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      What the deal with the Women National Basketball Association? When NBA supremo David Stern founded it in the 1990s, he presumably assumed it would be staffed by tall, elegant Daddy’s Girls, like high and college female basketball. Why did it instead become the Angry Lesbians League?

       
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      1. You will note that there are no angry lesbians in woman’s beach volleyball.

        • LOL: Abe
        • Replies: @Charles Pewitt

        You will note that there are no angry lesbians in woman’s beach volleyball.

         
        There is hardly anything covering their private parts except cameras.
        , @Anon
        Not true.
        , @Anon7
        Clever answer!

        A more complete answer is that volleyball is a non-contact sport. Competitive basketball is a full-contact sport created for men. Guess what body type and temperament is best for competitive basketball?

        Hence Angry Lesbians. Oh sure, they’re upset that they don’t get paid like Lebron. That will be taken care of when we move from Equal Opportunity to Equal Outcome to Equal Compensation (tm).
      2. Daddy’s Girls, like high and college female basketball.

        Daddy’s girls don’t get high.

        WNBA =

        We Niggaz’ Bull Amazons.

        Will Nothing Boost Attendance?

        Why Nobody Buy Anything?

      3. Why did it instead become the Angry Lesbians League?

        Because night follows day, Steve.

        OT: Did anyone notice that Trump said he thinks he knows who did 9/11? Most interesting.

        • Replies: @El Dato
        He will probably say it's Iran.

        If he really had to say the truth, his head would explode, especially after Trump Heights has been inaugurated in a piece of land that belongs to Syria that the US said Israel can have.
        , @Digital Samizdat

        OT: Did anyone notice that Trump said he thinks he knows who did 9/11? Most interesting.
         
        Yeah, but don't get too excited. He's probably getting ready to pin it on Iran.
        , @nsa
        "did anyone notice Trumpstein said he thinks he knows who did 9/11?"
        Iranian passports have been newly discovered at the WTC7 site?
      4. Fortunately, since the WNBA’s fan base and viewership are both close to zero, hardly anybody knows this….I sometimes ask my sports fan friends to name one WNBA franchise by team name…They can’t do it..

        • Replies: @ScarletNumber
        My local team is the New York Liberty, but I'm not sure how many more I can name. Most of the names used to be derivative of the NBA team, so that helped, i.e. Houston Comets, who no longer exist in spite of winning the first 4 WNBA titles.

        The Knicks no longer own the Liberty, so they no longer have the right to play in Madison Square Garden. Therefore, they now play in the 5000 seat building that the Knicks G-League team plays in.
        , @JDY
        Chicago Bull Dykes
        , @Patriot1
        Zero? Not really. When the Lynx won the championship a couple of years ago they had a victory parade for them in Minneapolis. Huge crowd, must have been at least 200 people there.
      5. Some friends went to a Monarch’s game in the early days of its existence. Attendance was pretty good, but they were grossed out by the number of lesbians in the stands. They said it was uncanny how many female couples were cuddling all over the place.

        They didn’t go again.

        • Replies: @e
        That happened back in the 70s when we went to see Lily Tomlin. Several rows of tank-topped lesbians with armpit hair sat in front of us (it was, after all, an outdoor venue and a very warm summer's night in Contra Costa County), and it seems they thought they'd give the straight crowd a show by making the pre-performance time a make-out session. Their self-indulgence was laughable.

        Tomlin was funny enough to make up for the distractions.
      6. Isn’t women’s sports in general like that? At a (semi) pro level, anyway.

        Women’s golf and tennis are full of them, aren’t they? Some quick googling says 66-75% of the players in the women’s soccer world cup.

        Women may play sports especially at high school or recreational level, but most people don’t take women’s sports all that seriously like a professional would, besides the lesbian feminist types.

        The real question is how long will it take for most of them to be chucked out and replaced by trannies.

        • Agree: HammerJack
        • Replies: @Dave Pinsen
        No. Women’s soccer, for example, has some pretty, feminine players like Julie Ertz, who’s married to NFL tight end Zach Ertz. Tennis has lots of pretty, feminine women like Genie Bouchard.
        , @fish

        Women’s golf and tennis are full of them, aren’t they? Some quick googling says 66-75% of the players in the women’s soccer world cup.
         
        At the USA Softball later teen levels it (lesbianism in the ranks) is referred to "40 Percentin…."
        , @Thomas

        The real question is how long will it take for most of them to be chucked out and replaced by trannies.
         
        That would probably be the best opportunity for femininity to be back in style in the league, actually.
        , @MrLiberty
        I think it is pretty safe to say that some may already be trannies.
        , @prosa123
        Just a couple of days ago the USA Powerlifting Federation (USAPL) announced that transgender athletes will no longer be allowed to compete as women. The group determined that even after the completion of the transition, with reduction of testosterone levels, an athlete born male would retain physical advantages in such things as lung capacity and bone structure.
        , @Bardon Kaldian

        Isn’t women’s sports in general like that? At a (semi) pro level, anyway.
         
        Er....not. First- I don't care much for any sport, male or female. I find all this fuss pointless (although historically ineradicable- panem et circenses). But, from what I've seen, most volleyball & handball female athletes are physically rather attractive & generally straight.

        What is "manly" about them is not their looks or sex orientation. It is their promiscuity & casual attitude toward sex & "love", traits more associated with male sex/gender.
        , @dr kill
        Men are better than women at everything, including being women.
        , @Deckin
        As regards tennis, I think a big thing that militates against the anger is the fact that tennis is remarkably integrated sexually, from a very young age. All boys and girls juniors practice together, have clinics and lessons together and, of course, often play actual competitive mixed doubles together. Even on the pro tour, there is a remarkable amount of interaction between men and women pros. They all know each other (to varying degrees) and practice along side each other at all events where they compete together (Slams and events like Indian Wells, Cincinnati, Madrid...)--and there's a ton of dating across tours; a ton.

        Every top female pro has a male hitting partner and, by dint of close acquaintance, is simply in awe of the men's game. I'm guessing none of this is true of the other sports.
      7. I don’t know why David Stern ever would have thought the WNBA would be tall and elegant daddy’s girls. Division I women’s college basketball is not daddy’s girls and wasn’t that way in the late 90s either. Sue Bird(star at UConn in late 90s) types have been the norm. A few years ago, there was a former player who talked about the social pressure to become a lesbian within the league, I don’t doubt that starts at the college level. Within a couple of years of the WNBA starting, there were articles being published about their push to market tickets to lesbian fans.

        Tennis being overrepresented with lesbians is a leftover stereotype from the Martina Navratilova/Billie Jean King era. Almost all of the top players today are dating or married to men, many of them play up their femininity and good looks like Caroline Wozniacki, who was engaged to Rory McIlroy and is just got married to former NBA player David Lee. A few like Kim Clijsters and Viktoria Azarenka have taken time off to have babies.

        • Agree: Triumph104
        • Replies: @Art Deco
        King was married for 22 years, a bloc of time which included her entire professional career and touring amateur career. She's admitted she didn't have any interest in women in 1965. That came later. Her lesbianism was not a matter of public knowledge until the but-end of her career. (Her retirement was delayed because she had overdue legal bills to pay). Navratilova's best years (1978-87) included her bisexual period. The others they were jostling with at the top included Margaret Court (married for decades, with children), Evonne Goolagong (ditto), Tracy Austin (ditto), Steffi Graf (ditto). Chris Evert's decades-long history of sexual transgression (all with men) is well known. Virginia Wade's an old spinster; if she's a lesbian she refuses to make a public point of it.
        , @Truth

        Almost all of the top players today are dating or married to men,
         
        ...And most of the are men.
        , @midtown
        I was always a bit partial to Martina Hingis. Now that I look her up on Wikipedia, she went on to date and dump a number of guys only to finally marry a guy last year and immediately get pregnant, at age 38. Almost surely her first and last. Such a pity.
      8. Parenting Pro-Tip: if you have a daughter, gently nudge her toward voleyball.

        • Replies: @Walsh2
        And then get ready to pay a ton of money on travel ball and sit in cavernous event centers listening the young ladies on at least 20 separate courts grunt, scream, chant, and yell. Parenting Pro Tip No. 2: Don't over imbibe the night prior to one of these tournaments.

        Kidding aside, I was thrilled my daughter chose volleyball in high school over the other sports she played as a young kid and would also recommend it.

        Additionally, if I knew what a racket youth sports was I could have saved a lot of time, money, and lost hours studying for bar exams and just started a travel league. It really is amazing how much parents are expected o pay for kids sports.
        , @Paul Jolliffe
        Jon said
        "Parenting Pro-Tip: if you have a daughter, gently nudge her toward voleyball."

        As a veteran volley - dad myself, I say: push hard toward volleyball.

        I have been to hundreds of matches in highly competitive settings.

        99% of the young women are indeed "Daddy's girls" - competitive, friendly, social, confident, athletic and - generally - taller than average. The girls on the teams whom I've known are also very intelligent.

        Travel volleyball involves a lot of hotel stays, lots of practice time, lots of travel time and lots of time around highly-competitive, ambitious parents, but who, for the most part, are not as insanely prone to the delusions that their kids will make a living playing on the pro circuit as say, travel baseball parents are.

        All of this tends to make travel volleyball far less "diverse" than many other activities that a daughter might pursue.

        (As Steve would say, "Is that a bug, or a feature?")
        , @GW
        If you have a daughter, strongly nudge her toward feminine hobbies and activities (baking, decorating, interior design, etc.) and away from competitive sports, particularly sports at any serious level.
      9. Trans-gender athletes weren’t as acceptable in womens’ sports at the inception of the league as they are now, so they had to cultivate actual cis-gender females with the most testosterone.

      10. Those lesbians are going to be real angry when the chicks with dicks crowd starts playing.

        • LOL: Thea
        • Replies: @Jon
        Technically, they are dudes with tits.
      11. The first paragraph of the NYT link in your tweet talks about TomboyX, a gender-neutral underwear line that sells bras … gender-neutral bras … we really do live in clown world.

      12. @Lars Porsena
        Isn't women's sports in general like that? At a (semi) pro level, anyway.

        Women's golf and tennis are full of them, aren't they? Some quick googling says 66-75% of the players in the women's soccer world cup.

        Women may play sports especially at high school or recreational level, but most people don't take women's sports all that seriously like a professional would, besides the lesbian feminist types.

        The real question is how long will it take for most of them to be chucked out and replaced by trannies.

        No. Women’s soccer, for example, has some pretty, feminine players like Julie Ertz, who’s married to NFL tight end Zach Ertz. Tennis has lots of pretty, feminine women like Genie Bouchard.

        • Replies: @Marty
        He's right about the crowds, though. I went to a Tennis semi-final in Oakland in the Sabbatini years, and the average weight of the female fans was 180.
        , @Fredrik
        That must be an American thing. The Swedish(and other European) teams are at least half lesbian. Possibly quite a bit more.
      13. Let them eat Angry Lesbian Wedding Cake!

      14. At one point, in elite girls softball, there was a thing where the straight girls would wear make-up on the field to differentiate themselves.

      15. Are there any womens’ pro baseball or softball leagues I don’t know about?

        I’m told the ladies of the diamond lean towards the Sapphic side.

        • Replies: @Jon
        I dated a girl for a bit who played softball in college. She was literally the onky straight girl on the team, and tuere was a lot of pressure to not be that. She ended up quitting.
      16. All women’s hobbies from Golf to Basketball to Feminism end up with butch lesbians at the vanguard. It’s the extra testosterone. If there was some self-awareness, the feminists might scratch their heads and think – why is our movement lead by people most like men?

        • Agree: GermanReader2, fish
      17. How long until a biological male, whose NBA dreams were unrealized and becomes a “star” in the WNBA after facial features are softened a bit?

        Ditto golf, tennis, soccer.

      18. @Jon
        Parenting Pro-Tip: if you have a daughter, gently nudge her toward voleyball.

        And then get ready to pay a ton of money on travel ball and sit in cavernous event centers listening the young ladies on at least 20 separate courts grunt, scream, chant, and yell. Parenting Pro Tip No. 2: Don’t over imbibe the night prior to one of these tournaments.

        Kidding aside, I was thrilled my daughter chose volleyball in high school over the other sports she played as a young kid and would also recommend it.

        Additionally, if I knew what a racket youth sports was I could have saved a lot of time, money, and lost hours studying for bar exams and just started a travel league. It really is amazing how much parents are expected o pay for kids sports.

        • Replies: @midtown
        Of course, every club is different, but I worked for many years with a non-profit club VB program, and we kept our costs to an absolute minimum. In fact, we made no money at all on the travel program; only the local development programs made anything. Even then, a season of travel volleyball for a modest schedule was about $1000, not including hotel or travel expenses. Renting half-decent practice space was always a big money drain.
      19. @Jon
        Parenting Pro-Tip: if you have a daughter, gently nudge her toward voleyball.

        Jon said
        “Parenting Pro-Tip: if you have a daughter, gently nudge her toward voleyball.

        As a veteran volley – dad myself, I say: push hard toward volleyball.

        I have been to hundreds of matches in highly competitive settings.

        99% of the young women are indeed “Daddy’s girls” – competitive, friendly, social, confident, athletic and – generally – taller than average. The girls on the teams whom I’ve known are also very intelligent.

        Travel volleyball involves a lot of hotel stays, lots of practice time, lots of travel time and lots of time around highly-competitive, ambitious parents, but who, for the most part, are not as insanely prone to the delusions that their kids will make a living playing on the pro circuit as say, travel baseball parents are.

        All of this tends to make travel volleyball far less “diverse” than many other activities that a daughter might pursue.

        (As Steve would say, “Is that a bug, or a feature?”)

      20. Isn’t part of the reason simply that tall elegant daddy’s girls with a track record of competitive success soon find better job and family life prospects than the constant travel of a sports league?

      21. Does it matter? Who watches it anyway?

      22. Like the other fellow (forgive my forgetting your name), I wish Our Angry Lesbians well against the Angry Lesbians of the World…I guess…but in light of the growing awareness of Asians and Africans sneaking in through Mexico, I wanted to call attention to this chestnut of investigative reporting by Fred Mamoun’s team doing God’s work yet somehow not yet Unpersoned; the topic is Hindoos scamming the family courts to get green-cards. Don’t miss the overheard coaching by lawyers and the admonitions by appellate courts to family court judges who, actually being ethical, do dare to assess the credibility of the liars….

        GloboHomo: Resistance is Futile!

      23. Women’s golf (now) is almost completely dominated by S. Koreans, but few if any of the ones I’ve seen strike me as lesbos (no pun intended).

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

        Women’s golf (now) is almost completely dominated by S. Koreans, but few if any of the ones I’ve seen strike me as lesbos (no pun intended)
         
        In their case, it's an almost entirely environmental phenomenon, as with women's tennis in Moscow. They're the product of an efficient factory system, not a natural winnowing of innate traits and desires.

        Thus, they are much closer to a cross-section of the female population.

        It's like women's soccer here. There is absolutely no innate advantage to our women, or Scandinavia's or China's, over those in the men's powerhouse countries. The difference lies in the effort put into the sport by their nations.
      24. @Dave Pinsen
        No. Women’s soccer, for example, has some pretty, feminine players like Julie Ertz, who’s married to NFL tight end Zach Ertz. Tennis has lots of pretty, feminine women like Genie Bouchard.

        He’s right about the crowds, though. I went to a Tennis semi-final in Oakland in the Sabbatini years, and the average weight of the female fans was 180.

      25. Pay is shockingly low in WNBA so it’s self-selection. NBA got Dave Berri fired from Forbes for arguing that WNBA players were underpaid.

      26. Skiing is still good.

        Mikaela Shiffrin celebrating

        Lindsey Vonn getting her picture taken

        • Agree: Autochthon
        • Replies: @Abe
        I enjoy watching men’s Olympic Super-G skiing - as something I’d love to be doing myself if I could, rather than because I’m a fan of the professionals. Anyway, that image nicely cleanses my mental palette after 12 years of seeing Bodie Miller’s soy body in Willy Wonka-colored skin suits.
        , @Truth
        High navel, broad shoulders, large head, and ho hips, Old Sod...
        , @The Wild Geese Howard
        Vonn is toxic and best forgotten.
        , @Neil Templeton
        Like the extra effort by the guy in the green.
      27. anon[142] • Disclaimer says:

        This is why I’ve been somewhat moderate on the transexual thing. Despite the mass outrage from social conservatives, after years of toxic feminism and being put down for my supposed white male privilege, I can’t say I’m all too sorry for these types getting kicked out of the male spaces they invaded and made worse … and still try to invade with efforts to integrate scouting and golf. And to answer Steve’s question, it’s likely a combination of factors: 1) meritocracy; the best players in any athletic event where power and stamina come into play will tend toward masculine features, perhaps lesbianism, as a result 2) feminism; it is somewhat taboo for girls to be seen with traditional families but there is no such social taboo for lesbians – indeed, such acts are encouraged by the media 3) the nature of the sport; size matters just as much as skill in basketball, so you’re not going to see as many normal females 4) basic biology; women aren’t attracted to competitive sports like men are, so the recruitment pool will tend to bias outliers within the population 5) salary competition; traditional females can probably make as much or more money elsewhere, so many don’t bother with the WNBA

      28. NCAA womens basketball seems as overwhelmingly black as the men’s game. At least based on my impressions walking past the TV set in our corporate gym. I’m seeing the players actually on the court; the benchwarmers and “swimmies” might be more white.

      29. The WNBA looks like an example of virtue signaling meeting the bottom line. I remember when the league was launched, I followed the NBA back then, and I don’t recall any public groundswell for a woman’s league. It was promoted like broccoli, something that’s supposed to be good for us. We would become better people if we followed a woman’s league with as much enthusiasm as we follow the men’s league. David Stern gave us this opportunity, all we had to do was say yes, but America said no to our eternal shame. Maybe all these new Congolese “asylum seekers” will know the correct way to appreciate a woman’s basketball league.

        • Agree: R.G. Camara
        • Replies: @AnotherDad

        The WNBA looks like an example of virtue signaling meeting the bottom line. I remember when the league was launched, I followed the NBA back then, and I don’t recall any public groundswell for a woman’s league. It was promoted like broccoli, something that’s supposed to be good for us. We would become better people if we followed a woman’s league with as much enthusiasm as we follow the men’s league. David Stern gave us this opportunity, all we had to do was say yes, but America said no to our eternal shame. Maybe all these new Congolese “asylum seekers” will know the correct way to appreciate a woman’s basketball league.
         
        This.

        Back in the day we got the "eat your vegetables" message from Protestant church ladies.

        They certainly haven't gone away, but in all matters "diversity" related they've been far, far surpassed the past 50-60 years by the Jews. This was just David Stern doing some Jewish progressive "eat your broccoli" finger waging at benighted, backward goymerica.

        Don't be confused that it's always "all about the Benjamins". Hollyweird's Jews have also shown a willingness to pass on making more money--not personally, but for the studios--in some cases seriously denting the profitability of lucrative franchises in order to jam PC diversity into this that and other thing. There are a lot of true-believers who find no greater joy than "virtue" signalling and pissing on whitey.
        , @Barnard
        I remember the pitch from the NBA in the early days of the WNBA being something like, "if you want to watch sound, fundamental basketball, watch the WNBA." They were trying to appeal to their fans who were disgusted by the style of players like Allen Iverson and Stephon Marbury and the NBA's arbitrary enforcement of traveling/palming rules. Needless to say, that was not a successful marketing pitch.
      30. @Barnard
        I don't know why David Stern ever would have thought the WNBA would be tall and elegant daddy's girls. Division I women's college basketball is not daddy's girls and wasn't that way in the late 90s either. Sue Bird(star at UConn in late 90s) types have been the norm. A few years ago, there was a former player who talked about the social pressure to become a lesbian within the league, I don't doubt that starts at the college level. Within a couple of years of the WNBA starting, there were articles being published about their push to market tickets to lesbian fans.

        Tennis being overrepresented with lesbians is a leftover stereotype from the Martina Navratilova/Billie Jean King era. Almost all of the top players today are dating or married to men, many of them play up their femininity and good looks like Caroline Wozniacki, who was engaged to Rory McIlroy and is just got married to former NBA player David Lee. A few like Kim Clijsters and Viktoria Azarenka have taken time off to have babies.

        King was married for 22 years, a bloc of time which included her entire professional career and touring amateur career. She’s admitted she didn’t have any interest in women in 1965. That came later. Her lesbianism was not a matter of public knowledge until the but-end of her career. (Her retirement was delayed because she had overdue legal bills to pay). Navratilova’s best years (1978-87) included her bisexual period. The others they were jostling with at the top included Margaret Court (married for decades, with children), Evonne Goolagong (ditto), Tracy Austin (ditto), Steffi Graf (ditto). Chris Evert’s decades-long history of sexual transgression (all with men) is well known. Virginia Wade’s an old spinster; if she’s a lesbian she refuses to make a public point of it.

        • Replies: @Sean
        Virginia Wade was already a spinster when she won Wimbledon, she was decrepit by todays standards. And a dwarf. That Belgian Henin-Hardenne was the last normal size champ of the womens game. Too many big girls came in , even Joely Richardson spent two years at a tennis academy in Florida. Think of the East Europeans Petra Kvitová, Victoria Azarenka, and Maria Sharapova, all six feet or taller.

        Anyway, Lesbians tend to be a bit stronger and more into competitive sports so they dominate women's sports that lack massive popular participation. But when there is a flood of women among who are exceptional physical specimens (ie much bigger and stronger than average then you get hetro giraffe girls, who seem to have a advantage on drugs too. It's a power sport now,
        , @Duke84
        Venus and Serena Williams are also straight.
      31. For their arrogance and ingratitude the WNBA deserves to get trannied. Serve them right to have a horde of testosterone pumped man-girls descend upon the league.

      32. My pet theory is that a long ring finger is a great advantage in handling the basketball and shooting the basketball accurately at the point of release. We know that digit ratio is correlated with homosexual behavior (gestational exposure to testosterone), so women who can: a) handle the basketball; b) shoot the basketball; and c) are aggressive/competitive and sports oriented will select for women who can be attracted to women.

        Even the women’s basketball players who don’t butch it up wind up being with other women. For example, I thought Elena Delle Donne was fairly good looking for 6’5″ – but her digit ratio is male:

        And then she wound up marrying a woman:

        • Replies: @Joe Joe
        is that Susan Boyle in the middle???
        , @donut
        She married someone with Down's Syndrome ? Ahhhh ( in the cute pet manner ) .
        , @Galactic Overlord
        Actually, I think there's a good chance that the woman to EDD's right (from the viewer's perspective) is her older sister Lizzie, who has multiple disabilities. Specifically, Lizzie is autistic, has cerebral palsy, and is blind and deaf. (Many stories on EDD detail Lizzie's situation.)

        As for other people in the picture, I'd guess her parents are on the far left—dad is 6-6, mom is 6-2—and her older brother Gene (between Lizzie and EDD in age) is on the far right (6-6; played tight end for Duke and Middle Tennessee).
      33. @Lars Porsena
        Isn't women's sports in general like that? At a (semi) pro level, anyway.

        Women's golf and tennis are full of them, aren't they? Some quick googling says 66-75% of the players in the women's soccer world cup.

        Women may play sports especially at high school or recreational level, but most people don't take women's sports all that seriously like a professional would, besides the lesbian feminist types.

        The real question is how long will it take for most of them to be chucked out and replaced by trannies.

        Women’s golf and tennis are full of them, aren’t they? Some quick googling says 66-75% of the players in the women’s soccer world cup.

        At the USA Softball later teen levels it (lesbianism in the ranks) is referred to “40 Percentin….”

      34. @peterike

        Why did it instead become the Angry Lesbians League?

         
        Because night follows day, Steve.

        OT: Did anyone notice that Trump said he thinks he knows who did 9/11? Most interesting.

        He will probably say it’s Iran.

        If he really had to say the truth, his head would explode, especially after Trump Heights has been inaugurated in a piece of land that belongs to Syria that the US said Israel can have.

      35. Angry lesbians league from day one.

        Maybe they’ve gotten louder lately?

      36. I don’t know if there are really a lot of lesbians in tennis anymore, there were in the 70’s and 80’s no doubt, but by the late 80’s the top players like Graf, Seles, and Sabatini were increasingly straight. The French player Amelie Mauresmo was in the 2000s, she won two grand slams in 2006, and was No. 1 in the world in her late 20s, but within a few years she had retired. She was Andy Murray’s coach for a while and I have read had she has had two kids recently, but no mention of a father, so I assume IVF. Golf now seems dominated by Asian females.

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

        The French player Amelie Mauresmo was in the 2000s, she won two grand slams in 2006, and was No. 1 in the world in her late 20s, but within a few years she had retired. She was Andy Murray’s coach for a while...
         
        He was lucky to escape having Thomas Hamilton as a mentor.
        , @midtown
        Had no idea Mauresmo had had children. The few articles I read about it were steadfastly incurious about how it had come about. Not even a hint of father, IVF, or what. So now those two kids are purposefully going to not have a dad.
      37. @Lars Porsena
        Isn't women's sports in general like that? At a (semi) pro level, anyway.

        Women's golf and tennis are full of them, aren't they? Some quick googling says 66-75% of the players in the women's soccer world cup.

        Women may play sports especially at high school or recreational level, but most people don't take women's sports all that seriously like a professional would, besides the lesbian feminist types.

        The real question is how long will it take for most of them to be chucked out and replaced by trannies.

        The real question is how long will it take for most of them to be chucked out and replaced by trannies.

        That would probably be the best opportunity for femininity to be back in style in the league, actually.

      38. @Lars Porsena
        Isn't women's sports in general like that? At a (semi) pro level, anyway.

        Women's golf and tennis are full of them, aren't they? Some quick googling says 66-75% of the players in the women's soccer world cup.

        Women may play sports especially at high school or recreational level, but most people don't take women's sports all that seriously like a professional would, besides the lesbian feminist types.

        The real question is how long will it take for most of them to be chucked out and replaced by trannies.

        I think it is pretty safe to say that some may already be trannies.

      39. There was a bit of a kerfluffle a few years back with Jennie Finch.

        She is a socially conservative heterosexual Christian lady. She was not all that happy with the lesbian image softball had.

        Ms. Finch was NOT the sort of woman to pose nude, or with few clothes. Instead, she did some glamour shots with her pitching wearing an evening dress.

        https://www.pinterest.com/pin/11751648997485468/

        Apparently a few of the lesbians in the softball scene took offense, incorrectly assuming she was trashing them by showing her feminine side. That was not her intention.

        To be fair, where I live is different. The hetero girls in the sports scene get along very well with the few lesbians around. From what I hear, in most places the hetero girls get along very well with the lesbians, but I have heard there are a few colleges in this country where non-lesbians don’t do very well.

        • Replies: @Citizen of a Silly Country
        Back in the early 90s, there was an incident at my university's softball team. Apparently, the team was known as a lesbian team, but some new player didn't get the memo. The straight girl was harassed to the point of quitting the team but complained about it the school and local newspaper. The reporters seemed a bit confused as to whose side to take. Lesbians = good. Harassment = bad. Does not compute.
        , @ScarletNumber
        Generally speaking, basketball has nothing on softball when it comes to lesbianism. Visit your local D-I college to verify this. The irony about Finch is that she isn't attractive compared to most women. It's just that as a straight softball player she stands out.
        , @Fredrik

        To be fair, where I live is different. The hetero girls in the sports scene get along very well with the few lesbians around. From what I hear, in most places the hetero girls get along very well with the lesbians, but I have heard there are a few colleges in this country where non-lesbians don’t do very well.
         
        The logic is obvious. Normies get along with the weirdos but the other way isn't true.
      40. Why? Because contrary the constant propaganda we receive from the media, most women have little interest in professional sports. Lesbians are an exception and hence they comprise the core fan base of WNBA.

        It’s also my observation that a large number of lesbians are permanently angry. To wit the lesbian couple who live down the street from me. Despite having what appears to be a great life (they live a good neighborhood, have a fine mulatto son (they’re both white) and have me as neighbor!), they both always have a scowl on their faces.

      41. Abe says:
        @Buzz Mohawk
        Skiing is still good.

        Mikaela Shiffrin celebrating
        https://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Mikaela_Shiffrin_American_flag-e1518703343720.jpg

        Lindsey Vonn getting her picture taken
        https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/celebrities/lindsey-vonn/sports-illustrated-swimsuit-2010/Lindsey-Vonn---SI-Swimsuit-2010-24.jpg

        I enjoy watching men’s Olympic Super-G skiing – as something I’d love to be doing myself if I could, rather than because I’m a fan of the professionals. Anyway, that image nicely cleanses my mental palette after 12 years of seeing Bodie Miller’s soy body in Willy Wonka-colored skin suits.

      42. Possibly related phenom: Why are 95% of female gym teachers, for middle schools and high schools, as well as virtually any female college sports coach, lesbian?

        • Replies: @peterike

        Why are 95% of female gym teachers, for middle schools and high schools, as well as virtually any female college sports coach, lesbian?
         
        For the same reason that Willie Sutton robbed banks.
      43. OT: Lulz in the New Wokeland as Jewish Outrage goes into the red zone because Israel disappears off the map.

        Maybe an omen. Now would be the time to consult the I Ching.

        New Zealand government website erases Israel from map, replaces it with Palestine

        The government website published the map as part of a fact sheet about Palestinian immigrants in New Zealand, showing Israel highlighted in blue and marked as ‘Palestine’. The West Bank is not included in the highlighted area.

        The Israel Institute of New Zealand called on the immigration minister to “immediately apologize for the offending image and confirm that it does not reflect government policy.” It also called for an investigation. [Schnell! Papier! Schwein!!]

        The institute’s director, Ashley Church, described the map as “incredibly offensive and the equivalent of New Zealand Immigration displaying a map of the UK which removed Scotland and Wales and referred to the entirety of the British Isles as England,” the Jewish News reports. [As if anyone made the difference anymore]

        • Replies: @Art Deco
        So, are the employees of that particular ministry in New Zealand playing dumb or is it not an act?
        , @Jon

        a map of the UK which removed Scotland and Wales and referred to the entirety of the British Isles as England,” the Jewish News reports. [As if anyone made the difference anymore]
         
        Plenty of maps that do exactly that. Also, for the analogy to work, it would have to be a map referring to the whole UK as Wales.
      44. “Angry lesbian” is intersectionality at work. Its the adopted African baby of lesbian jock and Angry Black Woman baller. A lot of resentment and hostility toward normal in the gay and black “community”. The NBA went full ghetto and the WMBA went gay ghetto, angry that while ghetto is cool, gay ghetto is just kinda gross.

        Back in early ‘00s A friend played for the LA Sparks. They had multiple community/PR outreach events that were wither directly (at a gay bar) or indirectly (at the invite of some lgbtqiap group) pandering to the lesbian audience.

        She was not gay. Hated every minute. But also worth noting, many NCAA schools are well known for being “pro gay” to the point of being hostile toward straight women.

        Several “top” schools even. A head coach is openly gay and staffs up other openly gay coaches and recruits a disproportionately gay class or two and that becomes the culture. It is a big factor for many women selecting schools. So it starts well before the WNBA.

        It is an extension of title ix. Women are minorities. Gays are minorities. The double victim branding cannot be called into question so it becomes an entitled and hostile beast. The culture of the petulant child is no surprise.

        The league new nobody really wanted the WNBA but like all those womens rugby teams starting up at the cost of shutting down men’s swimming, a lack of demand is no reason to deny progress.

        The WNBA is a Virtue signaling tribute tax to the progressive gods. So while the NBA has drifted increasingly ghetto, so goes the WNBA.

        But while thug culture has a wide market appeal, it is distinctly male hetero. WNBA lesbians may control the culture of their sport but they can’t make it attractive to the normy market. So: angry!

        • Agree: Simply Simon
        • Replies: @Anonymous

        Women are minorities.
         
        They are in fact a slight majority. Moreso when a good war breaks out.
      45. @Unladen Swallow
        I don't know if there are really a lot of lesbians in tennis anymore, there were in the 70's and 80's no doubt, but by the late 80's the top players like Graf, Seles, and Sabatini were increasingly straight. The French player Amelie Mauresmo was in the 2000s, she won two grand slams in 2006, and was No. 1 in the world in her late 20s, but within a few years she had retired. She was Andy Murray's coach for a while and I have read had she has had two kids recently, but no mention of a father, so I assume IVF. Golf now seems dominated by Asian females.

        The French player Amelie Mauresmo was in the 2000s, she won two grand slams in 2006, and was No. 1 in the world in her late 20s, but within a few years she had retired. She was Andy Murray’s coach for a while…

        He was lucky to escape having Thomas Hamilton as a mentor.

      46. You probably don’t read any liberal message boards but I like to perform opposition intelligence gathering. This is not made up but actual real data:

        many people think the salary of the WNBA players compared to the NBA players is sex discrimination and patriarchy which must be destroyed by any means necessary. THOT that interviewed JP on BBC Channel 4 and telling him women are paid less than men? She likely thinks this is an excellent example!

        • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

        many people think the salary of the WNBA players compared to the NBA players is sex discrimination and patriarchy which must be destroyed by any means necessary. THOT that interviewed JP on BBC Channel 4 and telling him women are paid less than men? She likely thinks this is an excellent example!
         
        Doesn't the NBA subsidize the WNBA including its players' salaries by way of . . . excess revenue from the NBA?

        In other words, it's not that the women are paid less compared with NBA players as cause for complaint - they're actually being paid gratis from the labor of the NBA players and it still isn't enough!
        , @Thea
        The league ought to be forced to these ladies NBA salaries good and hard. As well as the MtoF players to come. Every red cent.
      47. Some of it is that it’s hard for extremely tall women to find male partners. Part of it is the extraordinary number of black lesbians.

        Black women are the least desirable women, on average. Their men don’t much want them. The men of other races don’t want them. And given the number of irresponsible black men, black men in prison, etc, they may not have all that much respect for their own men anyway. Best case scenario they get a child or two and rarely see the guy again.

        Even 6’8 men of their own race aren’t that interested. (Look at all the biracial NBA players with former NBA player fathers). Also, when the fellas brothers a little money they seem very skittish about gold-digger types from the ‘hood ( not that a significant number of white groupies aren’t after the cash).

        Black culture pampers their men, makes excuses for them, overpraises them. Their women are like mules, do all the work, keep families afloat, etc. The ‘andogyny’ isn’t all that surprising in this context, taking on the appearance along with the responsibilities.

        Black men are very often momma’s boys, but they’re also afraid of said mamas (corporal punishment being a point of pride in the ‘Community’) and don’t necessarily want to live with another one when they leave home, esp. given the status of a white woman partner among their peers.

        • Replies: @Barnard

        Their women are like mules, do all the work, keep families afloat, etc.
         
        It is a typical story for a black pro football or basketball player for his single mother to demand a high level of financial support from him once he hits the pros. A house in a middle class neighborhood and money for ongoing upkeep are a typical demand. Former NFL cornerback Phillip Buchanon wrote in a book that his mother's first words to him after he was drafted were, "you owe me $1 million for raising you." He went on to say his home life was so bad he spent his senior year of high school living with friends rather than staying in her home. These women learn how to game the system, but they typically don't "work like mules." They don't get near the level of blame they deserve for the state of the black family.
      48. “Why did it instead become the Angry Lesbians League?”

        Grasping for clickbait. Slow day at the Bit Coin collection till?

        • Replies: @Anonymous
        He didn't even bother to address the obvious explanation to his own "discovery," which is that homo women will actively participate in a sports org and buy the tickets, whereas straight women don't care unless a father/BF is prodding them and don't pay for anything. This is a customer effect, not input. Tall feminine women who can plausibly play basketball exist. But when low IQ fathers push their daughters to WNBA the latter see no market waiting for Kournikovas and Danica Patricks in that league. So the non-diesel daughter will naturally wonder what's the point.
        , @Charles Erwin Wilson 3

        Grasping for clickbait. Slow day at the Bit Coin collection till
         
        I had no idea that is how you make your living.
      49. Sounds like a bunch of men who want to see T&A. Go to a strip club not a sporting event.

        • Disagree: YetAnotherAnon
      50. @flyingtiger
        You will note that there are no angry lesbians in woman's beach volleyball.

        You will note that there are no angry lesbians in woman’s beach volleyball.

        There is hardly anything covering their private parts except cameras.

      51. @Paleo Liberal
        There was a bit of a kerfluffle a few years back with Jennie Finch.

        She is a socially conservative heterosexual Christian lady. She was not all that happy with the lesbian image softball had.

        Ms. Finch was NOT the sort of woman to pose nude, or with few clothes. Instead, she did some glamour shots with her pitching wearing an evening dress.

        https://www.pinterest.com/pin/11751648997485468/

        Apparently a few of the lesbians in the softball scene took offense, incorrectly assuming she was trashing them by showing her feminine side. That was not her intention.

        To be fair, where I live is different. The hetero girls in the sports scene get along very well with the few lesbians around. From what I hear, in most places the hetero girls get along very well with the lesbians, but I have heard there are a few colleges in this country where non-lesbians don't do very well.

        Back in the early 90s, there was an incident at my university’s softball team. Apparently, the team was known as a lesbian team, but some new player didn’t get the memo. The straight girl was harassed to the point of quitting the team but complained about it the school and local newspaper. The reporters seemed a bit confused as to whose side to take. Lesbians = good. Harassment = bad. Does not compute.

        • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
        I have read forum posts by the fathers of some female college athletes.

        One possible problem is being the straight girl on the lesbian team. (In some cases, the lesbian girl on the straight team is discriminated against).

        Another problem is some teams party hardy. I read a post by a guy whose daughter wound up transferring because she was harassed for not being a heavy party girl.
      52. @pyrrhus
        Fortunately, since the WNBA's fan base and viewership are both close to zero, hardly anybody knows this....I sometimes ask my sports fan friends to name one WNBA franchise by team name...They can't do it..

        My local team is the New York Liberty, but I’m not sure how many more I can name. Most of the names used to be derivative of the NBA team, so that helped, i.e. Houston Comets, who no longer exist in spite of winning the first 4 WNBA titles.

        The Knicks no longer own the Liberty, so they no longer have the right to play in Madison Square Garden. Therefore, they now play in the 5000 seat building that the Knicks G-League team plays in.

      53. @Paleo Liberal
        There was a bit of a kerfluffle a few years back with Jennie Finch.

        She is a socially conservative heterosexual Christian lady. She was not all that happy with the lesbian image softball had.

        Ms. Finch was NOT the sort of woman to pose nude, or with few clothes. Instead, she did some glamour shots with her pitching wearing an evening dress.

        https://www.pinterest.com/pin/11751648997485468/

        Apparently a few of the lesbians in the softball scene took offense, incorrectly assuming she was trashing them by showing her feminine side. That was not her intention.

        To be fair, where I live is different. The hetero girls in the sports scene get along very well with the few lesbians around. From what I hear, in most places the hetero girls get along very well with the lesbians, but I have heard there are a few colleges in this country where non-lesbians don't do very well.

        Generally speaking, basketball has nothing on softball when it comes to lesbianism. Visit your local D-I college to verify this. The irony about Finch is that she isn’t attractive compared to most women. It’s just that as a straight softball player she stands out.

      54. @Dave Pinsen
        No. Women’s soccer, for example, has some pretty, feminine players like Julie Ertz, who’s married to NFL tight end Zach Ertz. Tennis has lots of pretty, feminine women like Genie Bouchard.

        That must be an American thing. The Swedish(and other European) teams are at least half lesbian. Possibly quite a bit more.

      55. @Jon
        Parenting Pro-Tip: if you have a daughter, gently nudge her toward voleyball.

        If you have a daughter, strongly nudge her toward feminine hobbies and activities (baking, decorating, interior design, etc.) and away from competitive sports, particularly sports at any serious level.

        • Agree: R.G. Camara
        • Replies: @Fredrik
        The point of sending your daughter to organized sports is the alternative cost of not doing that.

        What would the daughter be doing then and who would she meet? Not necessarily agreeing but that's how it's justified.
        , @Desiderius
        They don't need the nudge, but yeah. Sports ain't where it's at.
        , @S. Anonyia
        A girl who gets into baking and decorating will get fat. Cooking is a better hobby than baking. Baking is easy, cooking is harder and also a good skill.

        Americans should consume fewer sweets.

        If you are going to be anti-sports for your daughter (which is dumb since it keeps kids fit for life and most don’t go pro anyway) why not at least suggest useful or impressive skills? Art, piano, violin, gourmet cooking, hiking, fishing, gardening etc

        Baking and interior decorating are not really skills, anyone can do them. That’s like telling a boy to improve himself by getting really into video games.
        , @Thea
        Sports can help prevent obesity. It’s more about setting habits and positive attitudes towards staying fit.
        , @ATBOTL
        Strongly agree. It's become very common in recent years for white female college athletes to have sexual relationships with black athletes. Colleges today push all the athletes together socially in a way they didn't a generation ago. They have all these joint social activities and shared training facilities and housing. You have situations where the male athletes are mostly black, due to the huge football roster and the female athletes are mostly white and they are being aggressively pushed together.

        It's exactly the kind of situation that a sane white society would go to any length to avoid.

        Look at recent college sex scandals -- white female athletes showing up over and over. Look at the Baylor rapes, that case in Utah where a black ex-con killed one of his several white college girlfriends etc.
        , @Chris Mallory
        You are an idiot. My daughter bakes, decorates, and sews. She also plays basketball and volleyball, runs cross country and is a TKD blackbelt. No need to nudge her into anything. She is a well rounded young lady.
        , @BB753
        If you have a daughter, keep her away from College altogether. That way she won't become an angry lesbian or sleep with the entire football team.
        , @Eric Novak
        So you advocate for the transformation of young women into unmarriageable bloated physical degenerates beyond what they are now?
      56. @Paleo Liberal
        There was a bit of a kerfluffle a few years back with Jennie Finch.

        She is a socially conservative heterosexual Christian lady. She was not all that happy with the lesbian image softball had.

        Ms. Finch was NOT the sort of woman to pose nude, or with few clothes. Instead, she did some glamour shots with her pitching wearing an evening dress.

        https://www.pinterest.com/pin/11751648997485468/

        Apparently a few of the lesbians in the softball scene took offense, incorrectly assuming she was trashing them by showing her feminine side. That was not her intention.

        To be fair, where I live is different. The hetero girls in the sports scene get along very well with the few lesbians around. From what I hear, in most places the hetero girls get along very well with the lesbians, but I have heard there are a few colleges in this country where non-lesbians don't do very well.

        To be fair, where I live is different. The hetero girls in the sports scene get along very well with the few lesbians around. From what I hear, in most places the hetero girls get along very well with the lesbians, but I have heard there are a few colleges in this country where non-lesbians don’t do very well.

        The logic is obvious. Normies get along with the weirdos but the other way isn’t true.

        • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
        Not necessarily.

        One of the local women's sporting clubs is run by a lesbian. The girls I've known who have played for that club are all straight. No issues at all.
      57. @Barnard
        I don't know why David Stern ever would have thought the WNBA would be tall and elegant daddy's girls. Division I women's college basketball is not daddy's girls and wasn't that way in the late 90s either. Sue Bird(star at UConn in late 90s) types have been the norm. A few years ago, there was a former player who talked about the social pressure to become a lesbian within the league, I don't doubt that starts at the college level. Within a couple of years of the WNBA starting, there were articles being published about their push to market tickets to lesbian fans.

        Tennis being overrepresented with lesbians is a leftover stereotype from the Martina Navratilova/Billie Jean King era. Almost all of the top players today are dating or married to men, many of them play up their femininity and good looks like Caroline Wozniacki, who was engaged to Rory McIlroy and is just got married to former NBA player David Lee. A few like Kim Clijsters and Viktoria Azarenka have taken time off to have babies.

        Almost all of the top players today are dating or married to men,

        …And most of the are men.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
        Word
        , @Duke84
        If they really were men they would be able to play against men and they obviously can't.
      58. @Buzz Mohawk
        Skiing is still good.

        Mikaela Shiffrin celebrating
        https://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Mikaela_Shiffrin_American_flag-e1518703343720.jpg

        Lindsey Vonn getting her picture taken
        https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/celebrities/lindsey-vonn/sports-illustrated-swimsuit-2010/Lindsey-Vonn---SI-Swimsuit-2010-24.jpg

        High navel, broad shoulders, large head, and ho hips, Old Sod…

      59. @GW
        If you have a daughter, strongly nudge her toward feminine hobbies and activities (baking, decorating, interior design, etc.) and away from competitive sports, particularly sports at any serious level.

        The point of sending your daughter to organized sports is the alternative cost of not doing that.

        What would the daughter be doing then and who would she meet? Not necessarily agreeing but that’s how it’s justified.

        • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
        Fredrik, There is nothing wrong with having your daughters play sports. One, it give them something to do that requires a time commitment (practice and games), good for when you go to work. And two, it gets them involved socially with other girls, students, that they probably would not have known otherwise. Three, it is a good point on a college application or resume'. My youngest daughter's resume that noted she was team captain on two sports, for two years, says alot about leadership. And three, who said their was anything wrong with being a lesbian?
      60. In general, all American sports have become more aggressively competitive with style taking a back seat. In football, it began with the 1985 Chicago Bears debuting one of the first 300 lb players, The Refrigerator Perry. In tennis, it was Bjorn Borg and Jimmy Connors in the 70’s who used sheer physical power and aluminum rackets to overwhelm their competitors. I’m not familiar with golf or basket ball, but I’m sure there were watershed players in those sports too who decided musculature and speed were more important than strategy. Women’s basketball just naturally started selecting for players with more testosterone and shorter index fingers who were capable of a faster tempo game. The angry lesbian basketball player and the male tennis player with 5 o’clock shadow at 1 pm just seem to be the evolutionary end products of live network sportscasting.

        • Replies: @Marquandian Hero
        I can't dispute your overall point, indeed, I agree, but think re. tennis you are thinking of Boris Becker, Lendl, and Sampras.

        Borg played with a wooden racquet (Donnay Borg and Bancroft Borg) until the end of his real career in 1982 (not counting the later early 90s matches, the first of which he also attempted to play with wood). Not a weak server but didn't really overwhelm so much as outlast and outplay. Connors had a steel racquet (Wilson T2000) and great groundstrokes but actually had a pretty weak serve. Rare to see a Connors ace more than once a set if I remember correctly. McEnroe and Roscoe Tanner had big serves but the real power game came in post 1985 and post-wood, with Becker, Lendl, Sampras, Agassi, and Courier.

        Just desserts when the tranny "women" take over women's play.
        , @ScarletNumber
        The irony of The Fridge is that if the 1985 version of him entered the NFL now, he would have just been called Bill Perry.
      61. @Ghost of Bull Moose
        Some of it is that it's hard for extremely tall women to find male partners. Part of it is the extraordinary number of black lesbians.

        Black women are the least desirable women, on average. Their men don't much want them. The men of other races don't want them. And given the number of irresponsible black men, black men in prison, etc, they may not have all that much respect for their own men anyway. Best case scenario they get a child or two and rarely see the guy again.

        Even 6'8 men of their own race aren't that interested. (Look at all the biracial NBA players with former NBA player fathers). Also, when the fellas brothers a little money they seem very skittish about gold-digger types from the 'hood ( not that a significant number of white groupies aren't after the cash).

        Black culture pampers their men, makes excuses for them, overpraises them. Their women are like mules, do all the work, keep families afloat, etc. The 'andogyny' isn't all that surprising in this context, taking on the appearance along with the responsibilities.

        Black men are very often momma's boys, but they're also afraid of said mamas (corporal punishment being a point of pride in the 'Community') and don't necessarily want to live with another one when they leave home, esp. given the status of a white woman partner among their peers.

        Their women are like mules, do all the work, keep families afloat, etc.

        It is a typical story for a black pro football or basketball player for his single mother to demand a high level of financial support from him once he hits the pros. A house in a middle class neighborhood and money for ongoing upkeep are a typical demand. Former NFL cornerback Phillip Buchanon wrote in a book that his mother’s first words to him after he was drafted were, “you owe me $1 million for raising you.” He went on to say his home life was so bad he spent his senior year of high school living with friends rather than staying in her home. These women learn how to game the system, but they typically don’t “work like mules.” They don’t get near the level of blame they deserve for the state of the black family.

        • Agree: Kylie
      62. “Grasping for clickbait. Slow day at the Bit Coin collection till?”

        Clickbait implies a misleading headline, so are you implying the WNBA isn’t filled with lesbians or are you just raving again because you didn’t take your meds? Lithium is cheap. You should look into it.

      63. A corollary to Conquest’s second law: Any organization not explicitly white heterosexual will sooner or later become globohomo.

        • Agree: Corn
      64. @peterike

        Why did it instead become the Angry Lesbians League?

         
        Because night follows day, Steve.

        OT: Did anyone notice that Trump said he thinks he knows who did 9/11? Most interesting.

        OT: Did anyone notice that Trump said he thinks he knows who did 9/11? Most interesting.

        Yeah, but don’t get too excited. He’s probably getting ready to pin it on Iran.

      65. @simple_pseudonymic_handle
        You probably don't read any liberal message boards but I like to perform opposition intelligence gathering. This is not made up but actual real data:

        many people think the salary of the WNBA players compared to the NBA players is sex discrimination and patriarchy which must be destroyed by any means necessary. THOT that interviewed JP on BBC Channel 4 and telling him women are paid less than men? She likely thinks this is an excellent example!

        many people think the salary of the WNBA players compared to the NBA players is sex discrimination and patriarchy which must be destroyed by any means necessary. THOT that interviewed JP on BBC Channel 4 and telling him women are paid less than men? She likely thinks this is an excellent example!

        Doesn’t the NBA subsidize the WNBA including its players’ salaries by way of . . . excess revenue from the NBA?

        In other words, it’s not that the women are paid less compared with NBA players as cause for complaint – they’re actually being paid gratis from the labor of the NBA players and it still isn’t enough!

        • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
        Of course, the Wikipedia WNBA page makes a big deal about how in recent seasons half of the teams in league didn't lose money, like it's a major accomplishment. A decade ago only one team was profitable, the team in Connecticut there to cash in on the popularity of UConn women's hoops and also a very wealthy state without any other pro sports teams.

        This is twenty years after the founding of the league, and they are just now breaking even at best, and they still complain about their salaries. No mens pro sports league ever did this badly financially and was still afloat after two decades, it's crazy.
        , @Forbes
        Tell the WNBA players that they get the same deal of the men's NBA--team salaries capped at roughly 50% of team ("basketball-related") revenues. See if they like that deal...
      66. @Fredrik
        The point of sending your daughter to organized sports is the alternative cost of not doing that.

        What would the daughter be doing then and who would she meet? Not necessarily agreeing but that's how it's justified.

        Fredrik, There is nothing wrong with having your daughters play sports. One, it give them something to do that requires a time commitment (practice and games), good for when you go to work. And two, it gets them involved socially with other girls, students, that they probably would not have known otherwise. Three, it is a good point on a college application or resume’. My youngest daughter’s resume that noted she was team captain on two sports, for two years, says alot about leadership. And three, who said their was anything wrong with being a lesbian?

        • Replies: @Desiderius
        Your nonexistent grandchildren.
        , @John Burns, Gettysburg Partisan
        Either this is sarcastic or it's serious nonsense. If the latter, then I thank you for your valuable input, dying boomer con.
        , @midtown
        The bible. Love your daughter but do not let that love cloud your view of reality.
        , @TWS
        If you don't see something wrong with your daughter being lesbian you've got blinders on.
        , @Joshua
        I was just going to leave this one, but seeing as you brought up God and prayer, I figure He should get to have the last say here.

        The good - you should still love your daughter even if she chooses depravity.

        The bad:

        Matthew 10:37-38 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

        Romans 1:26 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

        A daughter is a wonderful good, but a terrible god.
        , @anonymous
        The highly selective colleges use sports to select a large percentage of their female NAM admissions. Unfortunate but true. Buffalo Joe is quite right about it being good on a college application. His opinion regarding being a lesbian is another matter.
      67. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:
        @Corvinus
        "Why did it instead become the Angry Lesbians League?"

        Grasping for clickbait. Slow day at the Bit Coin collection till?

        He didn’t even bother to address the obvious explanation to his own “discovery,” which is that homo women will actively participate in a sports org and buy the tickets, whereas straight women don’t care unless a father/BF is prodding them and don’t pay for anything. This is a customer effect, not input. Tall feminine women who can plausibly play basketball exist. But when low IQ fathers push their daughters to WNBA the latter see no market waiting for Kournikovas and Danica Patricks in that league. So the non-diesel daughter will naturally wonder what’s the point.

        • Replies: @guest
        That was gobbledygook. You could theoretically field a male basketball team full of handsome model-actor types. There have been plenty of good-looking NBA-ers across the decades. However, while you're casting for beauty other teams are recruiting talent. Since no one buys tickets for losing teams, that strategy tends to be more successful.
      68. @GW
        If you have a daughter, strongly nudge her toward feminine hobbies and activities (baking, decorating, interior design, etc.) and away from competitive sports, particularly sports at any serious level.

        They don’t need the nudge, but yeah. Sports ain’t where it’s at.

      69. In 2002, they came out with a movie called Juwanna Mann about a guy who was banned from the NBA who then dressed up like a woman to play in the women’s pro league. How long before this really happens to the WNBA?

        • Replies: @Father O'Hara
        Tommy Davidson was pretty funny, I am reminded. The "man is sexually aroused by a man he thinks is a woman and pursues him doggedly" trope is always good for some laughs.
      70. @Art Deco
        King was married for 22 years, a bloc of time which included her entire professional career and touring amateur career. She's admitted she didn't have any interest in women in 1965. That came later. Her lesbianism was not a matter of public knowledge until the but-end of her career. (Her retirement was delayed because she had overdue legal bills to pay). Navratilova's best years (1978-87) included her bisexual period. The others they were jostling with at the top included Margaret Court (married for decades, with children), Evonne Goolagong (ditto), Tracy Austin (ditto), Steffi Graf (ditto). Chris Evert's decades-long history of sexual transgression (all with men) is well known. Virginia Wade's an old spinster; if she's a lesbian she refuses to make a public point of it.

        Virginia Wade was already a spinster when she won Wimbledon, she was decrepit by todays standards. And a dwarf. That Belgian Henin-Hardenne was the last normal size champ of the womens game. Too many big girls came in , even Joely Richardson spent two years at a tennis academy in Florida. Think of the East Europeans Petra Kvitová, Victoria Azarenka, and Maria Sharapova, all six feet or taller.

        Anyway, Lesbians tend to be a bit stronger and more into competitive sports so they dominate women’s sports that lack massive popular participation. But when there is a flood of women among who are exceptional physical specimens (ie much bigger and stronger than average then you get hetro giraffe girls, who seem to have a advantage on drugs too. It’s a power sport now,

      71. Girls should study ballet:

        • Replies: @guest
        Ya know, it's funny. There are a lot of movies, t.v. shows, and books about the exacting physical standards for high-level ballet. Weight being a big one, but also figure, height, length of various body parts, and so on. Which cause characters in drama no end of frustration.

        Not that they don't show physical struggle in sports movies, but we all know that if you're going to compete at the highest level there you're going to have to fit very precise physical standards. Which is why Olympians competing against each other in different events look like clones of eachother.

        In my experience sports drama doesn't make as big a deal of this aspect. You don't see girls crying because coach tells them their fingers aren't long enough for the WNBA.

        Except maybe figure skating or gymnastics, because they share with ballet the element of feminine beauty. Or at least gymnastics used to. A girl is more likely to be emotionally attached to the body parts that might make her a pretty swan than the ones that help her chuck balls through hoops.
      72. David Stern founded it in the 1990s, he presumably assumed it would be staffed by tall, elegant Daddy’s Girls, like high and college female basketball.

        Prominent Jews don’t seem to have a keen sense of how inflow and outflow of people with different characteristics can transform a given population.

        • Replies: @ScarletNumber
        Since the current commissioner is also Jewish, the NBA hasn't had a gentile commissioner since 1984, when it was Larry O'Brien. If that name sounds familiar, he was chairman of the DNC during Watergate. Therefore it was his office that was broken into that fateful night.
      73. Anonymous[206] • Disclaimer says:
        @Truth

        Almost all of the top players today are dating or married to men,
         
        ...And most of the are men.

        Word

      74. @Buzz Mohawk
        Skiing is still good.

        Mikaela Shiffrin celebrating
        https://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Mikaela_Shiffrin_American_flag-e1518703343720.jpg

        Lindsey Vonn getting her picture taken
        https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/celebrities/lindsey-vonn/sports-illustrated-swimsuit-2010/Lindsey-Vonn---SI-Swimsuit-2010-24.jpg

        Vonn is toxic and best forgotten.

        • Replies: @Autochthon
        I concur, but there was no "half-agree" option to praise Schiffrin without endorsing the shark....
      75. David Stern founded it in the 1990s, he presumably assumed it would be staffed by tall, elegant Daddy’s Girls, like high and college female basketball.

        Except nobody watches those either.

      76. @peterike

        Why did it instead become the Angry Lesbians League?

         
        Because night follows day, Steve.

        OT: Did anyone notice that Trump said he thinks he knows who did 9/11? Most interesting.

        “did anyone notice Trumpstein said he thinks he knows who did 9/11?”
        Iranian passports have been newly discovered at the WTC7 site?

      77. @Buffalo Joe
        Fredrik, There is nothing wrong with having your daughters play sports. One, it give them something to do that requires a time commitment (practice and games), good for when you go to work. And two, it gets them involved socially with other girls, students, that they probably would not have known otherwise. Three, it is a good point on a college application or resume'. My youngest daughter's resume that noted she was team captain on two sports, for two years, says alot about leadership. And three, who said their was anything wrong with being a lesbian?

        Your nonexistent grandchildren.

        • Replies: @Buffalo Joe
        Desi, I have one grand daughter who is adopted and I love her as I do the other four. I expect great things from her.
        , @Desiderius
        Good example here why third person (one) works better than second (you) for the general case. If I’d said, “One’s nonexistent grandchildren,”then he’s less likely to take it personally.
      78. @Citizen of a Silly Country
        Back in the early 90s, there was an incident at my university's softball team. Apparently, the team was known as a lesbian team, but some new player didn't get the memo. The straight girl was harassed to the point of quitting the team but complained about it the school and local newspaper. The reporters seemed a bit confused as to whose side to take. Lesbians = good. Harassment = bad. Does not compute.

        I have read forum posts by the fathers of some female college athletes.

        One possible problem is being the straight girl on the lesbian team. (In some cases, the lesbian girl on the straight team is discriminated against).

        Another problem is some teams party hardy. I read a post by a guy whose daughter wound up transferring because she was harassed for not being a heavy party girl.

      79. @Fredrik

        To be fair, where I live is different. The hetero girls in the sports scene get along very well with the few lesbians around. From what I hear, in most places the hetero girls get along very well with the lesbians, but I have heard there are a few colleges in this country where non-lesbians don’t do very well.
         
        The logic is obvious. Normies get along with the weirdos but the other way isn't true.

        Not necessarily.

        One of the local women’s sporting clubs is run by a lesbian. The girls I’ve known who have played for that club are all straight. No issues at all.

      80. Women’s soccer in the US used to be primarily heterosexual. Since soccer was the sport of choice for young girls, and the pool of players was so large, college teams were mostly feminine and attractive players weren’t rare.

        But my sense is that is changing. Someone on Twitter mentioned that once there is a pro league, and the talent is sifted into finer and finer layers, the more masculine players come to the forefront and dominate. That makes sense. Perhaps the WNBA — and now the NWSL — highlight the gay players and girls who aren’t gay self-select out?

        Plus, it’s cool to be gay in our culture today and so very boring to be heterosexual and married. That’s why Megan Rapinoe’s silly protest gets the attention, and Alex Morgan has been pushed out of the limelight.

        One thing is certain: The fan bases for these sports are VERY lesbian. I found that out once when googling a USWNT player. Came across a huge site which was nothing more than fan fiction/gossip about which women soccer players were dating each other, complete with GIFs of goal celebration hugs, etc.

        These people aren’t fans of the sport. They are more like groupies.

      81. @GW
        If you have a daughter, strongly nudge her toward feminine hobbies and activities (baking, decorating, interior design, etc.) and away from competitive sports, particularly sports at any serious level.

        A girl who gets into baking and decorating will get fat. Cooking is a better hobby than baking. Baking is easy, cooking is harder and also a good skill.

        Americans should consume fewer sweets.

        If you are going to be anti-sports for your daughter (which is dumb since it keeps kids fit for life and most don’t go pro anyway) why not at least suggest useful or impressive skills? Art, piano, violin, gourmet cooking, hiking, fishing, gardening etc

        Baking and interior decorating are not really skills, anyone can do them. That’s like telling a boy to improve himself by getting really into video games.

        • Replies: @stillCARealist
        wow you're pretty hardcore there. Girls should have their femininity encouraged, but those with athletic talent shouldn't be held back simply because the parents are worried that they'll turn out queer. Forcing a girl to express more femininity than God gave her will just produce rebellion.

        Oh, and all that "I'm a lesbian" stuff is largely rebellion. When most of these women finally meet a guy who likes them despite all their issues, they'll jump on him.

        Agree about the baking. It's sugar and eggs and flour and butter and more sugar. Delicious, but quite fattening. Gardening is a dying art and it should be encouraged for all kids much more than it is.
      82. @Buffalo Joe
        Fredrik, There is nothing wrong with having your daughters play sports. One, it give them something to do that requires a time commitment (practice and games), good for when you go to work. And two, it gets them involved socially with other girls, students, that they probably would not have known otherwise. Three, it is a good point on a college application or resume'. My youngest daughter's resume that noted she was team captain on two sports, for two years, says alot about leadership. And three, who said their was anything wrong with being a lesbian?

        Either this is sarcastic or it’s serious nonsense. If the latter, then I thank you for your valuable input, dying boomer con.

      83. @Lars Porsena
        Isn't women's sports in general like that? At a (semi) pro level, anyway.

        Women's golf and tennis are full of them, aren't they? Some quick googling says 66-75% of the players in the women's soccer world cup.

        Women may play sports especially at high school or recreational level, but most people don't take women's sports all that seriously like a professional would, besides the lesbian feminist types.

        The real question is how long will it take for most of them to be chucked out and replaced by trannies.

        Just a couple of days ago the USA Powerlifting Federation (USAPL) announced that transgender athletes will no longer be allowed to compete as women. The group determined that even after the completion of the transition, with reduction of testosterone levels, an athlete born male would retain physical advantages in such things as lung capacity and bone structure.

        • Replies: @MagyarFasz

        an athlete born male would retain physical advantages in such things as lung capacity and bone structure.

         
        Good thing that USAPL figured this out in 2019 -- it is not like an illiterate Hungarian serf couldn't have figured that out in the Middle Ages.
      84. more like when did the national soccer team become all angry lesbians, political activists, and anti social slobs. over the last 20 years it changed from clean cut suburbanites and steadily turned into this anti american thing that it is now. representing america, against america, or something.

        i guess that’s what happens when you give women a platform now. all that anti-american conditioning they absorb in school and college becomes what they want to project on the new platform ESPN is trying to give them.

        they went from irrelevant but decent looking women playing soccer, and became this deeply unlikable thing that leftists want to platform. oh, and they want as much money as the men. need to hammer that home every single time, apparently.

        women playing softball were never good looking, they’re hosses. but they don’t seem to hate america. the track & field and volleyball women actually look good and are proud to represent.

      85. @Logical Meme
        Possibly related phenom: Why are 95% of female gym teachers, for middle schools and high schools, as well as virtually any female college sports coach, lesbian?

        Why are 95% of female gym teachers, for middle schools and high schools, as well as virtually any female college sports coach, lesbian?

        For the same reason that Willie Sutton robbed banks.

        • Agree: Jim Don Bob
      86. @Lars Porsena
        Isn't women's sports in general like that? At a (semi) pro level, anyway.

        Women's golf and tennis are full of them, aren't they? Some quick googling says 66-75% of the players in the women's soccer world cup.

        Women may play sports especially at high school or recreational level, but most people don't take women's sports all that seriously like a professional would, besides the lesbian feminist types.

        The real question is how long will it take for most of them to be chucked out and replaced by trannies.

        Isn’t women’s sports in general like that? At a (semi) pro level, anyway.

        Er….not. First- I don’t care much for any sport, male or female. I find all this fuss pointless (although historically ineradicable- panem et circenses). But, from what I’ve seen, most volleyball & handball female athletes are physically rather attractive & generally straight.

        What is “manly” about them is not their looks or sex orientation. It is their promiscuity & casual attitude toward sex & “love”, traits more associated with male sex/gender.

      87. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
        My pet theory is that a long ring finger is a great advantage in handling the basketball and shooting the basketball accurately at the point of release. We know that digit ratio is correlated with homosexual behavior (gestational exposure to testosterone), so women who can: a) handle the basketball; b) shoot the basketball; and c) are aggressive/competitive and sports oriented will select for women who can be attracted to women.

        Even the women's basketball players who don't butch it up wind up being with other women. For example, I thought Elena Delle Donne was fairly good looking for 6'5" - but her digit ratio is male:

        https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yYrYML4vcFQ/maxresdefault.jpg

        And then she wound up marrying a woman:

        https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d1/8f/ae/d18fae27d73c2134b09c9bcd7a0cbf39.jpg

        is that Susan Boyle in the middle???

        • Replies: @Alec Leamas
        Della Donne has a special needs sister whom she was close with, and depending upon who tells the story being close to her sister was the cause or the excuse for her transfer from Auriemma's UCONN to Delaware.

        The "wife" is the blonde also holding the special needs sister's hand.
      88. @Desiderius
        Your nonexistent grandchildren.

        Desi, I have one grand daughter who is adopted and I love her as I do the other four. I expect great things from her.

        • Replies: @Desiderius
        I love my gay brother and lesbian cousin, still my favorite and very close. They'd make great parents. I'm not thrilled with the current fashions that have robbed them of that opportunity. Adoption is of course nice and needed and courageous but its not the real deal.

        Of course you love and support your daughter and granddaughter at this point, just like my parents still love and support me even though my career is now more or less a total washout and despite our high hopes in that regard being dashed.

        You don't have to turn off your brain and demand reality warp around you to be a good and loving dad.
      89. @simple_pseudonymic_handle
        You probably don't read any liberal message boards but I like to perform opposition intelligence gathering. This is not made up but actual real data:

        many people think the salary of the WNBA players compared to the NBA players is sex discrimination and patriarchy which must be destroyed by any means necessary. THOT that interviewed JP on BBC Channel 4 and telling him women are paid less than men? She likely thinks this is an excellent example!

        The league ought to be forced to these ladies NBA salaries good and hard. As well as the MtoF players to come. Every red cent.

      90. OT:

        UN: World population expected to rise to 9.7 billion in 2050

        From the Bezos Post article:

        The new population projections indicate that nine countries will be responsible for more than half the projected population growth between now and 2050. In descending order of the expected increase, they are: India, Nigeria, Pakistan, Congo, Ethiopia, Tanzania, Indonesia, Egypt and the United States.

        (emphasis of course mine)

        • Replies: @Anonymous Jones
        Projections indicate that the following nine people are likely to soon participate in acts of sexual intercourse: Raj, Mutebe, Mohammed, Mahmoud, Mohamed, Prince, Abdul, Achmed, and Becky.
        , @Duke84
        The United States is only on the list because of massive immigration.The birth rate for Americans who were actually born here is below replacement level.
      91. I was told by several active and former female college athletes that all female college athletes are bisexual.

        • Replies: @Desiderius
        Not all of course but when lesbians are involved there are dominance games that make Heathers look like Joy Luck Club.
        , @BenKenobi
        In the current year, when a young woman says she’s “bisexual” that usually means “my bestie and I got drunk one night and 69’d.”

        It just means she’s a normal hetero chick with whom you can really push the envelope.
      92. @GW
        If you have a daughter, strongly nudge her toward feminine hobbies and activities (baking, decorating, interior design, etc.) and away from competitive sports, particularly sports at any serious level.

        Sports can help prevent obesity. It’s more about setting habits and positive attitudes towards staying fit.

      93. @Lars Porsena
        Isn't women's sports in general like that? At a (semi) pro level, anyway.

        Women's golf and tennis are full of them, aren't they? Some quick googling says 66-75% of the players in the women's soccer world cup.

        Women may play sports especially at high school or recreational level, but most people don't take women's sports all that seriously like a professional would, besides the lesbian feminist types.

        The real question is how long will it take for most of them to be chucked out and replaced by trannies.

        Men are better than women at everything, including being women.

      94. About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
        Very touching.

        When your daughter was born, in your heart you made a promise to her. I’m glad to see you are keeping that promise.

        Studies show that girls with kind and loving fathers do better in life, and have healthier relationships.

        I truly hope all of your children find happiness for all their lives.
        , @Desiderius
        Underrated aspect of the nonjudgmentalism ethos and its unintended (by definition, since nonjudgmentalism removes any intention from the picture) consequences - the damage it does to parents and their relationship with family, friends, and reality. Seen it first hand.
        , @Jim Don Bob
        Very nice, Joe. Don't go.
        , @Dan Hayes
        Joe,

        So long, it's been good to know you!
        , @R.G. Camara
        So your daughter is disordered, and instead of helping her overcome her disorder you get all bent out of shape that people make fun of people with her disorder who wallow in it?

        No wonder you were so uppity defending women's soccer as something to support (lol). Seriously, you need to do some soul searching: allowing your daughter to wallow in her lesbianism disorder is like allowing her to wallow in alcoholism or drug addiction or any other self-destructive disorder.

        Your daughter needs help---perhaps even harsh help---and not this "support" of her disordered, intrinsically evil lifestyle. You're enabling her, not loving her.
        , @Keypusher
        Sorry to lose you, but at least your daughter has a good dad.
        , @peterike
        It's not all about you, Joe. If your daughter happens to be a Lesbian, of course you ought to still love her. But in the larger world, rampant pro-Lesbian propaganda is not a good thing. Some of us are actually able to separate the larger world from our own private concerns.

        Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

         
        That's a ridiculous, petulant request.
        , @UrbaneFrancoOntarian
        Lol what a cuck. No wonder the white race is dying off. I can't even tell if this is serious.

        Anyways, I'm sorry about your daughter's indoctrination into the Globohomo ideology. However, I'm thankful that she will not pass on her genes.

        Hopefully she enjoys her childfree and sex-less life. Best of luck.
        , @Charles Erwin Wilson 3
        I am sorry that you intend to sign off permanently, Buffalo Joe. I have enjoyed your posts, and I wish you and yours well.
        , @Lot
        Joe, I don’t Steve’s post should be seen as denigrating all lesbians.

        There’s an angry lesbian subculture in America, acknowledging its existence doesn’t mean it includes all lesbians.

        If anything, the paleo right, especially its secular members like Steve, have been defending the rights of lesbians to do their own thing, whether in women’s sports or all-women music festivals, without having transexual “male lesbians” butt in and disrupt.
        , @TWS
        Cool story, bro.
        , @Anonymous
        His "response" to leave, demonstrates why doctors are forbidden to operate on family members.

        Some things hit so close all objectivity just melts.
        , @CAL2
        A sad example of someone who can't separate the personal from society in general.

        - My family member/friend/etc. is X
        - I love them regardless of X
        - Anyone disagreeing about X is attacking that love
        - You are bad

        I will always love my daughter. I will not tell my daughter everything is fine just because she does it and it makes her happy. That's not love. Would I be a good parent if I told my daughter:

        - Stealing another woman's husband is okay because my daughter was lonely?
        - Doing drugs because they make her happy?

        And one gets the point. Loving her wouldn't be, "Hey I love you all the same. You be you!"

        This isn't intended to insult. But your daughter is more likely to end up into drugs and suffering violence in such a relationship. It will also be barren.
        , @MBlanc46
        Joe, please don’t go!
        , @sayless
        You’ll be missed by many of us, Buffalo Joe. Reconsider?
        , @Buzz Mohawk
        Please, "Say it ain't so, Joe!"

        Your loving statement about your daughter makes perfect sense. I see from the replies already that I am not the only one here who supports and agrees with you completely. You are a good father, right down to your fierce defense of your child.

        https://i.ytimg.com/vi/M-P9lb0nMc0/hqdefault.jpg

        Man-to-man, if there is anything I have posted here that has insulted her or offended your sensibilities, I am sorry, and I am willing to read everything you have to say about it.

        Every once in a while, for my own reasons, I think about refraining from commenting here for an extended period or perhaps for good, but so far I haven't done that.

        You, one of my favorite commenters, simply must not disappear from this forum. You can do more by continuing to give us hell if you think we are out of line. You can teach those who will listen.

        Please stay.
        , @Neil Templeton
        I'll miss you Joe. You're one of the good ones.
        , @Ghost of Bull Moose
        Stick around Joe, we need your decency.
        , @WJ
        I read the responses to this person and I wonder if somehow I have been transported to some other web site. On a usually snarky site where the posters are typically cynical and sarcastic there are people acting like they actually care about this anonymous internet poster and his drama queen family story. Weird.
        , @roo_ster
        Sorry bud, but you failed your daughter. Failed even more than the father who didnt keep his daughter off the brass pole.

        Fathers are supposed to be leaders of their families, not followers of evil dysgenic trends.
        , @Achmed E. Newman
        I just read this, 2 days later. If you are still reading, Joe, I hope you come back on to comment. I have enjoyed yours and never found much to disagree with (which is my job, right?)
      95. @GW
        If you have a daughter, strongly nudge her toward feminine hobbies and activities (baking, decorating, interior design, etc.) and away from competitive sports, particularly sports at any serious level.

        Strongly agree. It’s become very common in recent years for white female college athletes to have sexual relationships with black athletes. Colleges today push all the athletes together socially in a way they didn’t a generation ago. They have all these joint social activities and shared training facilities and housing. You have situations where the male athletes are mostly black, due to the huge football roster and the female athletes are mostly white and they are being aggressively pushed together.

        It’s exactly the kind of situation that a sane white society would go to any length to avoid.

        Look at recent college sex scandals — white female athletes showing up over and over. Look at the Baylor rapes, that case in Utah where a black ex-con killed one of his several white college girlfriends etc.

        • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
        The toll must be paid, bruh.
        , @Duke84
        Also the Vanderbilt gang rape where three of the four assailants were black and the victim white.
      96. @GW
        If you have a daughter, strongly nudge her toward feminine hobbies and activities (baking, decorating, interior design, etc.) and away from competitive sports, particularly sports at any serious level.

        You are an idiot. My daughter bakes, decorates, and sews. She also plays basketball and volleyball, runs cross country and is a TKD blackbelt. No need to nudge her into anything. She is a well rounded young lady.

        • Replies: @Desiderius
        And my grandmother was a femme fatale while starring at that weird six-on-six basketball girls used to play.

        When the whole might of Globohomocorp propaganda is on not just nudging but pushing girls into sports it doesn’t hurt to provide some push back to help her figure out what she really wants to do.

        Also the job of a good father to make sure that when she does decide to get into sports that the team has a healthy environment for her to grow - same with boys of course.
      97. @prosa123
        Just a couple of days ago the USA Powerlifting Federation (USAPL) announced that transgender athletes will no longer be allowed to compete as women. The group determined that even after the completion of the transition, with reduction of testosterone levels, an athlete born male would retain physical advantages in such things as lung capacity and bone structure.

        an athlete born male would retain physical advantages in such things as lung capacity and bone structure.

        Good thing that USAPL figured this out in 2019 — it is not like an illiterate Hungarian serf couldn’t have figured that out in the Middle Ages.

        • Replies: @ScarletNumber
        To be fair, USAPL is ahead of the curve on this.
      98. Recently, about the other kind of football:

        ‘Stop with this equality!’: French philosopher hounded for not watching women’s football

        You don’t have to be a ‘sexist’ French philosopher to avoid women’s football

        If it wants to attract the kind of people who actually enjoy watching sport, women’s football must stop being a grievance-filled political movement for the morally virtuous.

        This week controversial French public intellectual Alain Finkielkraut set off a firestorm in France. When asked if he was going to watch the Women’s World Cup, which has begun this week in his homeland, he dared to simply say “I don’t like women’s football.”

        He was branded by his TV interviewer as “retrograde” and “condescending” and widely condemned as “sexist” on social media. Finkielkraut gave his critics plenty to pick on, saying “that’s not how I see women” and that their game is “equal but different” (though one could argue these are simply personal aesthetic observations, to which he is entitled).

        When you go public with your non-Twittercorrect opinions:

      99. @Buffalo Joe
        Desi, I have one grand daughter who is adopted and I love her as I do the other four. I expect great things from her.

        I love my gay brother and lesbian cousin, still my favorite and very close. They’d make great parents. I’m not thrilled with the current fashions that have robbed them of that opportunity. Adoption is of course nice and needed and courageous but its not the real deal.

        Of course you love and support your daughter and granddaughter at this point, just like my parents still love and support me even though my career is now more or less a total washout and despite our high hopes in that regard being dashed.

        You don’t have to turn off your brain and demand reality warp around you to be a good and loving dad.

      100. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        Very touching.

        When your daughter was born, in your heart you made a promise to her. I’m glad to see you are keeping that promise.

        Studies show that girls with kind and loving fathers do better in life, and have healthier relationships.

        I truly hope all of your children find happiness for all their lives.

        • Agree: ic1000
        • Replies: @Peripatetic Commenter

        Studies show that girls with kind and loving fathers do better in life, and have healthier relationships.
         
        Ahhh yes, those mythical studies.

        They show all sorts of things, but it's probably genetic.
        , @sayless
        Girls who have loving and kind fathers will find it easier to trust a man and relax with one later on. And as a counselor said to a guy I know, And, you’ll have better odds of ending up with a decent son-in-law.
      101. @El Dato
        OT: Lulz in the New Wokeland as Jewish Outrage goes into the red zone because Israel disappears off the map.

        Maybe an omen. Now would be the time to consult the I Ching.

        New Zealand government website erases Israel from map, replaces it with Palestine

        The government website published the map as part of a fact sheet about Palestinian immigrants in New Zealand, showing Israel highlighted in blue and marked as ‘Palestine’. The West Bank is not included in the highlighted area.

        The Israel Institute of New Zealand called on the immigration minister to “immediately apologize for the offending image and confirm that it does not reflect government policy.” It also called for an investigation. [Schnell! Papier! Schwein!!]

        The institute’s director, Ashley Church, described the map as “incredibly offensive and the equivalent of New Zealand Immigration displaying a map of the UK which removed Scotland and Wales and referred to the entirety of the British Isles as England,” the Jewish News reports. [As if anyone made the difference anymore]
         

        So, are the employees of that particular ministry in New Zealand playing dumb or is it not an act?

      102. @Anonymous
        He didn't even bother to address the obvious explanation to his own "discovery," which is that homo women will actively participate in a sports org and buy the tickets, whereas straight women don't care unless a father/BF is prodding them and don't pay for anything. This is a customer effect, not input. Tall feminine women who can plausibly play basketball exist. But when low IQ fathers push their daughters to WNBA the latter see no market waiting for Kournikovas and Danica Patricks in that league. So the non-diesel daughter will naturally wonder what's the point.

        That was gobbledygook. You could theoretically field a male basketball team full of handsome model-actor types. There have been plenty of good-looking NBA-ers across the decades. However, while you’re casting for beauty other teams are recruiting talent. Since no one buys tickets for losing teams, that strategy tends to be more successful.

      103. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        Underrated aspect of the nonjudgmentalism ethos and its unintended (by definition, since nonjudgmentalism removes any intention from the picture) consequences – the damage it does to parents and their relationship with family, friends, and reality. Seen it first hand.

        • Agree: TWS
      104. @Mr. Grey
        The WNBA looks like an example of virtue signaling meeting the bottom line. I remember when the league was launched, I followed the NBA back then, and I don't recall any public groundswell for a woman's league. It was promoted like broccoli, something that's supposed to be good for us. We would become better people if we followed a woman's league with as much enthusiasm as we follow the men's league. David Stern gave us this opportunity, all we had to do was say yes, but America said no to our eternal shame. Maybe all these new Congolese "asylum seekers" will know the correct way to appreciate a woman's basketball league.

        The WNBA looks like an example of virtue signaling meeting the bottom line. I remember when the league was launched, I followed the NBA back then, and I don’t recall any public groundswell for a woman’s league. It was promoted like broccoli, something that’s supposed to be good for us. We would become better people if we followed a woman’s league with as much enthusiasm as we follow the men’s league. David Stern gave us this opportunity, all we had to do was say yes, but America said no to our eternal shame. Maybe all these new Congolese “asylum seekers” will know the correct way to appreciate a woman’s basketball league.

        This.

        Back in the day we got the “eat your vegetables” message from Protestant church ladies.

        They certainly haven’t gone away, but in all matters “diversity” related they’ve been far, far surpassed the past 50-60 years by the Jews. This was just David Stern doing some Jewish progressive “eat your broccoli” finger waging at benighted, backward goymerica.

        Don’t be confused that it’s always “all about the Benjamins”. Hollyweird’s Jews have also shown a willingness to pass on making more money–not personally, but for the studios–in some cases seriously denting the profitability of lucrative franchises in order to jam PC diversity into this that and other thing. There are a lot of true-believers who find no greater joy than “virtue” signalling and pissing on whitey.

      105. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        Very nice, Joe. Don’t go.

      106. @ATBOTL
        I was told by several active and former female college athletes that all female college athletes are bisexual.

        Not all of course but when lesbians are involved there are dominance games that make Heathers look like Joy Luck Club.

      107. @jim jones
        Girls should study ballet:

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEvnu5oxx0Y

        Ya know, it’s funny. There are a lot of movies, t.v. shows, and books about the exacting physical standards for high-level ballet. Weight being a big one, but also figure, height, length of various body parts, and so on. Which cause characters in drama no end of frustration.

        Not that they don’t show physical struggle in sports movies, but we all know that if you’re going to compete at the highest level there you’re going to have to fit very precise physical standards. Which is why Olympians competing against each other in different events look like clones of eachother.

        In my experience sports drama doesn’t make as big a deal of this aspect. You don’t see girls crying because coach tells them their fingers aren’t long enough for the WNBA.

        Except maybe figure skating or gymnastics, because they share with ballet the element of feminine beauty. Or at least gymnastics used to. A girl is more likely to be emotionally attached to the body parts that might make her a pretty swan than the ones that help her chuck balls through hoops.

      108. @Mr. Grey
        The WNBA looks like an example of virtue signaling meeting the bottom line. I remember when the league was launched, I followed the NBA back then, and I don't recall any public groundswell for a woman's league. It was promoted like broccoli, something that's supposed to be good for us. We would become better people if we followed a woman's league with as much enthusiasm as we follow the men's league. David Stern gave us this opportunity, all we had to do was say yes, but America said no to our eternal shame. Maybe all these new Congolese "asylum seekers" will know the correct way to appreciate a woman's basketball league.

        I remember the pitch from the NBA in the early days of the WNBA being something like, “if you want to watch sound, fundamental basketball, watch the WNBA.” They were trying to appeal to their fans who were disgusted by the style of players like Allen Iverson and Stephon Marbury and the NBA’s arbitrary enforcement of traveling/palming rules. Needless to say, that was not a successful marketing pitch.

      109. OT President Trump finally has a solution to the immivasion crisis . Live from the White House :

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
        Silly. That's the Speaker of the House. This is the White House spokesman:


        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=95e_v3RnxAc

        Know your Nast!
      110. @The Wild Geese Howard
        Vonn is toxic and best forgotten.

        I concur, but there was no “half-agree” option to praise Schiffrin without endorsing the shark….

      111. @Charles
        Women's golf (now) is almost completely dominated by S. Koreans, but few if any of the ones I've seen strike me as lesbos (no pun intended).

        Women’s golf (now) is almost completely dominated by S. Koreans, but few if any of the ones I’ve seen strike me as lesbos (no pun intended)

        In their case, it’s an almost entirely environmental phenomenon, as with women’s tennis in Moscow. They’re the product of an efficient factory system, not a natural winnowing of innate traits and desires.

        Thus, they are much closer to a cross-section of the female population.

        It’s like women’s soccer here. There is absolutely no innate advantage to our women, or Scandinavia’s or China’s, over those in the men’s powerhouse countries. The difference lies in the effort put into the sport by their nations.

      112. @donut
        OT President Trump finally has a solution to the immivasion crisis . Live from the White House :

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gROO7xSTxfY

        Silly. That’s the Speaker of the House. This is the White House spokesman:

        Know your Nast!

      113. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        Joe,

        So long, it’s been good to know you!

      114. The WNBA was founded as a bulkwark by the NBA against sexism charges. In the 1990s you had the thug-ball era of the NBA, outlandishly hip-hop and anti-social and ghetto, which is naturally misgynistic (see: any rap video) while feminazism was rising again, and those cheerleader squads looked awfully “sexist” to them, especially dancing to rap lyrics.

        The WNBA was the NBA’s forethought that having it would stave off the feminazis from complaining about the NBA. It was a virtue-signalling + loss leader. A CDB, if you will.

        In other words, it was never designed to make money.

        That angry lesbians took over it is natural; the league naturally funneled all the SJW man-haters towards it. Who else is goign to watch that crap?

        Also, is there any such lesbian besides an “angry” lesbian? That’s like calling a gay man effeminate.

        • Replies: @Desiderius
        Age takes the edge off lesbians same as the rest of us.
      115. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        So your daughter is disordered, and instead of helping her overcome her disorder you get all bent out of shape that people make fun of people with her disorder who wallow in it?

        No wonder you were so uppity defending women’s soccer as something to support (lol). Seriously, you need to do some soul searching: allowing your daughter to wallow in her lesbianism disorder is like allowing her to wallow in alcoholism or drug addiction or any other self-destructive disorder.

        Your daughter needs help—perhaps even harsh help—and not this “support” of her disordered, intrinsically evil lifestyle. You’re enabling her, not loving her.

        • Replies: @Flip
        I've known a few women who were lesbians when they were young and are now married to men and have children. I've never known of gay men who switched like that.
        , @Neil Templeton
        Who are you to determine that folks you don't even know need help?
        , @roo_ster
        Hit the nail on the head.
      116. @Paleo Liberal
        Very touching.

        When your daughter was born, in your heart you made a promise to her. I’m glad to see you are keeping that promise.

        Studies show that girls with kind and loving fathers do better in life, and have healthier relationships.

        I truly hope all of your children find happiness for all their lives.

        Studies show that girls with kind and loving fathers do better in life, and have healthier relationships.

        Ahhh yes, those mythical studies.

        They show all sorts of things, but it’s probably genetic.

      117. @Joe Joe
        is that Susan Boyle in the middle???

        Della Donne has a special needs sister whom she was close with, and depending upon who tells the story being close to her sister was the cause or the excuse for her transfer from Auriemma’s UCONN to Delaware.

        The “wife” is the blonde also holding the special needs sister’s hand.

      118. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        Sorry to lose you, but at least your daughter has a good dad.

      119. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        It’s not all about you, Joe. If your daughter happens to be a Lesbian, of course you ought to still love her. But in the larger world, rampant pro-Lesbian propaganda is not a good thing. Some of us are actually able to separate the larger world from our own private concerns.

        Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        That’s a ridiculous, petulant request.

      120. @flyingtiger
        You will note that there are no angry lesbians in woman's beach volleyball.

        Not true.

      121. @Walsh2
        And then get ready to pay a ton of money on travel ball and sit in cavernous event centers listening the young ladies on at least 20 separate courts grunt, scream, chant, and yell. Parenting Pro Tip No. 2: Don't over imbibe the night prior to one of these tournaments.

        Kidding aside, I was thrilled my daughter chose volleyball in high school over the other sports she played as a young kid and would also recommend it.

        Additionally, if I knew what a racket youth sports was I could have saved a lot of time, money, and lost hours studying for bar exams and just started a travel league. It really is amazing how much parents are expected o pay for kids sports.

        Of course, every club is different, but I worked for many years with a non-profit club VB program, and we kept our costs to an absolute minimum. In fact, we made no money at all on the travel program; only the local development programs made anything. Even then, a season of travel volleyball for a modest schedule was about $1000, not including hotel or travel expenses. Renting half-decent practice space was always a big money drain.

      122. Sweet story Joe. Good luck.

        I still say there’s no such thing as lesbian women they’re just women who haven’t met me.

      123. A friend of mine worked in advertising for a local sports radio program. He said they had to broadcast the local women’s NBA if they got the men’s NBA deal. That clearly hurt the overall price, but I think the executives thought that it would increase the NBA audience in the long run.

        • Replies: @ScarletNumber
        When WFAN66 acquired the radio rights to the New York Yankees in 2014, part of the deal was that they had to broadcast the inaugural season of NYCFC in 2015. Soccer on the radio is as exciting as you might imagine it being.
      124. @ken
        Those lesbians are going to be real angry when the chicks with dicks crowd starts playing.

        Technically, they are dudes with tits.

      125. @flyingtiger
        You will note that there are no angry lesbians in woman's beach volleyball.

        Clever answer!

        A more complete answer is that volleyball is a non-contact sport. Competitive basketball is a full-contact sport created for men. Guess what body type and temperament is best for competitive basketball?

        Hence Angry Lesbians. Oh sure, they’re upset that they don’t get paid like Lebron. That will be taken care of when we move from Equal Opportunity to Equal Outcome to Equal Compensation ™.

        • Replies: @Steve Sailer
        A more complete answer is that volleyball is a non-contact sport. Competitive basketball is a full-contact sport created for men.

        Hockey is a full contact sport, with boxing interludes, but basketball in theory wasn't supposed to be.

        Volleyball features violent overhand strikes and tests of strength above the net.
      126. @Unladen Swallow
        I don't know if there are really a lot of lesbians in tennis anymore, there were in the 70's and 80's no doubt, but by the late 80's the top players like Graf, Seles, and Sabatini were increasingly straight. The French player Amelie Mauresmo was in the 2000s, she won two grand slams in 2006, and was No. 1 in the world in her late 20s, but within a few years she had retired. She was Andy Murray's coach for a while and I have read had she has had two kids recently, but no mention of a father, so I assume IVF. Golf now seems dominated by Asian females.

        Had no idea Mauresmo had had children. The few articles I read about it were steadfastly incurious about how it had come about. Not even a hint of father, IVF, or what. So now those two kids are purposefully going to not have a dad.

      127. @ATBOTL
        I was told by several active and former female college athletes that all female college athletes are bisexual.

        In the current year, when a young woman says she’s “bisexual” that usually means “my bestie and I got drunk one night and 69’d.”

        It just means she’s a normal hetero chick with whom you can really push the envelope.

      128. @Corn
        Are there any womens’ pro baseball or softball leagues I don’t know about?

        I’m told the ladies of the diamond lean towards the Sapphic side.

        I dated a girl for a bit who played softball in college. She was literally the onky straight girl on the team, and tuere was a lot of pressure to not be that. She ended up quitting.

      129. @Barnard
        I don't know why David Stern ever would have thought the WNBA would be tall and elegant daddy's girls. Division I women's college basketball is not daddy's girls and wasn't that way in the late 90s either. Sue Bird(star at UConn in late 90s) types have been the norm. A few years ago, there was a former player who talked about the social pressure to become a lesbian within the league, I don't doubt that starts at the college level. Within a couple of years of the WNBA starting, there were articles being published about their push to market tickets to lesbian fans.

        Tennis being overrepresented with lesbians is a leftover stereotype from the Martina Navratilova/Billie Jean King era. Almost all of the top players today are dating or married to men, many of them play up their femininity and good looks like Caroline Wozniacki, who was engaged to Rory McIlroy and is just got married to former NBA player David Lee. A few like Kim Clijsters and Viktoria Azarenka have taken time off to have babies.

        I was always a bit partial to Martina Hingis. Now that I look her up on Wikipedia, she went on to date and dump a number of guys only to finally marry a guy last year and immediately get pregnant, at age 38. Almost surely her first and last. Such a pity.

      130. @Buffalo Joe
        Fredrik, There is nothing wrong with having your daughters play sports. One, it give them something to do that requires a time commitment (practice and games), good for when you go to work. And two, it gets them involved socially with other girls, students, that they probably would not have known otherwise. Three, it is a good point on a college application or resume'. My youngest daughter's resume that noted she was team captain on two sports, for two years, says alot about leadership. And three, who said their was anything wrong with being a lesbian?

        The bible. Love your daughter but do not let that love cloud your view of reality.

      131. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        Lol what a cuck. No wonder the white race is dying off. I can’t even tell if this is serious.

        Anyways, I’m sorry about your daughter’s indoctrination into the Globohomo ideology. However, I’m thankful that she will not pass on her genes.

        Hopefully she enjoys her childfree and sex-less life. Best of luck.

      132. @Corvinus
        "Why did it instead become the Angry Lesbians League?"

        Grasping for clickbait. Slow day at the Bit Coin collection till?

        Grasping for clickbait. Slow day at the Bit Coin collection till

        I had no idea that is how you make your living.

      133. Steve on Twitter: “Probably a Caster Semenya-type who was born that way, which I have less problem with than masculine men who decide they are girls.”

        Hermaphrodites aren’t as rare as you might think, depending on the definition, above 1 in 1000 births. And Y chromosomed individuals with deformed/ambiguous genitalia is the most common type.

        The issue for sports is the average young man is in the 99.9th percentile for young women in upper body strength. So in some sports letting in high-T Y-chromosome hermaphrodites will lead to them being a high share of women’s sport champions.

      134. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        I am sorry that you intend to sign off permanently, Buffalo Joe. I have enjoyed your posts, and I wish you and yours well.

      135. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        Joe, I don’t Steve’s post should be seen as denigrating all lesbians.

        There’s an angry lesbian subculture in America, acknowledging its existence doesn’t mean it includes all lesbians.

        If anything, the paleo right, especially its secular members like Steve, have been defending the rights of lesbians to do their own thing, whether in women’s sports or all-women music festivals, without having transexual “male lesbians” butt in and disrupt.

        • Agree: Jim Don Bob
        • Replies: @dfordoom

        There’s an angry lesbian subculture in America, acknowledging its existence doesn’t mean it includes all lesbians.
         
        There are probably lots of non-angry lesbians out there. It's just that nobody has ever encountered one.

        Seriously, even my close friend who's a lesbian thinks all lesbians are crazy and angry.

        The idea that there are lots of healthy happy well-adjusted lesbians out there is the kind of thing that only a cuck would believe.
      136. “What the deal with the Women National Basketball Association? When NBA supremo David Stern founded it in the 1990s, he presumably assumed it would be staffed by tall, elegant Daddy’s Girls, like high and college female basketball. Why did it instead become the Angry Lesbians League?”

        I guessing most here have not watched much WNBA. Can you give us a few examples of what the angry lesbians are doing that is note worthy?

        Also – there are lots of angry black women in the WNBA already so doesn’t it kind of go with the territory?

        I’ve read that the WNBA is pretty much wholly propped up by the MNBA; maybe they’re angry about that in the same way Mooch knew she didn’t belong at a top tier law firm?

        I also sat next to the LA Sparks in an airport somewhere a few years ago. Half their team was European broads.

      137. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
        My pet theory is that a long ring finger is a great advantage in handling the basketball and shooting the basketball accurately at the point of release. We know that digit ratio is correlated with homosexual behavior (gestational exposure to testosterone), so women who can: a) handle the basketball; b) shoot the basketball; and c) are aggressive/competitive and sports oriented will select for women who can be attracted to women.

        Even the women's basketball players who don't butch it up wind up being with other women. For example, I thought Elena Delle Donne was fairly good looking for 6'5" - but her digit ratio is male:

        https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yYrYML4vcFQ/maxresdefault.jpg

        And then she wound up marrying a woman:

        https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d1/8f/ae/d18fae27d73c2134b09c9bcd7a0cbf39.jpg

        She married someone with Down’s Syndrome ? Ahhhh ( in the cute pet manner ) .

      138. Well you all would not believe who is the newest entrant to the club:

        • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
        Why not? This is a no risk virtue signal for any young woman here in Clown World.
      139. @El Dato
        OT: Lulz in the New Wokeland as Jewish Outrage goes into the red zone because Israel disappears off the map.

        Maybe an omen. Now would be the time to consult the I Ching.

        New Zealand government website erases Israel from map, replaces it with Palestine

        The government website published the map as part of a fact sheet about Palestinian immigrants in New Zealand, showing Israel highlighted in blue and marked as ‘Palestine’. The West Bank is not included in the highlighted area.

        The Israel Institute of New Zealand called on the immigration minister to “immediately apologize for the offending image and confirm that it does not reflect government policy.” It also called for an investigation. [Schnell! Papier! Schwein!!]

        The institute’s director, Ashley Church, described the map as “incredibly offensive and the equivalent of New Zealand Immigration displaying a map of the UK which removed Scotland and Wales and referred to the entirety of the British Isles as England,” the Jewish News reports. [As if anyone made the difference anymore]
         

        a map of the UK which removed Scotland and Wales and referred to the entirety of the British Isles as England,” the Jewish News reports. [As if anyone made the difference anymore]

        Plenty of maps that do exactly that. Also, for the analogy to work, it would have to be a map referring to the whole UK as Wales.

      140. @Chris Mallory
        You are an idiot. My daughter bakes, decorates, and sews. She also plays basketball and volleyball, runs cross country and is a TKD blackbelt. No need to nudge her into anything. She is a well rounded young lady.

        And my grandmother was a femme fatale while starring at that weird six-on-six basketball girls used to play.

        When the whole might of Globohomocorp propaganda is on not just nudging but pushing girls into sports it doesn’t hurt to provide some push back to help her figure out what she really wants to do.

        Also the job of a good father to make sure that when she does decide to get into sports that the team has a healthy environment for her to grow – same with boys of course.

        • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
        A guy I used to know wrote a book about his mother’s exploits in 6-6 basketball in Iowa.

        Iowa has some weird sports. Small towns and hard to put together sports that way.
      141. At a local University, they post all the team group photo’s in the arena, the Volleyball team is always right up there in femininity, however on any given year the women Swim team and Gymnastics team can give them a run for the money. The women’s Basketball, Soccer, Golf and Lacrosse teams not so much.

        Natalie Coughlin swimmer

      142. @Lars Porsena
        Isn't women's sports in general like that? At a (semi) pro level, anyway.

        Women's golf and tennis are full of them, aren't they? Some quick googling says 66-75% of the players in the women's soccer world cup.

        Women may play sports especially at high school or recreational level, but most people don't take women's sports all that seriously like a professional would, besides the lesbian feminist types.

        The real question is how long will it take for most of them to be chucked out and replaced by trannies.

        As regards tennis, I think a big thing that militates against the anger is the fact that tennis is remarkably integrated sexually, from a very young age. All boys and girls juniors practice together, have clinics and lessons together and, of course, often play actual competitive mixed doubles together. Even on the pro tour, there is a remarkable amount of interaction between men and women pros. They all know each other (to varying degrees) and practice along side each other at all events where they compete together (Slams and events like Indian Wells, Cincinnati, Madrid…)–and there’s a ton of dating across tours; a ton.

        Every top female pro has a male hitting partner and, by dint of close acquaintance, is simply in awe of the men’s game. I’m guessing none of this is true of the other sports.

        • Replies: @Steve Sailer
        Men and women tour golfers only get together about once a year, at a tournament at Disneyworld I think.
      143. @S. Anonyia
        A girl who gets into baking and decorating will get fat. Cooking is a better hobby than baking. Baking is easy, cooking is harder and also a good skill.

        Americans should consume fewer sweets.

        If you are going to be anti-sports for your daughter (which is dumb since it keeps kids fit for life and most don’t go pro anyway) why not at least suggest useful or impressive skills? Art, piano, violin, gourmet cooking, hiking, fishing, gardening etc

        Baking and interior decorating are not really skills, anyone can do them. That’s like telling a boy to improve himself by getting really into video games.

        wow you’re pretty hardcore there. Girls should have their femininity encouraged, but those with athletic talent shouldn’t be held back simply because the parents are worried that they’ll turn out queer. Forcing a girl to express more femininity than God gave her will just produce rebellion.

        Oh, and all that “I’m a lesbian” stuff is largely rebellion. When most of these women finally meet a guy who likes them despite all their issues, they’ll jump on him.

        Agree about the baking. It’s sugar and eggs and flour and butter and more sugar. Delicious, but quite fattening. Gardening is a dying art and it should be encouraged for all kids much more than it is.

        • Replies: @Glaivester
        I garden from April to November. I would garden year-round if I didn't live in Maine.
        , @dfordoom

        wow you’re pretty hardcore there. Girls should have their femininity encouraged, but those with athletic talent shouldn’t be held back simply because the parents are worried that they’ll turn out queer
         
        I'm not so sure about that. Allowing a daughter to get involved in a sport that is overrun with lesbians seems like a pretty irresponsible thing to do. It's a bit like thinking that allowing her to hang around with drug addicts won't do her any harm.

        Oh, and all that “I’m a lesbian” stuff is largely rebellion. When most of these women finally meet a guy who likes them despite all their issues, they’ll jump on him.
         
        That's partly true, but the problem is that by the time they meet a man they like they're going to be badly damaged psychologically.
      144. @Buffalo Joe
        Fredrik, There is nothing wrong with having your daughters play sports. One, it give them something to do that requires a time commitment (practice and games), good for when you go to work. And two, it gets them involved socially with other girls, students, that they probably would not have known otherwise. Three, it is a good point on a college application or resume'. My youngest daughter's resume that noted she was team captain on two sports, for two years, says alot about leadership. And three, who said their was anything wrong with being a lesbian?

        If you don’t see something wrong with your daughter being lesbian you’ve got blinders on.

        • Agree: Dan Hayes
        • Replies: @Desiderius
        Wrong in the sense of playing tennis with a Stradivarius but not in many other senses of the word. Wrong is too broad when speaking of a dad and his baby daughter.
      145. @Desiderius
        And my grandmother was a femme fatale while starring at that weird six-on-six basketball girls used to play.

        When the whole might of Globohomocorp propaganda is on not just nudging but pushing girls into sports it doesn’t hurt to provide some push back to help her figure out what she really wants to do.

        Also the job of a good father to make sure that when she does decide to get into sports that the team has a healthy environment for her to grow - same with boys of course.

        A guy I used to know wrote a book about his mother’s exploits in 6-6 basketball in Iowa.

        Iowa has some weird sports. Small towns and hard to put together sports that way.

        • Replies: @The Last Real Calvinist
        Iowa girls still played six-on-six when I was in high school, but switched over to five-on-five in the early 1990s.

        The six-on-six game was better suited to girls, I think, with less physical contact, more passing, and often very high scores.

        Because defensive players were limited in the ways they could harass the girl with the ball, talented individuals could really run up the point totals. It was common for the best forwards to score in the 50s and 60s, and sometimes even higher than that.
      146. @GW
        If you have a daughter, strongly nudge her toward feminine hobbies and activities (baking, decorating, interior design, etc.) and away from competitive sports, particularly sports at any serious level.

        If you have a daughter, keep her away from College altogether. That way she won’t become an angry lesbian or sleep with the entire football team.

        • Agree: dfordoom
      147. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        Cool story, bro.

      148. OT
        ‘He’s finished!’ U2 guitarist The Edge’s dreams of building $100million family compound on an untouched Malibu mountainside are shattered after he loses a 14-YEAR legal battle
        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7151333/U2-guitarist-Edges-dreams-building-100-million-family-compound-Malibu-shattered.html

        • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
        No worries.

        The Edge will retreat to his yacht with his bro Bono and they will console themselves with some nubile young coeds:

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1080636/What-St-Bonos-wife-say-partying-teenage-girls.html
      149. @istevefan
        In 2002, they came out with a movie called Juwanna Mann about a guy who was banned from the NBA who then dressed up like a woman to play in the women's pro league. How long before this really happens to the WNBA?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LITIyNwO_HA

        Tommy Davidson was pretty funny, I am reminded. The “man is sexually aroused by a man he thinks is a woman and pursues him doggedly” trope is always good for some laughs.

      150. @Buzz Mohawk
        OT:

        UN: World population expected to rise to 9.7 billion in 2050

        From the Bezos Post article:

        The new population projections indicate that nine countries will be responsible for more than half the projected population growth between now and 2050. In descending order of the expected increase, they are: India, Nigeria, Pakistan, Congo, Ethiopia, Tanzania, Indonesia, Egypt and the United States.
         
        (emphasis of course mine)

        Projections indicate that the following nine people are likely to soon participate in acts of sexual intercourse: Raj, Mutebe, Mohammed, Mahmoud, Mohamed, Prince, Abdul, Achmed, and Becky.

      151. I think that 1) girls tend to be happier when they’re raised into roles and activities that have traditionally given women a lot of pleasure and satisfaction (food! style! social activities! dance!); and that 2) sports are a metaphor for combat, which has traditionally been a male domain. Why we’re pushing our girls into combat-derived activities I have no idea. (Actually I do, but I’ll keep it to myself.)

        Pushing our girls into sports has played a role in the creation of a couple of generations of young American women who are completely graceless and out of tune with their feminine natures. No matter how fit they are, or what good team players they’ve become, or how sweet or amusing individuals may be, today’s American girls and young women are generally amazingly clumpy, grace-free and charm-free creatures. They judge themselves and each other by how aggressive and will-driven they are, they have zero clue what it is to be creatures of mystery, style and allure, and they’ve got no idea how to run social circles or maintain kitchens and households. On the other hand, high-fiving each other, being pushy corporate drones, drinking themselves shitfaced and running marathons … They’re really good at all that.

        And we wonder why so many of them get fat, take anti-depressants, and fail to reproduce. We’re actively discouraging our girls from realizing themselves as women. Awesome cultural achievement, America.

        Allowances made for the handful of girls who genuinely do have athletic natures, of course.

      152. @Deckin
        As regards tennis, I think a big thing that militates against the anger is the fact that tennis is remarkably integrated sexually, from a very young age. All boys and girls juniors practice together, have clinics and lessons together and, of course, often play actual competitive mixed doubles together. Even on the pro tour, there is a remarkable amount of interaction between men and women pros. They all know each other (to varying degrees) and practice along side each other at all events where they compete together (Slams and events like Indian Wells, Cincinnati, Madrid...)--and there's a ton of dating across tours; a ton.

        Every top female pro has a male hitting partner and, by dint of close acquaintance, is simply in awe of the men's game. I'm guessing none of this is true of the other sports.

        Men and women tour golfers only get together about once a year, at a tournament at Disneyworld I think.

      153. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

        many people think the salary of the WNBA players compared to the NBA players is sex discrimination and patriarchy which must be destroyed by any means necessary. THOT that interviewed JP on BBC Channel 4 and telling him women are paid less than men? She likely thinks this is an excellent example!
         
        Doesn't the NBA subsidize the WNBA including its players' salaries by way of . . . excess revenue from the NBA?

        In other words, it's not that the women are paid less compared with NBA players as cause for complaint - they're actually being paid gratis from the labor of the NBA players and it still isn't enough!

        Of course, the Wikipedia WNBA page makes a big deal about how in recent seasons half of the teams in league didn’t lose money, like it’s a major accomplishment. A decade ago only one team was profitable, the team in Connecticut there to cash in on the popularity of UConn women’s hoops and also a very wealthy state without any other pro sports teams.

        This is twenty years after the founding of the league, and they are just now breaking even at best, and they still complain about their salaries. No mens pro sports league ever did this badly financially and was still afloat after two decades, it’s crazy.

      154. Daddys Girls work hard and compete in college. Then they grow up and have kids. Then they have no desire to compete as a pro even if they could… They probably attracted some finance bro in college and would make nothing in comparison.

        Dare I suggest that might have been part of their strategy in the first place?

        Lesbians never grow up – which is to say they never have children. They might as well keep at their juvenile subsidized game nobody likes.

      155. @Anon7
        Clever answer!

        A more complete answer is that volleyball is a non-contact sport. Competitive basketball is a full-contact sport created for men. Guess what body type and temperament is best for competitive basketball?

        Hence Angry Lesbians. Oh sure, they’re upset that they don’t get paid like Lebron. That will be taken care of when we move from Equal Opportunity to Equal Outcome to Equal Compensation (tm).

        A more complete answer is that volleyball is a non-contact sport. Competitive basketball is a full-contact sport created for men.

        Hockey is a full contact sport, with boxing interludes, but basketball in theory wasn’t supposed to be.

        Volleyball features violent overhand strikes and tests of strength above the net.

        • Replies: @Desiderius

        basketball in theory wasn’t supposed to be.
         
        The appeal of sports for the ruling class is that it affords them a rare opportunity to escape from the merely theoretical. Sex once served the same purpose.
        , @Anon7
        Volleyball features violent overhand strikes and tests of strength above the net.

        Maybe, but the teams don't come into contact with each other. In collegiate women's volleyball, the players gather on their respective sides after each point and they all hug each other. It's pretty easy to watch collegiate women's volleyball and think 'holy crap, that girl is an exactly proportional Barbie doll!" I certainly did when I volunteered to take my wife and young daughter to games to support women's sports. Go to Youtube and type in "volleyball barbie" (lots of girls), then compare to "basketball barbie" (none!).

        I don't know how James Naismith conceived of the game, but I can tell you that by the 1970's, when I played a lot of pick up games on courts surrounded by ten foot cyclone fencing, it was not gentlemanly. If you couldn't take a lot of physical contact, and dish it out, you didn't play.

        Women don't have any real originality; WNBA women try to play like they see the men play. Since they can't, everyone can see that it's deficient.

        The WNBA doesn't work because 1) it's a two-dimensional game [women can't jump], 2) women are too weak in the upper body to shoot like men [they don't shoot they throw at the basket] and 3) they don't have the ability to spontaneously compose new moves, running plays is boring to watch (that's my Art Tatum argument).

        My two cents. OK, three cents.
      156. At first slowly, then all at once.

      157. @R.G. Camara
        The WNBA was founded as a bulkwark by the NBA against sexism charges. In the 1990s you had the thug-ball era of the NBA, outlandishly hip-hop and anti-social and ghetto, which is naturally misgynistic (see: any rap video) while feminazism was rising again, and those cheerleader squads looked awfully "sexist" to them, especially dancing to rap lyrics.

        The WNBA was the NBA's forethought that having it would stave off the feminazis from complaining about the NBA. It was a virtue-signalling + loss leader. A CDB, if you will.

        In other words, it was never designed to make money.

        That angry lesbians took over it is natural; the league naturally funneled all the SJW man-haters towards it. Who else is goign to watch that crap?

        Also, is there any such lesbian besides an "angry" lesbian? That's like calling a gay man effeminate.

        Age takes the edge off lesbians same as the rest of us.

      158. @Steve Sailer
        A more complete answer is that volleyball is a non-contact sport. Competitive basketball is a full-contact sport created for men.

        Hockey is a full contact sport, with boxing interludes, but basketball in theory wasn't supposed to be.

        Volleyball features violent overhand strikes and tests of strength above the net.

        basketball in theory wasn’t supposed to be.

        The appeal of sports for the ruling class is that it affords them a rare opportunity to escape from the merely theoretical. Sex once served the same purpose.

      159. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

        many people think the salary of the WNBA players compared to the NBA players is sex discrimination and patriarchy which must be destroyed by any means necessary. THOT that interviewed JP on BBC Channel 4 and telling him women are paid less than men? She likely thinks this is an excellent example!
         
        Doesn't the NBA subsidize the WNBA including its players' salaries by way of . . . excess revenue from the NBA?

        In other words, it's not that the women are paid less compared with NBA players as cause for complaint - they're actually being paid gratis from the labor of the NBA players and it still isn't enough!

        Tell the WNBA players that they get the same deal of the men’s NBA–team salaries capped at roughly 50% of team (“basketball-related”) revenues. See if they like that deal…

      160. @TWS
        If you don't see something wrong with your daughter being lesbian you've got blinders on.

        Wrong in the sense of playing tennis with a Stradivarius but not in many other senses of the word. Wrong is too broad when speaking of a dad and his baby daughter.

      161. Anonymous[179] • Disclaimer says:
        @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        His “response” to leave, demonstrates why doctors are forbidden to operate on family members.

        Some things hit so close all objectivity just melts.

      162. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        A sad example of someone who can’t separate the personal from society in general.

        – My family member/friend/etc. is X
        – I love them regardless of X
        – Anyone disagreeing about X is attacking that love
        – You are bad

        I will always love my daughter. I will not tell my daughter everything is fine just because she does it and it makes her happy. That’s not love. Would I be a good parent if I told my daughter:

        – Stealing another woman’s husband is okay because my daughter was lonely?
        – Doing drugs because they make her happy?

        And one gets the point. Loving her wouldn’t be, “Hey I love you all the same. You be you!”

        This isn’t intended to insult. But your daughter is more likely to end up into drugs and suffering violence in such a relationship. It will also be barren.

      163. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        Joe, please don’t go!

        • Disagree: Dan Hayes
      164. e says:
        @stillCARealist
        Some friends went to a Monarch's game in the early days of its existence. Attendance was pretty good, but they were grossed out by the number of lesbians in the stands. They said it was uncanny how many female couples were cuddling all over the place.

        They didn't go again.

        That happened back in the 70s when we went to see Lily Tomlin. Several rows of tank-topped lesbians with armpit hair sat in front of us (it was, after all, an outdoor venue and a very warm summer’s night in Contra Costa County), and it seems they thought they’d give the straight crowd a show by making the pre-performance time a make-out session. Their self-indulgence was laughable.

        Tomlin was funny enough to make up for the distractions.

      165. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        You’ll be missed by many of us, Buffalo Joe. Reconsider?

      166. @stillCARealist
        wow you're pretty hardcore there. Girls should have their femininity encouraged, but those with athletic talent shouldn't be held back simply because the parents are worried that they'll turn out queer. Forcing a girl to express more femininity than God gave her will just produce rebellion.

        Oh, and all that "I'm a lesbian" stuff is largely rebellion. When most of these women finally meet a guy who likes them despite all their issues, they'll jump on him.

        Agree about the baking. It's sugar and eggs and flour and butter and more sugar. Delicious, but quite fattening. Gardening is a dying art and it should be encouraged for all kids much more than it is.

        I garden from April to November. I would garden year-round if I didn’t live in Maine.

      167. @Paleo Liberal
        Very touching.

        When your daughter was born, in your heart you made a promise to her. I’m glad to see you are keeping that promise.

        Studies show that girls with kind and loving fathers do better in life, and have healthier relationships.

        I truly hope all of your children find happiness for all their lives.

        Girls who have loving and kind fathers will find it easier to trust a man and relax with one later on. And as a counselor said to a guy I know, And, you’ll have better odds of ending up with a decent son-in-law.

      168. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
        @Screwtape
        “Angry lesbian” is intersectionality at work. Its the adopted African baby of lesbian jock and Angry Black Woman baller. A lot of resentment and hostility toward normal in the gay and black “community”. The NBA went full ghetto and the WMBA went gay ghetto, angry that while ghetto is cool, gay ghetto is just kinda gross.

        Back in early ‘00s A friend played for the LA Sparks. They had multiple community/PR outreach events that were wither directly (at a gay bar) or indirectly (at the invite of some lgbtqiap group) pandering to the lesbian audience.

        She was not gay. Hated every minute. But also worth noting, many NCAA schools are well known for being “pro gay” to the point of being hostile toward straight women.

        Several “top” schools even. A head coach is openly gay and staffs up other openly gay coaches and recruits a disproportionately gay class or two and that becomes the culture. It is a big factor for many women selecting schools. So it starts well before the WNBA.

        It is an extension of title ix. Women are minorities. Gays are minorities. The double victim branding cannot be called into question so it becomes an entitled and hostile beast. The culture of the petulant child is no surprise.

        The league new nobody really wanted the WNBA but like all those womens rugby teams starting up at the cost of shutting down men’s swimming, a lack of demand is no reason to deny progress.

        The WNBA is a Virtue signaling tribute tax to the progressive gods. So while the NBA has drifted increasingly ghetto, so goes the WNBA.

        But while thug culture has a wide market appeal, it is distinctly male hetero. WNBA lesbians may control the culture of their sport but they can’t make it attractive to the normy market. So: angry!

        Women are minorities.

        They are in fact a slight majority. Moreso when a good war breaks out.

      169. @ATBOTL
        Strongly agree. It's become very common in recent years for white female college athletes to have sexual relationships with black athletes. Colleges today push all the athletes together socially in a way they didn't a generation ago. They have all these joint social activities and shared training facilities and housing. You have situations where the male athletes are mostly black, due to the huge football roster and the female athletes are mostly white and they are being aggressively pushed together.

        It's exactly the kind of situation that a sane white society would go to any length to avoid.

        Look at recent college sex scandals -- white female athletes showing up over and over. Look at the Baylor rapes, that case in Utah where a black ex-con killed one of his several white college girlfriends etc.

        The toll must be paid, bruh.

      170. @indocon
        Well you all would not believe who is the newest entrant to the club:
        https://twitter.com/RachelADolezal/status/1140065683964747776?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-13707248683923398261.ampproject.net%2F1906141418310%2Fframe.html

        Why not? This is a no risk virtue signal for any young woman here in Clown World.

      171. @Clyde
        OT
        'He's finished!' U2 guitarist The Edge's dreams of building $100million family compound on an untouched Malibu mountainside are shattered after he loses a 14-YEAR legal battle
        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7151333/U2-guitarist-Edges-dreams-building-100-million-family-compound-Malibu-shattered.html

        No worries.

        The Edge will retreat to his yacht with his bro Bono and they will console themselves with some nubile young coeds:

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1080636/What-St-Bonos-wife-say-partying-teenage-girls.html

      172. The most important BB skill is “driving to the Hole” and “Stuffing it” – and steve wonders why Lesbians dominate.

        • Replies: @R.G. Camara

        The most important BB skill is “driving to the Hole” and “Stuffing it” – and steve wonders why Lesbians dominate.
         
        lol. That does cause some confusion, since Lesbians are known very widely for not stuffing it and failing to drive to the Hole. See Lesbian Bed Death:

        https://web.archive.org/save/https://www.pride.com/lesbian/2015/7/23/10-stages-lesbian-bed-death-you-probably-recognize
      173. Have you ever seen a College female Rugby team? Lesbian percentage =99%.

        Most straight girls play HS Team sports for a variety of reasons. (1) keeps them thin (2) may win them a college scholarship & looks good on the college application (3) Camaraderie with all the other girls (4) Gives them something to do until they get a Football cheerleader spot.

        As a result, they go for soccer, swimming, tennis, etc.

      174. I’ve tried to watch the WNBA but got bored fast. They can’t jump. They can’t dunk. And their shooting isn’t anything special. If you are female, 6 feet tall and can walk and chew gum, you can be a starting WNBA power forward.

        The best thing about the South Korean girls is that most of them are straight. We’ve had more pretty girls win the US Golf Open in the last 5 years. than in the whole 1980-2000 era. And that’s a good thing.

      175. @Buzz Mohawk
        Skiing is still good.

        Mikaela Shiffrin celebrating
        https://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Mikaela_Shiffrin_American_flag-e1518703343720.jpg

        Lindsey Vonn getting her picture taken
        https://www.gotceleb.com/wp-content/uploads/celebrities/lindsey-vonn/sports-illustrated-swimsuit-2010/Lindsey-Vonn---SI-Swimsuit-2010-24.jpg

        Like the extra effort by the guy in the green.

      176. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        Please, “Say it ain’t so, Joe!”

        Your loving statement about your daughter makes perfect sense. I see from the replies already that I am not the only one here who supports and agrees with you completely. You are a good father, right down to your fierce defense of your child.

        Man-to-man, if there is anything I have posted here that has insulted her or offended your sensibilities, I am sorry, and I am willing to read everything you have to say about it.

        Every once in a while, for my own reasons, I think about refraining from commenting here for an extended period or perhaps for good, but so far I haven’t done that.

        You, one of my favorite commenters, simply must not disappear from this forum. You can do more by continuing to give us hell if you think we are out of line. You can teach those who will listen.

        Please stay.

      177. @Honesthughgrant
        The most important BB skill is "driving to the Hole" and "Stuffing it" - and steve wonders why Lesbians dominate.

        The most important BB skill is “driving to the Hole” and “Stuffing it” – and steve wonders why Lesbians dominate.

        lol. That does cause some confusion, since Lesbians are known very widely for not stuffing it and failing to drive to the Hole. See Lesbian Bed Death:

        https://web.archive.org/save/https://www.pride.com/lesbian/2015/7/23/10-stages-lesbian-bed-death-you-probably-recognize

      178. “When NBA supremo David Stern founded it in the 1990s, he presumably assumed it would be staffed by tall, elegant Daddy’s Girls, like high and college female basketball.”

        How do you know that Stern thought that? Stern is a New York City Jew with endless connections to ultra liberal political and social groups and movements. I knew in the 1990s that lesbians who cared about sports, and pro-lesbian hetero feminists who cared about sports, saw basketball as their great hope to use sport to promote lesbians.

        Are you aware that Joe Paterno first became a villain by being the AD who hired, and backed 100%, a women’s basketball coach, Rene Portland, who was openly anti-lesbian?

        • Replies: @George
        How do you know that Stern thought that?

        My vague memory of the business press coverage was some people noticed that there were somewhat profitable European Women's BBall leagues and were attempting to start one in the US. So the NBA preempted them. I don't think Women's BBall is profitable in the US.

        I don't get the angry Lesbian remark. What was the woman in the picture doing that seemed angry?

        What happened to Women's MMA? It went from wholesome CIS (but childless) more or less nontattooed women (Rousey) to tattoed Brazilian (not angry) Lesbians (Nunes, Cyborg, Andrade). Oddly it is the Brazillian Lesbians that claim they want to start families.

        July 6: Amanda tattoed Brazilian youngish (not angry) Lesbian married Nunes vs Holly divorced cis (but childless) middle-aged 'Becky' Holm
        , @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

        Stern is a New York City Jew with endless connections to ultra liberal political and social groups and movements.
         
        No doubt he and his successor, a fellow tribesman of course, are managing the NBA just as Joogle and Faceburg have been managed - be responsive to market needs to establish power, then use it as a giant PR machine to propagate the Jew Agenda.

        Last fall Stern's successor and the black lady figurehead of the players union (Jew staff attorneys provide the brainpower, Jew agents are the puppet-masters) put out this joint letter to the players weaponizing them against Trump and for kosher views:

        https://twitter.com/CJMcCollum/status/1042151439219359744

        After Trump's election at least three head coaches, Kerr, Popovich and Stan Van Gundy, put out almost identical statements condemning not just Trump but those who voted for him disregarding the reality two of the three of those guys worked in states Trump carried - talk about insulting the customers.

        The NBA makes its recognizable employees rich beyond fantasy all because of television. A large part of the television popularity is due to the fact everything else on tv but sports is so vilely immoral families can't watch together so sports wins by default, the irony being that many of the players lead personal lives that make tv immorality look mild by comparison.

        Then you have white guys like the coaches named above who probably never had a black classmate or teammate before college and almost no grass roots associations with blacks, dealing only with blacks on college scholarship or high income pro contracts, but boy do they know how to sound lefty diverse to stay in the mix on the NBA gravy train.
      179. @pyrrhus
        Fortunately, since the WNBA's fan base and viewership are both close to zero, hardly anybody knows this....I sometimes ask my sports fan friends to name one WNBA franchise by team name...They can't do it..

        Chicago Bull Dykes

      180. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        I’ll miss you Joe. You’re one of the good ones.

        • Disagree: Dan Hayes
      181. @JimB
        In general, all American sports have become more aggressively competitive with style taking a back seat. In football, it began with the 1985 Chicago Bears debuting one of the first 300 lb players, The Refrigerator Perry. In tennis, it was Bjorn Borg and Jimmy Connors in the 70's who used sheer physical power and aluminum rackets to overwhelm their competitors. I'm not familiar with golf or basket ball, but I'm sure there were watershed players in those sports too who decided musculature and speed were more important than strategy. Women's basketball just naturally started selecting for players with more testosterone and shorter index fingers who were capable of a faster tempo game. The angry lesbian basketball player and the male tennis player with 5 o'clock shadow at 1 pm just seem to be the evolutionary end products of live network sportscasting.

        I can’t dispute your overall point, indeed, I agree, but think re. tennis you are thinking of Boris Becker, Lendl, and Sampras.

        Borg played with a wooden racquet (Donnay Borg and Bancroft Borg) until the end of his real career in 1982 (not counting the later early 90s matches, the first of which he also attempted to play with wood). Not a weak server but didn’t really overwhelm so much as outlast and outplay. Connors had a steel racquet (Wilson T2000) and great groundstrokes but actually had a pretty weak serve. Rare to see a Connors ace more than once a set if I remember correctly. McEnroe and Roscoe Tanner had big serves but the real power game came in post 1985 and post-wood, with Becker, Lendl, Sampras, Agassi, and Courier.

        Just desserts when the tranny “women” take over women’s play.

      182. @Steve Sailer
        A more complete answer is that volleyball is a non-contact sport. Competitive basketball is a full-contact sport created for men.

        Hockey is a full contact sport, with boxing interludes, but basketball in theory wasn't supposed to be.

        Volleyball features violent overhand strikes and tests of strength above the net.

        Volleyball features violent overhand strikes and tests of strength above the net.

        Maybe, but the teams don’t come into contact with each other. In collegiate women’s volleyball, the players gather on their respective sides after each point and they all hug each other. It’s pretty easy to watch collegiate women’s volleyball and think ‘holy crap, that girl is an exactly proportional Barbie doll!” I certainly did when I volunteered to take my wife and young daughter to games to support women’s sports. Go to Youtube and type in “volleyball barbie” (lots of girls), then compare to “basketball barbie” (none!).

        I don’t know how James Naismith conceived of the game, but I can tell you that by the 1970’s, when I played a lot of pick up games on courts surrounded by ten foot cyclone fencing, it was not gentlemanly. If you couldn’t take a lot of physical contact, and dish it out, you didn’t play.

        Women don’t have any real originality; WNBA women try to play like they see the men play. Since they can’t, everyone can see that it’s deficient.

        The WNBA doesn’t work because 1) it’s a two-dimensional game [women can’t jump], 2) women are too weak in the upper body to shoot like men [they don’t shoot they throw at the basket] and 3) they don’t have the ability to spontaneously compose new moves, running plays is boring to watch (that’s my Art Tatum argument).

        My two cents. OK, three cents.

        • Replies: @Unladen Swallow
        Volleyball lowered the net for women by a foot, maybe basketball should also lower the rim, and also use a smaller basketball, because you're right the game is boring.
      183. @Truth

        Almost all of the top players today are dating or married to men,
         
        ...And most of the are men.

        If they really were men they would be able to play against men and they obviously can’t.

      184. @Art Deco
        King was married for 22 years, a bloc of time which included her entire professional career and touring amateur career. She's admitted she didn't have any interest in women in 1965. That came later. Her lesbianism was not a matter of public knowledge until the but-end of her career. (Her retirement was delayed because she had overdue legal bills to pay). Navratilova's best years (1978-87) included her bisexual period. The others they were jostling with at the top included Margaret Court (married for decades, with children), Evonne Goolagong (ditto), Tracy Austin (ditto), Steffi Graf (ditto). Chris Evert's decades-long history of sexual transgression (all with men) is well known. Virginia Wade's an old spinster; if she's a lesbian she refuses to make a public point of it.

        Venus and Serena Williams are also straight.

      185. @Buzz Mohawk
        OT:

        UN: World population expected to rise to 9.7 billion in 2050

        From the Bezos Post article:

        The new population projections indicate that nine countries will be responsible for more than half the projected population growth between now and 2050. In descending order of the expected increase, they are: India, Nigeria, Pakistan, Congo, Ethiopia, Tanzania, Indonesia, Egypt and the United States.
         
        (emphasis of course mine)

        The United States is only on the list because of massive immigration.The birth rate for Americans who were actually born here is below replacement level.

      186. @ATBOTL
        Strongly agree. It's become very common in recent years for white female college athletes to have sexual relationships with black athletes. Colleges today push all the athletes together socially in a way they didn't a generation ago. They have all these joint social activities and shared training facilities and housing. You have situations where the male athletes are mostly black, due to the huge football roster and the female athletes are mostly white and they are being aggressively pushed together.

        It's exactly the kind of situation that a sane white society would go to any length to avoid.

        Look at recent college sex scandals -- white female athletes showing up over and over. Look at the Baylor rapes, that case in Utah where a black ex-con killed one of his several white college girlfriends etc.

        Also the Vanderbilt gang rape where three of the four assailants were black and the victim white.

      187. The only female sport I ever cared about – nude oil wrestling.

      188. @Paleo Liberal
        A guy I used to know wrote a book about his mother’s exploits in 6-6 basketball in Iowa.

        Iowa has some weird sports. Small towns and hard to put together sports that way.

        Iowa girls still played six-on-six when I was in high school, but switched over to five-on-five in the early 1990s.

        The six-on-six game was better suited to girls, I think, with less physical contact, more passing, and often very high scores.

        Because defensive players were limited in the ways they could harass the girl with the ball, talented individuals could really run up the point totals. It was common for the best forwards to score in the 50s and 60s, and sometimes even higher than that.

      189. @JimB
        In general, all American sports have become more aggressively competitive with style taking a back seat. In football, it began with the 1985 Chicago Bears debuting one of the first 300 lb players, The Refrigerator Perry. In tennis, it was Bjorn Borg and Jimmy Connors in the 70's who used sheer physical power and aluminum rackets to overwhelm their competitors. I'm not familiar with golf or basket ball, but I'm sure there were watershed players in those sports too who decided musculature and speed were more important than strategy. Women's basketball just naturally started selecting for players with more testosterone and shorter index fingers who were capable of a faster tempo game. The angry lesbian basketball player and the male tennis player with 5 o'clock shadow at 1 pm just seem to be the evolutionary end products of live network sportscasting.

        The irony of The Fridge is that if the 1985 version of him entered the NFL now, he would have just been called Bill Perry.

      190. @pyrrhus
        Fortunately, since the WNBA's fan base and viewership are both close to zero, hardly anybody knows this....I sometimes ask my sports fan friends to name one WNBA franchise by team name...They can't do it..

        Zero? Not really. When the Lynx won the championship a couple of years ago they had a victory parade for them in Minneapolis. Huge crowd, must have been at least 200 people there.

      191. @MagyarFasz

        an athlete born male would retain physical advantages in such things as lung capacity and bone structure.

         
        Good thing that USAPL figured this out in 2019 -- it is not like an illiterate Hungarian serf couldn't have figured that out in the Middle Ages.

        To be fair, USAPL is ahead of the curve on this.

      192. @Desiderius

        David Stern founded it in the 1990s, he presumably assumed it would be staffed by tall, elegant Daddy’s Girls, like high and college female basketball.
         
        Prominent Jews don't seem to have a keen sense of how inflow and outflow of people with different characteristics can transform a given population.

        Since the current commissioner is also Jewish, the NBA hasn’t had a gentile commissioner since 1984, when it was Larry O’Brien. If that name sounds familiar, he was chairman of the DNC during Watergate. Therefore it was his office that was broken into that fateful night.

      193. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        Stick around Joe, we need your decency.

        • Replies: @Steve Sailer
        Indeed.
      194. @Anon7
        Volleyball features violent overhand strikes and tests of strength above the net.

        Maybe, but the teams don't come into contact with each other. In collegiate women's volleyball, the players gather on their respective sides after each point and they all hug each other. It's pretty easy to watch collegiate women's volleyball and think 'holy crap, that girl is an exactly proportional Barbie doll!" I certainly did when I volunteered to take my wife and young daughter to games to support women's sports. Go to Youtube and type in "volleyball barbie" (lots of girls), then compare to "basketball barbie" (none!).

        I don't know how James Naismith conceived of the game, but I can tell you that by the 1970's, when I played a lot of pick up games on courts surrounded by ten foot cyclone fencing, it was not gentlemanly. If you couldn't take a lot of physical contact, and dish it out, you didn't play.

        Women don't have any real originality; WNBA women try to play like they see the men play. Since they can't, everyone can see that it's deficient.

        The WNBA doesn't work because 1) it's a two-dimensional game [women can't jump], 2) women are too weak in the upper body to shoot like men [they don't shoot they throw at the basket] and 3) they don't have the ability to spontaneously compose new moves, running plays is boring to watch (that's my Art Tatum argument).

        My two cents. OK, three cents.

        Volleyball lowered the net for women by a foot, maybe basketball should also lower the rim, and also use a smaller basketball, because you’re right the game is boring.

      195. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)
        My pet theory is that a long ring finger is a great advantage in handling the basketball and shooting the basketball accurately at the point of release. We know that digit ratio is correlated with homosexual behavior (gestational exposure to testosterone), so women who can: a) handle the basketball; b) shoot the basketball; and c) are aggressive/competitive and sports oriented will select for women who can be attracted to women.

        Even the women's basketball players who don't butch it up wind up being with other women. For example, I thought Elena Delle Donne was fairly good looking for 6'5" - but her digit ratio is male:

        https://i.ytimg.com/vi/yYrYML4vcFQ/maxresdefault.jpg

        And then she wound up marrying a woman:

        https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d1/8f/ae/d18fae27d73c2134b09c9bcd7a0cbf39.jpg

        Actually, I think there’s a good chance that the woman to EDD’s right (from the viewer’s perspective) is her older sister Lizzie, who has multiple disabilities. Specifically, Lizzie is autistic, has cerebral palsy, and is blind and deaf. (Many stories on EDD detail Lizzie’s situation.)

        As for other people in the picture, I’d guess her parents are on the far left—dad is 6-6, mom is 6-2—and her older brother Gene (between Lizzie and EDD in age) is on the far right (6-6; played tight end for Duke and Middle Tennessee).

      196. @Buffalo Joe
        Fredrik, There is nothing wrong with having your daughters play sports. One, it give them something to do that requires a time commitment (practice and games), good for when you go to work. And two, it gets them involved socially with other girls, students, that they probably would not have known otherwise. Three, it is a good point on a college application or resume'. My youngest daughter's resume that noted she was team captain on two sports, for two years, says alot about leadership. And three, who said their was anything wrong with being a lesbian?

        I was just going to leave this one, but seeing as you brought up God and prayer, I figure He should get to have the last say here.

        The good – you should still love your daughter even if she chooses depravity.

        The bad:

        Matthew 10:37-38 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

        Romans 1:26 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

        A daughter is a wonderful good, but a terrible god.

        • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
        Seeing as you brought up God, I will bring up Reason:

        "When an objection cannot be made formidable, there is some policy in trying to make it frightful; and to substitute the yell and the war-whoop, in the place of reason, argument, and good order. Jesuitical cunning always endeavors to disgrace what it cannot disprove." [Quoted by Joseph Lewis in Inspiration and Wisdom from the Writings of Thomas Paine]

        "As to the book called the Bible, it is blasphemy to call it the Word of God. It is a book of lies and contradictions, and a history of bad times and bad men. There are but a few good characters in the whole book." [Thomas Paine, Letter to William Duane, April 23, 1806]

        "That God cannot lie, is no advantage to your argument, because it is no proof that priests can not, or that the Bible does not." [The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9 p. 134]
      197. WJ says:
        @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        I read the responses to this person and I wonder if somehow I have been transported to some other web site. On a usually snarky site where the posters are typically cynical and sarcastic there are people acting like they actually care about this anonymous internet poster and his drama queen family story. Weird.

        • Replies: @William Badwhite
        Joe generally makes quality comments, plus he seems to be a nice guy. The world could use fewer cynics.

        He also seems a tad older than the others here and the perspective from a different generation is often valuable.

        If this was some chirping parrot like Corvinus or one of the silly trolls like Duck nobody would care and the comments would be "good riddance" and that sort of thing.
        , @Neil Templeton
        Cynicism and sarcasm are likely highly correlated with empathy.
      198. anonymous[252] • Disclaimer says:
        @Buffalo Joe
        Fredrik, There is nothing wrong with having your daughters play sports. One, it give them something to do that requires a time commitment (practice and games), good for when you go to work. And two, it gets them involved socially with other girls, students, that they probably would not have known otherwise. Three, it is a good point on a college application or resume'. My youngest daughter's resume that noted she was team captain on two sports, for two years, says alot about leadership. And three, who said their was anything wrong with being a lesbian?

        The highly selective colleges use sports to select a large percentage of their female NAM admissions. Unfortunate but true. Buffalo Joe is quite right about it being good on a college application. His opinion regarding being a lesbian is another matter.

      199. @Jake
        "When NBA supremo David Stern founded it in the 1990s, he presumably assumed it would be staffed by tall, elegant Daddy’s Girls, like high and college female basketball."

        How do you know that Stern thought that? Stern is a New York City Jew with endless connections to ultra liberal political and social groups and movements. I knew in the 1990s that lesbians who cared about sports, and pro-lesbian hetero feminists who cared about sports, saw basketball as their great hope to use sport to promote lesbians.

        Are you aware that Joe Paterno first became a villain by being the AD who hired, and backed 100%, a women's basketball coach, Rene Portland, who was openly anti-lesbian?

        How do you know that Stern thought that?

        My vague memory of the business press coverage was some people noticed that there were somewhat profitable European Women’s BBall leagues and were attempting to start one in the US. So the NBA preempted them. I don’t think Women’s BBall is profitable in the US.

        I don’t get the angry Lesbian remark. What was the woman in the picture doing that seemed angry?

        What happened to Women’s MMA? It went from wholesome CIS (but childless) more or less nontattooed women (Rousey) to tattoed Brazilian (not angry) Lesbians (Nunes, Cyborg, Andrade). Oddly it is the Brazillian Lesbians that claim they want to start families.

        July 6: Amanda tattoed Brazilian youngish (not angry) Lesbian married Nunes vs Holly divorced cis (but childless) middle-aged ‘Becky’ Holm

      200. @Jake
        "When NBA supremo David Stern founded it in the 1990s, he presumably assumed it would be staffed by tall, elegant Daddy’s Girls, like high and college female basketball."

        How do you know that Stern thought that? Stern is a New York City Jew with endless connections to ultra liberal political and social groups and movements. I knew in the 1990s that lesbians who cared about sports, and pro-lesbian hetero feminists who cared about sports, saw basketball as their great hope to use sport to promote lesbians.

        Are you aware that Joe Paterno first became a villain by being the AD who hired, and backed 100%, a women's basketball coach, Rene Portland, who was openly anti-lesbian?

        Stern is a New York City Jew with endless connections to ultra liberal political and social groups and movements.

        No doubt he and his successor, a fellow tribesman of course, are managing the NBA just as Joogle and Faceburg have been managed – be responsive to market needs to establish power, then use it as a giant PR machine to propagate the Jew Agenda.

        Last fall Stern’s successor and the black lady figurehead of the players union (Jew staff attorneys provide the brainpower, Jew agents are the puppet-masters) put out this joint letter to the players weaponizing them against Trump and for kosher views:

        After Trump’s election at least three head coaches, Kerr, Popovich and Stan Van Gundy, put out almost identical statements condemning not just Trump but those who voted for him disregarding the reality two of the three of those guys worked in states Trump carried – talk about insulting the customers.

        The NBA makes its recognizable employees rich beyond fantasy all because of television. A large part of the television popularity is due to the fact everything else on tv but sports is so vilely immoral families can’t watch together so sports wins by default, the irony being that many of the players lead personal lives that make tv immorality look mild by comparison.

        Then you have white guys like the coaches named above who probably never had a black classmate or teammate before college and almost no grass roots associations with blacks, dealing only with blacks on college scholarship or high income pro contracts, but boy do they know how to sound lefty diverse to stay in the mix on the NBA gravy train.

        • Replies: @Ron Mexico
        Did CJ McCollum know that he used the white power emoji 👌?
      201. @R.G. Camara
        So your daughter is disordered, and instead of helping her overcome her disorder you get all bent out of shape that people make fun of people with her disorder who wallow in it?

        No wonder you were so uppity defending women's soccer as something to support (lol). Seriously, you need to do some soul searching: allowing your daughter to wallow in her lesbianism disorder is like allowing her to wallow in alcoholism or drug addiction or any other self-destructive disorder.

        Your daughter needs help---perhaps even harsh help---and not this "support" of her disordered, intrinsically evil lifestyle. You're enabling her, not loving her.

        I’ve known a few women who were lesbians when they were young and are now married to men and have children. I’ve never known of gay men who switched like that.

        • Replies: @Jim Don Bob
        https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lug
        , @ScarletNumber

        I’ve known a few women who were lesbians when they were young and are now married to men and have children.
         
        No you didn't. They were just pretending because guys in their peer group were idiots and they couldn't deal with them. Once they matured they were happy dating and marrying them.
      202. @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree

        Stern is a New York City Jew with endless connections to ultra liberal political and social groups and movements.
         
        No doubt he and his successor, a fellow tribesman of course, are managing the NBA just as Joogle and Faceburg have been managed - be responsive to market needs to establish power, then use it as a giant PR machine to propagate the Jew Agenda.

        Last fall Stern's successor and the black lady figurehead of the players union (Jew staff attorneys provide the brainpower, Jew agents are the puppet-masters) put out this joint letter to the players weaponizing them against Trump and for kosher views:

        https://twitter.com/CJMcCollum/status/1042151439219359744

        After Trump's election at least three head coaches, Kerr, Popovich and Stan Van Gundy, put out almost identical statements condemning not just Trump but those who voted for him disregarding the reality two of the three of those guys worked in states Trump carried - talk about insulting the customers.

        The NBA makes its recognizable employees rich beyond fantasy all because of television. A large part of the television popularity is due to the fact everything else on tv but sports is so vilely immoral families can't watch together so sports wins by default, the irony being that many of the players lead personal lives that make tv immorality look mild by comparison.

        Then you have white guys like the coaches named above who probably never had a black classmate or teammate before college and almost no grass roots associations with blacks, dealing only with blacks on college scholarship or high income pro contracts, but boy do they know how to sound lefty diverse to stay in the mix on the NBA gravy train.

        Did CJ McCollum know that he used the white power emoji 👌?

        • Replies: @Farrakhan.DDuke.AliceWalker.AllAgree
        Great point!

        You've trolled him just as the guy(s) who came up with that meme have trolled the system.
      203. @WJ
        I read the responses to this person and I wonder if somehow I have been transported to some other web site. On a usually snarky site where the posters are typically cynical and sarcastic there are people acting like they actually care about this anonymous internet poster and his drama queen family story. Weird.

        Joe generally makes quality comments, plus he seems to be a nice guy. The world could use fewer cynics.

        He also seems a tad older than the others here and the perspective from a different generation is often valuable.

        If this was some chirping parrot like Corvinus or one of the silly trolls like Duck nobody would care and the comments would be “good riddance” and that sort of thing.

        • Agree: Buzz Mohawk, Jim Don Bob
      204. @WJ
        I read the responses to this person and I wonder if somehow I have been transported to some other web site. On a usually snarky site where the posters are typically cynical and sarcastic there are people acting like they actually care about this anonymous internet poster and his drama queen family story. Weird.

        Cynicism and sarcasm are likely highly correlated with empathy.

      205. @R.G. Camara
        So your daughter is disordered, and instead of helping her overcome her disorder you get all bent out of shape that people make fun of people with her disorder who wallow in it?

        No wonder you were so uppity defending women's soccer as something to support (lol). Seriously, you need to do some soul searching: allowing your daughter to wallow in her lesbianism disorder is like allowing her to wallow in alcoholism or drug addiction or any other self-destructive disorder.

        Your daughter needs help---perhaps even harsh help---and not this "support" of her disordered, intrinsically evil lifestyle. You're enabling her, not loving her.

        Who are you to determine that folks you don’t even know need help?

      206. @Desiderius
        Your nonexistent grandchildren.

        Good example here why third person (one) works better than second (you) for the general case. If I’d said, “One’s nonexistent grandchildren,”then he’s less likely to take it personally.

      207. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        Sorry bud, but you failed your daughter. Failed even more than the father who didnt keep his daughter off the brass pole.

        Fathers are supposed to be leaders of their families, not followers of evil dysgenic trends.

      208. @R.G. Camara
        So your daughter is disordered, and instead of helping her overcome her disorder you get all bent out of shape that people make fun of people with her disorder who wallow in it?

        No wonder you were so uppity defending women's soccer as something to support (lol). Seriously, you need to do some soul searching: allowing your daughter to wallow in her lesbianism disorder is like allowing her to wallow in alcoholism or drug addiction or any other self-destructive disorder.

        Your daughter needs help---perhaps even harsh help---and not this "support" of her disordered, intrinsically evil lifestyle. You're enabling her, not loving her.

        Hit the nail on the head.

      209. @Lot
        Joe, I don’t Steve’s post should be seen as denigrating all lesbians.

        There’s an angry lesbian subculture in America, acknowledging its existence doesn’t mean it includes all lesbians.

        If anything, the paleo right, especially its secular members like Steve, have been defending the rights of lesbians to do their own thing, whether in women’s sports or all-women music festivals, without having transexual “male lesbians” butt in and disrupt.

        There’s an angry lesbian subculture in America, acknowledging its existence doesn’t mean it includes all lesbians.

        There are probably lots of non-angry lesbians out there. It’s just that nobody has ever encountered one.

        Seriously, even my close friend who’s a lesbian thinks all lesbians are crazy and angry.

        The idea that there are lots of healthy happy well-adjusted lesbians out there is the kind of thing that only a cuck would believe.

        • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk

        There are probably lots of non-angry lesbians out there. It’s just that nobody has ever encountered one.
         
        I'm pretty sure I've met some.

        But it doesn't matter. Even if all lesbians are angry and crazy, that is not the point. Buffalo Joe alluded to that fact that his daughter did not choose the harder road; she simply exists on it, or, if you prefer, God put her on it.

        Now, you can debate all you want (as I'm sure many long-timers have ad-infinitum here) whether homosexuality is a choice, a disease, a mental illness, a virus, genetic, or (my hypothesis) simply a random, behavioral-genetic drift that happens sometimes, regardless of its evolutionary value, in our normal genetic design.

        When you bake cookies with a round design on an assembly line, some few will not quite be round, even though the plan is. Call it error if you want; it happens in everything. Maybe our sexual code is prone to a certain, unavoidable percentage of variation that simply cannot not be a part of the blueprint. I have always felt that arguments that this should have evolved out over time are too simplistic.

        The fact is few people would select this voluntarily at birth if God gave them a choice -- because it is a harder road.

        Joe's daughter cried because she really didn't want to have to tell her father that she had a girlfriend. This is the kind of experience that countless homosexual people experience. It is not their choice. Even if all lesbians were angry and crazy, they would not be that way by choice. And they aren't. As Lot said, that is a subset.

        I certainly have my gripes about subsets of homosexuals. I've known far too many faggy men, and they annoy me. I have a right to say that, and it doesn't mean I don't understand what I just wrote above.

        People here lecturing a father and telling him that his daughter has some kind of illness that can be cured are full of shit. They have no idea what they are talking about, and they should show some decency.
      210. @Ghost of Bull Moose
        Stick around Joe, we need your decency.

        Indeed.

        • Replies: @Ghost of Bull Moose
        I know I sure do, but it's hard not to work black on the threads.
      211. @stillCARealist
        wow you're pretty hardcore there. Girls should have their femininity encouraged, but those with athletic talent shouldn't be held back simply because the parents are worried that they'll turn out queer. Forcing a girl to express more femininity than God gave her will just produce rebellion.

        Oh, and all that "I'm a lesbian" stuff is largely rebellion. When most of these women finally meet a guy who likes them despite all their issues, they'll jump on him.

        Agree about the baking. It's sugar and eggs and flour and butter and more sugar. Delicious, but quite fattening. Gardening is a dying art and it should be encouraged for all kids much more than it is.

        wow you’re pretty hardcore there. Girls should have their femininity encouraged, but those with athletic talent shouldn’t be held back simply because the parents are worried that they’ll turn out queer

        I’m not so sure about that. Allowing a daughter to get involved in a sport that is overrun with lesbians seems like a pretty irresponsible thing to do. It’s a bit like thinking that allowing her to hang around with drug addicts won’t do her any harm.

        Oh, and all that “I’m a lesbian” stuff is largely rebellion. When most of these women finally meet a guy who likes them despite all their issues, they’ll jump on him.

        That’s partly true, but the problem is that by the time they meet a man they like they’re going to be badly damaged psychologically.

      212. @Joshua
        I was just going to leave this one, but seeing as you brought up God and prayer, I figure He should get to have the last say here.

        The good - you should still love your daughter even if she chooses depravity.

        The bad:

        Matthew 10:37-38 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

        Romans 1:26 26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

        A daughter is a wonderful good, but a terrible god.

        Seeing as you brought up God, I will bring up Reason:

        “When an objection cannot be made formidable, there is some policy in trying to make it frightful; and to substitute the yell and the war-whoop, in the place of reason, argument, and good order. Jesuitical cunning always endeavors to disgrace what it cannot disprove.” [Quoted by Joseph Lewis in Inspiration and Wisdom from the Writings of Thomas Paine]

        “As to the book called the Bible, it is blasphemy to call it the Word of God. It is a book of lies and contradictions, and a history of bad times and bad men. There are but a few good characters in the whole book.” [Thomas Paine, Letter to William Duane, April 23, 1806]

        “That God cannot lie, is no advantage to your argument, because it is no proof that priests can not, or that the Bible does not.” [The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9 p. 134]

        • Replies: @anon
        Following the likes of Paine is key how the West ended up in such a sorry state.
      213. @Steve Sailer
        Indeed.

        I know I sure do, but it’s hard not to work black on the threads.

      214. @dfordoom

        There’s an angry lesbian subculture in America, acknowledging its existence doesn’t mean it includes all lesbians.
         
        There are probably lots of non-angry lesbians out there. It's just that nobody has ever encountered one.

        Seriously, even my close friend who's a lesbian thinks all lesbians are crazy and angry.

        The idea that there are lots of healthy happy well-adjusted lesbians out there is the kind of thing that only a cuck would believe.

        There are probably lots of non-angry lesbians out there. It’s just that nobody has ever encountered one.

        I’m pretty sure I’ve met some.

        But it doesn’t matter. Even if all lesbians are angry and crazy, that is not the point. Buffalo Joe alluded to that fact that his daughter did not choose the harder road; she simply exists on it, or, if you prefer, God put her on it.

        Now, you can debate all you want (as I’m sure many long-timers have ad-infinitum here) whether homosexuality is a choice, a disease, a mental illness, a virus, genetic, or (my hypothesis) simply a random, behavioral-genetic drift that happens sometimes, regardless of its evolutionary value, in our normal genetic design.

        When you bake cookies with a round design on an assembly line, some few will not quite be round, even though the plan is. Call it error if you want; it happens in everything. Maybe our sexual code is prone to a certain, unavoidable percentage of variation that simply cannot not be a part of the blueprint. I have always felt that arguments that this should have evolved out over time are too simplistic.

        The fact is few people would select this voluntarily at birth if God gave them a choice — because it is a harder road.

        Joe’s daughter cried because she really didn’t want to have to tell her father that she had a girlfriend. This is the kind of experience that countless homosexual people experience. It is not their choice. Even if all lesbians were angry and crazy, they would not be that way by choice. And they aren’t. As Lot said, that is a subset.

        I certainly have my gripes about subsets of homosexuals. I’ve known far too many faggy men, and they annoy me. I have a right to say that, and it doesn’t mean I don’t understand what I just wrote above.

        People here lecturing a father and telling him that his daughter has some kind of illness that can be cured are full of shit. They have no idea what they are talking about, and they should show some decency.

        • Agree: Jim Don Bob
        • Replies: @Desiderius
        Buzz,

        You’re wrong on about five or six points and making up shit about those who disagree with you and what we believe and why. You’re also in tune with the entire zeitgeist and the prejudices of at least two generations.

        Is that you, Justice Kennedy?

        Only time (and new, less pozzed generations) will heal these errors, and, worse, wounds.
        , @dfordoom

        The fact is few people would select this voluntarily at birth if God gave them a choice — because it is a harder road.
         
        I'm sorry but that really is rubbish. In today's world the harder road for a woman to choose is marriage and children. The easy road is choosing to be a lesbian. And it is a choice. You can argue about the extent to which male homosexuality is or is not a choice but there's not the slightest doubt that lesbianism is always a choice.

        And it's the easy choice. You get lots of victim points. You get to evade all social responsibility. And you get lots of sympathy from cucks.

        lecturing a father and telling him that his daughter has some kind of illness
         
        It isn't an illness. Calling it an illness is just making excuses. It's a choice.

        The problem is that in the short to medium term it's the easy choice. It's the easy road. It's also the wrong road, but by the time the woman reealises that it's often too late. She's wasted the best years of her life pursuing a sterile unhealthy lifestyle.
        , @HammerJack
        I'd like to disagree with more of that than I am actually able to. Rationality can be such a nuisance sometimes.
        , @anon
        You sound like someone who'd be proud to have a Mulatto grandson.
      215. @Flip
        I've known a few women who were lesbians when they were young and are now married to men and have children. I've never known of gay men who switched like that.
      216. @Buzz Mohawk

        There are probably lots of non-angry lesbians out there. It’s just that nobody has ever encountered one.
         
        I'm pretty sure I've met some.

        But it doesn't matter. Even if all lesbians are angry and crazy, that is not the point. Buffalo Joe alluded to that fact that his daughter did not choose the harder road; she simply exists on it, or, if you prefer, God put her on it.

        Now, you can debate all you want (as I'm sure many long-timers have ad-infinitum here) whether homosexuality is a choice, a disease, a mental illness, a virus, genetic, or (my hypothesis) simply a random, behavioral-genetic drift that happens sometimes, regardless of its evolutionary value, in our normal genetic design.

        When you bake cookies with a round design on an assembly line, some few will not quite be round, even though the plan is. Call it error if you want; it happens in everything. Maybe our sexual code is prone to a certain, unavoidable percentage of variation that simply cannot not be a part of the blueprint. I have always felt that arguments that this should have evolved out over time are too simplistic.

        The fact is few people would select this voluntarily at birth if God gave them a choice -- because it is a harder road.

        Joe's daughter cried because she really didn't want to have to tell her father that she had a girlfriend. This is the kind of experience that countless homosexual people experience. It is not their choice. Even if all lesbians were angry and crazy, they would not be that way by choice. And they aren't. As Lot said, that is a subset.

        I certainly have my gripes about subsets of homosexuals. I've known far too many faggy men, and they annoy me. I have a right to say that, and it doesn't mean I don't understand what I just wrote above.

        People here lecturing a father and telling him that his daughter has some kind of illness that can be cured are full of shit. They have no idea what they are talking about, and they should show some decency.

        Buzz,

        You’re wrong on about five or six points and making up shit about those who disagree with you and what we believe and why. You’re also in tune with the entire zeitgeist and the prejudices of at least two generations.

        Is that you, Justice Kennedy?

        Only time (and new, less pozzed generations) will heal these errors, and, worse, wounds.

        • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
        I respect your opinions, and you have agreed with many of mine (much appreciated) so I will just agree to disagree with you on this one.
      217. @Ron Mexico
        Did CJ McCollum know that he used the white power emoji 👌?

        Great point!

        You’ve trolled him just as the guy(s) who came up with that meme have trolled the system.

      218. @Buffalo Joe
        About six months ago my youngest daughter came to me in tears. When I asked what was wrong she told me she had a girl friend. As we held each other and she cried I asked why she was crying? Did she think I would not love my youngest, my baby, any less. I told her she was a gift to me from God, as were her siblings, nothing could diminish my love for her. Her three sisters and one brother are her rocks, and as they say, who would choose the harder road. This is a woman of such grace and charm and humor that when her boss was transferred he cried because he was leaving her behind. When she left to travel back home I sent her this text: Nothing made me sadder than the fact that you spend so much time alone. I prayed that you would find some one or some one would find you. I go to bed happy tonight. I stand with and by my children, as they are, always. So, as I would not let you insult my child in my presence, I can not let you insult her in print. My last comment ever. Steve, when you have time please delete all my past comments.

        I just read this, 2 days later. If you are still reading, Joe, I hope you come back on to comment. I have enjoyed yours and never found much to disagree with (which is my job, right?)

        • Agree: Jim Don Bob
      219. @Desiderius
        Buzz,

        You’re wrong on about five or six points and making up shit about those who disagree with you and what we believe and why. You’re also in tune with the entire zeitgeist and the prejudices of at least two generations.

        Is that you, Justice Kennedy?

        Only time (and new, less pozzed generations) will heal these errors, and, worse, wounds.

        I respect your opinions, and you have agreed with many of mine (much appreciated) so I will just agree to disagree with you on this one.

        • Replies: @Desiderius
        Same back at 'ya.

        I fear you (and, you know, everyone else in our class) think that you're sticking it to Fred Phelps, when in reality you're tugging on Mother Nature's favorite dress.

        Be careful out there - she's a vengeful bitch.
      220. Anonymous[334] • Disclaimer says:

        A big issue is guys with no sons pushing their daughters into competitive sports and other high T activities. This is more poisoned fruit of the ‘blank slate’. Raising girls like they were boys doesn’t actually turn them into boys, it turns them into damaged girls.

      221. @Buzz Mohawk
        I respect your opinions, and you have agreed with many of mine (much appreciated) so I will just agree to disagree with you on this one.

        Same back at ‘ya.

        I fear you (and, you know, everyone else in our class) think that you’re sticking it to Fred Phelps, when in reality you’re tugging on Mother Nature’s favorite dress.

        Be careful out there – she’s a vengeful bitch.

      222. @Buzz Mohawk

        There are probably lots of non-angry lesbians out there. It’s just that nobody has ever encountered one.
         
        I'm pretty sure I've met some.

        But it doesn't matter. Even if all lesbians are angry and crazy, that is not the point. Buffalo Joe alluded to that fact that his daughter did not choose the harder road; she simply exists on it, or, if you prefer, God put her on it.

        Now, you can debate all you want (as I'm sure many long-timers have ad-infinitum here) whether homosexuality is a choice, a disease, a mental illness, a virus, genetic, or (my hypothesis) simply a random, behavioral-genetic drift that happens sometimes, regardless of its evolutionary value, in our normal genetic design.

        When you bake cookies with a round design on an assembly line, some few will not quite be round, even though the plan is. Call it error if you want; it happens in everything. Maybe our sexual code is prone to a certain, unavoidable percentage of variation that simply cannot not be a part of the blueprint. I have always felt that arguments that this should have evolved out over time are too simplistic.

        The fact is few people would select this voluntarily at birth if God gave them a choice -- because it is a harder road.

        Joe's daughter cried because she really didn't want to have to tell her father that she had a girlfriend. This is the kind of experience that countless homosexual people experience. It is not their choice. Even if all lesbians were angry and crazy, they would not be that way by choice. And they aren't. As Lot said, that is a subset.

        I certainly have my gripes about subsets of homosexuals. I've known far too many faggy men, and they annoy me. I have a right to say that, and it doesn't mean I don't understand what I just wrote above.

        People here lecturing a father and telling him that his daughter has some kind of illness that can be cured are full of shit. They have no idea what they are talking about, and they should show some decency.

        The fact is few people would select this voluntarily at birth if God gave them a choice — because it is a harder road.

        I’m sorry but that really is rubbish. In today’s world the harder road for a woman to choose is marriage and children. The easy road is choosing to be a lesbian. And it is a choice. You can argue about the extent to which male homosexuality is or is not a choice but there’s not the slightest doubt that lesbianism is always a choice.

        And it’s the easy choice. You get lots of victim points. You get to evade all social responsibility. And you get lots of sympathy from cucks.

        lecturing a father and telling him that his daughter has some kind of illness

        It isn’t an illness. Calling it an illness is just making excuses. It’s a choice.

        The problem is that in the short to medium term it’s the easy choice. It’s the easy road. It’s also the wrong road, but by the time the woman reealises that it’s often too late. She’s wasted the best years of her life pursuing a sterile unhealthy lifestyle.

      223. @Buzz Mohawk

        There are probably lots of non-angry lesbians out there. It’s just that nobody has ever encountered one.
         
        I'm pretty sure I've met some.

        But it doesn't matter. Even if all lesbians are angry and crazy, that is not the point. Buffalo Joe alluded to that fact that his daughter did not choose the harder road; she simply exists on it, or, if you prefer, God put her on it.

        Now, you can debate all you want (as I'm sure many long-timers have ad-infinitum here) whether homosexuality is a choice, a disease, a mental illness, a virus, genetic, or (my hypothesis) simply a random, behavioral-genetic drift that happens sometimes, regardless of its evolutionary value, in our normal genetic design.

        When you bake cookies with a round design on an assembly line, some few will not quite be round, even though the plan is. Call it error if you want; it happens in everything. Maybe our sexual code is prone to a certain, unavoidable percentage of variation that simply cannot not be a part of the blueprint. I have always felt that arguments that this should have evolved out over time are too simplistic.

        The fact is few people would select this voluntarily at birth if God gave them a choice -- because it is a harder road.

        Joe's daughter cried because she really didn't want to have to tell her father that she had a girlfriend. This is the kind of experience that countless homosexual people experience. It is not their choice. Even if all lesbians were angry and crazy, they would not be that way by choice. And they aren't. As Lot said, that is a subset.

        I certainly have my gripes about subsets of homosexuals. I've known far too many faggy men, and they annoy me. I have a right to say that, and it doesn't mean I don't understand what I just wrote above.

        People here lecturing a father and telling him that his daughter has some kind of illness that can be cured are full of shit. They have no idea what they are talking about, and they should show some decency.

        I’d like to disagree with more of that than I am actually able to. Rationality can be such a nuisance sometimes.

      224. @eric
        A friend of mine worked in advertising for a local sports radio program. He said they had to broadcast the local women's NBA if they got the men's NBA deal. That clearly hurt the overall price, but I think the executives thought that it would increase the NBA audience in the long run.

        When WFAN66 acquired the radio rights to the New York Yankees in 2014, part of the deal was that they had to broadcast the inaugural season of NYCFC in 2015. Soccer on the radio is as exciting as you might imagine it being.

      225. @Flip
        I've known a few women who were lesbians when they were young and are now married to men and have children. I've never known of gay men who switched like that.

        I’ve known a few women who were lesbians when they were young and are now married to men and have children.

        No you didn’t. They were just pretending because guys in their peer group were idiots and they couldn’t deal with them. Once they matured they were happy dating and marrying them.

        • Replies: @Flip
        I think that's why hard core lesbians don't like female bisexual "tourists."
      226. @Buzz Mohawk
        Seeing as you brought up God, I will bring up Reason:

        "When an objection cannot be made formidable, there is some policy in trying to make it frightful; and to substitute the yell and the war-whoop, in the place of reason, argument, and good order. Jesuitical cunning always endeavors to disgrace what it cannot disprove." [Quoted by Joseph Lewis in Inspiration and Wisdom from the Writings of Thomas Paine]

        "As to the book called the Bible, it is blasphemy to call it the Word of God. It is a book of lies and contradictions, and a history of bad times and bad men. There are but a few good characters in the whole book." [Thomas Paine, Letter to William Duane, April 23, 1806]

        "That God cannot lie, is no advantage to your argument, because it is no proof that priests can not, or that the Bible does not." [The Life and Works of Thomas Paine, Vol. 9 p. 134]

        Following the likes of Paine is key how the West ended up in such a sorry state.

      227. @Buzz Mohawk

        There are probably lots of non-angry lesbians out there. It’s just that nobody has ever encountered one.
         
        I'm pretty sure I've met some.

        But it doesn't matter. Even if all lesbians are angry and crazy, that is not the point. Buffalo Joe alluded to that fact that his daughter did not choose the harder road; she simply exists on it, or, if you prefer, God put her on it.

        Now, you can debate all you want (as I'm sure many long-timers have ad-infinitum here) whether homosexuality is a choice, a disease, a mental illness, a virus, genetic, or (my hypothesis) simply a random, behavioral-genetic drift that happens sometimes, regardless of its evolutionary value, in our normal genetic design.

        When you bake cookies with a round design on an assembly line, some few will not quite be round, even though the plan is. Call it error if you want; it happens in everything. Maybe our sexual code is prone to a certain, unavoidable percentage of variation that simply cannot not be a part of the blueprint. I have always felt that arguments that this should have evolved out over time are too simplistic.

        The fact is few people would select this voluntarily at birth if God gave them a choice -- because it is a harder road.

        Joe's daughter cried because she really didn't want to have to tell her father that she had a girlfriend. This is the kind of experience that countless homosexual people experience. It is not their choice. Even if all lesbians were angry and crazy, they would not be that way by choice. And they aren't. As Lot said, that is a subset.

        I certainly have my gripes about subsets of homosexuals. I've known far too many faggy men, and they annoy me. I have a right to say that, and it doesn't mean I don't understand what I just wrote above.

        People here lecturing a father and telling him that his daughter has some kind of illness that can be cured are full of shit. They have no idea what they are talking about, and they should show some decency.

        You sound like someone who’d be proud to have a Mulatto grandson.

      228. I wonder gow many posters defending the man who outed himself as a beta dad who treats his daughter as more of a surrogate girlfriend he needs to appease (ala Donald Trump) would be proud to have a Mulatto grandson.

      229. @ScarletNumber

        I’ve known a few women who were lesbians when they were young and are now married to men and have children.
         
        No you didn't. They were just pretending because guys in their peer group were idiots and they couldn't deal with them. Once they matured they were happy dating and marrying them.

        I think that’s why hard core lesbians don’t like female bisexual “tourists.”

      230. @GW
        If you have a daughter, strongly nudge her toward feminine hobbies and activities (baking, decorating, interior design, etc.) and away from competitive sports, particularly sports at any serious level.

        So you advocate for the transformation of young women into unmarriageable bloated physical degenerates beyond what they are now?

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