage of JFK Jr.’s plane

    The second element to consider is the testimony of Victor Pribanic, a trial lawyer from White Oak, Pennsylvania, who was fishing for striped bass off Squibnocket Point that night. He gave an interview to The Martha’s Vineyard Times, cited in the New York Daily News, July 21, 1999: “I heard an explosion over my right shoulder. It sounded like an explosion. There was no shock wave, but it was a large bang.” He also said, according to the Daily News, “that just before hearing the noise, he noticed a small aircraft flying low over the water toward the island.”[45]Dave Saltonstall and Bill Hutchinson, “Angler May Have Heard Crash,” New York Daily News, July 21, 1999, http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/angler-hea...846018 Pribanic repeated his story to filmmaker Anthony Hilder of the Free World Alliance: “I heard a loud impact like a bomb.” The next day, when Pribanic heard the news of the Kennedy crash, he gave his information to Hank Myer of the West Tilsbury Police Department. Myer accompanied Pribanic to the site where he’d heard the explosion, which would turn out exactly where the plane went missing. Police, he was told, forwarded his information to the investigators.[46]Anthony Hilder’s article, “The explosive story: a Second Opinion on the Kennedy Crash,” Free World Alliance, was recently accessible at http://netowne.com/conspiracy/konformist/kennedy.htm, from which I secured a copy, but is no more. Pribanic was apparently not the only witness of the explosion. The July 17 UPI article mentions:

    “A reporter for the Vineyard Gazette newspaper told WCVB-TV in Boston that he was out walking Friday night about the time of the crash and saw ‘big white flash in the sky’ off Philbin Beach.”

    When John DiNardo contacted the Vineyard Gazette in an attempt to talk with this reporter, a few days later, he was told that the “whole thing” was a mix-up due to some fireworks having been set off at “Falmouth”, and, when he insisted, he was told that the reporter was no longer employed by the paper.[47]John DiNardo, “JFK Jr. Sky Flash Reporter Unapproachable”, August 9, 1999, on https://rense.com/politics4/jekunap.htm. Also in John Quinn, “JFK Plane Explosion Eyewitness ‘Compromised’ And/Or Missing,” 8-6-99, http://pages.suddenlink.net/anomalousimages/images/...9.html

    Like the 9:39 radio call, the ear- and eye-witnesses disappeared from news reports from July 18 on. The National Transportation Safety Board initial report, released on July 30, 1999 makes no mention of them. It states that there was no “in-flight break-up or fire, and no indication of pre-impact failure to the airframe,” which excludes an explosion damaging the plane. On June 7, 2000, eleven months after the plane crash, the NTSB released its final report. That report was announced to the press by a short official NTSB news release which included the following statement: “The probable cause of the accident, as stated in the accident report, is: ‘The pilot’s failure to maintain control of the airplane during a descent over water at night, which was a result of spatial disorientation. Factors in the accident were haze and the dark night.’” A first problem must be pointed out: that statement from the NTSB news release which is supposedly taken from the final report does not appear in the final report. In fact, as I will show, it is hard to see how the full report supports the conclusion of that news release. One gets the impression that the person who wrote the news release didn’t even read the full report.

    For example, the sudden drop of altitude from 2,200 feet to 1,100 feet in 14 seconds, stated in the full report, is hard to reconcile with the news release statement. Disorientation implies that the pilot was not aware that he was flying straight into the ocean. But that is impossible, as the NTSB Investigator-in-Charge, Robert Pearce, had admitted as early as July 20, 1999: “They were aware they were going down. With that kind of descent rate, it is going to be noisier than hell in the cockpit.”[48]Mitchell Zuckoff and Matthew Brelis, “Plane fell fast, probe finds,” Boston Globe, July 20, 1999, http://archive.boston.com/news/packages/jfkjr/07209...ll.htm

    Jeb Burnside, commercial pilot and editor-in-chief of Aviation Safety Magazine, did a careful analysis of the NTSB report and radar data and confirms that weather conditions and pilot experience (or lack of) fail to explain the crash:

    “On paper, this accident shouldn’t have happened. Despite most of his time being in a training environment, a typical 310-hour instrument-rating student in a well-equipped airplane should have had no problem with this flight.”[49]Jeb Burnside, “Revisiting JFK, Jr.,” Aviation Safety Magazine, June 2016, http://www.aviationsafetymagazine.com/issues/36_6/f...1.html

    The mainstream media hardly paid attention to the full report, and focused on the short news release. But they even distorted it to make its hesitant conclusion (“probable cause”) more assertive and dramatic. “Haze and the dark night,” which are mentioned as “factors in the accident,” were exaggerated and declared totally unsafe for flying. “The pilot’s failure to maintain control … as a result of spatial disorientation,” became proof that JFK Jr. was incompetent to fly in such terrible weather at night. And the implication was that JFK Jr. was reckless and irresponsible to fly that night, especially with his wife and sister-in-law on board.

    So, after the first step of crucial omissions in the NTSB report (JFK Jr.’s 9:39 call to the airport and Pribanic’s report of an explosion), the disinformation process continued in two more steps: first, a NTSB news release about the “probable cause” of the “accident” is falsely presented as “stated” in the NTSB final report, whereas it is in reality a far cry from the picture presented in the report; second, that relatively prudent statement is exaggerated and dramatized in mainstream news, while all contradictory details in the full report are ignored. Let’s see out that works for the two following crucial points: 1) weather conditions and visibility, 2) the pilot’s experience and cautiousness. My point is not so much to determine exactly the visibility and the level of JFK Jr.’s skill, but rather to demonstrate a concerted effort to distort credible reports on these matters, with the obvious intention to convince the public that the lack of visibility and John’s inexperience are sufficient explanations for his plane crash, although in fact, they are not.

    Fake news on visibility

    Even the NTSB initial report (July 20, 1999) noted that there was no report of “significant meteorological conditions” along the flight. We also read

    “At about 6:30 on the night of the accident, the pilot received an Internet weather forecast for flight from Teterboro, New Jersey, to Hyannis, Massachusetts. The report was for VFR (visual flight rules) weather, visibility 6 to 8 miles.”

    So two hours before taking off, JFK Jr. received a forecast of very good flying conditions. The NTSB final report also quotes the Martha’s Vineyard tower manager as stating:

    “The visibility, present weather, and sky condition at the approximate time of the accident was probably a little better than what was being reported. I say this because I remember aircraft on visual approaches saying they had the airport in sight between 10 and 12 miles out. I do recall being able to see those aircraft and I do remember seeing the stars out that night.”

    This tower manager must be Marvin Wyatt, interviewed for the Boston Globe: “Marvin Wyatt, a controller at the Martha’s Vineyard Airport tower the night of Kennedy’s flight, said visibility was good at the airport at Kennedy’s expected arrival time.”[50]Mitchell Zuckoff and Matthew Brelis, “Plane fell fast, probe finds,” Boston Globe, July 20, 1999, http://archive.boston.com/news/packages/jfkjr/07209...ll.htm Wayne Madsen quotes an unnamed close friend of JFK Jr. (probably Billy Noonan, who was supposed to meet him that night) who said “that visibility around the Vineyard was clear at 9:41 p.m. when the plane disappeared from the sky.”[51]Wayne Madsen, “JFK Jr.’s Plane Crash Was Originally Treated As Murder Investigation,” August 12, 2009, on http://www.whale.to/c/jfk_jr5.html

    Mainstream news outlet, however, repeated over and over again, in contradiction even to the NTSB report, that the weather was so bad, the fog so thick, that John should have cancelled his plan to fly, had he been a responsible man. FAA Flight Specialist Edward Meyer, who had prepared for the NTSB the FAA’s official report of weather conditions over Martha’s Vineyard on July 16, 1999, and had determined that they were “at least very good,” was disturbed by the way his conclusions were distorted, and released a public statement:

    “Nothing of what I have heard on mainstream media makes any sense to me… The weather along his flight was just fine. A little haze over eastern Connecticut. … I don’t know why the airplane crashed, but what I heard on the media was nothing but garbage.”[52]First reported by John Quinn, “Hard Evidence Obtained of Conspiracy, Cover-up in JFK Jr. Death,” on http://www.angelfire.com/wy/1000/HardEvidence.html, reproduced by Donald Jeffries, Hidden History: An Expose of Modern Crimes, Conspiracies, and Cover-Ups in American Politics, Skyhorse publishing, 2016, kindle k. 3956-61, and by John Koerner, Exploding the Truth: The JFK Jr., Assassination, Chronos Books, 2018, kindle k. 1228-46.

    One of the most dubious witnesses brought forward by the corporate media to support their claim of fatal visibility was Kyle Bailey. Here is how the Washington Post introduced him on July 21st:

    “Kyle Bailey, 25, a pilot with more than a decade of flying experience who also keeps his plane at Essex County Airport and who frequently flies the same route as Kennedy — Fairfield to the Vineyard — took special note of Kennedy that night because Bailey had just decided against making the flight. / Bailey said he feared the combination of darkness and haze could be treacherous, causing him to lose sight of the horizon, lose his bearings, maybe even lose control of his plane. Visibility was four to five miles in Fairfield due to haze, near the margin for flying by visual rules, as opposed to instruments.”[53]Dale Russakoffand Lynne Duke, “JFK Jr.’s Joyful, Fateful Final Hours,” Washington Post, July 21, 1999, https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1999...92747c

    According to the NY Daily News of the same day, Bailey said:

    “I saw him taxi [drive the plane on ground to prepare for take off], and I saw him take off. I [later] told my family, ‘I can’t believe he’s going up in this weather.’ At night, you don’t know where the sky ends and the ocean begins. You have no sight of the horizon. It can give you a false sense of flying level.”

    “Bailey,” commented the Daily News, “was staggered by what he feared was another ghastly Kennedy tragedy. ‘It never seems to end for this family,’ he said. ‘He’s so young, with a life full of promise.’”[54]Dave Saltonstall, Austin Fenner, Helen Kennedy And Greg B. Smith, “John F. Kennedy Jr. went missing after taking a flight with his wife and her sister in 1999,” New York Daily News, July 18, 1999, on http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-lost...846379

    How moving! But who is Kyle Bailey, “the last man to see Kennedy alive at the Fairfield airport”? I had no difficulty to find the answer to that question: it happens that Kyle Bailey later became an aviation analyst regularly working for major network and cable televisions such as Fox News, CBS, ABC, NBC, BBC. Bailey even appeared in the documentary Curse on the Kennedys? and very recently in the ABC documentary The Last Days of JFK Jr., aired in January 2019, in which he repeats his story. Can you swallow that blue pill?

    Kyle Bailey at work
    Kyle Bailey at work

    In the same documentary The Last Days of JFK Jr. appears another private pilot by the name of Bob Arnot, who claims to have flown the same night along the same route as John. He declares there was no visibility, to the point that, when approaching Martha’s Vineyard, he could not see any lights at all. Unlike Bailey, who somehow escapted the attention of NTSB investigators, this Bob Arnot is most probably the unnamed pilot mentioned in the NTSB report as follows: “when his global positioning system (GPS) receiver indicated that he was over Martha’s Vineyard, he looked down and ‘…there was nothing to see. There was no horizon and no light. … I turned left toward Martha’s Vineyard to see if it was visible but could see no lights of any kind nor any evidence of the island. … I thought the island might [have] suffered a power failure.’” That testimony completely contradicts Martha’s Vineyard tower manager (Marvin Wyatt), who is quoted in the NTSB report as saying visibility was great. Which shows that the NTSB report is self-contradictory in some areas.

    Now, it is a very small world. You can find on Wikipedia that “Dr. Bob Arnot is a journalist, author, former host of the Dr. Danger reality TV series, and previously medical and foreign correspondent for NBC and CBS.” Can you swallow that too? Or do you start to smell a media conspiracy?

    Was JFK Jr. inexperienced and reckless?

    Let’s now talk about JFK Jr.’s flying experience and skill. Kyle Bailey’s testimony implies that JFK Jr.’s is solely to blame for his own death and for the deaths of his wife and her sister. That view was reinforced by hundreds of comments on air about how inexperienced JFK Jr. was. Just like on weather conditions, the mainstream media gave a grossly negative view of JFK Jr.’s flying experience and skill, unrelated to the NTSB report and to the real testimonies of flight instructors who knew him. The NTSB report reckoned that JFK Jr. had a flight experience of “about 310 hours, of which 55 hours were at night.” During the last fifteen months, he had made 35 flights between Fairfield airport, N.J., and Martha’s Vineyard, including five at night. Three certified flight instructors (CFI) quoted in the report describe John as an “excellent”, “methodical” and “very cautious” pilot. In the early days, some newspapers echoed that view with their own research. John McColgan, JFK Jr.’s federal licensing instructor from Vero Beach, Florida, was interviewed for the Orlando Sentinel, July 18, 1999, and said: “He was an excellent pilot. … In fact, by now he probably has enough hours to be a commercial pilot.”[55]John Quinn, “Was JFK Jr Murdered?”, August 2, 1999, http://www.angelfire.com/wy/1000/WasJFKJR.Murdered.html One the same day, the New York Daily News quoted flight instructors Ralph and Chris describing John as a careful pilot, always checking meticulously “every nut and bolt on the airplane. … He was very safety oriented. … John was a natural in flying.”[56]Michael Daly, NY Daily News, July 18, 1999, quoted from John Koerner, Exploding the Truth: The JFK Jr., Assassination, Chronos Books, 2018, kindle k. 1211-19. On July 21, USA Today published an article titled “Pilot Kennedy was ‘conscientious guy,’” whose lead paragraph said: “John F. Kennedy Jr. attended the Harvard of flight schools, may have had far more flight experience than has been reported and was known at his New Jersey airport for prudence in the cockpit.” The article quoted other people who knew Kennedy as a good pilot.[57]Alan Levin, Kevin Johnson, and Deborah Sharp, “Pilot Kennedy was ‘conscientious guy,’” USA Today, July 21, 1999, quoted in Koermer, Exploding the Truth, op. cit., k. 1211-19.

    But as days passed, major TV channels and newspapers gave a more and more negative assessment of John’s flying skills and of the weather conditions. They emphasized that he didn’t have the proper license to fly with instruments only, as the absence of visibility would have required. It is true that John’s license was for visual flight only, meaning visibility of at least 4 miles. But although John had not yet obtained the license allowing him to fly by instruments only, he had passed the written test and completed the training for the inflight test. According to the flight instructor who trained him, as quoted in the NTSB report, “the pilot’s basic instrument flying skills and simulator work were excellent.” So even if the visibility had been very bad — which it was not — John could have guided his plane safety to the airport, using his autopilot if necessary. According to Scott Meyers, a foremost expert on the death of JFK Jr. who was interviewed for the program “Encounters with the Unexplained: The Kennedy Curse, JFK, Jr.’s, Death – Accident or Assassination?” aired February 15, 2002:

    “The fact that Kennedy knew how to use his plane’s navigational instruments casts serious doubt on the official explanation for the crash, because even if he had gotten lost, his knowledge of the plane’s instruments would have allowed him to flip a switch and allow the autopilot to guide him to a short distance from his runway destination. A little haze should have never stopped him from landing safely.”[58]Quoted in John Koerner, Exploding the Truth, op. cit., k. 1179-95.

    One question has been the focus of much attention from independent researchers: was there a flight instructor as co-pilot in the plane? Officially, there wasn’t. No fourth body was recovered in the wreckage. But strangely enough, one seat was also missing, and conspiracy theorists such as John Hankey have speculated that it might have had a flight instructor’s body seat-belted on it, which might have been spirited away for the sake of building up the story of an incompetent and reckless John. For if John had flown with a flight instructor, then the whole argument of his recklessness falls. Again, I am mentioning this issue here, not to make any definite conclusion, but mainly to point out evidence of a concerted effort to close the case and satisfy the public that JFK Jr. died—and killed his wife and sister-in-law—by his own recklessness.

    JFK Jr. had owned his Piper Saratoga for a little more than two months, and he had never flown it without a flight instructor. He had flown to Martha’s Vineyard 8 times in the previous month with that plane, always with a flight instructor. Since he had his wife and her sister on board, it doesn’t seem like him to fly without an instructor, especially at night. According to Donald Jeffries, “Early reports, such as the one that appeared in the New York Times on July 17, 1999, indicated that a flight instructor was on the plane. JFK Jr.’s George magazine coeditor Richard Blow recounted that Kennedy had told him he was taking a flight instructor with him during their last lunch together.”[59]Donald Jeffries, Hidden History: An Expose of Modern Crimes, Conspiracies, and Cover-Ups in American Politics ,Skyhorse publishing, 2016, kindle k. 3879-81. Then, from the next day on, any mention of a flight instructor on board disappeared. Different explanations were offered for the fact that John flew without a flight instructor that particular night, for the first time on his new plane. His biographer Christopher Andersen writes:

    “On today’s trip up from New Jersey, Jay Biederman, the flight instructor who had recently helped John pass his written instrument test and was preparing him for his instrument flight test, was scheduled to go along as he had several times before. But when Biederman canceled to join his parents on a hiking trip in Switzerland, John made the fateful decision not to find a replacement.”[60]Christopher Andersen, The Good Son: JFK Jr. and the Mother He Loved, Gallery Books, 2014, kindle k. 141-43.

    Curiously, that explanation contradicts a key testimony included in the NTSB final report, of which John Hankey provides a good critical analysis at the end of his film. I quote here the shorter presentation from Donald Jeffries:

    “one of Kennedy’s flight instructors, Robert Merena, told the NTSB, some six months after the crash, that JFK Jr. had turned down his request to fly with him by saying he wanted to “do it alone.” These dramatic, ironic words were reported widely in the establishment press and solidified the image of JFK Jr. as an irresponsible daredevil. Merena’s own lawyer would deny he’d ever made such a statement, and the memorandum produced by the NTSB regarding it was suspiciously irregular, with no date, location, or signature on it. Most crucially, Merena had been interviewed five days after the crash by the NTSB, and he never mentioned anything about this, which would certainly seem to have been a pertinent fact. Merena did tell the NTSB in this early interview, however, that he’d never seen JFK Jr. fly without an instructor.”

    The damning story of John rejecting the offer of a flight instructor and stubbornly insisting to pilot alone was included in the NTSB’s final report and became widely quoted.[61]Ricardo Alonzo-Zaldivar, “Instructor Offered to Fly with JFK Jr., Report Says,” Los Angeles Times, July 7, 2000, http://articles.latimes.com/2000/jul/07/news/mn-49042 Here it is from ABC News on July 7, 2000: “John F. Kennedy Jr. turned down an offer by one of his flying instructors to accompany him the night of his fatal flight to Martha’s Vineyard, saying he ‘wanted to do it alone,’ federal investigators say.” The same could be read in the Los Angeles Times on the same day, and in The New York Times.[62]Koerner, Exploding the Truth, op. cit., k. 1392-1427.

    I personally feel that the question of whether there was a co-pilot in the plane or not cannot be conclusively answered either way. But the important thing here is the strong probability that Robert Merena’s testimony was fabricated or forced, to hammer in the point that there was no co-pilot and that JFK Jr. acted irresponsibly.

    In this whole affair, we cannot prove directly that JFK Jr. was murdered. What we can prove, however, is that federal agencies and mainstream media conspired in a massive fraud, including the concealment of key evidence (the 9:39 call and reports of an explosion), the distortion of facts (visibility and pilot’s ability) and false testimonies (Kyle Bailey and Bob Arnot being the most likely). That can be taken as indirect proof that JFK Jr. was murdered.

    Eight hours of video footage taken by recovery divers might have helped to solve the mystery, but the Navy preferred to destroyed them (Sidney Morning Herald, February 13, 2001)
    Eight hours of video footage taken by recovery divers might have helped to solve the mystery, but the Navy preferred to destroyed them (Sidney Morning Herald, February 13, 2001)

    The National Security protocol

    Truth seekers such as Donald Jeffries, John Koerner or John Hankey have raised important questions concerning the 10 hours (they say 15 hours) it took for a search to begin after the plane was reported missing by Bessette and Kennedy relatives, at 10 p.m. on July 16th, and for the 4 or 5 days it took to locate and retrieve the wreckage and the bodies. The plane was equipped with an Emergency Locator Transmitter (ELT), which sends out a beacon signal in the event of a crash. According to the original UPI article mentioned earlier, “the beacon was heard by the Coast Guard in Long Island, N.Y., at 3:40 a.m. But as the search went on, authorities seemed to discount the relevance of the beacon signal.”[63]UPI article reproduced on http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/JFK_...i.html Was the search intentionally directed away from the crash site during three days, in order for the perpetrators to secretly destroy the evidence from the cockpit voice recorder (the NTSB report says that “its backup battery was missing, and it had retained no data”), remove the log book which John kept in a waterproof box and, more importantly in Hankey’s view, remove the body of the co-pilot (together with the missing seat reported by the NTSB)? That is a possibility that finds support in the testimony of Lieutenant Colonel Richard Stanley of the Civil Air Patrol, who “would report seeing what he thought were Coast Guard helicopters around the crash site at about 7 a.m., hours before the Coast Guard or anyone else arrived.”[64]Jeffries, Hidden History, op. cit. k. 3930-32. For lack of space, I will not dwell on those issues, which are thoroughly discussed by the above-mentioned researchers.

    Rather, let’s focus on the tight military control of all procedures following the tragedy, from the search and rescue missions to the news reporting, all conducted under national security standards. The search was done by military planes and vessels. According to John Koerner, “the military immediately instituted in the hours after the crash a 17-nautical mile no-fly zone, and no entry zone, around the crash site. No civilians or media were allowed in this area until the bodies and wreckage were recovered.” On July 20, 1999, we read in the NTSB report, “the airplane wreckage was located by U.S. Navy divers from the recovery ship, USS Grasp.” Why was the Navy, rather than civilian rescue craft, tasked with the retrieval of JFK Jr.’s crashed airplane?[65]L. C. Vinvent, “On the Elimination of Natural Leaders,” January 22, 2013, https://www.henrymakow.com/on-the-elimination-of-nat...l.html More disturbing still, why did the Pentagon take control of news reporting from July 18?

    Pentagon Press conference, from Hankey’s Dark Legacy II (24:08)
    Pentagon Press conference, from Hankey’s Dark Legacy II (24:08)

    There are issues also with the autopsies. Joanna Weiss and Matthew Brelis of the Boston Globe wrote on July 23, 1999, in an article headlined “JFK Autopsy Rushed”:

    “the autopsies in the Kennedy case were performed especially quickly, pathologists said. The remains were taken to a Bourne hospital at about 7:15 p.m. Wednesday night and released to the victims’ families at 11 p.m., according to the medical examiner’s office and the Cape and Islands district attorney’s office. / Many jurisdictions refuse to perform autopsies at night, said Robert Kirschner, a former deputy chief medical examiner for Cook County, Ill. The haste in this case, he said, could lead to questions about the investigation’s thoroughness. … The timing of the Kennedy investigation, Kirschner said, makes it unlikely that pathologists performed autopsies on Carolyn Bessette Kennedy or Lauren Bessette. ‘You can’t possibly do three investigations in four hours,’ he said.”[66]Joanna Weiss and Matthew Brelis, “JFK Autopsy Rushed,” Boston Globe, July 23, 1999, http://archive.boston.com/news/packages/jfkjr/0722_...er.htm

    But, to me, the most suspicious thing of all is the way the bodies were disposed of after their rushed autopsies: they were cremated in Duxbury’s cemetery crematorium. Then their remains were taken aboard the Navy destroyer Briscoe, and scattered into the sea, near the place where they had found their death.

    Why? “The burial for the 35th president’s son,” noted local Duxbury journalist Paula Maxwell, “was reportedly carried out in keeping with his expressed wishes.”[67]Paula Maxwell, “Kennedy Cremated in Duxbury,” Duxbury Clipper, July 28, 1999. The Boston Globe reported on July 22 , “Kennedy’s family requested a burial at sea, and the Pentagon granted that request.”[68]Mitchell Zuckoff, “Bodies of 3 are recovered,” Boston Globe, July 22, 1999, http://archive.boston.com/news/packages/jfkjr/bodie...ed.htm But, the next day, the same newspaper expressed surprise:

    “The cremated remains of John F. Kennedy Jr., his wife, and her sister were cast from a warship to the ocean currents in a manner not favored by the Catholic Church and in a ceremony that occurred only after the intercession of Pentagon brass. The Roman Catholic Church prefers the presence of a body at its funeral rites. And the Defense Department rarely accords the honor of burial at sea to civilians.”[69]Quoted in Jeffries, Hidden History, op. cit., k. 4121-25.

    Moreover, no other Kennedy had ever been cremated. The reasons given for cremating JFK Jr. body do not make any sense and are contradictory. The New York Times wrote: “Kennedy family members, citing his wishes and hoping to avoid having a spectacle made of Mr. Kennedy’s final resting place, have decided to have his body cremated and his ashes scattered at sea in a Navy ceremony, a family adviser said.”[70]Mike Allen, “Bodies From Kennedy Crash Are Found,” New York Times, July 22, 1999, https://www.nytimes.com/1999/07/22/us/bodies-from-ke...d.html Can we believe that the Kennedy family, who had always showed respect for Catholic traditions, wanted no grave for JFK Jr., by fear that his grave might become a pilgrimage site? And can we believe that John, at age 39, had expressed “his wish” to be cremated? CNN added more bizarre explanations to that already incredible story:

    “Sen. Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, had requested the burial at sea, saying it was his nephew’s wish to be cremated and his ashes spread on the waves. The request was approved by Defense Secretary William Cohen. / The family of the Bessette sisters requested that the two women be buried in the same ceremony, the Pentagon said. / John Jr., like his father, the late President John F. Kennedy, had a love of the sea. He spent many summers sailing and kayaking the waters where his plane crashed. / Pentagon officials tell CNN there are two grounds for granting permission for a naval burial at sea. First, there is a provision allowing for such burials for people providing “notable service or outstanding contributions to the United States. / Also, protocol allows sea burials for the children of decorated Navy veterans. President Kennedy was a naval officer wounded and cited for heroism in World War II.”[71]“Remains of JFK Jr., wife and sister-in-law buried at sea,” July 22, 1999, http://edition.cnn.com/US/9907/22/kennedy.plane.07/

    How ridiculous! JFK was a decorated Navy veteran, and he surely loved sailing, yet he was buried in Arlington. It seems to me unconceivable that JFK Jr. would not have wished to be buried near his father. Even Pierre Salinger asked to be buried at Arlington Cemetery, not far from JFK. It is just as unbelievable that the Bessettes, who are said to hold John responsible for their daughters’ death, and to have received 10 million dollars in compensation from the Kennedys, would decide just the same. According to information found in RFK Jr.’s diary, published by the New York Post, Ann Freeman, Carolyn and Lauren Bessette’s mother, “began asking that her two daughters be buried near her home in Greenwich, Connecticut.” It was Edwin Schlossberg, Caroline Kennedy’s wife, who convinced her to have her two daughters cremated and their ashes spread in the ocean. “He bullied, bullied, bullied the shattered grieving mother,” writes RFK Jr., also commenting: “All the Bessette family knows that Ed hated Carolyn and did everything in his power to make her life miserable.” After Carole Radziwill, the wife of Anthony Radziwill, JFK Jr.’s cousin and close friend, complained to RFK Jr. about Schlossberg, RFK Jr. wrote in his diary: “She says she wants to start an ‘I hate Ed Club.’ There would be many, many members. John & Carolyn would have certainly applied.”[72]Michael Zennie, “The Kennedys fought Over Where Bodies Would Be Buried… “, Daily Mail, November 3, 2013, on https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2486083/Ken...n.html That surely makes us wonder about Edwin Schlossberg’s interest in the whole affair.

    Navy destroyer USS Biscoe, where the funeral ceremony took place
    Navy destroyer USS Biscoe, where the funeral ceremony took place

    Who did it?

    So, have we proven without a reasonable doubt that JFK Jr. was assassinated? Admittedly, no. None of the elements analyzed above is entirely conclusive by itself. Perhaps, after all, Todd Burgun was mistaken about John’s radio call to Martha’s Vineyard airport at 9:39 (but why didn’t he come forward to retract his statement?). Perhaps Victor Pribanic lied, or mistook he sound of John’s plane crashing into the Ocean for an airborn explosion (but what about the other witnesses?). Perhaps, among the conflicting reports about the visibility, we should give the benefit of the doubt to the worst reports. Perhaps Kyle Bailey, the last man to see JFK Jr. alive, was really there, before becoming an aviation analyst expert regularly appearing on Fox News Channel, Fox Business Network, MSNBC, CNBC, The Weather Channel, CBS, ABC, NBC, BBC, CTV, I24 News, and HLN, as his LinkedIn account says. And perhaps we should trust Bob Arnot too. Perhaps flight instructor Robert Merena did suddenly remember in January 2000 that JFK Jr. had rejected his offer to fly with him because “he wanted to do it alone.” Perhaps John Junior, at age 39, did ask to be cremated and his ashes spread into the ocean he loved so much. And so on.

    It is the accumulation of such doubtful elements that is hard to accept. It is also the military control over the operations, right down to news reporting from the Pentagon, which is odd. Add the fact that the regional director of the NTSB in charge of the investigation, Robert Pearce, according to his official profile, later “briefed State Department officials and the Egyptian Ambassador in the wake of the EgyptAir Flight 990 crash [the jet plane that crashed into the Atlantic Ocean after leaving JFK airport, with 33 high ranking Egyptian military officers on board, allegedly by the fault of a suicidal Egyptian co-pilot] as well as supported the FBI on scene at the World Trade Center in the aftermath of the events of September 11, 2001.” I sure wouldn’t trust Robert Pearce to investigate my own plane crash.

    In the final analysis, it is the explanation of the crash that is strikingly implausible. As Anthony Hilder put it:

    “A finely-tuned, well-kept first-class airplane doesn’t just drop out of the sky and head straight down into the ocean unless it’s blown out of the sky or the pilot deliberately sends it into a dive to kill himself and his passengers.”[73]Anthony Hilder, “The explosive story: a Second Opinion on the Kennedy Crash,” Free World Alliance, read on http://netowne.com/conspiracy/konformist/kennedy.htm.

    There is evidence of an accumulation of deliberate omissions, lies and false testimonies from the NTSB investigation to mainstream reporting, in order to blame the plane crash on the pilot alone, regardless of inconsistencies. And so, between accident and assassination, I lean strongly toward assassination.

    Who orchestrated the plot, then? Behind every Kennedy assassination, John Hankey sees the Bushs, heirs to the Nazis, he insists. Hankey belongs to the category of half-truthers who would rather see the hands of Nazis than of the Mossad. He believes JFK Jr. named his magazine George as a way to “tell everyone who he thought killed his father, by hiding the answer in plain sight.” Hankey doesn’t suspect the Clintons at all. Neither does John Koerner, who starts his book Exploding the Truth by a chapter for “exonerating the Clintons”: the Clintons loved the Kennedys so much they would never have done them harm, he wants us to believe.[74]Another artile of the same vein: https://www.popdust.com/conspiracy-theory-thursdayjf...3.html

    Donald Jeffries is more rational when suggesting to add John F. Kennedy Jr. to the list of the notorious “Clinton Body Count”, which already includes quite many deaths by plane crash: Victor Raiser, the Clinton presidential campaign’s national finance cochairman (July 30, 1992), Dr. Stanley Heard, a member of Clinton’s health-care advisory committee (September 10, 1993), Hershel Friday, Clinton’s Finance Committee chairman (March 1, 1994). After all, the Navy takeover of the rescue and recovery missions, and the whole national security protocol around the case, can only have been ordered by President Clinton. Roger Stone, a longtime aide to President Richard Nixon and investigator into JFK’s death, believes the Clintons ordered the murder of JFK Jr.’s because he was planning to run for the Senate seat that Hillary coveted.[75]Darren Boyle “Conspiracy theorist claims Hillary Clinton ‘murdered’ John F Kennedy Jnr because he was planning to run for the same senate seat as her in shocking new book,” MailOnline, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3539583/Con...k.html

    Yet the Clintons certainly had nothing to do with JFK or RFK’s assassinations. So whatever role they played in the case of JFK Jr.’s assassination, they must have been part of a larger scheme. Even if Hillary had a motive to eliminate JFK Jr. from the New York Senate race, I don’t think she would have gotten away with it without higher protections. Let us not forget also that, in all Kennedy assassinations, the key factor for success is the complicity of the mainstream media for more 50 years. The Clintons don’t own the media.

    Like Michael Collins Piper long before me, and like Ron Unz more recently, I believe that Israel assassinated both JFK and RFK. From there follows naturally the hypothesis that Israel also killed JFK Jr., and for the very same reason as they killed RFK: to prevent him from ever reaching the White House and reopening the investigation on his father’s death. When I say “Israel”, I mean it in the broad sense, as including all the Machiavellian crypto-Zionists infiltrated in all layers of the U.S. power structure, including corporate media.

    Israel not just assassinate Kennedys. They keep assassinating their memory, through a constant flow of anti-Kennedy books attacking their character and vilifying their family. This is what JFK researcher James DiEugenio calls “the posthumous assassination of JFK,” the obsession to “smother any legacy that might linger”; for “assassination is futile if a man’s ideas live on through others.”[76]James DiEugenio, “The Posthumous Assassination of JFK”, in The Assassinations: Probe Magazine on JFK, MLK, RFK, and Malcolm X, edited by Jim DiEugenio and Lisa Pease, Feral House, 2003. Take for example pseudo-biographer C. David Heymann, who after working for the Mossad in Israel (from his own admission), returned to the U.S. only to write Kennedy biographies, including the salacious Bobby and Jackie: A Love Story, and went on, after JFK Jr.’s death, to claim a ten-year secret acquaintance with him in order to fill the media with rubbish.[77]Andrew Goldman, Observer, August 2, 199, “Kennedy ‘Expert’ C. David Heymann: Do His J.F.K. Jr. Stories Hold Up?”, http://observer.com/1999/08/kennedy-expert-c-david-...ld-up/ Read also David Cay Johnston, “C. David Heymann’s Lies About JFK and Jackie, Marilyn Monroe and Elizabeth Taylor”, Newsweek Magazine, August 27, 2014, http://www.newsweek.com/2014/09/05/c-david-heymanns...6.html Why do publishers and mainstream media keep taking Heymann seriously? Why does the New York Post give a positive review of his latest book, American Legacy: The Story of John and Caroline Kennedy (2007), which portrays John Junior as a “novice pilot” who boarded his plane half-drunk and under heavy medication (“Vicodin to relieve the pain of a recently broken ankle, plus Ritalin for attention-deficit disorder and medication for a thyroid problem”), who took off while “the haze had already grown thick and viscous,” and who spent the last 30 seconds of his life “not knowing up from down, frantically pulling at his plane’s controls in a panicked attempt to right its deadly spiral,” “with whirling instruments sending him messages he couldn’t read”?[78]Elizabeth Wolff, “Inside JFK JR.’s Daze of Doom”, New York Post, June 17, 2007, https://nypost.com/2007/06/17/inside-jfk-jr-s-daze-o...-doom/

    The Jewish elites have hated the Kennedys ever since Joseph Kennedy, as U.S. ambassador in London, tried to prevent Roosevelt from entering World War II, resigned when he did, and then complained that “the Jews have won the war.”[79]Quoted in Herbert Druks, John F. Kennedy and Israel, Praeger Security International, 2005, p. 10 Kennedys must pay for “the sins of the father,” as Ronald Kessler titled his book (The Sins of the Father: Joseph P. Kennedy and the Dynasty He Founded, 1996), a not-so-subtle reference to Exodus 20:5 asserting Yahweh’s right of vengeance on three generations. The Jewish elites also hated the Kennedys for everything they represented, including a very strong sense of blood kinship that Jews prefer Gentiles not to have.

    Paradoxically, in a nation founded on the rejection of monarchy, the Kennedys embodied the idea of ​​royalty, the highest form of a dynastic aristocracy founded not just on the accumulation of wealth and power, but on a patriotic dedication to civil service. It is as if the archetype of royalty had crystallized in the United States on this family, to the point that the name of King Arthur’s court, Camelot, has stuck to their legend. The Kennedys also embodied the Irish Catholic root of the American people, with its deep-seated antagonism to British puritanism, the more Israel-friendly branch of Christianity, which has come to dominate American politics since Lyndon Johnson (“Our First Jewish President” as one American Jewish newspaper calls him).[80]Morris Smith, “Our First Jewish President Lyndon Johnson? – an update!!,” 5 Towns Jewish Times, April 11, 2013, on 5tjt.com. From this point of view, the triple assassination of President Kennedy, his younger brother and his only son are the equivalent in Western Christendom of the extermination of the Romanov family in Orthodox Russia. And I believe that, just like Russia with the Tsar family, America will only be great again when it opens the archives and honors the Kennedys as national martyrs of a foreign power.

    But wait: there is still one male heir to John F. Kennedy: Jack Schlossberg, son of Caroline Kennedy and Edwin Schlossberg. Will he become “our first Jewish president,” asks Rabbi Jeffrey Salkin? I don’t know, but I’m pretty sure he won’t be assassinated.

    Notes

    [1] https://www.ntsb.gov/news/press-releases/Pages/NTSB_NTSB_releases_final_report_on_investigation_of_crash_of_aircraft_piloted_by_John_F._Kennedy_Jr.aspx

    [2] Pierre Salinger, “Mourned for what he might have been,” UPI, August 6, 1999, reproduced on http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfksalinger.shtml

    [3] Dave Saltonstall, Austin Fenner, Helen Kennedy And Greg B. Smith, “John F. Kennedy Jr. went missing after taking a flight with his wife and her sister in 1999,” New York Daily News, July 18, 1999, on http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-lost-vineyard-wife-sis-craft-t-article-1.846379

    [4] Laurence Leamer, Sons of Camelot: The Fate of an American Dynasty, HarperCollins, 2005, kindle, k. 225-67.

    [5] Jackie’s words reported by Pierre Salinger, quoted from Christopher Andersen, The Good Son, JFK Jr. and the Mother He Loved, Gallery Boosk, 2014, kindle, k. 1912-4.

    [6] Andersen, The Good Son, op. cit., k. 1645-52

    [7] Andersen, The Good Son, k. 1962-7.

    [8] Pierre Salinger, “Mourned for what he might have been,” UPI, August 6, 1999, reproduced on http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfksalinger.shtml

    [9] Olivier Royant, John, le dernier des Kennedy, Éditions de l’Observatoire, 2018.

    [10] Andersen, The Good Son, op. cit., k. 671-3

    [11] John Quinn, “Like Father Like Son”, http://www.angelfire.com/ms/leg/JFK.html

    [12] Pierre Salinger, “Mourned for what he might have been,” UPI, August 6, 1999, reproduced on http://www.orwelltoday.com/jfksalinger.shtml

    [13] Andersen, The Good Son, op. cit., k. 4300-4309

    [14] Andersen, The Good Son, op. cit., k. 4808-11.

    [15] Read Robert D. McFadden’s report on https://ia801309.us.archive.org/10/items/nsia-KennedyJohnFJr/nsia-KennedyJohnFJr/Kennedy%20John%20F%20Jr%2002.pdf

    [16] Liz McNeil, “Would JFK Jr. Have Run for President? His Best Friends Reveal His Last Days”, July 19, 2016, https://people.com/celebrity/john-f-kennedy-jr-for-president-jfks-sons-political-ambition/

    [17] Dominique Page, “Kennedy Junior: La pure hypothèse de l’assassinat,” https://largeur.com/?p=147

    [18] Joe Siegel, “JFK Jr. Mulled Run For Senate in 2000,” New York Daily News, July 20, 1999, http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/jfk-jr-mulled-run-senate-2000-article-1.847866

    [19] Liz McNeil, “Would JFK Jr. Have Run for President? His Best Friends Reveal His Last Days”, July 19, 2016, https://people.com/celebrity/john-f-kennedy-jr-for-president-jfks-sons-political-ambition/

    [20] Matt Donnelly, “JFK Jr Would Have Run for President in 2016, Top Aide Says,” The Wrap, July 29, 2016, https://www.thewrap.com/jfk-jr-would-have-run-for-president-in-2016-top-aide-says/ Asked for People magazine if she tought JFK Jr. would have run for president, Terenzio answers: “I do think that eventually he would have made the leap” (video on https://people.com/celebrity/john-f-kennedy-jr-for-president-jfks-sons-political-ambition/ at 3 minutes).

    [21] Liz McNeil, “Would JFK Jr. Have Run for President? His Best Friends Reveal His Last Days”, July 19, 2016, https://people.com/celebrity/john-f-kennedy-jr-for-president-jfks-sons-political-ambition/

    [22] Joe Siegel, “JFK Jr. Mulled Run For Senate in 2000,” New York Daily News, July 20, 1999, http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/jfk-jr-mulled-run-senate-2000-article-1.847866

    [23] Christopher Andersen, The Good Son: JFK Jr. and the Mother He Loved, Gallery Books, 2014, kindle k. 4918-44.

    [24] Read on Google.books. The audio recording of the book is on Youtube: this passage starts at 7:52.

    [25] Wayne Madsen, “JFK Jr.’s Plane Crash Was Originally Treated As Murder Investigation,” August 12, 2009, on http://www.whale.to/c/jfk_jr5.html

    [26] Andrew Collins, “Hillary Clinton & The Mysterious Death of JFK Jr.,” May 8, 2016, http://pmnightlynews.com/index.php/2016/05/08/clinton-jfk-investigation/

    [27] Laurence Leamer, Sons of Camelot: The Fate of an American Dynasty, HarperCollins, 2005, kindle k. 8297, quoted in Keith J. Kelly, “JFK Jr. Mad at Hill Senate Run: Book,” New York Post, March 16, 2004, https://nypost.com/2004/03/16/jfk-jr-mad-at-hill-senate-run-book/

    [28] Quoted in John Koerner, Exploding the Truth: The JFK Jr., Assassination, Chronos Books, 2018, kindle k. 540-45.

    [29] Quoted in Koerner, Exploding the Truth, op. cit., k. 540-5.

    [30] https://midnightwriternews.com/mwn-episode-093-donald-jeffries-and-the-death-of-jfk-jr/

    [31] Wayne Madsen, “JFK Jr.’s Plane Crash Was Originally Treated As Murder Investigation,” Wayne Madsen Report, August 12, 2009, on http://www.whale.to/c/jfk_jr5.html. Madsen told more details to Jeffries, who reports them in his book Hidden History: An Expose of Modern Crimes, Conspiracies, and Cover-Ups in American Politics, Skyhorse publishing, 2016, kindle k. 3981.

    [32] Pierre Salinger, “TWA 800: The Truth Is Out There; Tell It,” Georgetowner, May 27, 1999, https://georgetowner.com/articles/2013/07/22/salingers-accusations-about-twa-flight-800-resurface-new-documentary/

    [33] Philip Weiss, “Radar Shows ‘Getaway Boat’ Fleeing Flight 800 Crash,” The Oberver, July 12, 1999, https://observer.com/1999/07/radar-shows-getaway-boat-fleeing-flight-800-crash/

    [34] Gordon Thomas, Gideon’s Spies: The Secret History of the Mossad, St. Martin’s Griffin, 2015, p. 95-99.

    [35] Guela Amir, “A Mother’s Defense”, George, March 1997, reproduced on groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/soc.culture.usa/P-mc7BFF1Nc/K3S6Bizg-U4J

    [36] Barry Chamish, “The Murder of JFK Jr – Ten Years Later,” www.barrychamish.com, reproduced on www.rense.com/general87/tenyrs.htm

    [37] Barry Chamish, “A Zionist Looks at Final Judgment,” www.barrychamish.com, reproduced on https://rense.com/politics5/zionist.htm

    [38] Laurence Leamer, Sons of Camelot: The Fate of an American Dynasty, HarperCollins, 2005, kindle k. 225-67.

    [39] Wayne Madsen, “JFK Jr.’s Plane Crash Was Originally Treated As Murder Investigation,” August 12, 2009, on http://www.whale.to/c/jfk_jr5.html

    [40] Mitchell Zuckoff and Matthew Brelis, “Plane fell fast, probe finds,” Boston Globe, July 20, 1999, http://archive.boston.com/news/packages/jfkjr/072099_plane_fell.htm

    [41] UPI article saved on http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/JFK_JR/upi.html

    [42] John Quinn, “Hard Evidence Obtained of Conspiracy, Cover-up in JFK Jr. Death,” on http://www.angelfire.com/wy/1000/HardEvidence.html

    [43] Donald Jeffries, Hidden History: An Expose of Modern Crimes, Conspiracies, and Cover-Ups in American Politics, Skyhorse publishing, 2016, kindle k. 3908-14.

    [44] Mitchell Zuckoff and Matthew Brelis, “Plane fell fast, probe finds,” Boston Globe, July 20, 1999, http://archive.boston.com/news/packages/jfkjr/072099_plane_fell.htm

    [45] Dave Saltonstall and Bill Hutchinson, “Angler May Have Heard Crash,” New York Daily News, July 21, 1999, http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/angler-heard-crash-article-1.846018

    [46] Anthony Hilder’s article, “The explosive story: a Second Opinion on the Kennedy Crash,” Free World Alliance, was recently accessible at http://netowne.com/conspiracy/konformist/kennedy.htm, from which I secured a copy, but is no more.

    [47] John DiNardo, “JFK Jr. Sky Flash Reporter Unapproachable”, August 9, 1999, on https://rense.com/politics4/jekunap.htm. Also in John Quinn, “JFK Plane Explosion Eyewitness ‘Compromised’ And/Or Missing,” 8-6-99, http://pages.suddenlink.net/anomalousimages/images/news/news489.html

    [48] Mitchell Zuckoff and Matthew Brelis, “Plane fell fast, probe finds,” Boston Globe, July 20, 1999, http://archive.boston.com/news/packages/jfkjr/072099_plane_fell.htm

    [49] Jeb Burnside, “Revisiting JFK, Jr.,” Aviation Safety Magazine, June 2016, http://www.aviationsafetymagazine.com/issues/36_6/features/Revisiting-JFK-Jr_11190-1.html

    [50] Mitchell Zuckoff and Matthew Brelis, “Plane fell fast, probe finds,” Boston Globe, July 20, 1999, http://archive.boston.com/news/packages/jfkjr/072099_plane_fell.htm

    [51] Wayne Madsen, “JFK Jr.’s Plane Crash Was Originally Treated As Murder Investigation,” August 12, 2009, on http://www.whale.to/c/jfk_jr5.html

    [52] First reported by John Quinn, “Hard Evidence Obtained of Conspiracy, Cover-up in JFK Jr. Death,” on http://www.angelfire.com/wy/1000/HardEvidence.html, reproduced by Donald Jeffries, Hidden History: An Expose of Modern Crimes, Conspiracies, and Cover-Ups in American Politics, Skyhorse publishing, 2016, kindle k. 3956-61, and by John Koerner, Exploding the Truth: The JFK Jr., Assassination, Chronos Books, 2018, kindle k. 1228-46.

    [53] Dale Russakoffand Lynne Duke, “JFK Jr.’s Joyful, Fateful Final Hours,” Washington Post, July 21, 1999, https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1999/07/21/jfk-jrs-joyful-fateful-final-hours/308a73e7-5bfb-4995-a25c-38e0f3cbbd08/?utm_term=.35b9f292747c

    [54] Dave Saltonstall, Austin Fenner, Helen Kennedy And Greg B. Smith, “John F. Kennedy Jr. went missing after taking a flight with his wife and her sister in 1999,” New York Daily News, July 18, 1999, on http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/plane-lost-vineyard-wife-sis-craft-t-article-1.846379

    [55] John Quinn, “Was JFK Jr Murdered?”, August 2, 1999, http://www.angelfire.com/wy/1000/WasJFKJR.Murdered.html

    [56] Michael Daly, NY Daily News, July 18, 1999, quoted from John Koerner, Exploding the Truth: The JFK Jr., Assassination, Chronos Books, 2018, kindle k. 1211-19.

    [57] Alan Levin, Kevin Johnson, and Deborah Sharp, “Pilot Kennedy was ‘conscientious guy,’” USA Today, July 21, 1999, quoted in Koermer, Exploding the Truth, op. cit., k. 1211-19.

    [58] Quoted in John Koerner, Exploding the Truth, op. cit., k. 1179-95.

    [59] Donald Jeffries, Hidden History: An Expose of Modern Crimes, Conspiracies, and Cover-Ups in American Politics ,Skyhorse publishing, 2016, kindle k. 3879-81.

    [60] Christopher Andersen, The Good Son: JFK Jr. and the Mother He Loved, Gallery Books, 2014, kindle k. 141-43.

    [61] Ricardo Alonzo-Zaldivar, “Instructor Offered to Fly with JFK Jr., Report Says,” Los Angeles Times, July 7, 2000, http://articles.latimes.com/2000/jul/07/news/mn-49042

    [62] Koerner, Exploding the Truth, op. cit., k. 1392-1427.

    [63] UPI article reproduced on http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/CRASH/JFK_JR/upi.html

    [64] Jeffries, Hidden History, op. cit. k. 3930-32.

    [65] L. C. Vinvent, “On the Elimination of Natural Leaders,” January 22, 2013, https://www.henrymakow.com/on-the-elimination-of-natural.html

    [66] Joanna Weiss and Matthew Brelis, “JFK Autopsy Rushed,” Boston Globe, July 23, 1999, http://archive.boston.com/news/packages/jfkjr/0722_coroner.htm

    [67] Paula Maxwell, “Kennedy Cremated in Duxbury,” Duxbury Clipper, July 28, 1999.

    [68] Mitchell Zuckoff, “Bodies of 3 are recovered,” Boston Globe, July 22, 1999, http://archive.boston.com/news/packages/jfkjr/bodies_recovered.htm

    [69] Quoted in Jeffries, Hidden History, op. cit., k. 4121-25.

    [70] Mike Allen, “Bodies From Kennedy Crash Are Found,” New York Times, July 22, 1999, https://www.nytimes.com/1999/07/22/us/bodies-from-kennedy-crash-are-found.html

    [71] “Remains of JFK Jr., wife and sister-in-law buried at sea,” July 22, 1999, http://edition.cnn.com/US/9907/22/kennedy.plane.07/

    [72] Michael Zennie, “The Kennedys fought Over Where Bodies Would Be Buried… “, Daily Mail, November 3, 2013, on https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2486083/Kennedys-fought-bodies-buried-JFK-Jr-plane-crash-bullied-heartbroken-mother-wife-Carolyn.html

    [73] Anthony Hilder, “The explosive story: a Second Opinion on the Kennedy Crash,” Free World Alliance, read on http://netowne.com/conspiracy/konformist/kennedy.htm.

    [74] Another artile of the same vein: https://www.popdust.com/conspiracy-theory-thursdayjfk-jr-was-murdered-and-you-wont-believe-who-1892591783.html

    [75] Darren Boyle “Conspiracy theorist claims Hillary Clinton ‘murdered’ John F Kennedy Jnr because he was planning to run for the same senate seat as her in shocking new book,” MailOnline, http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3539583/Conspiracy-theorist-claims-Hillary-Clinton-murdered-John-F-Kennedy-Jnr-planning-run-senate-seat-shocking-new-book.html

    [76] James DiEugenio, “The Posthumous Assassination of JFK”, in The Assassinations: Probe Magazine on JFK, MLK, RFK, and Malcolm X, edited by Jim DiEugenio and Lisa Pease, Feral House, 2003.

    [77] Andrew Goldman, Observer, August 2, 199, “Kennedy ‘Expert’ C. David Heymann: Do His J.F.K. Jr. Stories Hold Up?”, http://observer.com/1999/08/kennedy-expert-c-david-heymann-do-his-jfk-jr-stories-hold-up/ Read also David Cay Johnston, “C. David Heymann’s Lies About JFK and Jackie, Marilyn Monroe and Elizabeth Taylor”, Newsweek Magazine, August 27, 2014, http://www.newsweek.com/2014/09/05/c-david-heymanns-career-serial-fabulist-266876.html

    [78] Elizabeth Wolff, “Inside JFK JR.’s Daze of Doom”, New York Post, June 17, 2007, https://nypost.com/2007/06/17/inside-jfk-jr-s-daze-of-doom/

    [79] Quoted in Herbert Druks, John F. Kennedy and Israel, Praeger Security International, 2005, p. 10

    [80] Morris Smith, “Our First Jewish President Lyndon Johnson? – an update!!,” 5 Towns Jewish Times, April 11, 2013, on 5tjt.com.

     
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    1. onebornfree says: • Website

      Its da fuckin jooz, DA JOOZ! I tell ya! Da fuckin jooz! It’s all da JOOZ!

      EVERTHIN’ , IT’S ALL DA FUCKIN’ JOOZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      Just thought I’d clear that up, in case there were any doubts 🙂

      Regards, onebornfree

      • Agree: Lot
    2. The elites that control the power structure did not want JFK jr. as a future POTUS so a bomb was placed on his plane and the coverup began!

      • Replies: @Sean
    3. Alden says:

      The comments should be as informative and interesting as the article.

    4. Sean says:

      As Nassim Taleb said in his Antifragile “no getting on a plane not flown by a professional pilot”.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Kennedy#First_years,_brothers’_assassinations

      On June 19, 1964, Kennedy was a passenger in a private Aero Commander 680 airplane that was flying in bad weather from Washington to Massachusetts. The plane crashed into an apple orchard in the western Massachusetts town of Southampton on the final approach to the Barnes Municipal Airport in Westfield.[53][54] The pilot and Edward Moss (one of Kennedy’s aides) were killed.[55] Kennedy was pulled from the wreckage by fellow Senator Birch Bayh[53] and spent months in a hospital recovering from a severe back injury, a punctured lung, broken ribs and internal bleeding.[41] He suffered chronic back pain for the rest of his life as a result of the accident.[56

      “The Civil Aeronautics Board concluded that the probable cause of the [Ted’s] accident was the pilot’s improper operation in instrument conditions”. And this was a professional pilot. “Kick” Kennedy, JFK’s sister, died in a 1948 plane crash.

      • Replies: @niteranger
    5. Sean says:
      @DESERT FOX

      But how did he get his hair to stand up like that?

      • Replies: @Alden
    6. When it did happened there were no reports that there were two women on board.
      The explosion was to me very unusual thing, Very suspicious.

      • Agree: DESERT FOX
      • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    7. JFK jr……dinner time for the Eastern Blue Crab Population…..good riddance!!!….and rot in fucking hell with your father and uncle Teddy…..

      • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
    8. Jake says:

      Jews in significant numbers were out to destroy the Kennedys long before there was a Brit-American WASP creation of the nation of Israel. As ambassador to the UK, Joe Kennedy saw that machinations for a World War 2, and he informed FDR. Of course, FDR was no neutral President: FDR was fully in the heart of the Anglo-Zionist Elite that rules the Anglosphere now as if did then.

      It was easy for WASPs and their Jewish allies to discredit Joe Kennedy: nothing could have been easier than to stir up the anti-Irish hatreds that have been at the heart of WASP culture since Cromwell invaded Ireland, where the last significant number of Catholics resided in the British Isles. The Democrats needed Irish, and other Catholic votes, to capture the White House, but because of unstable conditions ion Europe, the WASP owners of the Democrats, and their partners the Jews, who had become very rich over the previous couple of decades, could manage to neutralizeJoe behind the scenes in the name of patriotism, meaning that they could remind people that the Irish drink too much and are volatile and have irrational hatreds and plot to destroy innocent Anglo Protestants, and when the coming war is over, we can air it all our, but for now let’s neutralize Joe Kennedy quietly and act to save WASP democracy.

      If Joe Kennedy Jr had not died in WW2, they would have killed him, because he was the smartest and toughest of the four brothers.

      The WASPs and their Jewish allies assumed they could control JFK because of his war injury and resulting lifetime of medication, as well as from his having chosen to be a playboy when he assumed Joe Jr would be President. But in the White House, JFK began to understand that US was going to have major troubles if it did not pull out of Vietnam sooner rather than later and it if did not rein in Israel. He likely would have dumped LBJ in ’64, and that was enough to guarantee his death.

      Bobby Kennedy had to go because he was indispensable to John’s movements in understanding how the Brits and their Jewish allies had cost the America that was neither WASP Elite nor Jewish a great deal. Plus, from his time working on organized crime, Bobby Kennedy knew that all big time organized crime was significantly funded by Jews and that at some point, virtually all major Jewish American big business and prominent law firms had direct ties to Jewish organized crime. And as President, Bobby Kennedy would have applied such knowledge to Israel. And so Bobby Kennedy had to be killed.

      I have long assumed that some alliance of CIA and Mossad, meaning WASP and Jewish, was behind Chappaquiddick. No need to kill Teddy, because he was the least intelligent Kennedy brother, as well as the only coward.

      Why risk JFK Jr? Get rid of him before he holds any office. Do not risk any movement growing up around him, because he might turn out to be some combo of his dad and dead uncles.

      So Bobb

      • Agree: DESERT FOX
    9. This article is hogwash.

      When a pilot can no longer see the horizon he doesn’t know which way is up. What happens next is predictable: By misuse of the controls the aircraft quickly enters a spin or spiral dive, which is even more disorienting and terrifying. In confusion and panic the pilot’s improper control inputs quickly over stress the airframe and the plane breaks up in mid air.

      The fact the Kennedy had had instrument flight training is irrelevant. What happened likely happened so fast Kennedy would have add no time to use what little IFR skills he had, assuming that in a panicked state he’d had the presence of mind to recall what he had been taught-which seems highly doubtful.

    10. Many people believe the death of JFK Jr. was indeed a conspiracy, and will spend many hours trying to figure out the who and how. What so many fail to investigate are the strange events that occurred AFTER the supposed murder of JFK Jr., which should raise as many questions as the “who and how”.
      http://www.phoenixsourcedistributors.com/What_Happened_to_John_Kennedy_Jr.pdf

    11. @Ilyana_Rozumova

      His wife and his sisterinlaw were on board and reports by people on the beach at Marthas Vineyard reported an explosion and a flash of light over the ocean where his plane was later found, the coverup was lies and the lies are still going on, just as with the JFK and RFK murders.

      • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
    12. Although I have not been able to read the George article on TWA 800 (I will appreciate a comment from anyone who has), …

      Images of the magazine covers abound, but no one seems to have scanned and made available the entire magazine or just its serious articles. Unless some effort is made at digital preservation, the existence of George magazine will be memory-holed.

      • Replies: @republic
    13. wayfarer says:

      Bill Cooper Warned About the Deep State 20 Years Ago

      • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
    14. geokat62 says:
      @onebornfree

      EVERTHIN’ , IT’S ALL DA FUCKIN’ JOOZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      iffen, is that you?

    15. utu says:

      – Good article.
      – Yitzhak Rabin was in Dallas.
      – I would not use Madsen for anything.

    16. @JoaoAlfaiate

      Agreed. When I took the ground school for my instrument rating the instructor said that the most common observation of a small aircraft crash from the ground, when there is one, is that the plane “exploded.” The disoriented pilot comes out of the clouds in a nose down position, sees the ground coming up, yanks back on the wheel, and the overstressed airframe comes apart. This would be particularly true of a 300 horsepower, six-place retractable like the Piper Saratoga–it’s very “slick” and would build up airspeed very rapidly. An externally-braced fixed-gear aircraft like the Cessna 182 in which John Kennedy trained might have held together, but it probably would made no difference in the low-visibility conditions existing at the time of the accident; the plane would have plunged into the sea intact, but the results would have been just as fatal for pilot and passangers.

      Flying after dark is very tricky. Lots of European countries prohibit VFR flying at night–the pilot must be instrument rated and flying on an instrument flight plan. John Kennedy’s crash was a depressingly common one for a non-instrument rated pilot. His political aspirations do not alter that.

    17. anonymous[739] • Disclaimer says:

      Pretty hard to believe now but John F Kennedy, RFK and especially the father Joe Kennedy were strongly anti Communist from the 40s- 1963 and JFK’s death. Both Joe Kennedy and John F Kennedy had many positive things to say about Hitler.

      President John F Kennedy was strongly anti Communist, anti Castro and tried to have Fidel Castro assassinated. Pro Castro Communists returned the favor and assassinated John F Kennedy in Dallas TX.

      Lee Harvey Oswald was not a Right Wing, Racist Conservative Texan, instead he was a Left wing Free Cuba Communist.

      But the Liberal media led by the likes of Walter Cronkite spun the Kennedy assassination as all the fault of Conservatives in Dallas TX:

      “HATE KILLED PRESIDENT KENNEDY”

      White Conservatives were/are to blame for the murder of the Liberal Camelot Knight in shining armor John F Kennedy because, well…..

      THEY CREATED A CLIMATE OF HATE

      It’s the same now with Black Crime, Bad weather – White selfish Conservatives are supposedly to blame for…

      GLOBAL WARMING/CLIMATE CHANGE

      White Conservatives supposedly have supernatural evil powers to…

      change the climate.

      But after all is said and done, the Kennedy family and the Bush family seem to have fizzled out – thank God.

      Which family did more to destroy our country?

      The Kennedy family or the Bush family, I’m going with the Bush family.

      • Replies: @ben sampson
    18. Mulegino1 says:
      @onebornfree

      Not always by themselves, but if you dig deep enough, you can be damn sure you will find an ample supply of them in any rotten, sordid or murderous venture.

      When someone says, “the Jews” this does not implicate all Jews, just their organized leadership and international elements among them. The latter are inclined, almost as if by nature or instinct, to low criminality and the most overt and shameless effrontery and mendacity. All of the contemporary western elites, nominally Christian or otherwise, mimic the eternal Jew in this respect.

      The Jewish collective made a choice nearly 2000 years ago when it chose to murder incarnate Truth (Logos). The Synagogue of Satan continues along this path, and anyone who stands in its way is destroyed and vilified. The Talmudic injunction to “kill the best of the goyim” has never been more enforced than it is now in the US and the EU; the last 100 years bear ample witness to the homicidal legacy of this most “unpleasant people imaginable.”

      • Agree: DESERT FOX
    19. nsa says:

      Cuck time, folks: JFK Jr the “son” doesn’t look anything like JFK the “father”. As women in general, and western women in particular, are mostly sneaky uncontrollable sluts, every “father” should paternity test his offspring immediately after birth. Just assume if she will bang you, she will bang plenty of others and probably has………

      • Replies: @Mike P
      , @Alden
      , @TitusAlone
    20. @DESERT FOX

      There is a simple explanation. At the times of Kennedy s The internationalists wanted to rule the world through Soviet Union. Rosenberg s are living proof of it. Even if Stalin did kick out Trotsky the core of internationalists did remain in Soviet Union. After fall of Soviet Union internationalists did move to US (And some ordinary Jews moved to Israel.) Once In US after they did get control of the Government they started their ongoing policy of achieving Global rule of the world, under the flag of Democracy. (And naturally in that process the side product was the ruin of US. All spectrum from economy to culture,)

      • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    21. Bidu says:

      I’d like to ask the author if he has any information on the fate of Jay Biederman, the flight instructor. Is he alive? Did he disappear without a trace? It seems to me that the answer to these questions would help us learn if he was or was not in the plane on that night.

    22. @War for Blair Mountain

      Funny how with a little research people will find the truth about JFK and quit worshiping him as some kind of Nationalist, anti-NWO guy when nothing could be further from the truth. His legacy was Public Law 87-297, the globalist plan to disarm America.
      http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/un/do.htm

    23. @Diversity Heretic

      Thanks to you and Joao for the insight.

      Combine your analysis with two other factors: The overconfidence/arrogance of an individual who was the product of a lifetime of pure elitist entitlement, plus what I would say is a 50/50 chance JFK jr was under the influence of alcohol at the time of the crash.

    24. Mike P says:
      @nsa

      Look at this picture – I’d say there is plenty of resemblance.

      • Agree: Liza, bluedog
      • Replies: @Stonehands
    25. sarz says:
      @JoaoAlfaiate

      Okay. Suppose JFK, Jr did crash the plane through recklessness and incompetence. Why all the lies?

    26. sarz says:

      A lot of nasty trolling. It’s like a multi-generational thing. The grandfathers and fathers do their ritual slaughters. And the new ones piss on the graves.

      • Replies: @utu
      , @bluedog
    27. wayfarer says:
      @Diversity Heretic

      I’ve never flown an aircraft, but I have been at the helm of a USCGC, during the night in heavy seas hammered by hurricane force winds. You watch illuminated instruments and try to maintain course, while violently pitching and rolling, as you warily adjust rudders as to avoid matching resonance frequencies, then simply take a fluid-dynamic designed hull on an adrenaline charged dance, together with the powerful indifferent forces of mother nature.

      Not all is predictable, as destiny does have its fate.

      • Replies: @Simply Simon
    28. @Diversity Heretic

      Good comments, you and Joao, so far. I will add that it’s not the exit from the clouds that’s particularly the problem. While in the “soup” as airspeed is built up in this “graveyard spiral”*, the pilot will pull hard to attempt to slow the plane and either break the wings off, as g-forces are already high (2g in a 60-deg bank) or (more likely) just stay in that spiral. You are taught to level the wings first when in a nose-low unusual attitude – opposite the fix when in a nose-high one.

      This one may have started when Kennedy sub-consciously used whatever lights he saw as a horizon. Once he lost his visual orientation, he needed to go to the instruments right away, and do what he was taught. That brings up my next point.

      The rich guys that learn to fly, especially a real big-shot like JFK, Jr, are going to have instructors that baby them some. This is no cut against Kennedy, but who will really drill him and give him hard criticism, when it’s easier to teach him slowly, get the hours flying with him all over, etc? Some guys like this just really need a pilot, but enjoy learning and the flying enough to get licences and ratings, but not work that hard, as if it were all his extra cash. Here’s another thing, and not just about rich flight students – for instrument practice, one MUST get some time, using a safety pilot**, so he can build up confidence and make stupid mistakes safely that he’ll learn not to do next time.

      .

      * No bad joke there – that’s a term everyone including the FAA uses.

      ** There to watch for planes, keep you out of certain airspace, and away from the ground, if you’re really screwing it up … but THAT’S ALL – it’s better the safety pilot is NOT an instrument pilot or student, as you don’t want HINTS.

    29. The little shit couldn’t even read an artificial horizon and an altimeter for God’s sake. If there was a bomb, there was a bomb but you ain’t prved it and Teddy wouldn’t have kept quiet. Absent that, the worse that could happen is he circles back to NJ if he keeps the nose up. He flew his VFR skills into Instrument conditions and was lost in the sauce. Tough shit.

      I buy into his Dad and Uncle Bobby, those were HITS. By people with reasons. JFK jr? Kid was a moron, he didn’t stand a chance once he started flying, the skiing, all the dopey endeavors. Sorry.

    30. Art says:

      They recovered all of the plane – if there was a bomb device – it would be easy to see the bomb damage. It would be a no brainer!

      Hmm????

    31. General comment about the long article now:

      I am not disagreeing with any of the political aspect of Mr. Guyénot’s piece here. I learned a lot – for instance, I’d not thought before about the Hildabeast’s gunning for the NY Governor job at that same time JFK, Jr. was. That and the other theories about who would have wanted to take this guy out are very interesting, plausible at first read, and I have no argument with them.

      When you’re going to discuss something somewhat technical like this, Mr. Guyénot, GO TALK TO A PRIVATE PILOT YOURSELF! (at the very least!)* There is a lot of BS here relating to the flying aspect.

      Look, just because the TV Lyin-Press-heads said the weather was terrible, etc, because they don’t know their asses from holes in the ground is no reason you should act the same way. The weather was not bad at all. It was Visual Meteorological Conditions, but, yeah, at dusk or night and over the water with 5 miles visibility or so, you really do need to spend most of time looking at the instruments.

      .

      * Oh, and listen and learn.

      • Replies: @Steve Naidamast
    32. Some other small quibbles:

      Really, did this single-engine piston Piper Saratoga have a CVR? I didn’t feel like checking it out, but I HIGHLY doubt it. Business jets and turboprops and all airliners have them, but not a single-engine Piper. If anyone knows better, please let me know.

      A/C logbooks may have been in the plane, but, come-on, “waterproofed” might mean in baggies for the rain – not necessarily for staying a few hundred feet under the ocean for a few days. He may have had the books with him, but it’s not a bright thing to do, unless one is heading to somewhere particularly for some maintenance (even then, there are STICKERS – “Come on guys, whaddya need a refresher course. it’s all stickers nowadays!”)

      Bringing aircraft logs with you are a bad idea for 2 reasons:

      a) If you lose them, you’ve lost a significant piece of value in the airplane.
      b) If you get busted for something, why have all kinds of evidence on your person.

      For pilot logbooks, same thing – DON’T bring them:

      a) If you lose them, you’ll lose some memories (yes, I’ve known of them getting dumped on take-off out an unlocked baggage door).
      b) Same reason as (b) above.

    33. Nothing to do with flying here, but about cremation: Why are you saying, Mr. Guyénot, that the burial at sea was so nefarious? They were burying his ashes, you said (which I did not know till I read this). Were they worried about an autopsy on some ashes?! The main thing was why was he cremated to begin with.

    34. @anonymous

      clap trap propaganda this anonymous nonsense is. and the whole goings on here on this thread

      who gained the greatest benefit from the death of JFK..and the installation of LBJ?
      riiiight! the Khazar/WASP capitalists and their global imperialism

      the american conservatives..and Fidel Castro as culpable? are we sure George Carlin is dead and not writing here as anonymous above?

      by interfering in American Affairs would have been just the reason the Americans needed to Blow Cuba out of the water..the Russians be damned. Castro would have been a bloody fool to be so guilty. and Castro was no fool

      then again list for me even one benefit american conservatism gained by JFK assassination?

      american conservatism had nutten to gain and gained the presidency in 1972 due to the incompetence of LBJ, led around by the the Khazar hook through his nose

      as for the Kennedy elites being semi fascist/proto fascist… whats so revealing about that?
      there were capitalist after all..were american royalty because of it. why would they not be fascist? it would be most illogical if they were not.

      young Kennedy, the son of his father, the focal point these goings on here. as was a boy at the time in a far away country but the solemn goings on hooked me deeply..to the point that even now, as I have aged and learned the ball game I still have a small emotional kind of attachment to that family.

      and to top it all off I was catholic too, born and grew right out of Catholicism. but at the time I was deeply catholic..not Irish but Catholic.

      Cuba was too was also a catholic monolith, as was all of Latin America. and we loved Castro too…even more than we loved Kennedy. and we loved Africa too, wallowed in the independence struggles there..as well as the great African leaders of the day, especially Kwame Nkrumah and Patrice Lumumba

      I cannot emphasize this fact enough: JFK killed Patrice Lumumba. JFK through American intelligence sources had Patrice Lumumba killed.

      that was a knife through the heart of the third world as deep, complete and thorough as the bullets that ripped Malcolm X apart in 1965.

      JFK was not part of the Malcolm X assassination he was already dead by that time. JFK was no prince of peace and represented no movement for peace and justice on planet Earth. JFK was a capitalist prince and nothing more. so were all the Kennedy men

      this then proves the Kennedy issue was/is one of internecine white power warfare, and the lines of that warfare is demarcated by religious schism between Catholics and WASP/Khazar. such schism involves the world for the criminal war is for which side of the schism grab it all..the whole world. JFK was killed for related purpose and the WASP/Khazars who killed him wiped out the whole Catholic family to ensure that revenge was not a possibility in the mix

      there is little more simple than figuring out who killed the Kennedy family and why

      and as for John Jr..it does not matter how he died..by murder or by accident..had he survived he would have been killed at some point anyway. there was little more sure in the world than his death before he reached fifty.

      the pot remains filled with the same religious schism and had be become president it would have been as usual who got whom first..the Catholics or the WASP/Khazars

      all this noise about american royalty this and that, Joseph P as great wealth accumulator and thinker, starting up great families his philosophy of great men whose responsibility was to serve etc is nonsense. to serve whom? all JFK did was to serve his wealth..and all he ever would do was to serve his wealth
      there was and is other great wealth in the world whose owners did not and do not see the world as Joseph did..and did not plan the future as Joseph planned it for his own.there is the fatal opposition of the concentrations of wealth and pow in the world. they cannot co-exist at the top of the earthen pyramid. there is room for only one such.

      the Kennedy clan is dead, the Roman Church is all but.. the Catholics are defeated..the WASP/Khazar ascendant. this power base must now neutralize the people..their one remaining obstacle to absolute and permanent global power. Brave New World here we come!

      • Replies: @lysias
      , @Robjil
    35. @Jake

      I have long assumed that some alliance of CIA and Mossad, meaning WASP and Jewish, was behind Chappaquiddick. No need to kill Teddy, because he was the least intelligent Kennedy brother, as well as the only coward.

      What makes you think that he was not supposed to die in that crash? He got out by the skin of his teeth, could not save his companion. What would be a better smear on the Kennedys that Teddy died with some woman in his lap?

      As it turned out, he survived but forever smeared anyway.

    36. @Ilyana_Rozumova

      The zionists took control of the U.S. in 1913 with their privately owned FED and IRS and it has been wars and debt ever since!

    37. It was the foggiest night l ever saw, and l saw plenty of them, growing up on the north shore of Long Island. I was in Glen Cove, right on the water that evening, and remember that visibility was 20 feet out from the beach.

      • Troll: utu
    38. @Mike P

      Haha… you’re kidding, right?

    39. So wait. If I were the son of a President who had been assassinated while in office, and furthermore a son who was planning a political career of my own, why would I use an airplane for travel? It’s almost begging for either an accident or an ‘accident’. It would be like taking up a habit of walking by yourself on dark, moonless nights near the train tracks in a deserted part of town. He made it particularly easy for an assassin to take him out, if that’s what happened.

      • Troll: Che Guava
    40. Che Guava says:

      That is a very good article. I am not a complete subscriber to the Kennedy ‘Camelot’ myth, but so much of interest.

      When very young, I remember reading about George, at first assuming that the glossy format meant that he he was doing a glossy pretend political copy of Andy Warhol’s Interview, and, not being a U.S.A. person, I was buying other print political mags, and truly only ever saw George abt. once. That is how it should be, it had circulation in the U.S.A.. Among other things here, I see that I missed some good ones, but I never saw those on the shelves of import shops.

      At the time, I was assuming that JFK Jr. only wanted to run the mag.

      However, I, too, was paying enough attention to affairs there to see and recall the bizarre timing of his quitting the very successful mag., speaking of entering politics, then suddenly wiped out.

      He certainly did not deserve it.

      OTOH, if he had become prex, I doubt that that he could have done much good, even in getting to the truth of his father’s death, even if he had been able to get a secret briefing, it would be on condition ‘If you tell, we have to kill you, too, so do you want to know?’, and by then, people who were in some cases killed, in many cases dead of
      old age.

      There is a saying in English which I don’t recall correctly, the sense is once, suspicious, maybe an accident, twice, not sure at all, thrice, intention is clear.

      I forgot the rhyme.

      Still can’t see how, though, Sirhan Sirhan was doing anything that had been directed. He had justifiable motive, not to shoot RFK, but to punch him on the nose and jaw, and break both. A pistol is easier.

      What had the Kennedys ever done to keep his people in their homes? Nothing.

      All of these tales of the holy Kennedy clan always have to overlook the basis of Joseph’s fortune in bootlegging in Prohibition times, and JFK’s clear record as a massive philanderer.

      • Replies: @jeff stryker
      , @Alden
    41. Che Guava says:
      @Stonehands

      Do you truly remember the precise visibility from one night 20 years ago?

      Unlikely, and if true, you recall it for reasons other than the plane crash (or likely sabotage).

      • Replies: @Stonehands
    42. @Stonehands

      Bingo. Said it a million times, he flew his VFR skills into instrument conditions. Expressing doubts about whether he could make it in, the girls started nagging. Women!

    43. Che Guava says:
      @jbwilson24

      That is a very foolish and ill-intenioned comment. You are in serious need of harsh self-examination, and seemingly beyond the ability to help yourself in that way, so if you have an easy way to find help, please make haste to find it!

      • Disagree: atlantis_dweller
    44. Che Guava says:
      @restless94110

      ‘Got out by the skin of his teeth’

      (゜ロ゜)

      (*_*)

    45. republic says:
      @James N. Kennett

      use the wayback machine to read it

      • Replies: @James N. Kennett
    46. Interesting article. I believe JFK Jr.’s death was the result of a conspiracy, but the author’s assertion that Mossad was responsible leaves me with doubt. Hillary Clinton was the person who had the most to gain from JFK Jr.’s demise; they were both on the same trajectory: the open New York senate seat, followed by a run to the White House. The Clintons have been shadow government players since at least the 1980s when, while governor, Bill helped facilitate the CIA’s trafficking of guns and drugs in Arkansas, which is a state with a significant Rockefeller presence. The demoness Hillary is where investigators of JFK Jr.’s death should start. Whether that leads to the Mossad, I don’t know. My guess would be a domestic CIA network.

      • Replies: @DESERT FOX
      , @Anonymous
    47. I very much like the writing by Laurent Guyénot and I have read all of the articles by him that I have come across including purchasing his book, “From Yaweh to Zion”.

      And I have no doubt that some insidious form of foul play was what killed JFK Jr. and his wife.

      As one who flew aircraft many years ago I can attest to the fact that on a fog-ridden night it is very easy to succumb to vertigo and crash your plane into the ground. You can do this very easily as well with the current bevy of highly sophisticated aircraft simulations that are available.

      However, JFK Jr. was, to my knowledge, a consummate pilot and would have never attempted such a flight unless he was intsrument rated. As a result, he would have not succumbed to to the effects of vertigo since he would have been concentrating on his instruments.

      Also, I understand that this was basically a night flight, which by law required an instrument rating.

      From these generalizations alone one can see that JFK Jr. would have known how to fly his plane.

      If the eyewitnesses to the explosion are credible along with other supporting evidence than there is no way any legitimate investigation could have concluded with verdict of “pilot error”, unless of course JFK Jr. knowingly took a bomb on board his plane with the intent of blowing himself and his passengers up. A highly unlikely scenario.

      If one were to look at the “only available picture” of JFK Jr.’s aircraft in this piece, even a layperson could see that there is no scarring anywhere to be seen on the debris, which would have been used then to support the stupidity of “pilot error”.

      You can see the same nonsense with the 911 pictures of the Pentagon after it was struck. There is literally no debris in any of those pictures from an aircraft freshly blown to pieces by its strike on the E-wing of the Pentagon.

      Considering the insidiousness of the Clintons, especially Hillary herself, the author paints an excellent portrait of a likely pathway for the support and implementation of an assassination of JFK Jr through her. Given Hillary’s background (and rabid incompetence) in nefarious operations such as the destruction of Libya, I wouldn’t put it past this women to work with other planners to prevent JFK Jr. from obstructing her planned ascent into the US Senate from New York.

      Despite her popularity in New York State, which was somewhat overrated in the media, many never considered her a welcome representative of our state. And JFK Jr. would have wiped the floor with her in a political contest.

    48. @Che Guava

      It was a BIG DEAL when he went down, of course l remember precisely what the fog was like because it was a significant noteworthy weather event. l didn’t know about jrs “aerial misadventure” until later the next day, thickest fog l have ever seen…

      • Replies: @Che Guava
    49. @Achmed E. Newman

      Achmed…

      As a former flyer myself, it is aviation law that you cannot fly any aircraft at night or non-VFR conditions without being instrument rated. If this was a night flight as stated then the moon could have been out lighting up every aspect of earth and still only instrument-rated pilots could fly.

      And the airport he flew out of would have never allowed such a flight-plan for a non-instrument rated pilot unless they wanted to lose their license to operate an airport.

    50. Cyrano says:

      If JFK Jr. could send a message from the other world – it should probably be: “Don’t cry for me Argentina”.

      Just because his father was a president (of dubious quality and of dubious control over the deep state – it probably was, as usual – vice versa, the deep state controlled him), doesn’t mean that they had presidential DNA in their genes.

      Sons of presidents are usually worse than their fathers in the same role. I have only 2 examples but they are adequate enough to prove the point. GW Bush was 10 times the disaster of a president his father was. And also Justin Trudeau is not even 1% the prime minister his father was. In fact, if JFK jr, lived long enough to be elected a president – he probably would have been the American Justin Trudeau.

    51. Prusmc says:

      Is that a picture of JFK, or “Beto”? If not for Kamala “Beto” would be inaugurated 20 January 2021.

    52. Squiby says:

      First off, I would like to express my thanks for this article. I have always thought that the JFK jr plane crash did not get the suspicious attention it deserved. I grew up on Martha’s Vineyard and lived there for half my life. You need to realize that the Deep State often uses half-truths and semi-credible witnesses to obfuscate and mislead investigators from homing in on the truth.

      There is a glaring inconsistency to this story which needs to be delved into. The “Day” JFK jr’s plane went down was one I remember well. A couple of friends and I were water-skiing off State Beach, Oak Bluffs, Ma. I will tell you that it was a bluebird day, no haze, no clouds. After skiing for a couple of hours, we anchored up and enjoyed a few beers in the early afternoon. Between 3 and 4 pm, the veteran DJ, of WMVY came on the radio in a trembling voice and said that JFK jr’s plane was more than an hour overdue. Thousands of people would have been listening to this radio station and heard the same thing we did. The timeline of events has been altered, and is fraudulent!! JFK jr was not flying at night. Nor was he a crappy pilot as the media reported. And if this smear was not bad enough, they said he had owed a porno-shop in New York thousands of dollars for smut movie rentals. People can say I am a liar, or full of it, I don’t care. But the false time line of events is paramount to dissecting this conspiracy. Like I said, thousands of people heard the DJ on WMVY say his plane was an hour overdue. This is a good place to start digging if one has the temerity to go there.

      It doesn’t matter so much what you think of the Kennedys’ politics. What should concern every American is that there are forces out there that are determined to circumvent our representative republic, by any means necessary.

      • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    53. Our media ignored breaking news a few years ago that Kennedy’s TWA “conspiracy theory” was proven true. TWA Flight 800 did not explode in mid-air because of an electrical short. It was accidentally hit by a US Navy anti-aircraft missile during a training exercise.

      An outstanding 2013 documentary: “TWA Flight 800” appeared on Netflix, but was removed after just a few weeks. It featured two senior federal NTSB investigators of TWA 800 who declared the investigation was a cover-up by the Clinton administration, and waited until they retired to speak out. Several books have appeared that provide undeniable evidence, such as:

      http://militarycorruption.com/flight-800/

      • Replies: @Jim Christian
    54. Mike says:
      @JoaoAlfaiate

      You must not fly. As a pilot we are trained to know how to deal with a stall. Instruments also show the horizon. I had always assumed he ran out of fuel as I was unaware of the rate of descent. This sounds like catestrophic failure. Electrical possibly. Or something else.

    55. If anyone still believes the official TWA 800 story, watch this 3-minute local news report:

      • Replies: @anom
      , @anon
    56. alexander says:
      @Steve Naidamast

      Interesting and informative.

      Are you saying that JFK Jr. must have had a “certified” co pilot on board (as he usually did ) …otherwise the tower would have not let him off the run way ?

      • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    57. @SunBakedSuburb

      Agree, the book Compromised, Clinton, Bush and the CIA by Terry Reed shows the connection between the Bushes and Clintons and the CIA and FBI and their CIA hit teams, or just read the customer comments on the book at Amazon.com.

    58. renfro says:
      @Diversity Heretic

      As a 30 year instrument rated pilot myself I would agree except for ..”and the overstressed airframe comes apart.”
      In light civilian air craft that is very rare and usually caused by some defect already existing.
      Unless the NTSB itself is lying and the radar records and the recovery divers are lying I go with their determination.
      First, the debris field was only 120 feet, if the plane had exploded or broken up in the air it would have been scattered over a larger area.
      Second, records show the plane entered a banking turn in excess of 45 degrees, which is not recommended and dangerous .It can cause a accelerated stall and if you don’t have the altitude to recover from it before you hit the ground or you panic you go ‘spiraling’ down and smash into whatever is below, you like the ocean.
      So I really am not into the plane being blown up theory.

      ‘A performance study of the radar data revealed that the target began a descent from 5,500 feet about 34 miles west of MVY. The speed during the descent was calculated to be about 160 knots indicated airspeed (KIAS), and the rate of descent was calculated to have varied between 400 and 800 feet per minute (fpm). About 2138, the target began a right turn in a southerly direction. About 30 seconds later, the target stopped its descent at 2,200 feet and began a climb that lasted another 30 seconds. During this period of time, the target stopped the turn, and the airspeed decreased to about 153 KIAS. About 2139, the target leveled off at 2,500 feet and flew in a southeasterly direction. About 50 seconds later, the target entered a left turn and climbed to 2,600 feet. As the target continued in the left turn, it began a descent that reached a rate of about 900 fpm. When the target reached an easterly direction, it stopped turning; its rate of descent remained about 900 fpm. At 2140:15, while still in the descent, the target entered a right turn. As the target’s turn rate increased, its descent rate and airspeed also increased. The target’s descent rate eventually exceeded 4,700 fpm. The target’s last radar position was recorded at 2140:34 at an altitude of 1,100 feet. (For a more detailed description of the target’s [accident airplane’s] performance, see Section, “Tests and Research,” Subsection, “Aircraft Performance Study.”)

      WRECKAGE INFORMATION

      On July 20, 1999, the airplane wreckage was located by U.S. Navy divers from the recovery ship, USS Grasp, at a depth of about 120 feet below the surface of the Atlantic Ocean. According to the divers, the recovered wreckage had been distributed in a debris field about 120 feet long and was oriented along a magnetic bearing of about 010/190 degrees. The main cabin area was found in the middle of the debris field.
      At 2139:50, the airplane entered a left turn, while slightly increasing altitude to 2,600 feet. The airplane reached a maximum bank angle of 28 degrees left-wing-down (LWD) and a maximum vertical acceleration of 1.2 Gs in this turn. When the maximum LWD bank angle was obtained, the altitude started to decrease at a descent rate close to 900 fpm. The LWD attitude was maintained for approximately 15 seconds until the airplane was heading towards the east. At 2140:07, the airplane bank angle returned to wings level. At 2140:15, with the airplane continuing towards the east, it reestablished a descent close to 900 fpm and then started to increase its bank angle in a RWD direction at nearly a constant rate. As the airplane bank angle increased, the rate of descent increased, and the airspeed started to increase. By 2140:25, the bank angle exceeded 45 degrees, the vertical acceleration was 1.2 Gs, the airspeed increased through 180 knots, and the flightpath angle was close to 5 degrees airplane nose down. After 2140:25, the airplane’s airspeed, vertical acceleration, bank, and dive angle continued to increase, and the right turn tightened until water impact

      https://www.ntsb.gov/about/employment/_layouts/ntsb.aviation/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20001212X19354&ntsbno=NYC99MA178&akey=1

    59. Creating conspiracy theories is lots of fun, and sometimes can even be productive, but for this one you really do have to go overboard ignoring Occam’s Razor:

      In reality, everyone who has ever acquired any kind of pilot’s licence has been told repeatedly in training something like: “Understand, that without getting sufficient instruction to qualify for an instrument rating, if you lose visual reference to the ground, during the day or at night, you will be toast. Experiments have consistently shown that, even the world’s most brilliant and experienced pilots, if they lose visual reference to the ground and cannot see the instruments to assess carefully what they are saying, in every case lose control of the aircraft in less than 45 seconds. And, having lost control, do not realize it, and are unable to figure out that they need to regain it, let alone what they need to do.”

      Most people find this surprising, which is why in the later stages of basic training a demonstration is usually done in which the pilot wears a hood that prevents him from seeing outside the aircraft, and is instructed to maintain straight and level flight. The instructor removes the student’s hood when the aircraft is in a rapidly accelerating, 45 degree bank, descending turn, when the pilot had imagined he was still flying straight and level. I can vouch that this is a persuasive demonstration!

      This isn’t mere speculation. Loss of control is the inevitable consequence of a non-instrument rated pilot losing sight of the ground. It is enormously probable that this was JFK Jr’s issue.

    60. I remember a little after JFK was assassinated a report of a statement by an government official, I think someone in the FBI, saying there is evidence of a conspiracy to kill JFK and other Kennedy family members. What happens is that after an attack or bombing the media filters are not coordinated for hours or days but then controls and directives kick in the narratives get stabilized. I always watch the news reports right after the event to catch leaks. The above reported statement was never again reported by anyone.

      It is certainly looking like Israel had a hand in many operations inside the US to control its foreign policy and make sure major narratives are pro-Israel like the UK has a long history (at least from WW2 on) of using dirty tricks to control the US. Since US foreign policy is substantially controlled by the UK, Saudis, and Israel, we must suspect any of them of trying to keep control of the US with all sorts of dirty tricks. Israel in a prime candidate for assassinations and false flag operations in the US as they certainly knew by the 1960’s that the survival of Israel depended on US support. There are just too many dual passport holders in these events to ignore this any longer.

    61. Peredur says:

      Implicitly, this article takes the position that Jackie Kennedy was not involved in the JFK assassination conspiracy, but there is an intriguing connection between the Bouvier family and the assassination via a person named George de Mohrenschildt, who was a close friend of both the Bouviers and Oswald.

    62. @Steve Naidamast

      Yes. And it is easy to see the moon from 5,500 feet, see lights 50 miles away and imagine how wonderful the weather conditions must be nearer the ground at your destination!

    63. renfro says:
      @Steve Naidamast

      That isnt correct.
      There are 3 types of licenses a person can get:
      Sport Flyer license……restricted to local area and only certain types of small aircraft.
      Recreational License……restricted to local area and daylight hours only.
      Private Pilot License…..not restricted, can fly at night….at their own risk

      I did a lot of night time flying before I got my instrument rating. But wasn’t stupid enough to fly in bad weather…day or night.

    64. lysias says:
      @ben sampson

      Lumumba was killed in the last days of Ike’s presidency, before JFK was inaugurated.

      • Replies: @ben sampson
    65. Z-man says:

      Shouldn’t the subtitle be ‘The Kennedy’s Israel Curse’?? Just sayin’.

    66. lysias says:
      @jbwilson24

      Flying is by far the most convenient way to travel from New York City to Martha’s Vineyard.

    67. @Sean

      I have no idea if JFK Jr. was bombed out of the sky by our friends in the Mossad, CIA, or other wonderful entities. But years ago an ex CIA guy told me bluntly that the reason the CIA and intelligence agencies get away with stuff is because much of it no one would be believe they would even try………thus the invention of the Conspiracy Theory.

      The Kennedys were family of egomaniacs and were often careless and their itinerary through life was filled with many people they destroyed and cast by the side of the road. They believed they were really the chosen ones and their opinion and their way of doing things were right and everyone else was wrong. So they mirrored the Jews except they were Irish.

    68. anom says:
      @Carlton Meyer

      No one believes. The NTSB or whatever is called hid . This was admitted by few senior persons in positions of authority and responsibility for the investigation. They claimed that they w ere gagged and would have lost pension and jobs.

      • Replies: @lavoisier
    69. lysias says:
      @Peredur

      Mohrenschildt seems to have been Oswald’s CIA handler for a while, but months before the JFK assassination he went off to Haiti. There’s nothing to connect him with the JFK assassination, especially if — as seems likely — Oswald was not the shooter who killed JFK.

      • Replies: @Peredur
    70. anon[228] • Disclaimer says:
      @Carlton Meyer

      TWA Flight 800 Investigators Claim the Official Crash Story Is a Lie
      A new film claims the official government report on the crash of TWA Flight 800 in 1996 is an elaborate fabrication, but the most shocking part of the story is that charges are being leveled by the very investigators who put the report together.
      A new film claims the official government report on the crash of TWA Flight 800 in 1996 is an elaborate fabrication, but the most shocking part of the story is that charges are being leveled by some of the very investigators who put the report together. Six experts who appear in the film were members of the National Transportation Safety Board investigation team that concluded the crash was an accident, but they now claim they were silenced by their superiors. The movies, “TWA Flight 800” will debut on EPIX TV next month, on the 17-year anniversary of the crash.
      https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2013/06/twa-flight-800-film-coverup/314092/

    71. Robjil says:
      @ben sampson

      Read “JFK and the Unspeakable” by James W. Douglass. JFK had nothing do with Patrice Lumumba’s killing. It was CIA. JFK wanted to smash the CIA into a thousand pieces. The CIA and the Mossad got JFK before he could smash either of them. He was one President that tried to do good. It was a sad moment in history when he was killed. Sadly, he did not have many backers for his vision.

      Here is bit of what Douglass wrote about Patrice Lumumba’s killing on page 212 of his book “JFK and the Unspeakable”.

      “The CIA succeeded in having Lumumba killed in haste by Belgian collaborators three days before Kennedy took his oath of office.
      Four weeks later, on February 13, 1961, JFK received a phone call with the delayed news of Lumumba’s murder. Photographer Jacques Lowe took a remarkable picture of the president at that moment. Lowe’s photo of Kennedy responding to the news of Lumumba’s assassination is on the desk-jacket cover of Richard D. Mahoney’s book JFK:Ordeal in Africa. It shows JFK horror-striken. His eyes are shut. The fingers of his right hand are pressing into his forehead. His head is collapsing against the phone held to his ear. “

      • Replies: @Alden
    72. @Che Guava

      JFK junior was really just not that bright. He failed the bar exam at least once. As Larry Elders once said, the best thing you could say about JFK junior was that he was a down-to-earth guy who never pretended to be more than an average person who happened to be rich.

      Supposedly he loved alcohol and was obsessed with porn-he was friends with Irish-America’s one porn mogul in a gallery of Jews, Larry Flint.

      He was handsome-some say that his father was Onassis and not Kennedy, believable considering his Mediterranean looks which were nothing like Kennedy’s fair Irish looks (Though JFK junior was eternally proud of his Irish roots).

      His magazine was alright, supposedly advised under-the-table by Larry Flynt again.

      • Replies: @Alden
      , @lavoisier
      , @Alden
    73. @Steve Naidamast

      What Refro said. You must be European or Canadian(?) if you aren’t allowed to fly VFR at night. It is perfectly safe, but you need to check whether even more carefully, as you won’t see all clouds till you get in ’em. BTW, even a student pilot who is let to solo out of the traffic pattern should have been taught how to fly basic instruments at least for a few minutes to get out of a bad situation.

      • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    74. @renfro

      The Zionist controlled U.S. government has a record of lying about just about everything and they lied about JFK jrs. plane crash and JFKs and RFKS assassination, and Senator Paul Wellstones plane crash and he opposed the Mideast wars, plane crashes are the CIAs favorite way of killing people.

      • Replies: @republic
      , @Prusmc
    75. @Steve Naidamast

      ” JFK Jr. was, to my knowledge, a consummate pilot”

      ?????

      He had only gotten his initial private pilot’s licence one year before the crash. To become a “consummate” pilot requires many many years of accumulating flying hours (experience) and reading lots of stuff about what happened to other pilots so you don’t have to learn what they did the hard way.

      ‘Novice’ or ‘neophyte’ would be a more accurate description of JFK Jr’s flying capabilities.

      Of course, it is possible he might have become a very capable pilot had he had the opportunity to accumulate a few thousand hours air time.

      • Replies: @jeff stryker
    76. @lysias

      I stand corrected. its was Dwight E..the son of a Black woman himself

      • Troll: Wizard of Oz
      • Replies: @Alden
    77. @Mike

      1400 hours, mostly high performance and experimental a/c. Commercial certificate.

      I’ve done more stalls and spin entries than you’ve had hot dinners.

      Take a low time pilot without IFR experience, put him in a situation in which he has no visual clues as to which way is up, and a spin or spiral dive (incredible disorienting and frightening with all sorts of stuff being flung around the cockpit and screaming passengers) is inevitable.

      You can pretty much guarantee, unless visual references are quickly regained, that recovery is going to be beyond the skills and training of an inexperienced pilot, no matter what sort of instruments he’s got.

      Sad tidings sure to follow, as in this case.

      • Agree: Simply Simon
    78. @renfro

      The description sounds to me like a pilot becoming spatially disoriented and trying to fly by what his inner ear is telling him, not by reference to the artificial horizon. I think that Piper Seneca in which John Kennedy was flying had a wing leveler. If he had thought to turn it on, it might have kept the wings level enough for him to have extricated himself from that situation with the aid of air traffic control. VFR flight at dusk in hazy conditions is very tricky. As a pilot who flew inadvertantly into instrument meteorological conditions while flying VFR, (I obviously lived to tell the tale, but I was very frightened), I have some sympathy for John Kennedy.

      • Replies: @renfro
    79. @jbwilson24

      Disregard the troll. You have a valid point, what happens to Secret Service protection in a case like this or is it no longer provided for the son of a president after so many years. It’s a moot point as that protection could not be provided in this case, but still he will be targeted for assassination by various nut jobs and/or would be saboteurs. So he was taking a chance flying without a qualified instrument pilot aboard who could have been provided by the Secret Service. Lots of conflicting information regarding visibility etc. I am inclined to go along with spatial disorientation as the cause more than the conspiracy theories that have been advanced.

      • Replies: @Alden
    80. @Achmed E. Newman

      Dammit – “weather” not “whether”! Sorry.

    81. If only someone had gotten rid of Joe and Rose before they cursed this nation with their spawn. Nothing good has ever come out of Ireland or Massachusetts.

    82. @Rodney1111

      He was also a heavy drinker. No surprise among the Kennedy’s. Possibly it was booze.

      Since JFK junior would probably have been exactly what the Z cabal wanted in a president, it seems odd they would have wanted to dust him.

      Much is read into nineties casualties. The reality is that all of them were casualties of a decadent era when people smoked like chimneys, drove without seatbelts, had promiscuous sex etc.

    83. So a narrow escape then.

    84. @wayfarer

      Ah Wayfarer, at your best.

      • Replies: @wayfarer
    85. Alden says:
      @Sean

      Thick curly hair like his mother and sister. That kind of hair is hard to get to lay flat.

      • Replies: @jeff stryker
    86. Alden says:
      @nsa

      The daughter Carolyn looks like JFK. JFKjr looked like his mother and her Father, the paternal grandfather.

      That’s standard genetics. Not all, but about 80% of people look like the opposite sex parent. Actually, it’s grandparent to same sex grandchild via opposite sex child of grandparent.

      I can see it in my family, not all but most children take after opposite sex parent.

      If you’ve ever read anything about JFK you’d know he was far worse an adulterer than Clinton. It was just one woman after another in and out of his office and hotel rooms.

      JFK had a very serious life long strain of incurable ghonoherea due to his promiscuity as well as picking up various other STDs.

      Just cause you never got any should t be cause to hate women

    87. utu says:
      @sarz

      The commentariat here today is pretty awful. A position on Kennedys is a pretty good litmus test for me. Need to remember some names.

    88. renfro says:
      @Diversity Heretic

      (I obviously lived to tell the tale, but I was very frightened),

      Don’t feel bad I’ve had some myself despite my many years.
      Sometimes wonder how I have survived my adventures…lol.

      • Replies: @Simply Simon
    89. bluedog says:
      @sarz

      Your right for you can’t fix stupid, and far to many fall in that area.!!

    90. Alden says:
      @Che Guava

      The magazine was in big trouble financially. It never did break even although the Kennedy PR machine and the Kennedy worshiping media pushed it for years
      George was financed by the big French International publisher Hachette. Hachette was getting ready to stop financing a losing publication. The combination of People and New Republic just never worked.

      I don’t remember any announcements that JFKjr planned to run for any office. It was just speculation and part of the endless media coverage of JFKjr which increased a thousand times after he got married

    91. bluedog says:
      @Stonehands

      And I can assure you he’s only one of many trolling on here tonight,rather strange for I was just reading on another site of how the pentagon stated that they had to increase their propaganda,so one can safely say the boys are going full speed ahead….

    92. @Alden

      There was some suggestion that Kennedy might not have been his father. Supposedly, Jackie took up with the Greek tycoon all through their marriage.

      • Replies: @Alden
      , @Alden
    93. republic says:

      Many politicians have been killed by their opponents using the cover of
      aircraft. It is an ideal assassination method, easy to create and easy to disguise.
      Some examples, of possible assassinations using this method:

      * Senator Wellstone of Minnesota. 2002
      * Senator Ted Stevens,2010
      *Ron Brown, 1996, Croatia
      *President Lech Kaczynski of Poland, 2010
      *Rep. Hale Boggs and Nick Begich 1972
      *UN sec general Dag Hammarskjold, Congo, 1961
      * Rep Mickey Leland, Ethiopia,1989
      *Sen John Tower ,1985
      * Republican IT Guru, Connell,2008,worked for Bush
      *Omar Torrijos, Dictator, Panama, 1981
      *President Samora Machel of Mozambique, 1981
      *President Zia ul-Haq of Pakistan, 1988

      • Replies: @Mike P
    94. Alden says:
      @jeff stryker

      My point was that JFK jr looked like his mother and had her thick curly hair. He sure didn’t look like the Greek dwarf who was about 8 inches shorter than JFKjr.

      • Replies: @jeff stryker
      , @TitusAlone
    95. republic says:
      @DESERT FOX

      remember the crash 1996 of Ron Brown in Croatia?

      • Replies: @DESERT FOX
    96. Alden says:
      @Simply Simon

      Children of ex presidents lose secret service protection at age 16.

    97. Alden says:
      @jeff stryker

      Have you ever seen pictures of JFKjr’s mother and maternal grandfather? That’s how genetics works, girls take after the father and his mother. Boys take after the mother and her father.
      Mediterranean looks? Sounds like some Nordicist KKK nonsense that every brown eyed dark haired person is Latin.

      Better speculate about how many abortions JFK’s hundreds of girl friends had in the days before the pill.

      JFK was so ridden with incurable STDs it’s a wonder they managed to have any living children at all.

      • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    98. Alden says:
      @jeff stryker

      It was her sister Lee Radizwell who was involved with Onassis when John Jr was conceived.

    99. @republic

      Yep, they found him with bullet holes in his head and a woman in the crash was found alive and uninjured and taken away and they reported her dead , she was killed after the fact!

    100. @Alden

      He looked more Greek than Irish, that is for sure. And maybe he got his height from Jackie.

      JFK knew of her raging affair with the Greek-he complained about it.

      • Replies: @Alden
      , @Alden
      , @Robjil
      , @ariadna
    101. Mike P says:
      @republic

      Their own fault for choosing incompetent pilots who panicked and went into a nosedive when approaching a cloud. I’m sure if they, or JFK jr., had hired any of the veteran pilots who have been posting on this thread, they would all, to a man, be alive today.

      • Replies: @Jim Christian
    102. ariadna says:

      “if he were president, he would repeal the Federal Reserve Act of 1913.”

      Whoa! This alone condemned him to death.

      • Agree: DESERT FOX
      • Replies: @ariadna
    103. A Jewish president would simply formalize the total control of our foreign policy already under Jewish control, regardless of whether it is JFK’s grandson or Bernie Sanders or anyone else. They would doubtless be Israel Firsters. At least the cat will be out of the bag then.

    104. Alden says:
      @jeff stryker

      The affair with Onassis began when John jr was 2 1/2 years old.

      Given JFKsr’s numerous STDs it’s a wonder he managed to conceive any babies that didn’t miscarry , die at birth or be born deformed

      • Replies: @jeff stryker
    105. On 22 January 1973 Alexandros Onassis was fatally injured when the plane he was piloting (a Piaggio) plummeted into the tarmac on takeoff. It was discovered that the wing flaps had been reversed.Two years earlier, Alexandros Onassis had launched an exhaustive but completely inconclusive investigation the fatal crash of a Lear jet that he was meant to be piloting.The Lear jet had exploded midair and disappeared into the Meditteranean with no trace and the bodies of the pilots, the Kouris brothers,who were American and old friends of the Onassis’ family,were never found.
      Alexandros Onassis was a very experienced pilot and a flying instructor. His father,Aristotle, offered a $20million reward for information concerning his son’s death but nothing was forthcoming.
      The loss of his beloved son and heir destroyed Onassis. It also sounded the deathknell for his marriage to J.F.K.’s widow Jackie.
      The plausible deniability inherent in a planecrash makes it a desirable modus of assassination.Are we to believe that tragic deaths of John Jr and Alexandros Onassis , only sons of Aristotle Onassis and of his wife Jackie Kennedy Onassis, are a result of their high-flying, jet setting proclivities-a fated Icarus effect?
      Or something more sinister.

    106. Alden says:
      @ben sampson

      Eisenhower’s West Point pictures show him with blond straight hair.

      • Replies: @ben sampson
      , @ben sampson
    107. @Alden

      JFK junior does not look like one of them. If I am not mistaken, Jackie O also took up with some Italian automobile magnate. Would explain his totally non-Irish looks.

      • Replies: @Alden
    108. ariadna says:
      @Peredur

      Yes, yes, I agree. But only in part. Mohrenschildt-Shmohrenschildt! It was Jackie!
      A grasping, avaricious sort. Offing JFK was the only way for her to grab filthy rich Onassis, who, after all, was Greek: Timeo Danaos, need I say more? All the palaver about political conspiracies is but claptrap to blame the usual suspects: the long-suffering Judaic scapegoats.

      • Troll: utu
      • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    109. Alden says:
      @jeff stryker

      JFKjr got all his looks from his mother and her father, his maternal grandfather, basic genetics. I doubt Mrs Kennedy and Onassis were even in the same country in March 1960.

      • Replies: @utu
    110. lavoisier says: • Website
      @jeff stryker

      So if you fail the bar exam you are not that bright?

      Come on, that is bullshit.

      I have known a lot of smart people who have failed exams.

      • Agree: Curmudgeon
      • Replies: @jeff stryker
    111. @lavoisier

      My cousin is a lawyer. Is it really difficult to pass the bar?

    112. @Rodney1111

      Well, if you are going to apply Occam’s Razor, why are all of Kennedy’s flight instructors ignored? Are they all incompetent? Who is in a better position to comment on Kennedy’s capabilities, his instructors or all of the “back seat drivers” here theorizing on what Kennedy “probably” did? Why couldn’t they find the missing seat if there was only 120 ft debris field? Was it not in the plane when it took off? There are more questions than viable answers.

    113. Hibernian says:
      @restless94110

      Only the most extreme professional irish and (overlapping category) hardcore socialists sympathize with Teddy.

      • Replies: @Alden
    114. utu says:
      @Alden

      According to what laws of genetics?

      • Replies: @Alden
    115. Hibernian says:
      @Jake

      “and that at some point, virtually all major Jewish American big business and prominent law firms had direct ties to Jewish organized crime.”

      The close coordination of the respectable and disrespectable elements is a feature of Irish Catholic, WASP, and Jewish cultures, and probably all other cultures. What else is new?

    116. Anon[425] • Disclaimer says: • Website

      Great opening statement by Nick Fuentes

    117. @Alden

      You are right to call out nonsense, even when it is of that “some say” crappy type. That JFK had appalling health problems – and indeed could be admired for the way he coped with them – I have long known. But incurable STDs? Doesn’t seem wholly implausible, but…. sources please.

      • Agree: JamesinNM
      • Replies: @Alden
    118. @jeff stryker

      I think you need to know something about the process of moving from law degree to qualified to practise. I guess that someone who had graduated from a top Law School might be told “if you can cram and pass the [state] Bar exam before our next intake decision we could sign you up and you could still fit in that 6 month internship on Senator X’s committee…” or something like that. And then you go on a holiday and to a cousin’s wedding in Europe and you don’t quite put in the needed cramming.

      • Replies: @jeff stryker
    119. @Peredur

      Peredur
      Ther are always more intriguing connections than one ever imagines in the rarefied world of the wealthy and powerful. But poor old George de Morenschildt! Just too many tangled connections,too much stuff known.Very dangerous stuff. So George’s end was a kind of poetic justice. They say he suicided. Well,they would say that,wouldn’t they?

    120. Anonymous[199] • Disclaimer says:
      @jeff stryker

      Many people get law degrees and are unable to pass the bar. In a lot of states you have to study for it under a time limit and if you do not pass there will be a delay period before you can try again.

    121. wayfarer says:
      @Simply Simon

      It’s been awhile, I hope you are doing well, Simply Simon.

    122. @Wizard of Oz

      OZ

      In his case, late-night games of hopscotch from one bar to another with Madonna and other actresses did not help.

      JFK junior had the good looks of a middling soap opera actor and other than that, the guy had nothing going for him in life at all.

      He more or less admitted this. He was pretty down to earth about being nobody special.

      The idea that some cabal killed him in order to prevent him from becoming president is pretty ridiculous. He was already nearly 40 and never had a political aspiration in his life.

      He went to fellow Irish-American publishing magnate Larry Flynt to bail his magazine off and Flynt refused.

      • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    123. Alden says:
      @jeff stryker

      Agnelli, long after John jr was born JFKjr looked very much like his mother and her father which is the standard way genetics works out

      Maternal grandfather mother grandson.

      Mrs Kennedy didn’t even meet Agnelli till John jr was at least a year old.

      You need to concentrate on Mrs Kennedy’s men friends in march of 1960 when John jr was conceived. You do know what that is, don’t you??

      Ted Kennedy was big boned and always chubby in contrast to the other 8 who were all slim. Care to speculate on his parentage?

    124. Alden says:
      @jeff stryker

      Lots of lawyers fail the bar exam the first second and even third time. It’s a very very difficult 3 day exam with a lot of essays. Also, The Bar adjusts the exams according to how overloaded the profession is with new aspirants. The exam has gotten a lot harder as more people go to law school
      Like other occupations, The Bar doesn’t want to be overwhelmed with cheap labor hard scrabble lawyers

      I think he took the New York State exam, one of the hardest.

      • Replies: @jeff stryker
    125. Alden says:
      @Wizard of Oz

      I read a lot of books about the Kennedys. It’s in his medical records. Remember, gonnwrhea and syphillis weren’t really curable until the 1950’s with antibiotics. By then JFK had been promiscuous for 20 years. The incurable ghiberhea is in his medical records his White House physician was Dr Janet Trammel? Travel??

      I grew up disgusted with the Kennedy worship and the endless books by communists like Mark Lane claiming that the FBI Dallas city police Republican Party etc killed Kennedy endless ridiculous theories. So I enjoyed reading the books that debunked the whole Camelot myth.

      JFK was almost like Henry 8, lots of sex but few kids. His wive was pregnant 6 times, 3 miscarriages 1 died soon after birth 2 lived. In this day and age that kind of record signals STDs

      Anyway, there’s thousands of books about JFK and some of the later ones cite his medical records.
      The whole Kennedy worship thing was just disgusting. It started when I was about Wo and didn’t end till I was about 65. I think Robert was the worst but that’s just me.

      • Replies: @bluedog
    126. Alden says:
      @utu

      Not all, but the majority of humans maybe 70% traits go. It’s in anatomy courses.

      Grandparent to opposite sex child to same sex grand child. JFK jr is a perfect example of this he looked like his mother and her father, the maternal grandfather.

      The daughter Caroline looked like her father which is standard genetics

      Baldness and hemophilia are 100% grandfather via daughter to grandson.

      • Replies: @utu
    127. Alden says:
      @Hibernian

      I have a picture somewhere a friend took a snapshot of Ted at a fundraiser. Knowing I’m not a Democrat she gave it to me. Fat red face. Tie askew, head lolling to the side, pot belly, he looked like a typical drunk.

      If younger people are disgusted by the Obama worship, it was nothing compared to the manufactured Kennedy worship.

    128. Alden says:

      There’s a book Nemesis that claims that Jackie visited Onassis on his yacht in September? October? 1963 and they arranged that Jackie would divorce jack and marry Onassis ic Hack lost the 64 election

    129. @Alden

      don’t worry about Dwight’s blond hair and pure white appearance.

      from what I have seen over my life with my own eyes, every black woman who is fertile..fully black or just part black.. are capable of producing the spectrum of human ethnicity guided by what goes in.

      Stover’s husband was white…she could and did birth a perfectly white son..and his brothers too.

      I have however, never seen a white woman produce a perfectly Black child from a Black husband and father..or any other ethnic female do as Black women often do in this regard

      Hoover for sure knew who Dwight’s mother was..as well as his opponents, who attacked him with the information politically according to reports. that of course did not stop him

      • Replies: @Alden
    130. @Squiby

      The article itself is enough of a waste of time without your emission of self indulgent waffle. If you had done the slightest bit of checking on your remarkable memory of a fundamental contradiction of the received story you would have begun to see that the interesting discovery you have made is about the fallibility of one’s own memory – and how much you should hope that you never face trial where witnesses or jury members are so blithely unaware of the way the mind tricks you. Unless you take a completely frivolous attitude to what you declare a scandalous cover up you would want to check. If really serious you could make an FOI request for Essex County Airport records or copies but you might be content with this which took me 10 seconds to find.
      https://www.theguardian.com/world/1999/jul/25/kennedy.usa

      8.38 pm was when the plane took off. But maybe you got the day of your hearing about it wrong.

      • Replies: @Skeptikal
      , @NoseytheDuke
    131. @Carlton Meyer

      Hi-Ya, Carlton! Great pieces the last month! Now that I’ve blown around some sunshine, you ever come across anything on Flight 1, American Airlines, Circa 1960ish? Another ‘dropped from the sky” incident. Of course, back in the early 60s, we trusted our government, the notion of a shootdown, intentional or otherwise didn’t come up. Also, in any given transportation disaster, I need to see the roster of passengers to see who needed to be ‘disappeared’. Well, I’d like to anyway.

      Suspicious indeed a car full of Jewish wedding participants, 20 or 25 of them, all dead in a single-car, stretch limo crash, blunt force trauma to all. Fishy as hell. With all of these, do investigators examine who the victims were, what was their work, who were their connections? All a tarpit of course, if it’s ‘official’, as an investigator, if you get too close, they’ll disappear YOU.

      • Replies: @Alden
    132. @Mike P

      Arnold Palmer flew a bit. He did ok.

      • Replies: @Diversity Heretic
    133. Robjil says:
      @jeff stryker

      One of Caroline’s sons looks just like John Jr. This proves beyond doubt that his looks came from Jackie or John Sr. and not from any other source.

      • Replies: @Alden
    134. @Alden

      Most law students pass the bar. My Dad’s brother is a judge and my cousin a lawyer.

      JFK failed the bar in his twenties back in the 1980’s.

      • Replies: @Alden
    135. @niteranger

      So the guys I knew way back when, these guys, they’re military, I figure they rank Top-10 in the Pantheon of aviation accomplishment. They fly off and on the ships of course, and Naval Air Stations, unless the guy broke the plane, then we had to go fix them elsewhere. Civilian airports and whatnot. Aside from the obvious carrier qualifications, weapons training, they also had to comply with FAA, commercial traffic and the rest? As in all the licenses of an American Airlines pilot? Or being military, they can barge in wherever they want? Maybe there are lots of harder forms of flying, but those guys were the most dynamic characters I ever met then or since. They’re one in a million. Or maybe 500,000?

      Oh. Here’s one now:

    136. Another WTF moment. JFK’s presidential limo(the one he was assassinated in)remained in service for another 13 years, being used by Johnson. It was relegated to lesser services under Nixon and Ford before it was retired. Does anyone else find this to ghoulish and bizarre to believe?
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-100-X

    137. 1958 says:

      It is clear as day that JFK Jr was indeed the victim of foul play. All these wretched anti-human vermin have achieved, is to make martyr out of all of them. Consequently their legacy grows with every decade – despite the constant stream of lies from the controlled media sewer. With a new generation of genuinely progressive Democrats, America taking the first steps of a long journey to reverse the filth and squalid corruption of past 70 years.

      • Replies: @Authenticjazzman
    138. @wayfarer

      Kennedy was “deep state” like all the rest. Quit believing the lies.

      • Replies: @Finn Dalcassian
    139. utu says:
      @Alden

      Anatomy books? This is about genetics.

      • Replies: @Alden
    140. Some commenters have mentioned that JFK failed his bar exam twice. The person who who helped JFK pass on the third attemp was a NYC Police Officer named John William Perry who was his classmate at NYU…John William Perry was a very close friend of JFK jr….

      On 9/11, John William Perry had just turned in his badge and filled out his retirement papers after ten years working as a NYC PO at the downtown Police Headquarters…..5 minutes later the two passenger jets hit the Twin Towers…..Perry took his Police Shield back, put it back on……went to the Twin Towers to help out…..they found his body two weeks later…

      You can go google photos of John William Perry…..I found out about all this the Saturday after 9/11 from a Jewish Russian Guy named Vladimir who owned a crepe shop downtown Port Jefferson(lots of pretty Russian Women worked their)…..John William Perry was the co-owner….

      John William Perry was a very light skinned mulato..Haitian Father Psychiatrist…Swedish American Mother….

      John William Perry was most definitely on the demographic path….he was an immigration lawyer….to being NYC mayor in the future and POTUS JFK’s VP……

      You can go google stuff about John William Perry….he was most definitely Post-White America POTUS material…..

    141. @republic

      use the wayback machine to read it

      I can’t find it there (at archive.org). Do you have the URL?

      • Replies: @republic
      , @republic
    142. JamesinNM says:
      @onebornfree

      Read Romans 2:28-29 and then Revelations 2:9 and 3:9 to compare real Jews and false Jews.

    143. bluedog says:
      @Alden

      Now one could ask what (this post and the majority of the others) does all this bullshit have to do with the subject, or is it simply a way to hi-jack the conversation and try to turn it into a pis*ing convention.!!

      • Agree: utu
      • Replies: @Sean
      , @Alden
    144. @Jim Christian

      John Travolta is also a licensed pilot who flies his own plane–competently from everything I’ve read.

      • Replies: @Sean
      , @Che Guava
    145. Hank says:

      Take a look at the book “The Inheritance” on Amazon. RFK had compiled implicating quite a bit of evidence implicating LBJ that was left by Eleanor Lincoln in her will. JonJon was going to use it quite soon and he was literally taken out by Clinton, Hillary and Bush Sr using some sort of national security measure. I’m serious – just read the book last night. It is really ugly.

      • Replies: @Alden
    146. @1958

      ” With a new generation of genuinely progressive Democrats, America taking the first steps of a long journey to reverse the filth and squalid corruption of past seventy years”

      The installation of socialism in the US through these “Progressive” Democrats will do nothing else other than convert the US into a northern version of Venezuela, or a western version of the failed UDSSR with more corruption and tyranny than the capitalists could ever create.

      If you think for one minute that “Progressive” (communist/socialist) policies will improve or remedy any of the problems prevailing in the US you are out of your bloody mind.

      Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained uS Army vet, and pro jazz musician.

    147. republic says:
      @James N. Kennett

      That article was in the December 1996 issue of George. No URL available. Some libraries have physical copies. You can check world cat database for nearest location

    148. Bill Cooper walked us all through this in the early 2000’s. No wonder BC called him the most dangerous radio show host in the USA.

    149. @ariadna

      ” Was the only way for her to grab filthy rich O”

      Yeah sure like Jackie K, who’s financial security as an ex first lady and east coast blue-blood, was guaranteed for life anyway, like she really “needed” to get her hooks in O, as if she was confronted with poverty in the future, bullshit.

      AJM

      • Replies: @ariadna
    150. republic says:
      @James N. Kennett

      Some libraries still have physical copies. Check worldcat for locations

    151. Sean says:
      @bluedog

      I think it is an interesting point I have not heard made before, which explains some of Jackie’s anger and and suggests Kennedy habitually resorted to prostitutes (he slept with a couple of whores on an official visit to Italy according to William King Harvey who was head of the CIA Italian station). Kennedy’s poor health (Addison’s disease) was concealed and if steroids had not been invented he would never have put on 20 lbs and been healthy and bronzed (side effect of the cortisol enough to become president.

      As President his reliance on Dr. Feelgood the notorious doctor to the stars, led to a serious recreational drug (meth) habit that is now well established to have reached the level of addiction. In the TV debate with Nixon, Kennedy appeared relaxed and assured, but he was on amphetamines, as he also was during the Cuba crisis. Jim Garrison became DA through his impressive TV manner, he seemed to be a screen style hero.

      If told someone is highly intelligent people assume that the individual is also physically attractive. And I suppose there was a tendency in he female passengers and those who read about him to think that someone as good looking as John Kennedy Junior would also be a very competent pilot. In the movies perhaps he would be, there the best looking guy is also a resourceful individual who can be counted on to save the day. In the real world John Jr was just an extremely good looking man, who was not a particularly fast learner, experienced, or qualified for challenging conditions. Even meticulously trained professional airline pilots have killed themselves and their passengers by trusting the their feelings. For instrument flying you must distrust your instincts and sense of orientation and literally believe up is down, if that is what the instruments tell you.

    152. Che Guava says:
      @Stonehands

      You don’t tend to be a bs. artist, but …

      How do you reconcile ‘light haze’ of the article with thick fog that you claim?

      I am sure that whatever office is recording meteoreology there, will have recorded it.
      They are even likely to have their records from that time on-line.

      In any case, the article has a link to a photo of the wreckage, that is certainly not consonant with an accident in landing. Likewise, the reported in-flight explosion.

      • Replies: @Stonehands
    153. Sean says:
      @Diversity Heretic

      But does John Travolta know the truth about all these assassination conspiracies? If not there was no reason to kill him with a fake accident. One might also speculate that people who believe in conspiracies are more focused on others’ motives and inner states that mundane matters requiring mechanistic cognition, such as following proper procedures for getting from A to B in one piece.

    154. Che Guava says:
      @Diversity Heretic

      So is Harrison Ford. However, Harrison managed to crash his plane in recent years.

      Lately, he is making big noises about the terrifying threat of global warming.

      I would guess he is still enjoying flying his private plane, the typical energy-and -resource spendthrift life of his types.

      Brett Easton Ellis, in one of his novels (Lunar Park, IIRC), refers to Harrison Ford as a ‘giant blowhard’.

      • Replies: @Robjil
    155. “the military control over the operations, right down to news reporting from the Pentagon… Robert Pearce…”

      There’s an interesting wilful obtuseness to this article, a telltale pretense of furiously barking up the wrong tree that I’ve come to associate with Unz revisionism. Did Clinton do it?? Did Bush do it???

      Not the Clintons, clearly: “I don’t think she would have gotten away with it without higher protections. Let us not forget also that, in all Kennedy assassinations, the key factor for success is the complicity of the mainstream media for more 50 years. The Clintons don’t own the media.”

      Where do “higher protections” inhere? CIA has impunity, through Section 202 of the Central Intelligence Agency Act, later dissembled with the Rogers-Huston memo, the operational files exemption, and what treaty bodies term “legal pretexts for manifestly illegal acts,” and cemented with the extrajudicial killing of Judge Robert Vance. From inception CIA’s actions have been “beyond the review of any court.” Who owns the media? CIA, since Project Mockingbird, with progressively tightening control. Who can coordinate military elements with ‘focal points’ or ‘dotted-line reports?’ CIA, since inception.

      The Clinton’s and Bushes were both CIA nomenklatura: Hillary misappropriated documents for CIA’s “Watergate” purge of Nixon; Bill, recruited at Oxford by Cord Meyer, intently ignored CIA drug-smuggling through Mena; the Bushes of course supplied America’s first DCI head of state, dispensing with their traditional puppet rulers like Kennedy, who sometimes had to be shot.

      Yet the magic letters do not appear in this article. CIA, the only organization chartered with the capacity to kill multiple members of a prominent family of dissidents, and to get away with it. Never mentioned. Not once.

      Israel could kill JFK Jr. if and only if CIA put them up to it. Piss off CIA and you end up sitting on your hemorrhoids for decades in Butner like Pollard. Do what CIA wants and it all works out fine.

      This is boilerplate foreign-sourced CIA disinformation.

    156. … Barry Chamish, who investigated the Rabin assassination in his book Who Murdered Yitzhak Rabin? (1988), agrees.

      If Chamish really wrote that book in 1988, then he must have been clairvoyant. Rabin wasn’t assassinated until 1995.

      • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
    157. Robjil says:
      @Che Guava

      There was a photo on the internet with Harrison Ford holding a sign that said Israel did 911. It was scrubbed off the internet. Here is a short bit about this without the picture.

      http://comereadam.blogspot.com/2016/05/israel-did-911-weather-this-harrison.html

      • Replies: @Bill Jones
    158. Miville says: • Website

      There is a tendency, especially among dissenters and conspiracy theorists, to equate the Kennedy family with the Gracchi brothers of the great late Roman republic, a model of a good opportunity for the Republic to evolve for the best and that was missed thanks to timely assassinations. Unfortunately that’s not the case : JFK was rather a behavioural model of utter political servility, to the point of psychic codependence, towards the media sphere. He was actually the first American president to have been entirely made by the media, and especially by the most intensively Jewish ones as well as by the Hollywood actors’ milieu : people even worse than the power elite proper. Anyway the American presidential institution was designed right from the start as a hidden imperial monarchy by adoption where none is admitted except from families having being initiated into the inner occult circles of the oligarchy and consecrated their whole progeny to come for one century and more : there never was the slightest risk that a US President disobey. The fact that the father had slight pro-Nazi inclinations should fool no one : Israel’s Likud party has always collaborated with such figures among the non-Jews and anyway JFK’s family is nearly Jewish on his mother’s side. The American republic, though draping in Roman architecture and symbols, is clearly far more Carthaginian in outlook.

      If JFK is to be compared with a Roman character it would be more with a kind of Nero, judging by his general private conduct, his lavish use of public money for private luxuries, and his abundant use of secret services to dispose of no longer useful women. He was all shape and no substance, and also known for a preference for false flags as the royal way to disentangle all diplomatic quandaries, and some of those false flags were so ridiculous that they fell flat, like the Bay of Pigs operation where he had given the orders to simulate the return of Christ. JFK had been put into power to accomplish a very specific mission : highjacking the Catholic Church into a religion 100% compliant with American interests and values (not an easy task) and also with Zionist theology : a most preposterous (and pervert) task but which he carried out in a brillant way. Up to then that religion had been the most opposite to the American enterprise, even more so than the communist enterprise, after the VII Council which that president was made to supervise as a nominal Catholic, the religion was made into some kind of neo-episcopalian thing. JFK did it mostly through the assassinations of countless prelates who would oppose such a turn. JFK also launched the Moonlanding mission in perfect knowledge, through Van Allen and Von Braun, that it was not feasible due to the impossibility to send any living being into space beyond a quite low orbit : he just counted on Hollywood. What he didn’t realize is that it would be simpler for the American secret services to ensure the perfect secrecy of his own scheme to eliminate him once all orders to make it work were given. Had he escaped or survived the assassination in Dallas he would have been rapidly known as the very disappointing false liberal and real decadent machiavellian prince he was, one year of tabloid media coverage would have revealed him as an embarrassment to America, even though he was most probably due to die from his chronic illness before campaining for reelection. Thanks to his assassination he was transfigurated from the Nero he was into a kind of perfect tragic hero he was to become in the American dreamworld. In brief he was killed for obeying just to well, to the point of being more useful after death as a model, not for dissent of any kind (even though like all corrupt politicians who feel death to be impending he started making timid regrets and confessions about the power structure around him just a few days before, but in doing so he did no better than for instance FBI’s Hoover or France’s Mitterrand or Israel’s Sharon just before entering mysterious coma).

      Let us not be fooled by some allegations as to him having envisioned to do away with the FED by giving back the American state the right to print money : all he did in reality was allowing the American state to emit BONDS (not currency units) payable in metallic silver rather than in USD proper, a way different thing, actually a first move (by avowing the USD was subject to inflation in metallic terms as a judicial precedent to impose other decisions later on) to stealthily undo the convertibility of the dollar into precious metal as was to be finalized under Nixon. Let us not be deluded he envisioned doing away with the CIA : if anything JFK was an overuser of its assassination services, he just wished for the agency, which was then quite decentralized, to be eventually conflated with the FBI. And let us not imagine he was anti-Israel : when he refused Israel the authorization to go nuclear that was under the American Nuclear Industry Lobby’s pressure which was then a more Jewish thing than its Israeli counterpart : Israel was seen as too young, too lefty, too hippie-like to be entrusted with everything at once, the real Jewish capital of the world was Manhattan, not Tel Aviv. Israel as an offshore power centre was still in construction and JFK’s only concern, shared by his close Jewish appointees as well as by most conservative American Jews, was that it might fall under Soviet pressure for lack of maturity in operating secret services. In those kinds of affairs JFK heeded and obeyed the voice of best-established moneyed interests without delving too much deeply. Thanks to the JFK perfect model of media-tailored politicians the way was paved for Clinton and Obama to come thereafter as natural heirs.

    159. Peredur says:
      @lysias

      Oswald was the official patsy for the assassination, so there clearly is something that connects Mohrenschildt. If he were just a friend of Oswald and not of the Bouviers, then that would be different. What suggests a connection is that he was a friend of both.

      On the other hand, I agree that it could just be a coincidence. It could also be deliberate misdirection. In other words, the conspirators could have asked Mohrenschildt to make contact with Oswald in order to set up a false lead for future investigators.

      I am not convinced one way or another, but I thought it would be worthwhile to mention the issue to see what others had to say about it.

      • Replies: @Alden
    160. Iris says:

      This article is fantastic. Smart, very original, courageous, well-informed, rational, well-constructed; it is just fantastic

      Just two points:

      – The “George” magazine cover with actor Woody Harrelson pictured as vulnerable as Christ, and illustrated with the “What does America believe” headline is a mirrored symbolic image, and a clear hint to JFK Jr’s unquenched quest for truth about President Kennedy’s assassination.

      The father of Woody Harrelson, Charles Harrelson, was 100% involved in the Dallas assassination plot. He was one of the “three tramps” found hiding near the Grassy Knoll, and strangely released by the Dallas Police. One of the “three tramps”, Chauncey Holt, later atoned and made a full and irrefutable confession.

      – As early as 1999, the US Zionist lobby needed to get rid of a charismatic Kennedy, well loved and considered in NY, and hell-bent on conspiracies, because they already had 9/11 well ready in their false flag pipeline.

      • Agree: Robjil
      • Replies: @utu
      , @Alden
      , @Laurent Guyénot
    161. Alden says:
      @Peredur

      Mohrenschildt dated one of Jackie’s aunts when she was about 8 years old before ww2. Not much of s connection

    162. ariadna says:
      @Authenticjazzman

      So you don’t believe Jackie had JFK offed. OK. I am willing to consider all plausible suspects.
      How about the Mormons? Two strong indicators point to their possible
      involvement in the assassination: (1) The Mormons are known to hate the Catholics; and (2) no one has ever mentioned the Mormons as suspects in any of the myriad conspiracy theories. Ever! Think about it. What other organization/group is capable of such as perfect job of covering their tracks. None.

      • Troll: utu
    163. Peredur says:
      @ariadna

      “What other organization/group is capable of such as perfect job of covering their tracks.”

      It is the organization that controls the government and the media that is capable of doing this. In other words, the same organization that was responsible for 9/11 and other major deceptions. It compartmentalizes knowledge of operational details using the need-to-know rule, but it can still be regarded as the same overall entity carrying out all of these deceptions, with the same general goals always applying.

      • Replies: @ariadna
    164. Alden says:
      @utu

      Basic genetics is taught in college anatomy courses. It’s a required course for any one studying medicine nursing any kind of medical technician sports team trainers & medics EMTs paramedics etc.

      Baldness and hemophilia as well as appearance;

      Grandparent to same sex grandchild through opposite sex child. Basic anatomy.

      Look st Pres and Mrs Kennedy and their 2 children. Girl Caroline looked like her father. Boy John looked like his mother. Basic anatomy course genetics as taught in every college anatomy course.

      Grandmother ovarian cancer inherited by granddaughter through grandma’s son father of granddaughter who inherits granma’s tendency to ovarian cancer.

      You just want to start a ridiculous fight because you know nothing about the medical anatomical facts about inheritance. Anatomy courses are concerned about inherited diseases not appearance but the same principles apply.

      Just look at you own family or all those tabloid people. For instance Bras Pitts natural daughters look like him, not Angelina Jolie. As the twin boy gets older, he is getting to look like Angelina Jolie.

      Bruce Willis’ daughters follow the standard pattern, unfortunately they look like him, not their pretty mother.
      On of Arnold Swartchneggers daughters is one of the 20-30% exceptions. She’s lucky she looks like her attractive mother not her coarse featured cave man father.

      You just want to carry on an argument with the both scientific facts of medicine anatomy and genetics and something that can be observed by observing any family especially re: appearance baldness and heridatory disease.
      But a second hand human anatomy book on amazon and read it instead of posting your ignorance for the sake of argument.

      Or just google pictures of Pres and Mrs Kennedy and their children. That family is a perfect example of what’s written in every anatomy course.

      • Replies: @utu
      , @dcite
    165. Alden says:
      @ariadna

      Good for you. Here’s my conspiracy theory about the asassination. The Kennedy’s, (not Mrs Kennedy ) did it themselves to get a sympathy vote in the upcoming 1964 re election. It’s no worse than the theory that the Dallas police officer who was shot by someone who looked a lot like Oswald was actually Oswald’s get away driver

      Come, let us discuss

      • Troll: NoseytheDuke
      • Replies: @ariadna
    166. Skeptikal says:
      @Jake

      “Why risk JFK Jr? Get rid of him before he holds any office. Do not risk any movement growing up around him, ”

      Yes, that makes perfect sense.
      I can’t help suspecting the Clintons, but in truth I doubt that they had *That* type of clout. Or connections.

      Someone has to organize these things. Someone powerful has to hire the organizer, the “engineer”: tell him to go ahead and hire specialists (snipers, people who can wire up a plane iwth a bomb, etc.). Who can manage payments to specialists and others as well as travel arrangements. And who can manage the cover-up. I really can’t see Bill Clinton as someone who would have a clue as to what to do, even if his wife wanted him to get rid of her rival. And I don’t see Hillary as having the needed political clout and control, either in NY or Massachusetts, to swing that kind of deal (unlike Johnson, in Texas, who was well placed to carry out the orders of a cabal convened to eliminate Kennedy and push him forward: to “hire” on the “engineer” and find others to “stage-manage” events on the ground in Dallas).

      Another small and nebulous point that points to Israeli involvement is that it requires a multi-generational outlook to carry on the policy to the third generation. As mentioned, most Americans are surprised to learn, say, that Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney were not “newcomers” to the Bush II presidency but had already been around the Nixon administration. I think most Americans are too trusting and naive to understand the level of continuity of the Deep State and those who work within and for it. But I think this way of thinking is second nature to the Israelis. From the get-go when they started to settle Palestine they were planning to displace and supplant the Palestinians, even if it took a few generations. The Holocaust was a circumstance that Zionists used to further a goal that they always had. Antything that threatens that long-range goal has to be eliminated.

      So, purely from that point of view it is easy to imagine that the Israelis contyinue to see a threat in the Kennedys. Catholicism forbids belief in suspicion and otherworldly curses. I speculate some Kennedy “children” or are polilicians have chosen not to pursue the White House not because of a “Kennedy curse” but because they are aware with more or less conviction or insight that there is, actually, a malign *human* force out there that as the clandestine power to prevent another Kennedy from ever entering the White House.

      From this point of view only it is surprising that JFK Jr. flew his own plane to MV that evening—if he had big political ambitions I should think he would have realized that getting into a small plane at night is making himself vulnerable to enemies.

      Which raises an other question, which is, how would potential enemies of JFK Jr. have known his plans and been able to make the arrangements to place bombs, have a vessel in place to shoot a missile, etc.?

      • Replies: @Friday
    167. Skeptikal says:
      @Closed-captioned for the hard of thinking

      “Bill, recruited at Oxford by Cord Meyer,”

      I didn’t know that!
      What is the source of this info?
      Meyer is a very interesting character.

    168. bluedog says:
      @Sean

      The artical is on JFK Jr. not his mother father nor grandfather,the artical is was he murdered by the deep state or those with links to it,and seeing none of the posters are qualified to render a decison as if he was qualified or not to be flying a plane, what the weather conditions were which makes it nothing more than pis*ing down my leg and trying to convince its raining.!!

      • Replies: @Sean
    169. Alden says:
      @Sean

      The Nixon Kennedy TV debates were not really in live time. In the few minutes before they were aired, they were carefully edited to make Kennedy look good and Nixon bad.

      Even so, Kennedy barely squeaked through in the general election when the corrupt Chicago democrats found enough dead people’s ballots to swing the Illinois electoral votes to Kennedy.

    170. Alden says:
      @Hank

      The LBJ theory makes a lot of sense. At least there’s a clear motivation.

    171. Skeptikal says:
      @Steve Naidamast

      What about with a co-pilot who was instrument rated?

    172. @jeff stryker

      That seems more on target than the unadorned fact of having failed the Bar exam.

    173. Alden says:
      @jeff stryker

      What’s your point? JFKjr, like many people, including Yale law school Hikdabeast Clinton failed the Bar once. Lots of people fail the Bar first time. When there are too many attorneys in each state, The State Bar raises the pass score to prevent too many hard scrabble attorneys lowering wages in their professional association guild labor union.

      It’s always easier to pass the State Bar exams in Idaho Montana and other states where there are few attorneys than in Massachusetts New York State California Illinois which are overloaded with attorneys.

      Too many attorneys already, The State Bar makes the exam harder and raises the passing score.

      So what if you know a few attorneys and judges. So do many people on a professional level. It was all over the news when Junior failed the Bar first time and then passed it.
      A law school grad failing the Bar once or even twice doesn’t mean the person is dumb. Just graduating from law school means the person is intelligent, studious and a bit of a grind.

      • Replies: @lavoisier
    174. Skeptikal says:
      @Wizard of Oz

      I don’t know why this account would be considered authoritative.
      It contains a lot of speculation presented as fact:
      recreations of possible thoughts in Kennedy’s mind.
      Fiction.
      It doesn’t at all refute the speculations presented in the article.

      • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    175. Alden says:
      @Robjil

      Standard genetics taught in every anatomy and medical course

      Great grandfather Jack Bouvier through daughter Jackie Kennedy through granddaughter Caroline Kennedy to her son, great grand son of Jack Bouvier, John Schlossberg.

      It’s also something that can be observed in your own family, neighbors friends celeberities and tabloid people like Chelsea Clinton who looks a lot like Hildabeast’s friend Walt Hubbel who was around when Chelsea was conceived and others, like Bruce Willis’ unfortunate daughters who look just like him not their pretty mother

    176. Alden says:
      @ben sampson

      Have you ever looked at high school pictures of J Edgar Hoover? It’s a wonder he was admitted to the White schools in the segregated DC school system of the time.

      Your posts about Eisenhower are interesting I never heard that, but then Eisenhower propaganda is so much less than the Kennedy propaganda. Wasn’t he from Kansas? Kansas got a lot of blacks after the civil war as part of some Freedmen’s Burea resettlement policy as well as the 1840 to 1860 period when Kansas was a pro slavery territory

      • Replies: @Hibernian
    177. Prusmc says:
      @DESERT FOX

      JOHN Tower, E. HOWARD Hunt’s wife, Sen. Heinz, widow married John Kerry, Ron Brown and the beat goes on.

      • Agree: DESERT FOX
    178. This author and his acolytes have me seriously thinking about writing a book to show how a skilled driver like Teddy Kennedy could never have driven off a bridge.

      • Replies: @Alden
    179. Alden says:
      @ben sampson

      It’s hard to tell from the picture. Nose is slightly broader at the tip than husbands Lips are the standard perfectly sculpted very thin Scots British. Tapered perfect jaw and chin are very N European standard pretty.

      The other reference is from a standard every famous person has a bit of black ancestry black power site.

      Thanks for the references. Lots of White Americans have a bit of black, especially old American southerners Most black Americans have a lot of White.

      There are many internet rumors that Eisenhower was a Jew who killed a million German POWs as Jewish revenge.

      The black power site says his mother was from Virginia and his mother died when she was 5. Maybe the husband of the White family that took her in was her natural father, a common practice

    180. lavoisier says: • Website
      @anom

      They claimed that they w ere gagged and would have lost pension and jobs.

      So they lied to protect their damn pensions??

      Where is the integrity and the willingness to lose everything to speak the truth?

    181. Alden says:
      @Jim Christian

      That limo was owned by a Muslim. Yet the Jewish press didn’t jump on it. Latest anti Semitic scandal is some evil Nazi KKK French nationalist wrote the word Juden on a Paris bagel shop owned by a Jew. 99.99999 chance it was a pro Arab immigrant Jew looking to raise money from Jewish donors for some tax evading Israeli organization

      Very strange the Jewish press ignored the Jewish victims of the crash.

    182. wayfarer says:

      “JFK Assassination: What really happened.”

      …..

    183. @renfro

      Spatial disorientation while flying might be difficult to understand as renfro infers. Something happens to the inner ear which normally gives us our sense of balance and spatial awareness. But when the eye is taken out of the equation that’s when strange things begin to happen. I’ve flown in clouds for a long time and after awhile I feel sure I am in a 30 degree or more bank even though the artificial horizon indicates straight and level. And many more similar situations. As renfro states many pilots have not survived their adventures, JFK Jr was one of them.

      • Agree: renfro
    184. @Skeptikal

      Nowhere do I come near to suggesting it is authoritative but on the question I was addressing, which you seem to have completely missed, it is a good starting point for making commenter Squilby examine his apparently false memory about the time of the crash.

    185. utu says:
      @Alden

      Grandparent to same sex grandchild through opposite sex child. Basic anatomy.

      You are holding strange theories in your mind. Perhaps form some early 1920 pseudo scientific books like about phrenology.

      A grandson on autosomal chromosomes statistically has 25% DNA of each of 4 grandparents and his X chromosome is statistically 50/50 from both of his maternal grandparents.

      There is no statistical preference for grandsons to look more like maternal grandfathers. You believe in load of nonsense. And besides you are trolling this note.

      • Replies: @Alden
      , @Alden
      , @Alden
    186. Alden says:
      @bluedog

      I’m not trying to hikack the conversation. I just replied to Stryker’s posts that John Jr was not the son of Pres Kennedy but either Aristotle Onassis or auto manufacturer Agnelli by mentioning that John Jr looked like his mother and her father which happens to be standard law of human hereditary appearance disease and genetics.

    187. @NoseytheDuke

      Just a starting point for a simple minded chap who probably hasn’t heard of the Guardian or more than glanced at the WSJ or NYT in an airport lounge. Any half decent search gets you back to talking sense about time of day.

      • Replies: @Bill Jones
      , @NoseytheDuke
    188. Alden says:
      @Peredur

      Mohrenschildt dated one, just one of Jackie’s aunts for a short time when Jackie was a child. It’s bardly a connection decades later.

      Jackie had what she wanted, the Kennedy fortune and the Kennedy propaganda machine which made her the most popular adored worshipped famous Flotus ever. She really was the Princess Diana of her time.

      Who knows why she married Onassis.

    189. Alden says:
      @jeff stryker

      Yes indeed it’s difficult to pass the Bar exams, especially in the North east states where The State Bar makes the exam hard to prevent the entrance of more attorneys who’ll bring down the salaries of attorneys.

    190. the Eisenhower’s appeared to have had connections to both Texas and Kansas but more Kansas which they may have felt more at home..Dwight’s parents. Dwight was born in Texas

      that is a very interesting Family – Eisenhower..German and Dutch apparently. I could never get into them deeply enough by time..also turned off by Dwight’s’ apparent crimes. so perhaps I have not been as deep into Eisenhower as I should have been

      Dwight had German blood for sure in his veins. how could he have led that genocide? then again he Killed Lumumba and terrorized the African independence struggles.

      those acts..even now turn me hazy on Dwight. I cant really deal with them. and I don’t know why?

      I doubt the Eisenhowers were ever Jewish..impossible I think. they were always some form of Christian, ultimately were Seventh Day Adventists. nothing I ever read of them even hinted of Jewishness

      The Jewish financial power could have been behind Dwight’s German genocide. but then the Khazar grudge against The Rus seemed to me to override anything they may have held against the Germans.
      anyhow Germans are Goy.. and we know the quality of the regard the Khazars hold for all Goy

      but thanks for pointing me to Hoover and his appearance..his phenotype. I never ever suspected anything of the sort. hahahahaha!

      suddenly however, time is of a premium but I will find some to look at hoover. interesting

      • Replies: @utu
    191. Sean says:
      @bluedog

      Given who he was, I am sure political possibilities were never very far from his mind. There is more than one way to skin a cat though and it seems to me he is a man who could have been vulnerable to being diverted or discredited. Another murder seems a less than tidy way of handling a political career that had come to nothing. Maybe he thought the CIA was in in on it, but Mark Lane was not killed after he started talking about the conspiracy, was he?

      John Jr was qualified to fly in certain conditions, but the weather deteriorated and he flew into a type of situation in which even professional pilots have made fatal errors. Also, he had a couple of women on board and their conversation would not help him concentrate. People loved him but sometimes having looks, charm and social skills and a distrust of the CIA are not a help, quite the opposite. When one is flying a plane one must trust the instruments not one’s inner ear.

      The type of thinking that makes an individual believe in a conspiracy is not what is needed when dealing with nature.

      ACCORDING to Premack and Woodruff, who originated the term, theory of mind describes the ability to infer that other people experience mental states like our own. They claim that such a capacity may properly be viewed as a theory because mental states are not directly observable, and can be used to make predictions about the behaviours of others (Premack & Woodruff, 1978).

      Conversely, the inability to attribute such states to others that is seen in autism has been graphically described as ‘mindblindness’. People with autism tend to be insensitive to other people’s feelings, are poor at interpreting others’ intentions, beliefs and knowledge, and often fail to anticipate the reactions that other people will have to their behaviour. They have difficulty dealing with misunderstandings, and are often unable to practice, detect, or understand deception.

      The earliest and most influential JFK conspiritorialists were 100% Jewish. Authors Léo Sauvage, Mark Lane (who told Jimmy Jones that the CIA was out to get him, then fled as the massacre started), and Richard Popkin who were a French journalist, a lawyer and a distinguished philosophy professor respectively. Also David Lifton, Norman Mailer, Harold Weisberg, Sylvia Meagher (subject indexed the Warren Commission report), Mae Brussell and lesser known ones like Jones Harris, and even latecomers like James H. Fetzer. All of them Jewish people.

      Hollywood is exceptionally Jewish because it is mainly Jews who understand how make films that people will actually want to watch enough to pay to see. The comic book superhero genre now so popular in Hollywood was created by a Jewish person with Superman and expanded by Stan Lee ect. It you are looking for a social media start-up whizkid, a political campaign manager, a top notch PR person, a first class attorney or a perceptive psychotherapist you go for a Jewish person. The Jewish people are a gene pool brimming over with mentalistic skills. Unfortunately there is a price to be paid at the extremes and just as “Asperger’s Syndrome is sometimes called ‘the engineer’s disorder’ and authorities in the field comment that ‘it is hard to find a clinical account of autism that does not involve the child being obsessed by some machine or another’”, the mentalistic mode of cognition can fail to see things as they are.

    192. @Che Guava

      Like l said, l was there; l was from there.

      Think of 911: a beautiful clear blue end -of -summer bucolic day. On significant days one remembers the weather,especially, if it stands out.

      It was the thickest pea- soup fog l ever saw. So, the next day l was not shocked by jrs avionic misadventure. …The shock is not lost on me when the scion of power perishes prematurely along with both of his in- laws beautiful daughters…
      Chalk up my empathy and memory of that event to “the brotherhood of suffering between everything alive.”

      • Agree: atlantis_dweller
      • Replies: @Sparkon
    193. utu says:
      @ben sampson

      https://www.history.com/news/eisenhower-billy-graham-religion-in-god-we-trust
      “On February 1, 1953, just 10 days after his inauguration, Eisenhower was baptized and welcomed into the National Presbyterian Church by the Rev. Edward Elson.”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwight_D._Eisenhower
      “His family had a strong religious background. His mother was born a Lutheran, married as a River Brethren, and later became a Jehovah’s Witness. Even so, Eisenhower did not belong to any organized church until 1952. ”

      https://www.eisenhower.archives.gov/research/subject_guides/pdf/Eisenhower_Religion.pdf
      “The religious background of Dwight D. Eisenhower’s family was rooted in the Brethren in Christ Church (River Brethren), a Mennonite offshoot whose members had migrated to Kansas from Pennsylvania and Virginia. Bible reading and prayer were a frequent practice in Eisenhower’s boyhood home. Dwight Eisenhower’s parents, David and Ida, became involved in the “Bible Student” or Russellite movement (forerunner of the Jehovah’s Witnesses) in the late 1890s and early 1900s while continuing to maintain some affiliation with the Brethren in Christ community. There is no evidence that Dwight Eisenhower ever participated in this movement. Our files contain records, which show that Dwight and his brothers attended Sunday School at a local Brethren in Christ church.”

      • Replies: @ben sampson
    194. @JoaoAlfaiate

      Agreed.

      A small conspiracy is easier to hide than a large one.

      Plane crashes get far more thoroughly investigated than other accidents that kill small numbers of people. Many more people are involved. Especially this man’s plane crash, thanks to his unearned celebrity and family connections.

      If the Mossad or whoever wants to off him, why not just tail him for a few weeks, learn his patterns, and arrange for a ‘random’ robbery or bicycle accident? Simplicity and small numbers of people being the hallmarks of successful engineering of all kinds.

      As for the navy running the aircraft recovery, rather than the civilians, that’s just Clinton making a show of bringing all the best resources of the US to bear on the problem. A simple and expensive act of quid pro quo between two political machines, paid for by taxpayers, and proving that our royals are at least as indulged as Britian’s.

      • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
      • Replies: @Precious
    195. Alden says:
      @utu

      You’re dead wrong and every medical text book contradicts your statements.

      Jackie Kennedy’s father Jack Bouvier’s looks we’re passed down to his grandson JFKjr and his great grandson John Schlossberg.

      You know nothing about heredity and hereditary diseases so you decided to jump with your ignorant deniers of the facts that appearance and disease are hereditary and that JFKjr looked like his mother and maternal grandfather and his sister Caroline looks like her father Pres Kennedy.

      You’re the one who’s trolling and getting into a big fight because I posted something you’ve never heard about. Check out the most common afflucation of men, baldness Grsbsfather to grsndson theough the mother

      • Replies: @utu
    196. Alden says:
      @utu

      You obviously never took an anatomy course nor are you a medical practitioner of any kind. Nor do you have any family pictures or any relatives . Then you’d notice that people look like their parents and grandparents. Are you a man getting bald? That’s from your maternal, not paternal grandfather. Do you have a head of thick hair at 70? That’s from your maternal , not paternal grandfather

      Diabetes? Respiratory problems? Cancer? Early cardio vascular problems? Check your paternal grandfather if you’re a man. Why do you think Drs have you fill out a lengthy form about your parents and relatives diseases age at death and other questions when you see a physician? Because disease and health, like appearance ce are hereditary.

      Fact, JFKjr looked like the Bouviers. His sister looks like the Kennedy’s

      • Replies: @utu
    197. Alden says:
      @Wizard of Oz

      Especially as Ted was a well known abstainer from alcohol. Must have been the CIA Mossad.

    198. @NoseytheDuke

      It’s the zine of election for the educated and advanced — or don’t you aspire to be one? Lol.

    199. Alden says:
      @Robjil

      Lumumba’s death was all over the news the day after he was killed. It’s hard to believe the president of the US didn’t hear about the death for 4 weeks.

      Kennedy preached a lot of idealistic missionary nonsense about saving Africans from themselves and the big bad European colonial powers. There was the peace corps and the program that brought thousands of Africans to American colleges, including Obama’s father, department of agriculture missions to Africa and all sorts of idealistic c**p.

    200. Laurence Leamer wrote:

      “believed that in each generation a few powerful men were the rightful leaders of their generation. He thought that he and his sons were part of this natural aristocracy. … Joseph P. Kennedy created one great thing in his life, and that was his family. With acumen as great as his wealth, and limitless purpose, he built a family of sons who sought to reach the peak of American political life. … Joe knew that he had achieved so much in America because of the liberty and opportunities. He believed that sons of privilege and wealth had an obligation to serve their country and to return something of the bounty that they had inherited. Joe taught that blood ruled and that they must trust each other and venture out into a dangerous world full of betrayals and uncertainty, always returning to the sanctuary of family. His sons took on part of Joe’s psychological makeup, the sense of lives without boundaries and ambitions without restrictions.”

      This is absolute incoherent drivel. Not only is it piss-poor writing of a gushing, tabloid sort, but it also has a deranged quality to it which hovers over truth like some kind of homosexual specter that is too faggy and hysterical to alight upon solid ground. I don’t know how anybody could quote this with a straight face.

      • Replies: @ben sampson
    201. @Sean

      I would be interested to read an elaboration of your last 13 words. Examples, illustrations, generalizations about tendencies????

      Has it perhaps got to do with story telling? Believing one’s own fantasies, maybe just getting excited by them and enjoying pulling off the sale?

    202. Sean says:

      Not to mention the fact that to let JFK Jr. live longer would be taking the risk of having a JFK III coming into this world: more trouble in perspective. Indeed, Carolyn may have been pregnant when she died with her husband.

      What!

    203. ariadna says:
      @ariadna

      I wish to retract my statement about the Fed Res Act, which upon reflection may be a dog whistle, given the ownership/control of the Fed Res. Such a statement may project an ugly stereotype inciting anti-semitism. I regret if I inadvertently triggered painful memories of persecution in our long-suffering betters.

    204. ariadna says:
      @jeff stryker

      Yeah,he definitely looked Greek, specifically like a descendant those Greeks who settled in the southern Ireland (the fishing was good) before the Romans and came to be known as Black Irish. The Celtic languages always sounded Greek to me.

    205. Hibernian says:
      @Miville

      You sure have access to some good drugs. Try to remember there’s such a thing as paragraph breaks.

    206. Hibernian says:
      @Alden

      Kansas would have been culturally Southern if nature had taken its course, since it is and was directly west of Missouri; however, an organized movement by New England abolitionists in the 1850s made it staunchly pro-Union, culturally Midwestern, and rock ribbed Republican. There was a counter movement to encourage pro-slavery Missourians to settle in Kansas; one sponsor was named Atchison after whom Atchison, Kansas was named. This town was the Athison in “Atchison, Topeka , and Santa Fe,” the RR ultimately merged into the present BNSF.

      • Replies: @Alden
    207. ariadna says:
      @Peredur

      Obviously, if you know what they are responsible for they are not in any organization capable of a perfect job of covering their tracks. So you have not adequately refuted my Mormon consp. theory

      • LOL: atlantis_dweller
      • Replies: @Prusmc
    208. Prusmc says:
      @ariadna

      The Kennedys were an arrogant and entitled lot. JFK,jr. did not seem to be consummed by burning ambition. In 1999, Gore had a lock on the Democrat nomination. W was not a sure thing for the Republicans.
      Unlikely, JFK,jr would go for the top immediately. More likely Senator from NY as a start. Whose long term political prospects would a Kennedy as Senator possibly frustrate? Who controlled the CIA, the FBI (Ruby Ridge), the ATFE ( Branch- Darvidian compound) and a home grown Mafia going back to Mena?

    209. @utu

      yes! the Eisenhower parents were deeply Christian..not just christian in name only but by immersion/immersed.

      if there was any Jewishness in that family, it would have had to have been way back in Europe in their ancestry. by the time of Dwight D such influence if it ever was had long been subsumed into Ida and David’s beliefs and religious practices

      and as you noted Dwight himself was never religious and was not affiliated to any religion until 1953 when he was already President

      Jewishness as a cause of his actions against German POW’s would have been a result of the imposition of their financial/political influence

      and Maybe Dwight became Presbyterian finally, in attempted expiation of his German POW’ sin’ yet I don’t know if that was not simply to ensure that the German nation did not rise again as a military power. the Germans were horribly used and abused in that war..not the Jews and their Holohoax.

      revenge is always a concern of the victors. they must take pains to ensure that what they perpetrated on the defeated does not turn around on them in time

    210. Of course CIA killed JFK Junior too. They cleaned the clan up just like they cleaned up the Al-Awlakis, their more recent minor political enemies. What’s interesting is the survival of RFK Jr. CIA has never been more exposed. Their DCI is a criminal in universal jurisdiction. With a clever Kennedy in the White House the Marshals could gut the DO in an afternoon.

      https://medium.com/@jeff_kaye/first-thailand-then-guantanamo-now-poland-what-was-cia-director-haspels-actual-role-in-the-rdi-d942806a46b2

      Is there a tacit truce? Or is the family going to take another shot at decapitating America’s Gestapo?

    211. Sparkon says:
      @Stonehands

      I was in Glen Cove
      […]
      Like l said, l was there; l was from there.

      Not exactly. You neglected to mention that Glen Cove is 160 miles from Martha’s Vineyard.

      By all accounts, JFK Jr.’s plane went down off Martha’s Vineyard not off Glen Cove. meaning of course that John Kennedy Jr. and his plane and passengers flew safely past your area with no apparent difficulty at all, irrespective of that thick fog you claim you saw in Glen Cove that night. Some fogs are local you know.

      But at least now you have established a golden — or should I say thick? — standard for fogs to guide you from now on whenever thick fogs roll in, which I take it must be a common occurrence at your location.

      Kennedy’s airplane was equipped with an instrument showing the position of the wings with respect to the horizon, and also an auto pilot. The argument that he got disoriented and crashed is not convincing. He’d flown that leg on numerous occasions, including at night, and also under rainy conditions and 800 ft. ceiling, according to Wayne Madsen.

      Madsen also reports that conditions around the Vineyard were reported to the NTSB by the tower manager to have been excellent, with 8 to 12 miles visibility.

      The photo shows that much of the passenger compartment did not remain intact and appears to have been peeled open. The right wing and right horizontal stabilizer were also detached from the airplane, while the left wing, left horizontal stabilizer and vertical stabilizer were all relatively intact. Madsen reports that much of the airplane’s electrical equipment was melted.

      The FBI discovered that there was “suspicious boating activity” in an area of Martha’s Vineyard where Kennedy’s plane was descending to 2000 feet for its final approach to the airport. The “suspicious” boaters claimed to be fishing for striped bass. However, when the FBI asked local fishermen to corroborate the suspicious boaters’ story, they stated that the particular area where they were discovered was not an area where Atlantic striped bass would be found. In fact, salt water striped bass do not start to run in Massachusetts coastal waters in great numbers until the autumn.

      The FBI also found an unusual number of extra batteries in the fishermens’ boat. The FBI was suspicious of the boat’s contents because after the plane’s wreckage was discovered, investigators found, according to Kennedy’s friend, that every light bulb, including that in the emergency flashlight, had been blown out on the plane and every circuit board, including those in the engine sensors and other electronic equipment, had been literally “melted.” FBI agents on the scene preliminarily concluded that a “massive electromagnetic event” caused Kennedy’s plane to crash.

      http://www.whale.to/c/jfk_jr5.html

      Missing seat. Evidence destroyed. Media distortion of the facts. Pentagon in charge. Melted electronics…

      ‘Nothing to see here. Move along.

      • Replies: @Stonehands
      , @Alden
    212. @Intelligent Dasein

      “This is absolute incoherent drivel. Not only is it piss-poor writing of a gushing, tabloid sort, but it also has a deranged quality to it which hovers over truth…..”

      hahahahaha. noted in passing. funny indeed..and accurate

      why americans are wrapped up in the Kennedys still I don’t know. I do admit that as a kind I too was wrapped up, and I remember this kid here with some fondness. but that is it

      I had JFK’s speeches when he attacked the money power and its clandestine hold on the nation. his executive order to print silver backed dollars was masterful but not his inability to protect himself as if he never expected such a report for his attack on the money power.

      how in the hell could he not? what did he think they would not attack an american president after the massive global sins they had always been involved in? did he not know they had killed presidents before him.

      that was so unsophisticated and costly. it led to the death of his entire family..that level of performance. and he was Irish to..Catholic.. and their long struggle against Anglo depredation. and the Anglos were always sided with the Khazars.

      but again..there were rich..so are the remnants of that family..still very rich I understand. the interest of capitalists and ordinary people, working class people do not merger..all along the way. when capitalist sit down to draw up plans, along with the governments they control, such plans never coincide with the pronouncements and speeches made afterwards by the political leaders to the people. they cant..the interest are different. the capitalists must make profits for their enterprises. profits for the capitalists, and the development of the nation for the people do not coincide

      in the speech of the political leaders all the platitudes of development and economic growth are bandied, no child left behind, equity and justice, security for all, work for men at proper wages, so that they can take care of their families..and on and on and on… but it means nothing..absolutely hot air. they cannot be looking out for the people. the peoples interests are simply not part of the equation..cannot be. for that to be the case the capitalist would have to give up their wealth and place on top of society.

      JFK would not have done that. neither would Bobby or Teddy…or John Jr. in time the people would have to rise against them too. the people should know that from the first, at the start. I would have loved to have seen JFK succeed in getting rid of the Federal Reserve, being free once again to spend american money for the development of american infrastructure free of interest charges. that would have been magnificent. America would have leaped ahead in development and general prosperity. but would it have negated american global imperialism giving the colonized world a chance?

      interesting! and when a developed american working class face to face with technological advance realized that they had gone as far as possible with capitalism that private ownership of the means of production had become counterproductive and had to go… that the development process the nation had been through had prepared the people to take over and establish a democracy capable of continuing the development and safety of the nation..what would he have done..of Bobby after him, then Teddy and John Jr?

      would those brothers advised by the scholars have been aware of such developments and long before turned into their political opposites, and were then already fighting the changes that they themselves had sped up by retaking the federal reserve?

      interesting! I don’t mind such a scenario had it taken place. it might have been a better, more positive challenge to human progress than the one we are now face, given the path we actually took.

      but the Kennedys as some sort of natural american leaders, a quasi royalty is nonsense, a ridiculous approach and entry into the discussion of that history. it would be better if those who write about such history put the entire thing into correct existential perspective, of the social struggle that exists that gave rise to it all..the struggle between rich and those who work for a living as exploited by the rich

      in principle the Kennedys are no friends of ordinary people, do not exists in concert with the interests of ordinary people…in fact exist in opposition to the interest of ordinary people, are the massive and exhaustive exploiters of ordinary people. that is what it is and what ought to inform our collective approach to that history..indeed to all social history

      • Replies: @Stonehands
    213. Sean says:

      https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-imprinted-brain/201901/the-imprinted-brain-theory-in-thousand-words

      An additional implication of the diametric model is that the reduction in mentalism symptomatic of autism can sometimes allow mechanistic cognitive skills to flourish, as in the case of autistic savants. But the symmetry of the model also implies that there could be psychotic savants, with hyper-developed social and political skills which often serve to obscure the underlying psychosis—and usually mitigate it.

      According to this view, normality comprises a mind balanced between extremes of hypo- and hyper-mentalism. Everyone has a cognitive configuration situated somewhere on the autistic/psychotic spectrum, but brain modularity suggests that the particular mix may be a complex blend of differences depending on local gene expression in the brain.

      https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-imprinted-brain/201004/bruno-bettelheim-psychotic-savant?amp

      https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/the-imprinted-brain/201401/the-lasting-lesson-lysenko

    214. the Kennedy assassinations are the result of elitist internecine warfare..a war among the ultimate rich for control of the american pie..and by definition control of the world given american domination of same

      that’s it. The Khazars had developed a powerful global position by financial sleight of hand, financial robbery and enslavement of nations and peoples by debt. they had infiltrated every government and important institution national and global by bribery, blackmail, murder etc. with JFK as President of the USA and leader of the Catholic global power, there arose a confrontation between those powers..Catholic and Khazar/WASP

      JFK challenged the Khazar/WASP power where they live..the money power, control of the US dollar through the federal reserve. Printing American dollars outside the control of the Federal reserve would soon lead to the restitution of the USD to the American people, tossing the Khazar/WASP power out into the cold

      so the Financial power killed JFK and turned him into a saint, and his family into American ‘royalty’. then they built a religion around JFK even as they continued to kill Kennedy brothers. they became saints in the religion..a religion that we practice here and now on this thread

      I am done with it however by saying what I see to be the truth. the only people who made great benefit from the decimation of the Kennedy family are the Khazars and their WASP side kick elites. they are those who killed the Kennedy family. end of case. no others had the slightest interest in the Kennedys apart from the political beauty contest. no one would benefit in any significant way by the death of the Kennedys save those who actually did..LBJ, the Khazar financial power

      no one else had reason and cause and opportunity and means, to kill the Kennedys but those same interests

      that’s it then. what else is there? no actual detailed proof is needed unless there is going to be arrests, charges and fair trial with certain justice at the end of it all. but there is not going to be be punishing themselves for acting in their own best collective interests. so that’s it

      • Agree: ariadna
    215. @Sparkon

      “Madsen also reports that conditions around the Vineyard were reported to the NTSB by the tower manager to have been excellent, with 8 to 12 miles visibility…”
      Jrs. CFI ( certified flight instructor) stated that he would not have felt comfortable with the accident pilot conducting night flight operations on a route similar to the one flown on, and in weather conditions similar to those that existed on, the night of the accident, but jr. stated he wanted “ to do it alone.”

      JFK jr., or someone using his code, had made two weather requests from WSI’s PILOTbrief website, one at 18:33 for a radar image and then again at 18:34 for a route friefing from TEB (Teterboro airport) to HYA (Hyannis) with MVY (Martha’s Vineyard) as an alternate. The weather information he received included the fact that at all the airports in the area, visibility was low.

      ACK 1753: Clear skies; visibility 5 miles in mist; winds 240 degrees at 16 knots.
      CDW 1753: Clear skies; visibility 4 miles in haze; winds 230 degrees at 7 knots.
      HYA 1756: Few clouds at 7,000 feet; visibility 6 miles in haze; winds 230 degrees at 13 knots.
      MVY 1753: Clear skies; visibility 6 miles in haze; winds 210 degrees at 11 knots.

      Another pilot had flown from Bar Harbor, Maine, to Long Island, New York, and crossed the Long Island Sound on the same evening, about 1930. This pilot stated that during his preflight weather briefing
      from an FSS, the specialist indicated VMC for his flight. The pilot filed an IFR flight plan and conducted the flight at 6,000 feet. He stated that he encountered visibilities of 2 to 3 miles throughout the flight because of haze. He also stated that the lowest visibility was over water, between Cape Cod, Massachusetts, and eastern Long Island.

      So, your dodgy information is a single source, Wayne Madsen? lol…

      • Replies: @Sparkon
      , @Alden
    216. ariadna says:
      @Alden

      Let’s. I am open minded and don’t mind you shot down my “Jackie did it” and “the Mormons did it” suggestions.
      So, you say the kennedies did it themselves to get a sympathy vote in the upcoming elections. I like it but it needs to be developed.
      Sympathy for whom? I say it was the ultimate act of altruism and loyalty to the Party. They did it to ensure the democrats’ victory. See, that was back in the days when the democrats were capable of such sublime sacrifice.You can tell how far they have fallen over the ensuing decades from the fact that at the last election they could not even snuff Hillary.

      • Replies: @Alden
    217. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
      @Sean

      Cochran and Harpending alluded to this in their paper on The Natural History of Ashkenazi Intelligence.

      Selection for IQ among the Ashkenazim then would have had associated costs. First, genetic changes that aided fitness in a urban environment where most jobs had high IQ elasticity almost certainly reduced fitness in more typical environments, simply because any such gene frequency change is change away from the optimum mix for a traditional environment. The expectation is that Ashkenazim would most likely suffer competitive disadvantage as peasant farmers or hunter-gatherers, for example.

    218. @Wizard of Oz

      The Grauniad, Which I’ve read since the late 60’s, was, rightly in my opinion, last years winner in James Corbett’s Fake News of the Year award.

      • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    219. @geokat62

      It’s well-known that every Ann Coulter tweet generates antagonistic and premeditated first responders who are presumably paid for their counter-intel ops.

      Likewise, notice that every Unz article critical of Jews always has wise-ass Schlomo first in line. Every time. And these boilerplate unctuous comments are (1) the only comment supporting the Jews, and (2) always generate a dozen or so responses in disagreement.

      Why, it’s almost like they’re hanging around our playground just to pick a fight!

      • Replies: @jeff stryker
    220. @Nancy Pelosi's Latina Maid

      I’m not Jewish but differences in opinion prevent the site from becoming an echo chamber.

      JFK junior, I’m sad to say, was a bit of a loser. He was 38 years old in 1999 and had never expressed any intent to enter politics-heck, he was failing the bar exam when he 30.

      The guy was never going to do much of anything.

      This is just too much for people on her to theorize that the Z cabal had his plane blown up.

      Secondly, as some raging Irish-Catholics on this board who had their schools integrated know, JFK was a Leftist. It is not as if he were some Republican who might alter the agenda.

      • Replies: @Bill Jones
    221. Anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
      @Sean

      The Jewish people are a gene pool brimming over with mentalistic skills. Unfortunately there is a price to be paid at the extremes and … the mentalistic mode of cognition can fail to see things as they are.

      But how could such mentalistic abilities fail to appreciate the perspective of the majorities of their host countries over which they have disproportionate power and influence? They don’t seem just to lack understanding, but have contempt for and lack sympathy with the majorities. This would suggest that either their mentalistic abilities are simply insufficient, or their mentalistic abilities evolved under particular circumstances that shaped them in a certain way. If the latter, their long evolutionary history of horizontal transmission among different nations and societies would appear to be the cause. Vertical transmission, such as from parent to child, evolves symbiosis and benign relations. Whereas horizontal transmission, moving between hosts and societies, evolves virulence and a “take the money and run” approach to things.

    222. @ben sampson

      That about sums up our consternation with the gamut of misdirection and plain- old villainy that is the sclerotic states of America.

      Great comment!

    223. Precious says:
      @JoaoAlfaiate

      This article is hogwash. When a pilot can no longer see the horizon he doesn’t know which way is up.

      If you had read the full article you would note that it asserts that Kennedy could see the horizon…that the bad visibility was fake news.

      The fact the Kennedy had had instrument flight training is irrelevant.

      The article also asserts that there may have been a flight instructor on board…that strikes me as relevant.

      I don’t know if this article is accurate but your rebuttal is not.

      • Replies: @Scott Locklin
    224. Precious says:
      @Rodney1111

      Creating conspiracy theories is lots of fun,

      This article is not a conspiracy theory, it is a conspiracy query.

      but for this one you really do have to go overboard ignoring Occam’s Razor:

      Like you went overboard ignoring the article asserting there may have been a flight instructor on the plane?

      This isn’t mere speculation. Loss of control is the inevitable consequence of a non-instrument rated pilot losing sight of the ground. It is enormously probable that this was JFK Jr’s issue.

      If you had spent less time speculating and more time reading the article in full, you may have noticed this section:

      Jeb Burnside, commercial pilot and editor-in-chief of Aviation Safety Magazine, did a careful analysis of the NTSB report and radar data and confirms that weather conditions and pilot experience (or lack of) fail to explain the crash:

      “On paper, this accident shouldn’t have happened. Despite most of his time being in a training environment, a typical 310-hour instrument-rating student in a well-equipped airplane should have had no problem with this flight.”

      • Replies: @Sean
    225. Precious says:
      @Diversity Heretic

      Agreed. When I took the ground school for my instrument rating the instructor said that the most common observation of a small aircraft crash from the ground, when there is one, is that the plane “exploded.” The disoriented pilot comes out of the clouds in a nose down position, sees the ground coming up, yanks back on the wheel, and the overstressed airframe comes apart. This would be particularly true of a 300 horsepower, six-place retractable like the Piper Saratoga–it’s very “slick” and would build up airspeed very rapidly. An externally-braced fixed-gear aircraft like the Cessna 182 in which John Kennedy trained might have held together, but it probably would made no difference in the low-visibility conditions existing at the time of the accident;

      I am a very intelligent person who doesn’t know a damn thing about flying planes. Your rebuttal would be much more helpful if you more carefully read the article and addressed…
      1) The question of whether the article is correct in asserting that there were no low-visibility conditions when JFK Jr crashed, that the reports of low-visibility were fake news.
      2) The question of whether JFK Jr may have had a flight instructor on board the flight, which the article asserts is possible.

    226. Sparkon says:
      @Stonehands

      So, your dodgy information is a single source, Wayne Madsen? lol…

      No, not at all. I used several sources actually, including the NTSB report, which you used, but failed to cite as your source.

      Be careful that the source you attack isn’t your own.

      Since Madsen wasn’t available, I determined the distance from your location to Martha’s Vineyard using an online distance calculator. In any event, even the visibility reports you’ve quoted indicate conditions varied, but were nowhere like the pea-soup-thick fog you reported hanging around your location in Glen Cove.

      Nowhere man.

      NTSB:

      During an interview, the tower manager stated … the following:
      “The visibility, present weather, and sky condition at the approximate time of the accident was probably a little better than what was being reported. I say this because I remember aircraft on visual approaches saying they had the airport in sight between 10 and 12 miles out. I do recall being able to see those aircraft and I do remember seeing the stars out that night…

      The tower manager’s report attests to local conditions at Martha’s Vineyard airport, and that comes straight from the NTSB, and not Wayne Madsen.

      Also in the NTSB report, JFK Jr. had demonstrated his ability to fly blind, referring only to the instruments to restore the airplane to level flight.

      The CFI who prepared the pilot for his private pilot checkride stated that the pilot had “very good” flying skills for his level of experience.

      On April 22, 1998, the pilot passed his private pilot flight test. The designated pilot examiner who administered the checkride stated that as part of the flight test, the pilot conducted two unusual attitude recoveries. The pilot examiner stated that in both cases, the pilot recovered the airplane while wearing a hood and referencing the airplane’s flight instruments.

      The NTSB report does not mention any melted electrical parts. It states that the airplane crashed into the ocean nose first, but that does not comport with what we can see in the photograph where clearly the right side of the airplane entered the water first and absorbed most of the impact and most of the damage.

      It is not surprising that wings were torn off by the impact, but the condition of the cabin and passenger compartment is more difficult to understand, as its entire top has been sheared off, and the sides were not recovered.

      About 75 percent of the fuselage structure was recovered. A section of the aft cabin roof, about 5 feet long by 3 1/2 feet wide, had separated from the fuselage; this section included the airframe-mounted hinge of the left-side cargo door and a partial frame of the left-side cabin door. The left side of this section exhibited accordion crush damage in the aft direction and contained multiple folds about 5 inches deep. No fuselage structure from the left or right side of the cabin area was recovered, except for a piece of skin, about 2 feet by 2 feet, located beneath the left-side passenger window frame. The belly skin and floor structure of the fuselage were intact aft of the wing spar box carry-through section. The recovered floor structure forward of this section was fragmented. Portions of five of the six seats were found inside the fuselage. The sixth seat was not recovered. Most of the fuselage structure aft of the cabin area was recovered.

      About 60 percent of the right wing structure was recovered, including the entire span of the main spar. The right wing had separated into multiple pieces and exhibited more damage than the left wing.

      (my emphasis)

      • Replies: @Sean
    227. hamtok says:

      If you’re a threat to ZIOS, do not take planes, certainly not private planes, even presidential planes.

    228. @Wizard of Oz

      Regular readers of The Guardian would be privileged to “know” that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, Gaddafi was killing his own people, there’s a “civil” war underway in Syria, Russia invaded Ukraine, interfered in US elections AND poisoned the Skripals, so become a subscriber now!

      The Guardian was once a half-way decent newspaper but that was a long time ago. I’d like to think that you too made sense once but I realise that would have been even further back in time.

      • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    229. While of course thick fog is not ubiquitous, look at what other pilots testified to on the NTSB report. While it was clear at a few thousand feet, there was no visible lights at all at Martha’s Vineyard. No horizon. Haze. Dark night, what pilots refer to as flying into a “black hole.” This requires slavish attention to instruments and completely disregarding the natural warning impulses from the inner ear. Jr. was half way through his instrument training and had a respectable 310 hrs of flight time, but his instructor testified that he still was unable to multitask during instrumentation.

      Anyhow, l understand JFK and Bobby to be wet work, that’s for sure. From TWA 800
      to the so called whacking of Bin Laden and the convenient deep sixing of the evidence- certainly the credibility of our rulers has been forfeited.

      The thing is, while John -John didn’t believe in the whitewash of the warren commission,and was vocal about the possibility of a conspiracy- l haven’t heard any rumblings of disbelief from either side of the parties involved in this particular matter.

    230. Sean says:
      @Precious

      “On paper, this accident shouldn’t have happened. Despite most of his time being in a training environment, a typical 310-hour instrument-rating student in a well-equipped airplane should have had no problem with this flight.”

      This kind of aircraft accident is the most common there is. Based of Junior’s training and experience the odds were against it happening to typical pilot with those skills

      But he was not typical, he was the son of the assassinated President John F. Kennedy, who had shown sub optimal situational awareness in WW2 in getting his patrol boat rammed by a Japanese destroyer. Kennedy men (Teddy and RFK too) had a habit of doing challenging things while not paying proper attention. The Kennedys were brave, but bravery often goes along with a certain recklessness (and Junior had broken his ankle paragliding a few months before). Others liked girls too but John Kennedy and his son made a career out out it, and then they died. Maybe John Junior was intent on emulating his father in the most important respects, but in a way he did, didn’t he?

      • Replies: @Precious
    231. Sean says:
      @Sparkon

      Celebrity has an almost physical effect in disabling normal cognition, as Robert M. Pirsig wrote about realising when he met Robert Redford. A distant relative of mine went to the same gym as John Jr and saw him once. When he mentioned this, all the women in his family were entranced, cooed and wanted to know more. My cousin said “He’s just a guy!”

      The reporting probably did place too much emphasis on the weather conditions as explaining the crash, but everyone in our culture in conditioned into believing JFK jr was something more that he was. The effect of Hollywood has exaggerated the natural bias for assuming that a charming, good looking daredevil is good at everything, and whatever difficulties he might get into, he has what takes takes to win through in the end. After all, he is a leading man type and while an evil genius with a large well resourced organisation may come close to being a match for 007, we know the story will end with James Bond sailing or flying off into the sunset with the girl. Although weather in real life does not always facilitate such a denouement, inside our heads is a moral world like an old movie: black and white.

    232. @NoseytheDuke

      You must be some very strange kind of obsessive to know so much about the Guardian – much more than I do – but then I am not a “regular reader”. Still, you give evidence that there are worse ways you could use your time than burying yourself spluttering with rage and contempt in the online pages of the Guardian whose invitations to support it financially, I trust, you can resist.

    233. utu says:
      @Alden

      Learn basic genetics, you idiot.

      • Replies: @Alden
    234. utu says:
      @Alden

      Educate yourself. I know you are old with ossified brain but you can try. You can start here at Genetic Literacy Project.

      https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2013/10/21/how-do-traits-trickle-down-from-grandparents-to-grandchildren-partially-by-chance/

      How do traits trickle down from grandparents to grandchildren? Partially by chance.

      • Replies: @Alden
      , @Alden
    235. Precious says:
      @Sean

      This kind of aircraft accident is the most common there is. Based of Junior’s training and experience the odds were against it happening to typical pilot with those skills

      But he was not typical, he was the son of the assassinated President John F. Kennedy, who had shown sub optimal situational awareness in WW2 in getting his patrol boat rammed by a Japanese destroyer. Kennedy men (Teddy and RFK too) had a habit of doing challenging things while not paying proper attention. The Kennedys were brave, but bravery often goes along with a certain recklessness (and Junior had broken his ankle paragliding a few months before)…Maybe John Junior was intent on emulating his father in the most important respects, but in a way he did, didn’t he?

      Sean, I have a radical, crazy idea…let’s try reading the article.

      Three certified flight instructors (CFI) quoted in the report describe John as an “excellent”, “methodical” and “very cautious” pilot. In the early days, some newspapers echoed that view with their own research. John McColgan, JFK Jr.’s federal licensing instructor from Vero Beach, Florida, was interviewed for the Orlando Sentinel, July 18, 1999, and said: “He was an excellent pilot. … In fact, by now he probably has enough hours to be a commercial pilot.”[55] One the same day, the New York Daily News quoted flight instructors Ralph and Chris describing John as a careful pilot, always checking meticulously “every nut and bolt on the airplane. … He was very safety oriented. … John was a natural in flying.”[56] On July 21, USA Today published an article titled “Pilot Kennedy was ‘conscientious guy,’” whose lead paragraph said: “John F. Kennedy Jr. attended the Harvard of flight schools, may have had far more flight experience than has been reported and was known at his New Jersey airport for prudence in the cockpit.” The article quoted other people who knew Kennedy as a good pilot.

      So no Sean, according to the article, JFK Jr’s flight instructors did not describe him as “having a habit of doing challenging things while not paying proper attention. ” In fact, maybe part of that caution was the result of seeing how poorly that bravery worked out elsewhere in the family.

      Now I don’t know if those flight instructors were exaggerating because they were starstruck, or if the article excludes some other instructor whose comments were less flattering. I don’t know for sure JFK Jr was a careful pilot.

      But I do know you are not a careful reader Sean.

      • Replies: @Sean
    236. Precious says:
      @Oddsbodkins

      A small conspiracy is easier to hide than a large one.

      That isn’t necessarily true. A large conspiracy can stay hidden by spreading out information on a need to know basis resulting in many people having some information but not enough to complete a picture.

      Plane crashes get far more thoroughly investigated than other accidents that kill small numbers of people. Many more people are involved. Especially this man’s plane crash, thanks to his unearned celebrity and family connections.

      The prior investigation into TWA 800 had been politicized and investigators were prevented from following leads so this objection fails.

      If the Mossad or whoever wants to off him, why not just tail him for a few weeks, learn his patterns, and arrange for a ‘random’ robbery or bicycle accident? Simplicity and small numbers of people being the hallmarks of successful engineering of all kinds.

      Now this objection is legitimate. I don’t know how many, if any, bodyguards he had for personal security. Frankly, if he had been investigating his father’s death he would need a billionaire’s security to stay safe. Jackie had the right idea.

      • Replies: @Sean
    237. Sean says:
      @Precious

      I’m lazy and have more than my share of other faults, but meeting your challenge I can see ever more deeply that you are not thinking this whole thing through properly. John jr did paragliding, which is admittedly an adventure sport, but only as dangerous as you want to make it. He broke his ankle. The odds were against him breaking his ankle, but he did. No one forced him to paraglide, and no one forced him to take off in less than perfect weather with two trusting women passengers. He was the pilot and it was up to him to make sure everything was right and I expect he did satisfy himself as to that. Conscientious you say, very well.

      While JFKjr’s uncle Ted and father were not paying attention in that unexpected moment in their life when it counted, they were not suicidal. If Robert Kennedy really believed his brother had been murdered by a powerful conspiracy he had a very funny way of showing it because when starting his own run for president only five years later ( any masterminds of Dallas would have been still alive and urgently targeting him as a matter of self preservation) he had a single ex FBI man loosely protecting him when Sirhan got though.

      Robert Kennedy had the money for a round the clock team of armed bodyguards (and a bullet proof vest) Patty Hearst was guarded this way by swarms of off duty cops. An Irish bodyguard/ driver let his brother down in Dallas and his left footer ex FBI man Barry was not much good either, but as wall of beef around Kennedy while he was leaving a scheduled engagement (same way Reagan was shot), Irishmen would have been ideal. OK enough toying with you: here comes the coup de grace for the thesis of this article of Guynot.

      If JKF jr had any inkling he might be the target of assassins he would have to be tempting fate to have chosen such an isolated and vulnerable mode of transportation as flying his own private plane, unless … he thought he was James Bond or perhaps Derek Flynt (a cheesy fun imitation of the original). The main point is his passengers. For the avoidance of doubt, if JFK jr thought his father’s death had been the work of a state conspiracy carefully made to look like something else and was going to launch a political career aiming for the presidency, then flying his own private plane left him open to being accident-ed by whoever killed his father. John Kennedy Junior could not have thought his father had been the victim of assassins because that would logically entail him being in tremendous danger from a cabal that hired the original assassins trying for a repeat with him, and he took his wife with him (who may have been carrying his child).

      • Replies: @Precious
    238. Sean says:
      @Precious

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Onassis

      Alexander Socrates Onassis (Greek: Αλέξανδρος Ωνάσης; April 30, 1948 – January 23, 1973) was a Greek-American businessman. He was the son of the Greek shipping magnate Aristotle Onassis
      Onassis died on January 23, 1973, at the age of 24, from injuries sustained the previous day when his personal Piaggio P.136L-2 amphibious airplane, in which he was a passenger, crashed at Hellinikon International Airport in Athens.[16] Onassis was instructing a potential new pilot of the plane, Donald McCusker, at the time of the crash, in his role as President of Olympic Aviation. Onassis and McCusker were accompanied by Donald McGregor, Onassis’s regular pilot, who was recovering from an eye infection.[17] A few seconds after takeoff from runway 33, the plane’s right wing dropped and stayed down, and the plane crashed shortly after losing balance, in a flight lasting no more than 15 seconds.[18] McCusker and the othe

    239. Precious says:
      @Sean

      . John jr did paragliding, which is admittedly an adventure sport, but only as dangerous as you want to make it. He broke his ankle.

      Was his wife and her sister passengers when he went paragliding?

      If Robert Kennedy really believed his brother had been murdered by a powerful conspiracy he had a very funny way of showing it because when starting his own run for president only five years later ( any masterminds of Dallas would have been still alive and urgently targeting him as a matter of self preservation) he had a single ex FBI man loosely protecting him when Sirhan got though. Robert Kennedy had the money for a round the clock team of armed bodyguards (and a bullet proof vest)

      It was one of the only times bodyguard Bill Barry left Bobby Kennedy’s side during his crusade for the presidency in 1968, and half a century later Barry still can’t forgive himself…Threats had come in throughout the campaign – that the mob would kill him, or a random madman anxious to go in the history books alongside Lee Harvey Oswald and John Wilkes Booth. Presidential candidates wouldn’t get Secret Service protection until after Bobby was gone, and the senator’s only full-time security man was Barry. In mid-May, Ethel sounded the alarm with a friend: “He’s getting more and more death threats, and I’m worried.” Just a day before the Chinatown rally, the Rev. Edwin King of Mississippi received and passed on a warning that if he won the California primary, Bobby would be assassinated by the same people who killed JFK. Every week during the campaign, the FBI gave press secretary Frank Mankiewicz pictures of potential assassins, and he searched for matches at every rally.

      The truth is that nobody who was closely following the campaign was shocked with what came later. Barry and the Kennedy team did their best to protect him, but Bobby got in the way. He had always been a phobophobe, averse to showing fear. Having a brother gunned down would make most people more cautious, but it made Bobby more fatalistic. “Living every day is like Russian roulette,” he said. “There’s no way of protecting a country-stumping candidate. No way at all. You’ve just got to give yourself to the people and to trust them, and from then on it’s just that good old bitch, luck. Anyway, you have to have luck on your side to be elected President of the United States. Either it is with you or it isn’t. I am pretty sure there’ll be an attempt on my life sooner or later. Not so much for political reasons. I don’t believe that. Plain nuttiness, that’s all. There’s plenty of that around.” If he were elected, he added, he surely wouldn’t use the kind of bubble-topped, bulletproof limousine that LBJ was: “We can’t have that kind of country, where the President is afraid to go among the people.”

      I don’t think Robert Kennedy was that bright, he had full warning.

      As for JFK Jr, I agree with you, the biggest question mark is how much security did he have and if he really was planning on going for political office did he have anyone advising him on just how dangerous that would be.

      • Replies: @Laurent Guyénot
    240. Alden says:
      @utu

      Yadda, yardda yadda blah blahw blah John jr looked like his mother and his maternal grandfather John Bouvier. Caroline Schlossberg looks like her father, standard family inheritance genetics

      Disease and appearance are hereditary and genetic as every Dr and nurse learns in training and everyone who has parents siblings and children knows

      You lost the argument. You can’t deny that John he looked like his mother and maternal grandfather so why continue this silly argument?

      Continue making a fool of yourself and argue about something else you know nothing about; like the fog or lack of that night, John jr’s piloting expertise, did his wife screams cause the spiral, did he have a drink or take an Advil that day and any other idiot blathering you can come up with

      John jr looked like his mother and maternal grandfather and there’s nothing you can dredge up from the internet that can deny that fact.

    241. Alden says:
      @utu

      I did learn basic genetics you idiot and people inherit disease, appearance talents in some things, lack of talent in other things, abilities, disabilities and most things from parents, grandparents, and ancestors.

      You’re wandering all over the place in your silly quest to disprove that JFKjr didn’t look like his mother and maternal grandfather, Jack Bouvier instead of his father, President Kennedy

      You can’t deny what Jack Bouvier, daughter Kacqueling Bouvier Kennedy and her son John Kennedy Jr looked like.

      Why attack me for simply pointing out what was obvious from the time John jr was 13 years old?

      Take out your frustration and anger somewhere else.

      • Replies: @utu
    242. Alden says:
      @ariadna

      I’m sorry I posted that the Kennedy’s did it for sympathy vote. It was just a joke. There are so many theories and a couple thousand books each more ridiculous than the last.

      One of the books had Drs standing by who altered the wounds in the plane going back to DC.

      The endless theories are entertaining if you like the political thriller genre as I do

      • Replies: @ariadna
    243. Alden says:
      @Stonehands

      1930 7/30 pm an hour before 8/38 when Kennedy took off, an hour and a half before JFKjr’s plane arrived at Martha’s Vinyard is a long time at night on the ocean shore. Whatever fog conditions were at 7/30 they weren’t necessarily the same between 9 and 10 pm when the Kennedy plane would have arrived

      1736 5/30 pm, 4 hours before the Kennedy plane arrived. Conditions change, especially near Ocean waters in 4 hours.

    244. Alden says:
      @Hibernian

      Bloody Kansas was a prelude to the civil war. Quantrill’s raiders sent some Laurenceville abolitionists further west and some back to Ohio and Illinois but not Missouri where they were not welcome.

      The picture of Eisebhower’s Mother looks like a 100% White woman. The assertion that Eisenhower’s mother was a little bit black comes from one of those bogus black power web sites that claims that every prominent European including Achilles and the English royal family are a bit black.

      That Eisenhower was some kind of Jew is just an assertion on the pro Germans in WW2 web sites.

      There’s a lot of nonsense on the internet and one should not believe all the information

    245. Alden says:
      @Sparkon

      When did the FBI find and question the boaters with the suspicious number of batteries? Surely not that night or early the next day? Did the suspicious boaters hand around till the FBI noticed and questioned them?

    246. Alden says:
      @utu

      Fact you are trying to deny; Johnjr looked like his mother and her father, john’s maternal grandfather. No amount of your drivel can deny that.

      • Replies: @utu
    247. utu says:
      @Alden

      “I did learn basic genetics ” – No, you did not. If you did, you would not have written the following nonsense:

      “That’s how genetics works, girls take after the father and his mother. Boys take after the mother and her father.”

      As far as I am concerned I do not care how JFK Jr. looks like and which grandfather he resembled more. I did not enter this discussion with you because of that but because of the above nonsensical statement based on some 19 century beliefs that somewhat got stuck in yourold head and you can’t shed it and get with the program of modern science.

      Girls have statically on average from each grandparent 1/4 genes on all chromosomes. The same for boys on autosomal chromosomes only and on X chromosome they have genes 50/50 form maternal grandparents only.

    248. Alden says:
      @utu

      My “strange theory” can be found in textbooks studied in every medical and nursing school in the world you argumentative fool. One manifestation of my “ strange theory” is baldness.

      Grandfather through mother to grandson.

      • Replies: @utu
    249. utu says:
      @Alden

      “Fact you are trying to deny” – I do not care how John Jr. looked like, you idiot. But I do care when an idiot who does not understand genetics makes false statements like this one:

      “That’s how genetics works, girls take after the father and his mother. Boys take after the mother and her father.”

      on basis of which he makes some theories.

      You are a troll. You are trolling this article. We all know you hate Kennedies or JFK. You said it yourself. Stop trolling with your nonsense.

      • Replies: @Alden
    250. Alden says:
      @Iris

      Some say Harrelson was the real trigger man who shot Kennedy.

      This is my opinion. Whether Oswald killed Kennedy or not, he’d been a self proclaimed Marxist since his teens. He defected to Russia. In the marines he spoke favordbly of Russia and Marxism. His wife and children were living in the home of the son and daughter in law of the leader of the American Trotskyite faction when Kennedy was killed.

      The Jewish liberal media academia and literalists were gobsmackec, bolversed absolutely totally schocked when one of their own, an avowed anti American communist shot the liberal media God Kennedy.

      Just my opinion from observing the reaction of liberal college professors and other liberals in total shock the weeks after the killing.

      Then along cane the Jewish leftist Mark Lane and the rest. They even claimed the Dallas police officer killed by someone who looked very much like Oswald was the getaway driver of the real assasin

      The liberal commie anti White fervor about Kennedy is no different than the Duke lacrosse Michael Brown Twana Bradley and all the rest of the Jewish liberal commie anti White racism propaganda America has been swamped in since the end of WW2.

      Selfi proclaimed communist Oswald didn’t do it. It was Dallas police FBI CIA secret service state of Texas anti school bussing Whites ever one the liberal commie Jews could point a finger at.

      And gullible White conservatives the thousands of Who Killed Kennedy books carefully manufactured to distract the idiots.

      The 1964 civil rights act giving all power to blacks was passed because of Johnson’s speech a few months after the martyrdom. “ It’s what the God like martyr John the Good wanted. Let the civil rights act be his legacy”

      • Replies: @Hank
      , @Hank
    251. utu says:
      @Alden

      The case of baldness via maternal grandfather which btw is not entirely true (*) does not support your nonsensical statement

      “That’s how genetics works, girls take after the father and his mother. Boys take after the mother and her father.”

      Can you see it or are you too dumb?

      (*) “So, what’s the bald truth on baldness? Male pattern baldness can be inherited from either side of a person’s family, and there are ways you can learn more through a DNA test.”
      https://blog.helix.com/male-pattern-baldness-genetics/

      (*) “The reason why the maternal lineage idea is a myth is simply because of all these other factors that come into play, the X chromosome is hardly the only indicator of baldness. New research shows that other chromosomes affect hair loss. There are 11 other genetic sequences of varying importance identified so far, located on chromosomes 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 12, 17, 18, and 20. You inherited these chromosomes from both your mother and father, who inherited them from their mothers and fathers.”
      https://www.crigenetics.com/blog/is-baldness-inherited-from-your-mother-or-father/

    252. Alden says:
      @utu

      [Too many totally off-topic comments about JFK Jr’s looks and genetic inheritance issues to publish.]

    253. @jeff stryker

      Since when has stupidity ever been an impediment to achievement in American politics?

    254. @Steve Naidamast

      Also, I understand that this was basically a night flight, which by law required an instrument rating.

      You DO NOT need an instrument rating to fly at night in the US. I already wrote that once.

    255. @alexander

      The control tower guy has no say in who’s licensed and rated in anything. It’s just not part of his job, Alexander. JFK Jr. was MOST CERTAINLY a certified pilot. He was not in official instrument conditions – in that area most likely > 3 miles visibility and >2,000 ft sideways, >500 ft. below, and >1,000 ft above any clouds* of which it doesn’t sound like there were any.

      It does not work the way Mr. Naidamast has been saying, and I wish he’d quit spreading erroneous information on here. Nobody, but nobody, files a flight plan for a non-instrument flight anymore except for in training, just to do it. There’s not much point anymore, with GPS for reporting location during emergencies, etc.

      The flight plan is NOT a concern of the Air Traffic Controllers! For instrument flight, a “clearance” is required, which is obtained by filing a flight plan (usually, but not always). If there is no instrument clearance given, and the weather is officially instrument conditions, yes, you will be questioned as to how you will leave VFR or will be illegal to get a take-off clearance.

      * Yes, this rule is definitely not one that a pilot can follow to the letter, especially the cloud clearance requirements. Visibility is easier to estimate.

    256. Hank says:
      @Alden

      In retrospect, a lot of major legislation passed that would not have had a chance (and was also unpopular), almost as if some long term planning went into it. As for the suddenly progressive Lyndon Johnson, let’s just say he was somewhat vulnerable. A couple of items come to mind. The 65′ immigration bill and the supreme court ruling, after Johnson appointed 2 justices, that led to dual citizenship. Then again, everybody got something. I have to mention that long term profitable war.

    257. Barry says:

      Excellent article. As Fletcher Prouty said : ‘To understand who was responsible look at the coverup.” (or words to that effect). Normal procedure following the disappearance of an aircraft over sea is for search and rescue to proceed forthwith to the last known position and carry out search radiating from this area. In the JFK Jr case this was not done. Instead the Navy and Coastguard cordoned off the area and the official search did not begin until some time had passed. This in a situation where if rescue is possible not a second should be wasted. Note that the same failure to carry out normal scene investigation took place after the JFK and RFK assassinations and also 9/11, MH17 and MH377. In the case of the Kennedy deaths and 9/11 this implies prearrangement and can be considered diagnostic that the the Deep State , The Powers That Should Not Be, or whatever term might be applied was involved in the planning and execution of the event.

    258. lavoisier says: • Website
      @Alden

      A law school grad failing the Bar once or even twice doesn’t mean the person is dumb. Just graduating from law school means the person is intelligent, studious and a bit of a grind.

      This is a fact that people who do not reach this level of academic accomplishment fail to understand.

      When you take the SAT you are competing against other high school students.

      When you take the LSAT you are competing against college graduates, a much higher competitive group.

      And when you take the bar exam you are competing against lawyers who have graduated from law school, an even higher level of competition.

      At each incremental stage of accomplishment the competition becomes stiffer. And given that these exams do indeed fail people, there are a lot of smart people who fail these tests for a variety of reasons that may not be reflective of IQ.

      I think I read somewhere that the average IQ of the typical law school graduate puts them into the category of MENSA–the top 2% of the population in terms of IQ.

      • Replies: @Hibernian
      , @Z-man
    259. Agent76 says:

      Nov 23, 2016 53 YEARS AFTER JFK ASSASSINATION CIA ADMITS THIS CONSPIRACY THEORY IS ACTUALLY FACT

      Shortly after noon on November 22, 1963, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated as he rode in a motorcade through Dealey Plaza in downtown Dallas, Texas. It’s been 53 years since the assassination.

      http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB493/docs/intell_ebb_026.PDF

      August 24, 2013 The Great Society A White House Warrior on Poverty, Vietnam and Race

      “The Great Society,” which begins just after Kennedy’s assassination in 1963 and ends in 1968 when Johnson announced he would not seek re-election, takes its history very seriously.

      http://nyti.ms/1iGq0xr

    260. Agent76 says:

      Jan 21, 2019 Celebs and relatives of Martin Luther King Jr. call for new probe into his death ahead of his public holiday as they claim his assassination and JFK, RFK and Malcolm X’s killing were conspiracies covered up by the government

      A group of at least 60 US citizens including journalists, lawyers and historians are calling for new investigations into four history-making assassinations

      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6613747/New-probes-demanded-deaths-John-F-Kennedy-Robert-F-Kennedy-Martin-Luther-King-Jr-Malcolm-X.html?ito=email_share_article-top

      • Replies: @Iris
    261. Hibernian says:
      @lavoisier

      “I think I read somewhere that the average IQ of the typical law school graduate puts them into the category of MENSA–the top 2% of the population in terms of IQ.”

      Probably true of graduates of top 25 (out of about 200) US law schools. Maybe the top 50. Not true of lawyers generally. This is almost certain. Richie Daley is a lawyer, among other examples of definitely non-Einsteinian attorneys,

    262. Iris says:
      @Agent76

      Thanks for posting these most important news, conveniently dismissed by most MSM.

      RFK’s children publicly demanding justice for the Deep State-sponsored murder and cover up of their father is a historic milestone.

      • Replies: @Mike P
    263. Iris says:
      @Mike P

      Indeed. This is a major breakthrough for all victims of the WTC tragedy, obtained solely by the indefatigable courage of the “Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth” collective, who fought two decades against MSM murderous conspiracies:

      https://www.ae911truth.org/grandjury

      One can’t help concluding that this step towards truth is finally happening thanks to the Trump Presidency. With regards.

      • Agree: Mike P
    264. Rex says:

      Certainly plausible but what about Edward? Why didn’t he object to the burial at sea? Did he not have any suspicions? I certainly don’t recall reading or hearing anything at the time. And was there more to the Chappaqquidick incident?

    265. Anonymous[349] • Disclaimer says:
      @SunBakedSuburb

      Death by small airplane crash is the common denominator of the Clinton Death List.

      Most people know little about airplanes and readily believe that airplanes simply drop out of the sky and are otherwise subject to supernatural phenomena.

      A car crash would need to be far more authentic to be believable. Nobody would believe that a car simply “blew up” or “drove off the freeway” unless the driver was incapacitated.

      • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
    266. Z-man says:
      @lavoisier

      As Shakespeare wrote, ‘First, let’s kill all the lawyers.’ Whether they pass or fail the Bar. Even lawyers at a bar.
      All seriousness aside I am in the engineering field and certain disciplines require a PE (Professional Engineer) license. While not as important as passing the Bar, passing the PE, in certain fields of engineering, can mean an extra 20 or even more thousands of dollars a year in income. But politics and the rest also works, that’s why I call engineering the ‘second oldest profession’, closely related to the first. (Grin)

    267. Anyone have a guess how these Jew websites get so much traffic? You would think white people would smarten up and understand, but they dont.

      • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
    268. @Anonymous

      The Clintons had various and sundry ways to get people killed. They were more creative than most – I’ll give ’em that.

      I understand your point, especially that most people don’t have a clue about flying, as demonstrated somewhat on this very thread. However, car crashes get investigated by city cops or sheriff’s deputies. Plane crashes (especially those with fatalities) get investigated by the NTSB – yes, even if it were a Cessna 172 that your neighbor owns. I don’t think there’s much of a question as to who’s smarter, and NTSB engineer or a city cop.

      • Replies: @Anonymous
    269. @restless94110

      Glad you added your voice to this exchange with a much needed perspective lacking until you showed up

    270. @Rodney1111

      Actually, for this one you really do have to go overboard NOT to end up with a
      “Conspiracy Theory”, provided you understand the basics of Statistics, and aren’t
      shocked by the words: “Occult signature”, “Gematria”, “Digital profile”,
      “Revelation of method”,…
      If you qualify, you may try first “a + b”, and then add “c”, just to get the taste of a
      hidden thin reality, often giving enough clues about what happened in the
      “thick world” by excluding what did not:
      a) “11.22.1963 + Lee Harvey Oswald + John F. Kennedy” +
      b) “06.05.1968 + Sirhan Sirhan + Robert F. Kennedy” = N1; +
      c) “07.16.1999 + small plane + John F. Kennedy Jr. with his wife” = N2; =N3; (Jw)

    271. Anonymous[249] • Disclaimer says:
      @Achmed E. Newman

      NTSB also includes union reps. That tells you something about how NTSB really operates.

    272. Hank says:

      Read a new book – “The Inheritance”. Clinton invoked an executive order that he had previously signed (may be related to his impeachment-my guess is he didn’t want to sign it). It allowed the military to restrict press coverage.

    273. Hank says:

      Then again, you could be of the opposite opinion. Either way, it’s all quite ugly.

    274. S says:
      @Diversity Heretic

      Did someone possibly sabotage JFK Jr’s plane in such a way as to cause it to crash while simultaneously being practically undectable (like those undectable drugs which can cause a heart attack once they’ve been administered)? Who can say for sure? As the article alludes, it’s difficult to prove for a fact either way.

      Relatedly, I’ve heard for some time that the powers that be telegraph beforehand in a very public way, though at times somewhat encrypted, their intentions regarding certain major events and I think that could very well be true, such as war or assassination

      Many might recall the episode of the provocatively named ‘Lone Gunman’ TV series that months before 911 had a commercial passenger jet deliberately crashed into the World Trade Center as central to its plot.

      And was there something like that for the JFK assassination?

      Yes, there was, if one accepts that these powers behind the scenes, despite what they may think of themselves, are in reality fallable human beings, that now and again screw up, despite their attempts at what they see as perfectionism.

      There was an episode of the very US establishment early 60’s TV series Route 66, starring Martin Milner of Adam 12 fame, entitled ‘I’m Here to Kill a King’, filmed likely in Sept/Oct 1963, and scheduled for broadcast, depending on the source, the night of the assassination (the 22nd Nov) or a week later, the 29th.

      That original episode broadcast date, which can be seen in full on You-tube, was canceled as it so closely paralleled the actual JFK assassination..ie a ‘lone gunman’ with a sniper rifle is central to a plot to take out the chief executive of a country with a clean head shot.

      The security services of the chief executive’s own nation are in reality the originators of the plot and have arranged that the shooter, whose place of employment puts him along the route of the limo riding executive’s motorcade route through the US city, is himself assassinated immediately after the deed, before he can tell the tale.

      Of the very few cities mentioned in the episode Dallas is one (as well as Chicago) and the name ‘Lee’ is brought up in conversation. An FBI like organization gets some forewarning of the plot and attempts to stop it.

      And why would they tell people of their intentions in such a way?

      In part it could be in their view an attempt to make the larger society accomplices in these nefarious schemes by failing to stop them. It also could be these powers behind the scenes like the negative attention while simultaneously rubbing society’s nose in its overall powerlessness to stop them from commiting their next terrorist act against humanity.

      You’ve got a similar dynamic with serial killers, ie Jack the Ripper and or the Son of Sam’, etc, who have also been known to write and have published open letters for public consumption with cryptic messages forewarning the readers.

      The big difference with the latter serial killers and the former powers that be mentioned is one of scale, the latter as serial killers being involved (at most) in dozens of murders, while the former ptb are involved in the murders of hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

      https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0690457/

      • Replies: @Prusmc
      , @Laurent Guyénot
    275. S says:
      @Diversity Heretic

      ..the instructor said that the most common observation of a small aircraft crash from the ground, when there is one, is that the plane “exploded.” The disoriented pilot comes out of the clouds in a nose down position, sees the ground coming up, yanks back on the wheel, and the overstressed airframe comes apart..

      Not precluding that assassination by airplane crash can’t or doesn’t happen, but that fits perfectly the eyewitness accounts and video of the Superbowl day plane crash in California of a few weeks back.

    276. @Anonymous

      What union(s) for what purposes in what capacities ? Are the union reps technically qualified people who take part in investigations and compiling reports?

    277. @Anonymous

      NTSB also includes union reps. That tells you something about how NTSB really operates.

      Pilot union reps are involved to make sure pilots don’t get unfairly blamed for incidents and accidents. Aircraft manufacturer reps (probably engineers) are involved to make sure the manufacturer doesn’t get unfairly blamed. Airline reps. are involved to make sure the airline doesn’t get unfairly blamed.

      All in all, it’s a pretty erudite crowd, not your average traffic cop “He was headed southbound in the eastbound lane, blah, blah, traveling at a high rate of speed!”

    278. @Precious

      The article also asserts that there may have been a flight instructor on board

      Yeah, you’d figure someone would have noticed a missing flight instructor who taught JFK jr to fly. No, no, it’s easier to believe that the Coast Guard fished this imaginary flight instructor out of the drink and vaporized him so nobody would notice.

      Anyone who knows anything about flying knows this article is a bunch of tinfoil helmet prevarication. “Gee he had a good plane and instruments; why couldn’t he have landed it in the dark in no visibility?”

      I suppose Michael L Kennedy playing football on the slopes and headbutting a tree was an assassination too, rather than Darwinism in action.

      • Replies: @Precious
    279. Sparkon says:

      On July 20, 1999, at about 22:40, the wreckage of John Fitzgerald Kennedy Jr.’s plane finally was located, after four full days of searching, in 120 feet of water approximately 7.5 miles southwest of Gay Head, at or near 41:17:37N 70:58:39W.

      According to the NTSB, Martha’s Vineyard airport or MVY is located about 10 miles east of Gay Head where there is a 170 ft. lighthouse at 41:20.9N 70:50.1W with a rotating red/white light visible for 20 miles.

      The crash location provides all the evidence necessary to show that, despite all the hullabaloo and arm-waving about the weather and visibility, John Fitzgerald Kennedy Jr. had safely piloted his Piper Saratoga II to the island and was preparing for a routine landing, when his airplane suddenly and inexplicably went into a dive and plunged into the sea.

      But additionally, we have copies and records in the public domain of his calm and collected call to the control tower at 21:39 as he prepared to land at MVY the evening of July 16, 1999.

      At 9:39 p.m. Friday, Kennedy radioed the airport and said he was 13 miles from the airport and 10 miles from the coast, according to WCVB-TV news in Boston. He reportedly said he was making his final approach.

      A news reporter walking along the shore that night initially reported seeing a bright flash in the sky at the time Kennedy’s plane disappeared. The reporter was said to be on Philbin Beach, immediately adjacent to Gay Head, where a piece of luggage and other aircraft debris from the Piper washed up the following day.

      A reporter for the Vineyard Gazette newspaper told WCVB-TV in Boston that he was out walking Friday night about the time of the crash and saw “big white flash in the sky” off Philbin Beach.

      After hearing these reports, the plotters must have panicked. Clearly, these murderous rats overplayed their hand by backtracking and attempting to expunge from the record both Kennedy’s call to MVY’s control tower, and also the reporter’s account of the flash in the sky he saw at the right time and the right place to provide an eyewitness account of something disastrous happening to JFK Jr.’s airplane.

      Clear evidence of a cover-up should be all the rational and logical person needs to arrive at the correct conclusion that John Fitzgerald Kennedy Jr., his wife Carolyn Bessette, and sister-in-law Lauren Bessette were murdered.

      • Agree: Mike P, bluedog, Robjil
    280. Prusmc says:
      @S

      What about the “Wet Work forecast before the mysterious heart attack of Supreme Court Justice John Scalia?

      • Replies: @S
    281. S says:
      @Prusmc

      It’s interesting, but a person’s got to be really cautious with a lot of this stuff, ie applying Occam’s Razor the majority of things tend to have a rational and innocuous explanation.

      Regarding the ‘wet works’ reference in the Podesta email, taking into account the context of it being sent the day of the massive twenty point Hillary loss to Bernie Sanders in the New Hampshire primary, it appears to be referring to the expectation that Hillary’s campaign was soon going to be firing a large number of its employees.

      The term ‘wet works’ is apparently a term used to reference the firing of people from their jobs, and not just in regards to assassination.

      https://www.metabunk.org/debunked-podestas-wet-works-refers-to-assassinations-firing-people-other-unpopular-tasks.t8043/

    282. @S

      Great comment. In other words, creating a sense of “learned helplessness”. It fits with the concept of the “Kennedy curse”.

    283. @Precious

      I think RFK was, perhaps half-subconsciously, hoping he could “get off the ground” (as he once said in a TV interview), meaning join his brother. He was totally fatalistic on that point. Life is a “Russian roulette” he once said (and many other such comments). Perhaps he knew deeply that he didn’t have the inner strength to be president. He was, perhaps too much a christian for the job. A real christian is drawn to imitate Christ, that is, be crucified.

    284. @Miville

      Sorry, I had no patience to read your comment to the end. But I think I know what you mean. And I think you are missing the point: the Kennedys are important no so much for who they are, but for what their serial assassinations and the 50 year cover-up around it represent for the US (and indirectly for the world). Otherwise, you may well say, like Chomsky: “Why so much noise around it? People are murdered every day!”

    285. @Closed-captioned for the hard of thinking

      You may be right that CIA (of the “deep CIA”) has to be part of it. But do you believe the CIA owns the mainstream media? Worldwide? Think again! And please don’t give me that fake quote by William Colby.

    286. @Sean

      he slept with a couple of whores on an official visit to Italy according to William King Harvey who was head of the CIA Italian station).

      According to william King Harvey quoted by who? C. David Heymann, perhaps?

    287. Hank says:
      @Alden

      Good comment. The whole history has been purposely falsified and distorted. Not actually hard to do when you control the media, especially in 1963. Take a look at LBJ’s phone conversations on 11/23. The plotting to label JFK a liberal and use that label was already beginning. We continually debate just exactly why JFK was killed. I tend to think that he was always going to be killed, and perhaps the same fate awaited Nixon. The primary reason was to shock the country and politically move it in a direction towards an even larger security state (same as 9/11). Take a look at the vp candidates. Remember Nixon’s was Lodge. He was already priming the pump in Vietnam. Both the left and the right got something sweet out of this.

      • Replies: @Iris
    288. Iris says:
      @Hank

      President Kennedy was killed first because he tried to stop Israel acquiring the A Bomb, second because he tried to end the phoney Cold War, in that order of importance.

      For these motivations serving the survival and wellbeing of all of humankind, his actions and sacrifice reached far beyond the USA’s borders. He is loved and his memory cherished all over the planet. He will never be forgotten.

      • Replies: @Finn Dalcassian
    289. tapatio says:

      Had John and Robert Kennedy lived, this would be a far, far different world. The abolition of the Rothschild’s Federal Reserve, along with Kennedy’s other activities, would have stopped the malignant, metastatic cancer of Talmudism-Zionism. It’s very probable that 16 – 24 years of successive Kennedy presidencies would have also ended the cold war very early and brought peace to the world.

      But, the Zionist empire couldn’t tolerate that and first murdered JFK and, using a suborned Palestinian kid, murdered RFK. Not believing in coincidence, I think that Ted Kennedy was intentionally neutralized at Chappaquiddick.

      • Agree: bluedog
      • Replies: @2stateshmustate
      , @Sparkon
    290. @onebornfree

      You’re right. it is the Jews, not all of them, but in this case it was parasitic chosenites that did it. No doubt.

    291. @niteranger

      Of course you are reciting what the chosenites would have us believe about the Kennedy’s . I’ve come to the conclusion that everything in the MSM is highly suspect, especially bios on dead people the chosenites hate. That certainly applies to anything the MSM has to say about the Kennedy’s.

      One thing you have to give to Kennedy clan is that their Patriarch certainly was right about advocating staying out of WW2, and that “the Jews won that war”. In retrospect the evidence has proved him correct.

    292. @tapatio

      I think the chances are it would have been a better world. It boggles the mind the monsterousness of their crimes.

    293. Sparkon says:
      @tapatio

      …and using a suborned Palestinian kid, murdered RFK.

      Wrong!

      Sirhan was in front of Kennedy, and could not have shot RFK behind the ear from point-blank range.

      Bobby Kennedy’s assassin was standing behind him, to his rear. Security guard Thane Eugene Cesar was standing directly behind Kennedy, had a .22 similar to Sirhan’s, and later lied about when he sold the pistol. However, Cesar reportedly passed a polygraph about shooting that night. Subsequent investigators couldn’t match any of the bullets to Sirhan’s gun.

      There is much to know, but the official story is bollocks.

      • Replies: @Iris
    294. @nsa

      Disconcertingly, he looks like Onassis.

    295. Iris says:
      @Sparkon

      Robert Kennedy’s autopsy, unlike President Kennedy’s, was not botched. It was very professionally conducted by Pr Thomas Noguchi, is not challenged to the day, and unequivocally concluded that RFK fatal shot was at point blank behind the ear while Sirhan was facing him a few meters away.
      https://www.forensicmag.com/news/2018/06/case-study-assassination-rfk-and-perfect-autopsy

      Paul Schrade, a main surviving victim, close friend of RFK and first-hand witness of the assassination, has always dismissed the “Sirhan lone gun-man” official version:
      https://whowhatwhy.org/2016/02/09/rfk-friend-to-raise-doubts-about-sirhan-guilt-at-parole-hearing/

      There is hard evidence of multiple shooter: an audio recording of the RFK assassination accidentally made by a Canadian journalist recorded about 13 shots, too many for just one shooter.
      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5773147/Why-man-whos-spent-50-years-jail-killing-Bobby-Kennedy-it.html

      In the case of the RFK’s assassination, the cover-up is blatantly obvious because the autopsy could not be tempered with.

    296. @Alden

      But Christina Onassis was described as a tall woman – and if you look at pictures of her and JFK jnr, I think you can see a resemblance. Jackie never had curly, black, upstanding hair, like her son.

    297. handoe says:
      @Miville

      I have to disagree with you there You must be young, I was there. there is a video on YOUTUBE JFK’s speech that killed him, exposing who our real enemy of war is. (ILLUMINATI), NWO. Watch it! Doesn’t make any sense to tell the American People who is trying to kill us Then do nothing about it. STUPID.
      Getting rid of the Fed. Bank was a promise & he was following threw on until Fake Jews placed in Israel by the Deep State, we have to stop supporting. Blew is brains all over his wife. They are not Jesus’s chosen ones’. They are the NWO killers & war mongers. They murdered JFK, JFK Jr. RFK, The 911 3k people in T. Towers. Thats’s all they do is kill kill kill.
      The Bible states the Jews will be gathered up by Jesus from all over the world where they have been scattered to, to be returned to their homeland in the end of times when HE returns to fight Satan. Which means Satan has control of Israel & Kennedy is right.

    298. Ben Rush says:
      @Steve Naidamast

      Hellary is an actor. Actors are important to the studios because they bring people to the theaters with their charms. Once the actor no longer delivers the audience the actor is let go. The studio executives stay. The owners stay, the actors just pass through.

    299. Precious says:
      @Scott Locklin

      Yeah, you’d figure someone would have noticed a missing flight instructor who taught JFK jr to fly. No, no, it’s easier to believe that the Coast Guard fished this imaginary flight instructor out of the drink and vaporized him so nobody would notice.

      If you read the article, instead of just assuming you know what it says, you would have learned that the Coast Guard had nothing to do with the recovery effort.

      The search and recovery operations were conducted by the Air Force and the Navy under national security conditions, with news reporting controlled from the Pentagon.

      So yes, the article actually addresses how it would have been possible to discreetly remove a body so that nobody would notice outside a few individuals who would be sworn or threatened into silence…you just didn’t bother to read it.

      Anyone who knows anything about flying knows this article is a bunch of tinfoil helmet prevarication.

      And by “this article” you don’t mean the article actually published, you only mean the article you imagined in your mind.

    300. @Johnny Walker Read

      I disagree wholeheartedly –
      If JFK had been party to the Deep State agenda he’d still be alive.
      The fact that he wasn’t, didn’t play their game, was opposed to their presence and agenda and attempted to implement measures to prevent it – like attempting ending the Fed – is why is isn’t still alive.
      Maybe you need to revisit the facts of the matter and reevaluate your findings.
      Simply because there was some policies and programs that were pro-deep state, doesn’t mean JFK was party to it.
      You have to play the part, play the game to a degree to get things accomplished.
      Nothing different that our current, modern day President isn’t pursuing and accomplishing.

    301. @Iris

      Where some of you get your information and conclusions leaves me to witness and confirm your naivete.
      JFK was killed simply because he was going to put an end to the “shadow government” he publicly spoke of – the deep state – and many policies that were opposed to their operation culminating w/his Executive Order to terminate the Federal Reserve (the head of the snake).
      There are numerous collateral reasons why the deep state players wanted JFK gone.
      Recall, he was not supposed to be the President in the first place – that was supposed to have been Richard Nixon. That rigged election – like that of the Trump/Clinton exhibition never succeeded due to the efforts of father Joe and the Giancana mob.
      Of those many deep state players that took part in the assassination coup were George Bush, Richard Nixon, E. Howard Hunt and the passenger in JFK’s car, John Connolly.
      The evidence is clear.
      JFK Jr. was aware of these facts.
      He had a plan.
      The deep state was terrified of him.
      It’s why his magazine was named “GEORGE”!

    302. @Mike

      There are two words that point to the reason JFK Jr. is dead –
      HILLARY CLINTON.

    303. donaldo2009 says: • Website

      TWA Flight 800 Investigators Claim the Official Crash Story Is a Lie
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    304. “Did Israel kill JFK?” To answer yes, you would have to believe that Israel was in full control of the US government at the time of the coup. JFK’s assassins were in a position to immediately immobilize the highest levels of government on down with a ‘no conspiracy’ message. The overwhelming evidence continues to mount:

      https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KDa9dSf6FqSt5qbSy9zVlXTJeJG7BMS5

      Could Israel do that in 1963? No. Only CIA could do that. So did Israel rub out Kennedy’s heirs? If they did, it was solely as cutouts for CIA.

    305. Tman says:

      Kennedy was just trying to emulate his father. He was trying to join the “mile high club” and was “distracted”

      Someday the stain of their genes will be gone from the human race

    306. You know this will be a movie, but probably with a vaguer definition of the Deep State villains and a disclaimer about unintentional resemblances. I wonder if they will de-emphasize Jackie’s hand in the Camelot imagery. Jackie was a great designer. Without Jackie, JFK would not be remembered in the same way. How many First Ladies had an equivalent effect on history?

      The only problem with it is extending the aristocratic veneer into actual governing and succession. Voters often surprise elites, showing a will to bring in new blood. With few exceptions (mostly just Roosevelt’s, Adams’ and Bushes), every POTUS right up to Trump proves this, so it was no sure thing that the handsome Jon Jon would seal the deal at the highest level.

      He definitely would have given Carpetbagger Hillary a run for her money, probably winning in NY, but after two terms of Democratic leadership and Clinton fatigue, a JKF Jr. presidency was certainly not in the bag in 2000.

      Although the economic decline was not quite as advanced in 2000, the decisions made by Bill Clinton on NAFTA and the China trade alienated many labor Dems, including all of those Perot voters who later became Trump voters. I don’t remember whether JFK’s son had any policy positions that set him apart from Bill, the Globalist offshorer of American jobs.

      His magazine was a good product, worthy of his mother’s design skills in an Eighties / Nineties kind of way, but Americans Iike to decide for themselves on politicians. Except in the case of a few families, holding top office after top office in the New Gilded Age, Americans have always shirked aristocratic thinking.

      It is ironic that the trend towards oligarchy and powerful political families proliferates, the farther we get from the Founding. Is it even good for those political families? When applied to design, Jackie’s vision yielded better results than any First Lady’s so far. The White House needed the attention, and she did a fabulous job.

      But if Deep Staters really took down so many of the beloved men in Jackie’s life, the downside to aristocratic bliss overshadows the upside by millions of miles, not to mention what that would mean for the Republic if true. It would mean that we haven’t traveled too far from King Arthur. The citizenry doesn’t replace leaders by free will and elections. They are replaced in murky and violent ways, evil ways, using Knights of the Round Table that aren’t quite as gallant. It also casts the few friends America has as the villains. I dunno about that.

    307. I began reading this, read for a few minutes then put it down.

      I ought to have my head examined: why waste time reading all of this?
      I know Kennedy Jr was assassinated! what the hell else could it have been but a bomb in the engine of some electronic jamming device applied by the so-called ‘fishermen in the water.

      and the ‘fishermen’ must have chucked their device into the water where the navy picked it up soon after..or the fishermen themselves went back for it.

      it was an assassination and that is clear..by Occam’s Razor..the most simple option is the one to go by..and in this case assassination is the most simple explanatory option.

      I am not an american so it is not my issue..but I am pissed as is sanely possible about these Kennedy assassinations as I should be. but I am not in love with the Kennedy’s at all. by american standards JFK was a decent president but look at what he did with the Russian confrontation.

      JFK was prepared to kill the whole freaking world over an imperial event..one that challenged American hegemony over a weak third world country desperate to survive under American pressure, american challenge to its very existence, which was and is against all established principles in the behavior of nation relative to each other..an issue that could have been settled easily behind closed doors. that country Cuba had no alternative relative to its own survival but to go an opposition force country for protection.

      and that is what JFK brought the world to the brink to protect..america’s pride that it would tolerate a competitor in its backyard, its right to rape any dam country it pleases..at the same time it was in Russia’s face right on Russia’s front doorstep..not even in its backyard

      its fine to look at JFK and his son, appreciate his family etc. but what about the sons of the people of the world that JFK had killed. JFK had time in office to kill a lot in the developing world..had killed lots. talk about exceptionalism..JFK too. he was no better than the rest..challenging the Russians in Cuba, attacking the third world yet celebrating his son and family as if they are the only worthy family, children, son, in the whole dam world

      [MORE]

      it seems quite clear to me that only Teddy Kennedy escaped assassination..JFK, RFK and JFK Jr all were killed, and by the same people for the same reasons. and what that proved to be is that there was a streak of stupidity even suicidal among the Kennedy men..even Teddy as well for he clearly drank himself to death. the Kennedy men did not appear to understand who and what they were up against. and the question that begs is ‘how in the hell come?’

      how many presidents were killed, assassinated and by the same forces over more than a century. what else do we know that they do in the world with impunity, heartless, all the time: cause the death of million, responsible for many genocides, starving out of millions, seeding diseases that some people had no biological defenses for and who subsequently dies like flies. think of an evil, a wickedness and ask if these people have not done it in the interest of profit and social control and there would be none. on the other hand they surely have invented some, so long they have been involved in this business, continually, we surely dont know that we would have to find terms to describe

      why would JFK not know all this..that what they want is all and nothing will stop them, now or over time, that they never forgive and always it is a fight to the death relative to them. and if you are going to challenge the very root of their system..taking away their money power, it is your life..or theirs. you are going to have to kill them..or find a way(s) to neutralized them permanently, so they can never ever again constitute a threat to you.

      if JFK operated on that awareness and remained determined for america..printing more silver dollars, going on to eliminate the Federal reserve and taking back the currency..then it would require him to move in a whole different manner, on a comprehensive level, a whole plan with necessary back-up and ability to shift and move and change direction when essential but always forward.

      JFK had to remove all their power, all their cells. he would have had to attack the American fifth column destroying it totally, root it out, kill it. then he would have had to smash the Khazar global banking power, reduce those bankers to zilch, powerless, to rags..or eliminate them if necessary. they would never forget and would do all in their power to re-surge in time and pay everyone back ten times what they had lost and suffered.

      but before he did that he would have to make sure he and his family were safe, as safe as he could make them and himself until the war was won. JFK never did that..and that is the question that begs for me from the start: why did JFK act against the Khazars so ineptly, so limited, so apparently unaware of who they really are, getting himself and his entire male family into his own get killed?

      I simply dont understand it? did JFK think the Camelot comparison made him immune..die he come to see himself as god and impregnable… that all the world had to respect the presidency and that no one would dare touch him because he was president etc?

      almost all of american history has been one of Khazar effort to capture the american money power which they did in 1913. they fought many presidents for it: they killed Lincoln for it and one or 2 others. they bought Wilson, Roosevelt was their puppy. how come all of this history did not inform Kennedy’s behavior, warranting a response opposite to what he did he his intention was to dispossess the Bankers and return american power to the people?

      and if his intention was to re-empower the american people why did he leave them out of the fight? if he had any hope at all of winning that war..and war it was..he just did not see it..he had to bring the people in. JFK had to go to the american people and level with them..this is the problem, these are who are responsible, and this is what we must do. my role is this and as long as you are with me, we are together we will solve this over night.

      you bring the people out in the streets in their countless millions and millions. get them to besiege the congress and not leave until the job is done…the complete financial renovation of america with the money back into the hands of the people..and an amendment that forever only the people can control and own the american money. and if necessary you get the american people, out in the streets in at least reform if not revolutionary movement, get the people to tree the Khazar, then run them off, back to Poland: then to explain the story of the Khazars until it is soaked into the people.

      the finally to revoke the state of Israel, get the Khazars out of Palestine, or force a state in which all the people there are equal. other than that the Khazars could leave Palestine on their own.

      JFK went up against an enemy he did not know..or knew but was himself constrained by all sorts of sele-defeating nonsense..like race, fear of socialism..was more ensnared or ensconced in the issue from a religious, catholic perspective..quite insufficient to deal with the Khazars. but by then, the 1960’s, the Khazars had probably already owned the catholic church as it does now. Islam too!

    308. I read this back in February, and I’ve been thinking about it a lot since. One of the many things I keep coming back to, is that different members of the conspiracy had different motives. And some of those people were motivated by a desire to get JFK Jr. out of Hillary’s way, in order to facilitate her rise to the Presidency. Yet still, even when armed with an apparatus that would slay her most promising opponents, still she was never able to make that ascent. Has there ever been a more baleful figure, in the entire history of American electoral politics, than Hillary Clinton?

      It often seems as if the “Western”/Anglo-American/”Global” elite is pursuing a deliberate policy of cultivating a a population of easily-governable, degenerate wretches. Ask yourself if people this wicked, would shrink from such a notion. You already know the answer.

    309. Cf says:

      He knew that he was a marked man his whole life. So did his mom. Can you imagine knowing that? What would you do if you had the money and connections that he had. I think he faked his death. It was a hard decision. Caroline was upset about it but knew there was no choice, especially if she was pregnant. Her sister chose to go with them. I think they stayed in Greece for awhile as he spent a lot of his youth there and could speak the language. I think that they are back. We will see.

    310. Ahoy says:

      @ Kevin O’Keeffe

      The second paragraph of your comment is insightful and to the point.

      General Patton was given a political job by Eisenhower as Administrator of Berlin. In his acceptance speech he used the phrase “We fought the wrong enemy”. Next day he was fired and sent back to the army. While he was eating his lunch in a tiny road of a small German village a huge object on wheels run over him.

      JFK in his speeches to the American people warned them about a cospiracy that has enslaved America. He got a bullet.

      Now we live what this soldier is conteplating.

    311. Friday says:

      Great article. Judging by the comments, it seems you’ve struck a nerve. So many either completely ignore the article and engage in either smears/off-topic emotionally-charged diversions or take a single reference, isolate it apart from the rest, and attack it with ‘expert’ commentary or ‘first-hand’ testimony.
      All of these are known tactics of a textbook disinformation campaign. Over the target?

      Another strange coincidence to add is the similarities between the JFK Jr. crash and the Egypt Air 990 crash – in location, time (within 4 months of each other) and both incidents having the fuel selector valve shut off. Noted in the Dark Legacy II video above at around 1:21:00.
      Robert Pearce certainly deserves greater scrutiny. Wonder what he’s up to these days.

    312. Friday says:
      @Skeptikal

      Which raises an other question, which is, how would potential enemies of JFK Jr. have known his plans

      Two possibilities:
      John Perry Barlow – friends with John since he was a teen
      Maurice Tempelsman – Jackie’s longtime companion

      Both men attended John & Carolyn’s wedding, had close ties with the couple and have documented connections to those potential enemies. Investigation into either man will take you down a deep rabbit hole.
      Example: Tempelsman was heavily involved in the Congo in the 60’s with the diamond trade and hired the head clown there Larry Devlin who ended up becoming Mobutu’s personal adviser.
      (Coincidence that there was a comment earlier falsely blaming JFK for Lumumba’s death?)

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    314. @JoaoAlfaiate

      Many people want to believe in conspiracy. The same situation accompanied JFK’s assassination. Until I went to Dallas and saw the site of the event for myself, I tended to believe the allegations of the conspiracy advocates. I did not know. When I saw the the size and layout of the area around the assassination site, I realized that Oswald could have been the lone assassin, regardless of speculations to the contrary.

      Whether or not he was provoked, encouraged, financed, or supported in his actions are unknowable. The need to believe is strong in humans. When coupled with the monetary incentive in the publishing world, that need sometimes overcomes uncommon sense.

    315. dcite says:
      @Alden

      There’s always a troll who claims this. He looks like Jackie, coloring, sharp browline and forehead, more subdued upper palate and teeth, sharper chin. Looks like JFK Sr. Same jawline, hooded eyes, slant to the outer eyelid, cheekbones and head form, to mention the hauir. Jackie’s hair was thin and curly. JFK Jr. as a child bore a striking resemblance to JFK Sr. at the same age. A picture of two years old John Jr. from the back, watching his dad’s helicopter come in , shows a hair whorl and head shape exactly like JFK Sr. People who actually were in the presence of the father and then the son, always remarked on the similarity of body type, general resemblance, and speech.
      I’ve noticed most threads dealing with this topic, at least one troll shows up and says things in much the same way from thread to thread.
      One way to weaken the Kennedy allure and regret for having missed it, is to claim it is not even theirs. Truly contemptible. JFK knew the enemies he was up against, how unspeakably diabolical and unrelenting they were.
      We’ve seen a number of comments attesting to that.
      I would recommend “The Inheritance” by Christopher Fulton. The man spent ten years in various prinsons including federal for no clear reason except that he came into the possession (orignally frm Evelyn Lincoln) of the watch JFK wore on the day of the assassination. Mercury specks were in it, proving the gun had to have been one that shot such bullets. JFK Jr. bought the watch. While Christopher Fulton was in prison, someone predicted to him that the ‘son” might go down soon because he knew too much and could move into a powerful position.
      Of course he was murdered. That’s as plain as day.

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