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      Earlier this month I noted that the volume of comments on our website had become enormous, frequently exceeding 4 million words per month, a figure probably considerably larger than that of websites whose traffic completely dwarfs our own. What began as a simple webzine has now evolved into something closer to a wide-ranging discussion forum.

      To some extent this was probably due to the controversial subjects that are our frequent focus, important and interesting topics usually excluded from the mainstream media and the overwhelming majority of websites, coupled with our very light standards of moderation. Individuals with strong views about issues can gather here and hotly debate issues that would quickly get them banned in so many other venues.

      I also think that the uniquely powerful features of our commenting software allow lengthy discussions to continue in meaningful fashion, long after they would have grown totally unwieldy on alternate systems such as Facebook, Disqus, or WordPress. On this website, threads may regularly contain many hundreds of substantive comments, occasionally even exceeding 1,500 or even 2,000, and totaling as much as 300,000 words of detailed discussion. Such a situation is only very rarely found anywhere else on the Internet.

      An enormous profusion of comments and commenters operating under very light moderation has both positive and negative aspects, obviously attracting monomaniacs, trolls, and probably some paid shills, whose profusion of words may tend to obfuscate worthwhile discussion. These problems were the primary focus of my previous analysis, as I proposed various measures to sharply reduce the clutter by implementing restrictions or user fees, and naturally enough, some of these problematical individuals did not take kindly to any proposals to restrict their verbiage.

      But our tendency to attract low-quality commenters has fortunately been matched by our ability to draw commenters of exceptionally high quality, who regularly provide information and analysis whose value may easily exceed that of the articles to which they are responding. Furthermore, the total output of some of these erudite individuals is often enormous, amounting to many hundreds of thousands of words or more, actually greater than that of many of our regular columnists and writers. The accumulated remarks of each commenter are available on his Archive page, effectively making them columnists in their own right, and representing a full dualization of the writer/commenter relationship.

      Although regular readers are probably already aware of these individuals, I think their superior status should be emphasized to newcomers and casual readers. Therefore, I’ve now implemented a new feature highlighting their comments with a thin golden box around their names, and with this change affecting all past and future threads. This should help separate them from the casual remarks that clutter up so many threads, often by low-quality chatterboxes.

      ORDER IT NOW

      Although the selection process obviously contains a substantial subjective element, I’ve tried to mitigate it with relatively objective criteria. Commenters receiving that award should generally display the following characteristics: (1) Contributing a large number of high-quality comments, often drawing upon detailed knowledge, research, or personal expertise; (2) Rarely if ever engaging in crude insults, slurs, or invective; (3) Maintaining generally good standards of grammar, punctuation, and spelling; and (4) Usually trying to avoid a heavy flow of short, trivial, or vacuous remarks.

      The first small group of commenters to receive this special distinction are as follows:

      Together, these half-dozen individuals have provided over 30,000 comments totaling more than 4 million words, the equivalent of 40 good-size hard-cover books. They are disproportionately foreign-born, though mostly living in the U.S., which perhaps reflects the lower standards of American education and the negative impact of our overwhelming popular culture of sports and entertainment. For similar reasons, I’d guess that foreign immigrants are generally underrepresented on websites focused on football or Hollywood celebrities.

      I also think it is more than coincidental that two of the six members of the list are pious Muslims, whose belief-based personal standards would lead them to avoid crude, trivial, or poorly punctuated comments. Meanwhile, the widespread hostility towards Muslims and Islam in our political culture over the last couple of decades would motivate their efforts to effectively present their side of the story to a wider audience.

      These commenters are a somewhat heterogeneous group, having substantial disagreements with each other on some important issues, and this underscores the fact that there is a sharp distinction between endorsing the quality of their content and endorsing their conclusions.

      Naturally, the process of selecting this first group of candidates was a highly imperfect one, and I’m sure many worthy individuals were unfairly excluded. Moreover, I can think of other longtime commenters who met some of the necessary criteria, and might join that list in the future if they avoid some of the temptations to adulterate their high-quality and substantive comments with many less worthy ones.

      I’d hope that the tone of our website discussions will gradually be improved by the combination of the “pull” factor of earning this distinction along with possible new “push” factors intended to restrict the production of lower-quality comments.

       

      On a somewhat different matter, I finally had a chance to listen to my hour-long podcast interview with Kevin Barrett a couple of weeks ago, and I thought it constituted an excellent summary of my views. Those interested in the reasoning behind my American Pravda series as well as the underlying motivation of this website might find it quite illuminating:

       
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      1. Nodwink says:

        YAY, MOAR MUSLIMS!

        Seriously though, I don’t see anything particularly enlightening in the comments here, although you might see one or two reasonable arguments in a thread. Ron’s personal preference for long-winded comments is strange to me, as I spend a lot more time on Twitter. Given the obsession with low-IQ blacks and (((you know who))) around these parts, maybe I need to up the racism if I want to join the Pantheon of Posters.

        It’s amazing that comments here are considered the property of Ron Unz. What value is the garbage posted here?

      2. Onebornfree says: • Website

        Let me guess [without checking] :all those now “elevated” to “special” status are :

        1] Just like all of the article contributers, rabidly pro-state [like R. Unz]; and this despite all of the “in yer face” murderous criminality of all states revealed both here [occasionally],and elsewhere, on a daily basis.

        3]overwhelmingly “left of center”, rabid pro-state “intellectuals”, [like R. Unz], with possibly one “right of center “ rabid pro-statist chucked in for good measure and perceived reader“credibility.”

        And so it goes….

        “Regards” onebornfree

      3. Emslander says:

        Pithiness and brevity being the qualities I most look for and attempt to practice in all writing, I doubt that I’ll ever make the first team, but I would like to avoid the hamburger squad.

        Maybe in the future you could explain more clearly your idea of worthless comments.

        I do like this program, however. Encouraging good grammar, thoughtfulness and knowledge of subject matter in casual conversations of all kinds might just help lift our culture out of the sewer.

      4. iffen says:

        Not bad, only 2 of 6 on my CTI list.

        • LOL: PetrOldSack
      5. @Onebornfree

        Maybe it just so happens that the highest quality comments are coming from people who meet your descriptions. If that is the case, then one who disagree with them needs to up his game.

        If we are not happy with the results, let’s be careful not to apply the logical fallacy of “disparate impact” as an explanation.

        Regards,
        One who wishes he could write better comments

        • Replies: @Realist
      6. Dumbo says:
        @Nodwink

        Ron’s personal preference for long-winded comments is strange to me

        Strange why? Have you read his texts? Long-winded would be an euphemism.

        Why am I not in that list? 😛

        My own list would be:

        Intelligent Dasein
        Priss Factor
        Achmed E. Newman
        Whiskey
        Stan Adams
        Buzz Mohawk

        And a couple anons.

      7. renfro and annamaria are the best.

        • LOL: Twodees Partain
        • Replies: @Skeptikal
        , @lavoisier
      8. Do suggest your own favorites. I’m sure the Editor will pay attention. This particular idea of the framers is excellent because it is purely informational and can’t do harm. If you think Ron Unz’s choices are bad, it’s still great for you, because now you can skip all the comments in gold boxes and save time.
        I’d keep the gold boxed ones at the top too, a big step further.

        • Replies: @Brás Cubas
      9. Kali says:
        @Onebornfree

        Your problem is that you see and treat everyone who doesn’t share your view as an enemy.

        Regards
        Kali Prajita.

        • Replies: @Onebornfree
      10. I was once pleased to have been blessed with a golden box around one of my more substantive comments. Maybe I’ll ditch some of the trite comments to achieve this honour, but sometimes it’s too hard to resist.

        On a somewhat different matter, I finally had a chance to listen to my hour-long podcast interview with Kevin Barrett a couple of weeks ago, and I thought it constituted an excellent summary of my views.

        In addition to the substance of your views, I was particularly impressed with the articulate delivery. It is very easy, even pleasant to listen to an interview with you.

        • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
      11. @The Alarmist

        It is very easy, even pleasant to listen to an interview with you.

        Now now, smarm isn’t going to get you a gold pinstripe.

        Maybe I’ll ditch some of the trite comments to achieve this honour, but sometimes it’s too hard to resist.

        Indeed.

        All seriousness aside, one suspects the iSteve blog is the place where a little more levity is permitted. It makes for a nice spot on the side, which itself contains a lot of high quality work and information.

        • Agree: bomag
      12. I’d hope that the quality of our website discussions will gradually be improved by the combination of the “pull” factor of earning this distinction

        Are there any privileges (like more free comments, if/when you start charging for comments) connected with this status, or why is it supposed to be a “pull” factor? Just having some gold around your user name doesn’t really strike me as very important, unless one suffers from absurd vanity.
        Also have to state that I strongly disagree with three of your choices (don’t really know two other commenters; only choice I can understand is “Talha”, since he at least provides a somewhat unusual perspective as a Muslim and usually stays calm in discussions). Hard not to suspect imo that some of those choices are heavily motivated by your own ideological biases.

        • Replies: @lavoisier
        , @Kali
        , @Denis
      13. Please someone help me understand what Ron Unz says at 4’43”

        enormous personal (???)LONER DULLITIES(???)

        • Replies: @Hail
      14. Skeptikal says:
        @Ilyana_Rozumova

        I always read Annamaria’s posts. IMO she is one of the most reliably cogent and coherent commenters I have noticed at UR.

        • Agree: Rurik
      15. Onebornfree says: • Website
        @Kali

        Kali says: “Your problem is that you see and treat everyone who doesn’t share your view as an enemy.”

        Your problems are :

        [1]that you think that a bunch of [mostly] leftist, proto-commie “intellectuals” endlessly bloviating and glorifying the state out of one side of their mouths , while simultaneously complaining about it out of the other side, actually have anything worthwhile to say, when all that almost all of them continually parrot boils down is some sort of minor variation on the ever popular amongst morons “dajoozdunnit therefor we need a bigger government”, argument”, and …..

        [2] that any of these Bloviating “intellectuals” are in any way, shape or form, your friends.

        And so it goes….

        “Regards” onebornfree

        • Replies: @Kali
      16. Ron Unz says:
        @Nodwink

        Seriously though, I don’t see anything particularly enlightening in the comments here, although you might see one or two reasonable arguments in a thread. Ron’s personal preference for long-winded comments is strange to me, as I spend a lot more time on Twitter.

        Well, a quick glance at your comments suggests that they were mostly the sort of short, agitated rants that really would be much more appropriate on Twitter. Since Twitter will remain free while you may soon need to pay for the privilege of cluttering up our threads, I suspect we’ll soon see fewer of your empty rants.

        Twitter is certainly a valuable medium for promoting and distributing serious content by means of excerpts and links. But otherwise, I think its primary attraction is to lazy or stupid people, who prefer insults and slogans to serious thought. I find it very difficult to believe that any smart person has ever had his mind changed on anything significant by even a very lengthy serious of Tweets. Ideological cheerleading is quite different than serious persuasion. Perhaps I’m old fashioned or perhaps I’m correct.

        I recently suggested that 10-15% of our commenters were generally good quality, 10-15% bad quality, and the middle 70-80% somewhat mixed. The new Gold List distinction will probably be aimed at the best 2-3% of our heaviest commenters, and provide various special privileges so long as they don’t misuse them.

        Meanwhile, I wasn’t surprised to see that most of the individuals bitterly complaining about this new policy or the selected list seem to be in the bottom 10-15% of commenters that I’d just as soon gradually drive away…

      17. I get this. If you spend massive amounts of time and increasing dollars towards accommodating more and more words it only makes sense to start cracking down on commenters. For sure, everywhere you go on the internet there are commenters from every background and many are crude, intrusive, abusive, and insulting. Many have problems with white men, or they have problems with women, Jews, Blacks, or anyone who has a religious preference, etc., etc.

        So, I can see why Mr. Unz wants to crack down with the hope of attracting more thoughtful and articulate comments of qualify. But on the other hand it kind of has a ring of being “triggered”; like those leftists we see daily in every walk of life now. If someone doesn’t like Muslims or white guys, there isn’t much you can do for them. These are all-or-nothing types who see everything in black and white.

        A few people are triggered by what Mr. Unz is saying. I don’t think you should be. It’s his site and his opinion on who is a worthy commenter and who isn’t. Maybe your comments don’t work for him, maybe mine don’t, but it doesn’t mean the chosen commenters are better humans. He might think so, but you shouldn’t get triggered by what anyone thinks. I’ve been called every name in the book on the internet; nothing really phases me anymore. We the Lessers have power too, even though people think we don’t.

        • Agree: Kali
        • Replies: @Jim Christian
        , @dfordoom
      18. iffen says:

        most of the individuals bitterly complaining about this new policy or the selected list seem to be in the bottom 10-15% of commenters that I’d just as soon gradually drive away…

        Why can’t you be intellectually honest and just publish a list of those you wish to drive away?

        • Replies: @dfordoom
      19. lavoisier says: • Website
        @Ilyana_Rozumova

        There are a lot to choose from but the two you note would be on my list as well.

        Really would be hard to pick a first team from all the talent here.

        I think Ron is making a mistake by singling others out. Even the trolls sometimes force you to think about things.

        • Agree: Realist
        • Replies: @Miro23
      20. lavoisier says: • Website
        @German_reader

        Hard not to like Res.

        • Replies: @utu
      21. JackOH says:

        “Together, these half-dozen individuals have provided over 30,000 comments totaling more than 4 million words, the equivalent of 40 good-size hard-cover books.”

        What’s extraordinary to me is the rhetorical capital and intellectual fervor represented by those six individuals writing on their own nickel for an as-yet non-mainstream Webzine of analysis and opinion. My spontaneous thought was that they’re indicative of some American “alienation effect”. What I mean by that is our mainstream media and political leaders may be representing or “capturing” only a tiny fraction of who we are, at least among those of us who read this site.

        So we’re coming up with our own rhetoric, and get our hometown papers for the crosswords and obituaries. As I said, just a thought.

        Best wishes to all.

      22. Miro23 says:
        @lavoisier

        I think Ron is making a mistake by singling others out. Even the trolls sometimes force you to think about things.

        True enough. On interesting articles I like to read all the comments, and get ideas from across the board. I do the same on the Daily Mail – gold frames are just a distraction.

      23. Hi Ron. This is the right way to go. Besides offering an ever-changing menu of prescient, taboo-busting and groundbreaking articles, UNZ must continue attract and nurture a diverse range of informed comments–including some from the other side.

        But there must be a mechanism that helps separate the intellectual wheat from the chaff. Excellence deserves recognition.

        Individuals who consistently provide illuminating commentary deserve slightly higher status and visibility. This added feature will surely boost the rising popularity of this extraordinary site.

      24. A123 says:

        other longtime commenters who met some of the necessary criteria, and might join that list in the future if they avoid some of the temptations to adulterate their high-quality and substantive comments with many less worthy ones.

        The number of Hate Trolls posting here creates an immense problem. If one does not counter their hate, those trolls may influence casual readers. As the trolls push the same hate over & over again, those of us in the minority promoting Peace are stuck with repetition. We have to either:

        -1- Make short rebuttals
        -2- Or, have canned long form responses

        If you can reduce the column inches from Hate Trolls, you will also reduce the column inches needed to protect the innocent from them. So, I truly hope you succeed.

        However, if the choice is between:

        -A- Being on the “Excellent Commenters” list.
        -B- Or, protecting new readers from disinformation Trolls & new commenters from Hate intimidation.

        I will gladly take Option B every time.

        MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎄

        • Agree: Fran Taubman
        • Troll: Kali
      25. Back1 says:

        Gee, Mr. Unz, you’re one of those serious types. I get some good laughs here occasionally. Don’t discount humor and wit as positives for humanity, independently of any given topic.

        Yes, some people dump their passion here. I’ve done that when I found it relevant. Sorry if it bugged people. Reading Unz is a bit of a sampler for outsider opinions. Ok with me.

        I’ve noticed lock-in in some commenters/discussions. Maybe that’s part of human nature. I have, over time, observed that commenters will ride their hobbyhorse for awhile, then quit. That’s good.

        As far as grammar, I am in the 7th grade and hope my grammar is acceptable. Can I get a Gold Star, please?

      26. Miro23 says:
        @mark green

        UNZ must continue attract and nurture a diverse range of informed comments–including some from the other side.

        There’s a definite lack of genuine SJW’s here. I know that they prefer their “moderated” MSM safe spaces, and value conformity, but maybe one or two are prepared to engage in an open conversation on SJW issues (rather than immediately denouncing opposition as heretical “hate speech”).

      27. “(1) Contributing a large number of high-quality comments, often drawing upon detailed knowledge, research, or personal expertise; (2) Rarely if ever engaging in crude insults, slurs, or invective; (3) Maintaining generally good standards of grammar, punctuation, and spelling; and (4) Usually trying to avoid a heavy flow of short, trivial, or vacuous remarks.”
        .
        (1) sounds spookish to me…
        .
        (2) sounds cowardly and mealy-mouthed to me…
        .
        (3) john dos passos and eye both say fuck you very much…
        .
        (4) unlike, say, a heavy flow of ponderous, pretentious, pendulous, perambulations going nowhere, but covering all the bases, just in case… *snort*
        .
        where did i hear the line ? from ‘there will be blood’ ? something along the lines of ‘your blood runs neither hot nor cold’, no passion, no beliefs, just endless analysis…
        thinks like a man of inaction, and acts like it, too…
        *meh*
        the more i read your open screeds to the readers you mostly disdain, the more unpleasant a ‘host’ i find you… time for this parasite to move on…

        • Replies: @Parfois1
      28. Back1 says:

        I recently suggested that 10-15% of our commenters were generally good quality, 10-15% bad quality, and the middle 70-80% somewhat mixed.

        This sounds like a Gaussian, or normal, distribution.

        Sorry, Mr. Unz, your commenters are distinctly abnormal, all of them. Except me, of course.

        As for the rest of you abbynormals, maybe take a day off and relax. The world won’t end if you relax for a day or two. I’ll try a bowl of Gelato. Sugar free of course.

      29. I vote for Wally.
        Why?
        It’s my humble opinion that Wally performs the extremely important service of pointing out to those unaware and reminding those who are of the total impossibility of the Jewish Holohoax fraud. He does this in a reasoned, calm and mostly polite way.

        And he must be pretty good, because so few are actually willing to honestly debate him. It seems like the common response to his powerful arguments are ad homenim attacks and banning.

        I suggest that the reason that what Wally does is so important is because before Americans even have a chance of getting their republic back from the criminal Jewish mafia regime that controls it, the Holohoax fraud must be exposed and debunked to the American masses.

        And this is just for starters. Next to fall will be the Israeli 911 false flag attack.

        Also as one of German ancestry I can not help but be outraged that this obvious Jewish lie continues to libel and slander all Germans; past present and future.

        Mr. Unz please consider Wally for excellent comment status.

        • Agree: Theodore
        • LOL: Ron Unz
        • Replies: @Wally
      30. Hail says: • Website
        @Brás Cubas

        It is “enormous personal vulnerabilities.”

        Here is a transcript I’ve made of 4:20 to 6:30 which is an extended point Ron is making:

        [MORE]

        Ron Unz: When you’re talking about very controversial subjects, subjects that don’t have the “stamp of approval” of the establishment media or our intellectual elites, at least their public approval, you have to be, I think, also cautious about focusing too much on individuals who might have enormous personal vulnerabilities.

        And, the truth is, that applies to lots of things. If somebody, for example, is very vulnerable on certain parts of their views, but the media likes them, the media typically can cover up their vulnerabilities, so that most people never know about it.

        But if what they’re saying goes directly against the mainstream narrative and many people in the media or the elite establishment are extremely hostile to what they’re saying, [the media would] naturally focus on their greatest weaknesses.

        I mean, let’s take an extreme example. Suppose there were some, say, conspiracy researcher who was also a convicted criminal who…robbed banks or killed people — who nobody disputes [is] a criminal, and [who] served a long time in prison, or maybe even been involved in child molestation or something like that, the worst sort of thing you can think of — that does not necessarily detract from the value of the research he does in other areas, but it naturally would make people very cautious about emphasizing him, [or] his role, or overly citing him, simply because you’d be painting a bullseye on yourself.

        And if the media is very hostile to your views, the media would ignore all the other things that the person is saying…and focus entirely on the fact that yo’re identifying yourself with someone who is an extremely disreputable character.

        • Replies: @Brás Cubas
      31. You could for example automatically generate “Ayatrollah badges” for the x commenters who have gained the most “Troll” reactions in the last y days. It would give more value to reactions.

        (x and y up to you to decide – you have the stats)

        Perhaps some people would intentionally strive to get one; but then, whatever makes people show their true colors is good.

      32. Hail says: • Website

        I think this is a potentially good idea.

        I recall that Res was “perma-gold-boxed” already several weeks ago within the James Thompson section (only) at the latter’s request. I wonder what effect that had on readers there, both regulars and non-regulars. In other words, how will end-users ‘use’ the meta-information provided by the gold box?

        • Replies: @Hail
      33. “Meanwhile, the widespread hostility towards Muslims and Islam in our political culture over the last couple of decades would motivate their efforts to effectively present their side of the story to a wider audience.”

        Of course Talha can be calm. His is on the side that is winning. He has the power of the politically correct legal system behind him. He is a person of color. He is an immigrant. He is a persecuted victim. He has triumphantly conquered a European womb in order to spread his Pakistani seed. All he has to do is sit back and wait for more of his cousins to arrive. Perhaps we will soon read about Pakistani rape gangs in Palo Alto, but more likely it will be places like Moorpark, CA or Ludington, MI, or Schuylkill Haven, PA.

        Like John Matrix said: “They like you Ron, that’s why they’re going to kill you last.”

        Ron, have you ever been to UAE? How about Saudi Arabia? Kuwait? No? Perhaps spend some time in those places, (sadly, you may have to pretend to not be a jew to gain entry) and get a sense of their equivalent of rural redneck whites that you clearly loath. Perhaps you could effectively present your side of the story to a wider audience in Mecca. Then maybe you’d write about your luck with that here.

        Merry Christmas – or you know, whatever – it doesn’t matter, right, Ron?

        • Agree: MBlanc46
        • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
      34. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:

        What about including “Alden” (aka Anonymous 257) on your top list? You were so impressed with her comments that you asked her to write for you, as you may recall.
        I once had the temerity to correct one of her more egregious errors of fact and she responded by calling me a 70-year-old child-molesting incel commie Jew Quaker and a big poopie head, but I still think she’s cool: She calls ’em as she sees ’em.
        One of your commenters — maybe Jenner-chan — once said that you hadn’t arrived as a commenter on the Unz Review until you had been banned by Razib Khan, called a nitwit by Ron Unz and received a gold box from Steve Sailer. In olden days, you may have called me an idiot, I’m not sure, and I was too chicken to comment on Razib’s blog, but Sailer gave me two gold boxes and featured one of my comments (900 words long!) in place of one of his own posts. The image that accompanied it got some 350,000 hits on Imgur before I took it down after a month or so, an indication of how popular his blog is. But once Sailer realized I was a — gasp! — female, my posts started getting delayed or never showed up. When he was talking about publishing a collection of his writings, I made a mock-up cover for his proposed book, titling it, “The Man Who Notices.” He liked it so much that he featured it in his sidebar, but he never acknowledged my effort or said thanks, something he routinely does to commenters who provide him with something useful. How petty do you have to be not to say thanks?
        Well, the point of this post, M. Unz, is to suggest maybe, considering how infested your site and all the right is, with misogynists, to have a separate list of interesting female posters. Maybe that might encourage more to post. Not me, though. My days of frequently posting comments here or anywhere are long over. More or less.

      35. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
        @Ron Unz

        Twitter is certainly a valuable medium for promoting and distributing serious content by means of excerpts and links. [And original content.] But otherwise, I think its primary attraction is to lazy or stupid people, who prefer insults and slogans to serious thought. [The primary attraction is rapid, direct access.] I find it very difficult to believe that any smart person has ever had his mind changed on anything significant by even a very lengthy serious of Tweets. [Smart or not, few change their minds in response to any medium.] Ideological cheerleading is quite different than serious persuasion. Perhaps I’m old fashioned or perhaps I’m correct.

        You could be old fashioned and also correct, but you are incorrect. Twitter is what you make of it. If it’s not your cup of tea, fine, but you seem to not understand it.

        • Agree: Brás Cubas
        • Replies: @Brás Cubas
        , @Brás Cubas
      36. Hail says: • Website
        @Hail

        I’ve long noticed that different sections of the Unz Review have substantially differing “commentariats” (that is, the usual individuals, and/or types of comments you expect to find in any given comment section [‘norms’], and/or median ‘quality’ level).

        I would go so far as to say that there is no “Unz Review commentariat,” but rather quite a few of them, which only slightly overlap with each other. This includes individuals but also different comment-section ‘culture’ from section to section, author to author. And because of this, there will not be any one-size-fits-all solution.

        ________

        Many have remarked on the quality of Steve Sailer’s commentariat (iSteve blog), and I would echo them. Is there a consistently better commentariat anywhere else here?

        What has gone right at iSteve? I don’t have the answer but would love to hear what others think; posing the question might be helpful. I am sure someone has the answer(s).

        For one thing, the Sailer readership and commentariat developed over a long period. Steve opened comments on his old blogspot in Dec. 2006 (at the time in response to trolling from Malcolm Gladwell; Thanks, Malcolm!) (this means we have recently passed the 13th anniversary of Steve Sailer comment section’s existence). The rise of the “regular commenter” and the emergence of comment-section personalities dates a lot more to his era blogging here (moved, June 2014), in no small part because of the ease by which threaded conversations occur.

        I would suggest commenter engagement, in general, is a major reason. Steve regularly replies to commenters in his own comment sections (most often with anecdotes or breaking into tangents). He also regularly uses comments he thinks are particularly useful as new posts; other new posts are news stories that commenters link to in earlier comment sections.

        As Steve wrote Dec. 18:

        It’s been a very good year and I thank all my readers for their contributions, which dwarf mine in volume. On the other hand, as Reggie Jackson once said about the 1977 New York Yankees, I’m the straw that stirs the drink.

        I don’t know how to institutionalize the success of the Sailer comment-section but I hope the thoughts in this comment are useful in some way.

      37. utu says:

        Elevating Excellent Commenters – Vary bad idea. Poor judgment on Ron’s part.

      38. utu says:
        @lavoisier

        obsequious
        servile
        subservient

        [MORE]

        deferential
        grovelling
        toadying
        fawning
        flattering
        ingratiating
        cringing
        unctuous
        oily
        slimy
        creeping
        crawling
        truckling
        slavish
        bowing and scraping
        gushing
        bootlicking
        smarmy
        • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
      39. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

        I also think it is more than coincidental that two of the six members of the list are pious Muslims, whose belief-based personal standards would lead them to avoid crude, trivial, or poorly punctuated comments.

        Having Muslims commenting at Unz is most welcome, but does Islam lead to refined sensibility and impeccable manners? Middle East affairs say otherwise.

        • Replies: @anonymous
        , @bjondo
      40. One of the best things about Unz is the commenters, who are in some cases as interesting as the bloggers themselves. I even like a few of our regular trolls–Tiny Duck is a personal favorite. (Ron, maybe you can come up with a special do-do colored box or something to put around the comments of our best trolls like Tiny.)

      41. Thomm says:

        The first small group of commenters to receive this special distinction are as follows:

        So offer them the chance to be elevated to full-fledged columnists that get to write their own articles. It appears they would do it for free, and it would allow TUR to lay off columnists who currently receive a salary but just keep recycling the same themes.

        • Agree: The Scalpel
      42. @anon

        If I may add a (very) short remark to your excellent ones, epigrams are a long and esteemed tradition both in the West and in the East and neither H.L. Mencken nor Oscar Wilde, to name just two that belonged to the former hemisphere, were viewed as “lazy” for creating them.

      43. Recognition of good work is always welcome, but most often rare. So, I salute Mr. Unz for graciously encouraging discorse on the site. Peace.

      44. Thanks (I think) for the vote of confidence, Ron.

        Tough room you’ve got going here.
        That’s one of the best things about this Forum.

      45. anarchyst says:

        The “Unz Review” is an international treasure and should be recognized as such. It is one of the few bastions in which freedom exists.
        Thank you, Mr. Unz.

      46. anon[309] • Disclaimer says:

        A chap named Krakolastes is interesting. I have no idea what he’s writing about but he’s very self assured.

      47. @Anonymous

        Well, I don’t know who this Alden is but, judging by your wit and your style, you would not make a bad figure on the Unz team yourself.

        But once Sailer realized I was a — gasp! — female, my posts started getting delayed or never showed up

        Maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong, but you are not the first person who has complained from a cold treatment from Sailer. I get it all the time. All of those people come up with some persecution theory to explain it. Maybe they are right, who knows? I for one can think of many events of (possible) impoliteness on my part that would (possibly) justify it. But Sailer himself explained (where?) that infrequent commenters are put on the back of the queue. So I use Occam’s razor and do not think about it (and of course try to be more polite from then on, with varying degrees of success). Of course that wouldn’t explain the ‘never showed up’-type events you had.

        As for misogyinia, I wouldn’t count on Ron Unz to follow any of your suggestions on that area. Have you read the output of one of his ‘elevated’ commenters, the one nicknamed ‘Talha’? Or the pieces by columnist ‘Lance Welton’, who graciously stated that women are bad for Universities? Not exactly feminist stuff, and yet that Welton guy has put this site’s name on the pages of The Washington Post. Perhaps he deserves a raise, if he hasn’t got one already.

        No, on second thought, I am not sure you would make such a good figure on the Unz team.

      48. Ron Unz says:
        @Hail

        Many have remarked on the quality of Steve Sailer’s commentariat (iSteve blog), and I would echo them. Is there a consistently better commentariat anywhere else here?

        What has gone right at iSteve? I don’t have the answer but would love to hear what others think; posing the question might be helpful. I am sure someone has the answer(s)….

        I don’t know how to institutionalize the success of the Sailer comment-section but I hope the thoughts in this comment are useful in some way.

        First, I must strongly emphasize that although this is my own website, I’m busy with my own work so that I only rarely read the various comment-threads around here. Given that they total close to 150,000 words per day, I’d obviously have absolutely no time for anything else. And although many years ago I used to spend lots of time on the iSteve threads, these days I probably glance at much less than 1% of them.

        But the very few times I gone there, I’ve really been rather disappointed. The discussions seemed rather superficial, basically a gaggle of rightwingers mildly smirking at some of the total lunacies of our current society. I got the sense that it was filled with what the younger Alt-Righters ridicule as “Boomer Cons,” generating an edgier version of the 1995 National Review, which I never regarded as a worthwhile magazine. There’s nothing wrong with such threads, but I personally don’t find them very interesting or useful.

        But since I’ve only glanced at maybe 0.3% of those threads, my sampling is minuscule. Perhaps you could point me to a few iSteve threads that you consider particularly valuable.

        • Agree: TimeTraveller, Yevardian
      49. Arilando says:

        A way to download that podcast would be highly appreciated.

        • Replies: @Hail
      50. Ron Unz says:
        @Ron Unz

        Actually, let me expand on that a bit…

        I vaguely remember that a couple of years ago, I happened to get drawn into an iSteve thread touching on the JFK Assassination, and Steve and the overwhelming majority of his commenters ridiculed the “crazy conspiracy theorists” who questioned that anyone other than that “Communist” Lee Harvey Oswald was involved.

        Well, there seems absolutely overwhelming evidence that there was a conspiracy. In the 1970s Congress officially declared it was probably a conspiracy. Top mainstream academics writing in the NYT have declared it was probably a conspiracy, and the NYT has implied the same. Some of my elite Establishment friends are absolutely 100% sure it was a conspiracy. But the anonymous commenters who hang around iSteve threads are terrified of being called “conspiracy nuts” as well as “racists,” so they shut their eyes and yell “No!” Okay, that’s their perfect right. But how can I then take them seriously on anything else?…

      51. Rebel0007 says:

        @Nodwink

        Nodwink,
        Thanks for the warning. That is a totally outrageous, rapacious, and predatious commenting policy! Never heard of anything like it! Like claiming that anything anyone says or does in someone’s presence or as a guest at someone’s house is the host’s intellectual property! Didn’t know that and I do not consent!

        It has happenned to me on other websites which I no longer use though, just theft by narcissistic, psychopathic thieves! I call a spade a spade when I see one!

        • Replies: @anon
      52. Art says:

        Truth without the passion to see it through – is useless.

        Thomas Paine’s Common Sense caused a revolution – it had both truth and passion.

        It is going to take a revolution to take back Western culture from the Jews.

        A long comment that is only intellectually pleasing, is like masturbating.

        Fun – but nothing will be born of the effort.

        Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

        • Replies: @anon
      53. Art says:
        @Ron Unz

        My estimation of the ISteve HBD commenters – is KKK in loafers.

        • Replies: @Nicholas Stix
      54. Thanks! I guess you went by the system of merit-demerit. Substantive comment – merit; empty unsubstantiated claim, ad hominem, or profanity – demerit.

        I am glad that you identified good Moslem commenters – they provide an angle Christians and agnostics of European descent cannot even think of. Makes the discussions a lot more interesting and informative.

        Frankly, I comment because Unz is one of very few Internet forums where the discussion is not censored. I like the fact that I disagree with many articles and comments, and that a lot of commenters disagree with me. If everyone agrees, the discussion becomes boring and dies. That’s what is happening to MSM, including elite-controlled electronic media, Facebook, Twitter, Wiki, etc.

        • Replies: @A123
        , @Mikhail
      55. dimples says:
        @Dumbo

        Priss Factor is tremendous. More please from Priss.

        • Agree: Stonehands
      56. @utu

        Spoken like a true Christian.

        Spread your other cheek utu, diversity is coming… good and hard.

      57. Dear Ron…..I think you have made the right decision. Of course it doesn’t matter what I think; it is your website and you can do whatever you like. I am just glad that it has not become yet another site behind a pay wall or commodifying comments etc. Your light touch on moderation does encourage some excellent comments but also some poorer quality discussions (sometimes outright trolling).

        However, that is all part of what makes life so interesting (the kaleidoscope of life). So, we take the good with the bad. Keep up the great work and I will keep linking to your excellent articles. We need the beacon of truth and honest discussion (however robust) more than ever in the days ahead.

        Cheers

      58. Dube says:

        On the topic of managing online comment threads, one can’t overlook the method of reader votes, up and down. I must admit that NYT has methods for presenting a generally literate stream, without the junk of Category 4.

        I assume that some of that is due to editorial exclusion, which is not in the spirit here – nor within reasonable staffing abilities, given the heterodox material. I just want to mention the vote method as one technical possibility.

        That journal whose initials I will not repeat ends up with three choices for the reader: Editorial Picks, Reader Picks, and All.

        Credit where due. Just sayin’. And thank you, Ron.

        • Replies: @Anon
      59. Saggy says: • Website
        @Ron Unz

        I’m busy with my own work so that I only rarely read the various comment-threads around here.

        You’re disinterested in the comment threads, after you been posting about them for the last month as if they were your main concern ! Odd. And dwelling at length on how to fix them when they in fact don’t need fixing. Even more odd.

        And, even though disinterested, you’re setting yourself up as the czar of the process, designating some commenters as the best: maybe you can favor us all with ratings !

        I find this slightly annoying.

        Plus, you cucked on the holohoax, saying “I only studied it for a couple of weeks”.

        Odd times at unz.com.

        • Agree: Twodees Partain
        • Replies: @Wally
      60. Hail says: • Website
        @Dumbo

        In terms of people who usefully and regularly move discussions forward without ad-hominems, I think many dozens qualify and that the list you propose is a very small portion (Whiskey is a borderline case at best, who may not meet the “not a troll” criterion. IMHO.)

        As to those who make lengthy and substantive comments, I would also add a word on behalf or Counterinsurgency.

        Due to a technical problem in which he lost control of his account, Counterinsurgency has been absent a while, but his comments were always well-reasonedlike essays or high-quality blog posts in their own right, well-received, well-articulated, and informative; never trolling, seldom polemical.

      61. @Ron Unz

        I recently suggested that 10-15% of our commenters were generally good quality, 10-15% bad quality, and the middle 70-80% somewhat mixed.

        I knew some of the kids would be pissed off that they weren’t on the Best commenter’s list, Ron, way to instill competition in the comments. As in the kind offered up by jealous school girls. Most of us are in the “lucky-not-kicked-out-on–our-asses” category. Nonetheless, Achmed Newman and a commenter name of FB and Carlton Meyers offer up concise, obviously formally-educated opinions in technical comments that cannot be topped, although some of the knaves attempt such. There are others I cannot now name, but I know them when I see them.

        Also, Andrei Martyanov, writer of some of the best articles, also returns to the comments for clarification when a commenter asks a question or seriously challenges a point laid out in an article, making Andrei one of the all-timers in commenting. Sailer also engages his readers, challengers and their insults and compliments in comments and he being of sufficient chops to be published, also makes top-notch comments. Most of you writers who come back to comment have forgotten more than us laymen will ever know or comprehend. That you writers engage the laymen in our queries is the top quality that makes this thing solid gold. I’d mention you in this light, but that’d be kissing the bosses’ ass, can’t have that. But as I’ve mentioned before, the Boeing 737Maxx thread was the All-Time Great. Brilliant fellows came out of the woodwork to comment on that one.

        Brilliant people invented the stuff I made my living from, such things as IT, gigantic PBXs, digital voice and data transmission, the broadcast of music and video. Then, laymen such as I install the wiring, electricity and systems we didn’t invent and don’t understand the physics of how my stuff actually works. I know only how to make them work. As such, I always considered myself a Pothole Repairman on the Information Superhighway. As Clint Eastwood would say, a man’s got to know his limitations. As my departed Ma DID say, “The world needs ditch-diggers, too, Jimmy”. That’s me all over, although with wires. That’s most of us.

        Still, the writers who also comment are the very best. They oughtta be. They’re writers.
        Merry Christmas, all. Boston Pops is on. Speaking of the brilliant.

        • Agree: Hail
        • Replies: @Hail
      62. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
        @Rebel0007

        You’ve already consented, by virtue of posting here. You know, internet fine print. Did you have some plan for your comments? Go ahead, see if he takes you to court … or what he really means by that stipulation.

      63. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
        @Art

        A long comment that is only intellectually pleasing, is like masturbating.

        Pretty good analogy. And the expectation of a stroke from Ron…how exciting!

      64. @freedom-cat

        Many have problems with white men, or they have problems with women, Jews, Blacks, or anyone who has a religious preference, etc., etc.

        That’s your viewpoint, all due respect, Cat. Calling out the depravities of the above groups invariably brings a label, excusing said depravities. It isn’t the depravity that’s the problem, it is those who notice that ‘have/are the problem’. Instead of addressing the depravities of ‘groups’ (women, Blacks, Jews, whomever), you expect that we who notice depravity are to be cowed when a ‘label’ is applied to us. We who notice are the problem, the Misogynist, Racist, homophobe, Islamophobe, anti-Semite, you know all the usual ones. And we are to shut up, label having been applied.

        Hang a label on a dissenter, it’s discussion over and the depravities ignored, empowered, enlarged. That’s the hallmark of feminism, they invented the technique. Everything spread from there. Thankfully, there’s less of it here.

        • Replies: @Jay Igaboo
      65. MBlanc46 says:
        @Dumbo

        I don’t think that I’ve ever seen any on the Gold list. I recognize five of your six.

      66. A123 says:
        @AnonFromTN

        Congratulations.

        While we frequently (possibly always) disagree, our conversations have been factual and highly civilized.

        Do you happen to remember the full handle of the Buddhist (Ilya???) who also added to those threads? Again, someone I often disagreed with on ‘outcome’, but someone who was intellectually self consistent in terms of logic and presentation.

        MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎄

        [MORE]

        P.S. I am beginning to doubt miracles…

        — Where are the magical Present Wrapping elves when you need them most on Christmas Eve ?!?!?
        ______

        P.P.S. How about Assembly elves?

        — Who wrote these instructions?
        — Both Tab “A”and Slot “B” are myths.
        — The batteries are *Not Included* !!!!!
        — If this is the “Parable of Job”, is there a surrender lane? 😱

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
      67. Thank you, Mr. Unz, for the accolade. Whatever I offer that may serve to edify or enlighten our audience is merely a reflection of the diligence and patience of my teachers, be they known as teachers or otherwise.

        May I live up to the compliment you have given me and may this webzine provide a means by which we genuinely benefit from the company that gathers herein.

        • Replies: @Jim Christian
      68. donut says:

        Is it broken ? Why are you fixing it ?

        • Replies: @Ozymandias
      69. A123 says:
        @Ron Unz

        Mr. Unz,

        I was not around during that posting thread, however the approach I would have tried is:

        -1- “Communist” Lee Harvey Oswald was definitely involved.
        -2- Acoustic evidence is highly inductive that something more complex is going on.

        One shot echoed and one shot from the exact same location did not? I am among the least conspiracy oriented posters here. There is something scientifically wrong.
        _____

        The problem here is that posters frequently make unsubstantiated leaps. “Something is wrong, therefore a Jewish cabal killed Kennedy!”. Why? Proof?

        The hot issue of the day was racial integration of non-Jew blacks & non-Jew whites. If there was a 2nd shooter…. one does not need to look far for an entirely Jew free explanation.

        MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎄

      70. Hail says: • Website
        @Ron Unz

        I got the sense that it was filled with what the younger Alt-Righters ridicule as “Boomer Cons,” generating an edgier version of the 1995 National Review

        My impression from reading the threads there and from people who explicitly or implicitly reveal their ages is that there is, today, roughly equal balance between b.1950s, b.1960s, b.1970s, and b.1980s, and b.1990s cohorts, with the latter probably the smallest but the others of something like equal weight to each other. If I had to pick one, I’d say b.1970s is the largest.

        I have heard people accuse the Sailer commenteriat of a strong tilt towards, say, b.1940s and b.1950s, (and a semi-troll for a while repeatedly popped up accusing Steve and many commenters of only caring about “reverse mortgages”), but that has never been my experience there.

        (The oldest regular commenter, Simply Simon, is now in his early nineties [b.1928] and a definite outlier. Not sure who the youngest might be, but occasionally commenters identify themselves as 2010s-era veterans of undergrad institutions, putting them as solidly b.1990s.)

        That is a rough guess, granted, and I would be curious if good data, if ever collected, backs it up. I don’t think Steve has ever done a reader demographic survey, as the highbrow blogger SlateStarCodex does (I would think this is something you have considered for the Unz Review, as well. A reader demographic profile via survey.)

        Perhaps you could point me to a few iSteve threads that you consider particularly valuable.

        I’d think that higher comment count and higher original-post word count track with value. A good portion of his posts are one-liners and attract comments of the same kind.

      71. Hail says: • Website
        @Arilando

        Currently this link works for direct download:

        [MORE]

        unz dot com slash CONTENTS/AUDIO/kbarrett/KB-TJ_2019_1216_unz_web.mp3

      72. @Anonymous

        “But once Sailer realized I was a — gasp! — female, my posts started getting delayed or never showed up.”

        Sailer “whims” my comments for many reasons, but I’d guess that the most common reason is unflattering comments about women in general. So I disagree with your assertion.

        • Replies: @Jim Christian
      73. @Anonymous

        What happened to you is common place. I’ve seen a repeated pattern of it. It may seem like it’s just the “Right wing” on the spectrum, but the men who hang out in left leaning sites are likely just going along with the crowd when it comes to women. My guess is leftist males are really not much different on their views of women (Clinton for ex). They just see women as another means to the end.

        It’s sad to see someone with great insight and creativity be shoved to the side because of who you are. How much talent this world misses out on! Plus, have you ever had your ideas stolen by a male co-worker? I had that happen and he had the audacity to share my idea in a meeting when I was there as well!

        You might consider creating your own website. They are not that hard to build.

      74. Talha says:
        @Ron Unz

        Twitter is certainly a valuable medium for promoting and distributing serious content by means of excerpts and links. But otherwise, I think its primary attraction is to lazy or stupid people, who prefer insults and slogans to serious thought.

        Yup:

        I only follow less than 20 accounts (I have no idea how or why people follow hundreds). Once in a while, it’s a great place to find a remarkable thread on a topic with accompanying video and photo information, but otherwise…it’s good for the occasional cat video or baby yoda meme to share with my kids.

        As far as the gold box – wow – I just hope I can live up to expectations; like my brother AnonStarter stated, anything good I bring is a result of my prayers and efforts of my parents and teachers – all else is due to my own faults.

        To be honest, this platform has done me a great service; far more than anything I’ve possibly put into it. Much of my research and citations on various Islam-related topics was scattered all over my hard-drive. The archive and precision-search capability has allowed me to effectively not have to search through various documents and papers when I need a reference that I need to send to somebody. I can’t speak for others, but I could easily understand you charging someone like me a fee (even if I never comment again) for all the searchable data that you are storing for me for free.

        And I still think, you could make a ton of money – not that you need any more – if you decided to integrate this comments system into something that could be deployed as a WordPress package. It really is the best I’ve seen so far, all others are just too clunky or overcompensate with graphics for what they can’t provide in functionality.

        Peace.

      75. @donut

        It’s the birth of the thumbwhores.

      76. @utu

        “Elevating Excellent Commenters – Vary bad idea. Poor judgment on Ron’s part.”

        This makes a good topic sentence to begin a paragraph with. And it might even be persuasive if you followed this assertion with reasons for believing it.

      77. Biff says:
        @Ron Unz

        I wasn’t surprised to see that most of the individuals bitterly complaining about this new policy or the selected list seem to be in the bottom 10-15% of commenters that I’d just as soon gradually drive away…

        Now there’s a list we would like to see.

      78. stevecel says:

        Can I get a gold star from Mr. Unz, too? It’s not as satisfying as paying for the privilege of contributing “content” to his site, but it’s gotta be worth something, right?

      79. Lot says:
        @Ron Unz

        “ are terrified of being called “conspiracy nuts” as well as “racists,””

        That’s obviously false. Steve is routinely labeled a racist by leftist media!

        As for JFK:

        Reagan was shot and nearly killed by a lone nut.

        Gerald Ford had another lone nut get a shot off that went within 5 inches of his head. Another nut shot at him from two feet away but failed to load her gun properly. MLK was killed and George Wallace nearly killed by lone nuts.

        • Replies: @Biff
      80. Wally says:
        @2stateshmustate

        – Thanks mate, much appreciated.

        – You are quite correct. Until the ridiculous “holocaust” narrative is dispensed with nothing will change.

        – All the lamentations here about The Usual Enemies of Free Speech, SJWs, Cultural Marxism, etc. are today all based upon, enabled by the “holocaust” fraud.

        – As for receiving the Ron Unz Badge of Obedience Award, count me out. I’m not interested in pleasing Ron Unz. That’s not what I’m here for. There are much bigger fish to fry

        Merry Christmas.

        • Replies: @Ozymandias
      81. Wally says:
        @Saggy

        said:
        “Plus, you cucked on the holohoax, saying “I only studied it for a couple of weeks”.

        – Indeed, a la David Irving’s walk back.

        – It’s my bet that no “holocaust” debunking Revisionist will get blessed with a Ron Unz Gold Card.

        Regards & Merry Christmas.

        Only lies require censorship.

        • Replies: @Hail
      82. Sean says:

        I also think it is more than coincidental that two of the six members of the list are pious Muslims, whose belief-based personal standards would lead them to avoid crude, trivial, or poorly punctuated comments

        Alcohol? I usually sat down with a couple of bottles of IPA to comment. Much less so lately.

        Commenters with real sounding names (eg, Larry Kimber instead of L.K.) improve credibility and citability for those new to them or coming through a link from outside the site.

        Peter Frost’s comments meet the gold standard.

        • Replies: @JackOH
        , @Wizard of Oz
      83. Kali says:
        @Onebornfree

        I doubt very much that you know what I think about the writers here at Unz., or their general inclinations towards statism.

        I find this website valuable for many reasons, including causing me to articulate (contadictory) thoughtss of my own (hopefully) before commenting.

        I’d much rather express why I think someones possition is wrong, incomplete, or lacking perspective… or why I agree with them, than simply comment every day that no-one here has any idea what they’re on about because they’re “commie statists”, whithout actually explaining or describing my own concidered perspective.

        Onebornfree, where you really born free? I find that to be quite a claim to make considering that, unless you were raised by wolves, you we’re born and raised in a family/society upon which, as an infant at least, you were entirely dependant for your survival. Conformity iis a survival instinct for the young of our species… some continue in that childish impulse, some become adults.

        For those who become adults there is a transition period from one state to another which involves deep introspection.

        Sadly you comments on this website (at least those that I have read) reflect no such transition or period of introspection. Rather they seem to be the childish protestations of a brat who wants his own way but has no idea how to achieve that.

        You don’t actually bring anything to the conversation. Foot-stamping and beligerance don’t benefit you or anyone else.

        I do hope you grow out of this phase one day and learn to express yourself in a more adult manner.

        I also hope that you HAVE freed yourself from the system/state and that your comments here represent more than your own personal frustrations at your inability to do so.

        Regards,
        Kali.

        • Replies: @Onebornfree
      84. Kali says:
        @German_reader

        I came very close to suggesting that Ron makes/keeps comments free for “elevated” commenters when I read this update last night.
        But it occured to me that he’d open himself up to yet more acusations of editorial bias (as this current comment thread is revealing). And so I hesitated.

        Having slept on it I find that, regardless of any such accusations, it still stikes me as a good idea. Even should I disagree with commenters perspectives/politics/etc, the quality of the writing, research ond expression of those perspectives may help to elevate my own comments in the same regard.

        Many see bias as unavoidable, and so it may be. But this website is Ron’s creation, which offers excelllence almost as standard: not only in the scope of topics covered, of taboo subjects explored, of philosophies and perspectives expressed by columnists and bloggers, but in the freedom it offers readers to express their own opinions and thoughts.

        And if he wants to encourge excellence amongst commenters, as is his obvious wish/bias on this issue, that’s fine by me. Excellence encouages excellence!

        Persig sought and found it. So can Ron.

        (And maybe, just maybe, these changes to commenting here will help to tone down the dull roar of the frightened “white” commentors who seek solace in racist rhetoric.)

        Kali.

      85. dearieme says:
        @Ron Unz

        … Congress officially declared it was probably a conspiracy. Top mainstream academics writing in the NYT have declared it was probably a conspiracy, and the NYT has implied the same. Some of my elite Establishment friends are absolutely 100% sure it was a conspiracy.

        So it probably wasn’t a conspiracy after all. Did you ever?

        • Replies: @Lot
      86. @MikeatMikedotMike

        I seem to recall Talha being very critical of those states that you mention. He’s incredibly polite and patient even with those who try to provoke him. I think it’s good for non-muslims like myself to see the better side of Islam because there are good and bad people amongst all peoples. Islam isn’t going to go away and Talha has studied Islam mare than most and makes a big effort to present his knowledge to increase understanding of what he believes in. He’s been in the US since he was 6 IIRC.

      87. Sir.

        When Taki’s closed their comment sector, untidy and often not presentable to polite society as it was, I gravitated here.

        While some threads are — as were some of the threads over at taki’s — not exactly appetizing, the same can be said about some of the articles, which make one wonder whether at times the urgently needed criticism of the Zionist Entity and its rabid apologists is just an excuse for plain old antisemitism.

        Anyway, I am an adult and I can judge for myself. It is your great achievement to let me judge. For this I am grateful, the more so as more and more media outlets seem to exist in a deadly fear of their readers and viewers possible wrongthink.

        You have an excellent commentariat as it is, with nearly every thread containing nuggets of wisdom and hints for further study. That is perhaps an even greater achievement than your collection of authors: whom you publish, you can easily control, but to find good readers can be influenced but indirectly.

        Please sir, do not risk that part of your achievement by fixing what needs not be fixed.

        • Agree: Parfois1
      88. Biff says:
        @Lot

        As for JFK:

        Reagan was shot and nearly killed by a lone nut.

        Gerald Ford had another lone nut get a shot off that went within 5 inches of his head. Another nut shot at him from two feet away but failed to load her gun properly. MLK was killed and George Wallace nearly killed by lone nuts.

        Big difference between low brow fumble-fingered long nuts, and a professional hit job – specifically, the success rate…

        • Agree: Daniel Rich
      89. Hail says: • Website
        @Jim Christian

        Andrei Martyanov, writer of some of the best articles, also returns to the comments for clarification when a commenter asks a question or seriously challenges a point laid out in an article, making Andrei one of the all-timers in commenting. Sailer also engages his readers, challengers and their insults and compliments in comments and he being of sufficient chops to be published, also makes top-notch comments. Most of you writers who come back to comment have forgotten more than us laymen will ever know or comprehend. That you writers engage the laymen in our queries is the top quality that makes this thing solid gold.

        I second this. I suspect that the original-author’s engagement (or non-engagement) in his own comment sections has a definite effect in terms of shaping that particular author’s comment-section culture.

        as I’ve mentioned before, the Boeing 737Maxx thread was the All-Time Great. Brilliant fellows came out of the woodwork to comment on that one

        I wonder if you mean the two James Thompson threads, or another one.

        Dr. Thompson’s are:

        Boeing 737 Max: An Artificial Intelligence Event?
        JAMES THOMPSON • MARCH 11, 2019 • 1,000 WORDS • 653 COMMENTS

        Boeing 737 Max: the Upgrade
        JAMES THOMPSON • MARCH 18, 2019 • 2,000 WORDS • 885 COMMENTS

        The biggest Steve Sailer one is:

        737 Max and Outsourcing
        STEVE SAILER • JUNE 28, 2019 • 700 WORDS • 466 COMMENTS

        • Replies: @Jim Christian
      90. Talha says:
        @Talha

        Correction – should have been:
        “…a result of THEprayers and efforts of my parents and teachers…”

      91. Onebornfree says: • Website
        @NoseytheDuke

        NoseytheDuke says: “Islam isn’t going to go away”

        “History does not record anywhere at any time a religion that has any rational basis. Religion is a crutch for people not strong enough to stand up to the unknown without help. But, like dandruff, most people do have a religion and spend time and money on it and seem to derive considerable pleasure from fiddling with it.” Robert A. Heinlein

        “God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent – it says so right here on the label. If you have a mind capable of believing all three of these attributes simultaneously, I have a wonderful bargain for you. No checks, please. Cash and in small bills.” Robert A. Heinlein

        “One man’s theology is another man’s belly laugh.” Robert A. Heinlein

        Regards, onebornfree

        • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
      92. @Kali

        Kali says: “ You don’t actually bring anything to the conversation.”

        Although, no matter how much I have disliked, or did not agree with any individuals particular opinion here, I have never used the “Ignore poster” [or whatever it’s called ] option here.

        That’s because I am at least intelligent enough [or maybe just disciplined enough?] to be able to visually ignore [or at least just laugh at] most of the statist drivel consistently posted here by all of the state -worshiping, indoctrinated writers/commenters, unless I feel it worthy of ridicule [purely for self-entertainment purposes, of course.]

        For you, well, I would suggest that if yourself and others here don’t like my posts [as consistent, unapologetic worshippers of the state, most here obviously do not 🤪], you are apparently perfectly free, using the wonders of modern technology, to completely ignore me, “ for ever and ever, amen”.

        There, problem solved! For free, no less! http://onebornfree.blogspot.com/

        “Regards” onebornfree

        • Replies: @Kali
      93. @A123

        Thanks! I vaguely recollect agreeing with you on something, don’t remember what.

        Unfortunately, I don’t remember a handle of the Buddhist. I think his/her perspective would be valuable. To the best of my knowledge, Buddhism is the only major religion not guilty of mass murder of “infidels” (if we discount its minor militant branches, like Tibetan). It is interesting that the father of Russian defense minister Shoigu was a Buddhist, although he positions himself as an Orthodox Christian.

        In fact, I am surprised to be included. I disagreed with Ron quite a few times on many issues, always presenting my arguments to counter his. Apparently, he is a fair-minded guy, prefers commenters to tell him what he needs to know, rather than what he wants to hear. Maybe that’s the secret of this site being interesting and the discussions being substantive, in contrast to heavily censored comments sections on most MSM sites, which makes discussions there vapid and boring.

        BTW, I did not believe in miracles even as a child. Habitual demand for evidence made me irreligious, and served me well in science.

        Merry Christmas to you! If you celebrate something else, best wishes, anyway. Personally, I celebrate New Year. That was the most popular holiday in the USSR/Russia: everybody agreed on it, whereas all the others were pretty divisive.

        • Replies: @Brás Cubas
        , @Art
        , @Anon
        , @Seraphim
      94. @mark green

        ” Including some from the other side”

        Sort of like the concept of : okay we have eating too much Filet so let’s switch to eating shit for a while.

        Look there is no possible reason under the sun for non-leftists to be “fair” to leftists, fairness being a mindset which the leftists have never adhered to.

        DT found out how the leftist concept of fairplay works after he defended NP stating that she is not a racist and she responded with the remark : But he is.

        Authenticjazzman “Mensa” qualified since 1973, airborne trained US Army vet, and pro Jazz artist.

      95. Ron:

        If you accepted bribes to get on the list your financing problems would probably get resolved. 😉

        • Replies: @anonymous
      96. This new development is not doing much to reassure me that the Unz Review isn’t just the high-concept fauvist social seminar it increasingly resembles. The move is not value-neutral; it will be scrutinized, and both the gold-boxing and especially the particular designees so honored will radically change the character of this place as well as the perceptions thereof. I find it interesting that the assembled list is well known for producing comments so bland and insipid that it is difficult to recall a single, notable thing they’ve ever said. Glancing over the whole ensemble, the only thing that springs to mind is that ‘Talha’ is an obvious plant, and the rest don’t register any strong feelings whatsoever. Why, look at how meek and ‘umble he is to receive Ron Unz’s peculiar attention!

        like my brother AnonStarter stated, anything good I bring is a result of my prayers and efforts of my parents and teachers – all else is due to my own faults.

        Blow it out your minarets, you two. This pitch of false modesty has nothing to do with any truth, spiritual or temporal. No man who really believed in what he was doing would act like that. This is a purely cynical political maneuver designed to get ever more and more of your influence swallowed whole as if it were just the universal and agreed upon norms of public discourse. Yours is the politeness of Machiavels and I’m not buying it for a moment.

        Ron, you should have done more to vet this creature before elevating him to the court, unless of course you’re on board with the whole program of Muslification, as may be suspected from this passage:

        I also think it is more than coincidental that two of the six members of the list are pious Muslims, whose belief-based personal standards would lead them to avoid crude, trivial, or poorly punctuated comments.

        A bizarre (or is it bazaar?) statement. What the hell is this, the Noble Savage myth? What does it mean when these ambassadors from the east—dutifully toting their crude, trivial, and poorly punctuated holy book—are elevated here in one of the few places that disaffected Westerners have come together in order to hatch a belated attempt to salvage what remains of their own civilization? It means that you are throwing the children’s bread to the dogs, that’s what it means. We will now forever have the spectre of Talha, floting genie-like in a cloud of green smoke, his dark vizier-eyes flashing, as the true Svengali behind the Unzian throne. To wit:

        The new Gold List distinction will probably be aimed at the best 2-3% of our heaviest commenters, and provide various special privileges so long as they don’t misuse them.

        Perhaps soon to include some delegated authority to moderate the comments of the sleazy 15% I would just as soon drive away. The site is growing by leaps and bounds, after all; and I am oh-so busy with my software work!

        And while we’re (somewhat) on the subject of comment moderation, I would just like to say in passing that either Steve Sailer’s moderation policy needs to change, or Sailer needs to be removed. In the 1890s, two men on opposite sides of the planet could have had quicker conversations via telegraph. It is unacceptable in this day and age to have a comment waiting around in moderation for half a day or more when you’re trying to have a conversation with somebody. The seasons move faster.

        Sailer is, in general, a profoundly overrated mediocrity who is not worth the shelf space he receives here. A substantial number of his blog posts are either one-line “Whaddaya Think?” pieces or are shamelessly cribbed from the comments. The comments, indeed, provide the entire substance of his blog and he long ago lost the moral authority to curate them with the glacial phlegmatism he prefers. When you add to this the fact that this supposed god and master of The Real Science!™ of HBD is a science blogger who does not know the difference between micro- and nano-, does not know what the commutative property in mathematics is, and does not understand the periodicity of a pendulum, you cannot escape the impression that the reason Steve Sailer is not writing for the mainstream media is not because his ideas are dangerous (as he would fain have himself and everyone else believe), but because the man is a weird, lazy, and sloppy idiot who cannot produce anything more valuable than the occasional glibe tribute to black sportsballers and entertainers.

        And that is a strange pose for the so-called thought leader of White Identitarianism. Almost as strange as letting Muslims dominate the Unz Review. Something is going on here and it ain’t good.

      97. Onebornfree says: • Website

        R. Unz says : “Although regular readers are probably already aware of these individuals, I think their superior status should be emphasized to newcomers and casual readers. Therefore, I’ve now implemented a new feature highlighting their comments with a thin golden box around their names,”

        I say: do the opposite, Ron, do the opposite!

        Reserve special , elevated treatment/worship for the posters you _dislike_the most!

        Here’s why [courtesy of famous T.V. philosopher George Costanza]:

        Regards,onebornfree

      98. “low-quality chatterboxes”

        I plead guilty! The only name I recognized from the Dean’s List was Talha. I heartily agree. I always read his comments and have dialoged with him on the AE thread. He has earned his Golden Thread.

      99. anonymous[178] • Disclaimer says:
        @Justvisiting

        >> “If you accepted bribes to get on the list your financing problems would probably get resolved. 😉” <<

        — or — Ron could cultivate all the sour grapes on this thread and start a vinegary.

      100. @Wally

        “That’s not what I’m here for. There are much bigger fish to fry.”

        I think we can all agree that Fire Is Hot. But if I were to post Fire Is Hot, over and over, and over and over, every single day, over and over, in every thread I read, over and over, exact same crap, over and over, any reasonable person would get tired of reading it.

        As far as wasting space and words, you are the worst poster I have ever seen. Not just on this site but on any forum I have read. One can only imagine how miserable it is to know you in person. And I am quite certain that you spend so much of your time posting because those around you do their utmost to avoid contact with you. There is only one sensible reply to you and your endless repetition, “Shut the fuck up already.”

      101. Zumbuddi says:

        Say — whatever happened to Tom Dispatch?

        Merry Christmas All.

      102. @NoseytheDuke

        “I seem to recall Talha being very critical of those states that you mention. ”

        In my experience Talha tends to whitewash the extent of Arab participation in the transcontinental slave trade, their oppression of women, violence towards perceived heretics, the negative affects of Islam upon the technological advancement of Persia and the ME, the ME immigrant driven rape crisis that has befallen Europe, and some other things as well.

        But yes, he is absolutely polite and patient. Pakistan seems to be short on individuals like him. They could certainly use more.

        “Islam isn’t going to go away and Talha has studied Islam mare than most and makes a big effort to present his knowledge to increase understanding of what he believes in. ”

        Sure, that is known as proselytizing. Other than that, how his knowledge justifies the continued invasion of the West by western Asian muslims has yet to be adequately explained to me. Islam and Western Civilization are not compatible, so in the West one or the other is eventually going to go away, one way or another. Now, it is easy and reflexive for some to dismiss my non-desire to see more of them here as muhslumiphubia, or hate, or white trashinalism, or what have you. But that is incorrect. I have nothing against Muslims. I wish them well – in their native lands, as there is certainly a place in the world for Islam and its followers. However, it is not in the West and certainly not in the US. I do not wish to see them take over my part of the world because my race also has a place in this world, free of diversity and its ill effects. So make no mistake, Talha is here to make this part of the world more like that part of the world. Saying please and thank you is not an equal return for that.

        • Agree: Lot, A123, Hail
        • Disagree: TimeTraveller
      103. Decline of another website quantified. All the time the management were doing innovations to improve it and prevent the decline.

        http://tkolar.com//meta/meta.html

        In their case I don’t think their decline was at all related to anything they did or did not do; it is more probably a transfer to facebook and twitter which seem to be attracting everything into their black hole.

      104. @Intelligent Dasein

        /these ambassadors from the east/

        I was born and raised in America. From what I understand, Talha came to the states in his formative years. He’s as American as me.

        Talha akhi, what’s your hourly rate as a green-clouded, dark vizier-eyed Svengali genie? I’m considering increasing my own fees, but I don’t have the requisite swarthiness.

      105. The best commenters are those who provide insight into the thinking of foreign nationalists:

        German Reader
        Polish Perspective
        Reiner Tor (Hungarian)
        A Romanian

        • Replies: @Yevardian
      106. Lot says:
        @dearieme

        Unz suffers from confirmation bias pretty badly.

        When “mainstream academics,” Congressional resolutions, NYT articles, and “elite Establishment” members say something to support his Jewspiracy theories, they are credible sources. When they say something he disagrees with, well that’s just part of the big Jewspiracy.

        • Agree: Dissident
      107. Thomm says:
        @Intelligent Dasein

        Sailer is, in general, a profoundly overrated mediocrity who is not worth the shelf space he receives here. A substantial number of his blog posts are either one-line “Whaddaya Think?” pieces or are shamelessly cribbed from the comments.

        Fully agree.

        In fact, the exceptional commenters that RUnzie Baby has highlighted can easily be promoted into bloggers/columnists, who will gladly do it for free. Of the six highlighted, I am sure at least two would like to become unpaid bloggers with front-page billing over here. Recognizing future commenters like this keeps the pipeline ongoing.

        I am not saying Sailer should be booted before having a chance to up his game, but I certainly think he should have to compete very hard for his salary.

        • Replies: @Patricus
      108. Saggy says: • Website
        @Ozymandias

        Pure hasbara is such a joy !

        One can only imagine how miserable it is to know you in person. And I am quite certain that you spend so much of your time posting because those around you do their utmost to avoid contact with you. There is only one sensible reply to you and your endless repetition, “Shut the fuck up already.”

      109. @MikeatMikedotMike

        Jews were the most prolific slave traders.

      110. Lot says:
        @MikeatMikedotMike

        I resolutely do not want to learn more about Islam.

        I know from history it is consistently a source of civilization—destroying barbarism. It’s a gradually expanding blob that’s eating up some of the world’s most unique and ancient civilizations and pounds them into its crappy monoculture.

        Arab culture and religion are the most charmless in the world, the offspring of an illiterate pedophile warlord.

        Unfortunately I foresee crappy Muslim culture being shoved down Middle America’s throats over time based on that happening in Canada and England. Quds this, ramadan that. Blech! Literally any other large world religion would be better.

        • Agree: Hail
      111. Ron,
        Erebus is a very good commentator. He doesn’t source his comments as much as the selected posters, but his breath of Russian/Chinese affairs is very good, and he is a pretty good at backing up his claims and debating people.

        Dunno if he qualifies, but I consider him a very good commentator.

        • Agree: NoseytheDuke, Rurik, L.K
      112. @AnonFromTN

        To the best of my knowledge, Buddhism is the only major religion not guilty of mass murder of “infidels”

        The word ‘religion’ is used for so different things that it is occasionally a source of some confusion (I am not saying you are either confused or confusing, by the way, let this be clear).

        Some religions are ethnocentric and involve a cult of ancestors. Shintoism in Japan and Judaism practically anywhere are examples of that sort. Other religions go the exact opposite way, ignoring or even erasing the individual’s root and embracing all humanity. Christianism and Islam, for example.

        As for Buddhism, as writer Gore Vidal once remarked, it is more a philosophy of life than a religion. There is no such a thing as an “infidel” in Buddhism as it was originally conceived, since it is, as I said, merely a philosophy of life.

        It is interesting that the father of Russian defense minister Shoigu was a Buddhist, although he positions himself as an Orthodox Christian.

        No problem with that. If Buddhism is simply a philosophy of life, it will not necessarily conflict with any religion following. In fact, I think such a conflict would be impossible due to the philosophical nature of Buddhism, which is that of detachment.

        I see no point in any of those religions or ‘philosophies of life’. But knock yourselves out.

        • Replies: @anon
        , @AnonFromTN
      113. benjaminl says:
        @Ron Unz

        In my humble opinion, the value of the iSteve comments lies less in specific threads, than in the presence of a certain few commenters whose perspectives could hardly be found anywhere else.

        I gratefully take advantage of the “Commenters to Follow” feature to keep abreast of their latest musings, without having to follow any particular thread:

        Alfa158
        AnotherGuessModel
        arclight
        Auntie Analogue
        candid_observer
        Crawfurdmuir
        dearieme
        Hunsdon
        Jack D
        Jenner Ickham Errican
        Old Palo Altan
        PV van der Byl
        SimplePseudonymicHandle
        slumber_j
        vinteuil
        whorefinder

      114. Thomm says:
        @Intelligent Dasein

        When you add to this the fact that this supposed god and master of The Real Science!™ of HBD is a science blogger who does not know the difference between micro- and nano-, does not know what the commutative property in mathematics is, and does not understand the periodicity of a pendulum, you cannot escape the impression that the reason Steve Sailer is not writing for the mainstream media is not because his ideas are dangerous (as he would fain have himself and everyone else believe), but because the man is a weird, lazy, and sloppy idiot who cannot produce anything more valuable than the occasional glibe tribute to black sportsballers and entertainers.

        The abbreviated version of this is that Steve is a 100 IQ blogger catering to an 80 IQ audience.

        The financial conundrum RUnzie Baby is contemplating, and the fact that he has highlighted six exceptional and prolific commenters, reveals an extremely easy and obvious solution. Steve Sailer should have to compete very hard to keep earning his salary. Either the content from Steve will improve or the budgetary situation will.

      115. anonymous[221] • Disclaimer says:
        @Anonymous

        The Middle East does not define Islam. For that matter, neither does any nation or muslim in the present times. The very idea is laughable.

        The Holy Quran and the Sunnah of the last true monotheist prophet, defines Islam. Sure, you may scoff and point to several aspects in those combined words which stokes your Islamophobia, but they exist for the betterment of mankind, in terms which will matter most during our Judgement.

        Decadent and/or pagan/godless societies may find many of those aspects, “abominable,” but it serves as our baseline, and we will never ever amend it… thus, no matter how far we wander astray, we can always return, God willing.

        Will you then argue that Promiscuity, Rape Culture, Broken Homes, Immodesty, Normalisation of Homosexuality, Intoxication/Drug Abuse, Greed, Pornography, etc., quite prevalent in your lands, are classic examples of refinement of human sensibilities?

        Even if were to concede that muslims lack “refined sensibilities and impeccable manners,” it is not like these cannot be acquired through the quest of knowledge, as many educated muslims have already, but the realisation of True Monotheism, which we muslims have been blessed with, and your kind lacks, is not something which can simply be learnt by reading a book. It is something which can only be realised by the will of the Almighty One.

        It is blessing which most of your kind will never achieve, notwithstanding your “highly evolved” sensibilities and impeccable manners.

        • Replies: @joannf
      116. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
        @Brás Cubas

        Then how do you explain Myanmar, the battles of Buddhist monks against the Rohinga?

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
        , @Brás Cubas
      117. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
        @AnonStarter

        No, Talha is not like you. One of his recurrent themes is that if “Americans” decide to kick all the Muslims out, he will willingly oblige. That is not an American attitude, at all. I’ve always found it pretty weird.

        • Replies: @AnonStarter
      118. @anon

        But otherwise, I think its primary attraction is to lazy or stupid people, who prefer insults and slogans to serious thought.

        That sentence is funny for two reasons. The first one is self-evident for anyone who reads it attentively. The second reason is that it comes from someone who complains every other day that his own website attracts an inordinate number of crackpots.

        I myself rarely read Twitter, but in my case for reasons opposite to Unz’s. I find it too difficult to follow a thread. When I see some post on Twitter, it’s the nth entry in a thread and I have no idea what it is talking about. So, I conclude that I am too stupid for Twitter.

      119. Art says:
        @AnonFromTN

        To the best of my knowledge, Buddhism is the only major religion not guilty of mass murder of “infidels”

        Persecution of Muslims in Myanmar

        There is a history of persecution of Muslims in Myanmar that continues to the present day.[2] Myanmar is a Buddhist majority country,

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims_in_Myanmar

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
      120. @Brás Cubas

        I see no point in any of those religions or ‘philosophies of life’

        Neither do I. But the history of humanity is inseparable from the history of religions. I agree with you on substance. Einstein expressed this best: “the Jewish religion like all others is an incarnation of the most childish superstitions”.

        • Agree: Brás Cubas
        • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
      121. refl says:

        Recently, I have been checking on a number of commenters, whom I used to follow and who over time disappeared. One of the best commenters on the threads I followed was Jilles dykstra, a Dutch aparently, who stood out by frequently referencing books and who was certainly one of the best read commenters here.

        I looked him up and found his last comment under an article by Anatoli Karlin from January, 30th.
        In that comment he announced that he was going to die of assisted suicide two days later.

        I would like to point to his comments here and say that anyone with the habit to challenge the authenticity of commenters should take a pause.

        Merry christmas to everyone.

        • Agree: Ash Williams
        • Replies: @Hail
      122. anonymous[221] • Disclaimer says:
        @Lot

        The religion of absolute unbending True Monotheism… Blech!, indeed. Lol!

        Literally any other large world religion would be better.

        Ok, since you said literally, may I suggest animal-worship as practised by certain sub-continentals? They would love nothing better than to have hordes of whiteys thronging their temples. You could even have a fun time bathing in animal faeces. 😀

        [MORE]

      123. @anon

        Then how do you explain Myanmar, the battles of Buddhist monks against the Rohinga?

        This is more nationalism than religious intolerance. So-called Rohinga are Bengalis, who immigrated to Myanmar fairly recently. Their adherence to Islam is just a pretext used by Burmese nationalists.

        • Agree: Brás Cubas
        • Replies: @A123
        , @refl
      124. @anon

        I perfectly expected something like your reply. You are correct to a certain extent. I was not sufficiently clear in my exposition.

        You must replace ‘Buddhism’ in my comment with ‘Buddhism as it was originally conceived’, where it was not thus qualified.

        Buddhism has been institutionalized, and that occasionally led to an adaptation to its actual functioning as a Religion within a certain place or time; that has led to contradictions with regard to its original teachings. That has occurred to Christianism also, making it a marker for certain ethnicities in certain places and periods of time.

        So, the question here is that it is possible to use the word ‘Buddhism’ in different contexts, meaning different things. The same goes for ‘Christianism’. When you talk about Gore Vidal’s Buddhism, you are not talking about massacres of minorities; when you talk about Tolstoy’s Christianism, you are not talking about the Crusades or the Inquisition.

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
      125. niceland says:

        I am seeing some kind of symbolism, perhaps fitting for this time of the year. Carrying the golden ribbon is a blessing from heaven, but at the same time it’s like having a target painted on ones chest in a troubled neighborhood.

        • LOL: Hail
      126. @Art

        First, Wiki is full of lies. Second, see my comment #125.

      127. @Brás Cubas

        Institutionalization is a travesty of religions that claim that their gods are all-knowing. A being like that would see through you and won’t need parasitic intermediaries (priests) or your observation of various rituals. This kind of god would know whether you repent sincerely without confessions or human confessors, who are by definition as sinful as you are.

        • Agree: Brás Cubas
      128. @Onebornfree

        omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent

        Heinlein was a brilliant writer, mind, even a prophet in some ways.
        Not sure theology was his strong suit, however.

        The crown of thorns was not dandruff.
        He died for the life of the world.

        If one is to believe in God at all, how could He be other than the three named attributes?

        Merry Christmas to all, believers and nonbelievers alike.

      129. A123 says:
        @MikeatMikedotMike

        In my experience Talha tends to whitewash the extent of Arab participation in the transcontinental slave trade, their oppression of women, violence towards perceived heretics, the negative affects of Islam upon the technological advancement of Persia and the ME, the ME immigrant driven rape crisis that has befallen Europe, and some other things as well.

        Mike is 100% correct.

        The one I find most reprehensible is “Taqiyya” Talha’s response to a discussion about the Sbarro bombing. All humans with a soul feel compassion for children injured in violence beyond their control. Her reaction was personal joy at the reduced number of Jewish children.

        One of the reasons I started using [ PEACE 😇 ] as a closer was to push back against Taqiyya Talha closing her posts with a false claim of peace. She actively encourages and revels in violence against the innocent. Despicable.

        PEACE 😇 -&- MERRY CHRISTMAS 🎄

      130. A123 says:
        @AnonFromTN

        This is more nationalism than religious intolerance. So-called Rohinga are Bengalis, who immigrated to Myanmar fairly recently. Their adherence to Islam is just a pretext used by Burmese nationalists.

        I have to respectfully disagree. The pattern is consistent and multi-national:

        — India is fighting against Muslim invaders in Kashmir.
        — Burma is fighting against Rohingya Muslim invaders.
        — China is fighting against Uihygar (a.k.a. Weiger) Muslim invaders in Xinjiang

        Christian submissiveness before Islamic invasion in Sweden and Germany is the exception, not the rule. For any Infidel culture to survive, it must fight against adherents of Jihad and their practice of forced conversion.

        PEACE 😇

        • Agree: Hail, RadicalCenter
        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
      131. @A123

        Her reaction was personal joy at the reduced number of Jewish children.

        Give a link to the comments this is supposedly based on, otherwise one has to assume that you’re lying (which I strongly suspect you are).
        Talha btw is a “he”, as anybody familar with his comments should know.

        • Replies: @Talha
      132. (3) Maintaining generally good standards of grammar, punctuation, and spelling

        Uh, oh…

        • LOL: Talha
      133. @AnonFromTN

        incarnation of the most childish….

        Indeed! Einstein almost states the psychological basis of the Christian faith:
        It is the childlike of heart who are closest to belief in the Incarnate Savior…

        “O Lord, our Lord,
        How excellent is Your name in all the earth,
        Who have set Your glory above the heavens!

        “Out of the mouth of babes and nursing infants
        You have ordained strength,
        Because of Your enemies,
        That You may silence the enemy and the avenger.” Psalm 8:1, 2 NKJV

        Yet apparently Einstein did have a bit of the child in him. As I understand it,
        he did believe in an Intelligent (though non-Personal) Designer of the universe.

        Christ is Born–
        Glorify Him!

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
      134. Hail says: • Website
        @Intelligent Dasein

        Intelligent Dasein is a consistently insightful commenter who adds value; his reputation among regulars is solid and his words ought not be dismissed. (His frequent indulgence in contrarianism notwithstanding; actually, his kind of contrarianism is often helpful and he is no One-Note Johnny.) Call him a village wise man, so recognized by the rest of the core villagers and many in the surrounding countryside.

        Or, put in this thread’s terms, Intelligent Dasein’s handle is his gold-box for quite many regular comment-readers, at least in the comment-sections here with which I am most familiar.

        I have shared this impression of Talha (whom MikeatMikeDotMike cogently labels a Proselytizer):

        This pitch of false modesty has nothing to do with any truth, spiritual or temporal. No man who really believed in what he was doing would act like that. This is a purely cynical political maneuver designed to get ever more and more of your influence swallowed whole as if it were just the universal and agreed upon norms of public discourse. Yours is the politeness of Machiavels and I’m not buying it for a moment.

        Whether or nor others share this specific view of Talha (and/or AnonStarter; I don’t recall ever seeing the latter’s comments — another sign of how there is no single Unz Review commentariat but several that only slightly overlap), it seems absolutely sure that this general accusation is inevitable within this system. Individual bias, maybe; type bias, definitely. Why are two (?) of six elevated commenters Muslims?

        In general, I still think this move is, or is potentially, a good one. But Intelligent Dasein’s criticism is also good.

        What the hell is this, the Noble Savage myth? What does it mean when these ambassadors from the east—dutifully toting their crude, trivial, and poorly punctuated holy book—are elevated here in one of the few places that disaffected Westerners have come together in order to hatch a belated attempt to salvage what remains of their own civilization? It means that you are throwing the children’s bread to the dogs, that’s what it means. We will now forever have the spectre of Talha, floting genie-like in a cloud of green smoke, his dark vizier-eyes flashing, as the true Svengali behind the Unzian throne.

        letting Muslims dominate the Unz Review.

        The Unz Review is for “interesting, important, and controversial perspectives largely excluded from the [MSM],” but it is a stock-in-trade of the MSM to lecture us on how great Islam is, and how very very very great 99.99%+ of Islamic migrants are (the moral superiors of those lousy White-Christians in the West).

        So what is this? Is it that Talha doesn’t do overt angrily threaten jihad in ALL CAPS against other commenters? That he doesn’t hold up signs saying “Behead Those Who Insult Islam,” “Islam Will Dominate the World,” or the occasional 2006-vintage “We Hate Denmark”? Do proselytizers ever do that? One is left with the notion that this is a form of ethnoreligious affirmative action.

        I would like to finally mention here of Godfree Roberts, a Chinese Communist Party agent. Why Chinese Communist Party state media is being promoted here I have also struggled to understand.

      135. geokat62 says:
        @mark green

        I nominate mark green as the most distinguished commenter of them all. He should be at the top of this list.

        • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
        , @Rurik
      136. @MikeatMikedotMike

        Talha’s wife is Swedish and I hardly think that he was trying to make the US more like Pakistan by marrying a Swede and having four daughters (IIRC) with her.

        For the record, I believe that God is unknowable and I certainly don’t accept the premise of any of the “revealed” religions, I think that much of it was cobbled together for political reasons but I do consider that some wiser and more enlightened individuals invoked what they believed to be true at the time to attempt to help mankind live better.

        As it is said, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions.

        • Replies: @Talha
        , @Talha
      137. @Ozymandias

        There is only one sensible reply to you and your endless repetition, “Shut the fuck up already.”

        The ‘Commenters to Ignore’ button suffices to not have to read/see those commneters one strongly dislikes and/or disagrees with.

        Burning books or banning individuals is not how I see ‘democracy’ at work. Creating an echo chamber, in which only those individuals are allowed in, whom a certain ‘segment of people’ agree with, sounds hollow and void of the dissidence needed to achieve progress. Throughout history, great minds didn’t follow the logic of the period they lived in.

        Would it be fair to ask [following Newton’s law/logic]: if the effect on one segment is experienced as ‘positive,’ will it therefore [automatically] be felt as a ‘negative’ effect on the opposing segment?

        Given the above, I arrive at the following moral crossroad: “Do I really want to reach a point in my life, in which I become a self-licking ice cream cone?”

        I’d rather just read and draw my own conclusions.

        • Replies: @anon
      138. refl says:
        @AnonFromTN

        It is even worse – there is certainly religious violence and I would not want to belittle it. But then there is geopolitics:
        https://www.voltairenet.org/article198141.html

        By a geographical coincidence, Burma allows the passage across its territory of the pipe-line linking Chinese Yunnan to the Bay of Bengal, and houses the Chinese electronic surveillance posts for the naval routes which near its coasts. Making war in Burma is therefore more important for the Pentagon than blocking the two « Silk Roads » in the Middle East and Ukraine.

        Someone has read something about a faraway place that he does not give a f*ck about and works himself up on it – and so all the way along.
        Again, I do not want to belittle the reality on the ground behind the news, but we meet on this site to explore the masters behind the schemes and try a little bit to break their spell.

      139. @Hail

        Why are two (?) of six elevated commenters Muslims?

        Because Unz review is primarily an antisemitic website, and Ron Unz seems to believe that Jewish lobbyists are unfairly demonizing Muslims in the mainstream media (which to a very limited extent is even true regarding some Islamic countries, notably Iran; though lots of Jewish activists are quite eager for cooperation with Muslims when it comes to common foes, that is white gentiles of a Christian background who object to the transformation of their societies).
        Btw, this basic orientation of the website also explains the choice of L.K. and SolontoCroesus imo (both of them hardcore Holocaust deniers).

        Why Unz review publishes Mao fans like Roberts or Russian chauvinists like the Saker? I suppose mostly out of generalized contrarianism, on the basis that anyone opposed to US influence in the world must be right to some extent.

        • Agree: AaronB
      140. dfordoom says: • Website
        @freedom-cat

        So, I can see why Mr. Unz wants to crack down with the hope of attracting more thoughtful and articulate comments of qualify.

        I can understand that too. I just think that most of the methods he’s considering are poorly thought out and may well backfire.

        I kind of like Audacious Epigone’s policy. He has no problem with commenters who disagree with him but he insists on at least minimal standards of courtesy and if you resort to crudity or gratuitous insults he’ll stomp on you. As a result the discussions on his column tend to be lively and wide-ranging but fairly civilised.

        But I think that policy would trigger Ron’s censorship phobia. The problem is that if you want to get rid of moronic or offensive commenters the only effective way is to ban them.

        • Replies: @Daniel Rich
      141. @Hail

        Hey ya, Hail. The one with 855 comments on The Upgrade is the one. Best commentary ever and a lot of it was from pilots and learned engineers from that aircraft type, guys in the military, airlines, a fairly wide swath of aviation talent was in that thread. Achmed E Newman was one of em, a guy name of FB,, some of it got personal. It’s always fun being on the outside looking in on one of those. Damned good reading.

        And it convinced me, Mr Mainstream layman that aviation isn’t hallowed ground like it used to be. I was five years on flight decks, A6 elections seats and air conditioning 40 years ago, but that wouldn’t buy me a job sweeping flight lines at the airport when I got out. Seriously. Starting point belond fuelie was an A&P license. The whole thing was about safeguarding lives. But at the top, they don’t give a shit about passenger’s lives at some level because 737Maxx would have been a ground-up build, not that flat-bottomed-engined turd that is Maxx. Throw in the goodies in the Upgrade thread and the entire affair is scandalous. So no one will fly Maxx, it’s dead. Dunno WHAT they do with those ridiculous engines. Scrapperooni the frames, call it a day. Maybe bail out of civil air altogether. That’s my bet. Concentrating all our civil air into the biggest defense contractor in the same sector (nearly, anyway, Lockheed is the bigger monster who gave up at the L-1011 model) was a mistake. Boeing is late to the abandonment of civil air, but I believe they’re getting to it now.

      142. Talha says:
        @German_reader

        LOOOOL!!! Is that what homeboy is saying about me?!

        Thanks for including that snippet – I’ve got the guy on my ignore list so I wouldn’t know (or be surprised) if he’s accusing me of claiming to rape disabled kittens on webcams for money!

        Peace.

      143. dfordoom says: • Website
        @iffen

        Why can’t you be intellectually honest and just publish a list of those you wish to drive away?

        There are a number of things that could be done to improve the quality of comments. We could have struggle sessions, in which bad commenters would be encouraged to confess their crimes and ask forgiveness.

        Bad commenters could also be encouraged to denounce other bad commenters. If you name names you get immunity from submitting to struggle sessions.

        • LOL: Talha
      144. Talha says:
        @NoseytheDuke

        having four daughters

        For the record; one daughter and three sons – by the grace of God.

        Peace.

        • Replies: @NoseytheDuke
        , @Liza
      145. AP says:

        (1) Contributing a large number of high-quality comments, often drawing upon detailed knowledge, research, or personal expertise

        Here are examples of ” high-quality comments, often drawing upon detailed knowledge, research, or personal expertise” by one of the people on the list:

        https://www.unz.com/akarlin/helsinki-meeting/#comment-2421459

        “Funny when people who know nothing about the US use it as an example. There is NO official federal language in the US, period. NO official language in any state. “

        He lives in one of 32 US states where English has been officially declared the official language.

        https://www.unz.com/akarlin/donbass-or-death/?highlight=cars#comment-2499199

        “Isn’t it curious that only Japanese (Toyota), Korean (Kia), and German (VW) cars are now assembled in the US, whereas “American” cars are now assembled in Mexico?

        https://www.unz.com/akarlin/donbass-or-death/#comment-2499610

        Everybody assembles in Mexico, but very few assemble in the US. There are no American car makers among these few. I have VW Tiguan assembled in Mexico and did not buy VW Atlas assembled right here in TN because it is too big for my taste.

        He lives in TN near a massive GM plant but makes such statements.

        https://www.unz.com/akarlin/european-attitudes-on-miscegenation-2/#comment-3614570

        Second, genetically East Asians diverged from Europeans a lot more than Europeans diverged from Africans (all within that small diversity found in our species). Yes, the ancestors of whites and Asians likely were the same when they migrated out of Africa, but then Asians diverged further from whites than whites from their African ancestors.

        Yeah, Europeans are genetically closer to Africans than they are to Asians.

        https://www.unz.com/akarlin/open-thread-98/#comment-3625465

        Yes, Germans were forced to accept collective guilt for the “Holocaust” (we know by whom and on whose behalf), but if you read labels in their museums, they treat 1933-45 like a period of a devastating hurricane or flood, the emergence of which has nothing to do with Germans, who are just victims of that disaster.

        LOL, he accuses the Germans of whitewashing German crimes during World War II and absolving German people of their guilt.

        ::::::::::::::::::

        He is similarly wrong most of the time when he writes about Eastern Europe (over and over again), but I thought I’d post these examples because the Americans here would easily confirm.

        Overall, the most charitable interpretation is that he just posts a lot of nonsense that he thinks is true without knowing anything.

        And this is a “quality” commenter.

        Actual quality commenters are (I’m mostly on Karlin’s blog, I don’t know those who have commented elsewhere):

        Twinkie
        Reiner Tor
        Utu
        Jaakko Raipala
        Epigon
        Thorfinnson
        Bardon Kaldion

        • Agree: Lot
        • Replies: @utu
        , @FKA Max
      146. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
        @Daniel Rich

        […great minds…] ???!!!!!????

        Wally is a moron. Nobody does more to delegitimize honest analysis of the Holocaust, with his nuance-free constant drone, “It never happened.” Doesn’t do much for UR, either.

        • Agree: utu, Fran Taubman
      147. Hail says: • Website
        @refl

        Thank you, refl, for pointing this out. I too recall jilles dykstra’s comments fondly.

        jilles dykstra says:
        January 29, 2019 at 8:33 am GMT • 100 Words

        I am seriously ill, was unable to read UNZ for several days now.

        My comments will stop within a few months from now.

        What I miss in this article is how honest western mainstream history writing ended at the end of the twenties.

        Since then we have mainly propaganda against anti semitism.

        In Dec. 20, 2018, he wrote, presciently given his own serious illness in January 2019: “I foresee an interesting 2019, alas do not expect it to be fun.” The final post (Feb. 2) contained these words:

        i will die the day after tomorrow, i’m glad to live in the only country where i can decide to decide to die, within limits, alas, where i can take such a decision, is possible

        seriously ill, therefore typing is difficult, thus long explanations are impossible

        Rest in Peace, jilles dykstra (ca. 1942 – 2019) of the Netherlands. Thank you for your contributions. I know you said you were an atheist. But whatever the Great Unknown holds for us, I pray you are well.

        refl posted about you during Christmas Day (Netherlands time), a day on which we Christians celebrate the birth of Christ. A day that also has had strong Northern European seasonal (winter) celebration overtones now for centuries. A day which, from reviewing his comments, I see was also important to him.

        _______

        Looking back at jilles dykstra’s comment history, he was a fascinating man with significant life experience and an admirable form of political courage.

        He was also generous biographical info, though it was always peppered throughout the comment sections and not in one place. I’d like to present some excerpts here from various posts he made in 2018 and early 2019. It constitutes an approximate biographical picture of the man.

        Call this my tribute to him. An Unz Review comment obituary.

        [MORE]

        All blockquoted text is from jilles dykstra (comment archive), locatable within their original threads using the search function.

        Being a Dutchman whose ancestry here can be traced back to 1650, at two precise places, nobody ever lived more than say thirty miles away from these places, I’m always flabbergasted about lack of connection with a geographic area.

        I live, now since 1970, at no more than 150 miles from these places, where houses and farms where ancestors lived still exist, as do the villages of these houses etc.

        Since approx 1970 nephews etc moved away, one even lives in LA.

        But the connection with the fatherland remains.

        The above was written within a broader point about what American identity is in our time (“My impression is that in the USA no such connection exists” — the full comment is here at #37; I recognize the America he is talking about, though it is not the personal America I know. There are plenty of with strong ties to particular places in America.)

        During my lifetime in the Netherlands, from the time I began to be interested in politics, say 1955, until 2005, I never had the idea that Dutch democracy did not function.

        2005 was the year in which our anti EU constitution referendum was ignored, as it was ignored in the other two countries with a referendum: France and Ireland.

        In hindsight the end of democracy was much earlier, in this respect 1995 can be mentioned, when the Kok government decided to introduce the euro.

        I am Dutch, was born in WWII, have been politically interested all my life, both my parents were members of socialist organisations, so I think I have some idea about Dutch politics since say 1960.

        I went to gymnasium, 1955.

        [On Soviet-bloc automobile quality] I was in the Tsjech factory in 1965…Production was primitive [….] Prague at the time was a poor and sad city.

        how shocked my university professors were in 1963 about political interference with the education level.

        A far higher % of students had to pass the exams.

        The consequences we now see, my opinion, in the intellectual level of Dutch politicians.

        What makes it even worse is Gresham’s law ‘bad money drives out good money’.

        The three intellectuals among our 150 members of parliament are hated.

        About being able to understand French, I finished gymnasium in 1960, when French was still taught.

        Two years later it was over.

        Dutch knowledge of French, also German, now, you can see in bookshops, english books galore, hardly any in French or German.

        The best book explaining what economics is is, in my opinion Lionel Robbins, ‘An Essay on the Nature and Significance of Economic Science’, Oxford 1932

        In 1963, at my university, it was judged as ‘too difficult’, thus removed from the list of obligtory literature. […]

        Since 1980 already I’m flabbergasted at the stupidity of financial journalists.

        I graduated in 1968, one of the great things about economic science is that there is nothing new, once you’ve understood the theory you’re ready for the rest of your life. So I never read books on economics again.

        For those that now think I’m a complete idiot, I did read books on economic policy, I mentioned a few.

        I was [in India] around 1975, very poor at the time, saw hungry people for the first time in my life.

        The first and most impressive experience I had with racism was around 1975 in Sri Lanka. The contempt of our guide for Tamils shocked me. In hindsight I regret not having asked him about his reaons. This was before the civil war began.

        But I had the same around 1990 with a Tsjech working for me, nice guy, Dutch degree in economics, fled in 1968. His contempt for the Slovaks also shocked me ‘stupid farmers’. Also here I regret never asking him why.

        My idea of a cosmopolitan is […] someone interested in cultures and their histories, without seeing one culture as much better or worse than another.

        I alas was there just a few days, in the mid eighties, but Aleppo was for me the most cosmopolitan city I ever visited, more cosmopolitan, my subjective judgment, than Paris around 1958.

        My doubts about our quality media began around 1994, the Rabin murder.

        Until then I was behind the holocaust survivors, who clearly needed an own country, who had to defend themselves against Paletinians, just blood thirsty Arab terrorists.

        But the murder of Rabin, after the Oslo peace accords, by an orthodox jew, 1994 or so, made me wonder ‘do these jews want peace ?’.

        So indeed I turned to alternate sources, and discovered how I had been fooled for many decades.

        Sept 11 was the next shock, by now the ideas I had before 1994 about history since, say 1870, have been turned upside down

        We whites grew up in a world where white supremacy was not challenged, we felt so sure of ourselves that opening our countries for non white, and/or non christian immigrants, was the right thing to do.

        It is remarkable that jilles dykstra characterized himself as a mainstream MSM believer until his early fifties. He died in his later seventies (from the biographical info he provides, he was most likely born in either 1941 or 1942, definitely not after 1943). His intellectual journey also began after age 50 and before the Internet, and were fully shaped in the form we knew them, via his comments, before he turned 60 (in or about 2002).

        One of my children calls me a racist.

        Now I’m not the only one, when they speak with friends many complain about racist parents.

        My racism began when coloured Dutch began to interfere with an age old Dutch children’s festivity, on Dec 5 Sinterklaas arrives on a steam boat from Spain, seated on deck on his white horse, that rides the rooftops, while his assistants, Black Petes, throw gifts through the chimneys.

        These coloured Dutch feel offended by the Black Petes

        This “interference” with the Black Pete tradition seems to date to the 1990s; the earliest anti-racist boycott of ‘Black Pete’ to which I find reference online was in 1994. As with so much else of the kind, the anti-Black Pete movement by nonwhite Netherlands residents accelerated in the 2010s, and maybe that is what he was referring to.

        jilles dykstra several times wrote of the 1990s being a critical period for him, in various ways, including economics:

        the power of money has been growing, at the cost of disappearance of political power.

        The critical year for me in 1997, when free movement of capital was made possible in nearly the whole world.

        On his perceptions of the US gained from visits from the late 1970s to 2000s:

        First time I visited the USA was in 1978, it struck me how Dutch living in the USA still had the idea that we in the Netherlands were poor.

        Though visiting the USA at the time was expensive for us, it surprised me that waiting for the plane at Chicago some Dutchman going to visit relatives in the Netherlands heard me and my friend talk Dutch, and asked ‘are you coming from a ship ?’.

        That we had been on holiday was incomprehensible to him.

        Hope nobody is insulted, but even in 1978 the USA did not make a prosperous impression on me, just the cars were oversized.

        I first was in LA in 1978, between LA and San Diego it was about an hour’s drive.

        Now, that is what LA residents told me in 2001, I was visiting Yellowstone, noopen space any more between the two cities.

        I know next to nothing about these immigrants from the south, but I did have an experience already in 1982 on the LA Disneyland camping, a talk with the man in the RV next to us.

        He told me he was, or had been, adjusting canning machinery in Mexico, he did this each year, he said, because the Mexicans cannot do it themselves.

        My wife and I visited Florida around 2004, not understanding how to fill up the tank of my rented car in Miami I asked for help at the fuel station; I was completely ignored, speaking english. They behaved as if I was not there.

        My wife likes to shop at low prices, she went into a spanish speaking shopping mall, spoke english.
        Again, completely ignored.

        She speaks spanish reasonably well, as soon as she switched languages all was well.

        So, in my opinion the USA cultural stew has deteriorated in civil war, not yet with weapons, but with words: racist, fascist, nazi, whatever.

        Democrats are against Republicans in this civil war, white Democrats in my opinion have the illusion of eating the cake and keep it: letting in so many non whites that the Democrats can rule, at the same time being able to keep, or regain, their control over the USA.

        In Europe a similar development: Islamisation. […]

        On the shooting down of Malaysia Airlines Flight MH17 over Ukraine, July 2014, commented posted in 2018:

        I am Dutch, and of course the disaster starled us.

        Hardly anyone in our country has no personal connection with someone who died, or someone who lost a relative or friend.

        A friend of one of my children lost three relatives.

        On Western European political conditions as of the late 2010s:

        I fear for my children and grand children, were I thirty years younger, I also would contemplate emigration to a country expected to remain white: New Zealand, Australia and the Visigrad countries.

        jilles dykstra
        First Unz Review comment, mid April 2017.
        Final Unz Review, early February 2019.
        Survived by at least two daughters and grandchildren.

      148. @dfordoom

        The problem is that if you want to get rid of moronic or offensive commenters the only effective way is to ban them.

        Why not simply use the ‘Commneters to Ignore’ button? It works like a charm.

        • Replies: @dfordoom
      149. AaronB says:
        @Hail

        I just want to agree that Intelligent Dasein is one of the best – as in most interesting and unusual and intelligent – commenters here.

        As Unz.com seems to be transitioning to a sort bland “respectable” anti-Semitic site, this site will attract fewer unusual thinkers like ID.

        The evolution of Unz followed the usual arc – from revolutionary to dull respectability (Well, “respectable” in the sense that unusual perspectives that deviate from the editorial line are disfavored and bland conformity and avoidance of exciting ideas is expected).

        This happens to every revolution, so no one should be surprised. Unz is no longer the fresh and exciting Wild. West it was 4 years ago, and its time to move on.

        And any new webzine that someone moves into that is revolutionary now, will eventually gentrify also. That’s how it always goes.

        For the past year this place has mostly been a place to just let off some steam for me, and it was increasingly difficult to take it seriously intellectually.

        • Agree: joannf
        • Replies: @Jim Christian
      150. Hail says: • Website
        @Wally

        “Plus, you cucked on the holohoax, saying “I only studied it for a couple of weeks”.

        – Indeed, a la David Irving’s walk back.

        What is this referring to? Did Ron Unz disavow his Holocaust revisionsim article? I have seen no such thing. I cannot keep up.

        • LOL: Ron Unz
        • Replies: @Wally
      151. @A123

        Christian Jihad was called Crusades. Saudis and ISIS did not exceed the atrocities of the Christian Inquisition, or of Christian missionaries in Africa and South America. Many Muslim societies are just a few centuries behind, that’s all. As Douglas Adams (of “Hitchhiker’s guide” fame) rightly said, every religion would tell you that murder is sin, and will kill you to prove its point.

        • Agree: Ilya G Poimandres
        • Replies: @Wally
      152. @SeekerofthePresence

        Suit yourself. Still, Merry Christmas, Feliz Navidad, etc. Or best wishes, regardless what you celebrate.

      153. Charon says:
        @Ron Unz

        With your mathematical and analytical cast of mind, I’m almost surprised you didn’t come up with some sort of formula for this purpose.

        Off the top of my head: ((# of agrees received) x (# of responses generated)) / total number of comments. Thus yielding an index. Perhaps factoring in the number of “troll” tags as well.

        Since most ‘responses’ are either disagreements or elucidations–both tending toward substance–the likelihood of a popularity contest is diminished by a formula such as this.

        Now obviously even I can shoot other holes in the formula above, but 1) it took me five seconds to create and 2) I’m anything but a mathematician. I’m quite sure it can be improved.

        Finally, a crowd-sourced index allows some value for humor, at which some valuable contributors excel and for which I return to the comment threads more often than anything else.

        Please don’t discount the value of irony and comedy, which can be subtle but compelling tools. And I always admire those who can take matters seriously without taking themselves too seriously.

        • Replies: @Talha
        , @anon
      154. @geokat62

        Good call, mark green is a most distinguished commenter without a doubt.

      155. Onebornfree says: • Website
        @Lot

        Lot says: “Blech! Literally any other large world religion would be better.”

        How about a little sun worship, a la George Carlin! 😂 :

        Regards,onebornfree

      156. Dissident says:
        @A123

        The one I find most reprehensible is “Taqiyya” Talha’s response to a discussion about the Sbarro bombing. All humans with a soul feel compassion for children injured in violence beyond their control. Her reaction was personal joy at the reduced number of Jewish children.

        She actively encourages and revels in violence against the innocent.

        Citation needed. If you neither provide one nor retract, your accusation should be assumed to be blatantly libelous and removed accordingly.

        I second German_reader’s remark, as well, that referring to Talha as a “she” constitutes an embarrassing indication of not being familiar with his posts.

      157. There are many great commenters on this site and that is part of the appeal. As the volume of comments has grown of late perhaps it would be useful to identify the most persistent and annoying trolls. Their freedom of speech would not be infringed upon in any way but more and more readers would be inclined to include them using the Commenters to Ignore function which would likely reduce the incentive to troll.

        • Disagree: Brás Cubas
      158. utu says:
        @AP

        I was not at all surprised that Ron Unz could be taken with the Sovok of Tennessee. Think of Ron Unz as a more sophisticated version of Wally whose reality consists of artificial abstractions created by a text which then is reified and can’t be moderated by the experience of being immersed in the world because he is lacking that kind of experience. He thinks that spending X hours on reading on a particular subject and writing Y-words text on what he has just learned is the definitive understanding of the subject. Then there is falling for the trap of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” which always was successfully utilized by KGB/FSB, Mossad and CIA. It is possible that we are witnessing the implosion of Ron Unz’s project which likely follows from the Biblical dictum that ” pride cometh before a fall”.

        • Agree: FKA Max
        • Replies: @Wally
        , @AnonFromTN
      159. @Talha

        Thanks for the correction.

        • Replies: @Talha
      160. @AnonStarter

        “I was born and raised in America. From what I understand, Talha came to the states in his formative years. He’s as American as me.”

        My daughter’s hamster was born in an aquarium. It didn’t make him a fish.

        • LOL: Daniel Rich, Realist
        • Replies: @AnonStarter
      161. Talha says:
        @Charon

        This is a very important comment. Having run and currently running multiple websites in both a corporate and non-profit (voluntary) basis, I can tell you that anyone serious about expanding their website’s footprint or user base is looking at all the necessary stats and adjusting accordingly.

        I’m currently involved in an overhaul of the website for my spiritual teachers and we are looking at all the details when deciding how to drive our users to a specific area based on how users act AND based on the direction we want users to go. How we present which audio lectures will be displayed and which follow-up audio lectures should be displayed, the fact that we want them to not venture off into YouTube, the fact that we are optimizing for more remote users rather than ones in the vicinity since our stats are telling us that people all over the world are accessing the site (and then from where)…lot of info.

        Opening up “the hood” on Mr. Unz’s source code, I can see he is using Google Analytics, which we use as well, but I don’t know which secondary and tertiary dimensions he is using to analyze the data. Is there a database behind this also that is tracking certain other important data?

        Obviously all of the clicks are triggering actions that can be tracked by user and even anonymous users and everything can be categorized to make assumptions about or utilize user behavior. Now, I have no idea what Mr. Unz is tracking or analyzing to make his decisions, but I would venture to say it is beyond comment responses.

        I don’t even think the articles that get promoted up top are simply based on some random round-robin queue algorithm.

        Now only he and his team know what they are tracking, but here is some food for thought:
        1. Which commenters are put on ignore lists/follow lists?
        2. Which commenters (when highly active on a thread) draw clicks and bring users back?
        3. Which ones do the opposite of the above ?
        4. Which topics (when highly active on a thread) draw clicks and bring users back?
        5. Which ones do the opposite of the above?
        6. Which commenters plus topics bring in users and get them returning?
        7. Are users looking into certain commenter’s archives?
        8. Based on combinations of topics and users, where is the particular audience coming from (does the UNZ team care to draw more readership from Thailand or Kamchatka for instance?) and which target audience is the UNZ team more interested in?

        And it must be kept in mind that the analysis is being done is not on the louder crowd, but on the silent majority – the guys who read, but never (or rarely comment). As the saying goes…actions speak louder than words.

        Just some stuff to chew on.

        Peace.

        • Replies: @niceland
      162. FKA Max says: • Website
        @AP

        It’s mostly sophistry, not a lot of substance.

        What I find particularly interesting is that the Saker, Andrei Martyanov and commenters like AnonFromTN all reside here [in] the U.S., I believe, while espousing these views. Seems just a tad bit hypocritical to me.

        I would take them a lot more seriously if they in fact lived in Russia, like Anatoly Karlin, for example.

        https://www.unz.com/tsaker/book-review-losing-military-supremacy-the-myopia-of-american-strategic-planning-by-andrei-martyanov/#comment-2409800

        The way I see it, is that the Unz Review (UR) has become a “cleft” webzine:

        There are also others which are considered “cleft countries” because they contain very large groups of people identifying with separate civilizations. Examples include Ukraine (“cleft” between its Eastern Rite Catholic-dominated western section and its Orthodox-dominated east)

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clash_of_Civilizations#Major_civilizations_according_to_Huntington

        UR bloggers are generally pro-American, while UR columnists/featured articles tend to be mostly anti-American or U.S.-skeptical/pro-China/Russia.

        Anatoly Karlin is the most balanced UR contributor in this regard, imo. He is, obviously, pro-Russian, but not really anti-American and neutral on China, I feel.

        I am pro-American, anti-China/CPC, anti-Vatican and mostly neutral on Russia and the EU.

        [MORE]

        I have also voiced my concerns about https://www.unz.com/comments/all/?commenterfilter=AnonFromTN in the past: https://www.unz.com/tsaker/book-review-losing-military-supremacy-the-myopia-of-american-strategic-planning-by-andrei-martyanov/#comment-2403976

        Why isn’t Mr.Unz more suspicious of someone who supposedly makes a lot of money as an employee (but maybe he is self-employed?) , i.e. is neither retired nor interdependently wealthy
        “Considering what I make in my real job (yes, in Tennessee), propaganda machines of neither the State Department nor Russia can afford me.” – https://www.unz.com/tsaker/book-review-losing-military-supremacy-the-myopia-of-american-strategic-planning-by-andrei-martyanov/#comment-2404068 , and averages close to 200 monthly comments over the last two years?

        Maybe he works from home in Tennessee as a coder, stock trader, online marketer, writer, etc.?

        I was the most active on UR when I day traded stocks, but it just became too stressful for me (even though it was profitable). My wife actually makes more money than I do at the moment. I just manage our investments, currently make no “active” but just passive/dividend income and take care of our property (13 acres), but most of that manual labor is concentrated in the summer months and 7 months out of the year are very laid-back, because we are at 2000ft of elevation and not much grows here except between May and September.

        We designed our life to have very low monthly expenses https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIRE_movement and I will inherit money/property from my parents, who are affluent, but that probably won’t be for another few decades, depending on their health, etc. and if they don’t outlive me.

        The “Great Wealth Transfer” will see an estimated $68 trillion passed down from boomers over the next 30 years.
        https://www.businessinsider.com/millennial-millionaires-baby-boomer-inheritance-wealth-transfer-2019-10

        Source: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/us-population-pyramid-1980-2050/

        • Replies: @refl
      163. Talha says:
        @NoseytheDuke

        No problem! You got the number of kids correct though off the top of your head – that’s impressive!

        Peace.

      164. niceland says:
        @Hail

        I remember him.

        You know, our friends the Dutch have always had way with money and jilles, being economist, was no exception. It a testimony to his wisdom and foresight to check out long before Ron even got the idea to charge for comments.

        [MORE]

        I kid! I always get kinda nasty during Christmas for some reason. Thanks Hail for the obituary. Since I don’t have any Dutch alcohol I resorted to German beer to toast for fallen comrade. RIP jilles!

        Onto topic:
        I wasn’t joking in my prior comment in this thread. Our golden ribbon commenters will be under the microscope and face up-hill battle. They have targets painted on their chest (a cross to bear) and I assume they expect great scrutiny no matter what they post. I would hesitate to post anything at all under the circumstances expecting wall of opposition, severely out numbered with only a golden ribbon as shelter. I would wait for backup and in the meantime try to lay low and blend in.

        In plain terms; many more golden ribbons needs to be created, soon. Thankfully we have plenty of interesting commenters so there is no problem there.

      165. Ron Unz says:

        Looking over this comment-thread, I noted several nominations for additions to the Gold Frame list, and after a bit of consideration, I’ve now added Mark Green and Erebus.

        I may gradually add a few more over time, but such a status obviously loses much of its impact if it’s too widely distributed, so I’d like to keep the numbers quite small. My apologies for those deserving individuals not (yet) named.

        I also hope that the possibility will encourage some individuals to work on upgrading their commenting, perhaps avoiding crude slurs or insults, lackadaisical spelling and grammar, or a profusion of short, vacuous remarks.

        Incidentally, I should mention that one relatively minor benefit is that the comments of Gold Frame members remain visible when someone applies the “Endorsed Only” filter-button at the top of comment-threads, which dynamically hides the vast majority of comments and may be useful for handling especially long threads.

        • Replies: @FKA Max
        , @Saggy
        , @Erebus
      166. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
        @Charon

        Agree on the value of humor, but a big hole in your formula theory is the various mutual admiration societies, back and forth backslapping endlessly.

      167. Talha says:
        @NoseytheDuke

        I hardly think that he was trying to make the US more like Pakistan by marrying a Swede

        For the record, the women I was naturally going for (when looking to get married, two years after college) were Desis (from the Indian subcontinent). I actually pursued 3 young ladies (one Pakistani – she had absolutely the cutest smile, still remember it to this day 20 years later – one Indian, one South African Indian) and myself rejected 2 young ladies presented to me (one Pakistani, one Egyptian).

        My wife actually approached me about marriage (through a mutual religious teacher whose class we used to attend). Which is good because I was too intimidated to approach her so it wasn’t even something I was considering, but…here we are.

        Rest is info that is only interesting for those that care, so…MORE tag.

        Peace.

        [MORE]

        At the time, I was about to approach another young Desi lady (who eventually ended up marrying a friend), but got sidetracked by my wife. I was around a solid 135 and quite muscular at the time – I could rock 50 push-ups in a minute – so that certainly helped move things along in my favor.

        So this whole narrative about me thirsting over white-girls is simply fantasy – every single girl I pursued for marriage was darker-skinned than me (my hue being about the same as the Indian actor, Richi Kapoor*) except for that one Pakistani with the cute smile – and basically all were some flavor of Desi.

        Her younger sister converted and ended up marrying an Egyptian brother. They have two kids and might have one more. This brother is a whiz in the kitchen and practically put my retired mother-in-law out of a job by constantly cooking dinner for them.

        Her elder sister is the only one who did marry a white guy. He was an only child from a divorced home and didn’t want any kids. She agree to that. Anyway, a couple of years into the marriage, the guy ended up cheating on her and running off with some other woman – this is after they had been steady boyfriend/girlfriend and then married for a total of TEN years. This incident put my mother-in-law into a very depressive downward spiral for years from which she finally recovered a few years ago. So now she is nearing 45 – totally regretting the fact that she agreed to not have kids with the guy and did not meet any other guy (she dated plenty of white guys, but didn’t find any husband material) and is now going to a fertility clinic to get pregnant via artificial insemination. This is costing thousands of dollars and the chances for a viable pregnancy at her age is like 3% or less – so we’ll see how this goes. Very sad story.

        So…you tell me, bro; do you really think my Swedish mother-in-law (who I have a great relationship with) cares that her daughters didn’t marry a white guy? Because, as far as her experience is concerned; all of the guys that failed to live up to being husband material for any one of her daughters were all white.

        *The guy could pass for one of my uncles as well.

      168. Wally says:
        @utu

        – Laughable verbosity from another “Wally” obsessed, irrational True Believer in the impossible. I own that poor sap.
        – That would be the “Wally” which utu cannot refute.
        – That would be the “Wally” that has exposed utu’s impossible claims as the frauds that they are at this very site.
        – Still waiting for utu to tell us how his beloved yet impossible ‘Nazi gas chambers’ supposedly worked.
        – Still waiting for utu to show us the alleged millions upon millions of ‘holocausted’ human remains that are claimed to exist in known locations, but in fact do not exist.

        – More utu hasbarist silliness demolished here:
        https://www.unz.com/?s=utu&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

      169. FKA Max says: • Website
        @Ron Unz

        Incidentally, I should mention that one relatively minor benefit is that the comments of Gold Frame members remain visible when someone applies the “Endorsed Only” filter-button at the top of comment-threads, which dynamically hides the vast majority of comments and may be useful for handling especially long threads.

        Suggestion/Idea: Why not make “Endorsed Only” as the default setting for at least the featured articles comments threads/sections (which get the most traffic), and then offer a highly visible “All Comments” button “unfilter” option?

        That should majorly increase the quality of those comments threads.

        Twitter has a new feature called “Hidden replies”, which is doing a similar thing and allows users to “curate” their own comments threads/sections: https://help.twitter.com/en/using-twitter/mentions-and-replies#hidden-reply

        • Disagree: Dissident
        • Replies: @Mr. Anon
      170. Saggy says: • Website
        @Ron Unz

        I noted several nominations

        What is obnoxious about this whole scheme is that everything is you, you, and you. The idea of acknowledging valued contributors (i.e. commenters) is not inherently bad, it might even be good, but when it is left to your decision alone it becomes, to me, offensive.

      171. Wally says:
        @AnonFromTN

        – If the Arabs had not invaded and seized the Holy Land there would have been no “crusades”.

        – Please present proof of your claimed Christian “atrocities”.

        It’s simply incredible how easy it is to unmask BS just by asking for proof.

        • Replies: @Saggy
      172. joannf says:
        @anonymous

        You are absolutely right – one cannot but agree that black dogs are beset by the devil and must be exterminated.
        Only unbelievers could have bred devils from wolves for company anyway – how dare they !
        Islam is so far the only social system that can prove its ability to stop humanity from going astray in the direction of the heresy only kaffirs would dare call “progress.”
        God wants us to stay as we are, and keep copying Muhammad, may peace be upon him, the ideal man, who knew such wisdom almost 1500 years ago – while others are unable to comprehend even now !
        Is that not proof of Islam’s intellectual superiority ?
        There’s no real need here to add that Islam is also right about women – but I’ll do it anyway.

      173. Saggy says: • Website
        @Wally

        Wally, stick with the hoax.

        If the Arabs had not invaded and seized the Holy Land there would have been no “crusades”.

        The Arabs live in the Holy Land, they didn’t have to invade.

        – Please present proof of your claimed Christian “atrocities”.

        There is no shortage of proof of Christian atrocities in the ME, you just need to read any newspaper today, Moses inaugurated the initial Crusade ….

        Deuteronomy 7:
        1 When the LORD your God brings you into the land that you are aboutto enter and occupy, and he clears away many nations before you — the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations mightier and more numerous than you — 2 and when the LORD your God gives them over to you and you defeat them, then you must utterly destroy them. Make no covenant with them and show them no mercy. 3 Do not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons, 4 for that would turn away your children from following me, to serve other gods. Then the anger of the LORD would be kindled against you, and he would destroy you quickly. 5 But this is how you must deal with them: break down their altars, smash their pillars, hew down their sacred poles, and burn their idols with fire. 6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God; the LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on earth to be his people, his treasured possession.

        and the wars over the ‘Holy Land’ have lasted till today ….. GWB…

        And the American people are beginning to understand. This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while. And the American people must be patient.

      174. renfro says:
        @Hail

        I remember jilles and enjoyed his comments.
        Thank you for doing this tribute…..very thoughtful and kind of you.

        • Agree: niceland, Biff, Daniel Rich
      175. Wally says:
        @Hail

        Hello, Hail:

        – David Irving, after a curious early release from Thought Crimes Prison in Austria, awkwardly came up with a ridiculous ‘holocaust-lite’ position, utterly debunked here:
        https://www.unz.com/?s=irving&Action=Search&ptype=all&commentsearch=only&commenter=Wally

        – Irving, after making many, many such statements such as “..more people died on the back seat of Senator Edward Kennedy’s motor car at Chappaquiddick than died in the gas chamber at Auschwitz”, then says, ‘well, he hasn’t really researched the “holocaust” nor written any books on it’. When in fact he’s been swamped for ages with Revisionist research debunking the claims. He’s supported the work of F.P. Berg who completely, scientifically demolished the alleged gas chambers of the Reinhardt camps which Irving now curiously accepts. IOW, he’s obviously, under pressure, walking back his previous positions.

        – As Saggy has noted, Ron Unz appears to be back tracking from his “holocaust” position by weakly saying: “I only studied it for a couple of weeks”.

        – Among the many Revisionist comments and take downs here of those who try to defend the truly impossible “holocaust” story, we see Unz hanging back on sidelines, yet he comments readily on other topics. One would think that after his own work he would be more engaged. Hmm.

        – And notice that Ron Unz doesn’t respond to you, instead he weakly posts a LOL

        Cheers

        • Replies: @Theodore
        , @Parfois1
      176. niceland says:
        @Talha

        With all due respect, you sound like the second incarnation of Facebook administrator.
        This makes perfect sense for admin for religious website wanting to direct it’s users in certain direction. A kind of indoctrination perhaps?

        I think the goals here are quite different and hopefully along the lines – may the best arguments have impact.

        • Replies: @Talha
      177. @Hail

        Yes, jilles dykstra has been missed and will be missed.

        Thank you for letting us know how an earnest and intelligent man maintained control over his life.

        RIP Jilles.

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
      178. Polymath says:
        @Ron Unz

        Twitter is mostly garbage but there are a few people there who have mastered the form and are must-follows. I recommend @nntaleb to start. (Also, you get Trump with less media filtering than anywhere else.)

      179. Talha says:
        @niceland

        A kind of indoctrination perhaps?

        They came to us to learn something – specifically in the spiritual realm and that of internal rectification of the diseases of the heart – we want them to gain the most benefit during their stay so we facilitate that. Since our mosque opened, we have had a person convert every month; people are obviously interested. And we are trying to get people as far away from those calling to sanguinary interpretations of Islam as possible. The only reason I talk politics here is because that’s the coin in which everyone trades around these parts so one is forced to; you start talking politics in front of my teachers and they’ll change the subject. It is barely on their radar; they are too busy fixing broken souls and families.

        Secular people may call this indoctrination, but that’s the only frame that they know in which to analyze these things…when the only tool you have is a hammer, well…

        I think the goals here are quite different and hopefully along the lines – may the best arguments have impact.

        Possibly – you’d have to ask Mr. Unz what his specific goals are. I’m only giving insight as a person who is in the field at a professional level and knows the analytical tools available and what criteria could (not that it actually is) be used to grow user base and the footprint and influence of the site in general.

        To be frank; of course Mr. Unz has an agenda – the only ones who know it completely are Mr. Unz and God.

        If one is a guest at a feast, deference to the host that has extended the invitation is simply basic-level etiquette, especially when one is dining lavishly for free on exotic meals not available elsewhere. The poet Jaami (ra) or Attar (ra) I believe had some beautiful couplets on this regarding the banquet called creation.

        Peace.

        • LOL: Saggy
      180. @AaronB

        And yet, here you sit. Complaining. I love how people always make like they’re going to go, but then they always stay. To those I say:

      181. @Talha

        Quite the operator with the women in your day, eh Talah? Kudos! I applaud successful operators! Yer aces! Can’t say I remember your stuff though.. I mostly remember the posters who are engineers, especially the defense/aviation fields. See ya round the salt mine.

        • Replies: @Talha
      182. @Saggy

        The idea of acknowledging valued contributors (i.e. commenters) is not inherently bad, it might even be good, but when it is left to your decision alone it becomes, to me, offensive.

        It ain’t a Democracy.

        • Replies: @Talha
      183. You have made me see clearly that my predominantly critical (you might say negative) and sceptical contributions are my way of getting the best out of the best UR contributors, especially you.

        Now I have a suggestion for an extension to your American Pravda series, namely to follow up
        the following short passage in the Acknowledgments at the end of Catherine Nixey’s fascinating “The Darkening Age” (Macmillan 2017 & Panmacmillan)

        “Huge thanks too to John Pollini, who has written so lucidly on the Christian destruction of the ancient world – and the academic reluctance to address it”.

        • Agree: Brás Cubas
      184. Ron Unz says:

        Actually, after glancing over this fairly long thread, I feel I may have really been over-thinking the best means of weeding out the clutter of our most worthless 10-15% of commenters.

        Writing a comment, even a repetitive or worthless one, takes at least a little time and effort. So getting it trashed must be a somewhat painful or irritating experience. Once that happens enough times, I suspect that the commenters in question would either begin to mend their ways or else permanently depart for greener pastures.

        I think I’ll arrange for badly-behaving or particularly worthless commenters to have an increasing fraction of ALL their comments trashed, maybe 30% then 50% then 70% then 90%, thereby giving them increasingly strong “hints” that they’re doing something seriously wrong and should modify their behavior.

        One major source of confusion is that I have NEVER claimed anywhere that this is some sort of “free speech” website, only that we regularly focus on controversial topics and that our standards of moderation are far lighter than most other publications.

        But I wonder if these standards have really been a little too light. Perhaps just trashing a large fraction of all the worthless comments by the spammers and extreme obsessives who clutter up these threads would produce a much more beneficial experience for everyone else moving forward.

        Anyway, if certain individuals start to notice that more and more of their comments are getting trashed, they shouldn’t be too surprised.

        Also, off-topic comments on this particular thread will henceforth be much less likely to be published.

      185. Talha says:
        @Jim Christian

        Quite the operator with the women in your day, eh Talah?

        LOOOL! No bro, read it again – I struck out with three of the young ladies I was pursuing before my wife ended up asking about me, so no – definitely not the “smooth operator”. It must be made clear though, when I state “pursue”, it doesn’t mean I went out on dates with these girls, but rather that communications were exchanged, we met (in a chaperoned setting), discussion was had with family and similar things. Since marriage is the goal – up front and center – both sides are deadly serious about the situation and about the consequences.

        Can’t say I remember your stuff though

        Don’t worry about it – it’s really only for those interested in a niche topic – you definitely won’t hear me talking about the aeronautical engineering (though, had my father’s advice not prevailed over me to pursue computer science – that’s exactly the field I was initially interested in).

        Peace.

      186. Talha says:
        @Jim Christian

        You’d think people might ponder over the fact that this place is literally called the “UNZ Review”…

        Peace.

        • Replies: @Hacienda
        , @Jim Christian
      187. anon[229] • Disclaimer says:

        I think I’ll arrange for badly-behaving or particularly worthless commenters to have an increasing fraction of ALL their comments trashed

        Sounds great! As long as it takes in the hasbara posts from ‘Lot’ ‘Jack D’ ‘fran taubman’ ‘clyde’ ‘sean’
        ‘A123’ and the rest. 🙂

      188. Lot says:
        @Hail

        “ Whether or nor others share this specific view of Talha”

        My impressions:

        1. Long winded, nothing interesting to say.

        2. The cloyingly sweet perkiness and “PEACE” is off-putting. This and the prior point are common in all types of SubCons. American MSM subcons don’t have this style, Jeet Heer is a bad person but a perfectly good writer for example. But try to read even the major English language Indian newspapers. It’s painfully bad writing.

        3. I think he has a sincere Dinesh D’Souza/Grover Norquist view that Muslims are wonderful “natural conservatives” American conservatives should like and ally with. I suspect he supports this sincere belief insincerely, as his comments tend to have a pandering feel to them. I’m not sure however as I avoid reading them now for the reasons I state here.

      189. anon[229] • Disclaimer says:

        Hi Ron,
        Why don’t you use the ‘commenters to ignore’ data to cull the chaff?
        The commenters with the most ‘ignore commenter’ hits get sent off the Island.

      190. @Jim Christian

        Well said, Jim Christian:
        The Left has had the exclusive right to dismiss argument and to slander others for (at least) two decades by the lazy application of a label.
        Personally, I don’t give a toot when the accuse me of some “-ism” or “-phobia”.
        I accuse them of being (most likely) the sort of time-serving and self-serving opportunists/cowards or unthinking brainwashed drones who exist in all societies dominated by a rigid and excessively authoritarian orthodoxy, who, if the orthodoxy was toppled and replaced by its ideological opposite, would be the first to herd Joos or homosexuals( or any of PC’s beneficiaries into cattle trucks) whilst anti-authoritarians like myself would be much more likely not to look away.

        I challenge challenge them to explain why their label invalidates a well-reasoned argument, and why they think that banning ALL criticism of certain groups( or any group) is ultimately of benefit to those groups.

        Jews, for example, have been subject to pogrom for millennia. Sometimes it is plain jealousy of their successes, sometimes it’s because of their actions against the host nations.
        If they, or ANY group become exempt from criticism, human nature is such that the worst elements of those groups will ruthlessly exploit such weakness.
        Hubris grows until they think they are a master race.
        History shows quite clearly what ills are attendant to both subject and master from such thinking.

      191. Realist says:
        @Buzz Mohawk

        Maybe it just so happens that the highest quality comments are coming from people who meet your descriptions.

        The new policies being instituted by Unz are increased censure ship. Of course the highest quality comments are the ones that Unz agrees with…which is his prerogative.

      192. Willem says:
        @Ron Unz

        I think it is better to use the current situation, where readers can decide for themselves, without acknowledging, who they find interesting commenters (and therefore follow their comments) and who they ignore or (if they want to) block from viewing.

        Giving commenters a sort of golden frame will soon lead to commenters who will do their utmost best to conform and stay within that what defines golden status. True, you will get rid of the worst commenters, but at the same time you will get rid of the best commenters who either conform to ‘golden status’ (and get boring) or move away from this website as they are not interested in whether his or her viewpoints are admired or not.

        Personally, I always liked the kids who were sitting in the back of the classroom, doing their own thing, or sometimes even rebelled against the teacher, yet were still able to pass the exams and gave their fellow classmates the chance to pass exams as well, by giving the good example. These are the commenters that I follow here. Problem is that they may be difficult to be differentiated from the assholery that is provided by other commenters (the bottom 10-15%) and that the teacher (he who gives grades) ends up by giving the smartest of the class golden status instead of the rebelling few who are sitting in the back of the classroom.

        • Agree: The Scalpel
      193. Kali says:
        @Onebornfree

        What I’m trying to say to you, onebornfree, is that ridiculing and sniping from the sidelines is not helping your cause of exposing the “state” as an institution of force . – One which I share.

        If thats how you get your kicks, so be it. But that is the essence of trollish posting.

        Regards,
        Kali.

      194. Dumbo says:
        @Intelligent Dasein

        This is why Intelligent Dasein and Priss Factor are on top of my list, not because I agree with them, but because they provide singular insights that are actually useful and/or interesting.

        Talha is funny sometimes but I doubt he would be promoted if he wasn’t Muslim; outside of this particularity he’s not so special. The others I am unfamiliar with, and it appears that I am not the only one.

        As for Steve, I think ID is way too hard on him. He’s a likable fellow, but his strength is not so much in the writing itself but in the selection of the material (usually clips from the New York Times) and the occasionally inspired bon mot.

        Anyway, instead of selecting “excellent” commenters, something that is in many ways subjective, I think a much more useful feature would be to improve the Troll button, so that, say, if a commenter reaches 100 or 100 “troll” marks, he is expelled. Or perhaps better, that we as readers can make the comments of the people we marked as “trolls” disappear from our view. This way there is no censorship but we readers can safely ignore what we don’t want to read.

        It is annoying to have to skip the asinine drivel spouted by the likes of Tiny Duck, Just Passing Through, Sam Coulton, Obamawang, and a few other obvious trolls which I don’t remember right now. Or even people who are not trolls but who are annoying, or insane. God knows there are also many of those round here.

        • Agree: Hail
      195. @Ron Unz

        You are moving from excessive tolerance to excessive cruelty.

        I suggest that, should you really do that which you say, you first issue a warning to the person. That could be in the form of a comment, or of a TROLL signalling, or you could create an additional signalling button that only a moderator would have access to, marked WARNED, for example. After a number of these (which could be one, if you prefer), that person would be free game for temporary banning (permanent banning could be an option too, if you want).

      196. refl says:
        @FKA Max

        UR bloggers are generally pro-American, while UR columnists/featured articles tend to be mostly anti-American or U.S.-skeptical/pro-China/Russia.

        There is one thing, which should make anyone feel “pro-American”, as you put it: That is the fact that a site like this can be maintained there and contributed to from all over the world in a language that commenters from around the world can handle. That is the huge plus that the US has in any future confrontation – keep it for everyones sake.

        Else, the experiences needed to comment on numerous issues diminish with the proximity to the center of the empire. I note, that a number of Americans commenting here have experience with the military and have thus seen the dark side of American politics around the world from up close.

        I am sure, that commenter of Russian origin lose credibility in their old country for the simple fact of having emigrated. That might to some extend explain their posture. We can rest assured that ever more people of that background are passing by the discussion.
        People here should take into account and also lay out their own background, because it is essential to understand their perspective. Therefore, I am most interested in what people of Russian, Chinese, Muslim and any non-Western background have to say. I regularly read the articles by Lin Dhin, though the issues he deals with are mostly remote to my key interests.

        From what you expose about yourself, you are and have always been rather remote from serious hardship. So have I, though on a lower economic level.
        What you should be looking for is what you can learn from those people who have had their lives disrupted at some point.

        This is not about being pro-this or pro-that. You diminish your own intellectual capacity, if you don’t move on.

      197. @Ozymandias

        Where I live, Wally would be under threat of serious criminal prosecution.
        I actually prefer a world where Wally can bore me to death by repeating that fire is hot.

        • Agree: Colin Wright
      198. @Intelligent Dasein

        Sailer is, in general, a profoundly overrated mediocrity

        The adjective ‘profoundly’ is ‘profoundly’ misused on that sentence. Do you mean, as opposed to a shallowly overrated one? Anyway, you are right about him having a huge, loyal and substance-oozing commentariat.

        • Replies: @Realist
      199. The Scalpel says: • Website

        I’m holding out for when one gets a gold star for short snide comments. None of my teachers in high school, West Point, or medical school ever adequately appreciated them either. Life is just not fair.

        • Agree: Realist
      200. @anon

        /One of his recurrent themes is that if “Americans” decide to kick all the Muslims out, he will willingly oblige. That is not an American attitude, at all. I’ve always found it pretty weird./

        Talha occasionally uses dark humor to make a point.

        Then again, if, because of your religion, you were forced to leave a country by the point of a gun, would you fight to the death simply to stay? Would you risk the lives of your family members? Your sons? Your daughters?

        We have a lot of armchair warriors here; most of whom have no direct experience with the violence of war. Suicide rates among veterans keep skyrocketing. The link between them and the trauma they’ve seen is undeniable.

        • Replies: @Talha
        , @anon
      201. Saggy says: • Website
        @Ron Unz

        Also, off-topic comments on this particular thread will henceforth be much less likely to be published..

        What did Truman say about stepping into the kitchen ?

      202. A123 says:
        @Ron Unz

        Writing a comment, even a repetitive or worthless one, takes at least a little time and effort. So getting it trashed must be a somewhat painful or irritating experience. Once that happens enough times, I suspect that the commenters in question would either begin to mend their ways or else permanently depart for greener pastures.

        Mr. Unz,

        Seemingly random trashing offers no upside for improvement. No one can “mend” without understanding the “offense”. If your goal is mending, some sort of explanation is required when a post is disallowed.

        I will insert a passage from Heinlein’s Starship Troopers below the -More- Tag that further illustrates how to successfully “mend” behaviour. And, how a bad process can make things worse.

        Also, off-topic comments on this particular thread will henceforth be much less likely to be published.

        Very well. In the interests of comity, I will not push back against the posters taking off-topic shots at me in this thread.

        It is a dilemma. Trump’s undeniable track record of successes show that ‘hitting back harder‘ is a highly effective way to beat most liars and trolls. Unfortunately, it is often less than pretty & can swing off-topic pretty quickly.

        PEACE 😇

        [MORE]

        This book should be a part of every high school curriculum. Alas, the authoritarian SJW minority wants to produce conformity, not citizenship, so that will never happen.
        _______

        Excerpt from Robert Heinlein “Starship Troopers” (1959)

        Mr. Dubois then demanded of me, “Define a ‘juvenile delinquent.’”

        “Uh, one of those kids — the ones who used to beat up people.”

        “Wrong.”

        “Huh? But the book said — ”

        “My apologies. Your textbook does so state. But calling a tail a leg does not make the name fit. ‘Juvenile delinquent’ is a contradiction in terms, one which gives a clue to their problem and their failure to solve it. Have you ever raised a puppy?”

        “Yes, sir.”

        “Did you housebreak him?”

        “Err … yes, sir. Eventually.” It was my slowness in this that caused my mother to rule that dogs must stay out of the house.

        “Ah, yes. When your puppy made mistakes, were you angry?”

        “What? Why, he didn’t know any better; he was just a puppy.”

        “What did you do?”

        “Why, I scolded him and rubbed his nose in it and paddled him.”

        “Surely he could not understand your words?”

        “No, but he could tell I was sore at him!”

        “But you just said that you were not angry.”

        Mr. Dubois had an infuriating way of getting a person mixed up, “No, but I had to make him think I was. He had to learn, didn’t he?”

        “Conceded. But, having made it clear to him that you disapproved, how could you be so cruel as to spank him as well? You said the poor beastie didn’t know that he was doing wrong. Yet you inflicted pain. Justify yourself! Or are you a sadist?”

        I didn’t then know what a sadist was — but I know pups. “Mr. Dubois, you have to! You scold him so that he knows he’s in trouble, you rub his nose in it so that he will know what trouble you mean, you paddle him so that he darn well won’t do it again — and you have to do it right away! It doesn’t do a bit of good to punish him later; you’ll just confuse him. Even so, he won’t learn from one lesson, so you watch and catch him again and paddle him still harder. Pretty soon he learns. But it’s a waste of breath just to scold him.”

        Mr. Dubois then turned to me. “I told you that ‘juvenile delinquent’ is a contradiction in terms. ‘Delinquent’ means ‘failing in duty.’ But duty is an adult virtue — indeed a juvenile becomes an adult when, and only when, he acquires a knowledge of duty and embraces it as dearer than the self-love he was born with. There never was, there cannot be, a ‘juvenile delinquent.’ But for every juvenile criminal there are always one or more adult delinquents — people of mature years who either do not know their duty, or who, knowing it, fail.

        “And that was the soft spot which destroyed what was in many ways an admirable culture. The junior hoodlums who roamed their streets were symptoms of a greater sickness; their citizens (all of them counted as such) glorified their mythology of ‘rights’ … and lost track of their duties. No nation, so constituted, can endure.

      203. All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others – George Orwell

        • Replies: @Daniel Rich
      204. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
        @Ron Unz

        So getting it trashed must be a somewhat painful or irritating experience. Once that happens enough times, I suspect that the commenters in question would either begin to mend their ways or else permanently depart for greener pastures.

        That’s why I no longer read Mondoweiss, much less try to comment there.

        At least you’re wrestling with how to do this. Warnings and reasons would be nice, but as far as diminishing percentages, you do remember the begging dog story, don’t you? If you give in and feed the dog under the table every 15th time, it will still keep begging. I have no doubt that Wally would keep posting under your proposed prescription.

        • LOL: Ron Unz
      205. eah says:

        … their superior status …

        As conveyed by you/your opinion, it ought to be noted/emphasized — it should also be noted: your selection here is really none of my business — none of them are on my IGNORE list, anyway.

        … which perhaps reflects the lower standards of American education and the negative impact of our overwhelming popular culture of sports and entertainment.

        Sure bud — whatever you say.

        I also think it is more than coincidental that two of the six members of the list are pious Muslims, whose belief-based personal standards would lead them to avoid crude, trivial, or poorly punctuated comments.

        What does being a ‘pious Muslim’ (how do you know they are “pious”?) have to do with use of proper/correct punctuation? — asking for a friend.

        • Agree: Brás Cubas
      206. @Ron Unz

        Maybe Ron you have been overthinking the problem because you feel obliged to waste too much of your time on worthless comments. My time is undoubtedly less valuable than yours so maybe I take a more relaxed view but I don’t have any trouble whizzing past many regular commenters like Desert Fox and, though sometimes I fall for temptation, Wally.

      207. Talha says:
        @AnonStarter

        Talha occasionally uses dark humor to make a point.

        Actually, bro – I’m quite serious. I’m an immigrant to the US and they let me in by legal means. I am obligated to abide by the rules of the land – this should be no surprise to someone like yourself.

        If they (the citizenry and their representative government) legally stripped me of citizenship and told me to leave, I – being a law abiding Muslim, would comply.

        You win some, you lose some…and Allah’s earth is vast and His storehouses of mercy and provision are never empty. You may be in a different situation because you never asked for permission to enter in the first place, you are a son of this land and they will have to deal with that. If they want to give the government the right to strip any born American of their citizenship, well – OK – just don’t complain if they strip it from you because they don’t likeyour ideology.

        However, I’m certainly not going to move my family because of some bleating from loudmouths on the Internet. I have the role of a husband and a father to uphold after all.

        Wa salaam.

      208. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
        @AnonStarter

        You’ve made your point ….. at the expense of not addressing mine.

        That is your “gunpoint.” Talha (and I) said “decide.” You know, like Trump is doing lately. So the reaction is to make a case in court, to protest, etc. Talha is obviously well educated and resourceful. He might lose, but I can’t imagine he would acquiesce before making a challenge. That would be weird.

        Or maybe you envision the WN’s taking to the streets to shoot Muslims, like there’ve been cases against Blacks and Latinos, or Arabs after 911. Everybody else didn’t cut and run. Maybe Talha’s family has a palace somewhere that he’s so ready to go.

        • Replies: @AnonStarter
      209. JackOH says:
        @Sean

        Sean, +1 on Peter Frost and some of the other academic commenters here for confirming that the academy shuts down or prohibits promising lines of inquiry for ideological reasons, fear of riling important stakeholders, and the like.

        Back in the early 2000s, I looked into some academic literature and book-length journalism expecting to find some answers to questions I had. (Back-story’s TL:dr.) Like, I think, many folks, I believed the academy is a go-to place for truth. I didn’t find answers. I sort of suspected cover-up, but I wasn’t sure until reading the testimony of some of our professors here.

        Harassment is a common way of squelching inquiry without obviously raising questions about academic freedom and First Amendment liberty. If my memory’s okay, one dissident local prof had his office suddenly moved to a large utility closet. He got his regular office back, but the message from his department chair was delivered.

        • Replies: @Sean
      210. Give the best commentators opportunity to publish on the Unz.

        Then they can do the takedown also!

        • LOL: Talha
      211. @MikeatMikedotMike

        /My daughter’s hamster was born in an aquarium./

        That’s quite an extraordinary hamster.

        More likely it was born in a terrarium, which is okay, since your mistake befits the terrible analogy.

        • LOL: NoseytheDuke
        • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
      212. While trying to work out which, apart from Talha, was the Muslim amongst your chosen people I came across this in LK’s comments

        https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/faqs/353-faq-12-what-is-ae911truth-s-assessment-of-the-directed-energy-weapon-dew-hypothesis

        In that linked article I found

        [MORE]

        “FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, performed the first technical review of what brought down the Twin Towers and WTC 7. Even in its report, FEMA acknowledges (inconveniently for the official story, which cannot account for this fine destruction of the Twin Towers) that roughly 90% of the Twin Towers’ mass fell outside their footprints. Indeed, the entire plaza was covered with steel pieces and assemblies. Some of the structural steel was thrown as far away as the Winter Gardens — 600 feet”

        Contrast and compare what you said in your 10 September 2018 American Pravda article on 9/11

        “We [i.e. you Ron Unz] recognize the extreme implausibility that three huge skyscrapers in New York City suddenly collapsed at free-fall velocity into their own footprints after just two of them were hit by airplanes,”

        It is quite understandable that your important software work should preclude your following up every footnote and link and doing all the reading you might want to do for producing a definitive work, but, as one who puts a high value on reading the results of the application of your fine intellect to novel, difficult and intriguing questions I am disappointed. I would be disappointed too if you were still persisting with the notion that no plane hit the Pentagon as the quoted passage goes on to suggest.

        If I may with respect suggest one fact that you should give more attention to on 9/11 it is that the second tower hit came down first as one would expect if gravity was critical.

        Another is the nonsense of explosions heard after the planes struck by firefighters and other witnesses which obviously can’t have anything to do with the hypothetical profusion of explosive charges supposed to have been laid in advance and so controlled that erratically aimed plane crashes could be coordinated.

        I don’t apologise for this being OT, because it isn’t.

        • Agree: Brás Cubas, Dissident
      213. Dutch Boy says:

        Yay! First time I’ve had a (small) chance to get a gold star since elementary school.

      214. nsa says:

        Teacher Unz handing out gold stars to his prize pets for producing superior content is his little conceit and he knows better. In terms of effects, there is no qualitative difference in any of the content on the internet including the comments here…..there is just a glowing flat screen and the fact that billions of blood shot eyeballs are staring at it for hours on end. A certain pompous pop star professor back in the 60s and 70s argued that a medium with no content at all (the humble light bulb) had a greater impact on society than a medium chunked up with content (the TV). He also argued the corollary that it made little difference what content kiddies watched on TV all day…….cartoons, sex, violence, educational gunk, test pattern…….all had the same effect……..none.

        • Agree: Saggy
        • Replies: @Saggy
      215. @utu

        Wow! Frankly, when I saw it first I did not even understand what that frame means – I assumed the site just shows me that the comment is mine, not someone else’s. After reading this article I got the meaning, but did not attach much significance to it. But seeing who is offended, I am beginning to appreciate this honor a lot more. If those butthurt people approved of me, it would be a sure sign that I am doing something terribly wrong. Now I have a strong confirmation that what I do is right. Thanks!

        • Replies: @yurivku
      216. Rurik says:
        @MikeatMikedotMike

        I have nothing against Muslims. I wish them well – in their native lands, as there is certainly a place in the world for Islam and its followers. However, it is not in the West and certainly not in the US. I do not wish to see them take over my part of the world because my race also has a place in this world, free of diversity and its ill effects.

        I agree 100%

        but to my knowledge, Talha has made it unequivocally clear that the West, including the US, has every right, if not obligation, to protect its unique identity. Including the restriction of diversity, to include Muslims, as the case may be.

        For what it’s worth, I’ve learned as much from Talha at this site as I have from any other commenter, and most of the columnists. With the notable exception of outliers like Ron Unz.

        I don’t come here simply to bloviate, froth and rave, but to learn and expand my horizons, and we learn perhaps most from those whose perspectives are wide and diverse. (yes, there actually is a kind of diversity that’s a good thing).

        If Talha were like most Muslims and POC, demanding to colonize and destroy the West, then I too would be earnest in denouncing those views, but he’s not. Quite the contrary, he’s a very reasonable, if not scholarly Muslim, and I for one have learned a great deal from his efforts here.

        Even (or perhaps especially) when we disagree with others, (as has been mentioned on this thread), we learn and get edified by the battle of ideas. That’s what I love about this place.

        • Agree: SeekerofthePresence
        • Replies: @Talha
        , @MikeatMikedotMike
      217. @SolontoCroesus

        jilles dykstra was indeed great: very polite, thoughtful, and always presented evidence. His only folly was that he believed that something in a published book must be true. I told him once what I tell my grad students: not everything published is true, not everything true is published.

        Still, I wish more commenters were like jilles.

        • Agree: Ron Unz
        • Replies: @Anon
      218. @anon

        /You’ve made your point ….. at the expense of not addressing mine./

        No, I addressed it — not to your satisfaction obviously, but I did address it. I may have been mistaken about Talha’s intention, but even so, let’s examine this …

        You’re assuming a number of things about this hypothetical scenario that Talha is not. You frame the situation in terms of a legally contestable order while Talha imagines a situation in which it’s incontestable. Also, there are numerous as-of-yet undetermined factors which would affect the likelihood of success in any given trial. While I can easily imagine that Talha would prevail against such an executive order these days, the political winds may shift direction and diminish those odds. Perhaps this is what Talha envisions.

        In brief, it’s all speculative, so why attempt to divine political sentiment? If the social climate became so unbearable for people like Talha, then he might be wise to leave. Expecting every person confronting a similar situation to fight the system is simply unreasonable.

        • Replies: @Talha
      219. Rurik says:

        (2) Rarely if ever engaging in crude insults, slurs, or invective; (3) Maintaining generally good standards of grammar, punctuation, ..

        seems very, very unfair to me!

        What about a red box for particularly deranged commenters?

        With a warning- ‘read at your peril’

        • LOL: Talha
        • Replies: @Colin Wright
      220. Talha says:
        @Rurik

        Thanks Rurik! You were literally one of the first people I interacted with at this site and have continued to do so. So you know, probably better than anyone else, that I have been very consistent with my views from the get-go.

        Yes, I have absolutely zero problem with either the US stopping immigration completely as of yesterday or even a White Nationalist territory carved out of and seceding from the US territory. The main problem I have with the laws being changed that would legally expel me is a matter of inconvenience – it’s not fun to have to sell all your stuff and move, but hey – life throws you lemon sometimes.

        I fully agree with @Dumbo’s comment:
        “…outside of this particularity he’s not so special.”

        The only different thing I bring to the table is having studied Islamic doctrine under traditional Sunni scholars (part time) for well over a decade (this includes the spiritual disciplines) – and also my intense love of diving into certain core areas of Muslim history. Which is why I try to cite my sources as often as I can; so that others can see where I am getting my information and then freely explore the subject further on their own. Other than that, I can possibly contribute to a discussion about web design or ice hockey, but I’m really not that useful for too many topics apart from that. In fact, there have been times I’ve been asked specific questions about Shiah doctrine and I’ve mentioned people should ask Shiahs about the subject, since I haven’t studied their books with them. The issue is that Islam constantly gets brought up, due to world events and what not, so the subject doesn’t really get stale around here.

        If people aren’t interested in that particular topic or would rather get their information on it from other sources like JihadWatch or Anjem Chaudry or whatever, then they should simply skip over my comments since “these aren’t the droids you’re looking for…move along, move along”.

        Peace.

        • Replies: @Rurik
      221. I think I’ll arrange for (…)

        How will that work and, by the way, how did that work until now?

        I thought writers were their own moderators. Are you saying that up until now you prohibited them to trash comments and now that prohibition is being lifted?

        Or is it the opposite: they had a free hand and now you are enforcing bad-comment trashing? If this is the case, who gets to choose which comments will be trashed? Will there be a quota?

        • Agree: Dissident
        • Replies: @anon
      222. Sean says:
        @JackOH

        The late Professor Harpending (who I believe had tenure) said a young researcher with their name on a certain type of studies could count on getting no grant funding for any kind of study for the rest of their career.

        • Replies: @JackOH
      223. George says:

        When you elevate commentators you should create a “best of” section, so unfamiliar people can see what they wrote. Seeing a list of comments doesn’t help much because they are so disjointed.

        I personally wonder if by rewarding commentators in any way you might be triggering liability for what they write. I have no knowledge in this area, but it might be a legal complication. You are certainly admitting you are reading the comments.

      224. Anon[502] • Disclaimer says:
        @AnonFromTN

        Yes, and how about putting together an article with some of those things that are true that are not published, that you know about? You could use your AnonFromTN nom de plume. And also point out things that are published that are not true. Lots of people would appreciate it.

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
      225. Saggy says: • Website
        @nsa

        I’m nominating you for a gold star for that comment ! Marshall McLuhan was the academic, for the youngsters ! And, he was certainly right on some level.

      226. Rurik says:
        @Talha

        Yes, I have absolutely zero problem with either the US stopping immigration completely as of yesterday

        OK, first off, I’m noticing already one of the effects of the gold box.

        It feels like now I’m talking to ‘an exulted one’. I guess now there are tiers here. Oh well, I still agree with the choices, even if it leaves out some other excellent participants at Unz.

        Yes, stopping it, not reversing it, except for those here illegally or who commit heinous crimes.

        or even a White Nationalist territory carved out of and seceding from the US territory.

        ((they)) would never allow that, of course. But it might come to that if people are allowed to vote with their feet, so long as a sane America keeps the 2nd. On the day they capitulate on that one, is The Day of the American Kulak.

        The main problem I have with the laws being changed that would legally expel me is a matter of inconvenience – it’s not fun to have to sell all your stuff and move, but hey – life throws you lemon sometimes.

        Well, I hope it’s obvious, I’d be vociferously against something like that. America needs all the thoughtful people it can get, Muslim, Jew, Hindu or otherwise.

        There’s something that should be made clear. From what I’ve glimmered, the so-called ‘white nationalists’, would not be adverse to non-white people, if those non-white people conducted themselves as respectful, fellow citizens. In a word; family. The reason white people don’t want massive and transformational immigration of non-whites, is because those non-whites inevitably act differently, and are often hostile.

        I just posted a comment about Robert De Nero’s movie career, and how he’s had a chip on his shoulder the size of Gibraltar vis-a-vis whitey. And he’s putatively white, European.

        And yet he still harbors a visceral resentment/envy (even hatred?) for ‘whitey’.

        Who wants to live around people who resent you and wish to heap scorn upon you simply because you’re whiter (more Nazi) than they are?

        If all Muslims were like Talha, or all blacks were like Thomas Sowell, America and the West would be ennobled by their inclusion into our societies, but they’re not. Not hardly.

        It’s a truism that POC, (and Muslims and Jews, etc..) tend to identify with and support their own, inevitably at the expense of whitey. So it isn’t irrational ‘hate’ that causes whitey to question the wisdom of mass-immigration of non-whites, but simply sanity/survival. But that doesn’t mean America should expel those non-white individuals, whose inclusion in their respective societies has been a boon. And they are legion.

        The only different thing I bring to the table is having studied Islamic doctrine under traditional Sunni scholars (part time) for well over a decade (this includes the spiritual disciplines) – and also my intense love of diving into certain core areas of Muslim history.

        If people aren’t interested in that particular topic … …then they should simply skip over my comments

        Well, you’re being characteristically modest. I’ve been reading your comments for quite some time now, (as you mentioned), and your comments are wide-ranging in scope and topic, including popular culture and its varied undertones, technology, and beyond.

        Peace.

        • Replies: @Talha
        , @Ron Unz
      227. Talha says:
        @AnonStarter

        You frame the situation in terms of a legally contestable order while Talha imagines a situation in which it’s incontestable.

        The numbers it would take (in terms of voters and representatives) to amend the Constitution to strip me of citizenship based on me being Muslim would be – honestly – incredible. It would signal a massive sea-change in the attitude of the American public. Legal technicalities aside, it would represent a de facto overwhelmingly hostile population; hostile to the level of religious-based expulsions without any regard to behavior or conduct of any particular citizen. We are talking about basically Alhambra Decree redux.

        Possible positive outcomes would be:
        1. Reverse brain drain.
        2. Shattering of liberal myths in the driver’s seat of Western societies.

        Had this been the case of America in the early 80s, my father would obviously have not wasted any time standing in line and filling out all the legal paperwork to move our family over here; and likely would not have been given a chance to apply in the first place*.

        If the social climate became so unbearable for people like Talha, then he might be wise to leave.

        Exactly. Having some court issue a decree in contradiction to that is very little consolation as far as facts on the ground. As a husband and a father, I would have to assess the reality as it is – not in theoretical terms.

        Wa salaam.

        *I’ve wondered why people from such a different culture as Pakistan were allowed in anyway. The US was allies with Pakistan during the Cold War – they flew spy planes out of Pakistani territory over the USSR – were these things political quid pro quo? I don’t know. I guess buyer’s remorse at this point.

      228. Hacienda says:
        @Talha

        You’d think people might ponder over the fact that this place is literally called the “UNZ Review”…

        It’s singularly become Ron’s baby. At the start, it was more Sailer then Unz. But as usual the guy that owns the tools beats the guy who spouts (a little unfair, I know), as long as the guy with the tools is a skilled moderater, coder, and keen designer. Something about not having a lot of red, clutter, drapery, symbolic geometry that keeps the hounds at bay.

        • Replies: @Talha
      229. You really are trying to destroy your own site, aren’t you?

        Short, trivial, and vacuous enough for you?

        As an aside, I guess the whole idea of brevity being the south of wit is lost on you.

        • Replies: @Realist
      230. Talha says:
        @Hacienda

        It’s singularly become Ron’s baby.

        Yup – I mean, he is the one paying the bills to keep the lights turned on.

        a little unfair, I know

        Not always – sometimes the guy who spouts beats the guy making the tools – see Apple for instance. It all just depends. I don’t really keep up with Sailer’s threads, I have little use for the content, so I ignore. But say Sailer wanted to have total freedom to do things exactly as he wanted and with total ownership and independence. Could he build his own system online in his corner of the internet? No? How many people here would follow him? OK, there’s your answer.

        I mean, he can pull a Razib Khan move any time he wants, no?

        There’s a place called “Taki’s Mag”, a place called “Breitbart” and a place called “Lew Rockwell”, and so on and so forth. I used to be an avid reader of Lew Rockwell in the past. If a site is literally named after a guy; you can expect it to be run how he wants it. Now one can ask for him to make changes or adjustments to one’s liking, but it seems to be the height of entitlement to expect him to follow one’s orders when the relationship is so lopsided in what he provides vs what commenter A, B or C provide. Just my take.

        Peace.

        • Replies: @Hacienda
      231. Talha says:
        @Rurik

        It feels like now I’m talking to ‘an exulted one’.

        Since I never asked for this distinction, I feel no need to defend my placement in or out of it. If Mr. Unz dropped me from it, it wouldn’t make a difference since I’m just doing my thing either way.

        Yes, stopping it, not reversing it, except for those here illegally or who commit heinous crimes.

        Seems fairly reasonable to me.

        So it isn’t irrational ‘hate’ that causes whitey to question the wisdom of mass-immigration of non-whites, but simply sanity/survival.

        This also makes sense. To me – since Islam is a religion – and I come across white converts all the time (I get about one new white convert follower on Twitter every week or so – I’ve even come across a brother that was at that alt-Right rally in NC before he converted, no joke) – I don’t see a mutually exclusive divide between whitey and Muslim. Just a couple of months back, we had a spiritual retreat at our mosque and an ex-military brother named Robert came for the duration. Great guy – looked like a younger version of ZZ-Top. He converted and then his wife and mother did too. And so it goes…

        your comments are wide-ranging in scope and topic

        I’m honored that you’d take the time to read them, my friend.

        Peace.

        • Replies: @Ozymandias
        , @Rurik
      232. It’s peculiar to observe how some of us react to this announcement (except, of course, for the usual suspects).

        I myself would hold no grudge were Mr. Unz not to have privileged me with the gold-bar. In fact, if he decides it would be best to remove it, so be it. Administration is an unenviable position, particularly in a gathering of this variety — much like herding cats. I am highly skeptical that any given individual here would do as well from an administrative position.

        Though I don’t know much about Intelligent Dasein, a brief scan of his posts shows me that he’s not an exceptionally disagreeable fellow. His anti-TV disposition is spot-on, though his analysis of Jewish influence is a confused mess and his occasional irate epithets don’t do much for his otherwise cogent arguments. But, to the point: Were he gold-barred, I wouldn’t be upset, even if he despises Islam with a passion.

        I don’t see the designation as anything more than an attempt to improve the quality of discourse, prioritizing content and conduct over ill-mannered, vain dispute. Some folks here take issue with any attempt to control their behavior, which strikes me as puerile and petulant.

        One critique here likened some purportedly “snubbed” posters to class clowns who manage to succeed academically and teach their peers in spite of their recalcitrant attitude. Clearly, this person’s experience in a classroom of any kind is quite limited, as the vast majority of school jokers wouldn’t qualify to wash the robe of Diogenes (an atypically intelligent “class clown”). If you knew any good teachers, you’d understand this.

        That said, I don’t see Mr. Unz engaging in some kind of wholesale “purification” of commentary. I’m sure we’ll continue to enjoy our share of unfettered palyaços and ungrateful guests for some time to come.

        As for brevity, it’s much appreciated, but most subjects worth learning can’t be condensed merely to appease an impatient audience.

        In any event, just my two cents.

        • Replies: @Jim Christian
      233. jsigur says:

        Gee, we are reading your site. I’m not sure why you think giving your approval to some commentators over others does anything other than say that you approve of them Be careful, your elite status is showing

        • Replies: @Desert Fox
      234. Realist says:
        @Brás Cubas

        Anyway, you are right about him having a huge, loyal and substance-oozing commentariat.

        Similar to Giraldi.

      235. @Talha

        You’d think people might ponder over the fact that this place is literally called the “UNZ Review”…

        Yeah, that we even noticed makes us Unz Insiders. Conspirators to the plot. What’s the plot again?

      236. @Talha

        “If Mr. Unz dropped me from it, it wouldn’t make a difference since I’m just doing my thing either way.”

        Not just saccharin sweet, but ivory pure as well.

      237. @Anon

        When I tell this to grad students, I mean in science. About 30-40% of papers in biochemistry and cell biology are either untrue or not quite true. So, the list would be long and would need daily updating.

        Outside of science, ~95% of the staff published by NYT, WaPo, the Guardian, and others of their ilk, as well as 95% of the staff broadcast by CNN, BBC, Deutsche Welle, CNBC, and many others is either blatant lies, or lies based on facts twisted beyond recognition. Again, the list would be prohibitively long.

        • Replies: @Anon
      238. @AnonStarter

        May I live up to the compliment you have given me and may this webzine provide a means by which we genuinely benefit from the company that gathers herein.

        I predict your gold frame is going to attract psychos and maybe groupies.

        • LOL: AnonStarter
      239. @Ozymandias

        Sailer “whims” my comments for many reasons, but I’d guess that the most common reason is unflattering comments about women in general. So I disagree with your assertion.

        I have not been flattering to the destructive feminist cohort, but my posts go through. Sailer ‘whims’ me because I’m ugly. And he’s right.

      240. Realist says:
        @donald j tingle

        As an aside, I guess the whole idea of brevity being the south of wit is lost on you.

        …brevity being the soul of wit…

        FIFY

      241. @Hail

        Yes.
        Some of us here have similar motives as Jilles had i.e. to share some thoughts & experiences before one passes on.
        It’s our duty as elders.
        Insight and Wisdom normally takes a whole lifetime to achieve. And reserved for the very few.
        I remember the name, Jilles Dykstra. Now I know why.
        Thank You Hail. And refl.
        Regards X-

      242. @Ron Unz

        Good Ron.
        I agree.

        Starve them of what the want most of all. Attention.
        And, as BF Skinner showed us with birdbrains, starvation is a huge motivator.
        Either way, the peckers on these guys will eventually fall off.

        Regards X-

      243. @AnonStarter

        You guys in gold are gonna be getting a lotta return comments. Groupies! Stalkers. Shaving cream commercials! Endorsements for vodka, too, because it will all drive you to drink.

      244. Patricus says:
        @Thomm

        Hard to fathom that Sailer gets paid for his meager contributions. I stopped looking at his blog spot long ago.

        • Replies: @Ron Unz
      245. Hacienda says:
        @Talha

        Not always – sometimes the guy who spouts beats the guy making the tools – see Apple for instance.

        I meant that it’s a little unfair to say Sailer only spouts. He clearly does more than that. I’ve just outgrown that taste for bigoted humor that Steve and his kind traffic in. I haven’t outgrown the slapstick of white commentators that make fun of woke culture. Who, after all, is paying the bill for woke-ness? That’s a live issue.

        • Replies: @Talha
        , @Jim Christian
      246. Anon[502] • Disclaimer says:
        @AnonFromTN

        Well, I’m interested in the science papers, just the ones you would consider really important.

        And, what are the true things, that are not being published.

        or, just what strikes you as being interesting.

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
      247. Ron Unz says:
        @Rurik

        OK, first off, I’m noticing already one of the effects of the gold box.

        It feels like now I’m talking to ‘an exulted one’. I guess now there are tiers here.

        Actually, that’s a very good point. I certainly never intended this change to seriously alter the tone of discourse by producing any sort of intimidation, or provoke a possible backlash. Someone else upthread also reasonably noted that:

        Carrying the golden ribbon is a blessing from heaven, but at the same time it’s like having a target painted on ones chest in a troubled neighborhood.

        I think part of the problem is that the Gold Frame is much too loud and garish, and the marker should be considerably more subdued. Therefore, I just changed it to a simple star just before the Handle, which I think may be a better choice. Let’s see what people think. (The change may take a little while to propagate to the comment-threads of older posts and articles.)

        These sorts of ideas often require a bit of fiddling and experimentation before the best possibility is found.

      248. @Onebornfree

        Recognizing “high quality” contributors is probably a good idea. But the devil is in the details.

        “Quality” is often in the eye of the beholder. And the system could easily devolve into an actual or perceived “social credit” system. It could even lead to an “us vs. them” class resentment dynamic that pits the commoners against the officially sanctioned “gold boxers.” Think of the way “blue checks” is often used as a term of abuse on Twitter.

        These negative aspects could probably be headed off by using an almost purely objective (and transparent) algorithm. This could be generated by using a formula that weighs criteria like: (a) number of comments; (b) length of comments; (c) replies and cross-comments (especially by the other prolific commenters); (d) citations by the Unz bloggers and columnists; (e) success in producing substantive threads. I don’t know if Ron has the ability to tell on the back end how many people view or read a particular comment but, if so, that would be a good factors to include.

        Frankly, if Ron wanted to cheat just a little bit, he could weight the factors in a way that tends to reverse engineer the results he would have subjectively come up with anyway. But even still, an objective formula tends to quash a lot of complaining.

        • Replies: @Almost Missouri
      249. Rurik says:
        @Talha

        Since I never asked for this distinction

        I didn’t intend any slight.

        To me – since Islam is a religion – and I come across white converts all the time .. I don’t see a mutually exclusive divide between whitey and Muslim.

        Naw, me either, really. As you’ve pointed out, Islam seems to suit whitey in the Caucasus, (Caucasians), and others. In fact, as I bear witness to the rot in the Christian church- embracing homomania, and every other spiritual sewage it force-feeds whitey in the West, perhaps Islam, with it’s proscriptions against Jewish supremacy and usury in its lands, and frowning on man-boy ‘love’, (which the Pope seems to be advocating), might be better suited to the emasculated new “man” of the dying ((murdered)) West.

        I certainly think it’s done some good for many formerly lost black men, who’ve found dignity in the Nation of Islam.

        There’s something there, so long as with all things, it isn’t perverted by racist/religious extremists.

        you’d take the time to read them

        But of course, my friend.

        Peace.

      250. @AnonStarter

        Oh aren’t you so clever! They could really use people as clever as you back in the sand box! I believe they’re short a few.

        It’s OK though; if you don’t like that analogy, I have more. You and Talha are American the way Kaitlyn Jenner is a woman.

        • Replies: @Intelligent Dasein
      251. Talha says:
        @Hacienda

        I meant that it’s a little unfair to say Sailer only spouts.

        Ah – OK – sorry I misread your intent.

        I’ve just outgrown that taste for bigoted humor that Steve and his kind traffic in.

        I was going to say; if I ever venture into that area of UNZ, it looks like I opened up the door accidentally on a drunken frat party…slowly back away and close the door.

        make fun of woke culture

        As it should be made fun of – I don’t think that’ll get old.

        Who, after all, is paying the bill for woke-ness?

        Don’t know, but I do know that the declining future generations certainly will be paying a bill once it comes due – and it won’t be pretty.

        Peace.

      252. @Ron Unz

        Could you give us some details what sort of benefits “excellent” commenters will get in future, especially regarding the planned “pay for comments” scheme? Will they be exempt from it?
        Also have to say I find your choices so far rather unbalanced, there are huge sections of the site whose commenters you don’t even seem to consider for this distinction, e.g. Karlin’s blog, which often features quite high-quality discussions about history and current affairs in Europe, Russia and Asia.
        Maybe you could at least ask Karlin and the other bloggers for recommendations of high-quality commenters.

      253. @Hacienda

        I meant that it’s a little unfair to say Sailer only spouts. He clearly does more than that. I’ve just outgrown that taste for bigoted humor that Steve and his kind traffic in.

        Sailerman points out the traits and hate speech of the obviously bigoted Left. You grow tired of your depravities noticed I suppose. Lots of you are. But if you’ve outgrown that, may I and my kind merely say:

        • Replies: @Hacienda
      254. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
        @Brás Cubas

        Good questions. How Ron wants to run his site is his business, but all the contradictory statements are odd. Maybe he suddenly realized it was taking more of his time and money than he’d figured, or maybe in the past he didn’t want to admit publicly. FWIW, one writer was previously restrained from moderating less lightly, I heard.

        Maybe Ron just finally got fed up with certain comments. Who knows. It would be interesting (educational) to know what his expenses really are, what his policy has been, if he has employees to maintain the site, if he hires outside talent when there’s some sort of attack on the site. That last, security, seems like it might be a biggie. Maybe Ron will bless us freeloaders with an annual report.

      255. @Rurik

        “but to my knowledge, Talha has made it unequivocally clear that the West, including the US, has every right, if not obligation, to protect its unique identity. Including the restriction of diversity, to include Muslims, as the case may be.”

        That’s awful nice of him to say. Unfortunately, he is here, pushing his way of life, however affable he may be about it. His actions do not reflect his words.

        “I don’t come here simply to bloviate, froth and rave, but to learn and expand my horizons, and we learn perhaps most from those whose perspectives are wide and diverse. (yes, there actually is a kind of diversity that’s a good thing). ”

        The beauty of the internet is that he could present his vast knowledge from Pakistan.

        “If Talha were like most Muslims and POC, demanding to colonize and destroy the West, then I too would be earnest in denouncing those views, but he’s not. Quite the contrary, he’s a very reasonable, if not scholarly Muslim, and I for one have learned a great deal from his efforts here. ”

        Talha doesn’t need to make demands. Again, look to his actions. He has married a European woman and has spawned 4 Pakistani children with her. He is literally, at the societal molecular level, colonizing and destroying the West by action. In that way he is worse than the most zealotous, frothing-at-the-mouth jihadi pounding away at a keyboard in Saudi Arabia, or Dearborn, MI for that matter. As Hail and Intelligent Dasein more eloquent explained, Talha’s “Good Muslim” (as in good cop/bad cop) routine, the false modesty, the seemingly flawless way of life, are simply an angle at presenting his way of life as superior to the traditional American way (not the grotesque and exploited multi-culti mess we see today).

        I am here for the same reason you are Rurik. I also respect much of your point of view on a great many things here. I am unable to make concessions to any of those who would see me and my own eliminated.

        • Agree: Lot
        • Replies: @Rurik
      256. @Ron Unz

        How about a blue checkmark?

        • Replies: @Lot
      257. @Ron Unz

        I think part of the problem is that the Gold Frame is much too loud and garish, and the marker should be considerably more subdued.

        Come on, Ron! Gold Framers are gonna be like Clint Eastwood in Play Misty For Me. Give this Gold Frame thing 2 weeks, they’re gonna be like Tiger Woods in Vegas, circa 2008. That Gold Frame should look like the Sands on the strip, that sign! Flashing lights, a Neon Cactus, whaddya say? I tell ya, they’ll need agents, a publicist and an event coordinator!

      258. renfro says:

        Humm, ….I am not sure if this elevated commenters status is a good idea or a bad one.
        If I understand it it is suppose to encourage more intelligent conversation (by example) and perhaps reduce the trolls, pie fights and comments with no substance.
        Which would be good.

        OTOH, I have seen this done on other sites and while it had some impact on improving comments it also caused a drop out of what I guess would be called lower tier commenters and would be commenters because it became overly scholarly.

        I don’t know, guess we will see. I would put myself in that average 2nd tier of commenters and occasional bad boy and confess I don’t read lengthy post unless it is bringing me some new information. But that may be because I am more into today’s political realities than anything else right now. So I am probably not a good judge of what works best for unz’s goals.

      259. @Anon

        The definition of “important” depends on for whom? In my field there at least two kinds of important papers: 1) those that explain things that were earlier unexplained; 2) those that can be translated into practical medicine. Very rarely these things are in the same paper.

        As to unpublished, it’s easier: practically everything new and cool remains unpublished for a while, as people try to get their stories into “high impact” journals and often waste months going back and forth with them. Especially if you find something really new and unexpected – every reviewer tries to find holes in your story. Or if you step on someone’s toes and that someone is a big shot.

      260. Elsewhere says:
        @Ron Unz

        The gold star should be clickable to a page or hoverable to a message that explains what it means.

        I’m not sure that making the designation less garish will really change much in terms of perception.

        Now that there is a designation for your favorite commenters, I would be interested in who are each authors’ favorite commenters. I believe that Sailer already has a list of auto-approved commenters, which might be the same thing. Perhaps a star could be awarded in a different color for author favorites.

      261. Rurik says:
        @Ron Unz

        Therefore, I just changed it to a simple star just before the Handle

        a gold/yellow star?

        These sorts of ideas often require a bit of fiddling and experimentation before the best possibility is found.

        No doubt.

        How ever you’re managing it, just please keep doing what you’re doing. We’re all very indebted to you and grateful for it.

      262. @MikeatMikedotMike

        Oh aren’t you so clever! They could really use people as clever as you back in the sand box!

        Ahem, Mike…don’t you mean back in the terrarium?

        • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
      263. Rurik says:
        @MikeatMikedotMike

        He is literally, at the societal molecular level, colonizing and destroying the West by action

        He didn’t take it, (as so many of them do), but rather it was offered to him on a silver platter. He’d be a fool not to partake of the West’s most sought after treasure, when it’s placed at his feet.

        I don’t begrudge the POC or anyone else who come invited into the West to gorge on its tender morsels. Rather I blame the treasonous, venal scum who invite them in. Usually white men. I blame John McCain, and Dubya, and Cheney and all the other traitorous rats who sold us out for their thirty shekels. I blame Donald Trump for selling America a bill of goods, as the immigrants pour in.

        I blame the cucked Christian church, that’s who I blame. How can you condemn the Muslims and Africans and Asians and Hispanics and everybody else, for coming here, when our leaders give them freebies up the arse, and offer America’s children and young women as sexual enticements to get the worst of them- which Talha is decidedly, monumentally not- to come here.

        When lamenting the death of the West, and the Jewish supremacist triumph over our civilization, I blame Woodrow Wilson, and FDR, and Bush and Cheney and Mitt and Jeb!

        respect much of your point of view on a great many things here.

        ditto, Sir.

        • Replies: @Biff
        , @MikeatMikedotMike
      264. Hacienda says:
        @Jim Christian

        Sailerman points out the traits and hate speech of the obviously bigoted Left. You grow tired of your depravities noticed I suppose.

        He goes after the easy targets, IOW. I could make a meal out Lizzie, Jewess SJWs, Tranny crossover Olympic medalists too. There’s a market need for that, although getting smaller every year. He hit it. Good for him.

        I don’t consider myself liberal, either. I’m constitutionallly Taoist, Confucian, Unitarian. That’s no liberal. If I’m tired boomer of bigotry, don’t like Trump, that doesn’t make me a liberal or anti-white. It means I’ve learned my lessons through painful experiences in the real world. Thanks for playing.

      265. geokat62 says:
        @Ron Unz

        Therefore, I just changed it to a simple star just before the Handle…

        I don’t know, Ron. Placing a yellow star on a few select people could draw the attention of your purported arch enemy, the ADL.

        On second thought, this may just be part of your grand 4D chess strategy against them.

        But, what do I know. I’m just a dumb goy!

        • LOL: Hail
        • Replies: @Ron Unz
        , @Biff
        , @Nodwink
      266. @Saggy

        it’s Rons’ site; if

        he wants to gold star only girl scouts,

        so be it. Don’t like it? Leave. What he might do is make comments

        pay-to-play, except for gold stars. I’m sure

        that would encourage the rest of us to

        strive ever more mightily.

      267. Theodore says:
        @Wally

        From a previous post I made on Irving:

        Some context on Irving, who was never much of a “Holocaust revisionist” and never published a book focused on it. He in fact thought it was a “boring” topic, much more interested in the war and Hitler himself:

        1. In “Hitler’s war” (1970s) Irving said Jews were systematically exterminated, first by execution squads, later by mobile gas-trucks and eventually in the camps

        2. After 1988, because of the Leuchter report, Irving started questioning the Auschwitz gassing story. Irving’s introduction to the Leuchter Report (which he republished in 1989) stated:
        “Too many hundreds of millions of honest intelligent people have been duped by a well–financed and brilliantly successful postwar publicity campaign”

        3. After that, in the new edition of Hitler’s War, all references to the extermination camps were removed

        4. In the early 1990s he denied the homicidal gas chamber hoax but said Jews were still “exterminated by bullets” in the East

        5. In 1996 Irving filed his libel suit, and lost the case in 2000

        6. In 2005 Irving was arrested for “Holocaust denial”

        And then started going on about how “It really happened” which is quite common after “Deniers” get out of jail, for such mysterious reasons…

        I suggest the following article:

        Talking Frankly about David Irving: A Critical Analysis of David Irving’s Statement on the Holocaust
        https://codoh.com/library/document/4061/?lang=en&page=1

      268. lloyd says: • Website

        Is Ron Unz an algorithm? His professional expertise is mathematics. An AI actually regulates the comments. He replies to me at astonishing minutes later at hours American time which are twilight hours. He appears to have adjusted his intelligent machine as he has been completely contradictory. But which is the real Ron Unz? The man who has seen the light or the usual cringing editor. In America now it is past midnight and midday where I am. So let’s see.

      269. Onebornfree says: • Website
        @Ron Unz

        R. Unz says: “One major source of confusion is that I have NEVER claimed anywhere that this is some sort of “free speech” website”

        And yet, I kid you not, on the main page, top right, there’s a blue box containing these very words:

        Support Free Thought & Free Speech” 😂🤪

        “Regards” onebornfree

        P.s. thanks so much to whomever was responsible for deleting my previous two comments in this thread. You’re doing a wonderful job of confirming my theory about this site.Congrats, and a gold ⭐️ to you, from yours truly 😜

        • Agree: Wally
        • Disagree: Brás Cubas
        • LOL: Saggy
      270. @A123

        The Jewish bible sanctions the killing of children, although it does so exclusively for Jews. Maybe the Sbarro bombing was their attempt to integrate.

        • Replies: @Onebornfree
      271. I like the star much better than the box. As long as it’s not a six sided star, that would just be too damn far.

        But don’t be surprised if it alters the recipient’s behavior. At another board I used to post on, I reached the fifty thousand post mark. The moderator pointed it out in a stickied thread and everything changed after that. A lot of trolls will target you, and many other posters will start deferring to you. I hated it, and ended up deleting my account so I could go back to posting “anonymously.”

      272. @Hail

        Thank you, Hail, an excellent round-up of the late Mr Dykstra’s honest and gently offered reflections.
        I am saddened to know of his death, but sadder still to learn the manner of it.

      273. Dube says:
        @Ron Unz

        The best service would be to tone the flow – i.e., be a moderator, and that is work. As tools, use your current practice of bold print brief advisories, which you might formulate as two or three standards that are of common sense.

        86 rowdies all good bartenders know that.

      274. @Intelligent Dasein

        Ok – that retort demands more than a simple LOL button – That was well played sir.

      275. nsa says:

        The gold frame/star boys acceptance speeches here are inadvertently hilarious…….all sounding overwhelmed and “aw shucks” humble like they just received a Nobel or Pulitzer prize, or anointment by the Pope.

        • Replies: @AnonStarter
      276. Ron Unz says:
        @geokat62

        I don’t know, Ron. Placing a yellow star on a few select people could draw the attention of your purported arch enemy, the ADL.

        LOL!! Using a gold star seemed the most innocuous thing in the world to me. But I guess I should have considered that we’re almost at a point when flashing an Okay sign gets you expelled from college and drawing a green cartoon frog gets you sent to prison…

      277. @Ozymandias

        I think we can all agree that Fire Is Hot. But if I were to post Fire Is Hot, over and over, and over and over, every single day, over and over, in every thread I read, over and over, exact same crap, over and over, any reasonable person would get tired of reading it.

        Not if films, television programs and “news” media articles constantly lectured people that “Fire is COLD”. Such repetition may well come to be regarded as welcome rebelliousness if people could be imprisoned for simply stating that fire is not at all cold and that the media is lying.

      278. geokat62 says:

        Ron, unless you’ve decided to include Fran Taubman in the Distinguished Commenters list, there may be a bug in the s/w:

        • Replies: @Ron Unz
      279. Ron Unz says:
        @geokat62

        Ron, unless you’ve decided to include Fran Taubman in the Distinguished Commenters list, there may be a bug in the s/w:

        Fixed!

      280. Giuseppe says:

        If I am in the bottom 10-15% of commenters that you would just as soon go away, I would be very willing to go away if you would be willing to delete all of my comments and retire my pseudonym. I have grown in my understanding of what a comment ought to consist of over time, I suppose initially I fell into the confrontational Twitter model without really realizing it. I would like to the opportunity to start over again without the baggage.

      281. I nominate Reg Caesar. Steve’s blog wouldn’t be the same without him.

        • Replies: @Ozymandias
      282. @nsa

        Right.

        Because any show of gratitude for being singled-out in such manner must, of a necessity, be insincere, is that it?

        I guarantee you that any of the guys currently displaying their protracted childhood would be singing a different tune if accorded the same distinction. You included.

        Seriously, I’ve seen far less pettiness from jealous women.

      283. @Lot

        ‘I resolutely do not want to learn more about Islam.

        I know from history it is consistently a source of civilization—destroying barbarism…’

        You reverse cause and effect here. You hold the belief expressed in your second sentence because of the attitude expressed in the first — not the other way around.

        • Agree: AnonStarter
        • Replies: @Talha
      284. @Rurik

        ‘What about a red box for particularly deranged commenters?

        With a warning- ‘read at your peril’

        About half the posts would have red boxes around them.

        When I scan the posts, it goes kind of like this:

        ‘loon…loon…thanks…yeah…loon…yeah…no…Zionist…loon…loon…Islamophobe…Now, I hadn’t thought of that…loon…Zionist…yeah…loon…loon…’

        Seriously. I do go along, promptly chucking about half the posts as lunacy and braking to read the ones that aren’t rehashing nonsense about the Federal Reserve or 9/11 or the Holocaust or whatever.

        • Agree: Willem
        • Troll: Ghan-buri-Ghan
        • Replies: @Daniel Chieh
      285. Desert Fox/DESERT FOX is the best commenter.

      286. Dube says:

        The elevation here corroborates the decision for serif.

      287. Talha says:
        @Colin Wright

        I’ve always found it fascinating what barbarians were capable of producing many centuries ago…by hand no less…

        Peace.

        [MORE]

        Meh – I’m pretty sure barbarian peoples all across the world likely produced similar things, so no big deal…
      288. @Nodwink

        Mr. Unz it’s your site and you may do as you wish. I’ve read the folks you have listed over time and find no wisdom or illuminating pieces of knowledge emanating from their posts that’s any better from others on this site. Furthermore, you have fallen for a standard fallacy that haunts the American Universe and is visible everyday. The anointed few shall be thrust upon the rest of us because of their expertise. They should be heard or read first. This is portrayed everyday in the media in television, print, and the internet. This assumes as you have that they have expertise in every area which they do not. By the way….an extremely high percentage of the so called “experts” that inhabit the media are Jewish which is easily shown by an elementary understanding of basic statistics. They dominate “the thought process of America” and the media link to them. They are seldom ever right. Just look at the Jewish Neocons who dominate the media! I believe you have played the same game. By “high-lighting” the so called “Chosen Few” you have already destroyed many others who may have truly enlightened writings and may not be read.

        The fact that they are “pious Muslims” as Nodwink points out is of dubious value in my estimation and may show bias on your part. Would it been okay if they were “pious Christians” or would that have been a negative? I’ll leave that for the rest of the commenters to decide. Your points on the educational level of commenters is rather simplistic. I know tons of very educated people who send out emails and comments with typing errors, and grammatical problems. People are commenting here and are not getting paid to do this therefore, they might not put the effort that you desire. The site’s comments are not a dissertation. Also, it’s much harder for many of us to use a screen to pick out errors as compared to having a printed page in your hand. I always print stuff out to really find errors and even editors I know have the same problem.

        Your idea of “pulling others up” so to speak— by reading or structuring their comments similar to the”chosen few” is beyond ludicrous. It’s like trying to teach writing by copying others and their thought processes. Sir….you are basically trying to “steer” the direction of the commenters which in itself is nothing more than a form of guided censorship. As I have said previously you are assuming these folks are knowledgeable in all areas.

        Finally Nodwink also makes a good point in what are you saving all these comments for? Why not just save the “Chosen Ones” and dump the rest? Or dump them all after 30 days? I have always been a bit suspicious of things on Unz but I do respect your effort but I had a feeling this might happen a long time ago.

        I will try to limit by comments to just a few in order to save you bandwidth and give more to the “Chosen.” Perhaps George Carlin put this much better than I could years ago:

      289. I’d buy a subscription if you had some daily news reporting and some more articles like the one on the Pamir Highway. I wouldn’t think that being mostly opinion pieces with comments is going to generate subscriptions. The old media didn’t die because of new technology. It died because it was lousy at its job.

      290. Biff says:
        @Rurik

        into the West to gorge on its tender morsels.

        And those would be?

        • Replies: @Rurik
      291. Biff says:
        @geokat62

        I don’t know, Ron. Placing a yellow star on a few select people could draw the attention of your purported arch enemy, the ADL.

        I think he is trying to draw someone else’s ire.. The bottom 10-15% that spam this site who are most likely to get a hyper emotional reaction to the idea of hallmarking other commentators and sparking a reaction of “I’ll take my ball and go home” and thus, driving them away without dealing with the dirty deed of banning posters.

        Or, I could be wrong…

        • Replies: @AnonStarter
      292. anon[747] • Disclaimer says:

        Easy fix is to put Ron’s six Golden Boys on ignore.
        Thank you Ron for pointing these goobers out. 🙂

        • LOL: Saggy
        • Replies: @Onebornfree
      293. Lot says:
        @MikeatMikedotMike

        There doesn’t have to be just one choice.

        Fortnite and similar games are free to play, but if you want your avatar to have a bigger gun or a really cool hat, you have to pay a couple dollars. Jim Christian has the right idea:

        “Flashing lights, a Neon Cactus, whaddya say?”

      294. dfordoom says: • Website
        @Daniel Rich

        Why not simply use the ‘Commneters to Ignore’ button? It works like a charm.

        That’s quite true. But most people just won’t do it. I have no idea why people go on responding to obvious trolls but they do. It’s some weird kink to human psychology.

        • Replies: @Anon
      295. Russ says:

        Heartiest congratulations to all of the Gold Stars! I observe that at least one of ’em smithed six comments per day this year at a mean 95 words per comment — just under the 600-word limit many large daily newspapers maintain for the op-eds they accept. Truly prodigious output, particularly from personnel who also self-identify as tops in their respective fields — what magnanimous altruism they exhibit by sharing such quality in such quantity … and pedantry doesn’t even begin to enter the picture.

        If memory serves, it was about a dozen years or so ago when the National Review site, with Buckley freshly in the ground (coincidentally, probably), also adopted a favored commenter policy. I’m sure the Gold Stars will fare better.

      296. @Ron Unz

        I’ve never been a supporter of banning and trashing anything.

        If you really care about freedom of speech [first amendment], think about creating a section of/on ‘Unz Review’ titled ‘PlayPen’ and use this section to park anything you and/or the various contributing writers don’t like of find offensive.

        This prevents infringement of the first amendment, as nothing is completely removed from your web site, and for those of who’re in need of an occasional giggle, we know where to go and get a dose.

        So, you’ll still be able to weed whack comments, without banning anyone or trashing anything and freedom of speech will be the ultimate and true winner.

        My 2¢.

        • Disagree: Brás Cubas
      297. Can you make the “star” commenters incidental curators by allowing visitors to filter the comments displayed so that we only see their posts and posts they give positive endorsements toward? I like the use of distinction as a reward for good behavior. Congrats to all of the star commenters!

      298. yurivku says:
        @AnonFromTN

        Congratulations! Agree with Ron Unz in that case, other winners are probably active in posts which are out of my interests. Especially nice is to see how local khohols get burned (у них подгорает/их плющит) from that.

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
      299. @Ron Unz

        Hey Ron.
        My 1st thought of the *yellow star*, after reading about it below, and then scrolling up and *seeing it* was… Uh-Oh(!)…Der Judenstern (Gelber Stern).
        Checking then your comment and replies, I see geokat62 got the same idea.
        Ron.
        You are a naughty naughty boy.
        Brilliant!
        Talkin’ about setting a pick(a blow or stroke with a pointed instrument) for the Apartheid & Defamation League.
        Thank You.
        As the old saying goes, “When the goin’ gets tough, the Tuff get goin’. “.
        Good work there.
        Regards X-

      300. Nodwink says:
        @geokat62

        The gold star means that the Excellent Commenters are now members of the Chosen People. I hope those pious Muslims enjoy going to shul!

      301. @NoseytheDuke

        That “better side of Islam” is a tactic. A disguise. The West is undergoing its current existential crisis in large part because of naivety and suicidal “niceness.” I know all I need to know about Muslims by looking at their sorry countries and at their haughty, culturally aggressive behavior here in the United States. They don’t belong here. Their values are incompatible with the values I’d like to see restored to my country. It’s way past time for everyone to go home and stop pretending they have a legitimate say or standing in the republic founded by my ancestors.

        • Agree: Lot
      302. JackOH says:
        @Sean

        Sean, yes, completely believable. The student paper at my local Podunk Tech actually interviewed faculty who had left their tenured mid-career slots because their research and publishing had been undermined by senior profs and department chairs. The #1 reason I heard half-whispered was that senior profs had a comfy featherbed in a less selective school, and simply didn’t want intellectual hard chargers messing about.

        One academic admitted outright on a Saturday morning radio program that the feminists’ claim of large, unjustified wage disparities between men and women (“72 cents on the dollar”) had never actually been studied by the academy because it was taboo to do so. He and several other academics had been hired by Uber for a study, and I sort of recall a conclusion that said men and women earned about the same when all the appropriate adjustments had been made.

        +1 also to some of the affirmative action commenters here. I sort of half-recall one horrifying comment from a guy who’d been with a defense contractor that in a short period replaced many of its senior people with AA-acceptable hirees. I checked the guy’s commenting history. Calm, analytical, and articulate, not a screamer. Ditto other commenters.

      303. Parfois1 says:
        @art guerrilla

        3) john dos passos and eye both say fuck you very much…

        Please enlighten us why John dos Passos would say that. It’s a long time since I read him but vaguely remember that he was not prone of trample grammar and good manners. Unless his “America First” is now banned by the the powers that be as heresy.

      304. @Talha

        Gaudy Islamic wall decoration is not remotely comparable to European art. It’s silly of you to try and impress anyone with such ugliness.

        • Disagree: Nodwink
      305. Onebornfree says: • Website
        @TimeTraveller

        “The Jewish bible sanctions the killing of children,”

        So does the Christian Bible, for that matter. For example :Second Kings , chapter 2 , verse 24.:

        “And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.”

        And so it goes….

        Regards,onebornfree

        • Replies: @Saggy
      306. Onebornfree says: • Website
        @anon

        anon[747] • Disclaimer says: “ Easy fix is to put Ron’s six Golden Boys on ignore.Thank you Ron for pointing these goobers out.“

        My thoughts exactly . I’d reflexively ignored them almost from the start, now I have an even better reason to so do. Ain’t life grand? 😏

        Regards,onebornfree.

      307. Erebus says:
        @Ron Unz

        I’ve now added Mark Green and Erebus.

        How does one go about having oneself subtracted from the list?

        • LOL: Biff
      308. Greg Bacon says: • Website
        @Nodwink

        YAY, MOAR MUSLIMS!

        I for one, am glad to see Muslims being given credit for their astute comments, which flies in the face of what Americans have been taught and propagandized about those of the Islamic faith: That they are all a bunch of terrorists that we have to kill over there before the come over here and kill us.
        A toxic mindset that got kicked into high gear after the Israeli master-minded 9/11 false flag.

      309. Realist says:
        @niteranger

        Carlin is absolutely right…the only thing I disagree with, is he thinks the Deep State has only existed for 30 years…it has been going on for 74 years, at least.

        The video keeps repeating…giving the feeling of deja vu.

      310. Saggy says: • Website
        @Onebornfree

        So does the Christian Bible,

        Following Guyenot and Reed the Bible has been a recent interest of mine, and actually reading the thing reveals that #1 – the Judeo/Christian god is a genocidal maniac obsessed with wiping out alien, i.e. non-Jewish, populations, “put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.” #2 – his wrath is not limited to aliens and is directed at the Jews themselves for any perceived shortcoming, “Therefore in your midst parents will eat their children, and children will eat their “, and #3 – obsessed with blood sacrifices that Jews are required to make every time they sneeze, “Take now your son, your only son, whom you love, Isaac, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I will tell you.”. What I mean is that these three obsessions are the bulk of the OT.

        This leads to the obvious conclusions that all three OT based religions are death cults, and pious Muslims, Christians, and Jews are very compromised mentally. The judgement of these people has to be less that zero, and that is coupled with a dishonesty that permeates every aspect of their being (or of course, they are just plain mindless sheep).

        • Agree: AnonFromTN, Daniel Rich
        • Replies: @Parfois1
      311. Rurik says:
        @Biff

        tender morsels.

        And those would be?

        • Troll: Dissident
      312. A123 says:
        @Ron Unz

        I think part of the problem is that the Gold Frame is much too loud and garish, and the marker should be considerably more subdued. Therefore, I just changed it to a simple star just before the Handle, which I think may be a better choice.

        Most readers will not see this thread once it exits the from website’s Home Page. Thus, they will evaluate the purpose of the mark based wholly execution not explanation.

        I concur with some of the previous posters. Whether or not you intentionally chose them that way, your initial panel of “6 Elite Posters” is well away from anything resembling ideological neutrality. It may be interesting to have Someone like AE mathematically score the bias of the “6 Elites” for objective evaluation.

        Unless you go out of your way to even up the scales in terms of ideology, this effort is likely to be perceived as a conformity mark or social credit privilege.

        PEACE 😇

        • Agree: Fran Taubman
      313. @Ron Unz

        Ron, please take note:

        Together, these half-dozen individuals have provided over 30,000 comments totaling more than 4 million words, the equivalent of 40 good-size hard-cover books. They are disproportionately foreign-born…

        This would appear to emphasize quantity over quality, if I am reading your analysis correctly. I have absolutely no reservations on the system being adopted for commentators. Each piece engenders different reactions, some hardly relevant for the subject at hand, others adding little to the gist of the appropriate piece being commented on. A small percent of posts shamelessly post ad hominem attacks and insults, perhaps corroborating your assessment on the poor state of education for many (not all) Americans.

        After reading a piece then jump to the posts, I find some of them can be very enlightening, informative and offering insights that are absent in the article under discussion. Recognition of quality may be the way to go, although highlighting outstanding commentators may be a tad subjective. In addition, perhaps up/down arrows from readers rating the posts may offer a way around that and provide additional ways to evaluating commentators’ posts.

        • Replies: @Ron Unz
      314. @yurivku

        Yes, their butthurt is the most rewarding part. Otherwise, I am not a big fan of various honorary titles. Always thought that a person having more abbreviations than just PhD or MD after his/her name has something wrong with his/her ego.

        • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
      315. Dumbo says:

        Maybe a yellow Star of David would be better?

        I think this selection of “excellent commenters” is UNZ jumping the shark.

        Perhaps distinguishing specific comments instead of commenters would be better? I’ve read interesting things posted by people who very rarely comment. On the other hand, it must be tough even for an official “gold-star” commenter to make amazing comments all the time. Anyway, all in all, not the greatest idea.

        PISCES

        • Replies: @A123
        , @Elsewhere
      316. @MikeatMikedotMike

        It’s my experience that Talha is looking for converts, as he spells out what he believes will happen to non-believers. He seems nice enough, but I agree that his place is in the Muslim world. I’m just surprised that pushing religion is not frowned upon.

      317. A123 says:
        @Dumbo

        … it must be tough even for an official “gold-star” commenter to make amazing comments all the time.

        The similarity of handles makes one wonder if Mr. Unz is confusing posters.

        One of the Elite 6 posters doesn’t make any worthwhile comments, and is actually a prolific cheap-shot artist. For example:

        https://www.unz.com/article/how-the-pro-war-left-fell-for-the-kurds-in-syria/#comment-3628392

        AnonStarter: Which is why sock-puppets such as you keep coming back for more punishment.

        PEACE 😇

        • Replies: @AnonStarter
      318. Your new commenting policy seems fine. But if your purpose, or one of them anyway, is to unclog the comment area, there is a simple and uncontroversial measure you could take, in addition to that. Your set of signalling buttons (AGREE, etc.) could be expanded so that people would not need to produce a comment for everything they would want to communicate. For example, a “THANK YOU” button would certainly reduce the number of comments. That’s all I can think of right now, but I am sure one could think of other buttons.

        • Replies: @Ron Unz
      319. Ron Unz says:
        @Erebus

        How does one go about having oneself subtracted from the list?

        It’s done. But feel free to let me know if you want it restored at any point.

      320. Ron Unz says:
        @Patricus

        Hard to fathom that Sailer gets paid for his meager contributions. I stopped looking at his blog spot long ago.

        Actually, Steve still attracts far more traffic than anyone else on this website, roughly 1/4 of the total.

        Admittedly, that’s a much smaller fraction than was the case a couple of years ago, but the cause has been the enormous growth of readership elsewhere rather than any substantial decline in Steve’s following.

        • Replies: @Talha
        , @Dube
        , @Alden
      321. @Greg Bacon

        “A toxic mindset that got kicked into high gear after the Israeli master-minded 9/11 false flag.”

        Actually, Muslim immigration to the US increased after 9/11.

      322. Ron Unz says:
        @Brás Cubas

        For example, a “THANK YOU” button would certainly reduce the number of comments. That’s all I can think of right now, but I am sure one could think of other buttons.

        Possibly. A couple of other people have sometimes suggested that and it wouldn’t be very difficult to implement, but I’ve always felt that AGREE was close enough and too many times of Reaction buttons clutters things up.

        Still, it would be interesting to see what people say.

        • Replies: @Rurik
        , @Ron Unz
        , @Kali
        , @Art
      323. @Gleimhart Mantooso

        ‘Gaudy Islamic wall decoration is not remotely comparable to European art. It’s silly of you to try and impress anyone with such ugliness.’

        You just strengthened Talha’s position.

        It takes a cretin to be an Islamophobe.

      324. @Biff

        /I think he is trying to draw someone else’s ire.. The bottom 10-15% that spam this site who are most likely to get a hyper emotional reaction to the idea of hallmarking other commentators and sparking a reaction of “I’ll take my ball and go home” and thus, driving them away without dealing with the dirty deed of banning posters.

        Or, I could be wrong…/

        Even if you were wrong, your observation is still insightful.

        The first poster to the thread joined blacks and Jews at the hip while bemoaning the presence of Muslims — a practice typical of “liberal” zionists. This was followed by a lengthy screed penned by someone who, while not overtly zionist, tends to scoff at those who use UR primarily as a platform for discussing Jewish influence. Looking back at the thread, where the Muslims were most derided, the usual suspects chimed in approvingly.

        So, however unintentional, Mr. Unz’s decision served to expose an animus fulminating just beneath the surface of apparently ambivalent posters — one that is typically, though not necessarily, zionist in origin.

        • Replies: @anon
      325. JackOH says:

        Ron, I listened to your interview, and it brought to mind that boxed feature that used to appear in either Time or Newsweek maybe twenty years ago.

        The feature had a snappy title and showed contradictory headlines in various newspapers that referred to substantially the same story:

        “Job numbers up”/”Job numbers down”/”Job numbers mixed”

        “Mideast leaders hopeful in talks”/”Mideast leaders pessimistic in talks”/Mideast leaders unsure in talks”

        “XYZ Corp. shutters plants, cuts jobs”/”XYZ Corp. expands capacity, adds jobs”.

      326. Rurik says:
        @Ron Unz

        interesting to see what people say.

        I would, for one, advocate giving it a trial run.

      327. Ron Unz says:

        Since this thread is quite active, I’ll use it to describe a few small changes I’ve now made in the Commenting display system, partly based upon a couple of recent suggestions. I hope these may improve the usability of the many threads that have large numbers of often quite long comments.

        First, at the top of each thread is a Trim Comments option. If you select it, all comments are “trimmed” to a reduced length, with “Read More” options at the bottom, intended to reduce the problem of overly-long comments occupying too much vertical space. I actually added this feature to the system a couple of years ago, but it’s possible most people are still unaware of it. Also it’s apparently been broken for a few months ago, but now fixed.

        Second, hidden comments now display any Replies or Reactions, thereby making it easier for readers to decide whether they should unhide them using the Show button. The Reply links include the usual popup windows displaying the relevant text.

        Third, the Endorsed Only toggle button at the top of each thread allows the bulk of the comments in a thread to be hidden, leaving only those having Agree/LOLs or by Notable or Followed commenters. This filter probably cuts the length of a typical thread by 60-70%, leaving it much more manageable for reading, while any of the hidden comments can be revealed using the regular Show button. This feature had been in the system for a couple of years, but implemented somewhat differently, without retaining the comment-numbers or showing the hidden comments.

        Anyway, implementing these changes was a little tricky so feel free to give me any feedback or let me know about bugs or other problems.

        • Replies: @Daniel Rich
      328. @A123

        Well, to be fair, you didn’t provide any context to that quote. Here’s “Russ3000,” the individual whose dignity you so passionately defend:

        https://www.unz.com/article/how-the-pro-war-left-fell-for-the-kurds-in-syria/#comment-3627177

        Ahhh, this is an anti-semitic website for extremist crackpots, my research tells me. I thought it was something to be taken seriously…. I understand now that you’re basically all a bit white, angry and unhinged. I mean who else would criticize the Kurds for their supposed ‘ethno-centric’ plans and demand they stay within the Syrian ‘Arab’ Republic without realising quite how silly that was?
        I just hope you guys don’t post in forums with a decent readership. Good day.

        “Russ3000” has a grand total of 3 posts, 2 submitted on 12/23 and one on Christmas Day. Such burner accounts are legion here and they’re always set up by the usual suspects. I would venture to say that a little data analysis would reveal a common node or two.

        My response:

        The readership here equals or surpasses that of The Nation and The New Republic.

        Which is why sock-puppets such as you keep coming back for more punishment.

        Not my finest contribution, admittedly, but I won’t shy away from shredding a sock-puppet every now and then, particularly one so deserving.

      329. Elsewhere says:
        @Dumbo

        Perhaps distinguishing specific comments instead of commenters would be better?

        This would definitely be better, but it takes more resources. We already have the gold box for outstanding comments, but this is seldom used, maybe because it is too loud. It would be nice to see moderators highlight more comments, if this didn’t take much extra energy during the comment approval process.

      330. Will the gold frame teacher’s pets be cyber- bullied, stuffed in lockers and given hypothetical wedgies? Or will the commentariat learn to Right Think; bowing and scraping to gain the approval of Lord Unz?

      331. Ron Unz says:
        @Justsaying

        Together, these half-dozen individuals have provided over 30,000 comments totaling more than 4 million words, the equivalent of 40 good-size hard-cover books. They are disproportionately foreign-born…

        This would appear to emphasize quantity over quality, if I am reading your analysis correctly.

        Not really. Having already produced a large quantity of comments is a necessary but not a sufficient condition for Gold Star status. As I mentioned upthread, my intent is to restrict it to only about 2-3% of our heavy commenters.

      332. Talha says:
        @Stonehands

        and given hypothetical wedgies?

        LOOOOL! That’s hilarious!

        be cyber- bullied

        Something about this notion reminds me of this scene for some reason:

        For the record, you’ve had some great comments that I can remember.

        Peace.

      333. Art says:

        An interesting article that brings up Unz.con and its place among the different internet political blogs.

        Censorship Isn’t Working: Traffic to Alt-Right Websites Continues to Rise, Surpasses Left-Wing and Alt-Con Sites

        …. …. ….

        Yet according to SimilarWebs, its traffic is now roughly equal to Unz.com, a platform that hosts Holocaust revisionists, white nationalists and anti-war materials. In August 2019, Unz even briefly surpassed Jacobin Mag.

        https://russia-insider.com/en/censorship-isnt-working-traffic-alt-right-websites-continues-rise-surpasses-left-wing-and-alt-con

      334. The Scalpel says: • Website
        @Ron Unz

        For me to rank a commenter at the highest level, I must see a certain amount of political incorrectness and/or rudeness. It is a delicate balance. Too polite or too politically correct (even in an Unzian sort of way) and one begins to doubt the “real-ness” of the commenter or wonder if they have an ulterior motive or are hired guns. Now we can wonder if they are simply pandering to get a gold star.

        Ron Unz is a good example of someone with the right amount of political incorrectness. Unfortunately, though everything he says about them is true, his gold star commenters are selected for NOT being that way. It is not to say these folks are insincere in any way, it is only to say that they have not been publicly shown to risk their reputation and status for their strongly held opinions. This is likely why someone I already followed (Erebus) opted out 🙂

      335. @Ron Unz

        Consider your legacy Ron. The author of The Great Heresiarch (or Peripatetics at Palo Alto) will learn much more about you than about your chosen from your choices [;-)]

      336. @Talha

        Magnificent. Thank you.

        • Replies: @Talha
      337. @Ron Unz

        Who amongst the chosen, btw, is the “pious Muslim” apart ftom Talha?

        It seems consistent with your interest in your commenters to suggest that some sort of difference might be found, ultimately important or not, between those whose comments are the output of working on a keyboard with a mouse before a screen which is not scrolled by the swipe of a finger and those whose product is that of one finger on a smart phone or phablet while lying with feet up or, occasionally, sitting in the New York subway or London Underground. In the end the main difference might only be in the amount of irritation caused by forgettable commenters who can be swiped past with one gesture.

        My interest in your webzine is likely yo be permanent for a number of reasons. One of them is that, after family diversions before I nearly made the sort of fortune that allowed your political career to take off I had a clear ambition to do politics by think tank – of my own. Without envy I admire your achievement and your usually astringent scepticism is the part of your approach which will hold me.

        • Replies: @Talha
      338. geokat62 says:
        @Colin Wright

        It takes a cretin to be an Islamophobe.

        Leave the Cretans out of this!

        • LOL: Talha
      339. @Stonehands

        Lord Garth!…

        Remember the good ol’ days when commenters were equal?

        • Agree: Saggy
      340. Talha says:
        @SeekerofthePresence

        Most welcome; I’m glad some others can also appreciate the aesthetics of the post Timurid-era, Persianate high-culture.

        This is probably my favorite one from that era. This one, like the other one is from the Isfahan region of Persia – and that region was often the seat of the elite of the high-culture of Persia (if I recall correctly, the Arabs used to say that the Isfahanis were the Quraysh of the Persians):
        https://gracetheglobe.wordpress.com/2013/11/18/the-sheikh-lotfollah-mosque-isfahan-iran/

        Being a Christian, you may appreciate the aesthetics of a cathedral built in that era (also in Isfahan) obviously leaning heavily on the aesthetics of the region and time:

        The founding is a bit tragic – Armenians being forcibly resettled after having been caught in the crossfire between the Safavid and Ottoman empires – but the building itself is phenomenal and a testament to their spirit of endurance.

        Peace.

      341. Anon[381] • Disclaimer says:

        Re: the following two comments by anonymous[221]: Anyone else notice that the content, style and form are all a helluva lot like Talha’s?

        https://www.unz.com/announcement/elevating-excellent-commenters/#comment-3626926
        anonymous[221] • Disclaimer says:
        December 25, 2019 at 8:12 pm GMT • 200 Words

        https://www.unz.com/announcement/elevating-excellent-commenters/#comment-3626973
        anonymous[221] • Disclaimer says:
        December 25, 2019 at 8:58 pm GMT • 100 Words

      342. @Stonehands

        I’m wondering what has you guys so twisted in knots with this announcement.

        I mean, he didn’t say he was going to banish or censor anyone for less-than-cordial, snide or officious commentary, by which we’re more than saturated here.

        Look … It’s obvious that many of you don’t care for what’s been done, with one poster disavowing his gold-star status and others pledging to block all our posts. So why not have some integrity: stick with your guns, disdain the lot of us, ignore us, call us by whatever names you please, but let Mr. Unz decide what’s best for his site.

        If you really believe that such a designation is worthless, then act like it. Otherwise, you come off as a petulant two-year-old.

        • Replies: @Saggy
        , @Stonehands
        , @niteranger
      343. @Intelligent Dasein

        Well said on all counts.

        Muslims who engage in al-taqiyya (the manipulative nature of which amounts to a good cop/bad cop dynamic) fool the foolish and unwary who fancy themselves as “open-minded” and not “rigid” in their thinking (a common pose of the Interesting Intellectual™).

        Members of the al-taqiyya branch of Islam have become the new version of the proverbial Articulate Negro™. I remain mystified by anyone who takes such people at face value—like the 8-year-old child at the park who goes off to help the nice man “find his little lost puppy,” and is never seen again until his body is found in a ditch three days later. It’s uncomely for grown men to be such an easy mark. Such naivety is a large part of the White pathology that has led to our enemies ruling over us and destroying Western Civilization. Sheesh! No wonder we’re in such deep shit.

        • Replies: @Commentator Mike
      344. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
        @AnonStarter

        So, however unintentional, Mr. Unz’s decision served to expose an animus fulminating just beneath the surface of apparently ambivalent posters — one that is typically, though not necessarily, zionist in origin.

        Very true. This thread has been quite revealing.

      345. niceland says:

        I propose rule number 5 when selecting the ‘star’ members, in mild form it could be; Commenters who have shown tendency to stay on topic.

        [MORE]

        Over the years, reading endless forum discussions, I have come to appreciate people who can separate their own personal private bubble from the discussion. Take their own ego and put it in the backseat.

        These People generally try to stay on topic and resist the urge to clutter up the conversation with:

        i) replies to personal attacks (only to defend their own ego)

        ii) replies to comments (even if directed towards them) that have nothing to do with the subject at hand

        iii) private conversations.

        iv) their own experiences, views or life stories — irrelevant to the overall discussion

        Of course there are grey areas, and it’s a balancing act.

        Given the enormous comment flow here on unz this is important.

      346. Realist says:
        @Colin Wright

        It takes a cretin to be an Islamophobe.

        Is that also true of Israeliphobes like you?

        • Replies: @Colin Wright
      347. @AnonStarter

        I was born and raised in America. From what I understand, Talha came to the states in his formative years. He’s as American as me.

        Cuz citizenship!!!

        • Replies: @Talha
        , @AnonStarter
      348. Saggy says: • Website
        @AnonStarter

        I’m wondering what has you guys so twisted in knots with this announcement.

        Are you really so dense? I’ll explain – some of us I believe feel we’re on a mission …. to right, or at least expose, the wrongs of the world before it is too late. And, speaking for 1st hand experience, we see that our moment of being able to express our opinions on the web is being seriously threatened, we’ve already been banned from most web forums, and the censorship on Google, YouTube, Amazon, Twitter, etc., is already almost total, and explicitly in the hand of the ADL, for crying out loud. So, here we are on Unz. And now Unz himself seems to be coming unhinged. First is was the finances, then is was trolls and freeloaders, and now it’s the chosen and riff-raff. We were happy as it was. We see the forum being threatened. We’re paranoid. We know who is first to go. What will Unz propose tomorrow ?

        • Replies: @AnonStarter
        , @The Scalpel
      349. Talha says:
        @Wizard of Oz

        between those whose comments are the output of working on a keyboard with a mouse before a screen which is not scrolled by the swipe of a finger and those whose product is that of one finger on a smart phone or phablet

        All of this can be tracked – it’s all in the header package of your request. He knows which version of tablet and smartphone you are using. Here is an output over some time range (device – users) for a website I help with:
        Microsoft Windows RT Tablet – 7518
        Apple iPhone – 756
        Apple iPad – 314
        Samsung SM-G950U Galaxy S8 – 41
        Samsung SM-N960U Galaxy Note9 – 31
        Samsung SM-G965U Galaxy S9+ – 27
        Samsung SM-G930V Galaxy S7 – 26
        Samsung SM-G960U Galaxy S9 – 22
        Samsung SM-G955U Galaxy S8+ – 20

        Hell, he knows the resolution of the monitor setting you are on:
        1920×1080 – 80
        1280×720 – 70
        1920×1200 – 48
        1368×912 – 36
        1536×864 – 22
        375×667 – 12
        768×1024 – 11
        1600×900 – 9
        414×736 – 9
        1680×1050 – 7

        With the javascript libraries available right now, if I was programming this, I could track when a particular comment came up to your viewscreen/monitor as you scrolled, and how long you spent on it before scrolling past.

        I’m not saying he’s doing it, I’m just saying this is what’s out there.

        Peace.

        • Replies: @Wizard of Oz
      350. Talha says:
        @Ron Unz

        Suggestion for a new columnist – and possibly video channel; that “Groyper” kid, Nick Fuentes. He might draw some young blood here. And I wouldn’t be surprised if his channel on YouTube gets shut down soon.

        Just a thought.

        Peace.

        • Agree: geokat62, Miro23
        • Replies: @Miro23
      351. Golden commissariat speak from marble thrones
        Words of silver in lofty tones–
        At their swollen feet lowly drones,
        Firestarters, who often write with the most cajones.

        • LOL: Talha, AnonStarter
        • Replies: @Ozymandias
      352. Talha says:
        @Gleimhart Mantooso

        Well, yeah – why did white people come up with such a silly rule for full political enfranchisement? Why would such a high-IQ people make this crucial error?

        OK, yeah – I know – “Da Joos”. OK – so how were Jewish elite able to ensconce themselves into such positions of political power to pull those levers. Why didn’t you guys see it coming? Is it because they are smarter than you, so they will lead you by the nose wherever they want? If so – are you admitting you are basically screwed at this point?

        “Gen. David Goldfein to Be Second Jewish U.S. Air Force Chief. The battle-tested pilot participated in operations in Iraq and the Balkans and is well known to Israeli officers.”
        https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/americas/.premium-gen-david-goldfein-to-be-second-jewish-u-s-air-force-chief-1.5376412

        And if it isn’t the Jews’ fault – cool – so why did white people not see this demographic freight train coming?

        How do you exactly square this circle. I mean, I know you say the Muslim world is a massive diaper pail. Fine, but we’re inbred retards, remember? So that’s a given – that’s just our fault for being born to the wrong mothers – oops – can’t really do anything about it.

        What’s your excuse, homie?

        Peace.

      353. Don’t underestimate the free expression that has gained this site its popularity. I migrated here because taki killed its comment section.

      354. @Gleimhart Mantooso

        No, not merely because of the formality of citizenship.

        I’ve been around a lot of Muslims in my time and Talha appears just as assimilated as many of the brothers I’ve met, whose assimilation never required compromise of their faith.

        Granted, if your idea of being American is pounding back a case of beer, hand tucked in shorts and NASCAR on the flat screen, we’re probably not on the same page.

      355. @Colin Wright

        “You just strengthened Talha’s position.”

        So anytime one disagrees with another’s opinion it strengthens the latter’s position? Sound logic. Oh wait, you’re the one who worships Ilhan Omar. Nevermind, carry on.

        “It takes a cretin to be an Islamophobe.”

        Anyone who attaches the term “phobe” or “phobia” to the end of a word in order to award themselves some bit of Freudian moral superiority is the biggest sort of cretin around. You should be writing for the New York Times with woke speak like that.

        • Troll: Colin Wright
      356. @Saggy

        /We’re paranoid./

        There’s your problem in a nutshell.

        The forum is not “threatened.” The site owner obviously wants to improve the level of discourse.

        But it’s optional. He’s not twisting anyone’s arm to be more civil; he’s merely rewarding what he perceives to be good conduct and high quality contribution.

        This is not one of the sites you list, nor will it be. Stay cool, maintain yourself, and everything will be just fine.

        Dig?

        • Replies: @Saggy
      357. @Rurik

        “I don’t begrudge the POC or anyone else”

        I agree with your points on the traitors within our own culture and country. They sold us out to enrich themselves. I can’t agree with dismissing any agency or responsibility from the takers of advantage. To absolve them of responsibility or agency actually somewhat dehumanizes them, or at least infantizes them. They all have choices, and many of the invaders know exactly what they are doing.

        Blacks today know that they can commit many crimes with impunity. Are they then fools not to commit crimes? Or does their knowledge actually make them worse than the ignorant?

      358. @Realist

        ‘Is that also true of Israeliphobes like you?’

        Actually, it’s been my experience that Zionists — that is to say, Israel lovers — are less intelligent than average.

        At any rate, while I’ve certainly encountered several Jews who were impressively intelligent, none of them were Zionists.

        • Replies: @Realist
      359. @SeekerofthePresence

        Okay, credit where credit is due; that was much better.

        • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
      360. geokat62 says:
        @AnonStarter

        Granted, if your idea of being American is pounding back a case of beer, hand tucked in shorts and NASCAR on the flat screen, we’re probably not on the same page.

        This is the most critical question of our times, isn’t it?

        What are the key ingredients that go into making a nation? The prevailing view, pushed by Jewish Supremacist Organizations (JSOs) – for Western nations only I might add – is that these nations are “propositional” in nature, while all non-Western nations are more than this. I’ll let Charlie Kuck explain what constitutes a propositional nation:

        I have loyalty to ideas. Of course I love the Grand Canyon. I love the Rocky Mountains. And I love Boston. And I love Chicago. But if all that disappeared, if all I had was ideas, and we were on an island, that’s America. That’s Israel. And that’s what people have to realize. America’s just a placeholder for timeless ideas. And if you fall too in love with, oh, the specific place, and all this…that’s not what it is. Israel would be the exception. There is a holy connection to this land.

        https://spectator.us/charlie-kirk-abandons-america-first/

        So, according to Charlie Kuck, all it takes to be an American is a passport. This definition of a nation is referred to as civic nationalism.

        Now, for Israel and ALL other non-Western counties, the key ingredients that go into making a nation are three key things the people have in common: language, religion, and heritage. This definition of a nation is generally referred to as the ethno-nationalism.

        This used to be the generally accepted definition of what constitutes a nation, before JSOs starting pumping their cultural Marxist poison into the West’s bloodstream.

        The next few decades will be a battle among Western peoples over which of these two definitions of a nation should prevail.

        As the Chinese curse goes, these will be interesting times we live in!

        • Agree: Saggy
        • Replies: @AnonStarter
        , @anon
      361. @MikeatMikedotMike

        ‘…“It takes a cretin to be an Islamophobe.”

        ‘Anyone who attaches the term “phobe” or “phobia” to the end of a word in order to award themselves some bit of Freudian moral superiority is the biggest sort of cretin around. You should be writing for the New York Times with woke speak like that.’

        Alright. I’ll say it takes a cretin to simply be bigoted against Islam in its entirety.

        All better now?

        • Replies: @MikeatMikedotMike
      362. Does anyone know what the word assimilate even means? If you keep a foreign religion, believe that non-believers are doomed, and believe that you have a duty to convert others, you are nowhere near assimilated.

        • Agree: Brás Cubas
        • Replies: @anon
      363. Liza says:
        @Talha

        For the record; one daughter and three sons – by the grace of God

        I guess you are quite a guy, Talha. So very many men cannot produce sons anymore. Everywhere and anywhere I go in Amerika, all I see are adults with young daughters. Endless female children, from babies to teens in age. I personally know a few couples who kept trying and trying for a boy, to the point where they had 7, 8 or 9 daughters. Something wrong with Amerikan men. This doesn’t make you right about everything you think and believe, mind you, only that biologically you are probably a better specimen.

        Men used to blame their wives when they kept birthing girls, even divorcing them, not realizing that they themselves were the ones responsible. It took (apparently effete) white men to explain these matters to the world. That is the white race’s contribution: explaining the world to itself, as someone once put it. And look at the **** we get in return.

        • Replies: @Skeptikal
        , @Talha
      364. Miro23 says:
        @Talha

        Agree 100%

        “You get the most flack when you’re over the target”

      365. @Greg Bacon

        That they are all a bunch of terrorists that we have to kill over there before the come over here and kill us.

        Groan. That is the most overused straw-man regarding the civilization-destroying Muslim invasion of White homelands.

      366. Skeptikal says:
        @niteranger

        There is no doubt that the “gold star” system actually distorts the message and adds a distraction—not just visual clutter but also mental clutter. The star acts like a filter.

        It is reminiscent of Amazon’s bringing up to the top the “best” or most representative reviews. As decided by an algorithm, I assume.

        I would omit this kind of intrusive editorializing and let readers make up their own minds as to the value of the comment.

        • Agree: Saggy, Dissident
      367. Parfois1 says:
        @Wally

        – Among the many Revisionist comments and take downs here of those who try to defend the truly impossible “holocaust” story, we see Unz hanging back on sidelines, yet he comments readily on other topics. One would think that after his own work he would be more engaged. Hmm.

        Dear Wally (and I mean it because I respect your right to cling to your beliefs and because you raise fundamental doubts about issues of great importance for our understanding of history and the shaping of our worldviews. It’s the single-minded repetitiveness that grates many commenters, myself included. Oops! What am I saying? Must be left-overs of the Christmas spirit talking…)

        Now, there is nothing wrong with our host’s suspended belief or backtracking about your pet-subject. Our minds are, supposedly, if you are lucky to have a “working” brain, actively re-adjusting our fundamental principles and ideological make-up according to new inputs and reasoning. If one takes an inflexible position on anything – even the most glaring scientific truth – then what’s the point of having a thinking brain if the autonomic nervous system can operate on its own the body’s physiological functions?

        If one takes an uncompromising and dogmatic position on anything, the result is a barren mind where nothing will grow. Even I, dubbed here as a “confirmed Stalinist” (whatever that means!), have on numerous occasions changed and expanded my understanding of the world to accommodate certain new “revelations” that managed to get past the ideological filters . What is immutable is the rock-solid allegiance and loyalty to the “human cause” for justice because I experienced in my bones and soul the suffering brought about by hardship and oppression, the ingredients that make a man a revolutionary.

        Others, perhaps the many here, take a position from an intellectual exercise about the “nature of man” or the “human condition” as abstractions from the real world of the senses and personal experiences. Although the motivation may spring from an injustice (say, Lenin’s reaction to the execution of his brother) ultimately it came down to rationalizations about the nature of the state and its role in the conduct of human affairs, that is, a conceptual and abstract construct to justify the justice of a cause where none was necessary.

        In that sense, Stalin was the genuine unmitigated revolutionary who shunned the intellectual divagations as otiose accoutrements. Injustice was real, cauterized in his brain and flowed in his blood from the days of hunger in his childhood, seminarian brutal discipline and many years spent in the Arctic gulag. He carried that immutable faith that a state based on injustice must be demolished and, in the fulness of time, withered away, to the acclamation of Onebornfree’s soul!

        • Replies: @Saggy
      368. Skeptikal says:
        @Liza

        More sex = fewer male infants.
        Then a few of the few who scrape by and win the fertilization battle also die off.

        • Agree: Liza
      369. The Scalpel says: • Website
        @Saggy

        first they came for the trolls…..

      370. @Rurik

        Having a good breakfast is a great way to start the day!

        • Replies: @Rurik
      371. Saggy says: • Website
        @Talha

        OK, yeah – I know – “Da Joos”. OK – so how were Jewish elite able to ensconce themselves into such positions of political power to pull those levers.

        Wow, this gold star thing is really twisted. It is truly bizarre to see an Arab, Muslim, whatever you are, kissing up to the Jews. Here is the thing …. the Israelis, i.e. the Jews, along with the US military, are destroying Arab countries in the ME. Libya, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Iran, turning them into killing fields, and here you are kowtowing to the Jews. And you’re presenting yourself as a ‘good American’. Where in hell is you pride? You sense of loyalty to your own people, your own religion, your own home country?

        Why don’t you give a damn about the Palestinians. Why doesn’t it bother you that Da Joos are shooting children in the street? Really, the Arabs do a hell of a lot to earn their bad reputation. Those are your brethren in the crosshairs …

        • Replies: @Talha
      372. Saggy says: • Website
        @Parfois1

        If one takes an uncompromising and dogmatic position on anything,

        What complete idiocy ! It is because of people like you who pontificate on a subject about which they know nothing that it is necessary to say it over and over. It did not happen …. I’ll spell it out ….

        The holocaust is a preposterous hoax that is unsupported by any physical evidence. It is made up of literally millions of lies, but it all rests on one ‘big lie’.

        The hoax has three main components –
        1. The Nazis planned to exterminate the Jews.
        2. The Nazis built gas chambers to exterminate the Jews and disguised them as shower rooms.
        3. The Nazis killed six million Jews.

        Each component of the hoax is categorically false and completely without evidence. There was no Nazi plan to exterminate the Jews or anyone else, and no evidence of one has ever been found. The gas chambers disguised as shower rooms are pure phantasmagoria, and there is not a shred of physical evidence for them. The number of Jews killed in the camps for being Jews is zero, and it is well documented that the Nazis aggressively investigated any crime in the camps.

        That is the hoax, and the reality

        The big lie is the photos and film footage that are shown of Jewish prisoners who had been gassed by the Nazis. The truth is that all the photos and film were taken after the war by British and US soldiers, and showed prisoners of all nationalities and religions who had died of typhus at the very last weeks of the war, primarily at Belsen where 35,000 died, 10,000 after the camp had been liberated by the British. Further, the Nazis had done everything in their power to combat the epidemic.

        The above is documented in this vid … wake up ! …..
        https://www.bitchute.com/video/Ul72dV4SbAoh/

      373. @Ozymandias

        Thank you. Maybe there is hope for us hackers.

      374. @Colin Wright

        So one is a cretin if they are a bigot in general? Or only a cretin is they are a bigot towards Islam?

        Is bigotry against Islam worse than negro bigotry against whites? How about Puerto Rican bigotry towards Mexicans and reverse?

        Are you claiming to not be a bigot towards any groups at all? Are you merely a perfect universalist or is your own bigotry justified? If so, how so?

        Help me wrap my head around this notion being presented that Islam is so special that it deserves extra non-bigotry recognition as compared to other cults or creeds. Because its reminding me quite a bit of all those strong independent tough women who need to be protected from mean words through state enforced censorship.

      375. @Talha

        Wow! Though no doubt there is also software to defeat such detection???

        However you, with that information, and I with my suggestion support the view that Ron might like to see whether there are any systematic differences detectable between the commentors who use a one fingrer easy-swipe medium and those who use a computer. Of course I’m not sure what he should do with the information though I can think of possibilities.

        One consequence of Ron’s newly disciplined bracing régime is that it must tend to reduce commenters’ ability to use his threads for a civil – or cantankerous – conversation and also to elucidate something previouly misundertood if one finds several replies to ine’s comments that show that they have been misunderstood. Should one then not bother with those which show misunderstandung because of laziness or stupidity???

        After a couple of casual replies to replies in recent days I was attempting to clarify something in another reply. As I got the too many comments warning and didn’t want to save up the comment for later sending I used mobile data, Anon, and a different email ID to make my short comment. To my surprise it didn’t appear at all and there was no warning message. It is possible I suppose that I failed to send but I wonder. No doubt my niipicking is very irritating whether correct or in error 🙂

        • Replies: @Talha
      376. Anon[555] • Disclaimer says:
        @AnonFromTN

        They are miracles, there can’t be evidence for them because they are miracles.

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
      377. Anon[555] • Disclaimer says:
        @Ron Unz

        What about something in the middle between the gold frane and the star? The star is a bit hard to notice.

      378. Art says:
        @Talha

        Well, yeah – why did white people come up with such a silly rule for full political enfranchisement?

        Hi Talha,

        “full political enfranchisement” for all, is a winning idea. In Christianity, life is sacred – all life. You seem to think that Jew control will go on forever. The Jews are lying to everyone all the time. As a result, culture is starting to go wrong. Their brilliant ideas are leading to chaos. (Hmm – not to smart.)

        What goes up – goes down. That is the cycle of human affairs. Jews are starting to be physically attacked in NYC. There will be a major clamp down – making things even worse – then more and more clamp downs – leading to what?

        Let us hope that Christianity will find a peaceful solution.

        Think Peace — Do No Harm — Art

        p.s. As the Jews attack Christian culture, they are destroying the very bedrock that allows their advancement.

        • Replies: @Talha
      379. @AnonStarter

        Integration is better than nothing, but the plain issue is that neither he nor you belong in my homeland. You have your own homelands; stay out of mine.

        Granted, if your idea of being American is pounding back a case of beer, hand tucked in shorts and NASCAR on the flat screen, we’re probably not on the same page.

        Oh yes, yes, you’ve exhausted the alternatives. That is precisely my idea of being American. How did you know? (Cheap. Same tactic a left-winger would employ. You’re in great company!)

        • Replies: @AnonStarter
      380. ‘So one is a cretin if they are a bigot in general? Or only a cretin is they are a bigot towards Islam?

        Is bigotry against Islam worse than negro bigotry against whites? How about Puerto Rican bigotry towards Mexicans and reverse?

        You’re mixing apples and oranges. Islam is a religion. So equate Islamophobia to hostility towards other faiths and their practitioners.

        Would you feel it was reasonable to condemn all Christians? How about Jews? If you attack Jews, will you get upset if I object? Parenthetically, this happens quite a bit. Other people make some sweepingly anti-semitic statement, I disagree to some extent, and they insist on their position — but there’s not any sense of offense on their part.

        But I have noticed is that Islamophobes invariably seem to get upset if anyone questions the perfect justice of their bigotry. That can be true of other forms of bias — but not to the same extent.

        You’all get really butthurt if anyone says you’re bigots. Why is that?

      381. @Erebus

        How does one go about having oneself subtracted from the list?

        My deepest respect, good sir.

        To compress my thoughts into a single and simplistic word: wow!

        I can only bestow a moral badge of honor upon you, but you more than deserve one.

      382. Parfois1 says:
        @Saggy

        In my understanding, there are distinct versions of Christianity, the only common route being inspired in Christ’s rebellion against Judaism and its fundamental doctrine prescribed by the Old Testament. Therefore, it follows that Christianity should be a rejection of the OT.

        I was brought up in a strongly Catholic country and attended religious schools. I can attest that the OT was almost ignored, apart from the odd story of the Creation and occasional reference to Sodom and Gomorrah, the Deluge and other similar cataclysmic events as suitable background fillers. As a doctrine, the OT went missing.

        The “Judeo-Christian” merger is a Jewish invention, the reason being obvious.

      383. @Ron Unz

        Can you build an automated “MORE” function into the ‘Body of Comment’ section, that, when published, only shows the first 2 paragraphs or a set number of words, so, if it is [or appears to be] interesting, ‘we’ can click on it and continue reading?

        Certain UNZ forum members are in my personal [and invisible] ‘Favorites List’ and I don’t need any stars to find them [I go by instinct].

        It will thin out a lot of extra scrolling, imo.

      384. @Desert Fox

        All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others – George Orwell

        Bus driver [not Chuck], “Listen people, you’re all green to me. Each and every last one of you. Now, I want the dark green ones to sit in the back and the light greens to sit in the font.”

        • Replies: @Desert Fox
      385. @Art

        “My estimation of the ISteve HBD commenters – is KKK in loafers.”

        Did you mean that as a criticism, or as a compliment?

        • Replies: @Art
      386. @Talha

        Not opinion; fact. But I don’t fault you for not understanding an element of human creativity for which you’re not genetically suited. (And don’t make me post pictures of the Sistine Chapel to compare side-by-side with your low-grade mosaic wall decorations.)

        [MORE]

        Who are the middle eastern/muslim equivalents to Vermeer, Rembrandt, DaVinci, Michelangelo, Matisse, Monet, Degas, etc?

        Who are the middle-eastern/muslim equivalents to Palestrina, Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Schubert, Wagner, Tchaikovsky, Debussy, Stravinsky, etc.?

        Who are the middle-eastern/muslim equivalents to Galileo, Newton, Copernicus, Kepler, Janssen & Lippershey, Heisenberg, Pasteur, Helmholtz, Tesla, Edison, Wright Brothers, etc.?

        Who are the middle-eastern/muslim equivalents to Homer, Virgil, Shakespeare, Aristotle, Dostoyevsky, Poe, Dickens, Twain, etc.?

        Where is your Roman Colosseum, your Pantheon, your Panama canal, your cathedrals, your music and musical instruments, your poetry and literature, your medicine, your circumnavigation of the oceans, your moon landing, your civilizational accomplishments. (Were you kangz, too, like the blacks?)

        Oh heck, why am I even listing some of the Allstars of human accomplishment? That’s not fair, since there isn’t even a middle-eastern/muslim equivalent for the second and third tier creatives of Western Civilization.

        Everything good in your life, you have because of White men, Western Civilization, and authentic Christianity.

        • Replies: @Talha
      387. @Talha

        Well, yeah – why did white people come up with such a silly rule for full political enfranchisement? Why would such a high-IQ people make this crucial error?

        Whites did no such thing. Loaded question fallacy. And we’re not going to play the game where a foreigner pretends to know more about my heritage and civilizational foundations than I do.

        OK, yeah – I know – “Da Joos”……etc.

        Strawman fallacy + lame attempt at gaslighting. Cheap, and dishonest as hell.

        …so why did white people not see this demographic freight train coming?

        White people DID see it coming, but for the time being we are under the reprimand of God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.

        From here on out try to remember that White men do not owe foreigners any justification for why they don’t belong in our homelands, since that would be presumptuous in the extreme.

        • Replies: @Talha
      388. @geokat62

        I greatly appreciate this comment.

        If we return to the formation of the American republic, we find that there was considerable debate over a religious requirement for citizenship. More than a few anti-federalists wanted to limit the parameters to include only Protestants. Be that as it may, the federalist vision prevailed: no individual would be subject to a religious test in order to procure citizenship.

        That has been characteristic of the American republic since its inception. While there may have been a preponderance of white, Anglo-Saxon Protestants at that time, Jefferson and others still envisioned the potential of a polyethnic, multi-religious polity. It’s evident in the federalist debates.

        We have to bear this in mind when comparing America to other polities in which there is greater homogeneity of language, ethnicity and religious culture. That said, in America, it’s still entirely possible for a religiously, linguistically, and ethnically homogeneous community to legally command an entire municipality. Try a web search for the town of Kiryat Joel, New York. The anti-zionist Satmar Jews who have taken control of it are still fighting some legal battles, but they never give in. Not an inch.

        A hamlet, village or township commanded and dominated by a white, English-speaking, Protestant religious order established as a non-profit organization is entirely within the realm of possibility.

        Ben Franklin told us we have a republic if we can keep it. The fight isn’t easy. It’s not for the faint of heart.

        But it’s there for the taking. You just have to want it badly enough.

      389. Ron Unz says:
        @Daniel Rich

        Can you build an automated “MORE” function into the ‘Body of Comment’ section, that, when published, only shows the first 2 paragraphs or a set number of words, so, if it is [or appears to be] interesting, ‘we’ can click on it and continue reading?…It will thin out a lot of extra scrolling, imo.

        Actually, that sort of feature has been in the system for the last couple of years, though as I mentioned upthread, I doubt too many people are aware of it.

        At the top of each comment thread is a selection field called “Trim Comments?” which defaults to No but can be set to Short or Long. The latter options automatically insert a MORE into longer comments, which can then be clicked to display the full text.

        • Replies: @Daniel Rich
        , @NoseytheDuke
      390. Well folks, it felt great getting a pat on the head and an Atta Boy.

        Boosting someone’s confidence is a management skill and technique intended, I guess, to motivate toward greater effort.
        Think of Ron as more than the creator and tweaker-of-software and the muscle behind an online aggregator: he’s a publisher-producer-editor-coach; his task is to push writers on his forum, both authors of articles and the commentariat, to keep trying harder and harder to produce good work: remember, he retains rights to that work! Competition is one means of raising the standards.

        A manager doesn’t necessarily give the gold star to the best — maybe it’s more effective to encourage middling talent to try harder. (Not in any way intended to reflect on the other 6 Goldies, merely recording that this particular hombre “knows his limitations.”)

        The star or the box or whatever — that’s actually kind of embarrassing. But the acknowledgment is appreciated.

        • Agree: The Scalpel
      391. @Colin Wright

        You just strengthened Talha’s position.

        Uh huh.

        It takes a cretin to be an Islamophobe.

        I will take your word for that, as I have no evidence as to why that would be.

      392. @Parfois1

        An ancient tradition of Christianity, Eastern Orthodoxy, weaves together Old and New Testaments in its Sunday divine liturgy. The OT contains scores of prophecies which foretell Christ and explain His meaning and glory. These passages become hymns in Sunday and Feastday worship, complementing the NT hymns. For Orthodox Christians OT and NT are harmony and fulfillment. As Jesus said in the Beatitudes,

        “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.” Matt. 5:17 NKJV

        • Agree: Saggy
      393. @Gleimhart Mantooso

        Hey, buddy, I’m a born and raised American. This is my homeland and I’m not going anywhere.

        As for your idea of “being American,” I think I get the gist of it. Nothing to do with the First Amendment, obviously.

        • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
      394. @Anonymous

        One of your commenters — maybe Jenner-chan — once said that you hadn’t arrived as a commenter on the Unz Review until you had been banned by Razib Khan, called a nitwit by Ron Unz and received a gold box from Steve Sailer.

        ’Twasn’t me, but I remember that comment. Good stuff.

      395. @Daniel Rich

        Strongly disagree. Ron’s “Trim Comments?” options are sufficient. Perhaps he can add a “First line only” or “Hide all” option for comment readers who don’t want to waste time reading comments.

        Commenter-only choice of the MORE tag is appropriate. Having possible unwanted/nested MORE tags due to always-on software automation would be clunky and would distort the commenter’s intended presentation.

        [MORE]
        • Replies: @Daniel Rich
      396. @Anon

        If I tried this line in a scientific paper, the editor would recommend immediate institutionalization and intensive treatment (haloperidol and quite a few other things).

        • Agree: NoseytheDuke
      397. FB says: • Website
        @Erebus

        Good call E…

        • Agree: The Scalpel
      398. @AnonStarter

        Hey, buddy, I’m a born and raised American. This is my homeland and I’m not going anywhere.

        It sure is fun to pretend.

        As for your idea of “being American,” I think I get the gist of it. Nothing to do with the First Amendment, obviously.

        Americans existed well before the Constitution. Moreover, the Constitution was itself written by my people, for my people. You haven’t the intellectual, moral, racial, cultural, or moral authority to talk to me about the foundations of my White Christian Homeland.

        • Troll: AnonStarter
      399. geokat62 says:
        @AnonStarter

        While there may have been a preponderance of white, Anglo-Saxon Protestants at that time, Jefferson and others still envisioned the potential of a polyethnic, multi-religious polity. It’s evident in the federalist debates.

        If the framers did indeed “envision the potential of polyethnic, multi-religious polity,” they were definitely not thinking of the multi-culti dystopia we’re living in today. And this is backed up by the Naturalization Act of 1790, which provided the first rules for the granting of national citizenship.

        This law:

        … limited naturalization to immigrants who were “free white person[s] … of good character”

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

        We have to bear this in mind when comparing America to other polities in which there is greater homogeneity of language, ethnicity and religious culture.

        Up until 1965, America had a great deal of homogeneity of language (English), ethnicity (European) and religious culture (Christian). It wasn’t until the passage of Hart-Celler that the wheels came off the proverbial car. And we all know which special interest group played the central role in getting that piece of non-restrictionist legislation passed, don’t we? The American people were never asked if they supported this legislation and if they were asked they would have rejected it. As a result, this legislation should be repealed immediately.

        A hamlet, village or township commanded and dominated by a white, English-speaking, Protestant religious order established as a non-profit organization is entirely within the realm of possibility.

        Why not a region of the country? This is the policy put forward by Jared Taylor of American Renaissance.

        Ben Franklin told us we have a republic if we can keep it.

        The form of government isn’t as important as retaining the integrity of one’s homeland. Once the demographic issue is addressed, restoring the republican form of government can be next on the agenda.

        But it’s there for the taking. You just have to want it badly enough.

        Agreed.

        • Agree: Daniel Rich
        • Replies: @AnonStarter
      400. Talha says:
        @Gleimhart Mantooso

        Whites did no such thing.

        Then why was my father able to move our family here completely legally by applying at the US embassy in Karachi? We didn’t just magically float in.

        White people DID see it coming, but for the time being we are under the reprimand of God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.

        OK, excellent – this is getting somewhere – this makes sense; whites are being punished for turning your backs on God. That seems fairly straightforward. I mean, Christians are bleeding hard to atheism – more than any other group:

        And most of those (from my experience and from what I’ve read by men like Olivier Roy) are white people.

        If some whites have no need for God, He certainly has no need for them – of course, they’ll come out on the losing end of that equation.

        try to remember that White men do not owe foreigners any justification for why they don’t belong in our homelands

        Absolutely correct. You owe someone like me zero explanations. Nor do I ask for justification, that’s not what I was asking for. I was asking why such high-IQ folks are in the predicament they currently are and for what strange reason do they dislike having children? Bizarre – to say the least.

        I was born in the briar patch, I have no problem being tossed back – other than a bit of inconvenience:

        It’s mostly the SJW and materialist-minded Muslims that will have the biggest shock and complain the most.

        So…I believe we both can agree you have to prove to God why He shouldn’t give the land to someone else in your stead.

        So there is your game plan; convince your people (starting with your families) to turn back to God in humility and He will fulfill His promise to you:
        “God has promised, to those among you who believe and work righteous deeds, that He will, of a surety, grant them in the land, inheritance (of power), as He granted it to those before them; that He will establish, in authority, their religion – thee one which He has chosen for them; and that He will change (their state), after the fear in which they (lived), to one of security and peace: ‘They will worship Me (alone) and not associate none with Me.’ Whoever is ungrateful after this, these it is who are the transgressors.” (24:55)

        Certainly nothing that your previous generations couldn’t accomplish. Let’s make it happen, folks!

        Peace.

      401. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
        @geokat62

        Now, for Israel and ALL other non-Western counties, the key ingredients that go into making a nation are three key things the people have in common: language, religion, and heritage.

        Well then, India is out of luck, lol, since way before Jewish orgs. and Marx. Not to mention all of Latin America. Or Nigeria. Etc., etc. Better get busy with your Balkanizing. (They’re giving it the college try in Syria.)

        • Replies: @geokat62
      402. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
        @OilcanFloyd

        Indeed. Beware those Mormons!

        • Replies: @Brás Cubas
        , @OilcanFloyd
      403. @Colin Wright

        But I have noticed is that Islamophobes invariably seem to get upset if anyone questions the perfect justice of their bigotry.

        I’m not offended at you calling me an “Islamophobe.” I’m simply annoyed by your lack of originality in doing so.

        As for being a “bigot,” well, we all are. There are some people I don’t like, and there are some people you don’t like. Stop the unwarranted sanctimony. You’re not above the fray; you’re below it.

        And if it helps you to make sense of things a little better, I do not care what you think of me or say about me. You hold no sway.

      404. Art says:
        @Nicholas Stix

        “My estimation of the ISteve HBD commenters – is KKK in loafers.”

        Did you mean that as a criticism, or as a compliment?

        It was not a compliment.

        Red necks pumping up their egos saying blacks are inferior is one thing.

        Pseudo-intellectual college graduates spending their time dumping on black folks – is far lower.

        Good people do not tell other people to their face, that they are inferior – period!

        There are quite a few well-educated commenters on ISteve who hide there KKK feelings behind HBD.

        • Agree: Iris, utu
      405. Talha says:
        @Gleimhart Mantooso

        Not opinion; fact.

        No – it’s opinion posited as fact.

        That’s not fair, since there isn’t even a middle-eastern/muslim equivalent for the second and third tier creatives of Western Civilization.

        OK – so, as far as you’re concerned, Muslims never made it past fourth-tier civilization. No problems here. I certainly have no issue with this.

        Everything good in your life, you have because of White men, Western Civilization, and authentic Christianity.

        No, we have it because of God. Without European influence, we would still have fourth-tier civilization even if we regressed completely back to the 15th century. Just not one that meets your standards.

        But, if one doesn’t care to win that competition, then it simply doesn’t matter.

        And yet, with all this magnificent material accomplishments…your churches are empty and being destroyed:

        Or bought out by Muslims because we are outgrowing our mosques:

        The mosque I used to attend was a former church built in the 50’s. The local Bosnian community recently bought out a very large, beautiful one.

        Peace.

        • Replies: @Gleimhart Mantooso
      406. Talha says:
        @Art

        “full political enfranchisement” for all, is a winning idea.

        Certainly sounds nice on paper.

        What goes up – goes down. That is the cycle of human affairs.

        Indeed.

        Let us hope that Christianity will find a peaceful solution.

        I 100% hope and pray that cooler heads will prevail and a peaceful resolution comes about, my friend.

        Peace.

      407. @Gleimhart Mantooso

        It’s the “If they could build domes, they get to migrate to our homes” immigration policy.

        • Agree: Gleimhart Mantooso
      408. geokat62 says:
        @anon

        Well then, India is out of luck, lol

        I hear nationalism is making a huge resurgence in India, lol Are you speaking as a Hindutva? If you are, I guess like most Indians you support Modi’s recent restrictions against Muslims?

      409. Talha says:
        @Wizard of Oz

        Should one then not bother with those which show misunderstandung because of laziness or stupidity???

        Possibly. But part of it is about image as well.

        Look, if you have a retail store called “Wizard of Oz”, I’m guessing you want people to use the restroom in the back and not piss all over the merchandise in the window display. Why? Because of others that may be interested in coming in. There is a balance to be had; you don’t want to be too restrictive, nor do you want to give out the impression that your users just walked into an insane asylum.

        How that balance is to be determined is certainly subjective, which is why this is called “UNZ Review”.

        Peace.

      410. Talha says:
        @Saggy

        kissing up to the Jews.

        I’m not kissing up to the Jews. I just think it is a stupid strategy to constantly blame others without doing any self introspection. It’s cheap and lazy and a cop-out for taking any responsibility. It’s what losers do; winners get up, dust themselves off and learn from their mistakes and try again.

        Why don’t you give a damn about the Palestinians.

        I absolutely do.

        I already told you (on the other thread) that the Muslim world could solve the problem of Israel as of tomorrow IF it got its act together. Until we do and until we recognize that we ought to be unified, nothing of substance is going to happen because they will play divide and conquer with us and turn our cities into mini-Stalingrads. That’s on us to fix – we can’t blame Zionists for our own disunity and stupidity.

        It’s like when the Great Khan’s armies rolled through the Muslim world:

        Israel is a monument to our iniquity.

        Peace.

        • LOL: Iris
        • Replies: @Saggy
        , @Saggy
      411. geokat62 says:
        @Talha

        Whites did no such thing.

        Then why was my father able to move our family here completely legally by applying at the US embassy in Karachi? We didn’t just magically float in.

        My presumption is that your father moved your family to America after 1965. If this is correct, Talha, then you don’t have whites to thank. You can thank Jewish Supremacist Organizations (JSOs) that pushed hard to rescind Johnson-Reed (1924 restrictionist immigration act). Because as this popular song clarifies, Jews don’t identify as white. For them it’s Jews versus goys.

        • Replies: @Talha
      412. Dube says:
        @Ron Unz

        After some heavy work in the main section I like to skip over to Steve’s for the fun of it.

        • Agree: Brás Cubas
      413. Half-Jap says:
        @Talha

        You are an easy pick, for the light shines through your statements.
        Congratulations!

        • Replies: @Talha
      414. Talha says:
        @Liza

        Endless female children, from babies to teens in age.

        Hmmm…I never really paid attention to this, I will more now. I would love to see a break down by statistics of sex ratio by ethnicity if you have one.

        only that biologically you are probably a better specimen.

        No clue. I would have been quite happy with daughters. I didn’t choose the womb that bore me (I could have been Chinese or African or European, etc.), but I am so grateful that God chose the noble womb of my honorable mother.

        Now that you mention it, it is a curious thing; my family is pretty top heavy with boys. Many of my cousins have just all boys (like two or three). My brother also has one daughter (they had another, but she died at birth) and three boys. I mean, it certainly doesn’t hurt, since we trace our lineage via paritlineage – we are blessed and grateful for all of our kids – mashaAllah.

        That is the white race’s contribution: explaining the world to itself, as someone once put it.

        Very interesting. I would agree quite a bit.

        And look at the **** we get in return.

        Yeah, I’m pretty sick of “get whitey” woke culture and how they are basically the only people it is OK to publicly mock or (far worse) call for the elimination of. If it’s not OK to do to others, it shouldn’t be OK to do to whites – fairly straightforward.

        Peace.

        • Replies: @Liza
      415. @Talha

        Ugh. A chart I’m not going to study. A video I’m not going to watch. And a load of verbose muslim-splaining I’m not going to read.

        If you want me to engage with you anymore than I already have, first you have to go back to the shit-hole where you belong and post from there.

        • Replies: @Talha
      416. Liza says:
        @Talha

        I have no stats, only my own observations over the past, maybe, 10 years or so. Also, one of my boys told me that some years ago he saw a nature program on television where they were discussing the topic of too many girls being born, at least here in the western world, relative to boys. The host of the show said it had to do with toxicity in the general environment; I don’t know the exact details except that men are apparently more sensitive to these kinds of things.

        My own opinion – which I can’t back up – is that regular consumption of alcohol plays a role in the decline of men’s reproductive ability. It’s a lot easier to blame “pollution”, though. That way, you don’t have to control your appetites and lusts.

        As you know, in China they have the reverse situation – way too many males, countless female fetuses having been killed prior to birth.

        Tell me this ain’t a fallen world.

        • Replies: @Talha
      417. @niteranger

        Dumping comments would be a bad idea because keeping them costs very little and there could be occasional use of one’s own old comments for finding something of which one had no proper indexed record. For instance, because of the way memories work the best way to rescue something might be to recall that one was surprised to find certain facts contradicted some years before by one of a small selection of people commenting on UR – und so weiter.

        • Replies: @niteranger
      418. Talha says:
        @Gleimhart Mantooso

        Cool with me, homie. You’re the one who engaged me first. Next time don’t – and we’ll both be the better for it. Have a good one.

        Peace.

      419. Talha says:
        @Half-Jap

        Much appreciated – you do me honor by investing your time in reading my (often long-winded) posts.

        Peace.

      420. Talha says:
        @geokat62

        My presumption is that your father moved your family to America after 1965.

        Yes – correct.

        You can thank Jewish Supremacist Organizations (JSOs) that pushed hard to rescind Johnson-Reed (1924 restrictionist immigration act).

        OK, again that leads to my other question to the first dude. Given that he is positing that whites have such a high intelligence and are so superior to everyone else; how in the hell did a few Jews pull a fast one on them? And literally fling open their borders to everyone from Vietnam to Ghana to Pakistan? I mean OK so they got something quick past the goalkeeper. It’s not like whites all of a sudden became a minority overnight – so why didn’t they immediately rectify the situation well before the time when they are now in a position to become a minority in their own land within a decade or so? My father applied around 1982 – that was almost two decades.

        I keep on being told around these parts that whites are the most intelligent and capable people on the planet. OK – maybe, but many of them certainly don’t act very wise. Just sayin’…

        Peace.

        Note: And for God’s sake – why will they not have any kids??!! I live in a heavily white (pretty well-to-do) area and – among my daughter’s non-Muslim friends – she seems to be the only one that wants to get married and have kids, many of those girls don’t even care about marriage (let alone have any kids) – completely not on their radar.

      421. @Talha

        Violent, obssessive and fanatic Christians destroyed classical civilisation. “The Darkening Age” by Cathetine Nixey is a must read. The early waves of warlike fanatical illiterate Muslims could be said to have less opportunity for destruction so maybe what was civilised under Islam can’t claim any great contrast in principle. Now the rebuilt Palmyra has been destroyed by fanatical Muslims as it was by fanatical barbarous Christians. Pakistanis vilely misuse blasphemy laws in ways which are worse than any residual Christian attempts to use criminal law against poor women who need abortions and penalties for apostasy are barbarous. Isn’t it time to give up the pretence that there was a Creator God that cared about us and what we (and all those Hindus, Buddhists and animists) do?

        • Agree: Brás Cubas
      422. @Ron Unz

        Ron Unz, you need a new column at the top on the right with the name: “What should I write about” and in this way tap into the immense knowledge that your readers have. Heck you might even put advertisements on those articles that will be the result. I have one idea that I have been brewing on for some time, only excercabated when I learned (https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/opinion/drug-trade-violence-capital-flows/ ] that Miami is the destination for the largest amount of illegal drug money IN THE WORLD. Here they are laundered through real estate. So this money jacks up the prices and at the same time the money get laundered. You wonder: This is so faboulous, so there got to be som Jews nearby, who if you will excuse my pun, always have had a nose for a good affair. And indeed , the nearby Broward County has the highest number of Jews in The United States, next to New York. Now some will say: But they are all innocent!. Not all of them. What about Hollywood’s (which is in Broward County) role in 9/11 ? Here we are told that Muhammed Atta and friends resided prior to that fateful day. What are the chances? And if true, what Chutzpah!. It seems they already control everything and has so much self confidence in the fact, that they don’t even care if anyone put two and two together. You have made articles about past Jewish crimes in LA. Now it’s time to write about current organised crime, which they commit part and parcel with the CIA. Are they the real masters of the CIA? We all know that wherever there is drugs, the CIA is not far away. Talking about parcels. A parcel was sent from Broward County to the DNC in order to blame republicans during the mid terms, and what about some votes suddenly want missing in Broward County, which suggests massive corruption. And what about the Parkland shootings, which also is in Broward

      423. Talha says:
        @Liza

        Hmmm…interesting. I do remember hearing about this a while back:
        “Sperm counts appear to be plummeting throughout the Western world, according to a large study of men around the world. An international team of scientists analyzed data from nearly 43,000 men in dozens of industrialized countries and found that sperm counts dropped by more than half over nearly four decades.”
        https://www.npr.org/2017/07/31/539517210/sperm-counts-plummet-in-western-men-study-finds

        Can’t imagine that is helping.

        is that regular consumption of alcohol plays a role in the decline of men’s reproductive ability.

        Wouldn’t be surprised. My wife is a family/marriage counselor and she did mention she sees plenty of folks having this issue – but then again, it may be because of this issue that they are going to a counselor in the first place. I don’t really see this (problems with fertility) much in our community. It happens, but very rarely. And every white convert I know that marries relatively young has plenty of kids; most have around 3 or more – one brother had seven or eight (with a couple of different women due to divorce). Is it part of the quitting alcohol? I don’t know – could be.

        As you know, in China they have the reverse situation

        Yes – and that is causing many problems over there including stuff like this spilling into surrounding countries:
        “The marriage between a local Christian woman and a Chinese Christian man six months ago in the eastern Pakistani city of Faisalabad had all the signs of a perfect match…But within a month, the woman, who only wants to be known as Sophia to protect her identity, would be back at her parents’ home. She escaped what she now believes was a racket to traffic Pakistani women into a life of sexual servitude in China.
        Saleem Iqbal, a Christian human rights activist who has been tracking such marriages, said he believed at least 700 women, mostly Christian, had wed Chinese men in just over a year. What happens to many of these women is unknown but Human Rights Watch says they are ‘at risk of sexual slavery’….In recent weeks, more than two dozen Chinese nationals and local Pakistani middlemen, including at least one Catholic priest, were arrested in connection with alleged sham marriages.”
        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-48260397

        Plenty of folks around UNZ talk about how East-Asian and whites make a good eugenic pair – or is the least problematic. So maybe all these surplus Chinese men should be hooking up with all these surplus white women – I don’t know, just a thought.

        Tell me this ain’t a fallen world.

        The Arabic word for this plane of existence is dunya. It is the emphatic form of the word meaning to be low – it means “the lowest or most low”. And – from a metaphysical standpoint – it is.

        Peace.

        [MORE]

        But, it’s all good once you keep it all in proper perspective:

        • Replies: @Liza
      424. @Talha

        Oddly enough, the most “barbaric” tribes in Pakistan are the ones descended from Europeans.

        I’m talking about the Kalash and other Greek-derived colonies who trace their roots to Alexander’s Indus Valley military outposts.

        Prior to the Silk Route, Persians and Pakistanis regarded Northwest Europe as a backwater. The Mediterranean was more relevant and Rome was always a player but Northern Europe was a backwater.

      425. @Ron Unz

        At the top of each comment thread is a selection field called “Trim Comments?” which defaults to No but can be set to Short or Long.

        OK. Missed it [completely]. Found it.

        Thank you. Appreciated.

      426. @Jenner Ickham Errican

        Commenter-only choice of the MORE tag is appropriate.

        Yes, agreed. I managed to miss that one [completely].

      427. Realist says:
        @Colin Wright

        You didn’t answer my question.

      428. @anon

        The Mormons are not a case of nonassimilation. They are a case of disassimilation, or, to employ a more usual word, differentiation. A benign one, as far as I can see.

        By the way, what’s with the grey comments? I have a few hypotheses, but would like to get a confirmation.

        • Replies: @anon
      429. @Ron Unz

        It’s a real shame that the labels most commonly applied to this site omit the fantastic and innovative software that allow for multiple and long, conversations to be easily followed. I usually only follow a few comments on other sites because it’s just too much bother but yours is so simple and nothing short of terrific.

        • Thanks: Ron Unz
      430. @Eric Rasmusen

        Although your comment box is not yellow, I assume, after a glance at your comment history, that you are Dr. Rasmusen, the Game Theory professor and occasional Unz contributor. If you are not, disregard this reply, or rather, regard it as anyone else would.

        This site’s future and Ron Unz’s strategies and goals are visibly a passionate concern of many readers of this website. Ron Unz himself exposed those goals and strategies in a very open manner in one of his articles:

        https://www.unz.com/runz/american-pravda-breaching-the-media-barrier/

        I think you with your expertise in Game Theory would certainly would be of great help to Ron Unz with assessing, and if necessary correcting or updating, those strategies.

        Well, whatever your thoughts and actions are in this matter, they are between you and Ron Unz, and a public reply to this comment is not necessary.

      431. Realist says:
        @Talha

        OK, again that leads to my other question to the first dude. Given that he is positing that whites have such a high intelligence and are so superior to everyone else; how in the hell did a few Jews pull a fast one on them? And literally fling open their borders to everyone from Vietnam to Ghana to Pakistan? I mean OK so they got something quick past the goalkeeper. It’s not like whites all of a sudden became a minority overnight – so why didn’t they immediately rectify the situation well before the time when they are now in a position to become a minority in their own land within a decade or so? My father applied around 1982 – that was almost two decades.

        I keep on being told around these parts that whites are the most intelligent and capable people on the planet. OK – maybe, but many of them certainly don’t act very wise. Just sayin’…

        Excellent questions and observations. I have been asking those questions on this site for a long time.

        My take is, there are some very smart, innovative, industrious and ambitious Whites, but the majority are not so much, which gave rise to the Deep State…which thrives on the majority not being too intelligent and frankly just not interested in, or able to discern things of importance. The relatively small number of intelligent, astute Whites are incapable of effecting change.

        P.S. I am as White as one can be.

      432. I may not make the “Excellent Commenters” list, but I am a proud member of Ron’s “Shit List”. It’s that list of commenter’s who believe such things as:
        Moon landings were a hoax.
        NASA is a farce and an’t even put a man in LEO.
        All presidents have been hacks, and care nothing for their constituents(including Reagan AND JFK)
        Abe Lincoln was Americas first Tyrant.
        Nuclear weapons are a scam.
        If you hold any or all of these beliefs, you too can be a proud member of the “shit list”.

        [MORE]

        • Replies: @Onebornfree
      433. Skeptikal says:
        @Colin Wright

        “So one is a cretin if they are a bigot in general? Or only a cretin is they are a bigot towards Islam?”

        Grammar aunts:
        That should be

        “So one is a cretin if *one* is a bigot in general? Or only a cretin is *one is* a bigot towards Islam?”

        That is, the pronoun to use after the pronoun “one” is “one,” not “they.”
        “They” is now accepted as a pronoun to refer to “he” or “she,” but not “one.”

        However, IMO the old solutions for gender-neutral language used by editors for decades are perfectly good, and the use of “they” as a singular pronoun in written English sounds terrible. Especially if used after “one.”

        • Replies: @Colin Wright
        , @Parfois1
      434. Onebornfree says: • Website
        @AnonStarter

        “If we return to the formation of the American republic, we find that there was considerable debate over a religious requirement for citizenship. More than a few anti-federalists wanted to limit the parameters to include only Protestants.”

        Surely this is incorrect. The anti-federalists opposed ratification [because they fully understood the constitution was a scam, a naked attempt at further centralization].

        If “anti-federalists” [in other words the genuine federalists] were pro “Protestant only” immigration, surely it would have been only within the framework of the individual colonies rights [under the existing Articles of Confederation], to limit immigration in any way they wanted.

        But maybe I’m missing something, it’s been a while since I read the anti-federalist papers and related.

        Regards, onebornfree

      435. Saggy says: • Website
        @Parfois1

        Therefore, it follows that Christianity should be a rejection of the OT.

        Sad to say, that is patently absurd. https://www.dictionary.com › browse › bible

        noun. the collection of sacred writings of the Christian religion, comprising the Old and New Testaments.

        • Replies: @Zumbuddi
      436. Anon[224] • Disclaimer says:
        @Art

        Bravo.

        In my experience -admittedly in inferior and mostly brown Mexico—, “white” people who were succesful and well adjusted talk about their personal achievements: family, charities, hobbies, business, travel, general know-who.

        “White” people who had not done much with their lives, or were unsatisfied, or envious, talked about how the mestizos were dirty and about spending the summer in whatever small european town their grandfather hailed from.

        Whiteness is what remains when the mind is clogged.

      437. @geokat62

        /If the framers did indeed “envision the potential of polyethnic, multi-religious polity,” they were definitely not thinking of the multi-culti dystopia we’re living in today./

        Certainly not, though we should also consider what Jefferson himself penned in 1821 regarding America’s earliest religious liberty legislation:

        The bill for establishing religious freedom, the principles of which had, to a certain degree, been enacted before, I had drawn in all the latitude of reason & right. It still met with opposition; but, with some mutilations in the preamble, it was finally past; and a singular proposition proved that it’s protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word “Jesus Christ,” so that it should read “” departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion” the insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend, within the mantle of it’s protection, the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo, and infidel of every denomination. [blockquote]

        The Bill of Rights was submitted for ratification in 1789, and adopted in 1791 — an interesting time frame when considering that of the first Naturalization Act. What we infer from this is that, from the onset of the republic, there were competing visions of its future among the Founders.

        And since America was established as a republic “of the people, by the people, and for the people” it was bound to evolve from its origin.

        Now we can both be selective in our focus of history, choosing to cite what appears to support our perspective of what the Founders intended, but if we’re interested in a restoration of sanity to the republic, we have to take stock of where we are today, assess the feasibility of any given proposal, and deliberate to affect change where we can.

        In mentioning Hart-Cellar, you say this

        /The American people were never asked if they supported this legislation and if they were asked they would have rejected it./

        Perhaps, but that’s not how American government works. It’s the responsibility of citizens themselves to remain informed of legislative proposals and act upon that information, moving their representatives accordingly. We may fault government itself, but it isn’t as though there was never an opportunity for Americans to have known about and acted upon Hart-Cellar before it became law.

        Typically, when I say these things, I get viscerally negative reactions, but my intention is merely to point out that it’s within our capacity to make government work for us. That’s what Ben Franklin meant by saying, “A republic, if you can keep it.” We are the people in “of the people, by the people, and for the people.”

        /As a result, this legislation should be repealed immediately./

        You have to work for this. Organize, petition, campaign. Don’t complain when the usual suspects sling mud at you. Don’t give in no matter how many obstacles you confront. Remain firm and resolute in your endeavor.

        That’s the only way you’re going to get what you want.

        /Why not a region of the country?/

        A top-down strategy for secession will demand that you and many others put their lives on the line, and that chapter in American history has been written for all to read. “Think globally, act locally” may be a liberal cliche, but it’s an aphorism whose application has a good track record of success. A thousand small cuts can still bleed the behemoth dry.

        /The form of government isn’t as important as retaining the integrity of one’s homeland./

        Cart before the horse.

        You have to be organized collectively, acting as one hand, in order to attain success. That kind of organization requires government.

        As such, the form of government upon which you agree will ultimately determine whether you possess any integrity of which to speak.

      438. Saggy says: • Website
        @Talha

        I’m not kissing up to the Jews

        . Your lack of self-awareness is astounding.

        Israel is a monument to our iniquity.

        No, you are a monument to your own iniquity. You have abandoned your own people, left them to suffer and die, while you live a life of ease and luxury in the New Israel, i.e. the US, while we bomb the hell out of the Arabs, 40,000 bombs in 2017*, and you boast of being a good Israeli (i.e. American). You might as well be directing the drones against your own people. You are a traitor and worse, and you justify it with masochistic idiocy.

      439. Anon[224] • Disclaimer says:
        @dfordoom

        Agree. I almost never read one of the chosen six or others I think are pseudo-profound and verbose. I’d rather talk to my nice elderly neighbor.

        Perhaps Mr. Unz thinks he has ‘a very good thing here’ and is always thinking what else he can do with it. He does have a very good thing here, but not sure he can transmute it a lot.

        Then maybe he has a penchant for control/manipulation that’s clouding his reasoning.

      440. @AnonStarter

        “A hamlet, village or township commanded and dominated by a white, English-speaking, Protestant religious order established as a non-profit organization is entirely within the realm of possibility.”

        No, it is not. And you know that. Such a thing would not be allowed to exist.

        #lawyers

        • Agree: Denis
        • Replies: @AnonStarter
        , @Denis
      441. @Daniel Rich

        Grading comments is like opening pandoras box.

        • Replies: @Daniel Rich
      442. geokat62 says:
        @Talha

        Given that he is positing that whites have such a high intelligence and are so superior to everyone else…

        He is obviously wrong about white superiority. As Jared Taylor repeatedly underlines, Ashkenazi jews score highest on IQ tests, then Asians, followed by Whites, then Blacks.

        how in the hell did a few Jews pull a fast one on them?

        All of this is explained by Prof. Kevin MacDonald in his magnum opus, Culture of Critique.

        If you don’t have the inclination to read the book, I highly recommend viewing this hourlong video, Culture of Critique for Normies:

        It’s not like whites all of a sudden became a minority overnight – so why didn’t they immediately rectify the situation well before the time when they are now in a position to become a minority in their own land within a decade or so?

        Short answer: they were terrified of being called a vile racist!

        I keep on being told around these parts that whites are the most intelligent and capable people on the planet.

        Not true… see my first comment.

        And for God’s sake – why will they not have any kids??!!

        Their women were “told” (more like brainwashed for decades) by the usual suspects to put their career before everything else, including forming a family!

        • Replies: @Talha
      443. @Talha

        Of course there was concern over the 65 immigration act, and the creators of the act assured everyone that the demographics of the nation would not be changed. Of course they were lying through their teeth.

        America is a large country, so the change wasn’t obvious for a long time. But it is dishonest to say that Whites have just sat back and let this happen. The “Reagan Revolution” just 15 years later was an expression of dissatisfaction, at a time when a California was still majority White, and the nation 85% White, only to be rewarded with an amnesty. Not ten years later the Democrats lost their post-war hold on Congress, and Newt Gingrich gained power promising to “restore America,” only to do nothing. Since then, Republicans have been voted in and out of power after lying to get elected, and Donald Trump is just the latest example of someone who lied to his base to get elected.

        Whites have done everything they could within the system to preserve their nation, and they were literally stabbed in the back, which is why the demographics are what they are now. Most Whites aren’t the violent, drunken, idiots that you assume. The opposite is true judging by how they have dealt with the situation. The only hope was that the system could work for them, and it was obviously set up not to do so.

        • Replies: @Talha
      444. @anon

        The Mormon religion originated in the U.S., and was made up of Americans. It was pointed out to you that Mormons disassimilated.

        I guess I am right that many people don’t seem to know the meaning of the word assimilate.

        • Replies: @anon
      445. @Art

        Good people do not tell other people to their face, that they are inferior – period!

        Isn’t that what you are doing when you call people rednecks or pdeudo-intellectuals? As far as I know, nobody here identifies as a redneck or pseudo-intellectual.

        Why would blacks be off limits? There are lots of problems among blacks that affect others as much as anything that Jews do.

        • Replies: @Iris
      446. Saggy says: • Website
        @Talha

        Israel is a monument to our iniquity.

        This is typical ‘blame the victim’ nonsense. Your free pass to collaborate. But, that’s not the point. The point is that Israel is a monument to the big lie.

        And now, I am going to prove what a toady you are, how you are at worst the Jews’ lapdog, or at best from your perspective, the Jews’ collaborator. And this is directed not only at you, but every Arab academic and govt. official, in the US or the ME. It represents at true mystery to me.

        Israel exists because of the ‘Holocaust’, and the Holocaust is a preposterous hoax, that is, there is no physical evidence for it whatever, which even the Jews admit … https://www.thestar.com/news/insight/2009/12/27/a_case_for_letting_nature_take_back_auschwitz.html

        Ninety-nine per cent of what we know we do not actually have the physical evidence to prove . . .

        and the ‘testimony’ is prima facie preposterous. E.g. Elie Wiesel, Nobel Peaqch Prize winner and first director of the USHMM, was a prisoner at Auschwitz when the Nazis were supposedly killing 10,000 Jews per day ( ! ) in gas chambers disguised as shower rooms ( ! ! ) and he wrote a book about his experience and he doesn’t mention gas chambers, he does mention taking showers, six times ( ! ), for disinfection. He writes that the Nazis killed the Jews by tossing them alive into burning pits, one for adults, one for children. It is prima facie absurd because a person tossed alive into a burning pit would jump out – to burn someone at the stake you have to tie them to the stake.

        And yet you, the Arab academics, and the Arab governments, do absolutely nothing to expose this hoax, which would bring Israel down. It would be unbelievable if it were not happening. Explain it to me.

        • Replies: @Talha
      447. renfro says:
        @Realist

        My take is, there are some very smart, innovative, industrious and ambitious Whites, but the majority are not so much, which gave rise to the Deep State…which thrives on the majority not being too intelligent and frankly just not interested in, or able to discern things of importance. The relatively small number of intelligent, astute Whites are incapable of effecting change.

        The majority of any race is not so much.… in case you haven’t noticed.

        All civilizations, movements, etc. were built by leaders with ideas or ideals for better or worse , the majority non leaders are followers of the better or worse.

        Right now in mostly the world over we have the worse of leaders who are followed by the worse of followers.

        • Replies: @Realist
        , @OilcanFloyd
      448. Talha says:
        @OilcanFloyd

        Whites have done everything they could within the system to preserve their nation

        Possibly, but they have been able to stand their ground solidly on things like gun ownership so it shows that where there is a will and enough support, politicians will listen.

        and they were literally stabbed in the back

        By other whites.

        In my observation; if we are going to be realistic here, this is partially a civil war between whites themselves. I can tell you – since I have white non-Muslim in-laws – plenty of them are more pro-immigration than I am. They tend to be liberals, of course. Whites – as a whole – simply are not all on the same page on this issue.

        Now, one can say, that’s because they’ve been propagandized. Sure, but that still doesn’t change the fact that they are white and oppose you.

        Most Whites aren’t the violent, drunken, idiots that you assume.

        When did I assume this?

        The only hope was that the system could work for them, and it was obviously set up not to do so.

        Sure. No surprises here – there are plenty of dictators in the Muslim world too that despise the people they rule over.

        Now, I remember a million-man march organized by blacks back in the late 90’s. I haven’t seen anything like this out of organized whites demanding a wall or the like. When that happens, I think things will start to change. Whites have to start thinking outside the system to get what they want and – this is important – be willing to pay the price required for going out of that system.

        Peace.

        • Agree: Realist
        • Replies: @Rurik
        , @OilcanFloyd
      449. Realist says:
        @renfro

        The majority of any race is not so much.… in case you haven’t noticed.

        Oh, I have noticed and I agree. My comment was directed toward Whites because that was the subject.

        All civilizations, movements, etc. were built by leaders with ideas or ideals for better or worse , the majority non leaders are followers of the better or worse.

        I also agree with this statement.

      450. Talha says:
        @geokat62

        I highly recommend viewing this hourlong video, Culture of Critique for Normies:

        You don’t understand – I get the argument. I’m asking why their wasn’t a failsafe in place to prevent this from happening in the first place. To put it another way…let’s say the US is dramatically able to somehow get itself back to a situation where Jewish influence on politics was marginal (take your pick on when that is; antebellum US, pre-WW1, pre-WW2, etc.) now OK – how do you stop it from occurring again? How many people are on board – among whites – to put those measures in place? Let’s talk real numbers here.

        Short answer: they were terrified of being called a vile racist!

        OK – but that would mean they simply didn’t like the word “vile” – “racist” would be accurate given the situation of wanting only to allow white immigration which is obviously racially preferential. You just have to own it and not care. I think the other problem were the obviously racist policies and customs in the South around the similar time frame. Obviously anti-miscegenation laws were actually racist and these were in place until 1967. So if you want to keep them in place, you can – you simply have to not care to be called racist (which would be an accurate statement). You have to pick one or the other.

        Their women were “told” (more like brainwashed for decades)

        My daughter is told the same stuff by the culture as her friends. I simply didn’t let the culture raise my daughter. On Twitter, some of the ones that have attacked me the most for patriarchal views have been white women – not Jews, but white women*.

        Peace.

        [MORE]

        *Of course, we are starting to draw traditional-minded women that like masculinity among white-people like this convert sister:

      451. Rurik says:
        @NoseytheDuke

        Having a good breakfast is a great way to start the day!

        I could not agree more!

        I see the photo triggered someone, and called me a ‘troll’ for posting it.

        I did a quick look at his comments, and he seems uniquely bothered by pornography. Perhaps even obsesses about it. Perhaps he’s a pious Christian.

        But I posted the photo to make a point, and that is that.. our elites are selling out America and Americans (just as the leaders of Europe are selling out Europa). And one of the main selling points are the young women, who’re coveted far and wide in the non-white world. (duh, I know ; )

        His ‘troll’ comment made me think of those Christian men at Baylor University, an overtly Christian institution, and who consider the young, (mostly white) girls who attend, as sexual objects to peddle in return for good football players.

        Assistant coach Kendal Briles (the son of the head coach) told a Dallas area student athlete, “Do you like white women? Because we have a lot of them at Baylor and they love football players,”

        I wonder.. is the guy who I triggered with that picture, perfectly sanguine over the peddling of Christian girls to diversity? Because many of the Christian men I know, would (at least symbolically) go down themselves on a football player if he made enough touchdowns.

        I’ll never forget the way so many of them reacted to the “brutal” rape Kobe Bryant confessed to.

        ‘That bitch! That whore! ‘Kobe can score more points on the court with one arm tied behind his back, than she could ever score in a million years! She should be glad he raped her, Kobe is the Playmaker!! Lord be praised!’

        (apologies for getting a bit off topic)

      452. Talha says:
        @Saggy

        Israel exists because of the ‘Holocaust’

        Yup.

        the Holocaust is a preposterous hoax, that is, there is no physical evidence for it whatever, which even the Jews admit

        You guys figure it out and when you do, come and tell us.

        do absolutely nothing to expose this hoax, which would bring Israel down

        It happened in Europe – Europeans own that nonsense. Israel is a European creation from top to bottom. European ethno-nationalist Jews supported by European empires based upon some nonsense that happened in the bloodiest war in human history – IN EUROPE. If Europeans actually cared, they would have carved out a Jewish state between parts of Germany, Poland and Austria or whatever and given them a homeland. Instead, they dumped all their “Jewish problem” in the Muslim Levant and screwed up the ages-long relationship we had with OUR Jews.

        So yeah, we’ll handle this on our own in our way like we have done with every invader into that land – we have a solid track record and we play the long game. We don’t need any more help from Europeans or advice. You guys have done more than enough to screw the situation up beyond all measure.

        When you stop supplying them with more nuclear submarines, the Ummah might think about listening to any advice you have. Figure out that Holocaust thing on your own – I don’t know of any Holocaust museums in Muslim-majority lands.

        You are a traitor and worse, and you justify it with masochistic idiocy.

        No – I just don’t like whining because it does nothing to change the chessboard. I haven’t come across a single Muslim convert in the US that is not red-pilled on Israel – NOT ONE. You are playing the the short-term game, someone like me is playing the 250 year game – this is a multi-generational effort. I don’t expect you to understand.

        Peace.

        • Agree: Ilya G Poimandres
      453. @Realist

        Conversely if Pakistanis, Indians, etc. are so smart, or even smart enough to contribute something useful to white society, why don’t they advance their own countries to be like the West instead of emigrating to the West? Nah, there’s more than intelligence or wisdom to all this and you know it.

      454. Talha says:
        @Talha

        typical ‘blame the victim’ nonsense

        I’m not blaming the Palestinians. I’m blaming idiots like Saudi and UAE that combined, have a military budget 5 times the size of Israel and a military about 1/20th as effective:
        https://www.globalfirepower.com/defense-spending-budget.asp

        That is the stupidity and waste I am talking about.

      455. Zumbuddi says:
        @Saggy

        Please tell me this is /sarc.

      456. Ron Unz says:
        @Ron Unz

        For example, a “THANK YOU” button would certainly reduce the number of comments. That’s all I can think of right now, but I am sure one could think of other buttons.

        Well, I decided to go ahead and add “Thanks” as a Reaction option, and we’ll see whether people use it. It won’t be available on all the many tens of thousands of older posts and articles until I regenerate them.

        Meanwhile, someone noted that although the Gold Frame was probably too garish, the Gold Star seemed too subdued and unnoticeable. So I went ahead and made it quite a bit larger, which may reduce that problem.

        • Thanks: Rurik
        • Replies: @anon
      457. @Onebornfree

        You’re correct: It wasn’t a religious test for citizenship, it was one for holding public office. The anti-federalists wanted Protestantism to be the litmus test for political administration.

        However, the first Naturalization Act of 1790 — recently referenced by geokat62 — is indicative of the anti-federalists’ influence upon citizenship parameters. By ensuring that citizenship was limited to free white folk, they circumvented religious liberty legislation and maintained a government reflecting the cultural, linguistic, and religious makeup of that citizenry, a makeup of manifestly Anglo-Protestant stock.

        One of the nice things about being here is that there’s always an opportunity to be corrected when mistaken. You may not realize how much that helps me, but I greatly appreciate it.

        Thank you.

      458. geokat62 says:
        @Talha

        You don’t understand – I get the argument.

        Apologies, I’m just a dumb goy!

        OK – how do you stop it from occurring again?

        Didn’t the caliphate put in place policies to deal with this issue. Western societies should draw upon this example for inspiration.

        How many people are on board – among whites – to put those measures in place? Let’s talk real numbers here.

        The numbers may admittedly be small, now. But as the multi-culti dystopia comes into sharp focus over the coming years, a large fraction of the most deeply steeped normies will come to their senses.

        “racist” would be accurate given the situation of wanting only to allow white immigration which is obviously racially preferential.

        I believe it was Lev Bronstein (aka Leon Trotsky) who was the first to weaponize the term racist. We have to defuse this lethal weapon they’ve deployed against us. I realize that for a practicing Muslim race is insignificant, but in my view there is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to keep one’s homeland more or less racially homogenous… just ask the Israelis!

        I simply didn’t let the culture raise my daughter.

        I applaud you for your noble efforts. We need to do the same for our daughters.

        *Of course, we are starting to draw traditional-minded women that like masculinity among white-people like this convert sister:

        No knock against you, Talha, but in Western societies, this work needs to be done by the Christian community, just as it needs to be done by the Muslim community in Islamic societies.
        We all need to restore our homelands to their proper conditions – i.e., prior to the poison of Cultural Marxism being injected into the bloodstreams of our nations.

        • Replies: @Rurik
        , @Talha
      459. Rurik says:
        @Talha

        Now, I remember a million-man march organized by blacks back in the late 90’s. I haven’t seen anything like this out of organized whites demanding a wall or the like. When that happens, I think things will start to change

        They weren’t demanding a wall, they were simply protesting the removal of their honored monuments to the sacrifice of their ancestors, who fought gallantly against the armies of the Northern aggressor.

        And yet, look at the way they were treated? Vicious, violent, Antifa thugs were ((funded)) and facilitated by the local police, to beat and assault those men, simply for protesting their cultural icons being memory-holed.

        I remember James Comey talking about Trump, and saying it was Trump’s equivocation over the Charlottesville brouhaha that convinced him that Trump was unfit. This is the head of the FBI, saying that any American white men who organize to protest their ancestors being ‘non-personed’, and their statues and monuments being destroyed, and the memory of their ancestors, (and by default, they themselves) smeared and demonized, do not deserve the protection of U.S. law enforcement. On the contrary, if some thugs decide to assault such men, then law enforcement should be unequivocally on the side of the criminal thugs.

        So the head of the FBI, was solidly and vociferously on the side of these Antifa criminals

        While unequivocally condemning these law-abiding protesters

        as people whom it’s laudable to violently and illegally assault. And any American who disagrees, is beyond the pale, and deserves to be assaulted.

        >>><<<

        Interestingly, searching for images of statues that were destroyed, I came upon this.

        “Council on American-Islamic Relations: Tear Down Every Confederate Memorial,”

        by Eric Owens, Daily Caller, August 15, 2017:

        The Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), America’s largest Muslim civil rights group, is calling on state and local governments all over the United States to tear down all monuments and memorials commemorating Confederate leaders and the short-lived Confederate States of America.

        CAIR joined several groups asking for the removal of Confederate memorials in the wake of a “Unite the Right” white supremacist rally that turned violent over the weekend. At the Charlottesville, Va. rally, James Alex Fields, a rally attendee, allegedly plowed his grey Dodge Challenger through a large group of people on a pedestrian mall. One woman, Heather Heyer, died in the incident. About 20 other people suffered injuries.

        Nihad Awad, CAIR’s national executive director, urged state and local governments to erase every symbol and every vestige of Confederate history immediately.

        “A fitting response to the deadly terror attack on anti-racist protesters in Charlottesville would be for officials in states and cities nationwide to immediately announce that every street, every school, every flag, and every public memorial honoring those who took up arms in defense of white supremacy and slavery will be removed or have its name changed to instead honor those who fought for civil rights,” Awad said in a statement to The Daily Caller.

        “Removal of these memorials would be a small step forward in turning the page on the darkest period in our nation’s history,” Awad also said.

        https://drrichswier.com/2017/08/16/islamic-supremacist-cair-calls-for-destruction-of-every-confederate-memorial/

        How are we to imagine, Talha, that there can be any common ground between men like Nihad Awad

        and any and all self-respecting Americans, (of any race) who demand to protect our heritage, if this is what this guy actually said, and advocates for?

        I think that’s a fair question..

        Peace.

        • Agree: fnn
      460. Onebornfree says: • Website
        @Johnny Walker Read

        Regarding your excellent, new “club of the officially disapproved” idea 😂

        You missed[Perhaps not intentionally]:

        9/11 was an inside job [complete with fake live footage broadcast by the US MSM]:
        http://septemberclues.info/

        N.A.S.A’S I.S.S. is a fraud [fake videos ]

        E. Musks adventures in space are equally fraudulent [fake videos]

        Sandy hook was a F.E.M.A. false flag psyop

        Parkland Fl. Was a staged psyop,

        Boston bombings were a staged psyop

        2007 London bombings, ditto,

        Paris [Charlie Hebdo etc.] ditto

        New Zealand, ditto.

        And of course, the more recent Douma [Syria] chemical attacks: https://www.activistpost.com/2019/12/medias-deafening-silence-on-latest-wikileaks-drops-is-its-own-scandal.html

        I’m sure that I also have missed a few on the list.

        ….and on and on and on it goes 😎

        Regards, onebornfree

        • Replies: @Johnny Walker Read
        , @Alden
      461. Rurik says:
        @geokat62

        “racist” would be accurate given the situation of wanting only to allow white immigration which is obviously racially preferential.

        I believe it was Lev Bronstein (aka Leon Trotsky) who was the first to weaponize the term racist. We have to defuse this lethal weapon they’ve deployed against us. I realize that for a practicing Muslim race is insignificant, but in my view there is nothing inherently wrong with wanting to keep one’s homeland more or less racially homogenous

        • LOL: geokat62
      462. renfro says:
        @Talha

        No – I just don’t like whining because it does nothing to change the chessboard. I haven’t come across a single Muslim convert in the US that is not red-pilled on Israel – NOT ONE. You are playing the the short-term game, someone like me is playing the 250 year game – this is a multi-generational effort. I don’t expect you to understand.

        Although I have agreed with many of your views I think you are getting a little too big for your britches in lecturing to Americans and assuming we are incapable of understanding your type of multi-generational effort. . Your efforts according to your post here seems to mostly consist of Islam and conversations. While I find many parts of Islam admirable I doubt most here or anywhere in the US are interested in taking up Islam considering the current political religious chaos we are in.

        Your ‘long game’ of multi generational effort hasn’t worked ….you have been sliced, diced and re arranged for centuries already. Practicing Islam is no defense against the aggressive force of the US the Jews or your own radicals.

        Your mentality which seems to be mostly sacrifice and fatalism , inspired by your religion , is the direct opposite of American mentality.

        Unfortunately you are up against the worse of the ’empire mentality’ right now……”’We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out.”….Carl Rove

        The people of the ME and the Muslims and the Palestines that empire has killed are not going to rise up from their graves and thank you for multi generational long game playing.
        You need to adopt some short term offense.

        • Replies: @Talha
      463. Saggy says: • Website
        @Talha

        You guys figure it out and when you do, come and tell us.

        We’ve figured it out. I’ve told you. And, as I predicted, you sidestepped this issue. It is a mystery to me.

        It happened in Europe – Europeans own that nonsense

        .What happened in WW II is on the Europeans.

        The ‘Holocaust’ is not what happened in WW II, the Holocaust is a hoax that was created after WW II, it is the lies told afterward, and not challenged anywhere in the world !

        And as a consequence of the holohoax the ME has been turned into a killing field. And the Arabs are the ones being killed. They are not being killed because of what happened during WW II. They are being killed because of the lies told by the Jews after WW II that no one in the world has the cojones to refute.

        The Arabs are the ones being killed because of the holohoax lies, but that’s of no significance to you. You aren’t even interested. You’re ‘playing the long game’. You have a million excuses for doing nothing. Arab silence on the subject of the holohoax is complicity in the wars Israel and the US are waging in the ME.

        I’m not blaming the Palestinians.

        You wrote “Israel is a monument to OUR iniquity”. You blamed Arabs in general. You blamed yourself. It’s a cop out, it makes absolutely no sense at all. Wait .. it does make sense … it makes it possible for you not to blame the perpetrators, the Jews. They are, as everything you have written suggests, sacrosanct in your mind. You’ll blame the Arabs, but not the Jews !

        It would be unbelievable if it were not happening.

        • Agree: Iris
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      464. Iris says:
        @OilcanFloyd

        Isn’t that what you are doing when you call people rednecks or pdeudo-intellectuals?

        “Redneck” clearly wasn’t meant in a derogatory way; “pseudo-intellectuals” was meant to be derogatory and very deservedly so.

        More to the point, what you don’t understand is that good, well-mannered people brought up with love and a solid moral compass don’t spit their superiority, real or self-perceived, in the face of less-favoured others.
        Such behaviour is the mark of people with personal inferiority complex, or that of a tribe with a century-old supremacist ideology. If you belong to either category, I feel sorry for you.

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      465. renfro says:
        @Rurik

        Wasn’t aware of that CAIR position.
        Thanks for bring to our attention.
        This changes my view of the Muslim groups, we now have another groups to fight.

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      466. @AnonStarter

        I have weighed in in a whimsical fashion, that’s hardly “petulant.” Of course it is Ron’s site- and all the kudos go to the owner. That being said- enough said; lets move on!

      467. Talha says:
        @Saggy

        You blamed Arabs in general. You blamed yourself.

        Correct. And until we get our act together, they will keep pounding us into the dirt.

        You do your thing, we’ll do ours. Like I said, Muslims can handle this on our own – the most we can ask from the West is to not send bombs and soldiers on behalf of Israel, not much to ask.

        Peace.

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      468. @Wizard of Oz

        I was being facetious. The other problem is IP addresses connected to comments and then a trackback of certain people by politically correct idiots who wish to harass or threaten others which could be done by hacking the database.

      469. utu says:

        OT: In the most recent article

        https://www.unz.com/proberts/how-controlled-explanations-are-achieved/

        PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS failed to enclose images that are critical to the article. Could he be motivated to put an effort and republish his article with properly enclosed images?

      470. Talha says:
        @Rurik

        Vicious, violent, Antifa thugs were ((funded)) and facilitated by the local police, to beat and assault those men, simply for protesting their cultural icons being memory-holed.

        Yup – this is the price I’m talking about. This is nothing, this is just the beginning:

        People have to ask themselves? How bad do you want it? I’ve seen videos of Black folks get beaten up by police and attacked by dogs back in the 60’s. This is the way it is. If you are saying that voting is not an option, the first thing to do might be a wholesale boycott of the elections; a voter turnout of 15% would send a clear message that this is a vote of no confidence.

        I think that’s a fair question..

        Absolutely a fair question. I am completely against what CAIR has been doing over the years by involving themselves in politics. They were supposed to be (and started out as) a legal advocacy organization for Muslims against unlawful discrimination. That was their mandate. I used to go to their fundraisers in the early 2000’s. Since this change in involving themselves in these issues (along with stuff like LGBT rights stuff), I have stopped giving them any money for years now and have encouraged other Muslims to do the same.

        Peace.

        • Replies: @Rurik
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