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      David Simon, creator of The Wire, is extremely irate that fans of The Wire often draw politically incorrect conclusions from The Wire, instead of just blaming Bad White People like he wants them to:

      Can you see this tweet still, or has Simon blocked it? Here’s a screenshot:

      Simon just wants to know: Why are white people so stupid that they can’t understand that the message of The Wire is: White People Are Bad? Why aren’t they intellectually sophisticated enough to grasp that complex concept?

      Anyway, has there ever been a movie or TV show that presents the reasons for 1950s-1980s White Flight from integrating neighborhoods honestly without a fake happy ending or ginned up anti-white hate? So far I’ve come up with about 90 seconds of Howard Stern’s autobiopic Private Parts and about 90 seconds of Nick Hornby’s script for A n Education, in which Peter Sarsgaard plays a Jewish (?) con man, whose scams include renting flats to Jamaican hoodlums in 1960 England in order to violently terrorize old white ladies in the neighborhood into selling their homes, from which he collects 6% as their realtor. It was an incredibly unexpected scene.

      Also Bruce Norris’s Pulitzer-winning play Clybourne Park about white flight in 1959 Chicago and gentrification in 2009 Chicago is realistic, although it skips over what happened in-between to convince nice white liberals to get themselves and their children the hell out of Dodge.

      But, wow, that’s a pretty thin amount of depiction in our popular culture of a giant event that happened to tens of millions of Americans who are still alive. It’s kind of like how the white flight away from Los Angeles schools of huge numbers of liberal Jews, such as Senator Kamala Harris’ husband, when forced racial busing came to LA public schools in the late 1970s has been totally forgotten, because, after all, it’s not like Southern California 1970s Jewish kids have access to the media.

      Update: iSteve commenter Hamlet’s Ghost points to the 1970 film Halls of Anger starring Jeff Bridges and a really racist Rob Reiner. I gotta say, looking at Tarantino’s latest trailer, they’re just not making movie trailers like they used to:

       
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      1. What about that Exodus movie?

        • Replies: @Kronos
        Oh, that one about how they “gentrified” Palestine?
      2. Batteries Not Included? A devastated, nearly abandoned, neighborhood in NYC is accosted by POC thugs on behalf of a real estate developer. They demand the few remaining old whites move out so the neighborhood can be gentrified with financial sector types. … but how realistic is that?

        • Replies: @Klesko
        Were those robots from space? The movie wasn't clear on that point
        , @notanon

        how realistic is that?
         
        i think it's realistic up to a point (i knew of landlords who did that to get people out of rent-controlled apartments) but it's clearly an attempt to cover up the main cause

        (which is violent teenage gangs).

        Simon has a slight point in that prosperous people with valuable houses would white-flight almost instantly before any bad stuff had actually happened but it's also a deflection from what happened to blue collar whites who didn't have the cash to move but were eventually stabbed out of their homes.
        , @Jesse
        If the POC were non African Americans, and had no idea what the overall aim was, then it'd make sense.
      3. renting flats to Jamaican hoodlums in 1960 England in order to violently terrorize old white ladies in the neighborhood into selling their homes, from which he collects 6% as their realtor

        Good God, estate agents (as we call realtors) make nowhere near 6% in England. I doubt if they did in 1960 but that is long before I moved to England.

        • Agree: jim jones, Thomm
        • Replies: @eggplant
        Probably based on this charmer, Peter Rachman

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Rachman
        , @Neoconned
        I remember seeing that horrible movie in the theaters and thinking "I'm supposed to sympathize with a dude who scams old ladies so he can get housing for thugs?"
        , @Alden
        I think Rachman used black thugs to drive out the Whites and then charged his black tenants high rents that were paid by the welfare department. So he made a lot more that 6 percent. He was primarily a landlord not a real estate salesman. The buying of property was just the means to becoming a landlord.
      4. : it’s Nick Hornby, not Bruce Hornsby–but yeah.

        • Replies: @njguy73

        @Steve Sailer: it’s Nick Hornby, not Bruce Hornsby–but yeah.

         
        That was my reaction. Bruce Hornsby wrote an anti-racism song.

        And Rogers Hornsby was the best second baseman in MLB history.

        Everyone got that?
        , @Steve Sailer
        At least I didn't call him Rogers Hornsby.
      5. Of course not, and there never will be – that would be punching down because for at least 25 years (maybe longer, just a comment on my age) the only acceptable narrative is that blacks are the hapless and helpless victims of events shaped by white agency. And such a movie would also have to include middle class blacks pulling up stakes close on the heels of their white neighbors, a phenomena that is usually ignored.

        All that said, we are at a point where I wonder if the pendulum has swung so far in one denial-laden direction that we are due for a return to some very frank discussion of the pathologies of urban culture. It might take a Democrat in the WH for the stark difference between their rhetoric and failed solutions to make things clear for the average voter, though.

        • Replies: @E. Rekshun
        we are due for a return to some very frank discussion of the pathologies of urban culture. It might take a Democrat in the WH for the stark difference between their rhetoric and failed solutions to make things clear for the average voter, though.

        We can call it a "Beer Summit."
        , @Forbes

        It might take a Democrat in the WH for the stark difference between their rhetoric and failed solutions to make things clear for the average voter, though.
         
        Yearning for the bygone days of Obama? Regularly noted for his honesty in confronting difficult issues in the black community such as out-of-wedlock births, idleness, low rates of academic completion, criminality, social and economic dysfunction...

        Oh, never mind...
        , @Alden
        I’ve seen the pendulum swing from realistic discussions when I was a child to just anti White denial about black pathology since 1960.

        There was a tightening of criminal laws in the late 1980s early 90s. But that pendulum has swung back to dint even arrest, let alone charge and convict black criminals. There’s even been discussions about forbidding DNA evidence because of discrimination against blacks by extreme Jew liberals.

        When I started as a probation officer in 1968 the penalty for a rape conviction in San Francisco County was 3 weeks evaluation in a mental hospital and then release. This in a county where the convicted rapists were virtually all black.

        The sentence for murder, not manslaughter was 3 1/2 years in California in the late 60s. 7 year sentence they served 3 1/2 years.

        The liberals, the Justice Democrats ( they’re the Soros group that put AOC Talib and the Gang of Four into congress) the blacks liberals and Jews are now fomenting a major backlash against the criminal justice system with the object of ending conviction and incarceration of black criminals.

        There’s also Own Recognizance for every black arrested for whatever reason. That ends the bail for money system and bail hearings where the district attorney argues the defendant should not be released pending trial. OR means they get arrested and are released within hours, no bail hearing.

        What the anti White liberals want is a return to the 60s 70s 80s when black crime was rampant and unpunished
        , @Mike Hite
        It might take a Democrat in the WH for the stark difference

        We just finished with one of those democrats that totally made race relations worse, made a mess of everything and the truth did not come out. Most people are too afraid to tell the truth about how bad it is in America, they are too stupid, too brainwashed, or a mixture of of all I mentioned.
        , @AnotherDad

        ... the only acceptable narrative is that blacks are the hapless and helpless victims of events shaped by white agency.
         
        Critical point, Arclight.

        The glaring problem we're never supposed to notice in all these narratives is that they aren't about oppression they are about desertion.

        Whites leave, so that means you have to suck?

        The whole WASPy country clubs--which has Steve points out were really the German Jewish clubs--not wanting obnoxious nouveau rich Russian/Polish Jews is supposedly the worst most oppressive
        thing ever, until the Holocaust. Yet American Jews are doing pretty darn well, no?

        The famine Irish showing up in America were a disaster. (Not *my* ancestors, of course--they had plenty of lace for their curtains--but their cousins.) No American would want anything to do with them. But somehow--even with their society collapsed by the famine--some of them managed to work toward re-civilizing and though it took a few generations, i think with me, the Irish are prosperous and even civilized. (Bill O'Reilly, Sean Hannity ... no so sure.)

        The Japanese and Chinese coming to America were no great shakes. Basically landless people who had no better options at home. There was no love for these folks--serious labor competition from a foreign race/culture. But they seem to have done just fine. FOB Chinese in New York are unloved ... but their kids are crowding everyone else out of Stuyvesant.

        In the nonsense world of minoritarianism--bad majority, bad!--the majority is entitled to nothing and exists to serve the minority. But back on planet earth, people with competence do not actually need other peoples around them to thrive. People of competence thrive on their own.

        In fairness--yes, you need numbers. I can't survive in the United States of AnotherDad. But if 5 or 10 million other white guys are on board as well, we'd do fine as a brand new nation. Just trying to make it as a community inside another nation--especially a rich one like the US--you only need a few hundred, certainly a few thousand would cover it.

        If some group of people aren't making it just because whitey doesn't want to live with them ... maybe the problem isn't whitey, but the problem is them?
      6. We were already flown being in a whitetopia but those who fled were awful. Completely different values. Dishonest, untrustworthy, and cynical they made worse neighbors than three minorities near us. You could no longer leave something unlocked or outside. And these were mostly white Californians from la area. East coast people were worse. Thank goodness there weren’t many of them.

        • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman

        We were already flown being in a whitetopia but those who fled were awful.
         
        So, let me get this straight - you and your family were awful? What kind of loot did you steal? Did you snag an older model Honda, cause I want that back, man.
        , @Sane Left Libertarian
        Can't be. Steve says only liberals moved out.
      7. There were a lot of Mike Royko articles about white flight that would today be considered very racist, even though Mike was a liberal. One I remember was a woman who made her parents sell their home on Chicago’s Garfield Boulevard, where they had lived for decades, due to the neighborhood changing. The woman’s mom was very emotional about it and Mike went into all that neighborhood had that was now gone. The woman was expecting to hear from her mom but didn’t. The woman went back to her parent’s house to look for her and her mom was laying on the bed dead. Mike ended the article saying that although the coroner said that the mom died of a heart attack, she really died of a broken heart.

        • Replies: @Paul Jolliffe
        I was never a Mike Royko fan. He struck me as a hypocrite, constantly deriding working class whites in the city for their "racism", but he himself later moved out of Chicago and to Winnetka.

        Frank Sinatra was not a fan of Royko's, either! (Has Steve ever weighed in on his opinion of Mike Royko?)

        http://i.imgur.com/E5Rm6Lq.jpg

        http://i.imgur.com/YHkpxBz.jpg
        , @Father O'Hara
        My boyhood chum's family stayed on Marshfield,in Chicago's Back of the Yards, a very long time. They had at least one negro break in. They finally packed up their money and deserted the poor dear negroes who would have made a great community,but were forced to create a pos s-hole.

        Simon is a dirtbag. He's a bloodsucking parasite. The Wire is garbage. Its ghetto porn for us white guys,but with a twist,as the blacks are portrayed as sort of Michael Corleone tragic figures. These arent real blacks ,who tend to be not very sympathetic criminals.
        Simon made a ton of money off the destruction of Baltimore;how much did he give back to his precious pets?
      8. @slumber_j
        @Steve Sailer: it's Nick Hornby, not Bruce Hornsby--but yeah.

        : it’s Nick Hornby, not Bruce Hornsby–but yeah.

        That was my reaction. Bruce Hornsby wrote an anti-racism song.

        And Rogers Hornsby was the best second baseman in MLB history.

        Everyone got that?

        • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
        Bruce Hornsby even played keyboards for The Dead at one point. He made some great music, but I do try to ignore the meaning of his lyrics, as I got that he was a flaming lefty early on.
        , @ricpic
        Rogers Hornsby had a career batting average of something like .340. Uneffingbelievable.*







        *Of course I could be wrong because I'm too lazy to look it up but it was way way up there.
        , @Sane Left Libertarian

        Rogers Hornsby was the best second baseman in MLB history.
         
        I'll vote for Robbie Alomar
        , @ScarletNumber

        And Rogers Hornsby was the best second baseman in MLB history.
         
        Understanding that I am missing your point, but according to Bill James, he is third behind Joe Morgan and Eddie Collins.
        , @Kyle
        Chase Utley is the best second baseman in MLB history!
      9. When young, I noticed what seemed to me something like white flight from my Southern California community, which had a large Hispanic population. The occurrence seemed to happen when white girls reached high school age. It seemed like white parents did not want their daughters getting involved with Hispanic boys.

        • Replies: @Duke84
        Or get raped.
      10. The Detroit Riots of 1967 are an important plot point in Jeffrey Eugenides’ Middlesex, which apparently is in development for a TV series. But I imagine the show will ax the white flight elements to focus on the World War T stuff.

      11. David Simon made his whole career and fortune on 2 TV series about Baltimore’s inner city largely African-American dysfunction. And now tells tells us the problem is evil white people all along.Also, he decries blockbusting. So realtors who brokered panicky white people’s home sales to new African-American home buyers were the whole problem? As with Chetty, the African-American community have no agency nor responsibility, simply jellyfish floating in a sea of white racism shaping their every action.

        Saw flight 1st and 2nd hand in Brooklyn in the 1960s and 70s. How many times does a family member have to get beat up or robbed or had a car broken into or worse before making a sensible decision to leave a neighborhood is not racist?

        Irony is many of the neighborhoods in Brooklyn white people abandoned in the 1950s, 60s and 70s are being recolonized by hipster white trust funders from elsewhere. But that was preceded by Guiliani and then Bloomberg supporting the police. Going to be interesting how that goes with 8 years of Diblasio and probably another liberal idiot after him.

        • Agree: Hail
        • Replies: @Bigdicknick
        DiBlasio has pretty much been cucked by the police. They seem to have mostly gotten the upper hand in the power struggle. Keep in mind: the police department is huge and has significant political power and NYC is full of important people who can't be sacrificed to the diversity gods the way others can be. Also, not sure if relevant, but NYC has a lot of its powers delegated to NY state due to the fact that even moderate democrats understand progressive democrats may kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

        Having said that, I feel that eventually a truly reckless anti-police POC will be mayor of NYC at some point.
        , @Kevin O'Keeffe

        Going to be interesting how that goes with 8 years of Diblasio and probably another liberal idiot after him.
         
        Wilhelm/"DeBlassio" is already in the 2nd half of his 6th year in office. He's up for re-election in 2021, and I very much doubt he's getting a 3rd term. So he's done most of the damage he's going to do. His predecessor will almost certainly be somewhat of an improvement...but it's not clear just how much of one.
        , @Kronos
        It was probably the only way he could make the TV series. Currently, everyone is afraid of getting gored by SJWs. So he’s doubling down on nice cheap words.
        , @AnotherDad

        David Simon made his whole career and fortune on 2 TV series about Baltimore’s inner city largely African-American dysfunction. And now tells tells us the problem is evil white people all along.
         
        Nailed it.

        Jew, who has made a packet off fictionalizing black dysfunction, blames the white gentiles fleeing it ... for causing it! ... all the while living off in some tony district removed from black crime and disorder. He belongs in some Jewish hall of fame.

        ~~

        It's not even worth arguing about Jewish hatreds, resentments, propaganda anymore. Everyday, columns and articles and Hollyweird propaganda and a million tweets. Simon hates my people, because his people refused to integrate with us--or very distant relatives to the east--for 1000 years and that--predictably--did not generate warm feelings in return. Ok!

        But why should we tolerate this continual abuse? Simon refuses to do the honorable thing--clear out of my nation and make aliyah. So can't we just separate? Separate nations.

        Simon can enjoy a rainbow hued utopia free of us racist, white-flighting gentiles. His side should have Baltimore. And Simon, himself, could start reversing white-flight by moving into one of Baltimore's vibrant neighborhoods that is the source of his loot and in the process show dumb ass hayseed whiteys like me that "diversity is our greatest strength".
        , @Alden
        Never watched or heard of The Wire. Although the TV shows are bad, it’s the incessant commercials I just can’t stand. There are some sit com series on Netflix Hulu etc. Those services state exact hours minutes and seconds of a movie or TV episode. Look at that info. 30 minute show, 15 14 minutes of the show. 15 16 minutes of commercials.

        I just get bored because of the commercials and read a book or do something else. Anything else

        I’ve noticed that when movies are shown on TV any scene that’s not really necessary to move the story along is cut to make room for commercials. Old enough to remember when AMC was commercial free? Now a 2 hour movie is stretched to 4 hours because of the commercials

        Many families don’t have cable and network TV at all. They have a screen for Amazon Prime Netflix etc but no regular TV. One has to fight with the WiFi Service about it but it’s worth it. .
        , @AP
        Mike Royko wrote that in Chicago the city let crime get out of control so that the middle or working class (whites) fled, property values tanked, then developers connected to the politicians bought the land cheap and made a lot of money off gentrification.
      12. @dearieme
        renting flats to Jamaican hoodlums in 1960 England in order to violently terrorize old white ladies in the neighborhood into selling their homes, from which he collects 6% as their realtor

        Good God, estate agents (as we call realtors) make nowhere near 6% in England. I doubt if they did in 1960 but that is long before I moved to England.

        Probably based on this charmer, Peter Rachman

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Rachman

        • Replies: @dearieme
        Lovely fellows like Rachman came about because the Rent Act of WWI still applied long after WWII. It may have been one of the most destructive pieces of legislation in British history, but that is merely a guess.
        , @jimmyriddle
        Nicolas van Hoogenstraten was another slumlord of that ilk. His story involves murdering his business partner (and beating the rap), being BFFs with Robert Mugabe and building a vast Georgian style country palace and leaving it uninhabited (after falling out with the courts over public rights of way).



        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_van_Hoogstraten
        , @Simon Tugmutton
        Rachman was a philanthropist compared with Nicholas van Hoogstraten:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_van_Hoogstraten

        For example:

        Aged 22, he was convicted for paying a gang to throw a grenade into the house of Rev Bernard Braunstein, a Brighton cantor on 12 November 1967. [snip] Van Hoogstraten said of the grenade attack in 2000: "It seems a bit distasteful to me now, but back then when I was young ... these weren't anarchists, they were businessmen, respectable people."
         
        , @HA
        "Probably based on this charmer, Peter Rachman"

        No, the article on which the movie was based was autobiographical, and the man in question was an associate of Rachman:

        While [Lynn Barber] was studying for her A levels she had a two-year relationship with a significantly older man, whom she knew as Simon Goldman, but who also called himself Simon Prewalski. He was an associate of Peter Rachman, and he deceived both Barber and her parents.
         
      13. It’s so frustrating how white flight is depicted as an irrational pathology that caused blacks to behave badly rather than a reasonable prediction that has been proven correct.

        Most of my boomer extended family members buy into this stuff. I wonder what the reaction would be if I asked them if they can name a single place on the planet where black governance works well.I think maybe the more introspective would be able to handle it, but most would react like a puritan being asked for scientific proof that witches exist.

        • Replies: @Smithsonian

        ... name a single place on the planet where black governance works well
         
        Botswana does OK, AFAIK.
        , @CAL2
        My sisters neighborhood had a single black mother with kids move in nearby. All the woman did was complain about how the neighbors didn't treat her right. Of course, not long after, one of the sons threw a party and there was a shooting. Yep, not logical reason for whites to do what they do.
        , @anonymous
        Barbados
      14. Peter Sarsgaard plays a Jewish (?) con man, whose scams include renting flats to Jamaican hoodlums in 1960 England in order to violently terrorize old white ladies in the neighborhood into selling their homes, from which he collects 6% as their realtor.

        My mother used to work for a realtor (estate agent) in England in the 70s and 80s. My sister also worked for an estate agent between high school and medical school in 1971. At that time the commission rate for real estate (property) sales in England was almost uniformly 1%.

        Today it is usually 1% to 1.5% plus VAT, negotiable. For more expensive properties it can be lower. It has never been anywhere close to 6%.

        It could be that he was getting 6% as a rental agent after the homes had been bought.

        • Replies: @International Jew
        Your English realtors need to get on the ball. In America it is 6% (3% for the buyer's agent, 3% for the seller's). A bit less in coastal California due to the high base values. You get there with some of government-sanctioned restraint of trade.

        "Real partnership with a government":
        https://youtu.be/9hwFfO4WzBA at 0:42
        , @Alden
        Rachman wasn’t a rental agent. He was the landlord once his black thugs chased the Whites out. He wasn’t a real estate agent rental agent or real estate broker. He was a buyer and landlord.
        , @LondonBob
        Use an online real estate agent and you can pay a flat fee which, depending on the value of the property, can be as low as 0.3 percent.
      15. @slumber_j
        @Steve Sailer: it's Nick Hornby, not Bruce Hornsby--but yeah.

        At least I didn’t call him Rogers Hornsby.

        • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
        My favorite story about Rogers Hornsby:

        When he was manager (I believe this was during his tenure with the Giants), he used to go and piss in his player's lockers.

        Ty Cobb, who was troubled by a hard background, was actually true gentleman compared to the Rajah.
        , @slumber_j
        Yeah, I don't think Rogers Hornsby would have been the right guy to adapt Lynn Barber's memoir for the silver screen. Just not a good fit, for lots of reasons.
        , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
        Isn't there now a Hornsby's Hard Cider out of TX?
      16. the flight of the white tax base en masse from West Baltimore dates to 1955-57.

        The holy GI Bill!

        • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
        Was white flight squirted out from the ghetto tracts caused by the GI Tract bill?

        (OK, OK, that one needs more work.)
      17. …just frightened whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line. They didn’t flee slums. They ran with the $$$

        First, the use of word fear to shame Whites. They fled because they were afraid is akin to some sort of elementary school argument. If fear is not a good reason to flee, then we should immediately shut down our immigration and asylum system ASAP since those people are leaving their homelands due to fear. Fear apparently is no longer a valid reason to flee.

        Second, he mentions that they ran with the $$$ as if those $$$ belonged to everyone but those who had them. However, since he is considering those $$$ as communal property, would he say the same about immigrants who flee their lands and head here? Are they not taking the $$$ or Pesos or whatever out of their local economy? Don’t we even offer a crazy immigration category that grants status to anyone who brings a million dollars or so of assets with them? That would be the very thing in which he lambastes Whites.

        Third, if White flight is bad because it leaves behind a less capable area, then does he have a similar complaint about middle class blacks who leave behind poorer blacks? What about the best and brightest of the developing world leaving with all their talent for the West?

        • Replies: @International Jew

        If fear is not a good reason to flee, then we should immediately shut down our immigration and asylum system ASAP since those people are leaving their homelands due to fear.
         
        Hah! I'm going to use that.

        As for leaving with their $$$, that was only true of the first ones to leave, like in 1950. If you waited until after the 1968 riots, you were lucky to sell your house for ¢¢¢.
        , @Mr. Anon
        Good comments, all.
        , @anonymous
        Very perceptive comment.

        > First, the use of word fear to shame Whites. They fled because they were afraid is akin to some sort of elementary school argument.

        There's also a "let them eat cake" aspect to the position of David Simon and his fellow antifa-friendly Hollywood hipsters.

        The working class white families in "transitioning" neighborhoods typically had the value of their home as their key asset for retirement planning (fortunate workers also had a defined-benefit pension -- remember those?)

        "Location, Location, Location" -- as blockbusting progressed, the value of that asset kept declining.

        Leave now and take a huge hit, or stick it out and accept the risk of a total loss? In league with the civil rights movement, the real estate interests forced this choice on people of modest means.

        Punching up or punching down?

        As a police-beat reporter and gritty nonfiction author ("Homicide"), David Simon had important and interesting stories to tell. Then he lost his way.
        , @Bigdicknick
        You're misinterpreting the logic. Whites = bad. So whatever they are doing is bad. White's moving in = bad = gentrification. Whites leaving = white flight = bad. I am sure whites staying where they are is bad too although I don't think they have invented a great word for that...yet.


        This is similar to the Carranza's NYC schools lecture on white supremacist teachers where they literally said putting quantity over quality = white supremacist AND perfectionism also = white supremacist. So literally any strategy for output of work is white supremacist.

        What's funny about this stuff is the white allies inevitably get it first whereas people like me who have self respect will get it last, if it all.
        , @Achmed E. Newman
        https://www.peakstupidity.com/images/Stop_Making_Sense.jpg
        , @Pericles

        Second, he mentions that they ran with the $$$ as if those $$$ belonged to everyone but those who had them.

         
        It could be code for 'magic dirt'.
        , @AnotherDad

        Second, he mentions that they ran with the $$$ as if those $$$ belonged to everyone but those who had them.
         
        As usual, great stuff ISF.

        It's not just $$$--David Simon has lots of $$$, but those are Jewish $$$. Not the same.

        In the minoritarian narrative whites themselves are the communal property. Whites must present themselves for access by any minorites. Whites keeping to themselves--worst case scenario in a country club--is racism! Whites interacting with minorities and either acting like they are in white western culture or doing well is "white privilege" and "structural racism".

        White peoples' job is to be exploitable by minorities. Provide a market for Jews (and other middle man minorities) to exploit. Provide taxes for NAM welfare. Provide a more prosperous and law-abiding nation for immigrants to come to. Provide a safer neighborhood for minorities fleeing other minorities. Provide crime victims for blacks to victimize. And most of all ... provide a group everyone else can blame.
        , @dr kill
        Seeing it here in PBC in horse country, many many stables recently sold to Germans, French and Danes. My RE woman said the big money is already leaving Europe, selling before they can't.
        , @ben tillman

        First, the use of word fear to shame Whites. They fled because they were afraid is akin to some sort of elementary school argument. If fear is not a good reason to flee, then we should immediately shut down our immigration and asylum system ASAP since those people are leaving their homelands due to fear. Fear apparently is no longer a valid reason to flee.
         
        Good point. Moreover, the use of "frightened" implies that it was all in their heads and that it was emotional rather than rational.
      18. never saw a film about white flight or Black flight.

        they should have a film about Black flight from Compton , how the Mexicans moved into town and terrorized the Blacks forcing them to flee, ethnically cleansing the city of blacks to create a Latino Compton. Could be called Chased Outta Compton :Straight outta Compton part two.

        • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
        • Replies: @Colin Wright
        '...they should have a film about Black flight from Compton , how the Mexicans moved into town and terrorized the Blacks forcing them to flee, ethnically cleansing the city of blacks to create a Latino Compton. Could be called Chased Outta Compton :Straight outta Compton part two.'

        There could be some great scenes. Five or six black thugs weighing 1500 lbs aggregate cowering as one five foot Hispanic saunters menacingly into their group.

        Actually, what happens is that Hispanics buy houses. They're house buying fiends. Everyone works like hell, rents out the basement to some wetback just over the border, and somehow makes the nut every month.

        So houses that were rented to blacks because no one wanted to buy them suddenly have Hispanic buyers. Out go the black renters and in come the Hispanic homeowners.

        It's an improvement. I feel perfectly comfortable in Mexican neighborhoods -- even if I don't seek them out. Can't say the same for black neighborhoods.
        , @Prof. Woland
        I now call white flight ethnic cleansing.
      19. Mad Men sorta skirted around White Flight. Peggy Olsen moved to the Upper West side and had to deal with the crime and societal dysfunction there. Could Pete Campbell’s move to California be seem as an escape from the decline of law and order in NYC that was in the background of the show?

        • Replies: @anon
        Peggy with her homemade spear is just classic television.

        Didn't Pete move to Kansas City as part of his new job with Lear Jet? If he didn't want to work at McCann that was code for "Jews" as per the Irish = Jews crypsis in the show, as per my book, End of an Era: Mad Men & the Ordeal of Civility (Countter-Currents, 2015).
      20. Clint Eastwood’s “Grand Torino”. Its era is post-white-flight, but as the last white in his neighborhood, Eastwood’s Walt Kowalski puts us in mind of what happened.

        • Replies: @Barnard
        Gran Torino is probably as close as Hollywood ever got. It has somewhat of a happy ending feel though, the Hmong start agreeing to testifying against the gang and Walt's children and grandchildren (the people who engaged in white flight) are largely portrayed negatively. They are shown as greedy and unwilling to socialize with the immigrants who took over the neighborhood where they grew up. I can't say it is a solid example of defending white flight, but it better than most.
      21. I think people were mostly just ready to move to the suburbs, from the North down to the South, their grown children had graduated college and had job opportunities all around the country.

        • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
        Nope. Judicial busing orders in the 60s. The suburbs rolled out, and church-based private schools popped up all over. I saw it happen.
      22. Yet another example of a blue tick getting BTFO’d by anime avatars.

        • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican
        That Simon thread is hilarious. Social media democratization of communication is great. ‘Elites’ can’t handle realtime verbal pushback, get mad.

        Yann Perrod‏ @YannPerrodIFNB
        Why didn't somebody tell them it's white people's job to stay put and pay up to blacks?

        [ David Simon‏ @AoDespair ]
        No one is saying that cowardice isn’t permitted. Or racism for that matter. It’s the American way. You’ll be right at home here.

        Happy Little Jeffrey Epstein Case Rememberer‏ @HappyLittleTr11
        So you're saying that it requires bravery to live in diverse neighborhoods? Golly, why would you go and post a dogwhistle like that?
         

        A Wreck of a Poet‏ @art_bax
        Yes, white people left and took their toxic whiteness with them, fucking everything up for 100 years.

        [ David Simon‏ @AoDespair ]
        They could have left the tax base, but no. They needed that to recreate a hypersegregated society post Brown. And Christ but you deserve an immediate block for your wounded sense of your own superiority.

        TW‏ @d4vidhume
        What does this even mean? People should keep paying income and property taxes in a city they no longer live in??

        A Wreck of a Poet‏ @art_bax
        LOL @AoDespair is so thin-skinned he blocked me. Guess he can't stand hearing from actual Baltimore residents.

         

        Frenly Baratheon‏ @FrenlyBaratheon
        David Simon? What kind of a name is that? What is your ethnicity?

        KeriTrouble‏ @KeriTrouble
        If I may politely ask-why is that any of your fucking business?

        [ David Simon‏ @AoDespair ]
        You’re politely asking a frog.

        KeriTrouble‏ @KeriTrouble
        I thought "Frenly" was like some bad Spanish accent/joke like "We are all frenly hyur."
         
      23. interesting article about white flight from the NY times in 1976.
        https://www.nytimes.com/1976/04/19/archives/blacks-and-puerto-ricans-a-bronx-majority-study-finds-blacks-and.html

        New York City’s white population declined by more than 600,000 between 1970 and 1975…..The 1975 survey was broken down by borough into four different categories white non-Puerto Rican, Negro non‐Puerto Rican, Puerto Rican, and “other races.” such as Orientals and American Indians.

        funny how they did not use the newly created hispanic term to describe Puerto Ricans and still used the terms Negro and Oriental in this 1976 article about white flight. Also indicates that white flight, which started in the 1940’s , was still going strong in 1975.

        the city as a whole in 1975 was 62% white, 22% Negro, 12% Puerto Rican and 4% other races. The comparable figures in 1960 were 78% white, 13% Black, 8% Puerto Rican, and 1% other

        • Replies: @Discordiax
        NYC didn't really need the Hispanic term until we acquired sizable non-Puerto Rican Spanish speaking populations.
      24. Shyamalan’s The Village can be seen a comment being about white flight.

      25. @Bugg
        David Simon made his whole career and fortune on 2 TV series about Baltimore's inner city largely African-American dysfunction. And now tells tells us the problem is evil white people all along.Also, he decries blockbusting. So realtors who brokered panicky white people's home sales to new African-American home buyers were the whole problem? As with Chetty, the African-American community have no agency nor responsibility, simply jellyfish floating in a sea of white racism shaping their every action.

        Saw flight 1st and 2nd hand in Brooklyn in the 1960s and 70s. How many times does a family member have to get beat up or robbed or had a car broken into or worse before making a sensible decision to leave a neighborhood is not racist?

        Irony is many of the neighborhoods in Brooklyn white people abandoned in the 1950s, 60s and 70s are being recolonized by hipster white trust funders from elsewhere. But that was preceded by Guiliani and then Bloomberg supporting the police. Going to be interesting how that goes with 8 years of Diblasio and probably another liberal idiot after him.

        DiBlasio has pretty much been cucked by the police. They seem to have mostly gotten the upper hand in the power struggle. Keep in mind: the police department is huge and has significant political power and NYC is full of important people who can’t be sacrificed to the diversity gods the way others can be. Also, not sure if relevant, but NYC has a lot of its powers delegated to NY state due to the fact that even moderate democrats understand progressive democrats may kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

        Having said that, I feel that eventually a truly reckless anti-police POC will be mayor of NYC at some point.

        • Replies: @Forbes

        NYC has a lot of its powers delegated to NY state due to the fact that even moderate democrats understand progressive democrats may kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
         
        It's actually the other-way-around. NYC is a municipality incorporated by NYS--any authorities NYC has are granted by the state (by the state constitution or by legislation), just like any other county, city, town, or village. It is the state that holds the legal authority. Absent delegation by the state, NYC has no authority. Perhaps that's what you meant...
        , @Autochthon

        [New York City] has a lot of its powers delegated to [the] state....
         
        What in the Hell are you on about? New York City exists at the pleasure of the state of New York (like every city does in its respective state). The federal government and the fifty states are sovereigns. Cities, counties, school districts, and similar subdivisions of states exist entirely at those states' discretion. If the legislature in Albany took the appropriate steps tomorrow (which, depending upon the details about home rule in New York I don't know or care about, may have to include an amendment to their constitution), they could dissolve the city of New York outright.

        In any event, the city of New York may have an arrangement with the state of New York whereby the state retains certain powers more commonly delegated by the state to cities elsewhere, but the city of New York sure as Hell is not "delegating a lot of its powers" to the state of New York any more than somewhere a corporal is "delegating a lot of his authority" to his commanding officer.

        Here's some light reading for you.

        Of course, de facto there has been no rule of law for an age in the F.U.S.A., so, just as the federal government bullies states with impunity, perhaps now cities are the masters of states. Such perverse rule of the creature over its creator would not surprise me, especially in the contexts of cancerous, domineering megalopoli like Chicago, New York, and Boston. Maybe that was your point?
      26. @istevefan

        ...just frightened whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line. They didn’t flee slums. They ran with the $$$
         
        First, the use of word fear to shame Whites. They fled because they were afraid is akin to some sort of elementary school argument. If fear is not a good reason to flee, then we should immediately shut down our immigration and asylum system ASAP since those people are leaving their homelands due to fear. Fear apparently is no longer a valid reason to flee.

        Second, he mentions that they ran with the $$$ as if those $$$ belonged to everyone but those who had them. However, since he is considering those $$$ as communal property, would he say the same about immigrants who flee their lands and head here? Are they not taking the $$$ or Pesos or whatever out of their local economy? Don't we even offer a crazy immigration category that grants status to anyone who brings a million dollars or so of assets with them? That would be the very thing in which he lambastes Whites.

        Third, if White flight is bad because it leaves behind a less capable area, then does he have a similar complaint about middle class blacks who leave behind poorer blacks? What about the best and brightest of the developing world leaving with all their talent for the West?

        If fear is not a good reason to flee, then we should immediately shut down our immigration and asylum system ASAP since those people are leaving their homelands due to fear.

        Hah! I’m going to use that.

        As for leaving with their $$$, that was only true of the first ones to leave, like in 1950. If you waited until after the 1968 riots, you were lucky to sell your house for ¢¢¢.

        • Replies: @Alden
        It’s amazing how property values and taxes change with the race of the owners. I’m most familiar with the Fillmore Divisadero neighborhood of San Francisco. By 1960, just 15 years after the WW2 black invasion the value of those buildings was down to 1925 prices. Starting early 80s White gun carrying gay men moved in and the neighborhood recovered.

        Same thing in the Protero neighborhood. In Protero blacks invaded homes during the day when the owners were at work and loaded the furniture into trucks and smashed what they couldn’t take away. Protero recovered when the blacks moved out.

        Identical building identical condition when Whites live in the neighborhood the value of the building is high and so are the property taxes.

        Blacks move in and value of the buildings and property taxes plummet to nothing.

        That’s why Nixon created section 8. Whether owned or rented to residents, property taxes in black neighborhoods were too low to support the cities.

        Section 8 in 3 sentences.

        Whites pay income taxes to the federal government.
        The federal government gives our tax money to the landlords of blacks.
        The landlords use the White taxpayers money to pay the property taxes on their buildings.
      27. @Steve Sailer
        At least I didn't call him Rogers Hornsby.

        My favorite story about Rogers Hornsby:

        When he was manager (I believe this was during his tenure with the Giants), he used to go and piss in his player’s lockers.

        Ty Cobb, who was troubled by a hard background, was actually true gentleman compared to the Rajah.

        • Replies: @FPD72
        Cobb’s background was “hard” only in some senses. His father was a state senator, an office not associated with poverty. His mother shot and killed his father, claiming that she mistook him for an intruder, when Cobb was 18 years old. According to court records, Cobb’s father suspected his mother of sneaking out of the house at night for illicit trysts and was himself sneaking around trying to catch her in the act. His mother was later acquitted of the charge of murder.
      28. Hey Simon, what part of Baltimore do you live in?

        • Replies: @RVBlake
        Several years ago I watched the Q & A session between the cast and crew of The Wire and audience members. Simon described himself as a socialist.
      29. @Mike Zwick
        There were a lot of Mike Royko articles about white flight that would today be considered very racist, even though Mike was a liberal. One I remember was a woman who made her parents sell their home on Chicago's Garfield Boulevard, where they had lived for decades, due to the neighborhood changing. The woman's mom was very emotional about it and Mike went into all that neighborhood had that was now gone. The woman was expecting to hear from her mom but didn't. The woman went back to her parent's house to look for her and her mom was laying on the bed dead. Mike ended the article saying that although the coroner said that the mom died of a heart attack, she really died of a broken heart.

        I was never a Mike Royko fan. He struck me as a hypocrite, constantly deriding working class whites in the city for their “racism”, but he himself later moved out of Chicago and to Winnetka.

        Frank Sinatra was not a fan of Royko’s, either! (Has Steve ever weighed in on his opinion of Mike Royko?)

        • Replies: @Hodag
        When Royko moved to Winnetka did they let him join Indian Hill? Ridgemoor was his speed, what with 5 chances to hit the halfway house.
        , @Mike Zwick
        Well, I guess that Mike was part of the white flight that he wrote about.
        , @Marty
        Thanks for that. Notice the lesson provided to Steve in that letter? Steve would have written, “or is that too big of a job for you?” Sinatra had concision.
      30. @Jonathan Mason

        Peter Sarsgaard plays a Jewish (?) con man, whose scams include renting flats to Jamaican hoodlums in 1960 England in order to violently terrorize old white ladies in the neighborhood into selling their homes, from which he collects 6% as their realtor.
         
        My mother used to work for a realtor (estate agent) in England in the 70s and 80s. My sister also worked for an estate agent between high school and medical school in 1971. At that time the commission rate for real estate (property) sales in England was almost uniformly 1%.

        Today it is usually 1% to 1.5% plus VAT, negotiable. For more expensive properties it can be lower. It has never been anywhere close to 6%.

        It could be that he was getting 6% as a rental agent after the homes had been bought.

        Your English realtors need to get on the ball. In America it is 6% (3% for the buyer’s agent, 3% for the seller’s). A bit less in coastal California due to the high base values. You get there with some of government-sanctioned restraint of trade.

        “Real partnership with a government”:

        at 0:42

        • Replies: @Steve in Greensboro
        Internet brokers are driving the traditional 6% down, in Redfin's case to 4.5%, 1.5% to the listing agent and 3% to the buyer's agent.

        As provision and consumption of real estate market information moves more fully to the internet, the value added by brokers declines and this 4.5% will continue to drop.
        , @Jonathan Mason

        Your English realtors need to get on the ball. In America it is 6% (3% for the buyer’s agent, 3% for the seller’s).
         
        Actually the other way around, because the mobility of the workforce in the US is considerably inhibited by the difficulty in selling a house and buying a new one, because the 6% sales commission is based on the sales price of the home and not the amount of equity that the owner/mortgagees have in the home.

        Thus the sales commission on a house that sells for $250.000, which would be a pretty nice house for a young family in my area, but not really ostentatious, would come out to $15.000, which in times when real estate values are not inflating, could be a very real barrier to a family relocating.
        , @Jonathan Mason

        Your English realtors need to get on the ball. In America it is 6% (3% for the buyer’s agent, 3% for the seller’s).
         
        Actually the other way around, because the mobility of the workforce in the US is considerably inhibited by the difficulty in selling a house and buying a new one, because the 6% sales commission is based on the sales price of the home and not the amount of equity that the owner/mortgagees have in the home.

        Thus the sales commission on a house that sells for $250.000, which would be a pretty nice house for a young family in my area, but not really ostentatious, would come out to $15.000, which in times when real estate values are not inflating, could be a very real barrier to a family relocating and take away a large chunk of their equity in the home.

        In the UK estate agents also have other income producing services such as appraisals (valuations), surveys, and estate auctions. In recent years online estate agents have operated off even lower commissions.
        , @LondonBob
        Why does someone buying need an agent?
      31. Would be fascinating to read a history of Blacks in America from the perspective of Whites who interacted with them, lived in the same town, … Starting with slavery, how much violence and force was used to keep that institution working? There were slaves not only on plantations, but also farms throughout Virginia,for example. Was there white flight from slave areas? Was there black violence against whites back then – that is the kind that whites are afraid of today – being stuck in the wrong part of town, muggings or fights that quickly escalate into life altering violence.

        • Replies: @Art Deco
        Stanley Engerman and a co-author put together some data on the use of coercion from a set of plantation records they studied. IIRC, it was their conclusion that a slave on those plantations could expect to be whipped about 7x over a period of 10 years.
        , @Ancient Briton
        E.g., Nat Turner
        , @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

        Was there white flight from slave areas?

         
        Yes. A lot.

        The most prominent example would be none other than the family of Abraham Lincoln.

        The Yankee people in Kansas fought the Missouri border ruffians not because they were abolitionist, but because they wanted to keep blacks and slavery out of Missouri. This is the true history of Northern white attitudes towards blacks.

        In his excellent work, 'The Impending Crisis: 1848-1861', David M. Potter shared the following quote from an old, New England-born Kansas Jayhawker farmer:

        "I kem here to Kansas to live in a free territory, and I don't want ni***rs a-trampin' on my grave!"

        This quote is intelligible only according to old (sensible) definitions of freedom and old American racial understanding.
      32. @International Jew
        Your English realtors need to get on the ball. In America it is 6% (3% for the buyer's agent, 3% for the seller's). A bit less in coastal California due to the high base values. You get there with some of government-sanctioned restraint of trade.

        "Real partnership with a government":
        https://youtu.be/9hwFfO4WzBA at 0:42

        Internet brokers are driving the traditional 6% down, in Redfin’s case to 4.5%, 1.5% to the listing agent and 3% to the buyer’s agent.

        As provision and consumption of real estate market information moves more fully to the internet, the value added by brokers declines and this 4.5% will continue to drop.

      33. @anon
        Batteries Not Included? A devastated, nearly abandoned, neighborhood in NYC is accosted by POC thugs on behalf of a real estate developer. They demand the few remaining old whites move out so the neighborhood can be gentrified with financial sector types. ... but how realistic is that?

        Were those robots from space? The movie wasn’t clear on that point

      34. @anon
        Batteries Not Included? A devastated, nearly abandoned, neighborhood in NYC is accosted by POC thugs on behalf of a real estate developer. They demand the few remaining old whites move out so the neighborhood can be gentrified with financial sector types. ... but how realistic is that?

        how realistic is that?

        i think it’s realistic up to a point (i knew of landlords who did that to get people out of rent-controlled apartments) but it’s clearly an attempt to cover up the main cause

        (which is violent teenage gangs).

        Simon has a slight point in that prosperous people with valuable houses would white-flight almost instantly before any bad stuff had actually happened but it’s also a deflection from what happened to blue collar whites who didn’t have the cash to move but were eventually stabbed out of their homes.

        • Replies: @Anon

        Simon has a slight point in that prosperous people with valuable houses would white-flight almost instantly before any bad stuff had actually happened but it’s also a deflection from what happened to blue collar whites who didn’t have the cash to move but were eventually stabbed out of their homes.
         
        That's because Whites know that bad stuff is not an if but a when. Why should they lose equity and risk injury / death just to wait for Blacks to do what they always do without fail? Moving out early is smart and Simon does not live in the type of neighborhood that gives him a moral platform for criticism of that decision.

        Which begs the question, why do poorer Whites bear a moral responsibility to Blacks to stay in their neighborhood while limousine liberals bear no responsibility to move into a mostly Black neighborhood?

        The only difference between these badwhites and their millionaire liberal critics like Simon is what? The money to move into a wealthier neighborhood before Blacks arrived?

        Simon is the type of moral and intellectual deficient, with a likely deep seeded hatred for gentile Whites, who deserves the worst fate that can find him in this lifetime.

        I'm watching my neighborhood change over as we speak. There is no snap where all of a sudden there is crime. As can be observed on a crime map, the crime increases precisely with every percentage point increase in Black population.
      35. Anon[389] • Disclaimer says:

        whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line. They didn’t flee slums. They ran with the $$$

        So Whites ran with their incomes (“the money) over the line from people who are perpetually dependent on other peoples tax money to survive?

        Anti-white flight shaming seems to be some kind of whinging about inter-racial-socialist peer pressure not being effective.

        If the peer pressure isn’t effective, then how does Simon conclude that complaining about its ineffectiveness would be?

        Simon’s perspective assumes that county tax money would prevent Baltimore ghettos. There is plenty of White money in Philadelphia County and Philadelphia County is still mostly one large expanse of excessively dangerous ghetto.

        I saw entire The Wire series twice. There was nothing about White Flight in the series. It was gangland pornography, beleaguered multicultural cops, one immoral Jew lawyer, and nothing more.

        • Replies: @Anonymous

        I saw entire The Wire series twice. There was nothing about White Flight in the series. It was gangland pornography, beleaguered multicultural cops, one immoral Jew lawyer, and nothing more.
         
        Why did you waste your time even watching it once?
        , @Kronos
        “I saw entire The Wire series twice. There was nothing about White Flight in the series. It was gangland pornography, beleaguered multicultural cops, one immoral Jew lawyer, and nothing more.”

        What about that old lady in “Hamsterdam?” She said she moved into that neighborhood when white people still lived there.
        , @Jesse
        Sailer's missing the point. Simon doesn't believe a word of what he says. There have been rumblings from the far left that The Wire is problematic. He's trying to get ahead of that so they don't burn his house down while his family's sleeping in it.
        , @Justvisiting
        The Wire's strength was its depiction of black culture.

        One of the most hilarious and telling scenes--ghetto thugs leaving the inner city to visit someone who lived in "Ozzie and Harriet land".

        The black culture was _very_ dysfunctional and _very_ resilient.

        Simon could not have made that show if he really believed that throwing money at that culture would change much of anything.
      36. The left: white flight was an irrational response to an increasing concentration of blacks in one geographic area over concerns about quality of life.

        Also the left: areas with large concentrations of blacks are filled with dysfunction and lack opportunity so we need to move them to white areas.

        As Steve has repeatedly noted, a lot of the places whites left and became black neighborhoods were fundamentally good real estate. In theory that should have offered huge potential upside to the new residents, but it turns out the people who left were pretty prescient about what the change in demographics would mean, which is also why middle class blacks left as well.

      37. Where does David Simon live?

        In a Baltimore row among Blacks, I would assume by the content of his rants.

        • Replies: @utu

        Where does David Simon live?
         
        Federal Hill, Baltimore

        As of the census[10] of 2000, there were 2,400 people residing in the neighborhood. The racial makeup of Federal Hill was 87.3% White, 9.0% African American, 0.2% Native American, 2.1% Asian, 0.6% from other races, and 1.3% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.3% of the population. 55.6% of occupied housing units were owner-occupied. 8.8% of housing units were vacant.
      38. @istevefan

        ...just frightened whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line. They didn’t flee slums. They ran with the $$$
         
        First, the use of word fear to shame Whites. They fled because they were afraid is akin to some sort of elementary school argument. If fear is not a good reason to flee, then we should immediately shut down our immigration and asylum system ASAP since those people are leaving their homelands due to fear. Fear apparently is no longer a valid reason to flee.

        Second, he mentions that they ran with the $$$ as if those $$$ belonged to everyone but those who had them. However, since he is considering those $$$ as communal property, would he say the same about immigrants who flee their lands and head here? Are they not taking the $$$ or Pesos or whatever out of their local economy? Don't we even offer a crazy immigration category that grants status to anyone who brings a million dollars or so of assets with them? That would be the very thing in which he lambastes Whites.

        Third, if White flight is bad because it leaves behind a less capable area, then does he have a similar complaint about middle class blacks who leave behind poorer blacks? What about the best and brightest of the developing world leaving with all their talent for the West?

        Good comments, all.

        • Agree: Mr McKenna
      39. Anonymous[158] • Disclaimer says:

        In a similar vein, the advocates of uncontrolled immigration – most notably The Economist magazine – often fail to grasp the obvious point that their favoured and cherished policy objective will, inevitably, reduce incomes to the irreducible minimum, that is as close to zero as dammit, and thus reduce tax revenue to zero. Result – No public services of any kind whatsoever.

      40. You dumb fuckmook, the flight of the white tax base en masse from West Baltimore dates to 1955-57. No slums in those neighborhoods just frightened whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line.

        WTF is “muh tax money”. It seems to be a lump sum of cash? Maybe that’s what is needed to transmogrify tragic dirt into magic dirt?

        Seriously, this is as retarded as Roosevelt complaining about people hoarding gold, making the depression worse.

        • Replies: @Hypnotoad666
        And what's a "fuckmook?"
      41. If they need magical white people with the magical $$$?, isn’t David Simon admitting that the Blacks in Baltimore couldn’t manage a city by themselves?

        • Replies: @Screwtape
        Yes. The only thing worse than living next door to racist whites is when the whites confirm their racism by moving away and stealing that possibility from you.

        Access to whites is not a human right.

        “Tax base” is just the other side of the “good schools” coin.

        Both also happen to reveal the actual problem if anyone were honest about it. Both also demonstrate how civic investment has been boiled down by the diversity project into nothing more than forced resource extraction and redistribution.

        In the current year I find it truly stunning that any white people still don’t see how they are despised and dehumanized into tax cattle and ballast to keep the ship of multiculty fools afloat and on course toward Brazil.

        There are millions of goodwhite tax cattle eagerly awaiting the anti-white, anti-christian, anti-heritage Democrat party scrum of hate to produce the next Saint Obama to cleanse the them of their guilt.

        Thats much more crazy than some hollywood babyeater getting his panties in a twist about the ‘real messagee’ of his high art.
      42. “Has There Ever Been a Realistic Movie About White Flight?”

        The Right Stuff?

        • LOL: Kylie
        • Replies: @Ancient Briton
        In the same vein: The Flight of the Phoenix (1965) - Jimmy Stewart et al 99.44/100% White.
      43. anonymous[680] • Disclaimer says:

        “White flight” packs in a whole lot of meaning that may or may not be true, for a given case. In some ways “ethnic cleansing” is a more illuminating term.

        When it comes to picking victims, white hoodlums aren’t “racist” — they prefer whites.

        Black hoodlums feel the same way.

        That neglected fact explains a great deal of what happened to many urban neighborhoods. Some time ago, La Griffe du Lion used some straightforward math to generate a graph to illustrate this issue. Graph and original article linked in this comment from last week.

      44. Anonymous[158] • Disclaimer says:

        Surely, the Nick Hornby character is a thinly veiled representation of the notorious Peter Rachman.

        • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
        It's possible there's also a bit of Nicholas Hoogstraten, a notorious scofflaw, in there. Hornby was about 5 when Rachman died.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_van_Hoogstraten

        "On return to the UK, he moved to Notting Hill Gate and bought houses very cheaply because of rent controls, but indulged in "persuading" tenants to move out using threatening practices associated with Peter Rachman. He built up his capital through a loan sharking business based in towns along the south coast of England, where he would take property deeds as the backing collateral. Many loanees were unable to maintain his unreasonable payment terms and defaulted their properties to him, enabling him to build up a substantial property portfolio along the south coast and in London.

        By the age of 22 he was reputedly Britain's youngest millionaire, although The Times in 1967 and 1972 referred to this status as being "self-styled", owning 350 properties in Sussex."
         
      45. I have insured my children understand the following narrative: since the 1930’s three generations of my family have had to flee “changing neighborhoods” as refugees from urban US cities, at great economic cost, with the loss of accrued social and relational capital.

        We are a white diaspora. We fled violence and lawlessness, against our persons and our property. I told them to never forget it.

        We did not want to leave the beautiful cities we inhabited. They were taken from us.

        • Agree: jim jones
        • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
        It is a very good thing you have done. Most other whites have not taught their children these hard truths.
      46. Is it just me, or does Simon’s tweet appear to support the “fuckmook”‘s argument? Yeah, white folk “took the money and ran.” Without white money, whatever was left couldn’t support civilization. Where’s the disagreement?

        Is it the timing issue? Hardly fair of Simon to damn whites for having foresight.

        The Wire is a masterpiece of unintentional red-pilling.

        • Replies: @Anonymous

        The Wire is a masterpiece of unintentional red-pilling.
         
        How so?
      47. @Paul Jolliffe
        I was never a Mike Royko fan. He struck me as a hypocrite, constantly deriding working class whites in the city for their "racism", but he himself later moved out of Chicago and to Winnetka.

        Frank Sinatra was not a fan of Royko's, either! (Has Steve ever weighed in on his opinion of Mike Royko?)

        http://i.imgur.com/E5Rm6Lq.jpg

        http://i.imgur.com/YHkpxBz.jpg

        When Royko moved to Winnetka did they let him join Indian Hill? Ridgemoor was his speed, what with 5 chances to hit the halfway house.

        • Replies: @Alden
        I had a book of Ryko’s articles. The articles were very entertaining but there was an underlying defense of black dysfunction and sneer sneer sneer at other Whites. Did he have kids? Did he send them to public schools with the black animals? Don’t know what became of the book.

        He was also very admiring of the corrupt Chicago politicians. Well, like the Mafia, crooked corrupt politicians are a good source of material.
      48. Made me think of this 1976 documentary about Rosedale, Queens. Basically, a white group took over the local MLS and marketed homes only to whites. But in the end they lost.

        • Replies: @Dan Hayes
        Bill Moyers: Lyndon Johnson's bagman!
      49. David Simon is creating a miniseries based on Phillip Roth’s The Plot Against America

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plot_Against_America_(miniseries)

        Funny how they get to define what is or is not America, and who is or is not “against it”.

        Why wasn’t Simon ever been held to account for his work on The Wire as a racist who traffics in “tropes” and “dogwhistles” about black dysfunction?

        • Replies: @Anonymous

        David Simon is creating a miniseries based on Phillip Roth’s The Plot Against America
         
        Another anti-White propagandist.

        Every. Single. Time
        , @SunBakedSuburb
        "Funny how they get to define what is or is not America, and who is or is not 'against it.' "

        Yes, funny. The line between propaganda and organic narrative tends to blur. I tried watching The Wire way back when, but too many black faces got in the way. So I can't judge if David Simon is propagandist or storyteller. Writers of fiction should not be on Twitter.
        , @guest
        Might be as simple as it employed a large black cast and had credibility with the black folk. Not that such things always matter to the Narrative. But a show about baddass Machiavellian ghetto criminals can be allowed slack in the face of otherwise unutterable truths if it makes viewers feel cool instead of "exploited" or condescended to.

        That, and the show otherwise had its political ducks in line. And it was a low-rated premium cable show perpetually on the brink of cancellation.
        , @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
        Since the original novel is a lying piece of Jewish trash, this miniseries will be equally hackneyed propaganda.

        But it does give me the opportunity to link to Mr. Bill Kauffman's outstanding destruction of Roth's disgusting "work."

        https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/heil-to-the-chief/
        , @George Taylor

        Why wasn’t Simon ever been held to account for his work on The Wire as a racist who traffics in “tropes” and “dogwhistles” about black dysfunction?
         
        I think he is now, that's why he's so pissed. The Wire is almost a documentary on Black dysfunction and corruption. Now that Baltimore is under the magnifying glass, I'm guessing more then one conservative type has used The Wire to illustrate their point. It debuted in 2002, before the social justice loon's took over the Dem's and long before Trump derangement syndrome. Now Simon's liberal bonafides are being questioned, forcing him to go on the defensive and grovel at the feet of the SJW's with language like "fuckmook" and of course blame it all on Whitey.
      50. You can’t reasonably expect an accurate, good quality movie to ever be made on this subject, because to do so, one would have to purposefully step on the two major Third Rails in American fake political discourse, the Things Which Can Never Be Named Or Discussed. Which is to say, the movie would have to include honest realistic depictions of TNB and TJB/TKB, and we all know this will never happen, especially not the latter. Star witness for the prosecution: David Simon himself. No further questions, your honor.

        It would also be a difficult thing to produce, from a boots-on-the-ground perspective, because it would be so hard to get sufficient numbers of skilled actors to do certain parts.

        For instance, such a movie would have to show accurate scenes of the hellish experiences of White children forced (by TJB) to attend majority-black schools: the constant bullying, intimidation and assaults, the endless chaos and disruption and noise and discomfort caused by the presence of blacks, and of course, for White girls, the non-stop sexual harrassment, molestation, and sexual assault. Pretty hard to cast and to film, unless you’re making a documentary.

        Plus, to depict the realtors, lawyers, activists, politicos, fixers and machers who caused all this, you’d have to travel back in time and clone about forty thousand copies of John Turturro.

        Don’t act like you don’t know what I mean by that.

        • Agree: brandybranch
        • Replies: @peterike

        because it would be so hard to get sufficient numbers of skilled actors to do certain parts. For instance, such a movie would have to show accurate scenes of the hellish experiences of White children forced (by TJB) to attend majority-black schools: the constant bullying, intimidation and assaults, the endless chaos and disruption and noise and discomfort caused by the presence of blacks..
         
        That's exactly why I bailed on The Wire after a few episodes. I was like, dang, I grew up around enough blacks to know that these Hollywood actor guys have nothing like the glassy-eyed, half-moron demeanor of real black thugs. It was like when James Bond jumps out an airplane at 30,000 feet, lands in water, and comes up with his hair perfect. But you expect fantasy in a James Bond movie. The Wire was supposed to be "realistic," and I found it laughably contrived and prettied-up. I guess all those "The Wire is the best show of all time!" whites just don't know what a real ghetto hoodlum looks like.
        , @Charlesz Martel
        What do TKB, TJB, TNB mean? I'm also looking up John Turturro.

        I've used a similar argument myself.

        I lived in Miami for several years, years ago. I've asked people if they ever saw a book, article, editorial, basically anything except a short letter to the editor that ever raised the issue of too much immigration of Latinos altering the city (and County and State, for that matter). You'd have to go back to 1966 before Jim Knight got bought off (Knight Ridder Newspapers) on the issue to see anything suggesting that immigration could even theoretically be anything other than an unalloyed good.
        In fact, for years, except for the occasional obscure newsletter, all you could ever say in polite company regarding immigration was "More, please!!"
        I lived through the Mcduffie Riot of 1980. Make no mistake- Mcduffie's murder by cops was the spark, but it was an anti- more Cubans riot. The crowds were asking "Is he White or is he Cuban?" before beating someone, to death in some cases.
        This has all been retconned as innocent Cubans in the wrong place at the wrong time, as opposed to the truth which is that Cubans basically consider blacks as sub-humans, and the blacks know it.

        As Thomas Sowell said, "There are two ways to tell the truth in America- anonymously and posthumously."
        , @Hamlet's Ghost
        There was a flick that featured a pre-meathead Rob Reiner in it.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfrD_C8cemI
        , @Alden
        I’m sorry, but what are TNB TJB TKB? Don’t forget the tens of millions of Whites who have life long bladder and urinary tract infections because they couldn’t use bathrooms from 8 in the morning till 3 in the afternoons or later.

        Just the noise and filthy language. All schools are noisy at lunch. But with just 30 percent blacks the screeching in the classrooms can be heard 3 blocks away all day long.
        , @Alden
        Here’s a great book about a Chinese boy who attended a black K-5 grade school in the early 1950s decades before school bussing. The book is China Boy by Gus Lee.

        The family lived in the inner Richmond neighbor hood of San Francisco. Almost all White and upper muddle class. When the family bought the house, his sisters were old enough for Roosevelt jr High in Arguello blvd right on the border between inner Richmond and pricey prestige Presidio Heights. The family wasn’t poor. Father was president and major shareholder of a bank.

        But their house was located in the wrong side of the school boundary for the nearby safe, civilized normal White school. Instead poor Gus had to go to grade school in the notorious Fillmore black ghetto and be abused by black animals.

        The book’s first paragraph “ lunch time at X grade school in SanFrancisco, tightly clustered around the teacher are several frightened Chinese kids. Around this place of safety circle the predators, occasionally throwing a punch when the teacher’s back is turned”

        Gus started school in 1952, decades before Jew attorneys working for ACLU NAACP, funded by AJC ADL; succeeded in obtaining judicial orders forbidding any kind of discipline for black animal thuggery in public schools. 1952!

        Gus’ father didn’t transfer him to private school. After a couple years of beatings and abuse father sent Gus to the YMCA to learn boxing and judo and Gus got his revenge. Gus is a person of color, an abused minority so he can’t be accused of being a White racist KKK nazi.
        The book belongs in the library of every White Nationalist. Make your children read it as soon as they can read maybe 4 th grade. Might counter act the propaganda.

        Horrible. If the house had been a block away Gus would have had the same happy experience his sisters had at Roosevelt.
      51. anon[277] • Disclaimer says:
        @NJ Transit Commuter
        Mad Men sorta skirted around White Flight. Peggy Olsen moved to the Upper West side and had to deal with the crime and societal dysfunction there. Could Pete Campbell’s move to California be seem as an escape from the decline of law and order in NYC that was in the background of the show?

        Peggy with her homemade spear is just classic television.

        Didn’t Pete move to Kansas City as part of his new job with Lear Jet? If he didn’t want to work at McCann that was code for “Jews” as per the Irish = Jews crypsis in the show, as per my book, End of an Era: Mad Men & the Ordeal of Civility (Countter-Currents, 2015).

      52. anonymous[680] • Disclaimer says:
        @istevefan

        ...just frightened whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line. They didn’t flee slums. They ran with the $$$
         
        First, the use of word fear to shame Whites. They fled because they were afraid is akin to some sort of elementary school argument. If fear is not a good reason to flee, then we should immediately shut down our immigration and asylum system ASAP since those people are leaving their homelands due to fear. Fear apparently is no longer a valid reason to flee.

        Second, he mentions that they ran with the $$$ as if those $$$ belonged to everyone but those who had them. However, since he is considering those $$$ as communal property, would he say the same about immigrants who flee their lands and head here? Are they not taking the $$$ or Pesos or whatever out of their local economy? Don't we even offer a crazy immigration category that grants status to anyone who brings a million dollars or so of assets with them? That would be the very thing in which he lambastes Whites.

        Third, if White flight is bad because it leaves behind a less capable area, then does he have a similar complaint about middle class blacks who leave behind poorer blacks? What about the best and brightest of the developing world leaving with all their talent for the West?

        Very perceptive comment.

        > First, the use of word fear to shame Whites. They fled because they were afraid is akin to some sort of elementary school argument.

        There’s also a “let them eat cake” aspect to the position of David Simon and his fellow antifa-friendly Hollywood hipsters.

        The working class white families in “transitioning” neighborhoods typically had the value of their home as their key asset for retirement planning (fortunate workers also had a defined-benefit pension — remember those?)

        “Location, Location, Location” — as blockbusting progressed, the value of that asset kept declining.

        Leave now and take a huge hit, or stick it out and accept the risk of a total loss? In league with the civil rights movement, the real estate interests forced this choice on people of modest means.

        Punching up or punching down?

        As a police-beat reporter and gritty nonfiction author (“Homicide”), David Simon had important and interesting stories to tell. Then he lost his way.

      53. @International Jew
        Clint Eastwood's "Grand Torino". Its era is post-white-flight, but as the last white in his neighborhood, Eastwood's Walt Kowalski puts us in mind of what happened.

        Gran Torino is probably as close as Hollywood ever got. It has somewhat of a happy ending feel though, the Hmong start agreeing to testifying against the gang and Walt’s children and grandchildren (the people who engaged in white flight) are largely portrayed negatively. They are shown as greedy and unwilling to socialize with the immigrants who took over the neighborhood where they grew up. I can’t say it is a solid example of defending white flight, but it better than most.

        • Replies: @SunBakedSuburb
        In S. Craig Zahler's Dragged Across Concrete (2018), Mel Gibson's character is a cop who turns criminal in order to score the dough that will enable his family's move out of an increasingly Africanized neighborhood.
        , @Dan Hayes
        Barnard:

        Gran Torino's initial scenes had blacks as bad guys, but then copped out in presenting Hmong gangsters as the ultimate and final perps!
        , @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
        That is NOT an accurate description of Walt's children and grandchildren

        There is basically no depiction of them interacting, or choosing not to interact, with the immigrants. They are depicted as greedy, yes. But primarily, they are shown as unwilling to interact with Walt.

        If anything, the children and grandchildren are ashamed of Walt for being old-school.

        The suburbs were better than the alternative of living among black crime, but they were still built purposefully to turn whites into rootless, consumerist drones. And THAT is what Walt's children and grandchildren are depicted as having become.
      54. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

        Gran Torino.

      55. @istevefan

        ...just frightened whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line. They didn’t flee slums. They ran with the $$$
         
        First, the use of word fear to shame Whites. They fled because they were afraid is akin to some sort of elementary school argument. If fear is not a good reason to flee, then we should immediately shut down our immigration and asylum system ASAP since those people are leaving their homelands due to fear. Fear apparently is no longer a valid reason to flee.

        Second, he mentions that they ran with the $$$ as if those $$$ belonged to everyone but those who had them. However, since he is considering those $$$ as communal property, would he say the same about immigrants who flee their lands and head here? Are they not taking the $$$ or Pesos or whatever out of their local economy? Don't we even offer a crazy immigration category that grants status to anyone who brings a million dollars or so of assets with them? That would be the very thing in which he lambastes Whites.

        Third, if White flight is bad because it leaves behind a less capable area, then does he have a similar complaint about middle class blacks who leave behind poorer blacks? What about the best and brightest of the developing world leaving with all their talent for the West?

        You’re misinterpreting the logic. Whites = bad. So whatever they are doing is bad. White’s moving in = bad = gentrification. Whites leaving = white flight = bad. I am sure whites staying where they are is bad too although I don’t think they have invented a great word for that…yet.

        This is similar to the Carranza’s NYC schools lecture on white supremacist teachers where they literally said putting quantity over quality = white supremacist AND perfectionism also = white supremacist. So literally any strategy for output of work is white supremacist.

        What’s funny about this stuff is the white allies inevitably get it first whereas people like me who have self respect will get it last, if it all.

        • Replies: @Tex

        You’re misinterpreting the logic. Whites = bad. So whatever they are doing is bad. White’s moving in = bad = gentrification. Whites leaving = white flight = bad. I am sure whites staying where they are is bad too although I don’t think they have invented a great word for that…yet.
         
        White people, can't live with 'em, can't live without 'em.
      56. I fondly remember my elementary school in Mississippi and forced busing in 1966. Every day on the playground was a mini riot as black kids bussed two hours to partake of my intelligence by sitting next to me would try to beat our brains out and steal our lunch money.

      57. “Fuckmook”?

        Did Simon make that insult up or did it exist already?

        • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVMSsKFDQcQ&t=0m10s
        , @Anonymous

        Did Simon make that insult up or did it exist already?
         
        He is virtue signaling his Jewishness.
        , @Dreadnought
        I don't think anyone really knows what a mook is:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vw8t4O9JQM
      58. So I clicked the link and went to twitter to read some of the thread. There are a couple of cucks thought-policing this thread. I’ve copied parts of the exchange.

        Black ppl had no access to welfare prior to civil rights act of 1964. I’m not familiar with changes to it’s design. White ppl continue to be a majority of welfare recipients and so I don’t understand the theory.

        So the FDR administration denied welfare bennies to blacks? Per capita must be a hard concept.

        At the exact same time, White GI’s got free college thru GI Bill, and white people got govt subsidized FHA loans to buy houses in gov subsidized new suburban communities. The new homes cost less than the old rent in cities.

        I find it hard to believe blacks who served did not get the GI bill. Why would Truman integrate the armed forces only to deny black veterans the GI Bill?

        White flight to suburban areas crushed every single rust belt city. Rochester, NY was a thriving city of almost 1/2 a million in the mid 50s but by mid 80s it’s population had fallen to below 300k, 40+% reduction tax base. Every city in the Great Lakes & NE regions saw this.

        What came first, the chicken or the egg? Did White flight just materialize out of nowhere? Or was White flight the result of something else?

        Utica, NY, Syracuse, NY, Rochester, NY, Buffalo, NY, Erie, PA, Cleveland, OH, Akron, OH, Toldeo, OH, Detroit, MI, Flint, MI. The list is long, indeed. And every single one of these cities has a similar story.

        Go to wikipedia and search for any of those cities. Then click the demographic header for each city. You will see, for example, that Rochester went from 97% White in 1940 to under 44% by 2010. All those cities on that list are similar. And you can see the corresponding increase in the black population.

        How many real life examples do you need before you believe? People who White flight are not doing so willy-nilly. They have to uproot their lives, and in a lot of cases take a financial hit. Additionally, they are severing the ties of community, and will most likely have to make new friends and social relationships. They are not going to leave unless they think it is more beneficial for their family’s future than to remain. It takes a lot to get people to move. They are not doing it out of spite.

        • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
        Here's the thing people tend to forget. For most of American history, people did NOT reside in the cities. People who came over to the US during the Ellis Island craze (ca.1880's-1924), tended to live in the cities and a good portion of US history is seen through the lenses of their descendants. As some of these ethnic groups tend to wield control over the Narrative (among other things), you tend to get "Well, doesn't everyone want to live in cities? Who wouldn't? Look at all the great things that cities provide, etc etc".

        Again, up until about the 1920s, most Americans did not reside in cities. They tended to live in smaller towns or on farms.

        Also, during the post-war, something known as Levittown, the first mass produced suburb came into being. It quickly caught on during the '50's. Also, President Eisenhower's Interstate Highway Act made car travel easier, more convenient, etc.

        So there are actually a few factors at work as to why many Americans deserted the cities post WW2.

        1. They were returning back to their native roots. Again, most Americans did not reside in cities for most of their history.

        2. The suburbs came into their own after the war. They offered smaller, intimate neighborhoods. Instead of cramped rowhouses with no land (which could be very claustrophobic), they offered a detached house, with a front and back yard. Only way to reach the suburbs in those early days was by way of car. Think Leave it to Beaver. What did the show of the mid/late '50's depict? Suburban life that was simply idyllic. As the suburbs developed, they also built their own schools, libraries, etc. Thus there was no reason to go to the cities as often as before.

        3. Cars became more affordable for most Americans, coupled with the Interstate Highway Act, which made car travel easier.

        4. Also around this time as whites were deserting the cities, the main demographic that remained behind were African-Americans.


        Technically White Flight in most urban areas started BEFORE the increase in crime, due in no small part to the popularity of Levittown, NY and the idea of pre-planned suburban communities, only accessible by car.

        Thus there really was no reason to go to cities for very much by the late '60's/'70's.

        As most of the national media was located in NY, and tended to reside in the city or at least in the NY Metro, the media was either clueless (or willfully ignorant) as to why most Americans preferred the suburbs to living in the cities.
        , @Anonymous

        Or was White flight the result of something else?
         
        What did it result from?
        , @Art Deco
        Since you brought up my home town, I'll offer there was some white flight (especially from about 1964 to 1974), but the vast bulk of the outmigration was a consequence of post-war affluence. Space and green lawns are what economists call a superior good, of which consumption increases pari passu with your real income (or faster). In 1930, about 90% of the dense settlement in Monroe County was to be found within city limits. Now its about 35%. The city has continued to decline demographically, and the behavior of the lumpen population is a motor for that, but it's a slow leak.

        The northeast end of the city has been a black slum for 50+ years. It was sad multi-ethnic area before that, chock-a-block with housing of various sorts wherein you had multiple families to a unit. That situation was ample motive for people to move as soon as they had the income to do so, w/o regard to the crime. The crime in that section of town right now is appalling, but the people living there have a great deal more space and privacy than was the case 70 years ago.
        , @JackOH
        istevefan, yep, you offer good thoughts on White flight.

        In my area, Midwestern industrial, after 1966 had race as a strong driver of White flight. Whites in noticeable numbers leaving for suburban school districts. Remaining Whites sent their kids to parochial schools. Extremely ugly stuff.

        My Mom got out in 1972. (Yep, "got out" in various forms was a real expression to describe White flight. As in: "When are you getting out?" "Bob and his family in the first block got out last month".) Her rent was $164/month. Her mortgage had been $57/month. After about 13 years, she'd sold the house for about what my deceased Dad had paid for it.

        Those who remained faced a nightmare. One elderly woman had her garage torched in retaliation for sassing a gangbanger who controlled the street. Another man, a veteran of Patton's army, finally was persuaded by his daughter to get out with his wife. They remained in their house after dark out of fear.
      59. @Arclight
        Of course not, and there never will be - that would be punching down because for at least 25 years (maybe longer, just a comment on my age) the only acceptable narrative is that blacks are the hapless and helpless victims of events shaped by white agency. And such a movie would also have to include middle class blacks pulling up stakes close on the heels of their white neighbors, a phenomena that is usually ignored.

        All that said, we are at a point where I wonder if the pendulum has swung so far in one denial-laden direction that we are due for a return to some very frank discussion of the pathologies of urban culture. It might take a Democrat in the WH for the stark difference between their rhetoric and failed solutions to make things clear for the average voter, though.

        we are due for a return to some very frank discussion of the pathologies of urban culture. It might take a Democrat in the WH for the stark difference between their rhetoric and failed solutions to make things clear for the average voter, though.

        We can call it a “Beer Summit.”

      60. “They ran with the money.” As if every city is endowed with a bank vault full of tax dollars that white people stole and fled with.

        Shouldn’t a reasonably intelligent adult realize that productivity/prosperity -> tax revenue rather than the reverse?

      61. dates to 1955-57.

        That’s when the song “Let There Be Peace on Earth, and Let It Begin With Me” was introduced, and that’s what the white folks of Baltimore were doing.

        (Also, major league baseball, not yet capitalized and trademarked, had just returned to the city after a half-century absence. The original Orioles had decamped to the Bronx.)

        The song, now in hymnals everywhere, was written by Hollywood composer Sy Miller and his wife Jill Jackson, and introduced to the world by Long Beach’s International Children’s Choir, founded by the wonderfully-named Easter Beekly. Easter Bartley Beekly.

        I don’t know if Mrs Beekly was related to Robert. Or if she had ever met the Buddhist Brit Christmas Humphreys, a fun introduction to have made.

        • Replies: @Autochthon
        https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/disney/images/5/58/Mrs._Beakley.jpg
      62. @Mr. Anon
        If they need magical white people with the magical $$$?, isn't David Simon admitting that the Blacks in Baltimore couldn't manage a city by themselves?

        Yes. The only thing worse than living next door to racist whites is when the whites confirm their racism by moving away and stealing that possibility from you.

        Access to whites is not a human right.

        “Tax base” is just the other side of the “good schools” coin.

        Both also happen to reveal the actual problem if anyone were honest about it. Both also demonstrate how civic investment has been boiled down by the diversity project into nothing more than forced resource extraction and redistribution.

        In the current year I find it truly stunning that any white people still don’t see how they are despised and dehumanized into tax cattle and ballast to keep the ship of multiculty fools afloat and on course toward Brazil.

        There are millions of goodwhite tax cattle eagerly awaiting the anti-white, anti-christian, anti-heritage Democrat party scrum of hate to produce the next Saint Obama to cleanse the them of their guilt.

        Thats much more crazy than some hollywood babyeater getting his panties in a twist about the ‘real messagee’ of his high art.

      63. @Bugg
        David Simon made his whole career and fortune on 2 TV series about Baltimore's inner city largely African-American dysfunction. And now tells tells us the problem is evil white people all along.Also, he decries blockbusting. So realtors who brokered panicky white people's home sales to new African-American home buyers were the whole problem? As with Chetty, the African-American community have no agency nor responsibility, simply jellyfish floating in a sea of white racism shaping their every action.

        Saw flight 1st and 2nd hand in Brooklyn in the 1960s and 70s. How many times does a family member have to get beat up or robbed or had a car broken into or worse before making a sensible decision to leave a neighborhood is not racist?

        Irony is many of the neighborhoods in Brooklyn white people abandoned in the 1950s, 60s and 70s are being recolonized by hipster white trust funders from elsewhere. But that was preceded by Guiliani and then Bloomberg supporting the police. Going to be interesting how that goes with 8 years of Diblasio and probably another liberal idiot after him.

        Going to be interesting how that goes with 8 years of Diblasio and probably another liberal idiot after him.

        Wilhelm/”DeBlassio” is already in the 2nd half of his 6th year in office. He’s up for re-election in 2021, and I very much doubt he’s getting a 3rd term. So he’s done most of the damage he’s going to do. His predecessor will almost certainly be somewhat of an improvement…but it’s not clear just how much of one.

        • Replies: @Autochthon
        Successor, not predecessor (that was Bloomberg).
        , @slumber_j
        He's term-limited, so no re-election for him.
        , @anonymous
        FYI: Predecessor means the person before him not after him.
      64. Nick Hornby’s estate agent (realtor) was based on the notorious slum landlord Peter Rachman (cf Rachmanism) who moved West Indian immigrants in to London’s Notting Hill area in the 1950s..

        What is less well known is that Rachman was known to have had a business relationship with small-time landlord, future Tory MP and Deputy PM: Michael Hesseltine..

      65. @dearieme
        renting flats to Jamaican hoodlums in 1960 England in order to violently terrorize old white ladies in the neighborhood into selling their homes, from which he collects 6% as their realtor

        Good God, estate agents (as we call realtors) make nowhere near 6% in England. I doubt if they did in 1960 but that is long before I moved to England.

        I remember seeing that horrible movie in the theaters and thinking “I’m supposed to sympathize with a dude who scams old ladies so he can get housing for thugs?”

        • Replies: @Alden
        Rachman was a Jew. They are eternal victims. Anything evil they do is just because they are victims. And Rachman benefitted society by providing better housing for Caribbean animals.
        And getting rid of White racists who probably were secret nazis during the war.
      66. It would have to be a comedy with stupid white men and clueless beckys against super-cool black dudes and strong ,wise black women…………of course in the end the kids will figure it all out….barf!

      67. @Arclight
        Of course not, and there never will be - that would be punching down because for at least 25 years (maybe longer, just a comment on my age) the only acceptable narrative is that blacks are the hapless and helpless victims of events shaped by white agency. And such a movie would also have to include middle class blacks pulling up stakes close on the heels of their white neighbors, a phenomena that is usually ignored.

        All that said, we are at a point where I wonder if the pendulum has swung so far in one denial-laden direction that we are due for a return to some very frank discussion of the pathologies of urban culture. It might take a Democrat in the WH for the stark difference between their rhetoric and failed solutions to make things clear for the average voter, though.

        It might take a Democrat in the WH for the stark difference between their rhetoric and failed solutions to make things clear for the average voter, though.

        Yearning for the bygone days of Obama? Regularly noted for his honesty in confronting difficult issues in the black community such as out-of-wedlock births, idleness, low rates of academic completion, criminality, social and economic dysfunction…

        Oh, never mind…

        • Replies: @Arclight
        Not at all, and I'm not suggesting a Democrat would be frank or honest - to the contrary, their brazen lying on this subject and the total lack of progress from whatever they suggest to improve things would red pill more people.
      68. @anon
        Batteries Not Included? A devastated, nearly abandoned, neighborhood in NYC is accosted by POC thugs on behalf of a real estate developer. They demand the few remaining old whites move out so the neighborhood can be gentrified with financial sector types. ... but how realistic is that?

        If the POC were non African Americans, and had no idea what the overall aim was, then it’d make sense.

      69. I guess the larger questions for me are

        1) Where will we all “White Flight” to, now that our one and only country is all but lost to the worldwide hordes, and

        2) How many generations will it take for our new premonitions
        a) “everywhere we go, there are more of them than there are of us”,
        b) “they hate and envy us”,
        c) “any day now, the hordes will come for us and our stuff” and
        d) “they will force us to leave and find new homes”
        to match those of the Jews, who carry it in their very HBD genes?

      70. The white flight from Newark was a recurring theme of the Sopranos. It was handled in a pretty realistic way.

        • Agree: LondonBob
        • Replies: @ScarletNumber
        The upcoming Sopranos prequel The Many Saints of Newark will cover exactly this.
      71. Didn’t Revolutionary Road dealt with some of these themes regarding suburbs vs city living? Also, in Mervyn LeRoy’s 1962 film, A Majority of One, in the opening scenes, one of the main character’s neighbors complains that “That element is moving in” (the Puerto Ricans, into a solid Jewish Brooklyn neighborhood in the late ’50’s). She is, however, stopped in her tracks by the enlightened progressive son who proceeds to harangue her about the dangers of intolerance, etc.

        • Replies: @Alden
        I read the book Revolutionary Road. Not a word about blacks or crime. The couple moved to the suburbs because everybody else was doing so as I remember it. Then they blamed the fact that they got bored with work, raising a child and housework on the suburban town
      72. There may not have been any stories of white flight. But there have been some stories about blacks leaving the ‘hood.

        The Fresh Prince of Bel Air had to flee from West Philadelphia to avoid some thugs that were out for him. And the Jeffersons were Movin’ on up/ to the East Side/ to a deee-lux apartment in the skyyy-yyy-yyy.

        But then again, I think they were living next door to Archie Bunker in Queens. So that may not have strictly been a ghetto.

        Whenever blacks are portrayed as moving out of the ‘hood it’s from a desire to “make a better future” for their family. Whites fleeing the same conditions, however, are just filled with fear and loathing.

      73. @Anonymous
        Surely, the Nick Hornby character is a thinly veiled representation of the notorious Peter Rachman.

        It’s possible there’s also a bit of Nicholas Hoogstraten, a notorious scofflaw, in there. Hornby was about 5 when Rachman died.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_van_Hoogstraten

        “On return to the UK, he moved to Notting Hill Gate and bought houses very cheaply because of rent controls, but indulged in “persuading” tenants to move out using threatening practices associated with Peter Rachman. He built up his capital through a loan sharking business based in towns along the south coast of England, where he would take property deeds as the backing collateral. Many loanees were unable to maintain his unreasonable payment terms and defaulted their properties to him, enabling him to build up a substantial property portfolio along the south coast and in London.

        By the age of 22 he was reputedly Britain’s youngest millionaire, although The Times in 1967 and 1972 referred to this status as being “self-styled”, owning 350 properties in Sussex.”

        • Replies: @anonymous
        'Nicholas Hoogstraten'

        Van Hoogstragen who claims he isn't Jewish but was once arrested for having someone throw a hand grenage at a cantor's (synagouge singer) house. Used to do deals with Mugabe before mugabe figured him out. Sort of like a much smaller time Tiny Rowland.
      74. anonymous[165] • Disclaimer says:

        ‘Simon just wants to know: Why are white people so stupid that they can’t understand that the message of The Wire is: White People Are Bad? Why aren’t they intellectually sophisticated enough to grasp that complex concept?’

        It’s like when Dave Chapelle stopped creating comedy because Whites were laughing for the wrong reasons… it is often alleged that Simon has an ulterior rightwing motive as regards The Wire by showing blacks uncomfortably close to how they really are (including the functional ones in the police) but it is forgotten that the forerunner of the show was the program The Corner which was about the junkies and not the dealers. This was filled with liberal sentimentalist pap also.

        ‘plays a (Jewish?) Con man’.

        It is based on Peter Rachman a holocaust survivor who intended to turn vast parts of (formerly-and now again-respectable since ~ 2000) west London into a slum in the mid 1950s not neccesarily for the commisions in sales but to do as all slum lords do-buy up valueable property on the cheap (Notting hill is a beautiful area now) and eventually make a huge profit. It worked spectacularly. Rachman died from a disease I cannot remember in the late 1960s but his properties went to other Jewish slum lords. He was being threatened by the kray twins and he gave them one of their famous clubs (although the krays were east-end and Rachman was west-end). For the record he used to treat his Jamaican tenants appalingly too. My grandfather was a hard drinking hard fighting Irishman who could kick any of the jamaican so called toughguys arses (and they knew it) so when they came over hassling him he just laughed at them. Rachman would cut off drinking water to black slum tenants that would not pay rent (as well as other illegal tactics) and my grandfather would throw the hosepipe over the fence for them (you can drink out of the hosepipe in England).

        Interestingly Hornby was accused of anti-semitism because he included three or four scenes clearly hostile to Jews that were not in the book though amazingly he has not been censored for it. Even the author of the original book thought they were a bit ‘on the nose’ (sorry couldnt help myself).

        We all know how Steve feels about his families experiences in Detroit and his wife’s family experiences in Austin so yes it is amazing that there is not more depiction on screen. Mostly educational desegregation is depicted.

        • Replies: @jim jones
        I always have to explain to new Indian and Chinese neighbours in my street that in the UK you can drink water straight from the tap
        , @Reg Cæsar

        but to do as all slum lords do-buy up valuable property on the cheap
         
        My mother grew up in the same neighborhood at the same time as Geraldine Ferraro. She would almost spit when mentioning her during the 1984 election-- "She's married to a slumlord!"

        (you can drink out of the hosepipe in England).
         
        Visions of George Michael just came to mind...
      75. @Paul Jolliffe
        I was never a Mike Royko fan. He struck me as a hypocrite, constantly deriding working class whites in the city for their "racism", but he himself later moved out of Chicago and to Winnetka.

        Frank Sinatra was not a fan of Royko's, either! (Has Steve ever weighed in on his opinion of Mike Royko?)

        http://i.imgur.com/E5Rm6Lq.jpg

        http://i.imgur.com/YHkpxBz.jpg

        Well, I guess that Mike was part of the white flight that he wrote about.

      76. @Bigdicknick
        DiBlasio has pretty much been cucked by the police. They seem to have mostly gotten the upper hand in the power struggle. Keep in mind: the police department is huge and has significant political power and NYC is full of important people who can't be sacrificed to the diversity gods the way others can be. Also, not sure if relevant, but NYC has a lot of its powers delegated to NY state due to the fact that even moderate democrats understand progressive democrats may kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

        Having said that, I feel that eventually a truly reckless anti-police POC will be mayor of NYC at some point.

        NYC has a lot of its powers delegated to NY state due to the fact that even moderate democrats understand progressive democrats may kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

        It’s actually the other-way-around. NYC is a municipality incorporated by NYS–any authorities NYC has are granted by the state (by the state constitution or by legislation), just like any other county, city, town, or village. It is the state that holds the legal authority. Absent delegation by the state, NYC has no authority. Perhaps that’s what you meant…

        • Replies: @Chris Renner
        I read Bigdicknick's comment as something like "NYC has comparably less autonomy under state law than other cities in New York and its boroughs have less autonomy than standalone counties do". Not sure how accurate that is...
      77. @eggplant
        Probably based on this charmer, Peter Rachman

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Rachman

        Lovely fellows like Rachman came about because the Rent Act of WWI still applied long after WWII. It may have been one of the most destructive pieces of legislation in British history, but that is merely a guess.

      78. @El Dato

        You dumb fuckmook, the flight of the white tax base en masse from West Baltimore dates to 1955-57. No slums in those neighborhoods just frightened whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line.
         
        WTF is "muh tax money". It seems to be a lump sum of cash? Maybe that's what is needed to transmogrify tragic dirt into magic dirt?

        Seriously, this is as retarded as Roosevelt complaining about people hoarding gold, making the depression worse.

        And what’s a “fuckmook?”

      79. @njguy73

        @Steve Sailer: it’s Nick Hornby, not Bruce Hornsby–but yeah.

         
        That was my reaction. Bruce Hornsby wrote an anti-racism song.

        And Rogers Hornsby was the best second baseman in MLB history.

        Everyone got that?

        Bruce Hornsby even played keyboards for The Dead at one point. He made some great music, but I do try to ignore the meaning of his lyrics, as I got that he was a flaming lefty early on.

        • Replies: @Charlesz Martel
        He's also very tight with Morriss Dees.
      80. @istevefan
        So I clicked the link and went to twitter to read some of the thread. There are a couple of cucks thought-policing this thread. I've copied parts of the exchange.

        Black ppl had no access to welfare prior to civil rights act of 1964. I'm not familiar with changes to it's design. White ppl continue to be a majority of welfare recipients and so I don't understand the theory.
         
        So the FDR administration denied welfare bennies to blacks? Per capita must be a hard concept.

        At the exact same time, White GI's got free college thru GI Bill, and white people got govt subsidized FHA loans to buy houses in gov subsidized new suburban communities. The new homes cost less than the old rent in cities.

         
        I find it hard to believe blacks who served did not get the GI bill. Why would Truman integrate the armed forces only to deny black veterans the GI Bill?

        White flight to suburban areas crushed every single rust belt city. Rochester, NY was a thriving city of almost 1/2 a million in the mid 50s but by mid 80s it's population had fallen to below 300k, 40+% reduction tax base. Every city in the Great Lakes & NE regions saw this.
         
        What came first, the chicken or the egg? Did White flight just materialize out of nowhere? Or was White flight the result of something else?

        Utica, NY, Syracuse, NY, Rochester, NY, Buffalo, NY, Erie, PA, Cleveland, OH, Akron, OH, Toldeo, OH, Detroit, MI, Flint, MI. The list is long, indeed. And every single one of these cities has a similar story.
         
        Go to wikipedia and search for any of those cities. Then click the demographic header for each city. You will see, for example, that Rochester went from 97% White in 1940 to under 44% by 2010. All those cities on that list are similar. And you can see the corresponding increase in the black population.

        How many real life examples do you need before you believe? People who White flight are not doing so willy-nilly. They have to uproot their lives, and in a lot of cases take a financial hit. Additionally, they are severing the ties of community, and will most likely have to make new friends and social relationships. They are not going to leave unless they think it is more beneficial for their family's future than to remain. It takes a lot to get people to move. They are not doing it out of spite.

        Here’s the thing people tend to forget. For most of American history, people did NOT reside in the cities. People who came over to the US during the Ellis Island craze (ca.1880’s-1924), tended to live in the cities and a good portion of US history is seen through the lenses of their descendants. As some of these ethnic groups tend to wield control over the Narrative (among other things), you tend to get “Well, doesn’t everyone want to live in cities? Who wouldn’t? Look at all the great things that cities provide, etc etc”.

        Again, up until about the 1920s, most Americans did not reside in cities. They tended to live in smaller towns or on farms.

        Also, during the post-war, something known as Levittown, the first mass produced suburb came into being. It quickly caught on during the ’50’s. Also, President Eisenhower’s Interstate Highway Act made car travel easier, more convenient, etc.

        So there are actually a few factors at work as to why many Americans deserted the cities post WW2.

        1. They were returning back to their native roots. Again, most Americans did not reside in cities for most of their history.

        2. The suburbs came into their own after the war. They offered smaller, intimate neighborhoods. Instead of cramped rowhouses with no land (which could be very claustrophobic), they offered a detached house, with a front and back yard. Only way to reach the suburbs in those early days was by way of car. Think Leave it to Beaver. What did the show of the mid/late ’50’s depict? Suburban life that was simply idyllic. As the suburbs developed, they also built their own schools, libraries, etc. Thus there was no reason to go to the cities as often as before.

        3. Cars became more affordable for most Americans, coupled with the Interstate Highway Act, which made car travel easier.

        4. Also around this time as whites were deserting the cities, the main demographic that remained behind were African-Americans.

        Technically White Flight in most urban areas started BEFORE the increase in crime, due in no small part to the popularity of Levittown, NY and the idea of pre-planned suburban communities, only accessible by car.

        Thus there really was no reason to go to cities for very much by the late ’60’s/’70’s.

        As most of the national media was located in NY, and tended to reside in the city or at least in the NY Metro, the media was either clueless (or willfully ignorant) as to why most Americans preferred the suburbs to living in the cities.

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

        as whites were deserting the cities, the main demographic that remained behind were African-Americans.
         
        Who themselves were only a generation or so off the farm. Or whatever sharecroppers called it.

        The suburbs came into their own after the war.
         
        Progressives had a lot to do with this. Now, their ideological descendants bitch.

        Conservatives aren't innocent of this kind of thing, but they do it in reverse. Now they defend old progressive atrocities like nuclear war and, well, the Interstate Highway System.
        , @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

        1. They were returning back to their native roots. Again, most Americans did not reside in cities for most of their history.

         
        It's pretty flippant of you to conflate rural, 19th century living ("roots") with the totally contrived, auto-based suburbs of the post-war period.
        , @Alden
        Excellent excellent points you made. Great comment. Too much history and narrative written by one White hating group of Ellis Islanders
        , @Anonymous
        The launch of Sputnik in 1957 was the big impetus for this. Big cities were big bomb targets. Wise people wanted to get their families out of them.
        , @Jimbo
        It's true that "whites" (i.e. WASPs, Germans, and other founding stock) didn't live in cities for the most part, but the new immigrants (Catholics and jews from Europe) did. This was seen as a problem by the WASP elite, since they were staying in their ethnic city neighborhoods where they voted as a bloc and thus acquiring quite a bit of political power. This led to calls for legalization of unions, socialism, etc. I personally think the "wake up call" for them was the nomination of Al Smith (a Catholic!) as the democratic candidate for president in 1928. Something had to be done about these kikes, wops, and polacks...

        So it became a major goal of the elite to get the ethnics out of the cities and into suburbs where they would become homogenous "whites". They used the carrot and the stick: the carrot was cheap loans for suburban houses (which were not available for urban home types like rowhouses) and the stick was dynamiting their neighborhoods under the name of urban renewal and moving southern blacks fresh off the farm to what was left to chase them out. It worked remarkably well.

        If you want to understand this, read E. Micheal Jones' "The Slaughter of Cities" It goes into excruciating detail.
      81. I’m sort of stuck on “fuckmook” which apparently comes from Johnny Depp’s character Sheldon Sands in Once Upon a Time in Mexico (directed by Robert Rodriguez, 2003):

        https://youtube.com/watch?v=XVMSsKFDQcQ

        “Mook” apparently isn’t derogatory, but it’s origin seems obscure. It might be an Italian-American slang term for “knucklehead”, a Punjabi term for a nice girl, or a term from Chaldean numerology. It might derive from “moke”, meaning donkey, which is derogatory, coming from blackface songs of the 1860’s.

        “Mook” is also a portmanteau of “magazine” and “book”, first used in 1971, for a periodical that is intended to stay on the shelf longer than a regular issue magazine.

        • Replies: @Oswald Spengler
        I always thought mook was another word for henchman or lackey...like a villainous boss and his band of hired mooks.
      82. I’m going to give a different take on white flight. The way my parents described it, there was a huge housing shortage after WWII. Here were all these young people who had delayed getting married and who had come back from the war ready and eager to start families, except that there was very little housing. The first few months of my life were spent in rooms that my parents rented from another couple who were lucky enough to have a house. Aunts and uncles were also renting at that time.

        Then apparently Congress did something that encouraged the building of new houses. My parents bought a new house in a development in the southwest corner of Minneapolis. We lived on a dead-end road, and there was a cornfield across the street. Ten years later, that cornfield was long gone, and we were no longer on the edge of town as there were endless miles of suburban ranch houses in the suburbs of Edina and Richfield. And our dead-end street became a busy street because it led to an enormous new mall, Southdale (the first of the indoor malls).

        White flight in the Fifties wasn’t flight from something, but to something, namely housing. I know of two works of fiction from that era that talk about the same conditions: a children’s book called Dig for a Treasure and a mystery called The Black Goatee. And for all I know there was black flight at the same time, since I assume that blacks were just as afflicted by the housing shortage as whites were. The difference is that they didn’t manage to get out to the suburbs the way that whites did.

        There was even white flight from my block, even though it was all whites. Maybe about a third of the families who moved in moved out after a few years because the houses were too small for their growing families, or because they could afford something fancier.

        I’m not going to deny that there were whites moving to escape blacks, but what I remember from the Fifties is the enormous number of new houses being built. Were there that many blacks around that whites needed to escape from? My parents and other relatives moved out of all-white neighborhoods that didn’t have any housing for them to neighborhoods that did. Blacks had nothing to do with their moving. Leftists have taken an unimportant factor in a giant movement of people to lay a guilt trip on the whites involved.

        • Replies: @Art Deco
        Good point. The phenomenon was real enough, but it only affected whites living in the urban borderlands, so to speak. The black majority sections of the Louisville commuter belt (to take one example) hold about 130,000 people as we speak. The commuter belt as a whole has a population of 1.3 million.
        , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

        White flight in the Fifties wasn’t flight from something, but to something, namely housing.
         
        I'm going to propose that Minnesota wasn't typical of the urban North into which the Great Migration of blacks poured from the Deep South.
        , @ricpic
        The phenomenon you speak of was so ubiquitous in the fifties that whites (like my parents) who stayed in perfectly good urban housing felt out of it as almost all their peers made the move to the suburbs. I felt it too. I can remember being nine or ten and bugging my parents to move out to where all my cousins were now living.
        , @Travis
        Minneapolis had very few Blacks in 1940, and even today less than 20% of its population is Black. White Flight occurred in the northeastern and midwest cities when the Black population exceeded 20% starting around 1950.

        Blacks began migrating into Philadelphia during the first World War, which caused the Black population to triple between 1910 - 1940. In 1940 Blacks were 12% of the population of Philly, but not significant enough to cause White Flight yet...By 1950 Blacks were 20% of the population which is when white flight began to take off....

        Minneapolis has yet to be ethnically cleansed like Baltimore, Detroit, Newark and Philadelphia. Minneapolis is still 65% white and just 18% Black. White Flight starts when the Black population exceeds 20%....
        , @TomSchmidt
        When I spent time in MN in the 80s, there were very few blacks. There must have been a lot fewer in the 50s.

        Even today the state is 83% white and 6% black. My understanding is the North Minneapolis has discovered the joys of neighborhood transitioning, but there really couldn't have been the sort of white flight that took place in Chicago, Detroit, Newark, NYC, and Philly.
      83. In the superhero parody “Mystery Men,” when the team discusses auditioning other low-rent heroes to join up, one guy suggests “White Flight and the Black Menace (they work together).” Just a throwaway line, but smarter than anything Simon has to say on the subject.

      84. @TWS
        We were already flown being in a whitetopia but those who fled were awful. Completely different values. Dishonest, untrustworthy, and cynical they made worse neighbors than three minorities near us. You could no longer leave something unlocked or outside. And these were mostly white Californians from la area. East coast people were worse. Thank goodness there weren't many of them.

        We were already flown being in a whitetopia but those who fled were awful.

        So, let me get this straight – you and your family were awful? What kind of loot did you steal? Did you snag an older model Honda, cause I want that back, man.

        • Replies: @TWS
        Sorry I wasn't clearer. My family is rural. Has been forever. In the seventies and especially the eighties people fled California and areas on the east coast. They felt safer I'm sure but they sure made us less safe.
      85. @International Jew
        Your English realtors need to get on the ball. In America it is 6% (3% for the buyer's agent, 3% for the seller's). A bit less in coastal California due to the high base values. You get there with some of government-sanctioned restraint of trade.

        "Real partnership with a government":
        https://youtu.be/9hwFfO4WzBA at 0:42

        Your English realtors need to get on the ball. In America it is 6% (3% for the buyer’s agent, 3% for the seller’s).

        Actually the other way around, because the mobility of the workforce in the US is considerably inhibited by the difficulty in selling a house and buying a new one, because the 6% sales commission is based on the sales price of the home and not the amount of equity that the owner/mortgagees have in the home.

        Thus the sales commission on a house that sells for $250.000, which would be a pretty nice house for a young family in my area, but not really ostentatious, would come out to $15.000, which in times when real estate values are not inflating, could be a very real barrier to a family relocating.

        • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
        "For Sale by Owner"

        You put a sign out in the yard. It's not hard.
      86. @Steve Sailer
        At least I didn't call him Rogers Hornsby.

        Yeah, I don’t think Rogers Hornsby would have been the right guy to adapt Lynn Barber’s memoir for the silver screen. Just not a good fit, for lots of reasons.

      87. The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto 1848 by Karl Heinrich Marx:

        4. Confiscation of the $$$ of all emigrants and fuckmooks.

      88. @Reg Cæsar

        the flight of the white tax base en masse from West Baltimore dates to 1955-57.
         
        The holy GI Bill!

        Was white flight squirted out from the ghetto tracts caused by the GI Tract bill?

        (OK, OK, that one needs more work.)

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
        It was the enabler. People were leaving anyway, but why artificially accelerate the process?

        Many of those on the fence could have stayed and fought.
      89. @International Jew
        Your English realtors need to get on the ball. In America it is 6% (3% for the buyer's agent, 3% for the seller's). A bit less in coastal California due to the high base values. You get there with some of government-sanctioned restraint of trade.

        "Real partnership with a government":
        https://youtu.be/9hwFfO4WzBA at 0:42

        Your English realtors need to get on the ball. In America it is 6% (3% for the buyer’s agent, 3% for the seller’s).

        Actually the other way around, because the mobility of the workforce in the US is considerably inhibited by the difficulty in selling a house and buying a new one, because the 6% sales commission is based on the sales price of the home and not the amount of equity that the owner/mortgagees have in the home.

        Thus the sales commission on a house that sells for $250.000, which would be a pretty nice house for a young family in my area, but not really ostentatious, would come out to $15.000, which in times when real estate values are not inflating, could be a very real barrier to a family relocating and take away a large chunk of their equity in the home.

        In the UK estate agents also have other income producing services such as appraisals (valuations), surveys, and estate auctions. In recent years online estate agents have operated off even lower commissions.

      90. @Bigdicknick
        DiBlasio has pretty much been cucked by the police. They seem to have mostly gotten the upper hand in the power struggle. Keep in mind: the police department is huge and has significant political power and NYC is full of important people who can't be sacrificed to the diversity gods the way others can be. Also, not sure if relevant, but NYC has a lot of its powers delegated to NY state due to the fact that even moderate democrats understand progressive democrats may kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

        Having said that, I feel that eventually a truly reckless anti-police POC will be mayor of NYC at some point.

        [New York City] has a lot of its powers delegated to [the] state….

        What in the Hell are you on about? New York City exists at the pleasure of the state of New York (like every city does in its respective state). The federal government and the fifty states are sovereigns. Cities, counties, school districts, and similar subdivisions of states exist entirely at those states’ discretion. If the legislature in Albany took the appropriate steps tomorrow (which, depending upon the details about home rule in New York I don’t know or care about, may have to include an amendment to their constitution), they could dissolve the city of New York outright.

        In any event, the city of New York may have an arrangement with the state of New York whereby the state retains certain powers more commonly delegated by the state to cities elsewhere, but the city of New York sure as Hell is not “delegating a lot of its powers” to the state of New York any more than somewhere a corporal is “delegating a lot of his authority” to his commanding officer.

        Here’s some light reading for you.

        Of course, de facto there has been no rule of law for an age in the F.U.S.A., so, just as the federal government bullies states with impunity, perhaps now cities are the masters of states. Such perverse rule of the creature over its creator would not surprise me, especially in the contexts of cancerous, domineering megalopoli like Chicago, New York, and Boston. Maybe that was your point?

        • Replies: @Alden
        Sometimes big and even not so big cities de facto rule. Sometimes the state rules. It depends on the cities and states.

        Since 1850 San Francisco’s ruled California. Right now, . 2 senators, speaker of the US house, of representatives 30 year speaker of the California Assembly governors, present governor Newsom Brown was governor 16 years.

        For a few decades it looked as though S California would become equal to San Francisco and N California. But then in the late 1950s NASA located in Mountain View and Silicon Valley was born. The power went back to San Francisco N California and will stay there until the tech business moves elsewhere.

        The San Francisco Democrat’s rule California. Los Angeles S California Democrats are just the donors.

        Corrupt Chicago rules Illinois. NYC rules New York State.

        It’s not all states. Looney left Seattle and Microsoft don’t rule Washington State. Yet
        But the farmers and ranchers keep flooding the state with Hispanic Indian farm workers. In a few decades the farm workers kids and grandchildren will be voting. The Hispanics will ally with looney left Seattle. And Seattle will rule.

        Detroit Atlanta and St Louis don’t rule their states and won’t in the foreseeable future. Atlanta’s an economic leader. But those 3 cities are just too black and dis functional to rule their states. Pennsylvania rules. Not Philadelphia or Pittsburg.

        It all depends on the state and how black and dysfunctional the big cities are. Colorado doesn’t rule Colorado. Ohio, not its biggest city rules. It all depends.
        , @Anonymous
        Active attempts to make NYC its own state have occurred at various times. Like the Jefferson State movement or other such efforts, it's always been successfully quashed.

        One state that can not be stopped from splitting (not seceding, but splitting) is Texas. It joined the Union by treaty that specifically states it can split into five different states. The problem is that it has little incentive to do so.
      91. @istevefan

        ...just frightened whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line. They didn’t flee slums. They ran with the $$$
         
        First, the use of word fear to shame Whites. They fled because they were afraid is akin to some sort of elementary school argument. If fear is not a good reason to flee, then we should immediately shut down our immigration and asylum system ASAP since those people are leaving their homelands due to fear. Fear apparently is no longer a valid reason to flee.

        Second, he mentions that they ran with the $$$ as if those $$$ belonged to everyone but those who had them. However, since he is considering those $$$ as communal property, would he say the same about immigrants who flee their lands and head here? Are they not taking the $$$ or Pesos or whatever out of their local economy? Don't we even offer a crazy immigration category that grants status to anyone who brings a million dollars or so of assets with them? That would be the very thing in which he lambastes Whites.

        Third, if White flight is bad because it leaves behind a less capable area, then does he have a similar complaint about middle class blacks who leave behind poorer blacks? What about the best and brightest of the developing world leaving with all their talent for the West?

        • Replies: @JimB
        And start wearing big suits!
      92. @Jonathan Mason

        Your English realtors need to get on the ball. In America it is 6% (3% for the buyer’s agent, 3% for the seller’s).
         
        Actually the other way around, because the mobility of the workforce in the US is considerably inhibited by the difficulty in selling a house and buying a new one, because the 6% sales commission is based on the sales price of the home and not the amount of equity that the owner/mortgagees have in the home.

        Thus the sales commission on a house that sells for $250.000, which would be a pretty nice house for a young family in my area, but not really ostentatious, would come out to $15.000, which in times when real estate values are not inflating, could be a very real barrier to a family relocating.

        “For Sale by Owner”

        You put a sign out in the yard. It’s not hard.

        • Replies: @Lot
        It costs about $300-500 to have your house listed on Zillow with pictures.

        A buyer who has retained a buyer’s agent can be a problem. I don’t know how often that happens in a hot market though. The title insurance and escrow companies can handle most of the paperwork.

        Full service agents who charge the full 5% are mostly for the 60+ set.
        , @Reg Cæsar

        You put a sign out in the yard. It’s not hard.
         
        If you live on the main thoroughfare, sure. If you live on a pretentiously-named "cul de sac" designed to keep strangers out, who is going to see it?
      93. “They ran with the $$$”

        Someone needs to point out to this person that there are five counties in Maryland less affluent than Baltimore City and a couple others which are only a shade more affluent. (Maryland has 24 counties). The homicide rate (per the Maryland State Police) has averaged over the last 15 years somewhere between 2 per 100,000 and 5.5 per 100,000 in those seven counties. In Baltimore City, the mean has been north of 42 per 100,000.

        The State of Maryland could distribute general revenue to the counties and school districts according to formulae which had as arguments, total population, school age population, and the difference in personal income per capita between the most affluent county and a given county. That would create a riser to stand on for the more impecunious counties and school districts. They all could then fill out their revenue stream with local taxes. That might have been helpful for Baltimore City authorities, provided they didn’t piss the money away with corrupt practices (such as featherbedding, widespread placement of patronage bozos, opaque and inflated employee compensation, rigged bidding on public contracts, &c). It would not have repaired Baltimore’s problems, because public authorities in Maryland in general and Baltimore City in particular have never demonstrated any interest in doing that.

        • Replies: @Vinteuil
        AD, you're making important points, here, but, seriously, you need to dumb it down a bit.

        The State of Maryland could distribute general revenue to the counties and school districts according to formulae which had as arguments, total population, school age population, and the difference in personal income per capita between the most affluent county and a given county. That would create a riser to stand on for the more impecunious counties and school districts.
         
        I mean, who, here, besides me, made it past "formulae?"
      94. Has There Ever Been a Realistic Movie About White Flight?

        Has there every been a realistic movie about anything?

        • Agree: YetAnotherAnon
        • Replies: @Simon Tugmutton
        This one?

        https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082096/
      95. “Simon just wants to know: Why are white people so stupid that they can’t understand that the message of The Wire is: White People Are Bad?”

        Sounds to me like he’s actually angry that they were smart enough to see it coming:

        “No slums in those neighborhoods just frightened whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line.”

      96. @Bigdicknick
        You're misinterpreting the logic. Whites = bad. So whatever they are doing is bad. White's moving in = bad = gentrification. Whites leaving = white flight = bad. I am sure whites staying where they are is bad too although I don't think they have invented a great word for that...yet.


        This is similar to the Carranza's NYC schools lecture on white supremacist teachers where they literally said putting quantity over quality = white supremacist AND perfectionism also = white supremacist. So literally any strategy for output of work is white supremacist.

        What's funny about this stuff is the white allies inevitably get it first whereas people like me who have self respect will get it last, if it all.

        You’re misinterpreting the logic. Whites = bad. So whatever they are doing is bad. White’s moving in = bad = gentrification. Whites leaving = white flight = bad. I am sure whites staying where they are is bad too although I don’t think they have invented a great word for that…yet.

        White people, can’t live with ’em, can’t live without ’em.

      97. Because my parents lacked white privilege I grew up in black majority schools — from elementary school to my sophomore year in high school. Having blonde hair and blue eyes didn’t help my situation. I formed my opinion of black people at an early age. During that time “white flight” was not part of my lexicon, but it was still my dream.

      98. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

        “freedom begins with the ability to say 2 + 2 = 4”
        George Orwell 1984

        In our own depressing, Kali Yuga time, freedom beings with the ability to discuss racial realities on subjects like White Flight, Affirmative Action, Black Crime, the JQ.

        John Derbyshire’s very practical, honest article “The Talk, the non Black version” is a pretty good one stop telling like it is. Also Jean Respail’s end of the White Western world novel “The Camp of the Saints” is another one. Just admitting that you read Respail’s “Camp of the Saints” is sure to get you fired from your job, blacklisted to ever work in Conservative Inc or the DNC.

        Here’s the Derb’s “The Talk”.

        https://www.takimag.com/article/the_talk_nonblack_version_john_derbyshire/

      99. We all know what Virtue Signallers are: those who ostentatiously proclaim their alignment with the progressive canon as a way of getting kudos in their left wing bubble and likes at DailyKos.

        There is, however, something called a Virtue Swindler. It’s the person that encourages the Virtue Signaller to adopt politically correct views, even (and sometimes especially) if it is ultimately detrimental to Virtue Signaller.

        David Simon strikes me as a Virtue Swindler. And, there is nothing that makes a Virtue Swindler so mad as when their marks don’t fall for the swindle.

      100. @eggplant
        Probably based on this charmer, Peter Rachman

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Rachman

        Nicolas van Hoogenstraten was another slumlord of that ilk. His story involves murdering his business partner (and beating the rap), being BFFs with Robert Mugabe and building a vast Georgian style country palace and leaving it uninhabited (after falling out with the courts over public rights of way).

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_van_Hoogstraten

      101. anonymous[165] • Disclaimer says:
        @YetAnotherAnon
        It's possible there's also a bit of Nicholas Hoogstraten, a notorious scofflaw, in there. Hornby was about 5 when Rachman died.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_van_Hoogstraten

        "On return to the UK, he moved to Notting Hill Gate and bought houses very cheaply because of rent controls, but indulged in "persuading" tenants to move out using threatening practices associated with Peter Rachman. He built up his capital through a loan sharking business based in towns along the south coast of England, where he would take property deeds as the backing collateral. Many loanees were unable to maintain his unreasonable payment terms and defaulted their properties to him, enabling him to build up a substantial property portfolio along the south coast and in London.

        By the age of 22 he was reputedly Britain's youngest millionaire, although The Times in 1967 and 1972 referred to this status as being "self-styled", owning 350 properties in Sussex."
         

        ‘Nicholas Hoogstraten’

        Van Hoogstragen who claims he isn’t Jewish but was once arrested for having someone throw a hand grenage at a cantor’s (synagouge singer) house. Used to do deals with Mugabe before mugabe figured him out. Sort of like a much smaller time Tiny Rowland.

      102. Do the right thing (1989) dir. Spike Lee. Italian pizzeria owner vs. local blacks. Parlour burned out by black mob led by Mookie (Lee himself).

      103. @Barnard
        Gran Torino is probably as close as Hollywood ever got. It has somewhat of a happy ending feel though, the Hmong start agreeing to testifying against the gang and Walt's children and grandchildren (the people who engaged in white flight) are largely portrayed negatively. They are shown as greedy and unwilling to socialize with the immigrants who took over the neighborhood where they grew up. I can't say it is a solid example of defending white flight, but it better than most.

        In S. Craig Zahler’s Dragged Across Concrete (2018), Mel Gibson’s character is a cop who turns criminal in order to score the dough that will enable his family’s move out of an increasingly Africanized neighborhood.

      104. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
        @Anon

        whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line. They didn’t flee slums. They ran with the $$$
         
        So Whites ran with their incomes ("the money) over the line from people who are perpetually dependent on other peoples tax money to survive?

        Anti-white flight shaming seems to be some kind of whinging about inter-racial-socialist peer pressure not being effective.

        If the peer pressure isn't effective, then how does Simon conclude that complaining about its ineffectiveness would be?

        Simon's perspective assumes that county tax money would prevent Baltimore ghettos. There is plenty of White money in Philadelphia County and Philadelphia County is still mostly one large expanse of excessively dangerous ghetto.

        I saw entire The Wire series twice. There was nothing about White Flight in the series. It was gangland pornography, beleaguered multicultural cops, one immoral Jew lawyer, and nothing more.

        I saw entire The Wire series twice. There was nothing about White Flight in the series. It was gangland pornography, beleaguered multicultural cops, one immoral Jew lawyer, and nothing more.

        Why did you waste your time even watching it once?

      105. @Travis
        never saw a film about white flight or Black flight.

        they should have a film about Black flight from Compton , how the Mexicans moved into town and terrorized the Blacks forcing them to flee, ethnically cleansing the city of blacks to create a Latino Compton. Could be called Chased Outta Compton :Straight outta Compton part two.

        ‘…they should have a film about Black flight from Compton , how the Mexicans moved into town and terrorized the Blacks forcing them to flee, ethnically cleansing the city of blacks to create a Latino Compton. Could be called Chased Outta Compton :Straight outta Compton part two.’

        There could be some great scenes. Five or six black thugs weighing 1500 lbs aggregate cowering as one five foot Hispanic saunters menacingly into their group.

        Actually, what happens is that Hispanics buy houses. They’re house buying fiends. Everyone works like hell, rents out the basement to some wetback just over the border, and somehow makes the nut every month.

        So houses that were rented to blacks because no one wanted to buy them suddenly have Hispanic buyers. Out go the black renters and in come the Hispanic homeowners.

        It’s an improvement. I feel perfectly comfortable in Mexican neighborhoods — even if I don’t seek them out. Can’t say the same for black neighborhoods.

      106. Juan had to flee the drugs and violence plaguing his old neighborhood to give his family a better life. Juan is a courageous dreamer.

        John had to flee the drugs and violence plaguing his old neighborhood to give his family a better life. John is a despicable White Flighter.

      107. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
        @guest
        Is it just me, or does Simon's tweet appear to support the "fuckmook"'s argument? Yeah, white folk "took the money and ran." Without white money, whatever was left couldn't support civilization. Where's the disagreement?

        Is it the timing issue? Hardly fair of Simon to damn whites for having foresight.

        The Wire is a masterpiece of unintentional red-pilling.

        The Wire is a masterpiece of unintentional red-pilling.

        How so?

        • Replies: @Harry Baldwin
        If you've watched it and don't understand that, it would be pointless to try to explain it to you. If you haven't watched it, why would you ask?
      108. Dragged Across Concrete? While not quite explicitly white flight, it shows a white girl constantly harassed by black hoods and her mother who really wants to get out quizzes cash strapped dad(Mel Gibson who always plays dads really well) if he wishes to visit her in the hospital after being gang raped.

        • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
        Eh Steve? Why is my comment still in moderation. What is so incendiary about it?
      109. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
        @Mr. Anon
        David Simon is creating a miniseries based on Phillip Roth's The Plot Against America

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plot_Against_America_(miniseries)

        Funny how they get to define what is or is not America, and who is or is not "against it".

        Why wasn't Simon ever been held to account for his work on The Wire as a racist who traffics in "tropes" and "dogwhistles" about black dysfunction?

        David Simon is creating a miniseries based on Phillip Roth’s The Plot Against America

        Another anti-White propagandist.

        Every. Single. Time

        • Replies: @Lurker
        A fellow white anti-White propagandist in fact.
      110. @Oswald Spengler
        "Fuckmook"?

        Did Simon make that insult up or did it exist already?

      111. @The Germ Theory of Disease
        You can't reasonably expect an accurate, good quality movie to ever be made on this subject, because to do so, one would have to purposefully step on the two major Third Rails in American fake political discourse, the Things Which Can Never Be Named Or Discussed. Which is to say, the movie would have to include honest realistic depictions of TNB and TJB/TKB, and we all know this will never happen, especially not the latter. Star witness for the prosecution: David Simon himself. No further questions, your honor.

        It would also be a difficult thing to produce, from a boots-on-the-ground perspective, because it would be so hard to get sufficient numbers of skilled actors to do certain parts.

        For instance, such a movie would have to show accurate scenes of the hellish experiences of White children forced (by TJB) to attend majority-black schools: the constant bullying, intimidation and assaults, the endless chaos and disruption and noise and discomfort caused by the presence of blacks, and of course, for White girls, the non-stop sexual harrassment, molestation, and sexual assault. Pretty hard to cast and to film, unless you're making a documentary.

        Plus, to depict the realtors, lawyers, activists, politicos, fixers and machers who caused all this, you'd have to travel back in time and clone about forty thousand copies of John Turturro.

        Don't act like you don't know what I mean by that.

        because it would be so hard to get sufficient numbers of skilled actors to do certain parts. For instance, such a movie would have to show accurate scenes of the hellish experiences of White children forced (by TJB) to attend majority-black schools: the constant bullying, intimidation and assaults, the endless chaos and disruption and noise and discomfort caused by the presence of blacks..

        That’s exactly why I bailed on The Wire after a few episodes. I was like, dang, I grew up around enough blacks to know that these Hollywood actor guys have nothing like the glassy-eyed, half-moron demeanor of real black thugs. It was like when James Bond jumps out an airplane at 30,000 feet, lands in water, and comes up with his hair perfect. But you expect fantasy in a James Bond movie. The Wire was supposed to be “realistic,” and I found it laughably contrived and prettied-up. I guess all those “The Wire is the best show of all time!” whites just don’t know what a real ghetto hoodlum looks like.

        • Replies: @notanon

        glassy-eyed, half-moron demeanor
         
        right, dead-eyed, zero empathy - actors generally don't have that cos if they did they wouldn't be actors.

        perhaps if someone did a show like The Wire with real gangstas people would find it easier to accept it's genetic.
      112. • Replies: @Bugg
        Looking forward to "The Real Saints of Newark". Chase rarely pulled punches. Had no problem depicting the awfulness of what places like Newark became. And the scenes with the Polish housekeeper and her husband complaining about how every answer on the citizenship test was "Martin Luther King" could not get on screen today.
      113. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
        @istevefan
        So I clicked the link and went to twitter to read some of the thread. There are a couple of cucks thought-policing this thread. I've copied parts of the exchange.

        Black ppl had no access to welfare prior to civil rights act of 1964. I'm not familiar with changes to it's design. White ppl continue to be a majority of welfare recipients and so I don't understand the theory.
         
        So the FDR administration denied welfare bennies to blacks? Per capita must be a hard concept.

        At the exact same time, White GI's got free college thru GI Bill, and white people got govt subsidized FHA loans to buy houses in gov subsidized new suburban communities. The new homes cost less than the old rent in cities.

         
        I find it hard to believe blacks who served did not get the GI bill. Why would Truman integrate the armed forces only to deny black veterans the GI Bill?

        White flight to suburban areas crushed every single rust belt city. Rochester, NY was a thriving city of almost 1/2 a million in the mid 50s but by mid 80s it's population had fallen to below 300k, 40+% reduction tax base. Every city in the Great Lakes & NE regions saw this.
         
        What came first, the chicken or the egg? Did White flight just materialize out of nowhere? Or was White flight the result of something else?

        Utica, NY, Syracuse, NY, Rochester, NY, Buffalo, NY, Erie, PA, Cleveland, OH, Akron, OH, Toldeo, OH, Detroit, MI, Flint, MI. The list is long, indeed. And every single one of these cities has a similar story.
         
        Go to wikipedia and search for any of those cities. Then click the demographic header for each city. You will see, for example, that Rochester went from 97% White in 1940 to under 44% by 2010. All those cities on that list are similar. And you can see the corresponding increase in the black population.

        How many real life examples do you need before you believe? People who White flight are not doing so willy-nilly. They have to uproot their lives, and in a lot of cases take a financial hit. Additionally, they are severing the ties of community, and will most likely have to make new friends and social relationships. They are not going to leave unless they think it is more beneficial for their family's future than to remain. It takes a lot to get people to move. They are not doing it out of spite.

        Or was White flight the result of something else?

        What did it result from?

      114. @Mr. Anon
        David Simon is creating a miniseries based on Phillip Roth's The Plot Against America

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plot_Against_America_(miniseries)

        Funny how they get to define what is or is not America, and who is or is not "against it".

        Why wasn't Simon ever been held to account for his work on The Wire as a racist who traffics in "tropes" and "dogwhistles" about black dysfunction?

        “Funny how they get to define what is or is not America, and who is or is not ‘against it.’ ”

        Yes, funny. The line between propaganda and organic narrative tends to blur. I tried watching The Wire way back when, but too many black faces got in the way. So I can’t judge if David Simon is propagandist or storyteller. Writers of fiction should not be on Twitter.

      115. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
        @Oswald Spengler
        "Fuckmook"?

        Did Simon make that insult up or did it exist already?

        Did Simon make that insult up or did it exist already?

        He is virtue signaling his Jewishness.

      116. David Simon is the Ronnie Coleman of Twitter muscles.

      117. @Forbes

        NYC has a lot of its powers delegated to NY state due to the fact that even moderate democrats understand progressive democrats may kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.
         
        It's actually the other-way-around. NYC is a municipality incorporated by NYS--any authorities NYC has are granted by the state (by the state constitution or by legislation), just like any other county, city, town, or village. It is the state that holds the legal authority. Absent delegation by the state, NYC has no authority. Perhaps that's what you meant...

        I read Bigdicknick’s comment as something like “NYC has comparably less autonomy under state law than other cities in New York and its boroughs have less autonomy than standalone counties do”. Not sure how accurate that is…

        • Replies: @Forbes
        NYC has more autonomy than other cities in NYS, as much state legislation is specific to NYC or exempts NYC from same. I'm sure some would debate that--but NYC is the big dog that wags the tail of the rest of the state. That it does so from Albany--where the power is located--is a trivial matter.

        Some authorities will be different in the 5 boroughs (counties) that make up NYC, as compared to counties in the rest of the state, as those are held by the city, not the county.

        E.g., though a recent matter (two decades), the NYC mayor selects/appoints the school superintendent (in NYC, "Chancellor"). All other school districts (including city school districts) have elected school boards who hire/select their school superintendent. NYC has no elected school board.

        NYC has enacted a maximum "unposted" speed limit of 25 mph. Statewide, the maximum "unposted" speed limit in incorporated cities and villages is 30 mph. Unposted means unless otherwise posted.

        I could go on with a laundry list...
        , @Known Fact
        The state (Gov. Cuomo) has surprising control over the NYC subways -- while the city is responsible for the stations, the state has greater control over the trains, tracks and signals. Cuomo controls more seats on the transit board than deBlasio.
      118. @John Pepple
        I’m going to give a different take on white flight. The way my parents described it, there was a huge housing shortage after WWII. Here were all these young people who had delayed getting married and who had come back from the war ready and eager to start families, except that there was very little housing. The first few months of my life were spent in rooms that my parents rented from another couple who were lucky enough to have a house. Aunts and uncles were also renting at that time.

        Then apparently Congress did something that encouraged the building of new houses. My parents bought a new house in a development in the southwest corner of Minneapolis. We lived on a dead-end road, and there was a cornfield across the street. Ten years later, that cornfield was long gone, and we were no longer on the edge of town as there were endless miles of suburban ranch houses in the suburbs of Edina and Richfield. And our dead-end street became a busy street because it led to an enormous new mall, Southdale (the first of the indoor malls).

        White flight in the Fifties wasn’t flight from something, but to something, namely housing. I know of two works of fiction from that era that talk about the same conditions: a children’s book called Dig for a Treasure and a mystery called The Black Goatee. And for all I know there was black flight at the same time, since I assume that blacks were just as afflicted by the housing shortage as whites were. The difference is that they didn’t manage to get out to the suburbs the way that whites did.

        There was even white flight from my block, even though it was all whites. Maybe about a third of the families who moved in moved out after a few years because the houses were too small for their growing families, or because they could afford something fancier.

        I’m not going to deny that there were whites moving to escape blacks, but what I remember from the Fifties is the enormous number of new houses being built. Were there that many blacks around that whites needed to escape from? My parents and other relatives moved out of all-white neighborhoods that didn’t have any housing for them to neighborhoods that did. Blacks had nothing to do with their moving. Leftists have taken an unimportant factor in a giant movement of people to lay a guilt trip on the whites involved.

        Good point. The phenomenon was real enough, but it only affected whites living in the urban borderlands, so to speak. The black majority sections of the Louisville commuter belt (to take one example) hold about 130,000 people as we speak. The commuter belt as a whole has a population of 1.3 million.

      119. Read this short conversation between white and black radicals of the 1960’s to get the other point of view on white flight from Detroit, culminating in the 1967 riot:

        Charles Simmons: Thomas Sugrue explains a lot of it [in his book The Origins of the Urban Crisis]. The structure of the economy going back really to the early 1900s, particularly after World War II, with the highway administration building the highways and the housing administration building the suburbs ― that allowed and encouraged segregated housing. And then the urban renewal just moved us around and took our property and businesses.

        Reggie Carter: What happens is oftentimes when people talk about ’67 in subsequent years when Coleman Young got elected, they talk about white flight and try to tag it to the ’67 insurrection and even the election of Coleman Young. In fact, it had been going on for quite some time. … The infrastructure to flee was created long before 1967. Long before Coleman Young. The numbers demonstrate that. Now, certainly, the exit accelerated in the 1950s after World War II and again after the 1967 rebellion. But it had already been going on. And to compound matters, the whole dislocation and disruption of stable black neighborhoods with the creation of expressways helped further that along. I mean, here you had Black Bottom, where you had a lot of self-sustaining black businesses, and then I-75 comes through.

        Peter Werbe: The 1967 rebellion didn’t cause white flight; white flight caused the 1967e rebellion.

        https://www.metrotimes.com/detroit/white-flight-did-not-begin-in-1967/Content?oid=4618876

      120. Ed says:

        There’s a black guy on YouTube that post news reports from the 50s to the 90s. He got into some trouble after he grew a following and networks started claiming copyrights. Anyway he posted a lot of race stuff from the 50s to 60s and it’s really amazing how things are just swept under the rug now. Even the liberal news journalists of the day couldn’t hide the fact that there was a lot of dysfunction and crime in black areas.

        • Replies: @Hrw-500
        I hope he'll upload his videos on Bitchute, Dtube, etc... The networks who started claiming copyrights will do anything to stop the creation of a Streisand effect.
      121. @Steve Richter
        Would be fascinating to read a history of Blacks in America from the perspective of Whites who interacted with them, lived in the same town, ... Starting with slavery, how much violence and force was used to keep that institution working? There were slaves not only on plantations, but also farms throughout Virginia,for example. Was there white flight from slave areas? Was there black violence against whites back then - that is the kind that whites are afraid of today - being stuck in the wrong part of town, muggings or fights that quickly escalate into life altering violence.

        Stanley Engerman and a co-author put together some data on the use of coercion from a set of plantation records they studied. IIRC, it was their conclusion that a slave on those plantations could expect to be whipped about 7x over a period of 10 years.

        • Replies: @Steve Richter
        it was their conclusion that a slave on those plantations could expect to be whipped about 7x over a period of 10 years.

        George Washington has over 300 slaves at Mount Vernon. And he was away fighting the revolution. There had to have been minimal coercion of the slaves in that type of setting. Kind of like if you act up you will be expelled and be on your own in a hostile world. Martha Washington was running the household. Hiring overseers would be expensive. Then, having to track down escaped slaves? There must have been arrangements of cooperation.
        , @Ed
        George Washington did a time series study of his plantation. He found that the slaves worked harder when he was there, then when he was away. He also had quite a few runaways. He concluded the system was inefficient. Martha was so fearful that her slaves would kill her due to George’s will freeing many of them upon his death that she freed them herself.

        Slavery wasn’t a good system.
      122. @Paul Jolliffe
        I was never a Mike Royko fan. He struck me as a hypocrite, constantly deriding working class whites in the city for their "racism", but he himself later moved out of Chicago and to Winnetka.

        Frank Sinatra was not a fan of Royko's, either! (Has Steve ever weighed in on his opinion of Mike Royko?)

        http://i.imgur.com/E5Rm6Lq.jpg

        http://i.imgur.com/YHkpxBz.jpg

        Thanks for that. Notice the lesson provided to Steve in that letter? Steve would have written, “or is that too big of a job for you?” Sinatra had concision.

      123. The Pawnbroker (1964) dir. Sydney Lumet. Rod Steiger plays a concentration camp survivor who manages a pawn as a money-laundering front for a black drug boss. His Hispanic pawn assistant betrays the secret to local robbers, Steiger suffers a beating. Lots of alienation in NYC.

      124. I guess David Simon don’t want to talk about “black flight”. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_flight
        It could be interesting to see what he think of Compton who was once majorly black to became majorly hispanic.

        Btw, his tweet is now saved on both Archive.today and the Wayback Machine.
        http://archive.fo/N6Pjj
        https://web.archive.org/web/20190806165758/https://twitter.com/AoDespair/status/1155949090305236992

      125. @istevefan
        So I clicked the link and went to twitter to read some of the thread. There are a couple of cucks thought-policing this thread. I've copied parts of the exchange.

        Black ppl had no access to welfare prior to civil rights act of 1964. I'm not familiar with changes to it's design. White ppl continue to be a majority of welfare recipients and so I don't understand the theory.
         
        So the FDR administration denied welfare bennies to blacks? Per capita must be a hard concept.

        At the exact same time, White GI's got free college thru GI Bill, and white people got govt subsidized FHA loans to buy houses in gov subsidized new suburban communities. The new homes cost less than the old rent in cities.

         
        I find it hard to believe blacks who served did not get the GI bill. Why would Truman integrate the armed forces only to deny black veterans the GI Bill?

        White flight to suburban areas crushed every single rust belt city. Rochester, NY was a thriving city of almost 1/2 a million in the mid 50s but by mid 80s it's population had fallen to below 300k, 40+% reduction tax base. Every city in the Great Lakes & NE regions saw this.
         
        What came first, the chicken or the egg? Did White flight just materialize out of nowhere? Or was White flight the result of something else?

        Utica, NY, Syracuse, NY, Rochester, NY, Buffalo, NY, Erie, PA, Cleveland, OH, Akron, OH, Toldeo, OH, Detroit, MI, Flint, MI. The list is long, indeed. And every single one of these cities has a similar story.
         
        Go to wikipedia and search for any of those cities. Then click the demographic header for each city. You will see, for example, that Rochester went from 97% White in 1940 to under 44% by 2010. All those cities on that list are similar. And you can see the corresponding increase in the black population.

        How many real life examples do you need before you believe? People who White flight are not doing so willy-nilly. They have to uproot their lives, and in a lot of cases take a financial hit. Additionally, they are severing the ties of community, and will most likely have to make new friends and social relationships. They are not going to leave unless they think it is more beneficial for their family's future than to remain. It takes a lot to get people to move. They are not doing it out of spite.

        Since you brought up my home town, I’ll offer there was some white flight (especially from about 1964 to 1974), but the vast bulk of the outmigration was a consequence of post-war affluence. Space and green lawns are what economists call a superior good, of which consumption increases pari passu with your real income (or faster). In 1930, about 90% of the dense settlement in Monroe County was to be found within city limits. Now its about 35%. The city has continued to decline demographically, and the behavior of the lumpen population is a motor for that, but it’s a slow leak.

        The northeast end of the city has been a black slum for 50+ years. It was sad multi-ethnic area before that, chock-a-block with housing of various sorts wherein you had multiple families to a unit. That situation was ample motive for people to move as soon as they had the income to do so, w/o regard to the crime. The crime in that section of town right now is appalling, but the people living there have a great deal more space and privacy than was the case 70 years ago.

        • Replies: @Jesse
        Possibly, but that moving to the suburbs is just a normal part of life. We can't know what people would do if they weren't pushed out.
      126. Was Poltergeist (1982) about white flight?

      127. With both D. Simon and Jack D., one sort of fear is unrealistic hysteria even when the blood is still wet, no proof is ever proof enough, while other sorts of fears cannot be called hysteria, and no proof may be asked for.

      128. If only blacks could design a cuisine palatable and trendy enough restaraunts for white liberals. At least they’d drive down and spend some money once in awhile.

        Soul Food sounds like it might be good but..

        • Replies: @Art Deco
        Every once in a while you run across a Jamaican restaurant, but not one trading in black American cuisine. I think there were Soul food restaurants here and there ca. 1974. I heard of them but was never in one. For whatever reason, I don't think vernacular black cuisine can be readily packaged and marketed as an exotic experience or it would have been done already. As far as I can see blacks themselves when they eat out prefer steakhouses and barbecue joints and the like.
      129. @Achmed E. Newman
        "For Sale by Owner"

        You put a sign out in the yard. It's not hard.

        It costs about $300-500 to have your house listed on Zillow with pictures.

        A buyer who has retained a buyer’s agent can be a problem. I don’t know how often that happens in a hot market though. The title insurance and escrow companies can handle most of the paperwork.

        Full service agents who charge the full 5% are mostly for the 60+ set.

      130. there are several types of white flights going on now, Fleeing blacks was back in the 1950s.

        Fleeing Blacks: Already known, I dont have to go over that.

        Fleeing Hispanics. Hispanics isnt a race nor even a nationality. I think fleeing middle class cubans could be different from fleeing poor mexicans and crime. Lots of white flights from all kinds of hispanics. I have never lived around hispanics in the USA so I cant point out the details.

        Fleeing Asians. This is probably more Canadian than American, vancover has displaced its white population for asian in the last 20 years or so. The mechanism is high rents and over investing in real estate. White families that dont want to live 7 to a house leave for cheaper real estate. There is also something I see here in Hawaii, white kids dont compete so well in schools with lots of asians. It is harder to be the nerdy smart kid because the asians are good at that. A white kid in a black school wont make the basketball team and a white kid in an asian school wont make the math team. There is also sexual competition which white women lose and so want to move.

        Fleeing Democrats. Some combination of above plus general high medical insurance costs and low quality of medical care in hospitals that are staffed by 50 percent foreigners and 40 percent US quota people. No government service, schools, hospitals, police works worth a shit around dems. Your street and neighbor hood can be all white but you still might need services in Demostan. This could also be flight from white women in charge as there are a lot of white women running these failed institutions.

        White flight isnt always to Kansas or somewhere more white. Fred R fled to Mexico. I spend some time in Fred’s barrio ever year. The gringos first mention price and weather as their reason for moving to beanerstan. You pry a little bit and and there are other motivations: housing prices, homelessness, low quality medical, crime, low quality schools. I know people freak when Fred says it but middle class Americans can buy their way out of these problems and live better lives in Mexico.

        • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
        A lot of it seems to be fleeing high housing cost areas.
        Those also happen to be the areas to which a lot of immigrants are coming.

        For quite a while, more Americans have left Cali or NYC than have come in. But the population is booming.

        Those who were able to sell homes in Cali or NY do well in their new locations. They can put up a massive down payment on a house. That, unfortunately, makes housing more expensive for everyone else.
        Those of us who were renters (I moved to Wisconsin from NYC for job opportunities) are in the same boat as the locals: competing for housing with folks who made a killing selling their home in NY or Cali.
      131. @Ed
        There’s a black guy on YouTube that post news reports from the 50s to the 90s. He got into some trouble after he grew a following and networks started claiming copyrights. Anyway he posted a lot of race stuff from the 50s to 60s and it’s really amazing how things are just swept under the rug now. Even the liberal news journalists of the day couldn’t hide the fact that there was a lot of dysfunction and crime in black areas.

        https://youtu.be/aoeJ7u-6oM0

        I hope he’ll upload his videos on Bitchute, Dtube, etc… The networks who started claiming copyrights will do anything to stop the creation of a Streisand effect.

      132. But, wow, that’s a pretty thin amount of depiction in our popular culture of a giant event that happened to tens of millions of Americans who are still alive.

        This brings back a hobbyhorse of mine with regard to White Refugees in Suburbia, which is the rate of traffic related deaths, the increase in which coincided very nicely with the Urban Crime Wave (bein the cause of White Flight).

        Would you consider films exploring Suburban ennui as a variation on the theme?

      133. @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
        My favorite story about Rogers Hornsby:

        When he was manager (I believe this was during his tenure with the Giants), he used to go and piss in his player's lockers.

        Ty Cobb, who was troubled by a hard background, was actually true gentleman compared to the Rajah.

        Cobb’s background was “hard” only in some senses. His father was a state senator, an office not associated with poverty. His mother shot and killed his father, claiming that she mistook him for an intruder, when Cobb was 18 years old. According to court records, Cobb’s father suspected his mother of sneaking out of the house at night for illicit trysts and was himself sneaking around trying to catch her in the act. His mother was later acquitted of the charge of murder.

        • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
        Imagine having that hanging over your head for the rest of your life. No evidence ever implicated Amanda Cobb. Interesting that beside her bed rested a shotgun, in case of prowlers, burglars, etc. apparently that part of GA took self defense pretty seriously.
      134. @Art Deco
        Stanley Engerman and a co-author put together some data on the use of coercion from a set of plantation records they studied. IIRC, it was their conclusion that a slave on those plantations could expect to be whipped about 7x over a period of 10 years.

        it was their conclusion that a slave on those plantations could expect to be whipped about 7x over a period of 10 years.

        George Washington has over 300 slaves at Mount Vernon. And he was away fighting the revolution. There had to have been minimal coercion of the slaves in that type of setting. Kind of like if you act up you will be expelled and be on your own in a hostile world. Martha Washington was running the household. Hiring overseers would be expensive. Then, having to track down escaped slaves? There must have been arrangements of cooperation.

        • Replies: @Anonymous

        There must have been arrangements of cooperation.
         
        What do you mean by "arrangements of cooperation"?

        Kind of like if you act up you will be expelled and be on your own in a hostile world.
         
        Have you ever seen any reports of something like this?
        , @Alden
        After her first husband died, Martha became the wealthiest woman and 6th richest person in the -3 colonies. She certainly had the money to hire overseers and the Washington’s had overseers book keepers etc.

        Washington himself wasn’t just a wealthy farmer. He owned the largest distillery in the thirsty colonies when water wasn’t fit to drink. He had iron ore mines smelted and sold the iron. He owned a lot of rental property

        He also got a huge salary from the continental congress. First year he asked for expenses only He submitted $400,000 expenses and congress paid. After that he was paid $40,00 a year. I wonder what $400,000 in 1775-6 money is today? Or $40,00 1777 money is today.

        They could afford plenty of help.
        , @istevefan

        And he was away fighting the revolution. There had to have been minimal coercion of the slaves in that type of setting.
         
        A slave needed not only to escape, but to also find a safe haven, There are instances where escaped slaves joined up with Indian tribes. Later during the underground railroad days, many escaped slaves were smuggled to Canada. But those options were not easy. If you escaped and could not find refuge, you were going to be caught and punished severely.

        Contrast this to illegal aliens in modern America. Where the escaped black slave in colonial times would have stood out like the proverbial sore thumb, an illegal, especially an hispanic illegal, has a large network of hispanic communities in the US in which to blend in and disappear. Escaped slaves did not have this option. So running away would only work out if you had a final safe destination.
      135. @John Pepple
        I’m going to give a different take on white flight. The way my parents described it, there was a huge housing shortage after WWII. Here were all these young people who had delayed getting married and who had come back from the war ready and eager to start families, except that there was very little housing. The first few months of my life were spent in rooms that my parents rented from another couple who were lucky enough to have a house. Aunts and uncles were also renting at that time.

        Then apparently Congress did something that encouraged the building of new houses. My parents bought a new house in a development in the southwest corner of Minneapolis. We lived on a dead-end road, and there was a cornfield across the street. Ten years later, that cornfield was long gone, and we were no longer on the edge of town as there were endless miles of suburban ranch houses in the suburbs of Edina and Richfield. And our dead-end street became a busy street because it led to an enormous new mall, Southdale (the first of the indoor malls).

        White flight in the Fifties wasn’t flight from something, but to something, namely housing. I know of two works of fiction from that era that talk about the same conditions: a children’s book called Dig for a Treasure and a mystery called The Black Goatee. And for all I know there was black flight at the same time, since I assume that blacks were just as afflicted by the housing shortage as whites were. The difference is that they didn’t manage to get out to the suburbs the way that whites did.

        There was even white flight from my block, even though it was all whites. Maybe about a third of the families who moved in moved out after a few years because the houses were too small for their growing families, or because they could afford something fancier.

        I’m not going to deny that there were whites moving to escape blacks, but what I remember from the Fifties is the enormous number of new houses being built. Were there that many blacks around that whites needed to escape from? My parents and other relatives moved out of all-white neighborhoods that didn’t have any housing for them to neighborhoods that did. Blacks had nothing to do with their moving. Leftists have taken an unimportant factor in a giant movement of people to lay a guilt trip on the whites involved.

        White flight in the Fifties wasn’t flight from something, but to something, namely housing.

        I’m going to propose that Minnesota wasn’t typical of the urban North into which the Great Migration of blacks poured from the Deep South.

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

        I’m going to propose that Minnesota wasn’t typical of the urban North into which the Great Migration of blacks poured from the Deep South.
         
        The black population was small and stable. It was the grandchildren of the great wave to Chicago, Detroit, etc., that created "Murderapolis" in the early 1990s. Somalis and other Africans came at the same time, and looked good in comparison.

        Covenants were used on Jews more than blacks.
      136. The Jason Statham heist movie “The Bank Job” showed that a bunch of gangsters-black radicals in 70’s London were often worse than local white gangsters they replaced as slumlords. It also showed John and Yoko and other lefty hipsters as useful idiots stupidly supporting these gangsters. I was shocked that something like that made it into a mainstream, albeit British movie even in 2008.

        • Replies: @Ian Smith
        The Bank Job was partially inspired by this piece of work:

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_X
      137. @The Germ Theory of Disease
        You can't reasonably expect an accurate, good quality movie to ever be made on this subject, because to do so, one would have to purposefully step on the two major Third Rails in American fake political discourse, the Things Which Can Never Be Named Or Discussed. Which is to say, the movie would have to include honest realistic depictions of TNB and TJB/TKB, and we all know this will never happen, especially not the latter. Star witness for the prosecution: David Simon himself. No further questions, your honor.

        It would also be a difficult thing to produce, from a boots-on-the-ground perspective, because it would be so hard to get sufficient numbers of skilled actors to do certain parts.

        For instance, such a movie would have to show accurate scenes of the hellish experiences of White children forced (by TJB) to attend majority-black schools: the constant bullying, intimidation and assaults, the endless chaos and disruption and noise and discomfort caused by the presence of blacks, and of course, for White girls, the non-stop sexual harrassment, molestation, and sexual assault. Pretty hard to cast and to film, unless you're making a documentary.

        Plus, to depict the realtors, lawyers, activists, politicos, fixers and machers who caused all this, you'd have to travel back in time and clone about forty thousand copies of John Turturro.

        Don't act like you don't know what I mean by that.

        What do TKB, TJB, TNB mean? I’m also looking up John Turturro.

        I’ve used a similar argument myself.

        I lived in Miami for several years, years ago. I’ve asked people if they ever saw a book, article, editorial, basically anything except a short letter to the editor that ever raised the issue of too much immigration of Latinos altering the city (and County and State, for that matter). You’d have to go back to 1966 before Jim Knight got bought off (Knight Ridder Newspapers) on the issue to see anything suggesting that immigration could even theoretically be anything other than an unalloyed good.
        In fact, for years, except for the occasional obscure newsletter, all you could ever say in polite company regarding immigration was “More, please!!”
        I lived through the Mcduffie Riot of 1980. Make no mistake- Mcduffie’s murder by cops was the spark, but it was an anti- more Cubans riot. The crowds were asking “Is he White or is he Cuban?” before beating someone, to death in some cases.
        This has all been retconned as innocent Cubans in the wrong place at the wrong time, as opposed to the truth which is that Cubans basically consider blacks as sub-humans, and the blacks know it.

        As Thomas Sowell said, “There are two ways to tell the truth in America- anonymously and posthumously.”

        • Replies: @gregor
        “Typical X Behavior”

        The rest is left as an exercise for the reader.
        , @ben tillman

        You’d have to go back to 1966 before Jim Knight got bought off (Knight Ridder Newspapers) on the issue to see anything suggesting that immigration could even theoretically be anything other than an unalloyed good.
         
        Can you give us some more detail on the Jim Knight sellout?
      138. This is frankly why I hated this show, despite watching it through my hatred, despite realizing it was very well written, well acted, and a gripping drama that was part of this whole new “golden age of television” that everyone was babbling about. And when the poseur conservative set that comment on film/TV liked it as much as the traditional TV critics, the leftist Tom Shales types-I’m looking at you, John Podhoretz-it made me hate it that much more. It was well done, but nowhere near as original and great a show as Breaking Bad. You just knew EXACTLY the kind of person Simon was from the show without needing any research on the matter. If only Washington and the American people cared more about the poor black underclass in Baltimore, perhaps something could be done. Because THEY can’t do anything, the people who live there. That was taken for granted. But it is a tragedy and that’s why we have this wonderful dark TV show.

        • Replies: @Anonymous

        But it is a tragedy and that’s why we have this wonderful dark TV show.
         
        What is so wonderful about it?
        , @Kylie
        I watched the first episode of "The Wire" when it first aired. I was angry and incredulous that these black thugs were portrayed in a positive light simply because they were black, or so it seemed to me. I refused to watch it from then on. My first impression must have been correct because The Grauniad just loved it.

        I wish the worst on David Simon and his ilk.
      139. @Anon7
        I’m sort of stuck on “fuckmook” which apparently comes from Johnny Depp’s character Sheldon Sands in Once Upon a Time in Mexico (directed by Robert Rodriguez, 2003):

        https://youtube.com/watch?v=XVMSsKFDQcQ

        “Mook” apparently isn’t derogatory, but it’s origin seems obscure. It might be an Italian-American slang term for “knucklehead”, a Punjabi term for a nice girl, or a term from Chaldean numerology. It might derive from “moke”, meaning donkey, which is derogatory, coming from blackface songs of the 1860’s.

        “Mook” is also a portmanteau of "magazine" and "book", first used in 1971, for a periodical that is intended to stay on the shelf longer than a regular issue magazine.

        I always thought mook was another word for henchman or lackey…like a villainous boss and his band of hired mooks.

        • Replies: @TelfoedJohn
        “I don’t know what they told you, but I’m not a mook”

        https://youtu.be/il8dXEfXerc
      140. In the Death Wish film series Paul Kersey repeatedly white flights from NYC to LA. Unsurprisingly it never works out.

        • Replies: @Oswald Spengler
        In the original Death Wish, Kersey's wife and daughter are brutalized by punks led by a young Jeff Goldblum.
      141. There’s the Brandan Frazer movie Blast From the Past. His father believes the Russians are coming and locks the family in the nuclear bunker under their home in the perfect 1950s suburban neighborhood. For some reason Brandan escapes in the 1990s and find it’s now a warzone with filth and homeless and blacks everywhere. Even though the movie goes to some length to make clear that he is NOT racist (“A negro! My goodness! How nice to meet you ma’am!”), they couldn’t stop teenage me from thinking how much nicer it was before.

        Oh and at the end there’s some unsubtle moralizing about how irrational and ridiculous fearmongering about Russia was, probably by the same people who had a hand in making it the respectable way to view the world 20 years later.

      142. Cont.
        Remember, this was just after the Mariel Boatlift, which brought 100,000 Cuban Criminals from Castro’s jails and insane asylums, many of whom were in fact violent criminals. The crime got so bad the media couldn’t spin their usual “Miami was saved by Cubans!” bullshit. When people were having their fingers cut off with garden shears to steal their rings, that kind of noise doesn’t fly.
        I fact, to this day, this is still the only large immigration event where it can be mentioned that many of the immigrants were people we’d have been better off without in polite company. There’s a scene in Scarface where Michelle Pfieffer asks Al Pacino if he’s another one of those Marielito criminals and he says he’s a political prisoner. The film even had a short intro apologizing for daring to tell the truth about Marielitos, and how wonderful Cubans were.

        • Replies: @William Badwhite
        What happened to the criminal element among them? Dead and incarcerated mostly?

        I live in Miami now and things are much calmer. I wasn't here in 1980 but friends that were tell some hair-raising stories.
        , @anon
        Regarding Miami, about ten years after the 1980 Mareil boatlift, I was living in Miami, and remember the blacks targeting, robbing, and killing tourists driving east out of MIA in their sitting duck rental cars. After several murders, the state stopped making license plates marked as "rental."

        I've been gone from that area for a while, but recently spent a few days on South Miami Beach, and saw an inordinate number of thuggish blacks. In 1990, there were still mostly little old Jewish ladies sitting on the front porches of the (then) low-rent, shabby Art Deco motels on Ocean Drive.
      143. The biggest “Yuppie Horror” film is still “Pacific Heights.” I remember watching it during a business course (the professor was pretty cool.) The main antagonist isn’t black but is still the tenant from hell. Shows how one baddy can poison the whole apartment complex.

        • Replies: @LondonBob
        Pacific Heights has the couple being punished for going for the white yuppie applicant rather than the black tenant, improbably the white tenant is the bad one, the Asian couple they rent another apartment to are lovely too. The media systematically demonises whites in a way Goebbels would have thought excessive to do so to Jews and didn't in National Socialist Germany.
      144. @istevefan
        So I clicked the link and went to twitter to read some of the thread. There are a couple of cucks thought-policing this thread. I've copied parts of the exchange.

        Black ppl had no access to welfare prior to civil rights act of 1964. I'm not familiar with changes to it's design. White ppl continue to be a majority of welfare recipients and so I don't understand the theory.
         
        So the FDR administration denied welfare bennies to blacks? Per capita must be a hard concept.

        At the exact same time, White GI's got free college thru GI Bill, and white people got govt subsidized FHA loans to buy houses in gov subsidized new suburban communities. The new homes cost less than the old rent in cities.

         
        I find it hard to believe blacks who served did not get the GI bill. Why would Truman integrate the armed forces only to deny black veterans the GI Bill?

        White flight to suburban areas crushed every single rust belt city. Rochester, NY was a thriving city of almost 1/2 a million in the mid 50s but by mid 80s it's population had fallen to below 300k, 40+% reduction tax base. Every city in the Great Lakes & NE regions saw this.
         
        What came first, the chicken or the egg? Did White flight just materialize out of nowhere? Or was White flight the result of something else?

        Utica, NY, Syracuse, NY, Rochester, NY, Buffalo, NY, Erie, PA, Cleveland, OH, Akron, OH, Toldeo, OH, Detroit, MI, Flint, MI. The list is long, indeed. And every single one of these cities has a similar story.
         
        Go to wikipedia and search for any of those cities. Then click the demographic header for each city. You will see, for example, that Rochester went from 97% White in 1940 to under 44% by 2010. All those cities on that list are similar. And you can see the corresponding increase in the black population.

        How many real life examples do you need before you believe? People who White flight are not doing so willy-nilly. They have to uproot their lives, and in a lot of cases take a financial hit. Additionally, they are severing the ties of community, and will most likely have to make new friends and social relationships. They are not going to leave unless they think it is more beneficial for their family's future than to remain. It takes a lot to get people to move. They are not doing it out of spite.

        istevefan, yep, you offer good thoughts on White flight.

        In my area, Midwestern industrial, after 1966 had race as a strong driver of White flight. Whites in noticeable numbers leaving for suburban school districts. Remaining Whites sent their kids to parochial schools. Extremely ugly stuff.

        My Mom got out in 1972. (Yep, “got out” in various forms was a real expression to describe White flight. As in: “When are you getting out?” “Bob and his family in the first block got out last month”.) Her rent was $164/month. Her mortgage had been $57/month. After about 13 years, she’d sold the house for about what my deceased Dad had paid for it.

        Those who remained faced a nightmare. One elderly woman had her garage torched in retaliation for sassing a gangbanger who controlled the street. Another man, a veteran of Patton’s army, finally was persuaded by his daughter to get out with his wife. They remained in their house after dark out of fear.

        • Replies: @anarchyst
        Here is my "take" from personal experience:

        Blacks WERE a problem in 1970s and beyond Detroit.

        I was able to keep up my property with no difficulty, painting the house (outside) on a regular basis, mowing the lawn and keeping the shrubbery trimmed-normal maintenance for any homeowner.

        Contrast my maintenance efforts and results with my black "neighbors" who did not keep up their property. You see, in the 1970s HUD had "special programs" to move blacks into single-family housing, without requiring these blacks to have any "skin in the game".

        Of course, being white, I did not qualify for any of these programs.

        The liberal "urban studies" folks at Wayne State University always made excuses for blacks and their inability and lack of "upkeep" (normal everyday maintenance) on their homes. Their main excuse was that "the homes were old"...

        On almost every block, whites (mostly elderly Polish) who could not afford to move STILL kept up their homes--freshly cut grass, well-maintained exteriors, etc. despite their homes being just as "old" as those owned by blacks. No matter where you went in Detroit, one could always tell where whites lived. Neatly manicured lawns and well-kept-up houses were the norm.

        I finally left Detroit after a number of burglaries and little or no police response. The police KNEW who the criminals were but did nothing about it. You see, blacks were "oppressed" and were "untouchable".

        Another situation was the "code enforcement" harassment that us whites endured. We always used the city-supplied trash containers (one for every two residences).

        Our black "neighbors" were too lazy to put their trash in the containers, strewing their trash throughout the alleys.

        Guess who got repeatedly ticketed for "improperly disposed of trash"? It wasn't the blacks who improperly disposed of their trash--it was us whites. It was as if they (the black-run city government) wanted us to move...

        No, the old liberal excuses that poverty was instrumental in the destruction of Detroit is totally false.

        All one has to do was ask the party (liquor) store owners why they put up with the likes of blacks. The Detroit "ghetto" was (and is still) quite a "gold mine" for liquor, lottery tickets and junk food.

        I grew up in Detroit and personally witnessed the marginalization of whites along with the destruction by blacks.

        It's black CULTURE, not "poverty".
      145. Who do you think *owns* the press *runs* Hollywood? Hello.

        • Replies: @El Dato
        I just don't understand Twitter. Who talks to whom about what etc.

        Out of whose brain did that horrific mess crawl???? Useless recycled Web 2.0 dweebs.
      146. Anon[262] • Disclaimer says:

        The house that I was born in, about 1.5 miles from my current location into the city, is in a neighborhood that used to be livable and White and is now entirely Black and terrible. We moved out at the start of that, then purchasing a home from my great grandmother.

        The neighborhood of this next house went down the same road. A few years ago, one black man shot another black man in the head on the corner around the block from the home that my Anglo great great grandfather built.

        I currently live in an suburban borderland on a block that is still nice-ish (for an suburban borderland). However, Blacks have been slowly migrating toward this neighborhood for decades. In the past ten years they have completely overtaken the adjacent neighborhoods. Dangerous young Black homeless are a regular sight on the streets and crime is through the roof (street robberies, B&E, store robberies, car break-ins, homicide, etc). You can tell the racial demarcation between neighborhoods simply by looking at the weekly crime map.

        Last year, the first Black family moved onto our block after Blacks spent a few years colonizing the adjacent blocks and apartment buildings.

        We would stay, as the house is fully paid off. However, crime will soon make that unfeasible and will have to pull our equity and start over in a more expensive area. Undoubtedly transferring more wealth to the banks.

        From his Hollywood mansion, David Simon would attempt to shame my family and call us cowards for not staying here.

        He would not live here.

        There is something wrong with the world.

        Those that are responsible for it must be held fully accountable if there is to be any restoration of justice.

        • Replies: @Alden
        I met a totally racially White Puerto Rican who grew up in Chicago north of downtown and near the lake in the Whitest part of the city. His parents never even considered buying. They always rented. When the first black moved in or the first single family home was turned down and a small apartment house was built on the lot, the family just moved further north and nearer the lake.
        , @Mr McKenna

        There is something wrong with the world.

        Those that are responsible for it must be held fully accountable if there is to be any restoration of justice.
         
        Several decades in now, you sort of have to figure that the kind of justice you're contemplating is very much a thing of the past.
        , @Redneck farmer
        The people who imported African slaves are all dead.
      147. @Chris Renner
        I read Bigdicknick's comment as something like "NYC has comparably less autonomy under state law than other cities in New York and its boroughs have less autonomy than standalone counties do". Not sure how accurate that is...

        NYC has more autonomy than other cities in NYS, as much state legislation is specific to NYC or exempts NYC from same. I’m sure some would debate that–but NYC is the big dog that wags the tail of the rest of the state. That it does so from Albany–where the power is located–is a trivial matter.

        Some authorities will be different in the 5 boroughs (counties) that make up NYC, as compared to counties in the rest of the state, as those are held by the city, not the county.

        E.g., though a recent matter (two decades), the NYC mayor selects/appoints the school superintendent (in NYC, “Chancellor”). All other school districts (including city school districts) have elected school boards who hire/select their school superintendent. NYC has no elected school board.

        NYC has enacted a maximum “unposted” speed limit of 25 mph. Statewide, the maximum “unposted” speed limit in incorporated cities and villages is 30 mph. Unposted means unless otherwise posted.

        I could go on with a laundry list…

      148. @bored identity
        What about that Exodus movie?

        Oh, that one about how they “gentrified” Palestine?

      149. Anonymous[430] • Disclaimer says:

        What Steve’s generation remembers as classic white flight happened after the Long Hot Summer of 1967. Something like 200 US cities went up in flames, as negroes across the country rioted, destroying commercial districts and murdering a few cops in the process. It’s never been clear to me how so much destruction was coordinated over so many urban areas, but one theory at the time was that radical black groups (predecessors of BLM) sent out armed activists to each of these cities to spread rumors about police brutality to get the ball rolling. While SF enjoyed a Summer of Hippie Love, the rest of the country was subjected to a Summer of ginned up Black Hate.

        Black mob psychology is uniquely vicious and always on a hair trigger. As anybody who has the stomach to watch African lynchings on bestgore_dot_com knows, it doesn’t take much to trigger a violent black mob. All someone has to do is publicly accuse you of committing rape, robbery, incest, murder, or just giving someone the evil eye, and a spontaneous mob of 50 people will descend on you, beat you to a pulp, castrate you, and throw flaming tires and gasoline on you. There was a cop in the Plainfield NJ riots subjected to just such a lynching while standing sentry outside a public housing project on the city limits, and the shocking brutality of it caused many whites to rethink living in an integrated city. That incident and a race riot in the high school finally convinced two thirds of the city’s families to pack up and leave. Many whites were so in fear of their lives that they abandoned their homes, letting them go into foreclosure, since there were no buyers. To the present, Plainfield remains an economically depressed shell of the city it once was, despite its potential as a bedroom community for NYC commuters post 9/11.

        • Replies: @David In TN
        The name of the cop murdered in the July 1967 Plainfield, NJ riots was John Gleason.
        , @advancedatheist
        In 1967 my family lived in north Tulsa, a few blocks south of the black part of town. When Dad saw on TV the black uprisings in other American cities, he went out to buy a surplus British .303 rifle and a Llama snub-nose .38 Special revolver. These purchases puzzled by naive mother, who didn't see the danger. But as Dad explained it to me years afterwards, he bought the firearms to protect the family from black violence.

        Fortunately Tulsa's blacks behaved themselves. Their elders remembered the white attack on their community in 1921, so they probably took the younger hotheads aside and impressed upon them the folly of causing trouble in a city full of armed rednecks like my father, many of them World War 2 and Korea veterans who had firearms training and combat experience.
        , @Mr McKenna
        Wow, 1967. I'm too young to know firsthand, but I've always been taught that the black riots of the 1960s happened because Whitey killed MLK. A year later.

        Now I find this "TimeLine History" and all it shows is mean white cops victimizing poor, helpless black people who are obviously doing nothing but tryn ta survive!

        https://timeline.com/racially-charged-news-photos-from-the-riots-of-1967-tell-a-problematic-story-fad2823ebd16

        Linked story: "An entire Manhattan village owned by black people was destroyed to build Central Park"
      150. has there ever been a realistic movie about LA and the mexican takeover? you know, how LA doesn’t look like a 1960s surfer, valley girl paradise anymore, and hasn’t for decades?

        almost every movie about LA still portrays it as one of the greatest cities in the world. it’s actually a third world dump, with crushing traffic.

        i know, i know, there were a few. Colors, Falling Down, and so forth. since so very many movies are based in LA. but it’s rare.

        the average person who has never been to California and learns everything they know from watching movies still thinks it’s the Beach Boys out there.

        most inaccurate idea for decades now: LA has a lot of hot women. no, not really. it has millions of short ugly third world trolls.

        • Agree: Robert Dolan, Autochthon
        • Replies: @Anonymous

        most inaccurate idea for decades now: LA has a lot of hot women. no, not really. it has millions of short ugly third world trolls.
         
        Your comment made me smile. I emigrated to CA from the east coast over thirty years ago. When my elderly WWII vet uncle came to visit me in the late ‘90s, I recall his reaction when we drove along the SF Embarcadero: “Where are all the beautiful women?” he asked. I didn’t have the heart to tell him his brave service in defense of the American people was all for nothing, now that the American people had been replaced by Amerindian people.
        , @YetAnotherAnon
        "the average person who has never been to California and learns everything they know from watching movies still thinks it’s the Beach Boys out there"

        Some tourists (especially Japanese/Chinese) come to London expecting to find bowler-hatted City types (they were pretty rare by the mid-80s) and cheerful Cockneys.

        Last week some French tourists at Tate Modern had their child chucked off a viewing platform by a 17 year old who seemed to be copying that mall attack in the US. Kid's alive but pretty ill.
        , @R.G. Camara
        It's the same sad way-outdated cliche of the Catholic Church being full of right wing old priests and tons of nuns who are all so repressed and traditional and anti-science, man. And also sexual predators. Then one gay priest comes along and brings in tons of followers and is perfect to everyone, but the old bigots can't handle it, man!

        There was actually an episode of Bones from the last 10 years that depicted the Church exactly like that, so this nonsense is still rampant. These (((folks))) really know no shame in these lies.

        Of course, its exactly the opposite in reality. There are no more nuns and monks, and the old priests are Vatican II commie-homo installations who are all homos raping teenage runaways, driving people from the pews, and singing Peace chants. Some younger priests today are old school traditional, but they're getting shit on by all the homos on top.

        Ironically, the only depiction I've seen that somewhat accurately depicts this real current dynamic is Angels & Demons, where the young priest/wanna-be-pope/killer is depicted as an arch-traditionalist Catholic, while the older bishops are all wise lefties. Of course, the arch-traditionalist is a bad guy, while the lefty bishops are all good, but at least they depict the age-cohorts correctly for these times.
        , @Alden
        I have a friend. She was an actress. On the few occasions we see a slim attractive young blonde woman she’ll say “ There’s a California girl”. I always point to a 5 ft 225 of Hispanic Indian troll and say “ that’s a real California girl”

        As a group, I’d say the Hispanic Indians are the ugliest race in the planet. Bodies are worse than the faces. They’re built like dwarfs, short stumpy legs and huge broad torsos with enormous protruding stomachs. Ugly faces but bodies are much uglier.
        , @Mr McKenna

        LA has a lot of hot women. no, not really. it has millions of short ugly third world trolls.
         
        More and more, I'm finding that this is the case from coast to coast.
      151. @Reg Cæsar

        dates to 1955-57.
         
        That's when the song "Let There Be Peace on Earth, and Let It Begin With Me" was introduced, and that's what the white folks of Baltimore were doing.

        (Also, major league baseball, not yet capitalized and trademarked, had just returned to the city after a half-century absence. The original Orioles had decamped to the Bronx.)

        The song, now in hymnals everywhere, was written by Hollywood composer Sy Miller and his wife Jill Jackson, and introduced to the world by Long Beach's International Children's Choir, founded by the wonderfully-named Easter Beekly. Easter Bartley Beekly.

        I don't know if Mrs Beekly was related to Robert. Or if she had ever met the Buddhist Brit Christmas Humphreys, a fun introduction to have made.

      152. @njguy73

        @Steve Sailer: it’s Nick Hornby, not Bruce Hornsby–but yeah.

         
        That was my reaction. Bruce Hornsby wrote an anti-racism song.

        And Rogers Hornsby was the best second baseman in MLB history.

        Everyone got that?

        Rogers Hornsby had a career batting average of something like .340. Uneffingbelievable.*

        *Of course I could be wrong because I’m too lazy to look it up but it was way way up there.

        • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
        Hornsby was actually .358 for his career. He's second only to Ty Cobb, who hit .366 for his career.
        , @ScarletNumber
        Proving Cunningham's Law, Rajah hit 358 for his career. He was also the third-base coach for the original 62 Mets, which evidently killed him the following January at 66.
      153. @Bugg
        David Simon made his whole career and fortune on 2 TV series about Baltimore's inner city largely African-American dysfunction. And now tells tells us the problem is evil white people all along.Also, he decries blockbusting. So realtors who brokered panicky white people's home sales to new African-American home buyers were the whole problem? As with Chetty, the African-American community have no agency nor responsibility, simply jellyfish floating in a sea of white racism shaping their every action.

        Saw flight 1st and 2nd hand in Brooklyn in the 1960s and 70s. How many times does a family member have to get beat up or robbed or had a car broken into or worse before making a sensible decision to leave a neighborhood is not racist?

        Irony is many of the neighborhoods in Brooklyn white people abandoned in the 1950s, 60s and 70s are being recolonized by hipster white trust funders from elsewhere. But that was preceded by Guiliani and then Bloomberg supporting the police. Going to be interesting how that goes with 8 years of Diblasio and probably another liberal idiot after him.

        It was probably the only way he could make the TV series. Currently, everyone is afraid of getting gored by SJWs. So he’s doubling down on nice cheap words.

      154. @Kevin O'Keeffe

        Going to be interesting how that goes with 8 years of Diblasio and probably another liberal idiot after him.
         
        Wilhelm/"DeBlassio" is already in the 2nd half of his 6th year in office. He's up for re-election in 2021, and I very much doubt he's getting a 3rd term. So he's done most of the damage he's going to do. His predecessor will almost certainly be somewhat of an improvement...but it's not clear just how much of one.

        Successor, not predecessor (that was Bloomberg).

      155. @Achmed E. Newman
        Bruce Hornsby even played keyboards for The Dead at one point. He made some great music, but I do try to ignore the meaning of his lyrics, as I got that he was a flaming lefty early on.

        He’s also very tight with Morriss Dees.

      156. @Bigdicknick
        It's so frustrating how white flight is depicted as an irrational pathology that caused blacks to behave badly rather than a reasonable prediction that has been proven correct.

        Most of my boomer extended family members buy into this stuff. I wonder what the reaction would be if I asked them if they can name a single place on the planet where black governance works well.I think maybe the more introspective would be able to handle it, but most would react like a puritan being asked for scientific proof that witches exist.

        … name a single place on the planet where black governance works well

        Botswana does OK, AFAIK.

        • Replies: @bomag
        Botswana is rather famous for being run by White, mainly South African, mining interests.
        , @Bigdicknick
        okay so i will acknowledge botswana is run decently(and I was aware of that.) Can it be replicated though? It has massive natural resource wealth. I guess a great question is, can we replicate botswana and if so, how?
      157. @Anon

        whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line. They didn’t flee slums. They ran with the $$$
         
        So Whites ran with their incomes ("the money) over the line from people who are perpetually dependent on other peoples tax money to survive?

        Anti-white flight shaming seems to be some kind of whinging about inter-racial-socialist peer pressure not being effective.

        If the peer pressure isn't effective, then how does Simon conclude that complaining about its ineffectiveness would be?

        Simon's perspective assumes that county tax money would prevent Baltimore ghettos. There is plenty of White money in Philadelphia County and Philadelphia County is still mostly one large expanse of excessively dangerous ghetto.

        I saw entire The Wire series twice. There was nothing about White Flight in the series. It was gangland pornography, beleaguered multicultural cops, one immoral Jew lawyer, and nothing more.

        “I saw entire The Wire series twice. There was nothing about White Flight in the series. It was gangland pornography, beleaguered multicultural cops, one immoral Jew lawyer, and nothing more.”

        What about that old lady in “Hamsterdam?” She said she moved into that neighborhood when white people still lived there.

      158. Yet again, the NYT chimes right in on an isteve post topic:

        WHITE FLIGHTS
        Race, Fiction, and the American Imagination

        https://www.nytimes.com/2019/08/06/books/review/white-flights-jess-row.html?action=click&module=Features&pgtype=Homepage

        The above is actually a subtitle. The title is

        Reading the Hidden Racial Life of American Fiction

        and the “white flight” discussed in the article is whites fleeing from their duty to pay reparations and to otherwise own up to their total responsibility for anything bad that has ever happened to a black person.

        Surprise, surprise, at the top there’s the added bonus of a picture of Teh-Genius Coates, testifying to Congress about the moral necessity of reparations.

      159. @Anon

        whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line. They didn’t flee slums. They ran with the $$$
         
        So Whites ran with their incomes ("the money) over the line from people who are perpetually dependent on other peoples tax money to survive?

        Anti-white flight shaming seems to be some kind of whinging about inter-racial-socialist peer pressure not being effective.

        If the peer pressure isn't effective, then how does Simon conclude that complaining about its ineffectiveness would be?

        Simon's perspective assumes that county tax money would prevent Baltimore ghettos. There is plenty of White money in Philadelphia County and Philadelphia County is still mostly one large expanse of excessively dangerous ghetto.

        I saw entire The Wire series twice. There was nothing about White Flight in the series. It was gangland pornography, beleaguered multicultural cops, one immoral Jew lawyer, and nothing more.

        Sailer’s missing the point. Simon doesn’t believe a word of what he says. There have been rumblings from the far left that The Wire is problematic. He’s trying to get ahead of that so they don’t burn his house down while his family’s sleeping in it.

        • Replies: @Anon

        Sailer’s missing the point. Simon doesn’t believe a word of what he says. There have been rumblings from the far left that The Wire is problematic. He’s trying to get ahead of that so they don’t burn his house down while his family’s sleeping in it.
         
        By scapegoating Whites with the angriest of language, an action for which there will be real fallout given the man's celebrity, so that he can continue to enjoy his The Wire money and retched life.
        , @notanon
        sure he does - he's an Obama era SJW - the reason the Wire is "problematic" now is his portrayal of black gangbangers although massively flattering compared to the reality is still not positive enough for the new wave of SJW where *any* direct or implied criticism of a black person is bad (unless they're conservative).
      160. @John Pepple
        I’m going to give a different take on white flight. The way my parents described it, there was a huge housing shortage after WWII. Here were all these young people who had delayed getting married and who had come back from the war ready and eager to start families, except that there was very little housing. The first few months of my life were spent in rooms that my parents rented from another couple who were lucky enough to have a house. Aunts and uncles were also renting at that time.

        Then apparently Congress did something that encouraged the building of new houses. My parents bought a new house in a development in the southwest corner of Minneapolis. We lived on a dead-end road, and there was a cornfield across the street. Ten years later, that cornfield was long gone, and we were no longer on the edge of town as there were endless miles of suburban ranch houses in the suburbs of Edina and Richfield. And our dead-end street became a busy street because it led to an enormous new mall, Southdale (the first of the indoor malls).

        White flight in the Fifties wasn’t flight from something, but to something, namely housing. I know of two works of fiction from that era that talk about the same conditions: a children’s book called Dig for a Treasure and a mystery called The Black Goatee. And for all I know there was black flight at the same time, since I assume that blacks were just as afflicted by the housing shortage as whites were. The difference is that they didn’t manage to get out to the suburbs the way that whites did.

        There was even white flight from my block, even though it was all whites. Maybe about a third of the families who moved in moved out after a few years because the houses were too small for their growing families, or because they could afford something fancier.

        I’m not going to deny that there were whites moving to escape blacks, but what I remember from the Fifties is the enormous number of new houses being built. Were there that many blacks around that whites needed to escape from? My parents and other relatives moved out of all-white neighborhoods that didn’t have any housing for them to neighborhoods that did. Blacks had nothing to do with their moving. Leftists have taken an unimportant factor in a giant movement of people to lay a guilt trip on the whites involved.

        The phenomenon you speak of was so ubiquitous in the fifties that whites (like my parents) who stayed in perfectly good urban housing felt out of it as almost all their peers made the move to the suburbs. I felt it too. I can remember being nine or ten and bugging my parents to move out to where all my cousins were now living.

      161. @Art Deco
        Since you brought up my home town, I'll offer there was some white flight (especially from about 1964 to 1974), but the vast bulk of the outmigration was a consequence of post-war affluence. Space and green lawns are what economists call a superior good, of which consumption increases pari passu with your real income (or faster). In 1930, about 90% of the dense settlement in Monroe County was to be found within city limits. Now its about 35%. The city has continued to decline demographically, and the behavior of the lumpen population is a motor for that, but it's a slow leak.

        The northeast end of the city has been a black slum for 50+ years. It was sad multi-ethnic area before that, chock-a-block with housing of various sorts wherein you had multiple families to a unit. That situation was ample motive for people to move as soon as they had the income to do so, w/o regard to the crime. The crime in that section of town right now is appalling, but the people living there have a great deal more space and privacy than was the case 70 years ago.

        Possibly, but that moving to the suburbs is just a normal part of life. We can’t know what people would do if they weren’t pushed out.

        • Replies: @Art Deco
        My parents weren't pushed out. My mother was pregnant and they thought a larger house was in order. The city neighborhood they lived in was and is unremarkable. The year was 1957.

        That aside, people are only going to be 'pushed out' when they're living on an interface. Right now, blacks make up about 14% of the population of the average commuter belt. A great many of them live nestled unobtrusively in ordinary neighborhoods. The people who push you out (and the benign sorts willing to live proximate to the people who push you out) are a single digit minority of the total population. There's only so much space they can occupy that someone else might have occupied.
      162. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:

        I remember a pretty honest TV miniseries about the Boston MA forced busing crisis with an idealistic young White pro busing attorney and his family played by the “John Boy” actor from the Waltons.

        The show included a scene where some Black criminal broke in to his family’s inner city home and scared everyone. Then there was a scene where the White father/husband confessed to his wife that they really ought to consider moving to the suburbs where the schools were better/safer and the wife said this would be betrayal of everything they had devoted their live to… they ended up moving to the White suburbs.

        • Replies: @Art Deco
        It was a small screen adaptation of Anthony Lukas' Common Ground. The rap on Lukas is that he puts a mess of data in front of the reader, then draws perverse conclusions congruent with liberal social policy and judicial social engineering projects.
        , @anon
        It was called "Common Ground."

        Howard Stern did a skit on it (NSFW):

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkUaMXnOjE
        , @Lurker
        Is The Amityville Horror (book/film) a white flight dog whistle, maybe Poltergeist as well?
      163. @Achmed E. Newman
        https://www.peakstupidity.com/images/Stop_Making_Sense.jpg

        And start wearing big suits!

      164. @anonymous
        'Simon just wants to know: Why are white people so stupid that they can’t understand that the message of The Wire is: White People Are Bad? Why aren’t they intellectually sophisticated enough to grasp that complex concept?'

        It's like when Dave Chapelle stopped creating comedy because Whites were laughing for the wrong reasons... it is often alleged that Simon has an ulterior rightwing motive as regards The Wire by showing blacks uncomfortably close to how they really are (including the functional ones in the police) but it is forgotten that the forerunner of the show was the program The Corner which was about the junkies and not the dealers. This was filled with liberal sentimentalist pap also.

        'plays a (Jewish?) Con man'.

        It is based on Peter Rachman a holocaust survivor who intended to turn vast parts of (formerly-and now again-respectable since ~ 2000) west London into a slum in the mid 1950s not neccesarily for the commisions in sales but to do as all slum lords do-buy up valueable property on the cheap (Notting hill is a beautiful area now) and eventually make a huge profit. It worked spectacularly. Rachman died from a disease I cannot remember in the late 1960s but his properties went to other Jewish slum lords. He was being threatened by the kray twins and he gave them one of their famous clubs (although the krays were east-end and Rachman was west-end). For the record he used to treat his Jamaican tenants appalingly too. My grandfather was a hard drinking hard fighting Irishman who could kick any of the jamaican so called toughguys arses (and they knew it) so when they came over hassling him he just laughed at them. Rachman would cut off drinking water to black slum tenants that would not pay rent (as well as other illegal tactics) and my grandfather would throw the hosepipe over the fence for them (you can drink out of the hosepipe in England).

        Interestingly Hornby was accused of anti-semitism because he included three or four scenes clearly hostile to Jews that were not in the book though amazingly he has not been censored for it. Even the author of the original book thought they were a bit 'on the nose' (sorry couldnt help myself).

        We all know how Steve feels about his families experiences in Detroit and his wife's family experiences in Austin so yes it is amazing that there is not more depiction on screen. Mostly educational desegregation is depicted.

        I always have to explain to new Indian and Chinese neighbours in my street that in the UK you can drink water straight from the tap

      165. @The Germ Theory of Disease
        You can't reasonably expect an accurate, good quality movie to ever be made on this subject, because to do so, one would have to purposefully step on the two major Third Rails in American fake political discourse, the Things Which Can Never Be Named Or Discussed. Which is to say, the movie would have to include honest realistic depictions of TNB and TJB/TKB, and we all know this will never happen, especially not the latter. Star witness for the prosecution: David Simon himself. No further questions, your honor.

        It would also be a difficult thing to produce, from a boots-on-the-ground perspective, because it would be so hard to get sufficient numbers of skilled actors to do certain parts.

        For instance, such a movie would have to show accurate scenes of the hellish experiences of White children forced (by TJB) to attend majority-black schools: the constant bullying, intimidation and assaults, the endless chaos and disruption and noise and discomfort caused by the presence of blacks, and of course, for White girls, the non-stop sexual harrassment, molestation, and sexual assault. Pretty hard to cast and to film, unless you're making a documentary.

        Plus, to depict the realtors, lawyers, activists, politicos, fixers and machers who caused all this, you'd have to travel back in time and clone about forty thousand copies of John Turturro.

        Don't act like you don't know what I mean by that.

        There was a flick that featured a pre-meathead Rob Reiner in it.

        • Replies: @anon
        In 1970, an exploitation flick. In 2019, a documentary.
        , @syonredux
        Yeah, I remember catching this on TV years ago. Here's a scene that would never get made today:


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJPXdLg3UK4
        , @HammerJack
        Produced by Herb Hirschman!
        , @ScarletNumber
        If the teacher looks familiar, he played the father of the woman Eddie Murphy was supposed to marry at the beginning of Coming to America.
      166. @Jack Hanson
        Yet another example of a blue tick getting BTFO'd by anime avatars.

        That Simon thread is hilarious. Social media democratization of communication is great. ‘Elites’ can’t handle realtime verbal pushback, get mad.

        Yann Perrod‏ @YannPerrodIFNB
        Why didn’t somebody tell them it’s white people’s job to stay put and pay up to blacks?

        [ David Simon‏ @AoDespair ]
        No one is saying that cowardice isn’t permitted. Or racism for that matter. It’s the American way. You’ll be right at home here.

        Happy Little Jeffrey Epstein Case Rememberer‏ @HappyLittleTr11
        So you’re saying that it requires bravery to live in diverse neighborhoods? Golly, why would you go and post a dogwhistle like that?

        A Wreck of a Poet‏ @art_bax
        Yes, white people left and took their toxic whiteness with them, fucking everything up for 100 years.

        [ David Simon‏ @AoDespair ]
        They could have left the tax base, but no. They needed that to recreate a hypersegregated society post Brown. And Christ but you deserve an immediate block for your wounded sense of your own superiority.

        TW‏ @d4vidhume
        What does this even mean? People should keep paying income and property taxes in a city they no longer live in??

        A Wreck of a Poet‏ @art_bax
        LOL @AoDespair is so thin-skinned he blocked me. Guess he can’t stand hearing from actual Baltimore residents.

        Frenly Baratheon‏ @FrenlyBaratheon
        David Simon? What kind of a name is that? What is your ethnicity?

        KeriTrouble‏ @KeriTrouble
        If I may politely ask-why is that any of your fucking business?

        [ David Simon‏ @AoDespair ]
        You’re politely asking a frog.

        KeriTrouble‏ @KeriTrouble
        I thought “Frenly” was like some bad Spanish accent/joke like “We are all frenly hyur.”

        • Replies: @Joe, Averaged
        And yet they get the tax money Simon bemoans after all, but...
        , @Jack Hanson
        Its always great to watch.
      167. @Kevin O'Keeffe

        Going to be interesting how that goes with 8 years of Diblasio and probably another liberal idiot after him.
         
        Wilhelm/"DeBlassio" is already in the 2nd half of his 6th year in office. He's up for re-election in 2021, and I very much doubt he's getting a 3rd term. So he's done most of the damage he's going to do. His predecessor will almost certainly be somewhat of an improvement...but it's not clear just how much of one.

        He’s term-limited, so no re-election for him.

        • Replies: @Dan Hayes
        slumber_j:

        Agreed. And unlike Bloomberg, de Blasio has neither the money nor chutzpah to engineer a patently illegal third term.
        , @Kevin O'Keeffe

        He’s term-limited, so no re-election for him.
         
        I guess I didn't realize NYC has mayoral term limits, but I checked Wikipedia, and it seems you are correct.
      168. @Bragadocious
        Made me think of this 1976 documentary about Rosedale, Queens. Basically, a white group took over the local MLS and marketed homes only to whites. But in the end they lost.

        https://youtu.be/Dv0n1xfNf1E

        Bill Moyers: Lyndon Johnson’s bagman!

      169. @Forbes

        It might take a Democrat in the WH for the stark difference between their rhetoric and failed solutions to make things clear for the average voter, though.
         
        Yearning for the bygone days of Obama? Regularly noted for his honesty in confronting difficult issues in the black community such as out-of-wedlock births, idleness, low rates of academic completion, criminality, social and economic dysfunction...

        Oh, never mind...

        Not at all, and I’m not suggesting a Democrat would be frank or honest – to the contrary, their brazen lying on this subject and the total lack of progress from whatever they suggest to improve things would red pill more people.

      170. @eggplant
        Probably based on this charmer, Peter Rachman

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Rachman

        Rachman was a philanthropist compared with Nicholas van Hoogstraten:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_van_Hoogstraten

        For example:

        Aged 22, he was convicted for paying a gang to throw a grenade into the house of Rev Bernard Braunstein, a Brighton cantor on 12 November 1967. [snip] Van Hoogstraten said of the grenade attack in 2000: “It seems a bit distasteful to me now, but back then when I was young … these weren’t anarchists, they were businessmen, respectable people.”

        • Replies: @Dan Hayes
        Simon Tugmutton:

        Van Hoogstraten is truly A Man For All Seasons!
      171. @Barnard
        Gran Torino is probably as close as Hollywood ever got. It has somewhat of a happy ending feel though, the Hmong start agreeing to testifying against the gang and Walt's children and grandchildren (the people who engaged in white flight) are largely portrayed negatively. They are shown as greedy and unwilling to socialize with the immigrants who took over the neighborhood where they grew up. I can't say it is a solid example of defending white flight, but it better than most.

        Barnard:

        Gran Torino’s initial scenes had blacks as bad guys, but then copped out in presenting Hmong gangsters as the ultimate and final perps!

        • Agree: El Dato
      172. @Achmed E. Newman

        We were already flown being in a whitetopia but those who fled were awful.
         
        So, let me get this straight - you and your family were awful? What kind of loot did you steal? Did you snag an older model Honda, cause I want that back, man.

        Sorry I wasn’t clearer. My family is rural. Has been forever. In the seventies and especially the eighties people fled California and areas on the east coast. They felt safer I’m sure but they sure made us less safe.

        • Replies: @Achmed E. Newman
        I see. Sorry for the snarky comment, then.
      173. @Anon

        whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line. They didn’t flee slums. They ran with the $$$
         
        So Whites ran with their incomes ("the money) over the line from people who are perpetually dependent on other peoples tax money to survive?

        Anti-white flight shaming seems to be some kind of whinging about inter-racial-socialist peer pressure not being effective.

        If the peer pressure isn't effective, then how does Simon conclude that complaining about its ineffectiveness would be?

        Simon's perspective assumes that county tax money would prevent Baltimore ghettos. There is plenty of White money in Philadelphia County and Philadelphia County is still mostly one large expanse of excessively dangerous ghetto.

        I saw entire The Wire series twice. There was nothing about White Flight in the series. It was gangland pornography, beleaguered multicultural cops, one immoral Jew lawyer, and nothing more.

        The Wire’s strength was its depiction of black culture.

        One of the most hilarious and telling scenes–ghetto thugs leaving the inner city to visit someone who lived in “Ozzie and Harriet land”.

        The black culture was _very_ dysfunctional and _very_ resilient.

        Simon could not have made that show if he really believed that throwing money at that culture would change much of anything.

        • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
        I don’t understand. If you want to watch an accurate depiction of black culture, just turn in the evening news, or watch reality shows like COPS. You’ll see the culture in all its glory.
      174. @Anon
        Where does David Simon live?

        In a Baltimore row among Blacks, I would assume by the content of his rants.

        Where does David Simon live?

        Federal Hill, Baltimore

        As of the census[10] of 2000, there were 2,400 people residing in the neighborhood. The racial makeup of Federal Hill was 87.3% White, 9.0% African American, 0.2% Native American, 2.1% Asian, 0.6% from other races, and 1.3% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.3% of the population. 55.6% of occupied housing units were owner-occupied. 8.8% of housing units were vacant.

        • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
        FWIW, Wiki says he graduated from Bethesda High School - which is decidedly not in the 'hood.
        , @David In TN
        So Simon resided in an 87 % white area? That's relatively low for s white liberal, practically all of them live in the whitest place they can find.
        , @Alden
        9 percent black is dangerous.
      175. @Jonathan Mason

        Has There Ever Been a Realistic Movie About White Flight?
         
        Has there every been a realistic movie about anything?
        • Replies: @68W58
        It really is outstanding.
        , @Jonathan Mason
        Thanks. Funny that you should mention that movie, because in the process of writing my comment, the only movie that I could think of that met the criteria was All Quiet On The Western Front.

        I suppose what I was meaning was that it is almost impossible for a movie to achieve suspension of disbelief, a phrase originally coined by Samuel Taylor Coleridge, the author of the Rime of the Ancient Mariner, Kublai Khan, and other poems.

        From Wikipedia:

        With any film, the viewer has to ignore the reality that they are viewing a staged performance and temporarily accept it as their reality in order to be entertained. Black-and-white films provide an obvious early example that audiences are willing to suspend disbelief, no matter how implausible the images appear, for the sake of entertainment. With the exception of totally color blind people (achromats), no person viewing these films sees the real world without color, but some are still willing to suspend disbelief and accept the images in order to be entertained.

        Suspension of disbelief is also supposed to be essential for the enjoyment of many films and television shows involving complex stunts, special effects, and seemingly unrealistic plots and characterizations.

        I am not much of a movie fan and find it very hard to achieve suspension of disbelief. Perhaps the closest I ever came to it was when watching the movie Breaker Morant.

        The film concerns the 1902 court martial of Lieutenants Harry Morant, Peter Handcock, and George Witton—one of the first war crime prosecutions in British military history. Australians serving in the British Army during the Second Anglo-Boer War, Lts. Morant, Handcock, and Witton stood accused of murdering captured enemy combatants and an unarmed civilian in the Northern Transvaal. The film is notable for its exploration of the Nuremberg Defense, the politics of the death penalty, and the human cost of total war. As the trial unfolds, the events in question are shown in flashbacks. [Wikipedia}

        I came out of the movie theater in Bermuda circa 1982 positively fuming with rage at the injustice of it all.

        However for the most part when watching movies I am mildly amused, but never forget that the movie has a script and a cameraman and lighting and actors, and sets, and so on and that I am just watching a visual storyline filmed on a sound stage and directed by a raconteur whose name appears somewhere on the credits.

        I have also been to Hollywood on the Universal Studios tour to see how movies are made, which furthered my inability to suspend belief

        To me it is unimaginable that someone who participates in the making of a fictional movie could be believe that the movie was true, as Ronald Reagan appears to have done when relating a "true" story of military heroism that appeared to have been taken from fictional events depicted in a movie called A Wing And A Prayer.

        I think that the main reason it is difficult to suspend belief is just that real life is messy and movies are neat, and I always remember that line by movie critic Pauline Kael about how the name of the character played by Kevin Costner in Dances With Wolves should have been Plays With Camera.
      176. @Steve Richter
        Would be fascinating to read a history of Blacks in America from the perspective of Whites who interacted with them, lived in the same town, ... Starting with slavery, how much violence and force was used to keep that institution working? There were slaves not only on plantations, but also farms throughout Virginia,for example. Was there white flight from slave areas? Was there black violence against whites back then - that is the kind that whites are afraid of today - being stuck in the wrong part of town, muggings or fights that quickly escalate into life altering violence.

        E.g., Nat Turner

      177. The people that are crying about white flight have not had the full diversity experience. Well I did growing up. You need a taste of what black culture is really about to get a full understanding.

        My parents moved into a town just as the bussing stuff started and the white flight was full on. Being from a city my parents had no idea what was happening until they were there for a few years. At that point my father was stubborn and didnt want to move despite the insisting of my mother.

        There was no way I was going to public school as the blacks would beat you senseless pretty much every day. Instead my parents sent me off to Catholic school to which I walked every day. Instead they used to ambush to/from school. Getting your butt kicked and money taken by groups of blacks will wake you up really quick.

        All the while in Catholic school I had to listen to the sermonizing from the church about how we are all the same and are all Gods children. On top of this they would regularly show us films from the 60s about all the horrible things that whites did to blacks.

        Lets just say the brainwashing didnt take – here I am getting into fights with them every day while at the same time the church is telling me how we are all brothers. SAVE IT. It hardens you up quick and makes you a realist.

        By the time I was in college (I paid my way in college as my parents had no money and because I was white I was not eligible for “grants”) the town was almost completely black. Yet my father still did not move.

        Anyway he is still there at 82 and its very dangerous. I will NEVER buy a house in a town that has a sizeable black population. I bought a house in a white town a bit way but am having a heck of a time getting him out.

        I worry for him. Last year the black neighbor sprayed him in the face with a power washer and told him he was going to chop him up with a machete.

        Enjoy your diversity.

        • Replies: @Kronos
        I’m sure many on this board wish you and your father the best of luck.
        , @HammerJack

        Lets just say the brainwashing didnt take –
         
        Same here. (Lefties) truly believe that if they just brainwash us enough, we'll go like good lambs to the slaughter. But the fact is that they've been trying to brainwash us for decades and a good chunk of us still resist. Because we're tuned in to reality instead of their T.V. shows.
      178. Has There Ever Been a Realistic Movie About White Flight?

        Sure, but it was a biopic about the Wright Brothers.

        https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120535/?ref_=nv_sr_7?ref_=nv_sr_7

      179. He hilariously states, that white people left, “running with the tax money”.

        Hey! That money is not theirs, it’s “tax money” for other people!

        What were they supposed to do, leave the money?

        And yet, “tax money” is sent back to these abandoned neighborhoods, to little avail.

        • Replies: @Corvinus
        https://digitalcommons.iwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1112&context=econ_honproj

        "Although invasion-succession predicts this process of ‘white flight,’ the obvious question is what is so wrong with having minority neighbors? Why do white higher status residents move out when minorities move in? A possible explanation in the literature is pure discrimination: whites dislike minorities because they are not white (Bobo and Zubrinsky 1996). A second explanation stresses the proxy component of racial aversion: white people avoid minority neighborhoods not because of race, but because of the other neighborhood concerns correlated with racial composition like the poverty rate.

        In other words, because socio-economic status and race are often correlated, higher-income whites may avoid integrated areas because of the economic status of its residents who happen to be minorities. Consequently, some studies find that white flight may be more of a flight from poverty and decay than a flight from minorities (Jego and Roehner 2006, Vidgor 2007, Harris 1999).

        These studies both note that as neighborhoods decline, middle-class minorities often leave alongside their white counterparts.

        Similarly, the filtering theory depicts neighborhood change, not based on a changing minority population, but on a declining housing stock. This model, introduced by Hoyt (1933) and developed by Smith (1963), explains neighborhood change as a function of decisions made by property owners. Because maintenance costs rise with the age, homeowners and landlords will invest decreasing amounts of capital as buildings age according to this theory. Thus as the housing stock ages, owners invest less and less in their properties. Rather than making home repairs, more affluent residents move out of the neighborhood into areas with newer homes.

        Sternlieb (1966) relates the filtering theory to the used car market, explaining that when people upgrade to a new car, they sell their old car at a lower price as a used car. Similar is the bid rent model developed by Muth (1969). This model explains neighborhood change as a function of a trade-off between housing quality and proximity to the city.

        Studies by Fujita (1989) and Leven et al (1976) demonstrate empirical support for the idea that the more affluent will sacrifice commute time for housing quality. Based on this literature, one would expect the age of the housing stock and distance from the city center to affect the quality of an area. However, these theories make the questionable assumption that individuals cannot always freely choose where to live. For example, a minority family may wish to move further away from the city, but cannot because of discrimination in the real estate market they cannot rent or purchase a home (Hyra 2008)."
      180. @utu

        Where does David Simon live?
         
        Federal Hill, Baltimore

        As of the census[10] of 2000, there were 2,400 people residing in the neighborhood. The racial makeup of Federal Hill was 87.3% White, 9.0% African American, 0.2% Native American, 2.1% Asian, 0.6% from other races, and 1.3% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.3% of the population. 55.6% of occupied housing units were owner-occupied. 8.8% of housing units were vacant.

        FWIW, Wiki says he graduated from Bethesda High School – which is decidedly not in the ‘hood.

      181. @Jenner Ickham Errican
        That Simon thread is hilarious. Social media democratization of communication is great. ‘Elites’ can’t handle realtime verbal pushback, get mad.

        Yann Perrod‏ @YannPerrodIFNB
        Why didn't somebody tell them it's white people's job to stay put and pay up to blacks?

        [ David Simon‏ @AoDespair ]
        No one is saying that cowardice isn’t permitted. Or racism for that matter. It’s the American way. You’ll be right at home here.

        Happy Little Jeffrey Epstein Case Rememberer‏ @HappyLittleTr11
        So you're saying that it requires bravery to live in diverse neighborhoods? Golly, why would you go and post a dogwhistle like that?
         

        A Wreck of a Poet‏ @art_bax
        Yes, white people left and took their toxic whiteness with them, fucking everything up for 100 years.

        [ David Simon‏ @AoDespair ]
        They could have left the tax base, but no. They needed that to recreate a hypersegregated society post Brown. And Christ but you deserve an immediate block for your wounded sense of your own superiority.

        TW‏ @d4vidhume
        What does this even mean? People should keep paying income and property taxes in a city they no longer live in??

        A Wreck of a Poet‏ @art_bax
        LOL @AoDespair is so thin-skinned he blocked me. Guess he can't stand hearing from actual Baltimore residents.

         

        Frenly Baratheon‏ @FrenlyBaratheon
        David Simon? What kind of a name is that? What is your ethnicity?

        KeriTrouble‏ @KeriTrouble
        If I may politely ask-why is that any of your fucking business?

        [ David Simon‏ @AoDespair ]
        You’re politely asking a frog.

        KeriTrouble‏ @KeriTrouble
        I thought "Frenly" was like some bad Spanish accent/joke like "We are all frenly hyur."
         

        And yet they get the tax money Simon bemoans after all, but…

      182. @Hamlet's Ghost
        There was a flick that featured a pre-meathead Rob Reiner in it.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfrD_C8cemI

        In 1970, an exploitation flick. In 2019, a documentary.

      183. @slumber_j
        He's term-limited, so no re-election for him.

        slumber_j:

        Agreed. And unlike Bloomberg, de Blasio has neither the money nor chutzpah to engineer a patently illegal third term.

      184. Isn’t the Seattle program from your previous post about Ms. Rath just black flight?

      185. @anonymous
        I remember a pretty honest TV miniseries about the Boston MA forced busing crisis with an idealistic young White pro busing attorney and his family played by the "John Boy" actor from the Waltons.

        The show included a scene where some Black criminal broke in to his family's inner city home and scared everyone. Then there was a scene where the White father/husband confessed to his wife that they really ought to consider moving to the suburbs where the schools were better/safer and the wife said this would be betrayal of everything they had devoted their live to... they ended up moving to the White suburbs.

        It was a small screen adaptation of Anthony Lukas’ Common Ground. The rap on Lukas is that he puts a mess of data in front of the reader, then draws perverse conclusions congruent with liberal social policy and judicial social engineering projects.

      186. Gone With The Wind

        • LOL: BB753
      187. @Jesse
        Possibly, but that moving to the suburbs is just a normal part of life. We can't know what people would do if they weren't pushed out.

        My parents weren’t pushed out. My mother was pregnant and they thought a larger house was in order. The city neighborhood they lived in was and is unremarkable. The year was 1957.

        That aside, people are only going to be ‘pushed out’ when they’re living on an interface. Right now, blacks make up about 14% of the population of the average commuter belt. A great many of them live nestled unobtrusively in ordinary neighborhoods. The people who push you out (and the benign sorts willing to live proximate to the people who push you out) are a single digit minority of the total population. There’s only so much space they can occupy that someone else might have occupied.

        • Replies: @notanon

        blacks make up about 14% of the population ... [snip] ... There’s only so much space they can occupy that someone else might have occupied
         
        the percentage of feral psychos in the black population is higher than white but still very low as a percentage but feral psychos do a spectacular amount of harm per head so the effect they have is completely out of proportion to their numbers.
      188. @utu

        Where does David Simon live?
         
        Federal Hill, Baltimore

        As of the census[10] of 2000, there were 2,400 people residing in the neighborhood. The racial makeup of Federal Hill was 87.3% White, 9.0% African American, 0.2% Native American, 2.1% Asian, 0.6% from other races, and 1.3% from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 1.3% of the population. 55.6% of occupied housing units were owner-occupied. 8.8% of housing units were vacant.

        So Simon resided in an 87 % white area? That’s relatively low for s white liberal, practically all of them live in the whitest place they can find.

      189. @anonymous
        I remember a pretty honest TV miniseries about the Boston MA forced busing crisis with an idealistic young White pro busing attorney and his family played by the "John Boy" actor from the Waltons.

        The show included a scene where some Black criminal broke in to his family's inner city home and scared everyone. Then there was a scene where the White father/husband confessed to his wife that they really ought to consider moving to the suburbs where the schools were better/safer and the wife said this would be betrayal of everything they had devoted their live to... they ended up moving to the White suburbs.

        It was called “Common Ground.”

        Howard Stern did a skit on it (NSFW):

        • Replies: @Dan Hayes
        anon[142]:

        Howard's true blue liberal parents made their progeny attend Roosevelt Long Island's public schools which were unmitigated black disasters. Howard was beaten up every day by his black school mates. It made him what he is today!
        , @ScarletNumber
        For those wondering, that wasn't actually Jane Curtin on the phone, but rather Billy West.

        He went on to use the same voice when he played Marge Schott, once she was outed as a racist.
      190. @Simon Tugmutton
        Rachman was a philanthropist compared with Nicholas van Hoogstraten:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_van_Hoogstraten

        For example:

        Aged 22, he was convicted for paying a gang to throw a grenade into the house of Rev Bernard Braunstein, a Brighton cantor on 12 November 1967. [snip] Van Hoogstraten said of the grenade attack in 2000: "It seems a bit distasteful to me now, but back then when I was young ... these weren't anarchists, they were businessmen, respectable people."
         

        Simon Tugmutton:

        Van Hoogstraten is truly A Man For All Seasons!

      191. David Simon, creator of The Wire, is extremely irate….

        That’s all you need to say. In fact, you don’t even have to say it. David Simon is always in rage mode on Twitter.

      192. Insight into the transformation of American cities is provided by “Culture Wars” editor E. Michael Jones’s thick tome “The Slaughter of the Cities.” Deliberate ethnic cleansing was conducted by the then WASP ruling class in alliance with others in order to bust up Catholic ethnic neighborhoods. The means used to bring about the break-up was the importation of southern blacks. Paul Blanshard sounded the tocsin back then: There was a real animus against city-dwelling Catholics who were becoming politically powerful because, unlike the Protestants, they did not use contraceptives. (The Protestants abandoned Christian doctrine concerning contraception at the Lambeth Conference in 1930.) And that is one of the principal reasons why the formerly great big American cities look like war happened there. Anti-Catholicism is the one respectable bigotry left in this country, and the country has suffered for it.

        • Agree: Alden
        • Replies: @Art Deco
        For Jones, 'conspiracy' is his default explanation. Doesn't require demonstration.
      193. @MikeatMikedotMike
        "Has There Ever Been a Realistic Movie About White Flight?"

        The Right Stuff?

        In the same vein: The Flight of the Phoenix (1965) – Jimmy Stewart et al 99.44/100% White.

        • Replies: @AnotherDad

        In the same vein: The Flight of the Phoenix (1965) – Jimmy Stewart et al 99.44/100% White.
         
        If they made that today, not only would the cast have to be multiracial, but the aircraft model building genius would have to be a black lesbian with ethnic hair style.
        , @guest
        The drama in that film, when it's not simply Man vs. Nature, is driven by ethnic/national differences between whites. Jimmy Stewart is gruff American practicality. The German engineer is...well, a German engineer. There's even a Scotsman who hallucinates bagpipes.

        White Diversity is real.
      194. @Simon Tugmutton
        This one?

        https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082096/

        It really is outstanding.

      195. @Mr. Anon
        David Simon is creating a miniseries based on Phillip Roth's The Plot Against America

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plot_Against_America_(miniseries)

        Funny how they get to define what is or is not America, and who is or is not "against it".

        Why wasn't Simon ever been held to account for his work on The Wire as a racist who traffics in "tropes" and "dogwhistles" about black dysfunction?

        Might be as simple as it employed a large black cast and had credibility with the black folk. Not that such things always matter to the Narrative. But a show about baddass Machiavellian ghetto criminals can be allowed slack in the face of otherwise unutterable truths if it makes viewers feel cool instead of “exploited” or condescended to.

        That, and the show otherwise had its political ducks in line. And it was a low-rated premium cable show perpetually on the brink of cancellation.

        • Replies: @R.G. Camara
        Omar was the hero of the show, killing and punishing drug dealers as some sort of black-gay-corrupt avenging angel. Many whites loved him for doing what they want to be done to bad blacks but are afraid to say it.

        Racist is the new witch.

        Anyway, its the same way people cheered when Tony Soprano beat up a scumbag bothering people or intimidated a guy into taking off his hat indoors or threatened the black kid sniffing around his daughter.
      196. @Anonymous
        What Steve’s generation remembers as classic white flight happened after the Long Hot Summer of 1967. Something like 200 US cities went up in flames, as negroes across the country rioted, destroying commercial districts and murdering a few cops in the process. It’s never been clear to me how so much destruction was coordinated over so many urban areas, but one theory at the time was that radical black groups (predecessors of BLM) sent out armed activists to each of these cities to spread rumors about police brutality to get the ball rolling. While SF enjoyed a Summer of Hippie Love, the rest of the country was subjected to a Summer of ginned up Black Hate.

        Black mob psychology is uniquely vicious and always on a hair trigger. As anybody who has the stomach to watch African lynchings on bestgore_dot_com knows, it doesn’t take much to trigger a violent black mob. All someone has to do is publicly accuse you of committing rape, robbery, incest, murder, or just giving someone the evil eye, and a spontaneous mob of 50 people will descend on you, beat you to a pulp, castrate you, and throw flaming tires and gasoline on you. There was a cop in the Plainfield NJ riots subjected to just such a lynching while standing sentry outside a public housing project on the city limits, and the shocking brutality of it caused many whites to rethink living in an integrated city. That incident and a race riot in the high school finally convinced two thirds of the city’s families to pack up and leave. Many whites were so in fear of their lives that they abandoned their homes, letting them go into foreclosure, since there were no buyers. To the present, Plainfield remains an economically depressed shell of the city it once was, despite its potential as a bedroom community for NYC commuters post 9/11.

        The name of the cop murdered in the July 1967 Plainfield, NJ riots was John Gleason.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
        Officer Gleason was slandered by douchebag leftist lawyer William Kunstler who defended the scum who murdered him. Only two in a mob of twenty were successfully prosecuted, and though convicted, the co-killers ended up serving paltry sentences. Officer Gleason’s younger daughter, who was two months old at the time of his murder, grew up to be a NJ county prosecutor.

        https://www.odmp.org/officer/5490-patrolman-john-vincent-gleason-jr
      197. You could remake this movie, largely with pasted together clips from WorldstarHipHop. Similar to how Ed Wood used WW2 footage for flicks.

      198. @Bigdicknick
        It's so frustrating how white flight is depicted as an irrational pathology that caused blacks to behave badly rather than a reasonable prediction that has been proven correct.

        Most of my boomer extended family members buy into this stuff. I wonder what the reaction would be if I asked them if they can name a single place on the planet where black governance works well.I think maybe the more introspective would be able to handle it, but most would react like a puritan being asked for scientific proof that witches exist.

        My sisters neighborhood had a single black mother with kids move in nearby. All the woman did was complain about how the neighbors didn’t treat her right. Of course, not long after, one of the sons threw a party and there was a shooting. Yep, not logical reason for whites to do what they do.

      199. @Anonymous
        What Steve’s generation remembers as classic white flight happened after the Long Hot Summer of 1967. Something like 200 US cities went up in flames, as negroes across the country rioted, destroying commercial districts and murdering a few cops in the process. It’s never been clear to me how so much destruction was coordinated over so many urban areas, but one theory at the time was that radical black groups (predecessors of BLM) sent out armed activists to each of these cities to spread rumors about police brutality to get the ball rolling. While SF enjoyed a Summer of Hippie Love, the rest of the country was subjected to a Summer of ginned up Black Hate.

        Black mob psychology is uniquely vicious and always on a hair trigger. As anybody who has the stomach to watch African lynchings on bestgore_dot_com knows, it doesn’t take much to trigger a violent black mob. All someone has to do is publicly accuse you of committing rape, robbery, incest, murder, or just giving someone the evil eye, and a spontaneous mob of 50 people will descend on you, beat you to a pulp, castrate you, and throw flaming tires and gasoline on you. There was a cop in the Plainfield NJ riots subjected to just such a lynching while standing sentry outside a public housing project on the city limits, and the shocking brutality of it caused many whites to rethink living in an integrated city. That incident and a race riot in the high school finally convinced two thirds of the city’s families to pack up and leave. Many whites were so in fear of their lives that they abandoned their homes, letting them go into foreclosure, since there were no buyers. To the present, Plainfield remains an economically depressed shell of the city it once was, despite its potential as a bedroom community for NYC commuters post 9/11.

        In 1967 my family lived in north Tulsa, a few blocks south of the black part of town. When Dad saw on TV the black uprisings in other American cities, he went out to buy a surplus British .303 rifle and a Llama snub-nose .38 Special revolver. These purchases puzzled by naive mother, who didn’t see the danger. But as Dad explained it to me years afterwards, he bought the firearms to protect the family from black violence.

        Fortunately Tulsa’s blacks behaved themselves. Their elders remembered the white attack on their community in 1921, so they probably took the younger hotheads aside and impressed upon them the folly of causing trouble in a city full of armed rednecks like my father, many of them World War 2 and Korea veterans who had firearms training and combat experience.

      200. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
        Here's the thing people tend to forget. For most of American history, people did NOT reside in the cities. People who came over to the US during the Ellis Island craze (ca.1880's-1924), tended to live in the cities and a good portion of US history is seen through the lenses of their descendants. As some of these ethnic groups tend to wield control over the Narrative (among other things), you tend to get "Well, doesn't everyone want to live in cities? Who wouldn't? Look at all the great things that cities provide, etc etc".

        Again, up until about the 1920s, most Americans did not reside in cities. They tended to live in smaller towns or on farms.

        Also, during the post-war, something known as Levittown, the first mass produced suburb came into being. It quickly caught on during the '50's. Also, President Eisenhower's Interstate Highway Act made car travel easier, more convenient, etc.

        So there are actually a few factors at work as to why many Americans deserted the cities post WW2.

        1. They were returning back to their native roots. Again, most Americans did not reside in cities for most of their history.

        2. The suburbs came into their own after the war. They offered smaller, intimate neighborhoods. Instead of cramped rowhouses with no land (which could be very claustrophobic), they offered a detached house, with a front and back yard. Only way to reach the suburbs in those early days was by way of car. Think Leave it to Beaver. What did the show of the mid/late '50's depict? Suburban life that was simply idyllic. As the suburbs developed, they also built their own schools, libraries, etc. Thus there was no reason to go to the cities as often as before.

        3. Cars became more affordable for most Americans, coupled with the Interstate Highway Act, which made car travel easier.

        4. Also around this time as whites were deserting the cities, the main demographic that remained behind were African-Americans.


        Technically White Flight in most urban areas started BEFORE the increase in crime, due in no small part to the popularity of Levittown, NY and the idea of pre-planned suburban communities, only accessible by car.

        Thus there really was no reason to go to cities for very much by the late '60's/'70's.

        As most of the national media was located in NY, and tended to reside in the city or at least in the NY Metro, the media was either clueless (or willfully ignorant) as to why most Americans preferred the suburbs to living in the cities.

        as whites were deserting the cities, the main demographic that remained behind were African-Americans.

        Who themselves were only a generation or so off the farm. Or whatever sharecroppers called it.

        The suburbs came into their own after the war.

        Progressives had a lot to do with this. Now, their ideological descendants bitch.

        Conservatives aren’t innocent of this kind of thing, but they do it in reverse. Now they defend old progressive atrocities like nuclear war and, well, the Interstate Highway System.

        • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan

        Conservatives aren’t innocent of this kind of thing, but they do it in reverse. Now they defend old progressive atrocities like nuclear war and, well, the Interstate Highway System.

         
        True

        But of course, no real right-winger or traditionalist could ever defend the Federal Housing Authority or the Interstate Highway System.

        The fact that the FHA came out of the Roosevelt den is a pretty clear sign that the intention was to use "home ownership" as an Orwellian future tool of destroying small towns and urban neighborhoods in favor of rootless consumerism.

        The American subsidization of the car was also a disaster. Our passenger rail service was the best in the world. We blew that up in favor of becoming addicted to our cars.
        , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
        The interstate highway system was great for the US. It worked. It unified an entire swath of hodge podge, haphazard roads and helped connect them together, thus making auto travel more efficient.

        THIS example was referenced by candidate Trump at least twice during the GOP debates in ‘15-‘16. Trump was making the point of the kind of infrastructure internal improvements that he wanted to implement if elected as President.
      201. OT

        The meedja landscape with the self-toxifying virtuous liberalism starts to become … difficult.

        There is blood in the water.

        “NYT changes front-page mass shootings headline after backlash from Dem 2020 hopefuls”

        https://www.rt.com/usa/465918-nyt-headline-mass-shooting/

        Is Dayton already memoryholed?

        • Replies: @J.Ross
        >let's have unity against [nonexistant] Nazis
        >Not so fast -- you're the Nazi! We demand self-confession!
        Trump's foolish olive branch thrown right back in his face: hopefully Trump's foolishness is now overshadowed by the RESIST cult's brainlessness. Those hysterical children just got everything they had been asking for over years on a silver platter, and they threw a fit because it wasn't on a gold platter.
        , @HammerJack

        Is Dayton already memoryholed?
         
        No idea what you're talking about. Dayton?

        I searched all the major media outlets tonight and can assure you that absolutely nothing has happened in Dayton recently.

        If something had, there would be stories about it. But wait, did you mean El Paso? Because another one of Trump's jackbooted Nazi thugs went on a shooting spree, killing brown women and children, and of course trump went on tv to brag about it, like he always does.

        Are you interested in that story? Because I can tell you all about that one. How much time do you have?
      202. @Mike Zwick
        There were a lot of Mike Royko articles about white flight that would today be considered very racist, even though Mike was a liberal. One I remember was a woman who made her parents sell their home on Chicago's Garfield Boulevard, where they had lived for decades, due to the neighborhood changing. The woman's mom was very emotional about it and Mike went into all that neighborhood had that was now gone. The woman was expecting to hear from her mom but didn't. The woman went back to her parent's house to look for her and her mom was laying on the bed dead. Mike ended the article saying that although the coroner said that the mom died of a heart attack, she really died of a broken heart.

        My boyhood chum’s family stayed on Marshfield,in Chicago’s Back of the Yards, a very long time. They had at least one negro break in. They finally packed up their money and deserted the poor dear negroes who would have made a great community,but were forced to create a pos s-hole.

        Simon is a dirtbag. He’s a bloodsucking parasite. The Wire is garbage. Its ghetto porn for us white guys,but with a twist,as the blacks are portrayed as sort of Michael Corleone tragic figures. These arent real blacks ,who tend to be not very sympathetic criminals.
        Simon made a ton of money off the destruction of Baltimore;how much did he give back to his precious pets?

        • Replies: @HA
        "Simon is a dirtbag. He’s a bloodsucking parasite. The Wire is garbage. It's ghetto porn for us white guys,..."

        Simon was only one half of the team that created The Wire. Ed Burns was the other half. From his wiki page:

        Burns served in the infantry during the Vietnam War. He then served in the Baltimore Police Department for twenty years. When he worked in Homicide his partner was Detective Harry Edgerton, who would later become the basis for Frank Pembleton on the television series Homicide: Life on the Street.

        Following his retirement from the police force he became a teacher in the Baltimore public school system... He taught seventh and eight grade. Psychologically, he compared the experience of teaching to the Vietnam War...


        Burns was a producer, writer, and co-creator (also with Simon) of the HBO series The Wire. They originally set out to create a police drama loosely based on Burns' experiences working on protracted investigations of violent drug dealers...
         
      203. ‘Avalon’ depicts a move to the suburbs after the father is robbed and beaten outside the family department store. I haven’t seen it for a while so not sure how relevant it is here but worth a mention as it involves Baltimore and white flight. (IIRC the assailant is unspecified ethnic white and, as it is semiautobiographical film by Barry Levinson, family is Jewish)

      204. anonymous[253] • Disclaimer says:
        @Bigdicknick
        It's so frustrating how white flight is depicted as an irrational pathology that caused blacks to behave badly rather than a reasonable prediction that has been proven correct.

        Most of my boomer extended family members buy into this stuff. I wonder what the reaction would be if I asked them if they can name a single place on the planet where black governance works well.I think maybe the more introspective would be able to handle it, but most would react like a puritan being asked for scientific proof that witches exist.

        Barbados

      205. @El Dato
        OT

        The meedja landscape with the self-toxifying virtuous liberalism starts to become ... difficult.

        There is blood in the water.

        "NYT changes front-page mass shootings headline after backlash from Dem 2020 hopefuls"

        https://www.rt.com/usa/465918-nyt-headline-mass-shooting/

        Is Dayton already memoryholed?

        >let’s have unity against [nonexistant] Nazis
        >Not so fast — you’re the Nazi! We demand self-confession!
        Trump’s foolish olive branch thrown right back in his face: hopefully Trump’s foolishness is now overshadowed by the RESIST cult’s brainlessness. Those hysterical children just got everything they had been asking for over years on a silver platter, and they threw a fit because it wasn’t on a gold platter.

      206. @anonymous
        'Simon just wants to know: Why are white people so stupid that they can’t understand that the message of The Wire is: White People Are Bad? Why aren’t they intellectually sophisticated enough to grasp that complex concept?'

        It's like when Dave Chapelle stopped creating comedy because Whites were laughing for the wrong reasons... it is often alleged that Simon has an ulterior rightwing motive as regards The Wire by showing blacks uncomfortably close to how they really are (including the functional ones in the police) but it is forgotten that the forerunner of the show was the program The Corner which was about the junkies and not the dealers. This was filled with liberal sentimentalist pap also.

        'plays a (Jewish?) Con man'.

        It is based on Peter Rachman a holocaust survivor who intended to turn vast parts of (formerly-and now again-respectable since ~ 2000) west London into a slum in the mid 1950s not neccesarily for the commisions in sales but to do as all slum lords do-buy up valueable property on the cheap (Notting hill is a beautiful area now) and eventually make a huge profit. It worked spectacularly. Rachman died from a disease I cannot remember in the late 1960s but his properties went to other Jewish slum lords. He was being threatened by the kray twins and he gave them one of their famous clubs (although the krays were east-end and Rachman was west-end). For the record he used to treat his Jamaican tenants appalingly too. My grandfather was a hard drinking hard fighting Irishman who could kick any of the jamaican so called toughguys arses (and they knew it) so when they came over hassling him he just laughed at them. Rachman would cut off drinking water to black slum tenants that would not pay rent (as well as other illegal tactics) and my grandfather would throw the hosepipe over the fence for them (you can drink out of the hosepipe in England).

        Interestingly Hornby was accused of anti-semitism because he included three or four scenes clearly hostile to Jews that were not in the book though amazingly he has not been censored for it. Even the author of the original book thought they were a bit 'on the nose' (sorry couldnt help myself).

        We all know how Steve feels about his families experiences in Detroit and his wife's family experiences in Austin so yes it is amazing that there is not more depiction on screen. Mostly educational desegregation is depicted.

        but to do as all slum lords do-buy up valuable property on the cheap

        My mother grew up in the same neighborhood at the same time as Geraldine Ferraro. She would almost spit when mentioning her during the 1984 election– “She’s married to a slumlord!”

        (you can drink out of the hosepipe in England).

        Visions of George Michael just came to mind…

      207. @Futurethirdworlder
        In the Death Wish film series Paul Kersey repeatedly white flights from NYC to LA. Unsurprisingly it never works out.

        In the original Death Wish, Kersey’s wife and daughter are brutalized by punks led by a young Jeff Goldblum.

      208. It was pretty well established that the big brands of the mainstream (and new mainstream) media were in trouble, to include exposure of faked subscriptions, but the story goes that after their lack of credibility was starkly underscored in 2016 with the Trump victory, they clawed back market share by shamelessly pandering to one particular audience: Never Trumpers. When the NYT stupidly imagined that an unforced unconditional surrender from Trump would be greeted as good news, a certain number of Never Trumpers on Twitter said they would cancel their subscriptions. If Never Trumpism was their reason for subscribing, that’s not such an idle threat.

      209. @Anne
        Insight into the transformation of American cities is provided by "Culture Wars" editor E. Michael Jones's thick tome "The Slaughter of the Cities." Deliberate ethnic cleansing was conducted by the then WASP ruling class in alliance with others in order to bust up Catholic ethnic neighborhoods. The means used to bring about the break-up was the importation of southern blacks. Paul Blanshard sounded the tocsin back then: There was a real animus against city-dwelling Catholics who were becoming politically powerful because, unlike the Protestants, they did not use contraceptives. (The Protestants abandoned Christian doctrine concerning contraception at the Lambeth Conference in 1930.) And that is one of the principal reasons why the formerly great big American cities look like war happened there. Anti-Catholicism is the one respectable bigotry left in this country, and the country has suffered for it.

        For Jones, ‘conspiracy’ is his default explanation. Doesn’t require demonstration.

        • Replies: @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
        Glad to see you don't have an actual response to Mr. Jones's argument.
      210. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
        @Steve Richter
        it was their conclusion that a slave on those plantations could expect to be whipped about 7x over a period of 10 years.

        George Washington has over 300 slaves at Mount Vernon. And he was away fighting the revolution. There had to have been minimal coercion of the slaves in that type of setting. Kind of like if you act up you will be expelled and be on your own in a hostile world. Martha Washington was running the household. Hiring overseers would be expensive. Then, having to track down escaped slaves? There must have been arrangements of cooperation.

        There must have been arrangements of cooperation.

        What do you mean by “arrangements of cooperation”?

        Kind of like if you act up you will be expelled and be on your own in a hostile world.

        Have you ever seen any reports of something like this?

      211. I haven’t been able to get to 8chan in days. Their /newsplus/ page was a scattershot but invaluable headline aggregator, and the real target of the late censorious hysteria: stop people from being able to get the real news by connecting up distant local services.
        Good thing there won’t be any more violence (and, if there is, we’ll just censor it).

        • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
        What is the difference between 8chan and 4chan? And where did they get those weird names?
      212. Anonymous[279] • Disclaimer says:
        @Andrew
        This is frankly why I hated this show, despite watching it through my hatred, despite realizing it was very well written, well acted, and a gripping drama that was part of this whole new "golden age of television" that everyone was babbling about. And when the poseur conservative set that comment on film/TV liked it as much as the traditional TV critics, the leftist Tom Shales types-I'm looking at you, John Podhoretz-it made me hate it that much more. It was well done, but nowhere near as original and great a show as Breaking Bad. You just knew EXACTLY the kind of person Simon was from the show without needing any research on the matter. If only Washington and the American people cared more about the poor black underclass in Baltimore, perhaps something could be done. Because THEY can't do anything, the people who live there. That was taken for granted. But it is a tragedy and that's why we have this wonderful dark TV show.

        But it is a tragedy and that’s why we have this wonderful dark TV show.

        What is so wonderful about it?

      213. Kevin Purcell’s Philly War Zone is a good account of white flight.

      214. @anon
        It was called "Common Ground."

        Howard Stern did a skit on it (NSFW):

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRkUaMXnOjE

        anon[142]:

        Howard’s true blue liberal parents made their progeny attend Roosevelt Long Island’s public schools which were unmitigated black disasters. Howard was beaten up every day by his black school mates. It made him what he is today!

        • Replies: @Kibernetika
        There was indeed a documentary film or TV doc made about white flight from Roosevelt, NY, Long Island, although I can't find references to it at the moment. Perhaps it was was never released or it was memory-holed. My dad graduated from Roosevelt High ~1946, and a few decades later his fellow alumni were Eddie Murphy and Flava Flav.

        This paper purports to address the issues about racial disparities on LI, but it tends to support the stereotypes that it tries to dismiss, if read objectively.

        https://racialequitytools.org/resourcefiles/irp.pdf
      215. Complaining about white flight is just one long whine of, “Waah!!! They don’t like me enough to stick around!”

        Exactly. If you behaved better, whites would be okay with being your neighbor.

      216. @John Pepple
        I’m going to give a different take on white flight. The way my parents described it, there was a huge housing shortage after WWII. Here were all these young people who had delayed getting married and who had come back from the war ready and eager to start families, except that there was very little housing. The first few months of my life were spent in rooms that my parents rented from another couple who were lucky enough to have a house. Aunts and uncles were also renting at that time.

        Then apparently Congress did something that encouraged the building of new houses. My parents bought a new house in a development in the southwest corner of Minneapolis. We lived on a dead-end road, and there was a cornfield across the street. Ten years later, that cornfield was long gone, and we were no longer on the edge of town as there were endless miles of suburban ranch houses in the suburbs of Edina and Richfield. And our dead-end street became a busy street because it led to an enormous new mall, Southdale (the first of the indoor malls).

        White flight in the Fifties wasn’t flight from something, but to something, namely housing. I know of two works of fiction from that era that talk about the same conditions: a children’s book called Dig for a Treasure and a mystery called The Black Goatee. And for all I know there was black flight at the same time, since I assume that blacks were just as afflicted by the housing shortage as whites were. The difference is that they didn’t manage to get out to the suburbs the way that whites did.

        There was even white flight from my block, even though it was all whites. Maybe about a third of the families who moved in moved out after a few years because the houses were too small for their growing families, or because they could afford something fancier.

        I’m not going to deny that there were whites moving to escape blacks, but what I remember from the Fifties is the enormous number of new houses being built. Were there that many blacks around that whites needed to escape from? My parents and other relatives moved out of all-white neighborhoods that didn’t have any housing for them to neighborhoods that did. Blacks had nothing to do with their moving. Leftists have taken an unimportant factor in a giant movement of people to lay a guilt trip on the whites involved.

        Minneapolis had very few Blacks in 1940, and even today less than 20% of its population is Black. White Flight occurred in the northeastern and midwest cities when the Black population exceeded 20% starting around 1950.

        Blacks began migrating into Philadelphia during the first World War, which caused the Black population to triple between 1910 – 1940. In 1940 Blacks were 12% of the population of Philly, but not significant enough to cause White Flight yet…By 1950 Blacks were 20% of the population which is when white flight began to take off….

        Minneapolis has yet to be ethnically cleansed like Baltimore, Detroit, Newark and Philadelphia. Minneapolis is still 65% white and just 18% Black. White Flight starts when the Black population exceeds 20%….

      217. @Hamlet's Ghost
        There was a flick that featured a pre-meathead Rob Reiner in it.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfrD_C8cemI

        Yeah, I remember catching this on TV years ago. Here’s a scene that would never get made today:

        • Replies: @J.Ross
        That movie was nearly honest about what happens to a white kid at a black school, with the white kid being of all people young Jeff Bridges.
        , @Father O'Hara
        LOL! That's Rob Reiner,innit?
        , @Dtbb
        How many gables at the Delta House?
        https://youtu.be/MG7KCOO76Wc
        , @International Jew
        Wow, I'm surprised it could be made even in 1970. Reiner couldn't be too proud of it now.
        , @syonredux
        And if anyone tried to do the scene at 13 minutes in today (Black girls go on an anti-Becky rampage) , they would be permanently banned from Hollywood......


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH9AJ0X_Ibk
        , @Andrew
        Never even heard of that, wow. Holy Schnikes, are you right; NEVER in a million years would that get made today. The leftist SJWs, the white ones mainly, who are the largest devotees of that religion that we're all the same and everyone learns equally at the same pace, would have their whole religion shattered into a million pieces seeing that thing now, and would conclude racism was the only reason it aired. No one clings to their religion like white leftists cling to their religion.
        , @Kronos
        Nice video find!
      218. White flight would not exist if we had judges and juries on the side of the victims instead of the criminals, and criminals who were executed for serious crimes, or who had to stay in jail until they were old. Lousy enforcement of the laws created white flight.

      219. @syonredux
        Yeah, I remember catching this on TV years ago. Here's a scene that would never get made today:


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJPXdLg3UK4

        That movie was nearly honest about what happens to a white kid at a black school, with the white kid being of all people young Jeff Bridges.

      220. You lived in the Chicago area for a long time didn’t you Steve? You must be aware of Arthur Rubloff the biggest block buster of all. Starting in the 1940s the Rubkoff firm selected White neighborhoods. They’d but a small apartment house or a couple small homes and fill them with black thugs who terrorized the neighborhood.

        The Whites would flee. The blacks would flood in. Rubloff firm made money from the selling Whites and buying blacks. They kept some of the buildings and made tens of millions by collecting section 8 rent for their welfare Mamma tenants.

        The Arthur Rubloff firm is the reason the city of Chicago outlawed for sale signs on real estate.

      221. @eah
        Who do you think *owns* the press *runs* Hollywood? Hello.

        https://twitter.com/AoDespair/status/1057096160639369217

        I just don’t understand Twitter. Who talks to whom about what etc.

        Out of whose brain did that horrific mess crawl???? Useless recycled Web 2.0 dweebs.

        • Agree: Achmed E. Newman
      222. Birth Of A Nation

        The progenitor of all subsequent depictions

      223. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

        White flight in the Fifties wasn’t flight from something, but to something, namely housing.
         
        I'm going to propose that Minnesota wasn't typical of the urban North into which the Great Migration of blacks poured from the Deep South.

        I’m going to propose that Minnesota wasn’t typical of the urban North into which the Great Migration of blacks poured from the Deep South.

        The black population was small and stable. It was the grandchildren of the great wave to Chicago, Detroit, etc., that created “Murderapolis” in the early 1990s. Somalis and other Africans came at the same time, and looked good in comparison.

        Covenants were used on Jews more than blacks.

      224. @Oswald Spengler
        I always thought mook was another word for henchman or lackey...like a villainous boss and his band of hired mooks.

        “I don’t know what they told you, but I’m not a mook”

      225. What connection is there between slumlordism and leftism? Is the ideology of the latter formed by the former? Can anyone notice any patterns in this list of the worst NY landlords:
        https://landlordwatchlist.com/landlords

        • Replies: @PV van der Byl
        The sort of people that live in slums almost invariably vote for left of center political parties. Slumlords then pay off whoever they have to in City Hall to bend the rules for themselves. Ideological affinity doesn't have much to do with it except for a shared enthusiasm for "transactional" politics.
      226. Anonymous[430] • Disclaimer says:
        @David In TN
        The name of the cop murdered in the July 1967 Plainfield, NJ riots was John Gleason.

        Officer Gleason was slandered by douchebag leftist lawyer William Kunstler who defended the scum who murdered him. Only two in a mob of twenty were successfully prosecuted, and though convicted, the co-killers ended up serving paltry sentences. Officer Gleason’s younger daughter, who was two months old at the time of his murder, grew up to be a NJ county prosecutor.

        https://www.odmp.org/officer/5490-patrolman-john-vincent-gleason-jr

        • Replies: @Corn
        I remember Kunstler. No tears shed here when he died.
      227. Edgar Rice Burroughs (I believe) wrote a story where an American man goes to Europe after a few years of America having heard nothing from Europe, and finds that everyone is living in the stone age after some cataclysmic war. Eventually, at the end of the story, they meet the Chinese marching West, representing the return of order.

        There is the seed of a really great sci-fi movie or miniseries there. I would change it a bit, make it a Japanese or Chinese team looking to find out what happened to the last Europeans, while simultaneously admiring European accomplishments, like music and art.

        I think it is a really great idea, but I don’t know if even the Japanese would be willing to make it. Probably too much blowback. But it would be so original, since nobody makes movies like that.

      228. @Bugg
        David Simon made his whole career and fortune on 2 TV series about Baltimore's inner city largely African-American dysfunction. And now tells tells us the problem is evil white people all along.Also, he decries blockbusting. So realtors who brokered panicky white people's home sales to new African-American home buyers were the whole problem? As with Chetty, the African-American community have no agency nor responsibility, simply jellyfish floating in a sea of white racism shaping their every action.

        Saw flight 1st and 2nd hand in Brooklyn in the 1960s and 70s. How many times does a family member have to get beat up or robbed or had a car broken into or worse before making a sensible decision to leave a neighborhood is not racist?

        Irony is many of the neighborhoods in Brooklyn white people abandoned in the 1950s, 60s and 70s are being recolonized by hipster white trust funders from elsewhere. But that was preceded by Guiliani and then Bloomberg supporting the police. Going to be interesting how that goes with 8 years of Diblasio and probably another liberal idiot after him.

        David Simon made his whole career and fortune on 2 TV series about Baltimore’s inner city largely African-American dysfunction. And now tells tells us the problem is evil white people all along.

        Nailed it.

        Jew, who has made a packet off fictionalizing black dysfunction, blames the white gentiles fleeing it … for causing it! … all the while living off in some tony district removed from black crime and disorder. He belongs in some Jewish hall of fame.

        ~~

        It’s not even worth arguing about Jewish hatreds, resentments, propaganda anymore. Everyday, columns and articles and Hollyweird propaganda and a million tweets. Simon hates my people, because his people refused to integrate with us–or very distant relatives to the east–for 1000 years and that–predictably–did not generate warm feelings in return. Ok!

        But why should we tolerate this continual abuse? Simon refuses to do the honorable thing–clear out of my nation and make aliyah. So can’t we just separate? Separate nations.

        Simon can enjoy a rainbow hued utopia free of us racist, white-flighting gentiles. His side should have Baltimore. And Simon, himself, could start reversing white-flight by moving into one of Baltimore’s vibrant neighborhoods that is the source of his loot and in the process show dumb ass hayseed whiteys like me that “diversity is our greatest strength”.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        You seem like a reasonable, intelligent person most of the time but you have a bug up your ass about "the Jews". This is not "your nation", it's not Simon's nation, it belongs to all Americans (even Americans with dual loyalty or even dual citizenship, not that describes most Jews in America). It even belongs to Americans who work day and night for the destruction of the goyim, not that that is what Simon really intends. Simon isn't going anywhere no matter how much you don't like him - his claim on America is just as good as yours.
        , @Vinteuil
        The whole point of The Wire was to provide lefty white folk with the imaginary experience of cool black friends they'd love to hang out with.
        , @Hail

        Jew, who has made a packet off fictionalizing black dysfunction, blames the white gentiles fleeing it … for causing it!
         
        The Poles had a saying; I choose to not quote it in full, but it included the words: "...cries out in pain as he strikes you."
        , @Bardon Kaldian
        I don't know about Simon (his public pronouncements are usually liberally stupid). And I don't care about him. Just, my opinion about his TV work is:

        1. "Homicide: Life on the Streets" was one of the greatest shows, a true creative masterpiece. But, it was "art TV". Not realistic in ordinary sense of the word, cops being, many of them, existentialist philosophers or tormented spiritual questers after the meaning of life. So, this show had only partial documentary value & in what was worth, as a work of art TV, was a creation of Tom Fontana & his crew, not Simon. Simon was, actually, dissatisfied because he is basically journalist-reporter, not a visual artist interested in complex psychologies. Blacks figured prominently in H:LotS & were portrayed as full human beings.

        2. "The Wire" was more of a documentary TV show & it was Simon's show. This show was essentially an exercise in sociology through a journalist's eyes. I didn't watch "Wire" closely, but I found a few themes or "messages" in it, and my reaction was: I felt revulsion toward blacks because they were depicted as cartoonish human garbage; I found the story-line about smart black run operation absolutely unbelievable because blacks are not intelligent enough to mastermind anything so complex (and unnecessary) at that level; some characters, like gay black Robin Hood Omar were totally absurd & unreal, plus odious; the whole Baltimore was rendered as a cesspool & I don't think that any normal white, Asian, ... would want anything else than nuke the whole damn shithole.

        I can't decipher Simon's world-view in that show. In his pronouncements, he is evidently a zombie liberal. But his chief oeuvre reeks of fatalism, desperation & disgust. As for Jewish angle, I haven't seen his Jews as anything different; his whites (mostly Catholics) are also ordinary 2-dimensional people with ethnic (Irish, Polish, Italian) ties, while blacks are unbelievable, absurd- yet, I suspect, Simon harbors secret fascination with them & sees them as both vital primitives & victims of whole "capitalist" machinery; just brutal everyday reality leaves the stench of blackness as something essentially criminal & parasitic (with, of course, a few exceptions).

        With regard to the topic: I don't think that any truly controversial & painful social, cultural etc. issue was covered in American cinema, which tends to idealize everything (believers in 2nd chance). French, German, Italian...cinema are slightly more realist, but not much more.
      229. @Art Deco
        "They ran with the $$$"

        Someone needs to point out to this person that there are five counties in Maryland less affluent than Baltimore City and a couple others which are only a shade more affluent. (Maryland has 24 counties). The homicide rate (per the Maryland State Police) has averaged over the last 15 years somewhere between 2 per 100,000 and 5.5 per 100,000 in those seven counties. In Baltimore City, the mean has been north of 42 per 100,000.

        The State of Maryland could distribute general revenue to the counties and school districts according to formulae which had as arguments, total population, school age population, and the difference in personal income per capita between the most affluent county and a given county. That would create a riser to stand on for the more impecunious counties and school districts. They all could then fill out their revenue stream with local taxes. That might have been helpful for Baltimore City authorities, provided they didn't piss the money away with corrupt practices (such as featherbedding, widespread placement of patronage bozos, opaque and inflated employee compensation, rigged bidding on public contracts, &c). It would not have repaired Baltimore's problems, because public authorities in Maryland in general and Baltimore City in particular have never demonstrated any interest in doing that.

        AD, you’re making important points, here, but, seriously, you need to dumb it down a bit.

        The State of Maryland could distribute general revenue to the counties and school districts according to formulae which had as arguments, total population, school age population, and the difference in personal income per capita between the most affluent county and a given county. That would create a riser to stand on for the more impecunious counties and school districts.

        I mean, who, here, besides me, made it past “formulae?”

        • Replies: @Alden
        It means the wealthier White counties give their tax money to ; or more realistically, flush their tax money down the black Baltimore sewers.

        Money solves many problems. It doesn’t solve all problems. And it doesn’t solve any problems that involve blacks and their dysfunctional towns.
      230. @Ancient Briton
        In the same vein: The Flight of the Phoenix (1965) - Jimmy Stewart et al 99.44/100% White.

        In the same vein: The Flight of the Phoenix (1965) – Jimmy Stewart et al 99.44/100% White.

        If they made that today, not only would the cast have to be multiracial, but the aircraft model building genius would have to be a black lesbian with ethnic hair style.

        • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
        Flight of the Phoenix got remade in 2004 with a somewhat diverse cast. I watched it on DVD because Hugh Laurie was in it. It wasn't terrible, but it lost boatloads of money.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_of_the_Phoenix_(2004_film)
      231. Not sure it’s about white flight per se, but David Chase’s upcoming Sopranos prequel about the Newark riots is looking to be a blast.

      232. @istevefan

        ...just frightened whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line. They didn’t flee slums. They ran with the $$$
         
        First, the use of word fear to shame Whites. They fled because they were afraid is akin to some sort of elementary school argument. If fear is not a good reason to flee, then we should immediately shut down our immigration and asylum system ASAP since those people are leaving their homelands due to fear. Fear apparently is no longer a valid reason to flee.

        Second, he mentions that they ran with the $$$ as if those $$$ belonged to everyone but those who had them. However, since he is considering those $$$ as communal property, would he say the same about immigrants who flee their lands and head here? Are they not taking the $$$ or Pesos or whatever out of their local economy? Don't we even offer a crazy immigration category that grants status to anyone who brings a million dollars or so of assets with them? That would be the very thing in which he lambastes Whites.

        Third, if White flight is bad because it leaves behind a less capable area, then does he have a similar complaint about middle class blacks who leave behind poorer blacks? What about the best and brightest of the developing world leaving with all their talent for the West?

        Second, he mentions that they ran with the $$$ as if those $$$ belonged to everyone but those who had them.

        It could be code for ‘magic dirt’.

      233. Anonymous[430] • Disclaimer says:
        @prime noticer
        has there ever been a realistic movie about LA and the mexican takeover? you know, how LA doesn't look like a 1960s surfer, valley girl paradise anymore, and hasn't for decades?

        almost every movie about LA still portrays it as one of the greatest cities in the world. it's actually a third world dump, with crushing traffic.

        i know, i know, there were a few. Colors, Falling Down, and so forth. since so very many movies are based in LA. but it's rare.

        the average person who has never been to California and learns everything they know from watching movies still thinks it's the Beach Boys out there.

        most inaccurate idea for decades now: LA has a lot of hot women. no, not really. it has millions of short ugly third world trolls.

        most inaccurate idea for decades now: LA has a lot of hot women. no, not really. it has millions of short ugly third world trolls.

        Your comment made me smile. I emigrated to CA from the east coast over thirty years ago. When my elderly WWII vet uncle came to visit me in the late ‘90s, I recall his reaction when we drove along the SF Embarcadero: “Where are all the beautiful women?” he asked. I didn’t have the heart to tell him his brave service in defense of the American people was all for nothing, now that the American people had been replaced by Amerindian people.

      234. OT: Have a look at the hymn of praise to the New York Times that Anand Giridharadas sings in a series of tweets. He’s trying to talk the choir out of cancelling their subscriptions because of one dispassionate headline concerning Trump and the mass shootings:

      235. Ed says:
        @Art Deco
        Stanley Engerman and a co-author put together some data on the use of coercion from a set of plantation records they studied. IIRC, it was their conclusion that a slave on those plantations could expect to be whipped about 7x over a period of 10 years.

        George Washington did a time series study of his plantation. He found that the slaves worked harder when he was there, then when he was away. He also had quite a few runaways. He concluded the system was inefficient. Martha was so fearful that her slaves would kill her due to George’s will freeing many of them upon his death that she freed them herself.

        Slavery wasn’t a good system.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
        Slavery wasn’t a good system.

        Compared to what?
        , @Jack D
        This is a little garbled. Under Washington's will, the slaves were to be freed on MARTHA's death and they knew it. Martha was therefore fearful that the slaves might want to speed up their liberation a little bit by offing her. Who could blame them? So she let them go early to take away that incentive.
        , @Laurence Whelk

        Slavery wasn’t a good system.
         
        A (perhaps understandable) shortsighted strategy that imported the poison pill that will eventually eat the body from the inside out - like a bankruptcy, slowly and then all-of-a-sudden.
      236. @istevefan

        ...just frightened whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line. They didn’t flee slums. They ran with the $$$
         
        First, the use of word fear to shame Whites. They fled because they were afraid is akin to some sort of elementary school argument. If fear is not a good reason to flee, then we should immediately shut down our immigration and asylum system ASAP since those people are leaving their homelands due to fear. Fear apparently is no longer a valid reason to flee.

        Second, he mentions that they ran with the $$$ as if those $$$ belonged to everyone but those who had them. However, since he is considering those $$$ as communal property, would he say the same about immigrants who flee their lands and head here? Are they not taking the $$$ or Pesos or whatever out of their local economy? Don't we even offer a crazy immigration category that grants status to anyone who brings a million dollars or so of assets with them? That would be the very thing in which he lambastes Whites.

        Third, if White flight is bad because it leaves behind a less capable area, then does he have a similar complaint about middle class blacks who leave behind poorer blacks? What about the best and brightest of the developing world leaving with all their talent for the West?

        Second, he mentions that they ran with the $$$ as if those $$$ belonged to everyone but those who had them.

        As usual, great stuff ISF.

        It’s not just $$$–David Simon has lots of $$$, but those are Jewish $$$. Not the same.

        In the minoritarian narrative whites themselves are the communal property. Whites must present themselves for access by any minorites. Whites keeping to themselves–worst case scenario in a country club–is racism! Whites interacting with minorities and either acting like they are in white western culture or doing well is “white privilege” and “structural racism”.

        White peoples’ job is to be exploitable by minorities. Provide a market for Jews (and other middle man minorities) to exploit. Provide taxes for NAM welfare. Provide a more prosperous and law-abiding nation for immigrants to come to. Provide a safer neighborhood for minorities fleeing other minorities. Provide crime victims for blacks to victimize. And most of all … provide a group everyone else can blame.

        • Agree: Alden, ben tillman
        • Replies: @El Dato
        Some providers protesting that they are allowed to own guns (looks like a small group of people with various physical disabilities though)

        Protesters threaten to stab Mitch McConnell outside his home (VIDEO)

        Not much up, but it's rather Ghandi-esque.
        , @Whiskey
        Donald Trump wants the death penalty for a comment like that. Remember that. And Trump is the least radical. Looks like he's going to be impeached and convicted before the Summer is out.

        President Harris she has more ... convincing ideas. She finds your lack of enthusiasm for diversity... disturbing.

        You and Steve and the rest have this idea that America exists or that it can be saved.

        It can't. This is the global hotel for the third world. You are here to provide money and work for the new captains. Look at them!

        There is no act or group of acts that can change that. The die was set during Clintons time. You are just like me a despised and discriminated White person who are masters do not even wish to continue to exist.

        It is our job to survive. Period. Our nation is dead never to return. Abandon hopium for the crack that it is. Get ready for a nationwide gun seizure with cops and military kicking down every White mans door but not any person of color. Get ready for all sorts of reparations and more.

        It is our duty to our families and heritage to survive. Everything else is bs.

        They are the captain now.
        , @J.Ross
        This.
        , @Alden
        All White goyim money is stolen from virtuous persons of color. All Jewish money is honestly earned by intelligence and hard work.
        , @istevefan
        Yes, it definitely appears Whites are some sort of livestock to be used by others. Notice how they call everything White supremacy when in reality most of these people making the news are more than likely White separatists. There is a difference. Consider the Amish who choose to live separately from the rest of us. They have their own communities, churches and schools. But they still interact with the wider world by selling us their agricultural produce and furniture. I doubt the Amish are supremacists, but they definitely seem to want to live among themselves.

        Ditto for most of the people expressing what the media deems as White supremacy. But since we are to be used as some sort of livestock for the benefit of others, separatism is just as bad as supremacy to the media. And since the supremacist name has a negative connotation, they conflate it with separatism.
        , @Olorin
        Well put, A-Dad, and 1000% accurate in my experience.

        I keep coming back to this...phenomenon...in my own mind. The only comparable thing I can think of, to try to understand it experientially, is the experience of being the brightest kid in my public school classes by far.

        (Till my parents pulled me out of there. The rapid negroization of my neighborhood meant that I got assigned in 5th and 6th grades to the better and whiter elementary school up the hill--only 50% black! But 7th grade would have sent me to the junior high down in the 95% black end of town and 9th to the high school that already in 1972 had armed guards in the halls, prison-style architecture, regular riots and arsons, and ghastly levels of violence against the few white kids.)

        The unifying element is a widespread recognition that whites create, embody, and represent something that everyone else wants--or anyway they want the results of what we create. The Little Red Hen syndrome. Except that even in that little folk tale, the lazy animals don't then come in and murder the Little Red Hen, and steal, or simply destroy, her bread. Then kill her and burn down her house. Then immortalize her as a demon for having invited them to share in the making of the bread and its eating.

        But even that doesn't work well for them. Remember what happened when Alan (Mr. Andrea Mitchell) Greenspan decided that we needed "democratization" of the housing market, so set things up to hand out a mortgage to anyone who could fog a mirror? And then we all learned, to our immense surprise, that individuals who can't even maintain or manage a one-bedroom apartment, or a car, or a marriage, or checkbook, or their table at McDonald's, can't be expected to maintain and manage a house and mortgage?

        Which was OK, because then TARP Bush and ARRA Obama rewarded various miscreants with a trillion or so bucks skimmed from our balance sheets/kids' futures.

        $1.8 billion of which went to Elijah Cummings' district--and if I recall correctly, some $425 million of that went to the ZIP code (21202) that included the city council district (7) then represented by State's Attorney Marilyn Mosby's husband Nick Mosby. You know, the district where that whole Freddie Gray unpleasantness unfolded.

        Thing is? If they hadn't gone out of their way to scapegoat us, s--t talk us, and abuse us? We'd likely still be at pre-Trayvon levels of sleepwalking. Nice white people, voting for Obama's second term.
      237. @syonredux
        Yeah, I remember catching this on TV years ago. Here's a scene that would never get made today:


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJPXdLg3UK4

        LOL! That’s Rob Reiner,innit?

      238. @prime noticer
        has there ever been a realistic movie about LA and the mexican takeover? you know, how LA doesn't look like a 1960s surfer, valley girl paradise anymore, and hasn't for decades?

        almost every movie about LA still portrays it as one of the greatest cities in the world. it's actually a third world dump, with crushing traffic.

        i know, i know, there were a few. Colors, Falling Down, and so forth. since so very many movies are based in LA. but it's rare.

        the average person who has never been to California and learns everything they know from watching movies still thinks it's the Beach Boys out there.

        most inaccurate idea for decades now: LA has a lot of hot women. no, not really. it has millions of short ugly third world trolls.

        “the average person who has never been to California and learns everything they know from watching movies still thinks it’s the Beach Boys out there”

        Some tourists (especially Japanese/Chinese) come to London expecting to find bowler-hatted City types (they were pretty rare by the mid-80s) and cheerful Cockneys.

        Last week some French tourists at Tate Modern had their child chucked off a viewing platform by a 17 year old who seemed to be copying that mall attack in the US. Kid’s alive but pretty ill.

        • Replies: @David In TN
        He probably had never heard of the mall attack in the US. He just did what came naturally.
      239. @AnotherDad

        David Simon made his whole career and fortune on 2 TV series about Baltimore’s inner city largely African-American dysfunction. And now tells tells us the problem is evil white people all along.
         
        Nailed it.

        Jew, who has made a packet off fictionalizing black dysfunction, blames the white gentiles fleeing it ... for causing it! ... all the while living off in some tony district removed from black crime and disorder. He belongs in some Jewish hall of fame.

        ~~

        It's not even worth arguing about Jewish hatreds, resentments, propaganda anymore. Everyday, columns and articles and Hollyweird propaganda and a million tweets. Simon hates my people, because his people refused to integrate with us--or very distant relatives to the east--for 1000 years and that--predictably--did not generate warm feelings in return. Ok!

        But why should we tolerate this continual abuse? Simon refuses to do the honorable thing--clear out of my nation and make aliyah. So can't we just separate? Separate nations.

        Simon can enjoy a rainbow hued utopia free of us racist, white-flighting gentiles. His side should have Baltimore. And Simon, himself, could start reversing white-flight by moving into one of Baltimore's vibrant neighborhoods that is the source of his loot and in the process show dumb ass hayseed whiteys like me that "diversity is our greatest strength".

        You seem like a reasonable, intelligent person most of the time but you have a bug up your ass about “the Jews”. This is not “your nation”, it’s not Simon’s nation, it belongs to all Americans (even Americans with dual loyalty or even dual citizenship, not that describes most Jews in America). It even belongs to Americans who work day and night for the destruction of the goyim, not that that is what Simon really intends. Simon isn’t going anywhere no matter how much you don’t like him – his claim on America is just as good as yours.

        • Replies: @XYZ (no Mr.)
        I know this was somewhat mentioned a few days ago, dealing with the Somalian president, but how exactly do we have dual citizenship again?

        I can see an American-born individual taking on citizenship somewhere else, because they never voluntarily swore an oath here. I don't like it but there it is. (I think the IRS should make leaving easier.)

        But I don't know how naturalized citizens can be dual citizens. It literally makes the oath of allegiance worthless.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(United_States)

        So no, America doesn't belong to someone like that as much as it does to me. And the only reason it's allowed is because people have not pushed back enough. I think that time is coming.
        , @Art Deco
        Mr. Simon would benefit from a better attitude.

        While we're at it, dual citizenship should simply not be recognized in this country. If someone's a passive holder of foreign citizenship (e.g. Ted Cruz's Canadian citizenship) that's not much of an issue. However, the moment someone runs for office, obtains a government job, or obtains a law license, it should be legally required that he sign a formal statement renouncing his foreign citizenship, cc to the nearest consulate.
        , @William Badwhite
        Jack you changed the subject in the middle of your comment. Should AnotherDad have a "bug up his ass" about the Jews or not? Whether Simon or whoever has a "claim on America" is irrelevant.

        Staying on topic, should us goyim just disregard the simmering ethnic hatred coming from the Simons', the Boot's, the Bret Stephen's, the Erdeley's, the execrable Sontag's? Should we pretend its coming from just other white people, same as the rest of us? If so maybe they shouldn't preface so many sentences with "as a Jew" if they're trying to blend in.

        Would you also recommend your co-ethnics dial it back a bit, perhaps remind them America has treated them pretty well and that maybe even the more good-willed goyim are noticing the bottomless hatred? Your comments are generally "reasonable and intelligent" but I can't recall a single one where you say something along the lines of "that Jew is really being a bigoted asshole".

        You said yourself that AD seems reasonable and intelligent. I would think that if reasonable and intelligent people are starting to conclude "I don't hate Jews, but they sure seem to hate me", that might concern the reasonable and intelligent among the Jews. Nobody can say what the future holds, but it seems like putting such effort into making enemies out of the only ethnic group in our wonderful multi-ethnic stew that, on balance, really likes you people might be a bad idea. Just my $0.02.
        , @J.Ross
        This is obviously wrong, this is a cartoon lawyer reasoning. Given two major shareholders with equal and uncontested ownership, one of whom wants the company to do well, and one of whom is ranting about how the company screwed him over years ago and how he will get his revenge by completely destroying its every asset, there is obviously to anyone a disqualification of ownership which comes before whatever the law says and whatever the contracts say. Without any concern for survival we get a version of Joseph Conrad's Nostromo obsession where the steward hands the goods over to the bad guys, instead of either preserving them or destroying them, we get abdication. For reasons that are below your reasoning you're not allowed to ask for abdication.
        , @ben tillman

        You seem like a reasonable, intelligent person most of the time but you have a bug up your ass about “the Jews”. This is not “your nation”, it’s not Simon’s nation, it belongs to all Americans (even Americans with dual loyalty or even dual citizenship, not that describes most Jews in America).
         
        He has a "bug up his ass about the Jews" because "the Jews" disagree with your apologetic claim.

        Organized Jewry does not believe that whites have any ownership interest in the country (or even themselves).
        , @Anonymous

        This is not “your nation”, it’s not Simon’s nation, it belongs to all Americans (even Americans with dual loyalty or even dual citizenship, not that describes most Jews in America). It even belongs to Americans who work day and night for the destruction of the goyim, not that that is what Simon really intends. Simon isn’t going anywhere no matter how much you don’t like him – his claim on America is just as good as yours.
         
        The same applies to "Israel." The claims of Muslim and Christians on the land are just as good (or better) than claims by Jews. Yet Jews insist on calling it a "Jewish State."
        , @Bardon Kaldian
        Some time ago I wrote a longish piece on the topic. Well, for what is worth....

        First- there is no Grand Jewish Conspiracy against white race or Christianity, this is rubbish. Most people here are deluded conspiracy aficionados.

        American Jews, most of them, have their roots in Russian Empire (they’ve swamped earlier, more “European” German Jewish immigrants). They have retained their national culture (Yiddish, written in Hebrew script), numerous dietary laws & other customs. In short, US got mostly unassimilated ghetto Jews.

        Due to their work ethics, culture, slightly higher IQ & ethnic networking, they thrived in the US in various areas & became very influential. From early 1900s to, perhaps, Six Days War in 1967, most of them tried to assimilate & become virtually indistinguishable from WASPs.

        But then, things changed & many US Jews had recovered their primary ethnic-cultural identity as Jews first. Because this is a sensitive issue, there is no profusion of reliable sociological investigation data, graphs, categorizations. Just, as a rule of thumb, we can divide Jewish Americans into a few
        categories:

        1. JINOs. Many US “Jews” are assimilated & don’t think of themselves as Jews primarily. They account for anything between 20% and 50%.

        2. secular & religious Jews who possess partial Jewish identity, but for them it is blended with broader American loyalty. It is hard to tell how many people belong to this category.

        3. religious Orthodox Jews who may be annoying as neighbors, but are not too politically minded.

        4. the last segment would be American Jews (as different from Jewish Americans). They can be secular or religious; rich or poor; intensity of their commitment to Israel or Jewish ethnic activism may vary, but they are basically cultural aliens in US & Europe. For secularists, Auschwitz & Israel have replaced Torah & Talmud as chief emotional anticorrosives that shield them from assimilation.

        My guess is that they are somewhere between 15% and 25% of all US Jews. This segment can be further divided into subsegments (for instance, some are anti-Christian, while others are not). But, what is common to them is their clear differentiation from host national cultures, stubborn insistence on their ethnic-national individuality & a sense of being an “endangered species”. Some subsegments of this portion of American Jews are true aliens in the US & through their ethnic activism, frequently masked as moral universalism, try to subvert dominant cultural values & change host society into a shapeless mess.

        This is a minority of Jewish Americans, but they have economic, societal, cultural & political impact by far surpassing their numbers. And they seem not to learn from history: Brazilian Jews, because of slow but inevitable future collapse of multiracial Brazilian society are just trying to “get out”. Jewish elites, across the world, are still in thrall to Nazi-Aryan iconography & mythology as the central threat to their existence, while the world has moved past it long ago.

        In this, last portion of Jewish Americans one can find typical traits of cultural alienation, ethnic paranoia, “us” vs. “them” mentality, ..basically, a sense of being a perpetual stranger who wants to shape the dominant discourse & identity in order to avoid- in their eyes- future pogroms & genocide. Because in the fevered mind of pathological Jewish nationalists, Europeans & whites, virtually all of them, possess the inner Nazi screaming to get out & finally finalize the Final Solution.

        Jews in the US are generally correctly described by Lawrence Auster, and I think he got them right 80-90% (where I disagree with him are some subtle points where I’m “softer” on them than he was): http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/024334.html

        Then- I don’t think that attacks on Jews in the US & Europe by coalition of various fringe-coloreds-and-lunatics will change their attitudes. The reason is not that some big Jewish moneyed elites don’t care for little Shlomo, but in, mostly, two factors:

        a) modern Western Jews are more progressives than Jews. They’ll die taking selfies with Afro-Muslims bludgeoning them to death, cuz it’s kewl.

        b) ethnically aware Jews are still in thrall of Nazi blonde beast & Auschwitz, so they coined the term Islamo-Fascism which is a laughable nonsense, if only because European right wingers & blood-and-soil extremists viscerally hate all blacks & browns, even more than their relatively bleached & integrated Semitic cousins of yore. So, out of cognitive dissonance- and not from some grand strategic plan- most Jews in Europe & North America are still hypnotized by imaginary Nazi Aryan threat & refuse to see growing hatred among blacks, browns & Muslims even when it happens before their eyes.

        They remind me of a story about an oncologist who got terminal cancer (a true story, not an anecdote). He knew his diagnosis & prognosis, but some of his colleagues tried to dissuade him, claiming that he had only benign tumor. So they tried a trick: they switched his tissue with some benign tumor specimen & invited him to see it under microscope to see for himself he’s not terminally ill.

        Yet, they bungled the whole operation & put his real tissue under the microscope.

        After looking at it, he, the specialist & soon to be a corpse, turned in his chair, beaming: You were right. It’s benign.

        Such is the power of self-deception.
        , @Neil Templeton

        It even belongs to Americans who work day and night for the destruction of the goyim, not that that is what Simon really intends.
         
        How can a culture belong to those who work day and night to destroy integral components of the culture? How does this work, Jack?
        , @Anon

        but you have a bug up your ass about “the Jews”
         
        Go run your interference for obvious and well-known perpetrators somewhere else.

        it belongs to all Americans (even Americans with dual loyalty or even dual citizenship,
         
        LOL. No it does not, you virtue signalling coward.

        You just erased our national borders by intertwining this nation's ownership with those who have formal foreign allegiance.

        not that describes most Jews in America.
         
        What is this, obvious lie day? You don't know the first thing about Judaism if you honestly believe that Jews do not have dual loyalty (in actuality, single loyalty to Jews). That's the entire premise of their religion, moron.
      240. @AnotherDad

        David Simon made his whole career and fortune on 2 TV series about Baltimore’s inner city largely African-American dysfunction. And now tells tells us the problem is evil white people all along.
         
        Nailed it.

        Jew, who has made a packet off fictionalizing black dysfunction, blames the white gentiles fleeing it ... for causing it! ... all the while living off in some tony district removed from black crime and disorder. He belongs in some Jewish hall of fame.

        ~~

        It's not even worth arguing about Jewish hatreds, resentments, propaganda anymore. Everyday, columns and articles and Hollyweird propaganda and a million tweets. Simon hates my people, because his people refused to integrate with us--or very distant relatives to the east--for 1000 years and that--predictably--did not generate warm feelings in return. Ok!

        But why should we tolerate this continual abuse? Simon refuses to do the honorable thing--clear out of my nation and make aliyah. So can't we just separate? Separate nations.

        Simon can enjoy a rainbow hued utopia free of us racist, white-flighting gentiles. His side should have Baltimore. And Simon, himself, could start reversing white-flight by moving into one of Baltimore's vibrant neighborhoods that is the source of his loot and in the process show dumb ass hayseed whiteys like me that "diversity is our greatest strength".

        The whole point of The Wire was to provide lefty white folk with the imaginary experience of cool black friends they’d love to hang out with.

        • Agree: R.G. Camara
        • Replies: @Corvinus
        "The whole point of The Wire was to provide lefty white folk with the imaginary experience of cool black friends they’d love to hang out with."

        You haven't been NOTICING. Gen Z, for example, is notorious for black-white-Asian-Indian (feather, dot)-other relationships and friendships. And "white folk" regardless of their ideology hang out socially with people of color, whether at work, at sportsball, or a watering hole.

        Anecdotally, in my neighborhood, we have a good mix of people. I don't have to worry about lil' Abdul throwing molotov cocktails or lil' Dre' jack my ride.
        , @AceDeuce
        LOL. I call that the "Negro Petting Zoo".
      241. @Ed
        George Washington did a time series study of his plantation. He found that the slaves worked harder when he was there, then when he was away. He also had quite a few runaways. He concluded the system was inefficient. Martha was so fearful that her slaves would kill her due to George’s will freeing many of them upon his death that she freed them herself.

        Slavery wasn’t a good system.

        Slavery wasn’t a good system.

        Compared to what?

      242. @Autochthon

        [New York City] has a lot of its powers delegated to [the] state....
         
        What in the Hell are you on about? New York City exists at the pleasure of the state of New York (like every city does in its respective state). The federal government and the fifty states are sovereigns. Cities, counties, school districts, and similar subdivisions of states exist entirely at those states' discretion. If the legislature in Albany took the appropriate steps tomorrow (which, depending upon the details about home rule in New York I don't know or care about, may have to include an amendment to their constitution), they could dissolve the city of New York outright.

        In any event, the city of New York may have an arrangement with the state of New York whereby the state retains certain powers more commonly delegated by the state to cities elsewhere, but the city of New York sure as Hell is not "delegating a lot of its powers" to the state of New York any more than somewhere a corporal is "delegating a lot of his authority" to his commanding officer.

        Here's some light reading for you.

        Of course, de facto there has been no rule of law for an age in the F.U.S.A., so, just as the federal government bullies states with impunity, perhaps now cities are the masters of states. Such perverse rule of the creature over its creator would not surprise me, especially in the contexts of cancerous, domineering megalopoli like Chicago, New York, and Boston. Maybe that was your point?

        Sometimes big and even not so big cities de facto rule. Sometimes the state rules. It depends on the cities and states.

        Since 1850 San Francisco’s ruled California. Right now, . 2 senators, speaker of the US house, of representatives 30 year speaker of the California Assembly governors, present governor Newsom Brown was governor 16 years.

        For a few decades it looked as though S California would become equal to San Francisco and N California. But then in the late 1950s NASA located in Mountain View and Silicon Valley was born. The power went back to San Francisco N California and will stay there until the tech business moves elsewhere.

        The San Francisco Democrat’s rule California. Los Angeles S California Democrats are just the donors.

        Corrupt Chicago rules Illinois. NYC rules New York State.

        It’s not all states. Looney left Seattle and Microsoft don’t rule Washington State. Yet
        But the farmers and ranchers keep flooding the state with Hispanic Indian farm workers. In a few decades the farm workers kids and grandchildren will be voting. The Hispanics will ally with looney left Seattle. And Seattle will rule.

        Detroit Atlanta and St Louis don’t rule their states and won’t in the foreseeable future. Atlanta’s an economic leader. But those 3 cities are just too black and dis functional to rule their states. Pennsylvania rules. Not Philadelphia or Pittsburg.

        It all depends on the state and how black and dysfunctional the big cities are. Colorado doesn’t rule Colorado. Ohio, not its biggest city rules. It all depends.

        • Agree: Autochthon
      243. @AnotherDad

        Second, he mentions that they ran with the $$$ as if those $$$ belonged to everyone but those who had them.
         
        As usual, great stuff ISF.

        It's not just $$$--David Simon has lots of $$$, but those are Jewish $$$. Not the same.

        In the minoritarian narrative whites themselves are the communal property. Whites must present themselves for access by any minorites. Whites keeping to themselves--worst case scenario in a country club--is racism! Whites interacting with minorities and either acting like they are in white western culture or doing well is "white privilege" and "structural racism".

        White peoples' job is to be exploitable by minorities. Provide a market for Jews (and other middle man minorities) to exploit. Provide taxes for NAM welfare. Provide a more prosperous and law-abiding nation for immigrants to come to. Provide a safer neighborhood for minorities fleeing other minorities. Provide crime victims for blacks to victimize. And most of all ... provide a group everyone else can blame.

        Some providers protesting that they are allowed to own guns (looks like a small group of people with various physical disabilities though)

        Protesters threaten to stab Mitch McConnell outside his home (VIDEO)

        Not much up, but it’s rather Ghandi-esque.

      244. @Vinteuil
        AD, you're making important points, here, but, seriously, you need to dumb it down a bit.

        The State of Maryland could distribute general revenue to the counties and school districts according to formulae which had as arguments, total population, school age population, and the difference in personal income per capita between the most affluent county and a given county. That would create a riser to stand on for the more impecunious counties and school districts.
         
        I mean, who, here, besides me, made it past "formulae?"

        It means the wealthier White counties give their tax money to ; or more realistically, flush their tax money down the black Baltimore sewers.

        Money solves many problems. It doesn’t solve all problems. And it doesn’t solve any problems that involve blacks and their dysfunctional towns.

      245. @Travis
        interesting article about white flight from the NY times in 1976.
        https://www.nytimes.com/1976/04/19/archives/blacks-and-puerto-ricans-a-bronx-majority-study-finds-blacks-and.html

        New York City's white population declined by more than 600,000 between 1970 and 1975.....The 1975 survey was broken down by borough into four different categories white non-Puerto Rican, Negro non‐Puerto Rican, Puerto Rican, and “other races.” such as Orientals and American Indians.
         
        funny how they did not use the newly created hispanic term to describe Puerto Ricans and still used the terms Negro and Oriental in this 1976 article about white flight. Also indicates that white flight, which started in the 1940's , was still going strong in 1975.

        the city as a whole in 1975 was 62% white, 22% Negro, 12% Puerto Rican and 4% other races. The comparable figures in 1960 were 78% white, 13% Black, 8% Puerto Rican, and 1% other

        NYC didn’t really need the Hispanic term until we acquired sizable non-Puerto Rican Spanish speaking populations.

      246. @syonredux
        Yeah, I remember catching this on TV years ago. Here's a scene that would never get made today:


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJPXdLg3UK4

        How many gables at the Delta House?

      247. @Charlesz Martel
        Cont.
        Remember, this was just after the Mariel Boatlift, which brought 100,000 Cuban Criminals from Castro's jails and insane asylums, many of whom were in fact violent criminals. The crime got so bad the media couldn't spin their usual "Miami was saved by Cubans!" bullshit. When people were having their fingers cut off with garden shears to steal their rings, that kind of noise doesn't fly.
        I fact, to this day, this is still the only large immigration event where it can be mentioned that many of the immigrants were people we'd have been better off without in polite company. There's a scene in Scarface where Michelle Pfieffer asks Al Pacino if he's another one of those Marielito criminals and he says he's a political prisoner. The film even had a short intro apologizing for daring to tell the truth about Marielitos, and how wonderful Cubans were.

        What happened to the criminal element among them? Dead and incarcerated mostly?

        I live in Miami now and things are much calmer. I wasn’t here in 1980 but friends that were tell some hair-raising stories.

        • Replies: @Jim Don Bob

        I wasn’t here in 1980 but friends that were tell some hair-raising stories.
         
        Tell us some please.
        , @Charlesz Martel
        Many were killed and incarcerated within the first year. The rest moved on up from violent crime into the recreational pharmaceutical business, usually specializing in Bolivian Marching Powder. This was the period of the Mutiny Club, the Mike Gold murder, and Miami's new skyline. Also the shootouts in Dadeland and Omni.
        Not all Marielitos were criminals, of course. But enough were that Miami was changed permanently into a Narco-Latino city.
        As the joke goes:
        "Do you know th best thing about Miami? It's so near the United States!"
      248. “They didn’t flee slums”

        But what did they flee?

        Leaded gasoline
        Coal fired power plants and boilers, and maybe even trains.
        Lead paint
        The Mafia
        The Irish Mob
        Financial crisis due to excessive pay and benefits for local government workers
        Corrupt government including teachers, police and fire.

        The suburbs featured new buildings, new towns without unfunded pension schemes, ect

        Who moved into the emptying cities? Immigrants and southern blacks. There is a lot of nostalgia for the old white ethnic neighborhoods and an assumption that it was blacks that chased out the whites. Southern blacks backfilled where the whites left. Many whites left the cities because their employers relocated.

      249. @Steve Richter
        Would be fascinating to read a history of Blacks in America from the perspective of Whites who interacted with them, lived in the same town, ... Starting with slavery, how much violence and force was used to keep that institution working? There were slaves not only on plantations, but also farms throughout Virginia,for example. Was there white flight from slave areas? Was there black violence against whites back then - that is the kind that whites are afraid of today - being stuck in the wrong part of town, muggings or fights that quickly escalate into life altering violence.

        Was there white flight from slave areas?

        Yes. A lot.

        The most prominent example would be none other than the family of Abraham Lincoln.

        The Yankee people in Kansas fought the Missouri border ruffians not because they were abolitionist, but because they wanted to keep blacks and slavery out of Missouri. This is the true history of Northern white attitudes towards blacks.

        In his excellent work, ‘The Impending Crisis: 1848-1861′, David M. Potter shared the following quote from an old, New England-born Kansas Jayhawker farmer:

        “I kem here to Kansas to live in a free territory, and I don’t want ni***rs a-trampin’ on my grave!”

        This quote is intelligible only according to old (sensible) definitions of freedom and old American racial understanding.

      250. @Muse
        I have insured my children understand the following narrative: since the 1930’s three generations of my family have had to flee “changing neighborhoods” as refugees from urban US cities, at great economic cost, with the loss of accrued social and relational capital.

        We are a white diaspora. We fled violence and lawlessness, against our persons and our property. I told them to never forget it.

        We did not want to leave the beautiful cities we inhabited. They were taken from us.

        It is a very good thing you have done. Most other whites have not taught their children these hard truths.

      251. @Jack D
        You seem like a reasonable, intelligent person most of the time but you have a bug up your ass about "the Jews". This is not "your nation", it's not Simon's nation, it belongs to all Americans (even Americans with dual loyalty or even dual citizenship, not that describes most Jews in America). It even belongs to Americans who work day and night for the destruction of the goyim, not that that is what Simon really intends. Simon isn't going anywhere no matter how much you don't like him - his claim on America is just as good as yours.

        I know this was somewhat mentioned a few days ago, dealing with the Somalian president, but how exactly do we have dual citizenship again?

        I can see an American-born individual taking on citizenship somewhere else, because they never voluntarily swore an oath here. I don’t like it but there it is. (I think the IRS should make leaving easier.)

        But I don’t know how naturalized citizens can be dual citizens. It literally makes the oath of allegiance worthless.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(United_States)

        So no, America doesn’t belong to someone like that as much as it does to me. And the only reason it’s allowed is because people have not pushed back enough. I think that time is coming.

      252. @Bugg
        David Simon made his whole career and fortune on 2 TV series about Baltimore's inner city largely African-American dysfunction. And now tells tells us the problem is evil white people all along.Also, he decries blockbusting. So realtors who brokered panicky white people's home sales to new African-American home buyers were the whole problem? As with Chetty, the African-American community have no agency nor responsibility, simply jellyfish floating in a sea of white racism shaping their every action.

        Saw flight 1st and 2nd hand in Brooklyn in the 1960s and 70s. How many times does a family member have to get beat up or robbed or had a car broken into or worse before making a sensible decision to leave a neighborhood is not racist?

        Irony is many of the neighborhoods in Brooklyn white people abandoned in the 1950s, 60s and 70s are being recolonized by hipster white trust funders from elsewhere. But that was preceded by Guiliani and then Bloomberg supporting the police. Going to be interesting how that goes with 8 years of Diblasio and probably another liberal idiot after him.

        Never watched or heard of The Wire. Although the TV shows are bad, it’s the incessant commercials I just can’t stand. There are some sit com series on Netflix Hulu etc. Those services state exact hours minutes and seconds of a movie or TV episode. Look at that info. 30 minute show, 15 14 minutes of the show. 15 16 minutes of commercials.

        I just get bored because of the commercials and read a book or do something else. Anything else

        I’ve noticed that when movies are shown on TV any scene that’s not really necessary to move the story along is cut to make room for commercials. Old enough to remember when AMC was commercial free? Now a 2 hour movie is stretched to 4 hours because of the commercials

        Many families don’t have cable and network TV at all. They have a screen for Amazon Prime Netflix etc but no regular TV. One has to fight with the WiFi Service about it but it’s worth it. .

        • Replies: @ScarletNumber
        Not that I watched it, but The Wire was on HBO, ergo no commercials.
        , @Jimbo
        The Wire was on HBO. No commercials.
        , @David In TN
        "Old enough to remember when AMC was commercial free?"

        TCM doesn't have commercials. Funny thing, when they show a 40's or 50's film noir, its supposed to be about Dark City. Actually places like LA and New York look relatively civilized 65-70 years ago.
      253. @Mr. Anon
        David Simon is creating a miniseries based on Phillip Roth's The Plot Against America

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plot_Against_America_(miniseries)

        Funny how they get to define what is or is not America, and who is or is not "against it".

        Why wasn't Simon ever been held to account for his work on The Wire as a racist who traffics in "tropes" and "dogwhistles" about black dysfunction?

        Since the original novel is a lying piece of Jewish trash, this miniseries will be equally hackneyed propaganda.

        But it does give me the opportunity to link to Mr. Bill Kauffman’s outstanding destruction of Roth’s disgusting “work.”

        https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/heil-to-the-chief/

      254. @AnotherDad

        Second, he mentions that they ran with the $$$ as if those $$$ belonged to everyone but those who had them.
         
        As usual, great stuff ISF.

        It's not just $$$--David Simon has lots of $$$, but those are Jewish $$$. Not the same.

        In the minoritarian narrative whites themselves are the communal property. Whites must present themselves for access by any minorites. Whites keeping to themselves--worst case scenario in a country club--is racism! Whites interacting with minorities and either acting like they are in white western culture or doing well is "white privilege" and "structural racism".

        White peoples' job is to be exploitable by minorities. Provide a market for Jews (and other middle man minorities) to exploit. Provide taxes for NAM welfare. Provide a more prosperous and law-abiding nation for immigrants to come to. Provide a safer neighborhood for minorities fleeing other minorities. Provide crime victims for blacks to victimize. And most of all ... provide a group everyone else can blame.

        Donald Trump wants the death penalty for a comment like that. Remember that. And Trump is the least radical. Looks like he’s going to be impeached and convicted before the Summer is out.

        President Harris she has more … convincing ideas. She finds your lack of enthusiasm for diversity… disturbing.

        You and Steve and the rest have this idea that America exists or that it can be saved.

        It can’t. This is the global hotel for the third world. You are here to provide money and work for the new captains. Look at them!

        There is no act or group of acts that can change that. The die was set during Clintons time. You are just like me a despised and discriminated White person who are masters do not even wish to continue to exist.

        It is our job to survive. Period. Our nation is dead never to return. Abandon hopium for the crack that it is. Get ready for a nationwide gun seizure with cops and military kicking down every White mans door but not any person of color. Get ready for all sorts of reparations and more.

        It is our duty to our families and heritage to survive. Everything else is bs.

        They are the captain now.

        • Replies: @istevefan
        Do you regret attacking Patrick Buchanan now?
      255. @Jack D
        You seem like a reasonable, intelligent person most of the time but you have a bug up your ass about "the Jews". This is not "your nation", it's not Simon's nation, it belongs to all Americans (even Americans with dual loyalty or even dual citizenship, not that describes most Jews in America). It even belongs to Americans who work day and night for the destruction of the goyim, not that that is what Simon really intends. Simon isn't going anywhere no matter how much you don't like him - his claim on America is just as good as yours.

        Mr. Simon would benefit from a better attitude.

        While we’re at it, dual citizenship should simply not be recognized in this country. If someone’s a passive holder of foreign citizenship (e.g. Ted Cruz’s Canadian citizenship) that’s not much of an issue. However, the moment someone runs for office, obtains a government job, or obtains a law license, it should be legally required that he sign a formal statement renouncing his foreign citizenship, cc to the nearest consulate.

        • Agree: Johann Ricke
        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

        However, the moment someone runs for office, obtains a government job, or obtains a law license, it should be legally required that he sign a formal statement renouncing his foreign citizenship, cc to the nearest consulate.
         
        Why formal? Isn't the act itself still illegal? Afroyim was about voting elsewhere. Did it say you could run elsewhere as well?

        The Catholic Church does not excommunicate people. It merely recognizes that the individual has excommunicated himself by his actions. This should be the case with citizenship as well.
      256. @Barnard
        Gran Torino is probably as close as Hollywood ever got. It has somewhat of a happy ending feel though, the Hmong start agreeing to testifying against the gang and Walt's children and grandchildren (the people who engaged in white flight) are largely portrayed negatively. They are shown as greedy and unwilling to socialize with the immigrants who took over the neighborhood where they grew up. I can't say it is a solid example of defending white flight, but it better than most.

        That is NOT an accurate description of Walt’s children and grandchildren

        There is basically no depiction of them interacting, or choosing not to interact, with the immigrants. They are depicted as greedy, yes. But primarily, they are shown as unwilling to interact with Walt.

        If anything, the children and grandchildren are ashamed of Walt for being old-school.

        The suburbs were better than the alternative of living among black crime, but they were still built purposefully to turn whites into rootless, consumerist drones. And THAT is what Walt’s children and grandchildren are depicted as having become.

      257. @njguy73

        @Steve Sailer: it’s Nick Hornby, not Bruce Hornsby–but yeah.

         
        That was my reaction. Bruce Hornsby wrote an anti-racism song.

        And Rogers Hornsby was the best second baseman in MLB history.

        Everyone got that?

        Rogers Hornsby was the best second baseman in MLB history.

        I’ll vote for Robbie Alomar

      258. @syonredux
        Yeah, I remember catching this on TV years ago. Here's a scene that would never get made today:


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJPXdLg3UK4

        Wow, I’m surprised it could be made even in 1970. Reiner couldn’t be too proud of it now.

        • Agree: David In TN
      259. @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
        Here's the thing people tend to forget. For most of American history, people did NOT reside in the cities. People who came over to the US during the Ellis Island craze (ca.1880's-1924), tended to live in the cities and a good portion of US history is seen through the lenses of their descendants. As some of these ethnic groups tend to wield control over the Narrative (among other things), you tend to get "Well, doesn't everyone want to live in cities? Who wouldn't? Look at all the great things that cities provide, etc etc".

        Again, up until about the 1920s, most Americans did not reside in cities. They tended to live in smaller towns or on farms.

        Also, during the post-war, something known as Levittown, the first mass produced suburb came into being. It quickly caught on during the '50's. Also, President Eisenhower's Interstate Highway Act made car travel easier, more convenient, etc.

        So there are actually a few factors at work as to why many Americans deserted the cities post WW2.

        1. They were returning back to their native roots. Again, most Americans did not reside in cities for most of their history.

        2. The suburbs came into their own after the war. They offered smaller, intimate neighborhoods. Instead of cramped rowhouses with no land (which could be very claustrophobic), they offered a detached house, with a front and back yard. Only way to reach the suburbs in those early days was by way of car. Think Leave it to Beaver. What did the show of the mid/late '50's depict? Suburban life that was simply idyllic. As the suburbs developed, they also built their own schools, libraries, etc. Thus there was no reason to go to the cities as often as before.

        3. Cars became more affordable for most Americans, coupled with the Interstate Highway Act, which made car travel easier.

        4. Also around this time as whites were deserting the cities, the main demographic that remained behind were African-Americans.


        Technically White Flight in most urban areas started BEFORE the increase in crime, due in no small part to the popularity of Levittown, NY and the idea of pre-planned suburban communities, only accessible by car.

        Thus there really was no reason to go to cities for very much by the late '60's/'70's.

        As most of the national media was located in NY, and tended to reside in the city or at least in the NY Metro, the media was either clueless (or willfully ignorant) as to why most Americans preferred the suburbs to living in the cities.

        1. They were returning back to their native roots. Again, most Americans did not reside in cities for most of their history.

        It’s pretty flippant of you to conflate rural, 19th century living (“roots”) with the totally contrived, auto-based suburbs of the post-war period.

        • Replies: @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
        Suburbs = outside the city

        Country = outside the city

        Like yeah. Come on. Basically they were returning to their roots
      260. @dearieme
        renting flats to Jamaican hoodlums in 1960 England in order to violently terrorize old white ladies in the neighborhood into selling their homes, from which he collects 6% as their realtor

        Good God, estate agents (as we call realtors) make nowhere near 6% in England. I doubt if they did in 1960 but that is long before I moved to England.

        I think Rachman used black thugs to drive out the Whites and then charged his black tenants high rents that were paid by the welfare department. So he made a lot more that 6 percent. He was primarily a landlord not a real estate salesman. The buying of property was just the means to becoming a landlord.

      261. @Mr. Anon
        David Simon is creating a miniseries based on Phillip Roth's The Plot Against America

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Plot_Against_America_(miniseries)

        Funny how they get to define what is or is not America, and who is or is not "against it".

        Why wasn't Simon ever been held to account for his work on The Wire as a racist who traffics in "tropes" and "dogwhistles" about black dysfunction?

        Why wasn’t Simon ever been held to account for his work on The Wire as a racist who traffics in “tropes” and “dogwhistles” about black dysfunction?

        I think he is now, that’s why he’s so pissed. The Wire is almost a documentary on Black dysfunction and corruption. Now that Baltimore is under the magnifying glass, I’m guessing more then one conservative type has used The Wire to illustrate their point. It debuted in 2002, before the social justice loon’s took over the Dem’s and long before Trump derangement syndrome. Now Simon’s liberal bonafides are being questioned, forcing him to go on the defensive and grovel at the feet of the SJW’s with language like “fuckmook” and of course blame it all on Whitey.

      262. @TWS
        We were already flown being in a whitetopia but those who fled were awful. Completely different values. Dishonest, untrustworthy, and cynical they made worse neighbors than three minorities near us. You could no longer leave something unlocked or outside. And these were mostly white Californians from la area. East coast people were worse. Thank goodness there weren't many of them.

        Can’t be. Steve says only liberals moved out.

      263. @Reg Cæsar

        as whites were deserting the cities, the main demographic that remained behind were African-Americans.
         
        Who themselves were only a generation or so off the farm. Or whatever sharecroppers called it.

        The suburbs came into their own after the war.
         
        Progressives had a lot to do with this. Now, their ideological descendants bitch.

        Conservatives aren't innocent of this kind of thing, but they do it in reverse. Now they defend old progressive atrocities like nuclear war and, well, the Interstate Highway System.

        Conservatives aren’t innocent of this kind of thing, but they do it in reverse. Now they defend old progressive atrocities like nuclear war and, well, the Interstate Highway System.

        True

        But of course, no real right-winger or traditionalist could ever defend the Federal Housing Authority or the Interstate Highway System.

        The fact that the FHA came out of the Roosevelt den is a pretty clear sign that the intention was to use “home ownership” as an Orwellian future tool of destroying small towns and urban neighborhoods in favor of rootless consumerism.

        The American subsidization of the car was also a disaster. Our passenger rail service was the best in the world. We blew that up in favor of becoming addicted to our cars.

      264. “Simon just wants to know: Why are white people so stupid that they can’t understand that the message of The Wire is: White People Are Bad? Why aren’t they intellectually sophisticated enough to grasp that complex concept?”

        No, that would Mr. Sailer putting his own spin on what HE wants to believe Simon wants his audience to know.

        “Anyway, has there ever been a movie or TV show that presents the reasons for 1950s-1980s White Flight from integrating neighborhoods honestly…”

        Honestly, somewhere in between lies the truth.

        https://psmag.com/social-justice/white-flight-remains-a-reality

        • Troll: YetAnotherAnon
        • Replies: @R.G. Camara
        lol. I see Mr. Brock does not believe denying the violence of blacks completely is ok, so he's going for the "both sides are to blame, both sides are bad" argument that American Commies tried when the evils of the Soviet Communism and Cuba's repression and Mao's China could not be denied.

        It didn't work then and it won't work now, commie. But nice try on the lie, kiddo!
        , @Joe, Averaged
        Give me a break. No one doubts why people leave. The question is whether they should be morally shamed for it. Simon: yes. Sailer: no. Corvinus: let’s find the cowardly center and call ourselves noble.
      265. @Vinteuil
        The whole point of The Wire was to provide lefty white folk with the imaginary experience of cool black friends they'd love to hang out with.

        “The whole point of The Wire was to provide lefty white folk with the imaginary experience of cool black friends they’d love to hang out with.”

        You haven’t been NOTICING. Gen Z, for example, is notorious for black-white-Asian-Indian (feather, dot)-other relationships and friendships. And “white folk” regardless of their ideology hang out socially with people of color, whether at work, at sportsball, or a watering hole.

        Anecdotally, in my neighborhood, we have a good mix of people. I don’t have to worry about lil’ Abdul throwing molotov cocktails or lil’ Dre’ jack my ride.

        • Replies: @R.G. Camara

        Anecdotally, in my neighborhood, we have a good mix of people. I don’t have to worry about lil’ Abdul throwing molotov cocktails or lil’ Dre’ jack my ride.
         
        Mr. Soros tends to be discriminating in his minority hires, agreed. He hires only the best (non-violent) token diversity jokes, except when he needs them killing cops in the Black Lives Matter movement.
        , @Jeff Stryker
        CORVINUS


        No Gen Y befriend inner-city blacks. Every generation they get more tough from utterly feral living conditions-Mom a crack prostitute, Dad in prison or dead, living in near-third world conditions, selling drugs by age 12.

        Whites meanwhile, get weaker. The first and second-generation Irish and Polish were pretty tough. Then along came the GI Bill and they moved to the suburbs. These days the great-grandson of a tough Polish immigrant is a metro-sexual porn addict still living in his parents McMansion in the suburbs.

        As for white flight, it eventually becomes a matter of pure life and death survival. In cities like Detroit or Flint, whites flee or they end up like the French of Haiti. Or the Boers of South Africa. No pretense of any sort of civilization remains. Whites simply move en mass both Democrat and Conservative, Catholic and Jewish, rich and poor.

        More and more there is nowhere to go in the US. Whites used to flee the rustbelt for California but that became a Latin Banana Republic so they flee to Nevada. Whites are now playing hopscotch and the average white can expect to experience white flight moves twice in his lifetime.
      266. @prime noticer
        has there ever been a realistic movie about LA and the mexican takeover? you know, how LA doesn't look like a 1960s surfer, valley girl paradise anymore, and hasn't for decades?

        almost every movie about LA still portrays it as one of the greatest cities in the world. it's actually a third world dump, with crushing traffic.

        i know, i know, there were a few. Colors, Falling Down, and so forth. since so very many movies are based in LA. but it's rare.

        the average person who has never been to California and learns everything they know from watching movies still thinks it's the Beach Boys out there.

        most inaccurate idea for decades now: LA has a lot of hot women. no, not really. it has millions of short ugly third world trolls.

        It’s the same sad way-outdated cliche of the Catholic Church being full of right wing old priests and tons of nuns who are all so repressed and traditional and anti-science, man. And also sexual predators. Then one gay priest comes along and brings in tons of followers and is perfect to everyone, but the old bigots can’t handle it, man!

        There was actually an episode of Bones from the last 10 years that depicted the Church exactly like that, so this nonsense is still rampant. These (((folks))) really know no shame in these lies.

        Of course, its exactly the opposite in reality. There are no more nuns and monks, and the old priests are Vatican II commie-homo installations who are all homos raping teenage runaways, driving people from the pews, and singing Peace chants. Some younger priests today are old school traditional, but they’re getting shit on by all the homos on top.

        Ironically, the only depiction I’ve seen that somewhat accurately depicts this real current dynamic is Angels & Demons, where the young priest/wanna-be-pope/killer is depicted as an arch-traditionalist Catholic, while the older bishops are all wise lefties. Of course, the arch-traditionalist is a bad guy, while the lefty bishops are all good, but at least they depict the age-cohorts correctly for these times.

      267. @ricpic
        Rogers Hornsby had a career batting average of something like .340. Uneffingbelievable.*







        *Of course I could be wrong because I'm too lazy to look it up but it was way way up there.

        Hornsby was actually .358 for his career. He’s second only to Ty Cobb, who hit .366 for his career.

      268. @Corvinus
        "Simon just wants to know: Why are white people so stupid that they can’t understand that the message of The Wire is: White People Are Bad? Why aren’t they intellectually sophisticated enough to grasp that complex concept?"

        No, that would Mr. Sailer putting his own spin on what HE wants to believe Simon wants his audience to know.

        "Anyway, has there ever been a movie or TV show that presents the reasons for 1950s-1980s White Flight from integrating neighborhoods honestly..."

        Honestly, somewhere in between lies the truth.

        https://psmag.com/social-justice/white-flight-remains-a-reality

        lol. I see Mr. Brock does not believe denying the violence of blacks completely is ok, so he’s going for the “both sides are to blame, both sides are bad” argument that American Commies tried when the evils of the Soviet Communism and Cuba’s repression and Mao’s China could not be denied.

        It didn’t work then and it won’t work now, commie. But nice try on the lie, kiddo!

        • Replies: @Corvinus
        "he’s going for the “both sides are to blame, both sides are bad”...

        Which is observable true, and assuredly has nothing to do with communism.
      269. @Jack D
        You seem like a reasonable, intelligent person most of the time but you have a bug up your ass about "the Jews". This is not "your nation", it's not Simon's nation, it belongs to all Americans (even Americans with dual loyalty or even dual citizenship, not that describes most Jews in America). It even belongs to Americans who work day and night for the destruction of the goyim, not that that is what Simon really intends. Simon isn't going anywhere no matter how much you don't like him - his claim on America is just as good as yours.

        Jack you changed the subject in the middle of your comment. Should AnotherDad have a “bug up his ass” about the Jews or not? Whether Simon or whoever has a “claim on America” is irrelevant.

        Staying on topic, should us goyim just disregard the simmering ethnic hatred coming from the Simons’, the Boot’s, the Bret Stephen’s, the Erdeley’s, the execrable Sontag’s? Should we pretend its coming from just other white people, same as the rest of us? If so maybe they shouldn’t preface so many sentences with “as a Jew” if they’re trying to blend in.

        Would you also recommend your co-ethnics dial it back a bit, perhaps remind them America has treated them pretty well and that maybe even the more good-willed goyim are noticing the bottomless hatred? Your comments are generally “reasonable and intelligent” but I can’t recall a single one where you say something along the lines of “that Jew is really being a bigoted asshole”.

        You said yourself that AD seems reasonable and intelligent. I would think that if reasonable and intelligent people are starting to conclude “I don’t hate Jews, but they sure seem to hate me”, that might concern the reasonable and intelligent among the Jews. Nobody can say what the future holds, but it seems like putting such effort into making enemies out of the only ethnic group in our wonderful multi-ethnic stew that, on balance, really likes you people might be a bad idea. Just my $0.02.

        • Replies: @AnotherDad
        Thanks William Badwhite. You cued up the questions for Jack, better than i could have.

        I picked my somewhat cheesy AnotherDad moniker because being a dad is the most important thing i've done and politically it motivates my thought--the desire to turn over the great, prosperous, civilized Western nation i inherited to my children and their children.

        If i'd known how my irritation at the people working--with open anti-white animus--against my basic, rather human desire, would blossom, i'd have picked something more apropos. AnotherBadwhite?
        , @Reg Cæsar

        Staying on topic, should us goyim just disregard the simmering ethnic hatred coming from the Simons’, the Boot’s, the Bret Stephen’s, the Erdeley’s, the execrable Sontag’s?
         
        Yes. We should disregard everything about them.

        In what way have these nobodies earned our attention?
      270. @syonredux
        Yeah, I remember catching this on TV years ago. Here's a scene that would never get made today:


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJPXdLg3UK4

        And if anyone tried to do the scene at 13 minutes in today (Black girls go on an anti-Becky rampage) , they would be permanently banned from Hollywood……

        • Replies: @International Jew
        One thing that's disorienting about these clips is the black boys' normal-looking clothing and hair and lack of jewelry or neck tatoos. I look at them and think, those guys are the class black nerds, they must be harmless.
      271. @Corvinus
        "The whole point of The Wire was to provide lefty white folk with the imaginary experience of cool black friends they’d love to hang out with."

        You haven't been NOTICING. Gen Z, for example, is notorious for black-white-Asian-Indian (feather, dot)-other relationships and friendships. And "white folk" regardless of their ideology hang out socially with people of color, whether at work, at sportsball, or a watering hole.

        Anecdotally, in my neighborhood, we have a good mix of people. I don't have to worry about lil' Abdul throwing molotov cocktails or lil' Dre' jack my ride.

        Anecdotally, in my neighborhood, we have a good mix of people. I don’t have to worry about lil’ Abdul throwing molotov cocktails or lil’ Dre’ jack my ride.

        Mr. Soros tends to be discriminating in his minority hires, agreed. He hires only the best (non-violent) token diversity jokes, except when he needs them killing cops in the Black Lives Matter movement.

      272. @AnotherDad

        David Simon made his whole career and fortune on 2 TV series about Baltimore’s inner city largely African-American dysfunction. And now tells tells us the problem is evil white people all along.
         
        Nailed it.

        Jew, who has made a packet off fictionalizing black dysfunction, blames the white gentiles fleeing it ... for causing it! ... all the while living off in some tony district removed from black crime and disorder. He belongs in some Jewish hall of fame.

        ~~

        It's not even worth arguing about Jewish hatreds, resentments, propaganda anymore. Everyday, columns and articles and Hollyweird propaganda and a million tweets. Simon hates my people, because his people refused to integrate with us--or very distant relatives to the east--for 1000 years and that--predictably--did not generate warm feelings in return. Ok!

        But why should we tolerate this continual abuse? Simon refuses to do the honorable thing--clear out of my nation and make aliyah. So can't we just separate? Separate nations.

        Simon can enjoy a rainbow hued utopia free of us racist, white-flighting gentiles. His side should have Baltimore. And Simon, himself, could start reversing white-flight by moving into one of Baltimore's vibrant neighborhoods that is the source of his loot and in the process show dumb ass hayseed whiteys like me that "diversity is our greatest strength".

        Jew, who has made a packet off fictionalizing black dysfunction, blames the white gentiles fleeing it … for causing it!

        The Poles had a saying; I choose to not quote it in full, but it included the words: “…cries out in pain as he strikes you.”

        • Replies: @BengaliCanadianDude
        You must be talking about the ((Laotians))!
      273. @Joe, Averaged
        He hilariously states, that white people left, “running with the tax money”.

        Hey! That money is not theirs, it’s “tax money” for other people!

        What were they supposed to do, leave the money?

        And yet, “tax money” is sent back to these abandoned neighborhoods, to little avail.

        https://digitalcommons.iwu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1112&context=econ_honproj

        “Although invasion-succession predicts this process of ‘white flight,’ the obvious question is what is so wrong with having minority neighbors? Why do white higher status residents move out when minorities move in? A possible explanation in the literature is pure discrimination: whites dislike minorities because they are not white (Bobo and Zubrinsky 1996). A second explanation stresses the proxy component of racial aversion: white people avoid minority neighborhoods not because of race, but because of the other neighborhood concerns correlated with racial composition like the poverty rate.

        In other words, because socio-economic status and race are often correlated, higher-income whites may avoid integrated areas because of the economic status of its residents who happen to be minorities. Consequently, some studies find that white flight may be more of a flight from poverty and decay than a flight from minorities (Jego and Roehner 2006, Vidgor 2007, Harris 1999).

        These studies both note that as neighborhoods decline, middle-class minorities often leave alongside their white counterparts.

        Similarly, the filtering theory depicts neighborhood change, not based on a changing minority population, but on a declining housing stock. This model, introduced by Hoyt (1933) and developed by Smith (1963), explains neighborhood change as a function of decisions made by property owners. Because maintenance costs rise with the age, homeowners and landlords will invest decreasing amounts of capital as buildings age according to this theory. Thus as the housing stock ages, owners invest less and less in their properties. Rather than making home repairs, more affluent residents move out of the neighborhood into areas with newer homes.

        Sternlieb (1966) relates the filtering theory to the used car market, explaining that when people upgrade to a new car, they sell their old car at a lower price as a used car. Similar is the bid rent model developed by Muth (1969). This model explains neighborhood change as a function of a trade-off between housing quality and proximity to the city.

        Studies by Fujita (1989) and Leven et al (1976) demonstrate empirical support for the idea that the more affluent will sacrifice commute time for housing quality. Based on this literature, one would expect the age of the housing stock and distance from the city center to affect the quality of an area. However, these theories make the questionable assumption that individuals cannot always freely choose where to live. For example, a minority family may wish to move further away from the city, but cannot because of discrimination in the real estate market they cannot rent or purchase a home (Hyra 2008).”

      274. @Art Deco
        For Jones, 'conspiracy' is his default explanation. Doesn't require demonstration.

        Glad to see you don’t have an actual response to Mr. Jones’s argument.

      275. @istevefan

        ...just frightened whites fearing the blockbust and running with all the tax money over the county line. They didn’t flee slums. They ran with the $$$
         
        First, the use of word fear to shame Whites. They fled because they were afraid is akin to some sort of elementary school argument. If fear is not a good reason to flee, then we should immediately shut down our immigration and asylum system ASAP since those people are leaving their homelands due to fear. Fear apparently is no longer a valid reason to flee.

        Second, he mentions that they ran with the $$$ as if those $$$ belonged to everyone but those who had them. However, since he is considering those $$$ as communal property, would he say the same about immigrants who flee their lands and head here? Are they not taking the $$$ or Pesos or whatever out of their local economy? Don't we even offer a crazy immigration category that grants status to anyone who brings a million dollars or so of assets with them? That would be the very thing in which he lambastes Whites.

        Third, if White flight is bad because it leaves behind a less capable area, then does he have a similar complaint about middle class blacks who leave behind poorer blacks? What about the best and brightest of the developing world leaving with all their talent for the West?

        Seeing it here in PBC in horse country, many many stables recently sold to Germans, French and Danes. My RE woman said the big money is already leaving Europe, selling before they can’t.

        • Replies: @istevefan
        Can you expand on this? What is PBC horse country?
      276. @AnotherDad

        David Simon made his whole career and fortune on 2 TV series about Baltimore’s inner city largely African-American dysfunction. And now tells tells us the problem is evil white people all along.
         
        Nailed it.

        Jew, who has made a packet off fictionalizing black dysfunction, blames the white gentiles fleeing it ... for causing it! ... all the while living off in some tony district removed from black crime and disorder. He belongs in some Jewish hall of fame.

        ~~

        It's not even worth arguing about Jewish hatreds, resentments, propaganda anymore. Everyday, columns and articles and Hollyweird propaganda and a million tweets. Simon hates my people, because his people refused to integrate with us--or very distant relatives to the east--for 1000 years and that--predictably--did not generate warm feelings in return. Ok!

        But why should we tolerate this continual abuse? Simon refuses to do the honorable thing--clear out of my nation and make aliyah. So can't we just separate? Separate nations.

        Simon can enjoy a rainbow hued utopia free of us racist, white-flighting gentiles. His side should have Baltimore. And Simon, himself, could start reversing white-flight by moving into one of Baltimore's vibrant neighborhoods that is the source of his loot and in the process show dumb ass hayseed whiteys like me that "diversity is our greatest strength".

        I don’t know about Simon (his public pronouncements are usually liberally stupid). And I don’t care about him. Just, my opinion about his TV work is:

        1. “Homicide: Life on the Streets” was one of the greatest shows, a true creative masterpiece. But, it was “art TV”. Not realistic in ordinary sense of the word, cops being, many of them, existentialist philosophers or tormented spiritual questers after the meaning of life. So, this show had only partial documentary value & in what was worth, as a work of art TV, was a creation of Tom Fontana & his crew, not Simon. Simon was, actually, dissatisfied because he is basically journalist-reporter, not a visual artist interested in complex psychologies. Blacks figured prominently in H:LotS & were portrayed as full human beings.

        2. “The Wire” was more of a documentary TV show & it was Simon’s show. This show was essentially an exercise in sociology through a journalist’s eyes. I didn’t watch “Wire” closely, but I found a few themes or “messages” in it, and my reaction was: I felt revulsion toward blacks because they were depicted as cartoonish human garbage; I found the story-line about smart black run operation absolutely unbelievable because blacks are not intelligent enough to mastermind anything so complex (and unnecessary) at that level; some characters, like gay black Robin Hood Omar were totally absurd & unreal, plus odious; the whole Baltimore was rendered as a cesspool & I don’t think that any normal white, Asian, … would want anything else than nuke the whole damn shithole.

        I can’t decipher Simon’s world-view in that show. In his pronouncements, he is evidently a zombie liberal. But his chief oeuvre reeks of fatalism, desperation & disgust. As for Jewish angle, I haven’t seen his Jews as anything different; his whites (mostly Catholics) are also ordinary 2-dimensional people with ethnic (Irish, Polish, Italian) ties, while blacks are unbelievable, absurd- yet, I suspect, Simon harbors secret fascination with them & sees them as both vital primitives & victims of whole “capitalist” machinery; just brutal everyday reality leaves the stench of blackness as something essentially criminal & parasitic (with, of course, a few exceptions).

        With regard to the topic: I don’t think that any truly controversial & painful social, cultural etc. issue was covered in American cinema, which tends to idealize everything (believers in 2nd chance). French, German, Italian…cinema are slightly more realist, but not much more.

        • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
        Regarding "The Wire" was loaned the entire series on DVD by a liberal co-worker, A good show, but uneven, not the masterpiece many lefties make out to be. Season two was the best, after that it became a platform for Simon's political views and became increasingly unrealistic, particularly the last season.

        Season two was the best in large part because it was the least political of them all. Portrayed the black drug dealers as really just foot soldiers for a Greek crime family that truly ran organized crime in the city. I don't know anything about Baltimore, but considering how good the season was found it plausible.

        Showed the provincialism of a lot of urban blacks, a drug dealer character had never left Baltimore his entire life or visited Philly until this episode despite being a one and a half hour drive away. Show was really an old fashioned male oriented liberal drama, almost all the main characters are male, the only major character on all 5 seasons who is female is a black, lesbian police officer.
        ,