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      iSteve commenter Germ Theory of Disease theorizes:

      Here is the key to a potential Bloomberg victory (are you listening, Trump interns?)

      The Iron Law of American presidential politics is this: (listen VERY carefully, Trumpsters)…..

      Bugs Bunny ALWAYS defeats Elmer Fudd.

      Donald Trump defeated the numerically and media-massaged superiority of Hillary Clinton, because he was able to position himself as the wily, wascally wabbit, the underdog Americans are programmed to cheer for, against the ridiculously stilted Elmer Fudd stiff presented by the vile shrike Hillary, the Sea-Hag incarnate.

      Trump will not enjoy the Bugs Bunny advantage this time around, because all his blowhard blustering, and shouting and tweeting and fuming, makes him into the stiff this time around.

      Compared with this nonstop walking baby-tantrum, all Bloomberg has to do is to stand there very still, chomp his carrot, sound calm and reasonable, and ask, “What’s up, doc?”

      Trump will destroy himself on impact, unless he takes notice.

      Watch and learn.

      Okay, but most of America hasn’t actually seen Bloomberg outside his expensive TV commercials. How will he do in his first Democratic debate on Wednesday evening?

      I’m probably going to be out and about most of Wednesday, so feel free to comment.

       
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      1. It depends. Can one of the others on stage get under his skin? Talk about how he benefitted as mayor from gentrification? That even Bernie doesn’t want to tax truly poor Americans “for their own good? How the Bloomberg Terminal helped drive the much maligned high frequency trading? So, we’re going to have to wait and see.

        • Replies: @Hail
        I predict Bloomberg is a Racist will be the main point of attack.

        It's not clear who benefits. The White-Catholic man approaching eighty? The White-Jewish man approaching eighty? The scolding White woman librarian-type? The less-scolding but similar White woman librarian-type? The weird-name Gay CIA asset?
        , @obwandiyag
        Bloomberg is basically a richer, shorter, less interesting, less articulate, much less entertaining, Trump.
      2. Anon[394] • Disclaimer says:

        So the point of GTOD’s post is that he doesn’t like Trump? Wow what a great contribution. Literally nothing that he said is true or insightful. There is no Iron Law of Elmer Fudd whatever he said. He emotes like a woman, and then rationalizes it afterwards. The anti-Trump losers on this board are just getting so repetitive with their Trump hatred, even they know they need to dress it up a little bit. That’s literally all this is.

        nonstop walking baby-tantrum

        Pure class all the way. What an original thinker and great human being! Good job, we need more hatred in the world.

        • Replies: @Forbes

        makes him into the stiff this time around.
         
        Compared to Bloomie, or anyone on the Dem side??

        Hahahahaha!
        , @Thirdtwin
        Napoleon Tiny-mite was totally Elmer Fudd at the debate. He should have skipped the debates until he had some delegate cred and Warren had dropped out.

        And GTOD should have waited until after last night’s debate before commenting.
      3. Off topic:.

        They are not making any of the actuary tests easier.

        Why?

        We know why. It is one thing to make medical boards easier or building diversity bridges in Miami. But when actual money is involved you want proven professionals.

        • Replies: @Coemgen

        We know why.
         
        The "why" is that there is no political benefit for making actuarial exams easier. The left side of the bell-curve has no idea what an actuary is. "Elites" on the right side of the bell curve are quite happy to ignore actuaries (think "Mortgage meltdown"). The U.S. Dollar is fungible for these demographics.
        , @YetAnotherAnon
        I worked with a guy who had a 2.1 in Maths from a decent uni, but still failed to qualify as an actuary. There comes a point, he said, where not only can't you work out the answer, but you can't work out the question either.

        On the other hand he was a good lad and recognisable human being, whereas many (not all) actuaries are that tall nerdy kid at school. A lot of semi-Aspergery types.

        (Actuarial colleague (childless) when it's dress down for charity day)

        "I don't see the point of these charities taking the kids on adventure holidays or to Disneyland. After all, they're going to die anyway."

        If the "sexy sons" mating hypothesis is true, it certainly explains why the actuarial Christmas party is never a drunken orgy, more like sherry with the vicar.
      4. Trump needs to take more action on building the wall, kicking out illegals, and scaling back “civil rights” legislation to get his base really fired up.

        Bloomberg will be going for the moderates, the ones Trump tried to impress by letting felons out of jail. Get back to base politics.

        • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

        Trump needs to take more action on building the wall, kicking out illegals, and scaling back “civil rights” legislation to get his base really fired up.
         
        The rallies show that the base is fired up. When you have all those receptive to your message, you cannot get any more.

        Get back to base politics.
         
        Good advice. But Trump could expand the base by, e.g., blocking the Republican traitors carrying water for the donor class. Shut down Asian immigration. And then work hard to get out the coders, techies and college grad who have had their prospects undermined my Asian immigration.
      5. There is very little Bugs Bunny to Michael Bloomberg. Any amount which is present is currently being paid for; I’ll grant that he has enough money to continue to be a Bugs for the whole election (which may work.)

        The Michael Bloomberg which New Yorkers know is nothing like that. The funny thing is that he is more the caricature which the media has set up of Trump than President Trump is. Not perfectly, of course (he isn’t all that brash or eccentric), but enough to make one wonder if the people running our media have any observational skills at all.

        Michael Bloomberg’s advantage is that a lot of people would feel comfortable leaving things in his hands because he has had enough success with being an administrator and executive in both public and private life. They find him pragmatic and will tolerate him doing a mediocre job and don’t think he’ll rock the boat too much.

        I don’t agree with that assessment but there is a non-zero sum of people who are and will always be uneasy with our free-wheeling President but are okay with the job he’s done and are looking for someone who could be like him while being more drab or vanilla.

        Being a bit Fudd-ish could be to his advantage. (Bloomberg is naturally more Daffy Duck, in my opinion.)

      6. Between the rust belt states (where he would need to flip one or two) knowing Little Mikey as the CEO of GunGrabber Inc, and the black block of Dem support knowing him as Mayor Stop-and-Frisk, Bloomberg is dead in the water before you even consider the Bernie Bros going absolutely apeshit if their messiah loses out to an old white billionaire technocrat.
        Much as I enjoy an excuse to revisit a classic Looney Tunes clip, Germ Thoery is nuts if he thinks Bloomberg can lead the coalition of the fringes to victory. He’s more likely to spark a full blown mutiny.

        • Replies: @Russ

        Germ Thoery is nuts if he thinks Bloomberg can lead the coalition of the fringes to victory. He’s more likely to spark a full blown mutiny.
         
        Feather-Indian Warren pounded him good and hard on those non-disclosure agreements, and it was obvious that the wealthy newcomer had no debating chops. It is useful to contrast the Spring 2016 Trump (tall; center-staged; aggressively spoken vs 12+ GOP foes) with the Spring 2020 Terminal schlongist (short; rightmost on stage; bureaucratic and thin-skinned vs a half-dozen Dems). Debates may become the anti-commercials for the latter.
      7. Further advice for Trump: Do not, under any circumstances, attempt to use ACME brand products in your campaign.

        • Replies: @Kronos
        I’m surprised Bernie hasn’t used his Vermont guns in the 2020 Democratic debates.

        https://youtu.be/cfpF2z3Ci-A
        , @Paleo Liberal
        Strange but true —

        The Democratic National Convention is in Wisconsin this year.

        Wisconsin is home to an NFL team originally named the Acme Packers, named after the Acme Packing Company in Green Bay.
        , @International Jew
        If ACME had been a real company, product liability lawsuits would have driven it out of business by now.
      8. Bloomberg is going to be a fine Republican president. I think the left will fall in line to get Trump out, but how will they act when Bloomberg is in office? What happened in New York when he was mayor?

        • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

        Bloomberg is going to be a fine Republican president.
         
        You must think your wet dreams define reality; but reality will no more confirm to your animal impulses than it will to the musings of an extremely rich, but despicable, bastard.

        We know Bloomberg is your bastard, but Bloomberg is not America's bastard.
      9. This is, what, prediction #18427985 that “Trump’s met his match this time!” Sure, one of these predictions is bound to be right eventuly by sheer chance, but that is not the way I am betting.

        • Agree: JimDandy
        • Replies: @Charles Erwin Wilson

        Sure, one of these predictions is bound to be right eventuly by sheer chance, but that is not the way I am betting.
         
        I do not think you understand chance, my friend.
      10. Thank you, Steve, for highlighting this fascinating and harrowing peak into the mind of a boomer completely rotted out by television.

        • Agree: Tusk
        • LOL: Rob
      11. I may tune into tonight’s debate to see if Bloomberg can do Bugs Bunny against a roomful of Elmer Fudds.

      12. My favorite was Yosemite Sam. Always hoped he’d fill that lily livered rabbit full of lead. Never liked the smug rabbit with the Brooklyn accent.

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

        Never liked the smug rabbit with the Brooklyn accent.
         
        For what it's worth, Coney Island was named for its leporine population.

        Also, the Portuguese surname Coelho, as in the author or the former US Congressman, means "rabbit". I saw it on a menu in Lisbon, but ordered octopus instead.

        Speaking of Coney Island and octopodes...


        https://www.brownstoner.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/coney-island-brooklyn-mermaid-parade.jpg
      13. @Hodag
        Off topic:.

        They are not making any of the actuary tests easier.

        Why?

        We know why. It is one thing to make medical boards easier or building diversity bridges in Miami. But when actual money is involved you want proven professionals.

        We know why.

        The “why” is that there is no political benefit for making actuarial exams easier. The left side of the bell-curve has no idea what an actuary is. “Elites” on the right side of the bell curve are quite happy to ignore actuaries (think “Mortgage meltdown”). The U.S. Dollar is fungible for these demographics.

      14. Has Boomer Commenter #271 ever SEEN Bloomberg in public? The guy dressed up like twelve kinds of fruit and pranced around on stage like a tiny dancer. This, apparently, in an attempt to get people to like him. For some reason his lizardlike toothless grin didn’t do the trick.

        You see, it’s just like a Tom Wolfe novel…

        • LOL: Jack Henson
      15. If Bloomy gets the nom the D Party will fracture. Trump, with 97% R support will win in a cakewalk. Analogies, even those about Loony Toons, are not argument.

      16. • LOL: ia
        • Replies: @AnotherDad
        Funny that the Democrats, having been essentially the Jewish party my whole life--Jewish financed, Jewish scribblers, Jewish operatives, Jewish ideology--is now in the year of peak "don't touch my hair" anti-white "woke", seemingly coming down to choosing between two elderly Jewish white guys.

        Guys who represent the two opposite strands in Jewish politics:

        Bernie the 19th/20th century, submerg our separateness in all-on-the-same-team socialism, which was the dominant Jewish strain in mid-20th century America.

        And Bloomberg the more recently dominant--but essentially the ancient/classic Jewish middle-man-minority take--"the goyim exist for us to exploit".

        If Bernie was able to follow his natural--Samual Gomperish--inclinations on mass immigration (as "a Koch brothers" program)--and call for immigration moratorium--"we can't have high wages and free health care" with people streaming into our nation"--Bernie would be formidable. Unfortunately for Bernie ... he's fundamentally a weak man and has rollled over for escalating demands of Jewish minoritarianism that are sweeping the party.

        Bloomberg on the other hand offers Americans nothing but exploitation. My working class relatives to be replaced by Mexicans Bloomy needs to keep his country club greens in good shape on the cheap. And upper middle class whites like me and my son replaced by Asian engineers.

        Trump should be able to beat little Bloomy like a drum. However ... while Trump is very good at visceral anti-elite "drain the swamp" stuff, he's pretty bad at making the sort of clear coherent nationalist case that would eviserate Bloomberg.

        So there's a chance for Bloomy to squeak in as a "responsible" "moderate", when he actually has zero loyalty to his fellow Americans and has absolutely no business offering himself as their leader, but rather is a traitor whose head belongs on a pike.
      17. Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by s whopping 4 million
        Trump didn’t win

        He used Russian interference and the platform of of racists to win the electoral college an outdated needless institution

        How do you guys contend with the fact People of Color academics and journalists disagree with you vehemently

        • LOL: Currahee
        • Replies: @guest
        I don’t mind people of color academics and journalists disagreeing with me, vehemently or otherwise. If only they’d shut up about their hair.
        , @J.Ross
        Although Vincent-Denis just started here, all three of his under-punctuated, well-spaced comments are essentially the same, and are especially good if you read their fragments together as a run-on sentence in Napoleon Dynamite's voice.
        , @Je Suis Omar Mateen
        "Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by s whopping 4 million"

        Are you sure about that? I heard she won by 6 gorillion.
        , @Ron Mexico
        Yeah, Lynyrd Pitts said as much.
        , @MEH 0910

        He used Russian interference
         
        https://www.mythdetector.ge/sites/default/files/2017-10/22375419_1928654560484006_1996753860_o_0.jpg
        , @Ragno

        How do you guys contend with the fact People of Color academics and journalists disagree with you vehemently
         
        By saving up our shame-faced excuses for actual academics and journalists. Luckily for us, they're all practically extinct these days.
        , @Alden
        You have no idea how deeply despicable and worthless people of color and even more academics and journalists are.

        They are one and all worthless scum from Tyrone on death row to the presidents of every college in America and every journalist. Every opinion they have, every word they say and write is wrong wrong wrong.
        , @Reg Cæsar

        Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by s whopping 4 million
        Trump didn’t win
         
        There is no "popular vote". The figure is an illegitimate sum of votes cast under widely differing state laws.

        Jimmy Carter and George Bush were born the same year, but Carter was allowed to vote in the 1944 election. Bush was not. (You'd have thought FDR'd had enough crackers polishing his treads, but Georgia lowered her voting age in 1943.)

        Reagan's, Nixon's, and Eisenhower's mothers could vote in the 1916 election (Mrs Reagan only for presidential electors), but not Johnson's, Kennedy's, Truman's, or Ford's. (Carter's and Bush's would have been too young wherever they lived.)

        The Electoral College is based on Congressional representation, so either both are legitimate or neither. And yes, it is distorted-- by counting non-citizens, in the 21st as well as the 19th century.
        , @MBlanc46
        I love it that People of Color academics and journalists disagree with me vehemently.
        , @Change that Matters
        Fifth Runner Up in the Butt Plug Slam Poetry Finals 2020

        Hillary Clinton
        Won the popular vote
        Trump didn't win

        Racists, racists, racists
        Russians are everywhere
        The Electoral College
        Is an outdated institution

        How do you contend
        With the fact, you guys, that
        People of Color
        Academics
        And journalists
        Disagree with you?

        Vehemently!
        , @duncsbaby
        I plead Nolo Contendere, my diminutive waterfowl friend.
      18. Bloomberg is a very intelligent guy and would do a good job as chief bureaucrat, but like many such guys

        1. voters hate super-smart guys who are super smug about it, as Mike usually is.

        2. he thinks because he’s so intelligent he knows best about many things he knows little about, such as gun control.

        3. he has a habit of blabbing the truth a lot, such as in all these videos popping up now, when a politician’s job is to lie well.

        He has no shot at beating Trump, I doubt he could even win a political primary, for any party.

        • Replies: @Pincher Martin

        He has no shot at beating Trump, I doubt he could even win a political primary, for any party.
         
        I don't have any major disagreements with any of your three points, but I suspect Bloomberg will win at least one political primary on Super Tuesday.

        Even if Bloomberg does win a few primaries, your overall assessment is correct. He doesn't have the chops for retail politics.
      19. Anon[212] • Disclaimer says:

        As Scott Adams would say: analogies are no substitute for thinking. If it’s between Trump and Bloomberg then it’s: The most interesting man in the world versus boring Bloomberg, one billionaire who relates to the common man versus the billionaire who appears to be buying his way into the nomination, a master of persuasion versus the awkward short Jewish guy. The election won’t be close.

        • Replies: @Russ

        If it’s between Trump and Bloomberg then it’s: The most interesting man in the world versus boring Bloomberg, one billionaire who relates to the common man versus the billionaire who appears to be buying his way into the nomination, a master of persuasion versus the awkward short Jewish guy. The election won’t be close.
         
        What's more: Melania Trump is much easier on the eyes of perpetually put-upon white men than Diana Taylor (with apologies to the latter), and damned if the Donald doesn't know that too.
      20. Bloomy is a sitting duck (pun intended) for Bernie.

        If I was advising Bernie, I’d tell him to say this to Bernie on an upcoming debate stage when they’re both there:

        “Your fortune is built off of an immoral if not illegal cartel. [The terminals — Ed.] You do deserve Federally-funded public housing, but a Federal prison cell instead of the White House. As President, I and the Attorney General and the U.S. Attorney for southern New York appoint will see to it that that happens.”

        Bloomy will never know what hit him, and will never be able to recover. It’ll be just like Tulsi Gabbard taking down Kamala Harris. The assembled crowd might cheer and hoot and holler for a half hour continuously, and it may even effectively seal the nomination for Bernie.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        It would work better if Bloomberg's fortune was built off of supermarkets or something that blacks could relate to. Overcharging other Wall St. millionaires for their terminals does not excite the proletariat. It would be nice if Bernie would let his inner Hugo Chavez come out - Expropriate the Expropriators! , but it's not going to happen. His job now is to talk about bread and butter issues that poll well with blacks - free healthcare, free college, free housing, free everything! If there's anything that black voters like, it's free stuff. Blacks in America don't believe in "kill my neighbor's horse" like jealous Russian peasants. They don't hate the rich. They want their own horse. Hell, make it a Cadillac!
        , @Thomas
        I've said a few times I don't think Bernie has the grit to fight at this level, and I stand by that. His success to this point has more to do with his supporters and what he stands for, rather than him as a candidate.

        IMHO, Bloomberg has the bigger problem tonight that there are four other candidates whose best shot at revivifying their campaigns right now probably is to beat him up as a stand in for Trump to show that they can take on Trump. He might benefit, however, if they all try to dogpile on and turn the entire debate into a showcase for him.
        , @bomag
        Bloomberg is not defenseless here.

        He could go with the "greed is good" speech; that works more than half the time.

        He could state that Bernie's policies never work, while his (Bloomberg's) work at least some of the time.
      21. Bloomberg put down on his driver’s license that he is 5’10” when he is clearly approximately 5’6″ he is clearly very insecure about being a small person. I predict he will get steaming mad if trump keeps pointing out he will need to stand on a box to speak with other world leaders.

      22. Maybe Bloomberg’s expensive consultants have pointed out that people get tired of extremists like

        crazy Bernie ranting about socialism and

        irate old librarian Liz Warren shaking her finger at the boys who won’t sit quietly and read their “Portraits of 19th Century Feminists” instead of “Kit Carson, Mountain Man”

        and instead maybe they’d listen to

        calm, professional Mike Bloomberg taking an old-school centrist Democrat position.

        • Replies: @Currahee
        "read their “Portraits of 19th Century Feminists” instead of “Kit Carson, Mountain Man”."
        Too true. LOL.
      23. Bloomberg is late to the party and any the Dem coalition is shestak highly fractured. Bloomberg “stealing” the election from Bernie will drive down their turnout as much Hillary stealing it did. And this will all be about turnout. Dems have to get it from somewhere and that somewhere shifts by state for them. Similarly, Trump will hammer Bloomberg as a racist when the time comes. He’s building a war chest and keeping his powder dry. By this summer he’ll go dirty and you’ll either see commercials with Bernies past communism comments on every TV or Bloomberg’s “racist” comments.

        Trump team thinks they can hedge off an extra 10% of the black vote. If they can get an extra 5% , it will more or less secure the election. Hell, if he can keep blacks at homer last time, that should do it.

        Moderate Republicans stayed home last time. Trump thinks he can get them this time. I suppose Bloomberg could flip them, but it seems unlikely. The election will be about
        turnout.

        • Replies: @anon

        The election will be about turnout.
         
        Every year the democrats import at least 750,000 new democrat voters, thanks to Hart-Celler.
        No other political statistic matters.

        In a few years, it will all be over for the GOP. Further, because the GOP is the last refuge of Historic America, it will all be over for the USA.
      24. MiniMike’s whiny voice will put him at a disadvantage in a debate. Seems he could have availed himself of a voice coach with all of his money. Whatever he spent on a box to stand on was wasted.

        • Replies: @MC
        I've said this until I'm blue in the face: Why don't politicians hire voice coaches?

        Actors do it. Politics is acting for nerds. Why doesn't Ted Cruz have a better voice by now?

        Between Reagan and Trump, it's clear that politicians should be taking more cues from Hollywood for their own benefit.
      25. No. I think Bloomberg is going to make the same mistake as with Clinton. Where Bloomberg sees himself as presenting the model of professional, effective, and smoothly packaged leadership, much of the nation will see him instead as the ultimate paragon of a managerial class that has still largely suffered no consequences for their track record of utter venality, incompetence, and failure over the past quarter century.

        Whether Trump is intelligent enough to effectively take advantage of that in the event of a Bloomberg nomination is up for debate, as is whether Sanders has it in him to go for Bloomberg’s jugular and put the DNC under the pressure of the mob. But that doesn’t change the implication that the DNC has learned nothing from 2016. And in fairness, given how they view the 2016 election, how can they? To learn that lesson would completely undermine their self-image and narrative. After all, They Didn’t Really Lose, because they got more yards, even if they scored less points…

        It’s also brutally apparent that the mental gap between how our elites-economic, political, and media-view themselves and how much of the voting populace views them has never been greater. This will have interesting consequences going forward.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        It's hard to pin the sins of the managerial class on Bloomberg. It's not like he was the president of GM and ran it and its jobs into the ground and moved the factories to Mexico and China. He personally has been a job creator and basically created a new industry, employing 20,000 high paid people, where none existed before.

        One of the reasons why Hillary's (and Biden's) message of "choose me, I'm the competent, sane one" didn't resonate was that it was pretty clearly a lie. Bloomberg really does have a track record of competence in industry and in government.

        Bernie's "you have nothing to lose but your chains" message resonates with Millennials who really do have nothing to lose but their minimum wage part time jobs at Starbucks, but most Americans are not in that category. The white working class voters in the Midwest who swung toward Trump in 2016 are not lifelong loyal Republicans. They voted for Obama before they voted for Trump. And Trump has not exactly overdelivered on his campaign promises from the last time.
        , @The Wild Geese Howard

        After all, They Didn’t Really Lose, because they got more yards, even if they scored less points…
         
        Heh, my alma mater's fanbase clung to that same argument for a number of years with regard to the football team.

        "But we totally scored more YARDZ!! We're the REAL winners!"

        Morons.
        , @JMcG
        If you could buy them for what they’re worth and sell them for what they think they’re worth, you’d be able to buy your own election.
      26. @countenance
        Bloomy is a sitting duck (pun intended) for Bernie.

        If I was advising Bernie, I'd tell him to say this to Bernie on an upcoming debate stage when they're both there:

        “Your fortune is built off of an immoral if not illegal cartel. [The terminals -- Ed.] You do deserve Federally-funded public housing, but a Federal prison cell instead of the White House. As President, I and the Attorney General and the U.S. Attorney for southern New York appoint will see to it that that happens.”

        Bloomy will never know what hit him, and will never be able to recover. It’ll be just like Tulsi Gabbard taking down Kamala Harris. The assembled crowd might cheer and hoot and holler for a half hour continuously, and it may even effectively seal the nomination for Bernie.

        It would work better if Bloomberg’s fortune was built off of supermarkets or something that blacks could relate to. Overcharging other Wall St. millionaires for their terminals does not excite the proletariat. It would be nice if Bernie would let his inner Hugo Chavez come out – Expropriate the Expropriators! , but it’s not going to happen. His job now is to talk about bread and butter issues that poll well with blacks – free healthcare, free college, free housing, free everything! If there’s anything that black voters like, it’s free stuff. Blacks in America don’t believe in “kill my neighbor’s horse” like jealous Russian peasants. They don’t hate the rich. They want their own horse. Hell, make it a Cadillac!

        • LOL: MBlanc46
        • Replies: @Inquiring Mind
        Does anyone here know what a Bloomberg Terminal really is?

        When you hear the word "terminal", you think that Bloomberg-the-company is overcharging for one of those toilet-bowl-shaped VT100 "dumb terminals" connected by a phone connection to an IBM computer at a central locations when everyone else has changed to the Internet.

        Wikipedia describes a Bloomberg Terminal as a Web app that runs on a PC with a half-dozen displays filling half a wall. The Bloomberg Terminal app looks like the control panel to the starship Enterprise if the TOS wasn't filmed on such a low budget.

        Before the Internet, the high-technology thing was the telephone. Who here has seen one of these old movies where a "stock trader" was a guy who had a dozen phones on his desk, and when each one rings he picks it up and barks into the receive, "Buy!" or "Sell!" Today's financial trader has a half dozen 4K monitors in front of the desk showing real-time squiggles of all the markets and is clicking on "Buy!" or "Sell!" That is the Bloomberg Terminal.

        The closest thing may be the lock on the computer database market held by Larry Ellison. An Oracle database is the industrial-strength pro-model of the toy database software you might run on your PC to keep track of who has paid their dues to the Cub Scouts. If you work for a big enough company, your employee record is probably in an Oracle Database. So Larry and Mike are kinda, roughly, the same kind of billionaire who managed to get a first-mover monopoly lock on an expensive software program that works behind-the-scenes and the average person doesn't encounter directly, sort of the opposite of Facebook or Microsoft Office.
        , @Johann Ricke

        Overcharging other Wall St. millionaires for their terminals does not excite the proletariat.
         
        Not by that much - Reuters Thomson costs $22K per year. Bloomberg costs $24K.
      27. I find political theories based off of Donald Trump’s legendary defeat of Hillary Clinton in 2016 run into the insuperable difficulty that Trump got fewer votes than Clinton.

        • Replies: @Ian Smith
        How many Clinton votes came from illegals and dead people?
        , @Sean
        If Clinton had got fewer votes and won?
        , @Jenner Ickham Errican

        Trump got fewer votes than Clinton
         
        Yeah, but Clinton got lesser votes. She had quantity, he had quality.
        , @Pincher Martin

        I find political theories based off of Donald Trump’s legendary defeat of Hillary Clinton in 2016 run into the insuperable difficulty that Trump got fewer votes than Clinton.
         
        Hillary Clinton holds the dubious distinction of running in two sure-thing elections and losing both of them. What does it matter if the elections are both close when she was supposed to win them easily?

        Hillary was a lock to win the 2008 Democratic nomination. And then she lost to a guy who said in 2006 that he didn't think he should run because he wasn't ready. Who cares if the election was close? She had all the advantages. She should've won with little trouble.

        Hillary was then a lock to win the presidency as the Democratic nominee in 2016. She was running against a political neophyte whose campaign for the GOP nomination had caused a civil war among GOP elites, with many defecting the party. She also had the entire mainstream media on her side. As a result, she was widely expected to win the election up until election day.

        What's more, Hillary's entire margin of victory in the popular vote came in just one state (California) in which Trump never bothered to even run and in which many Republicans stayed home.

        Take solace, if you like, in Hillary's victory in the popular vote. It counted for absolutely nothing.
      28. Bloomberg did win three elections as Mayor of New York, which is three more elections than Trump won before running for President. However he outspent his opponents by ridiculous amounts and also had the favorable free media coverage advantage in all of them. Parts of the Democratic machine even supported them in at least one of the elections. But two of those elections were close, in one the margin was razor thin. I suspect this won’t work in national elections. Bloomberg’s spending in those races was of a scale that he could have just given each New York voter a substantial amount directly to vote for him. Trump was outspent by a substantial margin in the 2016 general election.

        While Bloomberg has the advantage over Trump in that Bloomberg really is a billionaire, Trump’s policy positions are actually pretty popular.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        The fact that Bloomberg, running on either the Republican or an independent line, was able to beat Democrats 3 times in a row really says something. Democrats outnumber Republicans 5 to 1 in NYC so to overcome that advantage, even by a thin margin, is amazing. The last Republican mayor of Chicago was elected in 1927.
        , @Johann Ricke

        However he ... also had the favorable free media coverage advantage in all of them.
         
        You mean like the following?

        https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/can-mark-green-heal-nyc/
        https://nymag.com/nymetro/news/media/columns/medialife/5349/
        https://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/28/nyregion/bloomberg-cites-polygraph-in-a-denial-of-harassment.html
        https://www.theguardian.com/observer/comment/story/0,,493276,00.html
        , @ScarletNumber
        I still resent Bloomberg for changing the rules midstream. When he was elected, there was a two-term limit for mayor. This is why Rudy Giuliani was unable to be mayor starting in 2002 even though he would have won in a landslide.
      29. @nebulafox
        No. I think Bloomberg is going to make the same mistake as with Clinton. Where Bloomberg sees himself as presenting the model of professional, effective, and smoothly packaged leadership, much of the nation will see him instead as the ultimate paragon of a managerial class that has still largely suffered no consequences for their track record of utter venality, incompetence, and failure over the past quarter century.

        Whether Trump is intelligent enough to effectively take advantage of that in the event of a Bloomberg nomination is up for debate, as is whether Sanders has it in him to go for Bloomberg's jugular and put the DNC under the pressure of the mob. But that doesn't change the implication that the DNC has learned nothing from 2016. And in fairness, given how they view the 2016 election, how can they? To learn that lesson would completely undermine their self-image and narrative. After all, They Didn't Really Lose, because they got more yards, even if they scored less points...

        It's also brutally apparent that the mental gap between how our elites-economic, political, and media-view themselves and how much of the voting populace views them has never been greater. This will have interesting consequences going forward.

        It’s hard to pin the sins of the managerial class on Bloomberg. It’s not like he was the president of GM and ran it and its jobs into the ground and moved the factories to Mexico and China. He personally has been a job creator and basically created a new industry, employing 20,000 high paid people, where none existed before.

        One of the reasons why Hillary’s (and Biden’s) message of “choose me, I’m the competent, sane one” didn’t resonate was that it was pretty clearly a lie. Bloomberg really does have a track record of competence in industry and in government.

        Bernie’s “you have nothing to lose but your chains” message resonates with Millennials who really do have nothing to lose but their minimum wage part time jobs at Starbucks, but most Americans are not in that category. The white working class voters in the Midwest who swung toward Trump in 2016 are not lifelong loyal Republicans. They voted for Obama before they voted for Trump. And Trump has not exactly overdelivered on his campaign promises from the last time.

        • Disagree: RadicalCenter
        • Replies: @Bugg
        Except Bloomberg is now repudiating his most important managerial success, following Giuliani's lead in keeping NYC safe from street crime.
        , @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

        It’s hard to pin the sins of the managerial class on Bloomberg. It’s not like he was the president of GM and ran it and its jobs into the ground and moved the factories to Mexico and China. He personally has been a job creator and basically created a new industry, employing 20,000 high paid people, where none existed before.
         
        Didn't Bloomberg basically just publish a digital Racing Form for people who make money from money rather than money from horses?

        Perhaps it was a genius invention to weaponize information, but he's still making his money as a parasite of the larger industry of people who make money from money. I know that there are arguments in favor of the necessities of these markets for pricing stability, but at some level they're necessary evils rather than unalloyed goods.
        , @nebulafox
        >One of the reasons why Hillary’s (and Biden’s) message of “choose me, I’m the competent, sane one” didn’t resonate was that it was pretty clearly a lie. Bloomberg really does have a track record of competence in industry and in government.

        I don't doubt he's more personally competent than Donald Trump-or Barack Obama, or George W. Bush, for that matter. But that's completely immaterial. He reeks of epitomizing a decaying age, a decaying system. He is vulnerable, all the moreso because he's doesn't think he is: he's being fellated by everything "mainstream" in America, like Clinton before him and doesn't think his skeletons can be used against him. His dealings with the Chinese and rather non-subtle admiration for their system could be particularly embarrassing, given recent events.

        And I've done a systematic check for potential soundbites that could harm him: I've come across things that would help piss off every single two-bit fringe group that'll converge on Milwaukee this summer. The voting populace is not inoculated against such things, with the MSM openly embracing Bloomberg, unlike Trump. Plainly speaking, if Trump can't successfully help the convention into a great, big embarrassing inferno, he's even more of a jackass than I thought and doesn't deserve to win, especially given how Bloomberg is being given a pass on much of the traditional nomination norms. (And if Sanders plays softball again, he's even more of a pu**y than I thought, and he doesn't deserve to win.)

        >Bernie’s “you have nothing to lose but your chains” message resonates with Millennials who really do have nothing to lose but their minimum wage part time jobs at Starbucks, but most Americans are not in that category.

        It'll resonate more when they see Bloomberg's neo-feudal student loan plans, but that's only a nice-add on, given the fickle voting habits of the young. With the hollowing out of the middle class, the upper-middle class has demographically exploded. But not as much as the downwardly mobile did. That's the vital, target demographic, right there, the ones inclined to be against the status quo in any case. More of them exist than those who profited from the past few decades. It didn't matter that Obama bailed out Wall Street when the GOP decided to nominate Mitt Romney. Trump's best shot is trying to be a lesser evil.

        > They voted for Obama before they voted for Trump. And Trump has not exactly overdelivered on his campaign promises from the last time.

        And they'll vote for Sanders over Trump at this point. But Trump over Bloomberg. Or they'll stay home. Trump's best shot is for the former.
        , @Moral Stone
        Bloomberg’s biggest issue is that he’s running against himself in a way his democratic opponents, or particularly trump, can exploit. He wants to talk gun control? Great, let’s talk about his successful and fairly popular stop and frisk policy. Except now he has to repudiate it, because he’s running as a Democrat. He can’t credibly talk about middle America job creation when opponents run ads of him calling farmers stupid and saying he could teach people to farm, so he probably has to start walking those technocratic statements back too. Etc etc.
        , @Gabe Ruth
        If I didn't know better I'd think your first line was sarcasm. Yeah, mini-Mike's got nothing to do with neoliberalism, got it. Even made his money the old fashioned way I'm sure.
      30. Bloomberg is a stiff. Money can only go so far. And really he will be the establishment candidate defending the old status quo.

        Perhaps Bloomberg’s money does carry him to the nomination. Problem though is the Dems are now divided between the Bernie/AOC socialists and the establishment. And it’s a matter of time until said socialists raise his MeToo issues, which are legion. And how do they square any of that?

        Bloomberg is no great debater. He’s a prickly pear of a man who thinks he’s above being questioned about anything.

        His campaign slogan “Mike Will Do It”. Do what exactly? This may be be uneven economy financed with debt. it’s still better than anything we have had in a very long time. The Wall is rising and there is hope Trump extricates us from empire. Again, Mike will do ….? The assumption is Trump is the devil. If that’s all they have , show me the state Trump loses from 2016.

      31. Nonsense.

        Bloomberg is so far looking more like Ross Perot than a genuine threat to win the nomination. He’s exceedingly thin skinned and wholly unprepared to mix it up in a real campaign. There is a good chance his campaign peaks tonight when he scurries onto the debate stage.

        Right now, Bloomberg is just an idea. He is an imaginary candidate into which disaffected Democrats can pour their aspirations. When he is made flesh, those fans are not going to be as enamored with him, because he will not be what they imagined. Think about what happened to Fred Thompson years ago when he jumped into the GOP race.

        Now, maybe Bloomberg turns into Cicero tonight and wows the audience. We live in a strange age, so anything can happen. That’s not the way to bet though.

        • Replies: @ChrisZ

        He’s exceedingly thin skinned and wholly unprepared to mix it up in a real campaign.
         
        To build on this insight:

        Bloomberg is very talented and deployed that talent as NYC mayor. I remember he'd do a live radio call in show every Friday, where he showed an impressive command of information, and showed no compunction about deflating the usual weirdos who would call in. BUT that worked when he was center stage, and not in an adversarial situation.

        His "signature" initiatives as mayor, like outlawing the Big Gulp, were mostly dumb virtue signals: the kind of rules you enact to justify your position when everything's running smoothly on automatic. Again, he mostly avoided policy fights of great consequence, where there would be real opposition.

        He was granted a third term, which was a distinction denied to Rudy. Even so, I was surprised at how thin Bloomberg's margins of victory were on re-election. By way of contrast, when Rudy ran for a second term against Ruth Messenger, Manhattan Borough president and a bona fide (((Upper West Side Liberal))), he doggedly (and ruthlessly) campaigned to garner every possible vote, and crushed her in the election. (What great days!) Bloomy ran in his final bid against a City Council nobody, and only eked out a victory.

        It showed me he's not much of a fighter, at least in politics. He won't condescend to the rough-and-tumble of retail campaigning, and prefers to set up or exploit the conditions that will allow him to coast to an easy win. That would be his undoing in a match-up against Pres. Trump, I think; I can't imagine that advanced age has changed Bloomberg in this regard.
      32. @Jack D
        It's hard to pin the sins of the managerial class on Bloomberg. It's not like he was the president of GM and ran it and its jobs into the ground and moved the factories to Mexico and China. He personally has been a job creator and basically created a new industry, employing 20,000 high paid people, where none existed before.

        One of the reasons why Hillary's (and Biden's) message of "choose me, I'm the competent, sane one" didn't resonate was that it was pretty clearly a lie. Bloomberg really does have a track record of competence in industry and in government.

        Bernie's "you have nothing to lose but your chains" message resonates with Millennials who really do have nothing to lose but their minimum wage part time jobs at Starbucks, but most Americans are not in that category. The white working class voters in the Midwest who swung toward Trump in 2016 are not lifelong loyal Republicans. They voted for Obama before they voted for Trump. And Trump has not exactly overdelivered on his campaign promises from the last time.

        Except Bloomberg is now repudiating his most important managerial success, following Giuliani’s lead in keeping NYC safe from street crime.

        • Replies: @ChrisZ
        His position as the follow-up to Rudy was the key to Bloomberg's success, and he's foolish to repudiate it now. Very few voters in NYC cast their ballots in favor of Bloomberg per se; they voted to keep the Rudy era going, but without the hard edges and abrasiveness of Rudy himself. They voted to keep the gains of the previous eight years in the safe hands of a technocratic manager--and keep the hands of the New York kookocracy off of the policies that undergirded the good times.

        Maybe that suggests a frutiful strategy he could pursue against President Trump? Instead of railing against the President's policies, simply co-opt them and announce that he'll keep the "good times" rolling--but as a boring manager, without all the drama and vulgarity.

        It's laughable to think he'd ever do that. But I'm pretty certain there are a lot of money Liberals who are secretly looking for just such an accommodation.
      33. All Trump has to do is keep playing Bloomberg’s observations about American farmers over and over again, and Bloomberg is toast. Oregon, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, New Mexico all come into play now.

        Not to mention, whether they will admit it or not, there are basically several million people who wont vote for a Jew (fwiw, many of them Urban Sophisticates). The Dems would be even more suicidally incompetent with the Gnome than they were with Hillary.

        • Replies: @Bugg
        Wondering how the Coalition of Fringes reconciles that as of today despite their love of diversity and people of color, the 2 Dem frontrunners are rich elderly Jewish guys from the northeast.
        , @Anonymouse
        Then how come the Jewish Sanders is running so far ahead of the other Dem. candidates?
      34. @eD
        Bloomberg did win three elections as Mayor of New York, which is three more elections than Trump won before running for President. However he outspent his opponents by ridiculous amounts and also had the favorable free media coverage advantage in all of them. Parts of the Democratic machine even supported them in at least one of the elections. But two of those elections were close, in one the margin was razor thin. I suspect this won't work in national elections. Bloomberg's spending in those races was of a scale that he could have just given each New York voter a substantial amount directly to vote for him. Trump was outspent by a substantial margin in the 2016 general election.

        While Bloomberg has the advantage over Trump in that Bloomberg really is a billionaire, Trump's policy positions are actually pretty popular.

        The fact that Bloomberg, running on either the Republican or an independent line, was able to beat Democrats 3 times in a row really says something. Democrats outnumber Republicans 5 to 1 in NYC so to overcome that advantage, even by a thin margin, is amazing. The last Republican mayor of Chicago was elected in 1927.

        • Replies: @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

        The fact that Bloomberg, running on either the Republican or an independent line, was able to beat Democrats 3 times in a row really says something. Democrats outnumber Republicans 5 to 1 in NYC so to overcome that advantage, even by a thin margin, is amazing. The last Republican mayor of Chicago was elected in 1927.
         
        You're forgetting some history here, I think. NYC in the early nineties wasn't looking very good, particularly under the reign of Dinkins, and Giuliani took advantage of the fact that the old line Democratic brand was associated with urban decay and dysfunction. Giuliani was able to surf the wave of urban crime reduction which began in about 1994 (around when he took the office) and publicize new proactive policing policies which really did return luster to many of the jewels of New York - notably Times Square.

        Bloomberg effectively ran as a continuation of Giuliani's policies (i.e., low crime, civil services), so he took on the Republican party affiliation of Giuliani for as long as he found it beneficial, and then dropped it when the National brand became a drag.

        Of course now that the bad old days have been forgotten in NYC and other urban centers - particularly by new residents gentrifying old neighborhoods who were themselves raised in suburbs - the criminal coddling policies of the past are making a comeback, and you'll expect the cycle of urban decay and crime to repeat.
        , @eD
        "The fact that Bloomberg, running on either the Republican or an independent line, was able to beat Democrats 3 times in a row really says something. Democrats outnumber Republicans 5 to 1 in NYC so to overcome that advantage, even by a thin margin, is amazing. The last Republican mayor of Chicago was elected in 1927."

        This is actually a furphy. Other than the awkward part about Bloomberg being a Democrat who was using the New York state GOP as a flag of convenience -I think he had even deregistered by the party by the time of his third election- New York City had Republican mayors for a majority of the years between 1933 and 2013 (40 out of 70 years). The dates are a bit cherrypicked, but that is still a substantial fraction of the time since greater New York was incorporated in 1898. You could argue that Lindsay's second term shouldn't count, since he ran on the Liberal line and there was a Republican candidate opposing him, but then you could argue that Koch's second term should count since he was formally the Republican nominee as well as the Democratic nominee.

        In fact even in mayoral elections the Democrats won, the Republican candidate usually got a respectable vote percentage, the big exception being 1976, which was a contest between Koch running as a Democrat and Cuomo running as a Liberal, and the GOP backed Koch despite there being nominally a separate Republican candidate. NYC politically has something of the New England tradition (as do the other Mid Atlantic states to some extent) of electing Republicans to the chief executive office and Democrats for everything else.
      35. Speaking of minimum wage, is Bloomie in favor of the concept of a minimum wage? If he does, he is a liar.

      36. I have something to say to the people all bothered about Mr. Bloomberg’s race-neutral gun grabbing.

        Look people. Politics is all about getting people to agree with at least part of the things you believe in. Much of the beliefs in the Steve-o-sphere are in the “no right-thinking person category.” iSteve likes to notice people in the right-thinking person camp who are engaging in our kind of Crimethink. iSteve is not telling you to vote for them. What iSteve is trying to tell us that the things he is noticing are so fact-based, so compelling that even right-thinking persons are starting to believe them. Or maybe that a guy in the Inner Party always agreed with iSteve but is engaged in Doublethink.

        To the next commenter who goes “muh 2nd Amendment!”, Mr. Bloomberg is indeed one of the most virulent gun grabbers out there. I get that. I also get that he is a Green New Deal nutter. The interesting thing to be noticed is that a person who is so “right-thinking” on guns and SUVs crossed over into Crimethink on diversity. Can’t iSteve notice this without people around here popping a cork?

      37. I don’t have any predictions to offer, I just appreciate how Bloomberg appears to be honest when he says he’s running because Trump is now president. The two are American billionaires, supreme adepts of (capitalist, competitive) individualism, who will soon leave for greener pastures, who will transcend our vain existence, but Trump can claim he got to be president, while Bloomberg, for now, cannot, and he understandably dislikes being outdone like that. Why can Trump have something Bloomberg doesn’t have — the American presidency? At the very least, Bloomberg should have it as well! He, too, wants that extra trophy.

      38. Isn’t mini-Mike too short to get elected? Perhaps that’s why he was considering Hillary as a running-mate. He needed somebody shorter than he is.

        Still he seems to be giving it the old Wall Street try.

        Mike is trying to buy the Presidency with his money.

        Bernie is trying to buy the Presidency with your money.

        • Agree: Precious
        • LOL: Abe
      39. After the release of the interview in which Bloomberg actually *notices* the reasons for the disparities between POCs and Whites/Asians, I’d like to see if the other Democratic nominees are willing to recount the actual content of his statements… or just reference it as “racist thoughtcrime”.

        If the actual content of Bloomberg’s statements was debated… the result might be interesting. Therefore I believe they will just condemn the interview while carefully avoiding discussing whether the content is valid or not.

        I’m hoping (probably vainly) for some fireworks tonight…

      40. @Jack D
        It would work better if Bloomberg's fortune was built off of supermarkets or something that blacks could relate to. Overcharging other Wall St. millionaires for their terminals does not excite the proletariat. It would be nice if Bernie would let his inner Hugo Chavez come out - Expropriate the Expropriators! , but it's not going to happen. His job now is to talk about bread and butter issues that poll well with blacks - free healthcare, free college, free housing, free everything! If there's anything that black voters like, it's free stuff. Blacks in America don't believe in "kill my neighbor's horse" like jealous Russian peasants. They don't hate the rich. They want their own horse. Hell, make it a Cadillac!

        Does anyone here know what a Bloomberg Terminal really is?

        When you hear the word “terminal”, you think that Bloomberg-the-company is overcharging for one of those toilet-bowl-shaped VT100 “dumb terminals” connected by a phone connection to an IBM computer at a central locations when everyone else has changed to the Internet.

        Wikipedia describes a Bloomberg Terminal as a Web app that runs on a PC with a half-dozen displays filling half a wall. The Bloomberg Terminal app looks like the control panel to the starship Enterprise if the TOS wasn’t filmed on such a low budget.

        Before the Internet, the high-technology thing was the telephone. Who here has seen one of these old movies where a “stock trader” was a guy who had a dozen phones on his desk, and when each one rings he picks it up and barks into the receive, “Buy!” or “Sell!” Today’s financial trader has a half dozen 4K monitors in front of the desk showing real-time squiggles of all the markets and is clicking on “Buy!” or “Sell!” That is the Bloomberg Terminal.

        The closest thing may be the lock on the computer database market held by Larry Ellison. An Oracle database is the industrial-strength pro-model of the toy database software you might run on your PC to keep track of who has paid their dues to the Cub Scouts. If you work for a big enough company, your employee record is probably in an Oracle Database. So Larry and Mike are kinda, roughly, the same kind of billionaire who managed to get a first-mover monopoly lock on an expensive software program that works behind-the-scenes and the average person doesn’t encounter directly, sort of the opposite of Facebook or Microsoft Office.

        • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
        "An Oracle database is the industrial-strength pro-model of the toy database software you might run on your PC to keep track of who has paid their dues to the Cub Scouts. If you work for a big enough company, your employee record is probably in an Oracle Database."

        The last time I looked you could download a version of Oracle to play with at home, not for commercial use but you could stick an Access front-end on it to monitor dues-paying or whatever (I was doing something similar in the commercial world to create test databases six or seven years ago).
        , @onetwothree
        Oracle has a lock on nothing except ancient legacy systems, and not even there really. It's cheaper to keep it than migrate--sometimes.
        , @Autochthon
        I've operated Bloomberg terminals. They are nifty, but you are significantly over-egging the pudding.

        And Oracle? Oracle?!

        If you work for a big enough company and it is not 1990, your important, large databases use out-of-the box software (like SAP), they are outsourced using cloud software (e.g.Amazon Web Services), or you build them with PostgreSQL

        https://youtu.be/i0TtGqcHmVQ
      41. @Jack D
        The fact that Bloomberg, running on either the Republican or an independent line, was able to beat Democrats 3 times in a row really says something. Democrats outnumber Republicans 5 to 1 in NYC so to overcome that advantage, even by a thin margin, is amazing. The last Republican mayor of Chicago was elected in 1927.

        The fact that Bloomberg, running on either the Republican or an independent line, was able to beat Democrats 3 times in a row really says something. Democrats outnumber Republicans 5 to 1 in NYC so to overcome that advantage, even by a thin margin, is amazing. The last Republican mayor of Chicago was elected in 1927.

        You’re forgetting some history here, I think. NYC in the early nineties wasn’t looking very good, particularly under the reign of Dinkins, and Giuliani took advantage of the fact that the old line Democratic brand was associated with urban decay and dysfunction. Giuliani was able to surf the wave of urban crime reduction which began in about 1994 (around when he took the office) and publicize new proactive policing policies which really did return luster to many of the jewels of New York – notably Times Square.

        Bloomberg effectively ran as a continuation of Giuliani’s policies (i.e., low crime, civil services), so he took on the Republican party affiliation of Giuliani for as long as he found it beneficial, and then dropped it when the National brand became a drag.

        Of course now that the bad old days have been forgotten in NYC and other urban centers – particularly by new residents gentrifying old neighborhoods who were themselves raised in suburbs – the criminal coddling policies of the past are making a comeback, and you’ll expect the cycle of urban decay and crime to repeat.

      42. @eD
        I find political theories based off of Donald Trump's legendary defeat of Hillary Clinton in 2016 run into the insuperable difficulty that Trump got fewer votes than Clinton.

        How many Clinton votes came from illegals and dead people?

      43. Trump will not enjoy the Bugs Bunny advantage this time around,

        Why not? Trump is still the outsider, still the free-thinker crashing up against the system. Granted, he has managed only to tweak the system at the margins and hasn’t blown it to bits as many of us hoped. Hell, he hasn’t even put a single of the conspirators against him into jail (while people on his side were routinely jailed for abjectly fake process crimes).

        Trump’s problem isn’t the tweeting and “tantrums” — those are his greatest strength. That’s Trump constantly letting the world know how corrupt the system really is, including the media. Trump doesn’t even really have tantrums, he just gets pissed — the media has tantrums in response and paints Trump in their own colors.

        Trump’s real problem is that he’s weak. Time and again he defers to process and following the rules, rather than just doing what the hell he wants, like Obama did. By now Trump should have told a dozen nobody judges to get soaked and openly defied their rulings. But no, it’s always follow-the-rules with Trump, and for this he gets painted by the media as an unhinged dictator. He can’t even get his own Justice Department to prosecute people for 100% known lies to the FBI, Congress, etc. Weak.

        Debates will be interesting though, since the stupidest knock on Trump is that he’s “not that intelligent.” He’s about ten times as intelligent as any President since, I dunno, Coolidge probably. The Democrats have a field of dunces, other than Bloomberg. But Bloomberg will be constrained by having to play to the Left. It’s all going to be very interesting, but my guess is vote fraud will insure Trump loses in just enough states to lose re-election. Combating vote fraud is another area where he’s been weak. By now he should have completely blown-up the fraud and vote harvesters. Hundreds of people should be in jail, if not thousands. Nothing has happened.

        • Replies: @Precious
        Trump’s real problem is that he’s weak. Time and again he defers to process and following the rules, rather than just doing what the hell he wants, like Obama did. By now Trump should have told a dozen nobody judges to get soaked and openly defied their rulings. But no, it’s always follow-the-rules with Trump, and for this he gets painted by the media as an unhinged dictator. He can’t even get his own Justice Department to prosecute people for 100% known lies to the FBI, Congress, etc. Weak.

        He is in the process of saving the US Constitutional system, not destroying it and starting over from scratch.

        You are absolutely correct, he doesn't want to go the lawless Obama route. He wants to leave the US government better than he found it.

        And people like McCabe aren't going to jail on perjury charges, Durham is going to hit them with much more serious charges.
        , @MBlanc46
        Got to agree with you on the vote fraud. The Dems will steal this one.
        , @snorlax
        The thing is that there are no rules for Democrats, whereas when a Republican gets fed up and decides to start doing what the hell he wants (Nixon with Watergate, Reagan with Iran/Contra, even to an extent Trump with Ukraine/Biden) the permanent bureaucracy is always there to make sure it blows up in his face.
      44. @Jack D
        It's hard to pin the sins of the managerial class on Bloomberg. It's not like he was the president of GM and ran it and its jobs into the ground and moved the factories to Mexico and China. He personally has been a job creator and basically created a new industry, employing 20,000 high paid people, where none existed before.

        One of the reasons why Hillary's (and Biden's) message of "choose me, I'm the competent, sane one" didn't resonate was that it was pretty clearly a lie. Bloomberg really does have a track record of competence in industry and in government.

        Bernie's "you have nothing to lose but your chains" message resonates with Millennials who really do have nothing to lose but their minimum wage part time jobs at Starbucks, but most Americans are not in that category. The white working class voters in the Midwest who swung toward Trump in 2016 are not lifelong loyal Republicans. They voted for Obama before they voted for Trump. And Trump has not exactly overdelivered on his campaign promises from the last time.

        It’s hard to pin the sins of the managerial class on Bloomberg. It’s not like he was the president of GM and ran it and its jobs into the ground and moved the factories to Mexico and China. He personally has been a job creator and basically created a new industry, employing 20,000 high paid people, where none existed before.

        Didn’t Bloomberg basically just publish a digital Racing Form for people who make money from money rather than money from horses?

        Perhaps it was a genius invention to weaponize information, but he’s still making his money as a parasite of the larger industry of people who make money from money. I know that there are arguments in favor of the necessities of these markets for pricing stability, but at some level they’re necessary evils rather than unalloyed goods.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        Maybe to a hard line Communist, Bloomberg is a parasite of the eevil financial industry, but even in China they have a stock market and use Bloomberg services (or their equivalent). You'd have to go to Cuba or N. Korea to find a place where they are not needed. In the '60s, Communist visionaries imagined that data networks (similar to Bloombergs but of course state owned) could provide supply and demand signalling and capital allocation information that was lacking in Marxist economies due to the lack of market mechanisms, so that even under Socialism you would need the equivalent of a Bloomberg network (except without the part where he got $60 billion for putting it together).

        To the average voter, what Bloomberg did is at worst neutral (to the extent that they even understand it). It could have been much worse - he could have been some kind of private equity guy like Romney who specialized in closing factories and sending their jobs to China. He could have been in some consumer facing business where he did really eeevil things like loaning money to black people and insisting that they pay it back or selling them unhealthy food. As we know, the "activist" base is furiously searching the archives to find dirt on Bloomberg. So far when it comes to his actual business (and not how he "sexually harassed" females - or is he secretly gay - pick one) they have found remarkably little to criticize (that would resonate with a sane person).
        , @Bill Jones
        Augustus De Morgan summarized Bloomberg nicely in Siphonaptera

        "Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite 'em,
        And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum."

        Bloomberg is a greatly engorged lesser flea.
      45. @Jack D
        It's hard to pin the sins of the managerial class on Bloomberg. It's not like he was the president of GM and ran it and its jobs into the ground and moved the factories to Mexico and China. He personally has been a job creator and basically created a new industry, employing 20,000 high paid people, where none existed before.

        One of the reasons why Hillary's (and Biden's) message of "choose me, I'm the competent, sane one" didn't resonate was that it was pretty clearly a lie. Bloomberg really does have a track record of competence in industry and in government.

        Bernie's "you have nothing to lose but your chains" message resonates with Millennials who really do have nothing to lose but their minimum wage part time jobs at Starbucks, but most Americans are not in that category. The white working class voters in the Midwest who swung toward Trump in 2016 are not lifelong loyal Republicans. They voted for Obama before they voted for Trump. And Trump has not exactly overdelivered on his campaign promises from the last time.

        >One of the reasons why Hillary’s (and Biden’s) message of “choose me, I’m the competent, sane one” didn’t resonate was that it was pretty clearly a lie. Bloomberg really does have a track record of competence in industry and in government.

        I don’t doubt he’s more personally competent than Donald Trump-or Barack Obama, or George W. Bush, for that matter. But that’s completely immaterial. He reeks of epitomizing a decaying age, a decaying system. He is vulnerable, all the moreso because he’s doesn’t think he is: he’s being fellated by everything “mainstream” in America, like Clinton before him and doesn’t think his skeletons can be used against him. His dealings with the Chinese and rather non-subtle admiration for their system could be particularly embarrassing, given recent events.

        And I’ve done a systematic check for potential soundbites that could harm him: I’ve come across things that would help piss off every single two-bit fringe group that’ll converge on Milwaukee this summer. The voting populace is not inoculated against such things, with the MSM openly embracing Bloomberg, unlike Trump. Plainly speaking, if Trump can’t successfully help the convention into a great, big embarrassing inferno, he’s even more of a jackass than I thought and doesn’t deserve to win, especially given how Bloomberg is being given a pass on much of the traditional nomination norms. (And if Sanders plays softball again, he’s even more of a pu**y than I thought, and he doesn’t deserve to win.)

        >Bernie’s “you have nothing to lose but your chains” message resonates with Millennials who really do have nothing to lose but their minimum wage part time jobs at Starbucks, but most Americans are not in that category.

        It’ll resonate more when they see Bloomberg’s neo-feudal student loan plans, but that’s only a nice-add on, given the fickle voting habits of the young. With the hollowing out of the middle class, the upper-middle class has demographically exploded. But not as much as the downwardly mobile did. That’s the vital, target demographic, right there, the ones inclined to be against the status quo in any case. More of them exist than those who profited from the past few decades. It didn’t matter that Obama bailed out Wall Street when the GOP decided to nominate Mitt Romney. Trump’s best shot is trying to be a lesser evil.

        > They voted for Obama before they voted for Trump. And Trump has not exactly overdelivered on his campaign promises from the last time.

        And they’ll vote for Sanders over Trump at this point. But Trump over Bloomberg. Or they’ll stay home. Trump’s best shot is for the former.

        • Replies: @Jack D

        I’ve come across things that would help piss off every single two-bit fringe group that’ll converge on Milwaukee this summer.
         
        Bloomberg is clearly not the candidate of choice for the activist base. The problem is that they guy that they really like is (at least I hope he is, for America's sake) unelectable. The Dems are going to end up in a Corbyn situation if they pick Sanders. A wildly enthusiastic Leftist still only gets one vote no matter how wildly enthusiastic he is. As others have pointed out, if Bloomberg would stop apologizing and pandering to these fringe groups, this would make him MORE popular among mainstream voters.

        With Bloomberg, as you say, Trump's best bet is that the activist base stays home because they are unenthusiastic about Bloomberg. I understand that many people in America are alienated from mainstream candidates (much more than the elites really understand) but there are not a lot of unconverted voters left for Trump aside from those who voted for him last time. Just because you are alienated doesn't automatically make you a Trump voter.
        , @The Wild Geese Howard

        And they’ll vote for Sanders over Trump at this point. But Trump over Bloomberg.
         
        I think one thing that's really being overlooked is that there's a significant chance that voting for Sanders or Bloomberg is really a vote for their VP. Both of them are at an age where their ticker could just say, "Hey, that's enough."

        The same argument could be made for Trump, but I would counter that with how well he's held up over three years of constant hate from the Establishment and at least half the populace.

        This makes it clear Trump is made of very stern stuff. I have no idea how he sleeps at night, or doesn't get trapped in fantasies of having sailed off on his yacht instead of dealing with this mess.
        , @Anon
        Nebulfox:

        Have you put these embarrassing sound-bites in the hands of someone who could use them?
        , @Paleo Liberal
        From some of Steve’s earlier posts, specifically the one about wages of IQ 120 people in different ethnic groups, it appears the growth of the upper middle class has been pretty much entirely due to immigration.

        If anything, the white upper middle class has declined slightly. And the “talented tenth” blacks have really taken a punch to the gut or slightly below.

        A lot of the white upper middle class families from a generation ago are keeping their middle class kids above water; helping pay for down payments on homes and college tuition for the grandchildren, as well as helping out when their kids get laid off. The only reason the children of the past generations’ upper middle class are doing okay in life is because of the family support system.

        And when young people today graduate out into what were once middle to upper middle class careers — STEM fields, for example — they won’t have the comfortably well off parents to help them as they compete with Asian immigrants.
      46. @Jack D
        It's hard to pin the sins of the managerial class on Bloomberg. It's not like he was the president of GM and ran it and its jobs into the ground and moved the factories to Mexico and China. He personally has been a job creator and basically created a new industry, employing 20,000 high paid people, where none existed before.

        One of the reasons why Hillary's (and Biden's) message of "choose me, I'm the competent, sane one" didn't resonate was that it was pretty clearly a lie. Bloomberg really does have a track record of competence in industry and in government.

        Bernie's "you have nothing to lose but your chains" message resonates with Millennials who really do have nothing to lose but their minimum wage part time jobs at Starbucks, but most Americans are not in that category. The white working class voters in the Midwest who swung toward Trump in 2016 are not lifelong loyal Republicans. They voted for Obama before they voted for Trump. And Trump has not exactly overdelivered on his campaign promises from the last time.

        Bloomberg’s biggest issue is that he’s running against himself in a way his democratic opponents, or particularly trump, can exploit. He wants to talk gun control? Great, let’s talk about his successful and fairly popular stop and frisk policy. Except now he has to repudiate it, because he’s running as a Democrat. He can’t credibly talk about middle America job creation when opponents run ads of him calling farmers stupid and saying he could teach people to farm, so he probably has to start walking those technocratic statements back too. Etc etc.

      47. @eD
        Bloomberg did win three elections as Mayor of New York, which is three more elections than Trump won before running for President. However he outspent his opponents by ridiculous amounts and also had the favorable free media coverage advantage in all of them. Parts of the Democratic machine even supported them in at least one of the elections. But two of those elections were close, in one the margin was razor thin. I suspect this won't work in national elections. Bloomberg's spending in those races was of a scale that he could have just given each New York voter a substantial amount directly to vote for him. Trump was outspent by a substantial margin in the 2016 general election.

        While Bloomberg has the advantage over Trump in that Bloomberg really is a billionaire, Trump's policy positions are actually pretty popular.
      48. @Jack D
        It would work better if Bloomberg's fortune was built off of supermarkets or something that blacks could relate to. Overcharging other Wall St. millionaires for their terminals does not excite the proletariat. It would be nice if Bernie would let his inner Hugo Chavez come out - Expropriate the Expropriators! , but it's not going to happen. His job now is to talk about bread and butter issues that poll well with blacks - free healthcare, free college, free housing, free everything! If there's anything that black voters like, it's free stuff. Blacks in America don't believe in "kill my neighbor's horse" like jealous Russian peasants. They don't hate the rich. They want their own horse. Hell, make it a Cadillac!

        Overcharging other Wall St. millionaires for their terminals does not excite the proletariat.

        Not by that much – Reuters Thomson costs $22K per year. Bloomberg costs $24K.

      49. @Jack D
        The fact that Bloomberg, running on either the Republican or an independent line, was able to beat Democrats 3 times in a row really says something. Democrats outnumber Republicans 5 to 1 in NYC so to overcome that advantage, even by a thin margin, is amazing. The last Republican mayor of Chicago was elected in 1927.

        “The fact that Bloomberg, running on either the Republican or an independent line, was able to beat Democrats 3 times in a row really says something. Democrats outnumber Republicans 5 to 1 in NYC so to overcome that advantage, even by a thin margin, is amazing. The last Republican mayor of Chicago was elected in 1927.”

        This is actually a furphy. Other than the awkward part about Bloomberg being a Democrat who was using the New York state GOP as a flag of convenience -I think he had even deregistered by the party by the time of his third election- New York City had Republican mayors for a majority of the years between 1933 and 2013 (40 out of 70 years). The dates are a bit cherrypicked, but that is still a substantial fraction of the time since greater New York was incorporated in 1898. You could argue that Lindsay’s second term shouldn’t count, since he ran on the Liberal line and there was a Republican candidate opposing him, but then you could argue that Koch’s second term should count since he was formally the Republican nominee as well as the Democratic nominee.

        In fact even in mayoral elections the Democrats won, the Republican candidate usually got a respectable vote percentage, the big exception being 1976, which was a contest between Koch running as a Democrat and Cuomo running as a Liberal, and the GOP backed Koch despite there being nominally a separate Republican candidate. NYC politically has something of the New England tradition (as do the other Mid Atlantic states to some extent) of electing Republicans to the chief executive office and Democrats for everything else.

        • Replies: @keypusher
        As with so many places in America, in NYC it is a waste of time to talk about elections in LaGuardia's time in NYC as a predictor for what's happening now, given the racial transformation of the population.
        , @ScarletNumber

        New York City had Republican mayors for a majority of the years between 1933 and 2013 (40 out of 70 years)
         
        Except that 1933 to 2013 is 80 years. So it is 40 out of 80, counting the mayor as being a member of the party he was first elected from.
      50. @countenance
        Bloomy is a sitting duck (pun intended) for Bernie.

        If I was advising Bernie, I'd tell him to say this to Bernie on an upcoming debate stage when they're both there:

        “Your fortune is built off of an immoral if not illegal cartel. [The terminals -- Ed.] You do deserve Federally-funded public housing, but a Federal prison cell instead of the White House. As President, I and the Attorney General and the U.S. Attorney for southern New York appoint will see to it that that happens.”

        Bloomy will never know what hit him, and will never be able to recover. It’ll be just like Tulsi Gabbard taking down Kamala Harris. The assembled crowd might cheer and hoot and holler for a half hour continuously, and it may even effectively seal the nomination for Bernie.

        I’ve said a few times I don’t think Bernie has the grit to fight at this level, and I stand by that. His success to this point has more to do with his supporters and what he stands for, rather than him as a candidate.

        IMHO, Bloomberg has the bigger problem tonight that there are four other candidates whose best shot at revivifying their campaigns right now probably is to beat him up as a stand in for Trump to show that they can take on Trump. He might benefit, however, if they all try to dogpile on and turn the entire debate into a showcase for him.

      51. @eD
        I find political theories based off of Donald Trump's legendary defeat of Hillary Clinton in 2016 run into the insuperable difficulty that Trump got fewer votes than Clinton.

        If Clinton had got fewer votes and won?

      52. What a maroon.

        Bugs Bunny is the confident, streetwise manipulator and escape artist. He’s always eager to wave the flag and beat the drum and crack wise (in an outer-borough accent, no less), and he enjoys baiting his opponents into mistakes.

        Elmer Fudd is the glum I’ve-got-you-now pursuer, perpetually convinced that this time, his superior firepower will win the day and finally get for him what he is sure he deserves. He is driven in his anger to take the bait (always), and outraged when his schemes fall apart.

        Correlation of these archetypes to contemporary American political figures is left as an exercise for the reader.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        I have no idea what you are talking about but it's a little known fact that Elmer's full name is Elmer Pelosi Fudd.
      53. OT:

        (((They’re))) trying to scare the normiecucks into compliance:

        What is the ‘boogaloo?’

        https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/what-boogaloo-how-online-calls-violent-uprising-are-getting-organized-n1138461

        Also, the next Nippy Hu$$ie got waxed in a Hollywood Hills home invasion.

      54. @nebulafox
        No. I think Bloomberg is going to make the same mistake as with Clinton. Where Bloomberg sees himself as presenting the model of professional, effective, and smoothly packaged leadership, much of the nation will see him instead as the ultimate paragon of a managerial class that has still largely suffered no consequences for their track record of utter venality, incompetence, and failure over the past quarter century.

        Whether Trump is intelligent enough to effectively take advantage of that in the event of a Bloomberg nomination is up for debate, as is whether Sanders has it in him to go for Bloomberg's jugular and put the DNC under the pressure of the mob. But that doesn't change the implication that the DNC has learned nothing from 2016. And in fairness, given how they view the 2016 election, how can they? To learn that lesson would completely undermine their self-image and narrative. After all, They Didn't Really Lose, because they got more yards, even if they scored less points...

        It's also brutally apparent that the mental gap between how our elites-economic, political, and media-view themselves and how much of the voting populace views them has never been greater. This will have interesting consequences going forward.

        After all, They Didn’t Really Lose, because they got more yards, even if they scored less points…

        Heh, my alma mater’s fanbase clung to that same argument for a number of years with regard to the football team.

        “But we totally scored more YARDZ!! We’re the REAL winners!”

        Morons.

      55. @nebulafox
        >One of the reasons why Hillary’s (and Biden’s) message of “choose me, I’m the competent, sane one” didn’t resonate was that it was pretty clearly a lie. Bloomberg really does have a track record of competence in industry and in government.

        I don't doubt he's more personally competent than Donald Trump-or Barack Obama, or George W. Bush, for that matter. But that's completely immaterial. He reeks of epitomizing a decaying age, a decaying system. He is vulnerable, all the moreso because he's doesn't think he is: he's being fellated by everything "mainstream" in America, like Clinton before him and doesn't think his skeletons can be used against him. His dealings with the Chinese and rather non-subtle admiration for their system could be particularly embarrassing, given recent events.

        And I've done a systematic check for potential soundbites that could harm him: I've come across things that would help piss off every single two-bit fringe group that'll converge on Milwaukee this summer. The voting populace is not inoculated against such things, with the MSM openly embracing Bloomberg, unlike Trump. Plainly speaking, if Trump can't successfully help the convention into a great, big embarrassing inferno, he's even more of a jackass than I thought and doesn't deserve to win, especially given how Bloomberg is being given a pass on much of the traditional nomination norms. (And if Sanders plays softball again, he's even more of a pu**y than I thought, and he doesn't deserve to win.)

        >Bernie’s “you have nothing to lose but your chains” message resonates with Millennials who really do have nothing to lose but their minimum wage part time jobs at Starbucks, but most Americans are not in that category.

        It'll resonate more when they see Bloomberg's neo-feudal student loan plans, but that's only a nice-add on, given the fickle voting habits of the young. With the hollowing out of the middle class, the upper-middle class has demographically exploded. But not as much as the downwardly mobile did. That's the vital, target demographic, right there, the ones inclined to be against the status quo in any case. More of them exist than those who profited from the past few decades. It didn't matter that Obama bailed out Wall Street when the GOP decided to nominate Mitt Romney. Trump's best shot is trying to be a lesser evil.

        > They voted for Obama before they voted for Trump. And Trump has not exactly overdelivered on his campaign promises from the last time.

        And they'll vote for Sanders over Trump at this point. But Trump over Bloomberg. Or they'll stay home. Trump's best shot is for the former.

        I’ve come across things that would help piss off every single two-bit fringe group that’ll converge on Milwaukee this summer.

        Bloomberg is clearly not the candidate of choice for the activist base. The problem is that they guy that they really like is (at least I hope he is, for America’s sake) unelectable. The Dems are going to end up in a Corbyn situation if they pick Sanders. A wildly enthusiastic Leftist still only gets one vote no matter how wildly enthusiastic he is. As others have pointed out, if Bloomberg would stop apologizing and pandering to these fringe groups, this would make him MORE popular among mainstream voters.

        With Bloomberg, as you say, Trump’s best bet is that the activist base stays home because they are unenthusiastic about Bloomberg. I understand that many people in America are alienated from mainstream candidates (much more than the elites really understand) but there are not a lot of unconverted voters left for Trump aside from those who voted for him last time. Just because you are alienated doesn’t automatically make you a Trump voter.

        • Agree: Johann Ricke
        • Replies: @nebulafox
        Bloomberg's sellability issues go beyond the SJWs and the Bernie Bros, though. Like Hillary Clinton, he clearly disdains average Americans, and he's not hiding that well. In today's political climate, I cannot think of a more exploitable topic.

        For all of Trump's visible, over-the-top self-absorbedness, you never got the impression he despised you: that's what enabled him to actually use the resources his oligarch status gave him successfully. Bloomberg can print out all the slick commercials he likes: he's not going to be able to hide the fact that the DNC is bending all the rules for him and that everything "mainstream" in America is now lauding a situation they'd denounce if this was, say, Eastern Europe. He can still win. But it'll be based off the mistakes of Sanders and Trump, not his own merits.

        >As others have pointed out, if Bloomberg would stop apologizing and pandering to these fringe groups, this would make him MORE popular among mainstream voters.

        What makes him different from Mitt Romney apart from having to mouth Democratic platitudes rather than Republican ones, and that he might have to outright buy the nomination?

        > Just because you are alienated doesn’t automatically make you a Trump voter.

        Which opens the question: can you imagine what a non-clownish GOP insurgent could have been capable of?
      56. @Hodag
        Off topic:.

        They are not making any of the actuary tests easier.

        Why?

        We know why. It is one thing to make medical boards easier or building diversity bridges in Miami. But when actual money is involved you want proven professionals.

        I worked with a guy who had a 2.1 in Maths from a decent uni, but still failed to qualify as an actuary. There comes a point, he said, where not only can’t you work out the answer, but you can’t work out the question either.

        On the other hand he was a good lad and recognisable human being, whereas many (not all) actuaries are that tall nerdy kid at school. A lot of semi-Aspergery types.

        (Actuarial colleague (childless) when it’s dress down for charity day)

        I don’t see the point of these charities taking the kids on adventure holidays or to Disneyland. After all, they’re going to die anyway.

        If the “sexy sons” mating hypothesis is true, it certainly explains why the actuarial Christmas party is never a drunken orgy, more like sherry with the vicar.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        Actuaries are people who wanted to become accountants but didn't have the necessary charisma.
      57. @nebulafox
        >One of the reasons why Hillary’s (and Biden’s) message of “choose me, I’m the competent, sane one” didn’t resonate was that it was pretty clearly a lie. Bloomberg really does have a track record of competence in industry and in government.

        I don't doubt he's more personally competent than Donald Trump-or Barack Obama, or George W. Bush, for that matter. But that's completely immaterial. He reeks of epitomizing a decaying age, a decaying system. He is vulnerable, all the moreso because he's doesn't think he is: he's being fellated by everything "mainstream" in America, like Clinton before him and doesn't think his skeletons can be used against him. His dealings with the Chinese and rather non-subtle admiration for their system could be particularly embarrassing, given recent events.

        And I've done a systematic check for potential soundbites that could harm him: I've come across things that would help piss off every single two-bit fringe group that'll converge on Milwaukee this summer. The voting populace is not inoculated against such things, with the MSM openly embracing Bloomberg, unlike Trump. Plainly speaking, if Trump can't successfully help the convention into a great, big embarrassing inferno, he's even more of a jackass than I thought and doesn't deserve to win, especially given how Bloomberg is being given a pass on much of the traditional nomination norms. (And if Sanders plays softball again, he's even more of a pu**y than I thought, and he doesn't deserve to win.)

        >Bernie’s “you have nothing to lose but your chains” message resonates with Millennials who really do have nothing to lose but their minimum wage part time jobs at Starbucks, but most Americans are not in that category.

        It'll resonate more when they see Bloomberg's neo-feudal student loan plans, but that's only a nice-add on, given the fickle voting habits of the young. With the hollowing out of the middle class, the upper-middle class has demographically exploded. But not as much as the downwardly mobile did. That's the vital, target demographic, right there, the ones inclined to be against the status quo in any case. More of them exist than those who profited from the past few decades. It didn't matter that Obama bailed out Wall Street when the GOP decided to nominate Mitt Romney. Trump's best shot is trying to be a lesser evil.

        > They voted for Obama before they voted for Trump. And Trump has not exactly overdelivered on his campaign promises from the last time.

        And they'll vote for Sanders over Trump at this point. But Trump over Bloomberg. Or they'll stay home. Trump's best shot is for the former.

        And they’ll vote for Sanders over Trump at this point. But Trump over Bloomberg.

        I think one thing that’s really being overlooked is that there’s a significant chance that voting for Sanders or Bloomberg is really a vote for their VP. Both of them are at an age where their ticker could just say, “Hey, that’s enough.”

        The same argument could be made for Trump, but I would counter that with how well he’s held up over three years of constant hate from the Establishment and at least half the populace.

        This makes it clear Trump is made of very stern stuff. I have no idea how he sleeps at night, or doesn’t get trapped in fantasies of having sailed off on his yacht instead of dealing with this mess.

      58. The taller candidate always wins. Bloomberg will never beat Trump, that’s why Trump has already been attacking Bloomberg’s stature in tweets. Someday the Democrats will just make the obvious move and run an NBA star for President.

        • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
        Bill Bradley tried, but lost in the primaries to Al Gore.

        Sometimes the short straw wins. Worked for Carter once.
        , @Lot
        “ The taller candidate always wins.”

        Not in 1992, 2000, or 2004.

        Obama seems to be about half an inch taller than Romney, but Romney looks taller in most photos together because he has straighter posture and a bigger build.
      59. @nebulafox
        >One of the reasons why Hillary’s (and Biden’s) message of “choose me, I’m the competent, sane one” didn’t resonate was that it was pretty clearly a lie. Bloomberg really does have a track record of competence in industry and in government.

        I don't doubt he's more personally competent than Donald Trump-or Barack Obama, or George W. Bush, for that matter. But that's completely immaterial. He reeks of epitomizing a decaying age, a decaying system. He is vulnerable, all the moreso because he's doesn't think he is: he's being fellated by everything "mainstream" in America, like Clinton before him and doesn't think his skeletons can be used against him. His dealings with the Chinese and rather non-subtle admiration for their system could be particularly embarrassing, given recent events.

        And I've done a systematic check for potential soundbites that could harm him: I've come across things that would help piss off every single two-bit fringe group that'll converge on Milwaukee this summer. The voting populace is not inoculated against such things, with the MSM openly embracing Bloomberg, unlike Trump. Plainly speaking, if Trump can't successfully help the convention into a great, big embarrassing inferno, he's even more of a jackass than I thought and doesn't deserve to win, especially given how Bloomberg is being given a pass on much of the traditional nomination norms. (And if Sanders plays softball again, he's even more of a pu**y than I thought, and he doesn't deserve to win.)

        >Bernie’s “you have nothing to lose but your chains” message resonates with Millennials who really do have nothing to lose but their minimum wage part time jobs at Starbucks, but most Americans are not in that category.

        It'll resonate more when they see Bloomberg's neo-feudal student loan plans, but that's only a nice-add on, given the fickle voting habits of the young. With the hollowing out of the middle class, the upper-middle class has demographically exploded. But not as much as the downwardly mobile did. That's the vital, target demographic, right there, the ones inclined to be against the status quo in any case. More of them exist than those who profited from the past few decades. It didn't matter that Obama bailed out Wall Street when the GOP decided to nominate Mitt Romney. Trump's best shot is trying to be a lesser evil.

        > They voted for Obama before they voted for Trump. And Trump has not exactly overdelivered on his campaign promises from the last time.

        And they'll vote for Sanders over Trump at this point. But Trump over Bloomberg. Or they'll stay home. Trump's best shot is for the former.

        Nebulfox:

        Have you put these embarrassing sound-bites in the hands of someone who could use them?

      60. Should be an epic debate: the billionaire vs the Bolshevik; two short guys (and the height challenged lady) taking on the six foot Bernie; Joe Biden sadly looking on as no one attacks him (why bother?). Steyer will try and tout his own $$$ status as an accomplishment and Warren will try waving her arms while crying out, “Look at ME!” Mayor Pete will stake out the middle ground, Mayor Mike play it cool like he’s doing us a favor (the Yang strategy), and Big Bernie will simplify it all: “You’re with the 1% or you’re with us. Pick a side!” I am hoping for a reverse shot from behind the candidates showing fully half the contenders standing on apple boxes.
        Drinking Rules:
        One sip for every claim of “I can beat Trump”
        Healthy shot for every call for unity, support for “whoever is the nominee”
        Chugalug whenever the mayors’ are compared and/or contrasted
        Chugalug whenever the candidates’ fortunes are compared/contrasted
        Extra shot if anyone mentions Bernie’s personal wealth
        Extra shot whenever Joe mentions “Obama” (but only if he says the name)
        If Joe’s eye turns red or teeth fall out, if Bernie grabs his chest and faints, or someone falls off their box: drain the bottle.

        • LOL: Lurker, Old Prude
      61. @nebulafox
        >One of the reasons why Hillary’s (and Biden’s) message of “choose me, I’m the competent, sane one” didn’t resonate was that it was pretty clearly a lie. Bloomberg really does have a track record of competence in industry and in government.

        I don't doubt he's more personally competent than Donald Trump-or Barack Obama, or George W. Bush, for that matter. But that's completely immaterial. He reeks of epitomizing a decaying age, a decaying system. He is vulnerable, all the moreso because he's doesn't think he is: he's being fellated by everything "mainstream" in America, like Clinton before him and doesn't think his skeletons can be used against him. His dealings with the Chinese and rather non-subtle admiration for their system could be particularly embarrassing, given recent events.

        And I've done a systematic check for potential soundbites that could harm him: I've come across things that would help piss off every single two-bit fringe group that'll converge on Milwaukee this summer. The voting populace is not inoculated against such things, with the MSM openly embracing Bloomberg, unlike Trump. Plainly speaking, if Trump can't successfully help the convention into a great, big embarrassing inferno, he's even more of a jackass than I thought and doesn't deserve to win, especially given how Bloomberg is being given a pass on much of the traditional nomination norms. (And if Sanders plays softball again, he's even more of a pu**y than I thought, and he doesn't deserve to win.)

        >Bernie’s “you have nothing to lose but your chains” message resonates with Millennials who really do have nothing to lose but their minimum wage part time jobs at Starbucks, but most Americans are not in that category.

        It'll resonate more when they see Bloomberg's neo-feudal student loan plans, but that's only a nice-add on, given the fickle voting habits of the young. With the hollowing out of the middle class, the upper-middle class has demographically exploded. But not as much as the downwardly mobile did. That's the vital, target demographic, right there, the ones inclined to be against the status quo in any case. More of them exist than those who profited from the past few decades. It didn't matter that Obama bailed out Wall Street when the GOP decided to nominate Mitt Romney. Trump's best shot is trying to be a lesser evil.

        > They voted for Obama before they voted for Trump. And Trump has not exactly overdelivered on his campaign promises from the last time.

        And they'll vote for Sanders over Trump at this point. But Trump over Bloomberg. Or they'll stay home. Trump's best shot is for the former.

        From some of Steve’s earlier posts, specifically the one about wages of IQ 120 people in different ethnic groups, it appears the growth of the upper middle class has been pretty much entirely due to immigration.

        If anything, the white upper middle class has declined slightly. And the “talented tenth” blacks have really taken a punch to the gut or slightly below.

        A lot of the white upper middle class families from a generation ago are keeping their middle class kids above water; helping pay for down payments on homes and college tuition for the grandchildren, as well as helping out when their kids get laid off. The only reason the children of the past generations’ upper middle class are doing okay in life is because of the family support system.

        And when young people today graduate out into what were once middle to upper middle class careers — STEM fields, for example — they won’t have the comfortably well off parents to help them as they compete with Asian immigrants.

        • Replies: @ATBOTL
        This is the most important and interesting comment on this thread. Conflict between whites and asians is growing and will eventually explode. The replacement of the white middle class with asians has already had a devastating impact on younger white Americans. You have this sick phenomenon of some older whites who are aware of things like race realism but who are indifferent to asian migration. There is no future in that thinking. Younger whites have went to school and worked with asians and we have seen how tribal and hostile they are. They want nothing more than to have every white man with a high paying job in America to be replaced with their relatives. Asian pressure groups have long been demanding that more corporate executives and lawyers be asian. They claim that having a lower percentage of Fortune 500 execs or big law partners being asian than the asian representation in STEM or elite colleges is proof of anti-asian discrimination.

        The issue of family and intergenerational wealth is especially relevant here because asian groups form tight extended families and ethnic networks to help each other out economically, while whites do the opposite. We see many white boomers using reverse mortgages to maintain their consumption oriented lifestyles of frivolous spending on things like vacations, credit card debt and eating out, leaving their children with nothing. Meanwhile, asians save their money and buy houses for their children, driving up prices to unaffordable levels in the areas they target for takeovers.

        We now have large asian colonies in the suburbs around LA, SF, NYC and DC. Asian colonies are forming now in the second tier metro areas. Asian migrants played a major role in turning VA blue. We see obnoxiously anti-white young asians flooding the media. The Chinese government frequently uses PC style rhetoric against white countries trying to limit Chinese spying, theft and other bad behavior. India is pressuring white countries to allow Indian migration in exchange for trade agreements.
        , @Reg Cæsar
        When I attended grade school in Honolulu in the mid-'60s, there were no Asians at all in my class.

        The teacher and half my classmates were Japanese, and Chinese numbered about the same as us haoles. There might have been a lone Korean or Philippine. And a good number of mixes.

        But there were no "Asians". Hell, Honolulu was probably more American in 1965 than Madison is today!

        Historically, Asians have made fine Americans in small numbers. No group has made fine Americans in large numbers.

        Large-scale immigration is destabilizing, in all places and at all times. But rarely is that the explicit purpose, as it is now.
      62. @eD
        I find political theories based off of Donald Trump's legendary defeat of Hillary Clinton in 2016 run into the insuperable difficulty that Trump got fewer votes than Clinton.

        Trump got fewer votes than Clinton

        Yeah, but Clinton got lesser votes. She had quantity, he had quality.

        • Agree: Coemgen
        • Replies: @Lot
        I like the way you think!
        , @Cloudbuster
        Best votes ever!
        , @SFG
        Didn't Trump allude to it? "She aimed for the popular vote, I aimed for the electoral vote. We both got what we wanted."
      63. @Peter Akuleyev
        The taller candidate always wins. Bloomberg will never beat Trump, that's why Trump has already been attacking Bloomberg's stature in tweets. Someday the Democrats will just make the obvious move and run an NBA star for President.

        Bill Bradley tried, but lost in the primaries to Al Gore.

        Sometimes the short straw wins. Worked for Carter once.

        • Replies: @Pincher Martin
        Bradley got the least out of his height as any American politician I can think of. He was stoop-shouldered and had a rounded back. And his chin seemed to dip directly into his chest.


        http://thiswastv.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/bradleygore2000.jpg
      64. Bloomberg’s debate performance doesn’t matter unless he comes across as completely incompetent. He can simply run as an independent if he doesn’t get nominated and perhaps win the election as the third candidate and more moderate choice.

        I don’t think he’s funny enough to be Bugs Bunny but he’s no doubt funnier than Trump. For that matter, the comments on this blog trend more dorky than BB caliber but dorks often exhibit poor self monitoring of their jokes along with wardrobe choices, etc.

      65. I got it now. Bloomberg pays your bills.

        • Troll: Cloudbuster
      66. As someone who grew up on Long Island, his NY Jew voice is like nails on a chalkboard.

        Trumpslide 2020.

        • Replies: @Coemgen
        Bloomberg's accent is pure Boston. He grew up in Medford (pronounced Medfid) Massachusetts.
        , @Mr McKenna
        Would you believe--I've never heard the man speak? I watch absolutely no television and generally avoid videos online as well. Not to mention that I've little interest in hearing him anyway. You've got that interest piqued a bit though, but just a bit. I think I'll just take your word for it.

        Agree with the other commenter though: people should hire voice coaches. It's not rocket science, but someone like the notoriously self-infatuated Bloomberg isn't ever going to do it. I'm sure he thinks his voice is the very sonic image of 'dulcimer tones'. Who's going to tell him otherwise?

        Nonetheless, if his voice is very offensive or grating, I've little doubt that it'll occur to some people that they don't want to listen to it for four years. An interesting angle.
        , @Old Prude
        My Brooklyn-born wife can't stand the sight of Bloomberg, and she has no ideological bones against him... She just finds him repellent. Even more so than she finds me - another short, old husk with a smart mouth.
      67. Bloomberg’s latest ad on Bernie supporters being violent psychopaths is a winner and has the added benefit of being true. Bernie’s too much of a wimp to take on the deranged freaks who make up probably 20% of his base, such as ballfield assassin James Hodgkinson. He should have told them long ago that they’re not welcome in his tent, that they should move abroad or check themselves into a psych ward. But he won’t do that. Bloomberg still won’t win but if his goal is to hurt Bernie he’s doing a good job so far.

      68. the thing is, Bloomberg has peeled off enough “not Bernie” support to push the other candidates below the viability threshold in a number of states, but he hasn’t peeled off enough to become the sole challenger.

        short of the greatest debate performance in the history of debate performances, and unless he decides to literally pay Biden, Warren, Buttigieg, and Klobuchar to drop out and give up their pie-in-the-sky dreams of becoming the ‘compromise candidate’ at the convention, Bloomberg’s decision to enter the race may turn out to be an epic own-goal.

      69. @countenance
        Bloomy is a sitting duck (pun intended) for Bernie.

        If I was advising Bernie, I'd tell him to say this to Bernie on an upcoming debate stage when they're both there:

        “Your fortune is built off of an immoral if not illegal cartel. [The terminals -- Ed.] You do deserve Federally-funded public housing, but a Federal prison cell instead of the White House. As President, I and the Attorney General and the U.S. Attorney for southern New York appoint will see to it that that happens.”

        Bloomy will never know what hit him, and will never be able to recover. It’ll be just like Tulsi Gabbard taking down Kamala Harris. The assembled crowd might cheer and hoot and holler for a half hour continuously, and it may even effectively seal the nomination for Bernie.

        Bloomberg is not defenseless here.

        He could go with the “greed is good” speech; that works more than half the time.

        He could state that Bernie’s policies never work, while his (Bloomberg’s) work at least some of the time.

        • Agree: Mr McKenna
      70. @Hypnotoad666
        Further advice for Trump: Do not, under any circumstances, attempt to use ACME brand products in your campaign.

        I’m surprised Bernie hasn’t used his Vermont guns in the 2020 Democratic debates.

      71. OT: More than a hundred years later, Chinese still don’t understand the phrase ‘sick man of asia’ and presume it to be a racial slight, sad. They’ve deported 3 WSJ reporters because ‘racism’ because of another piece written by somebody back in New York entitled ‘China Is The Real Sick Man of Asia’ detailing the fragility of the countries banking system. (Which is a massive debt bubble but honestly unlike the US, the CCP probably will send the banks to the wall and cancel it’s citizens onerous debt in order to not undermine their society)

        https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/china-expels-3-wsj-reporters-over-racist-opinion-piece

        Cue some CCP guy who read ‘The Greeks are cockroaches!’ tier propaganda as a child and who doesn’t understand a very basic phrase in the English language. It was funny for me to hear because it is a common misunderstanding in China and has come up before. The funny part is the Chinese are really hurt and upset about a comment that was never really made.

        https://www.chinasmack.com/westerners-never-called-chinese-sick-men-of-asia-reactions

        Every time during the Olympic Games, when our compatriots win medals, words like “Sick Men of East Asia” would definitely be wildly used by the domestic media, especially in 2008, when headlines like “From Sick Men of East Asia to Olympic Sports Power” and “Beijing Olympic Games Forever Ends Discriminative Label ‘Sick Men of East Asia’” could be seen everywhere. This time at the London Olympic Games, the Chinese delegation is shining with exploits, and there are many similar news reports as well.

        This is actually a misunderstanding——the West used “Sick Man” to describe the Chinese government of the late Qing Dynasty for its terribly stagnated political reforms, but our compatriots strangely interpreted it as a certain “discrimination of physique” that the West had towards Chinese people.

        But around the years of 1903, Chinese intellectuals, represented by Liang Qichao, suddenly forcibly twisted the meaning of the West’s “Sick Man Theory”. In The Theory of New People he published that year, Liang Qichao used “Sick Men” for the first time to describe all Chinese–“the people nationwide are lifeless as sick men”.

        In the press circles of the late Qing Dynasty, when talking about influence, almost no one could compete with Liang Qichao. Therefore, as soon as The Theory of New People was published, it was widely spread. Using “Sick Man” to describe compatriots‘s weak physical quality had also became a fashion. In An Alarm to Awaken the Age that Chen Tianhua wrote in 1903 he said: “When the foreigners don’t call (Chinese) Sick Men of the East, they call us a barbaric lowly race”. In 1905, a novel called The Flower in the Vicious Sea was published, its author publicly signed as “Sick Man of East Asia” (real name Zeng Pu). The Flower in the Vicious Sea was very popular, a top best-seller of the time, and the name/expression “Sick Man of East Asia” also spread quickly.

      72. @Hypnotoad666
        Further advice for Trump: Do not, under any circumstances, attempt to use ACME brand products in your campaign.

        Strange but true —

        The Democratic National Convention is in Wisconsin this year.

        Wisconsin is home to an NFL team originally named the Acme Packers, named after the Acme Packing Company in Green Bay.

        • Replies: @ChrisZ
        That may be true, but it's not very strange. Nor is it even an interesting aside to Hypnotoad's funny comment.
      73. @Jenner Ickham Errican

        Trump got fewer votes than Clinton
         
        Yeah, but Clinton got lesser votes. She had quantity, he had quality.

        I like the way you think!

        • Thanks: Jenner Ickham Errican
      74. @Peter Akuleyev
        The taller candidate always wins. Bloomberg will never beat Trump, that's why Trump has already been attacking Bloomberg's stature in tweets. Someday the Democrats will just make the obvious move and run an NBA star for President.

        “ The taller candidate always wins.”

        Not in 1992, 2000, or 2004.

        Obama seems to be about half an inch taller than Romney, but Romney looks taller in most photos together because he has straighter posture and a bigger build.

        • Replies: @Foreign Expert
        WolframAlpha says Buttigieg is slightly taller than Bloomberg.
      75. by the vile shrike Hillary

        Interesting avian term. And ironic.

        “Shrike” was the nickname Saab gave to one of their sedans the official name of which was Ninety-something. And Saab is the answer to the question, “Which division of General Motors wasn’t bailed out by the government?”

        Because “The Swedish state is not prepared to own car factories.” –Maud Olofsson, Enterprise Minister

        So much for “socialism”, Bernie. Be sure to check out Jay Leno’s Garage, where he tools around in his two-stroke.

        • Replies: @Anonymouse
        I drove that model car once - actually owned by a friend. 3 cylinder 2 cycle engine - you added a can of lawnmower oil to every fill-up. Said to be good in the snow. Otherwise as minimal as a car can get this side of a Trabant.
        , @Jack D
        Saabs were "different" (and not in a good way for most people, but they had a certain base - if Saab was still around and Bernie Bros still drove cars then Saab would be the official car of the Bernie voter) But by the time GM got done with them, they were basically rebadged Opels and Chevies (and sometimes even Subarus) and so the brand had no reason for being at all.
        , @captflee
        If nought else, the 96 managed to ring ding ding its way to overall victories at the '62 & 63 Monte Carlo Rallies...
      76. @Jack D
        It's hard to pin the sins of the managerial class on Bloomberg. It's not like he was the president of GM and ran it and its jobs into the ground and moved the factories to Mexico and China. He personally has been a job creator and basically created a new industry, employing 20,000 high paid people, where none existed before.

        One of the reasons why Hillary's (and Biden's) message of "choose me, I'm the competent, sane one" didn't resonate was that it was pretty clearly a lie. Bloomberg really does have a track record of competence in industry and in government.

        Bernie's "you have nothing to lose but your chains" message resonates with Millennials who really do have nothing to lose but their minimum wage part time jobs at Starbucks, but most Americans are not in that category. The white working class voters in the Midwest who swung toward Trump in 2016 are not lifelong loyal Republicans. They voted for Obama before they voted for Trump. And Trump has not exactly overdelivered on his campaign promises from the last time.

        If I didn’t know better I’d think your first line was sarcasm. Yeah, mini-Mike’s got nothing to do with neoliberalism, got it. Even made his money the old fashioned way I’m sure.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        Edison invented the stock ticker. Did this make him a neoliberal too?

        Bloomberg made his money precisely in the old fashioned way - he invented a better mousetrap. That it was a kind of mousetrap that stockbrokers buy (actually rent) doesn't change that.

        I guess neoliberal is now an alt.right dirty word, along with neoconservative. Neo-anything is bad I guess if you are a reactionary.
      77. Exactly right Tricky Dicky beat the Elmer Fudds Humphrey, McGovern, and why not throw Muskie into the mix just because.

      78. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

        It’s hard to pin the sins of the managerial class on Bloomberg. It’s not like he was the president of GM and ran it and its jobs into the ground and moved the factories to Mexico and China. He personally has been a job creator and basically created a new industry, employing 20,000 high paid people, where none existed before.
         
        Didn't Bloomberg basically just publish a digital Racing Form for people who make money from money rather than money from horses?

        Perhaps it was a genius invention to weaponize information, but he's still making his money as a parasite of the larger industry of people who make money from money. I know that there are arguments in favor of the necessities of these markets for pricing stability, but at some level they're necessary evils rather than unalloyed goods.

        Maybe to a hard line Communist, Bloomberg is a parasite of the eevil financial industry, but even in China they have a stock market and use Bloomberg services (or their equivalent). You’d have to go to Cuba or N. Korea to find a place where they are not needed. In the ’60s, Communist visionaries imagined that data networks (similar to Bloombergs but of course state owned) could provide supply and demand signalling and capital allocation information that was lacking in Marxist economies due to the lack of market mechanisms, so that even under Socialism you would need the equivalent of a Bloomberg network (except without the part where he got $60 billion for putting it together).

        To the average voter, what Bloomberg did is at worst neutral (to the extent that they even understand it). It could have been much worse – he could have been some kind of private equity guy like Romney who specialized in closing factories and sending their jobs to China. He could have been in some consumer facing business where he did really eeevil things like loaning money to black people and insisting that they pay it back or selling them unhealthy food. As we know, the “activist” base is furiously searching the archives to find dirt on Bloomberg. So far when it comes to his actual business (and not how he “sexually harassed” females – or is he secretly gay – pick one) they have found remarkably little to criticize (that would resonate with a sane person).

        • Replies: @Johann Ricke

        So far when it comes to his actual business (and not how he “sexually harassed” females
         
        Seems to me that he's guilty, at worst, of hard-nosed employment practices. Bloomberg doesn't seem particularly interested in women apart from their roles as child-bearers (decades ago) and social companions. The women on his arm aren't particularly good-looking and definitely not nubile. It's a huge contrast with Trump, who clearly likes women (maybe a little too much).

        The idea of Bloomberg harassing women to get physical with them is just not credible. His principal avocation seems to be identical to his day job - becoming the richest man in the world. Now that it's clear he'll fall short, he's set his sights on the White House. Women as individual targets for seduction simply do not appear on Bloomberg's radar.
      79. @theMann
        All Trump has to do is keep playing Bloomberg's observations about American farmers over and over again, and Bloomberg is toast. Oregon, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, New Mexico all come into play now.


        Not to mention, whether they will admit it or not, there are basically several million people who wont vote for a Jew (fwiw, many of them Urban Sophisticates). The Dems would be even more suicidally incompetent with the Gnome than they were with Hillary.

        Wondering how the Coalition of Fringes reconciles that as of today despite their love of diversity and people of color, the 2 Dem frontrunners are rich elderly Jewish guys from the northeast.

      80. Anon[273] • Disclaimer says:

        OT: I have no idea if this is accurate or fake news: China seeks court’s approval to kill over 20,000 patients with the coronavirus to avoid further spread of the disease: Link is below.

        Well, it’s certainly a typical Chinese (and Communist for that matter) solution to the problem.

        It won’t help, though. It’s already out of control in China.

        • Replies: @Hail
        Beware of the source, an anomyous Japanese who claims to be part of the QAnon movement.

        They use the hashtag "#QArmyJapanFlynn." THe first three words I get, but what's with "Flynn"?
        , @Autochthon
        Fake news, my dude. When the Chinese government wants to kill Chinese people, it does not need its courts' permission.

        (You scored a 2 on your Advanced Placement exam in comparative government, didn't you?)
        , @Reg Cæsar
        There is an awful lot of kana for a post about China.
      81. @Gabe Ruth
        If I didn't know better I'd think your first line was sarcasm. Yeah, mini-Mike's got nothing to do with neoliberalism, got it. Even made his money the old fashioned way I'm sure.

        Edison invented the stock ticker. Did this make him a neoliberal too?

        Bloomberg made his money precisely in the old fashioned way – he invented a better mousetrap. That it was a kind of mousetrap that stockbrokers buy (actually rent) doesn’t change that.

        I guess neoliberal is now an alt.right dirty word, along with neoconservative. Neo-anything is bad I guess if you are a reactionary.

        • LOL: Johann Ricke
        • Replies: @Jack Henson
        Wow, Jack D out here running interference for a member of the Tribe likely engaged in high level IO shenanigans.

        I did not see that coming.
        , @guest
        Neoliberal is much more in vogue as curse word on the left than right, I should think. Because the right still has a lot of libertarian-type neuroses to work out.

        The “neo-“ in neocon was adopted by neoconservatives themselves (before they decided other people calling them by their name was racist), because it was their intention to subplant existing conservatism. Or at least elbow their way into existing conservatism. Whichever. •That• is only a natural thing for reactionaries to resent.

        Neoliberals, on the other hand, I don’t think consciously adopted that name. It’s more like “yuppie,” in that it’s applied against their will.

        If there is a self-consciously neoliberal movement, I’m unaware. They’re more likely to think of themselves as liberals, progressives, free traders, globalists, classical liberals, or libertarians as the case may be.
        , @Mr McKenna
        That was well-parried, even if I do sort of agree with the other guy ;)
        , @Tusk
        Wait until you here about neo-reactionaries.
        , @Alden
        Bloomberg’s got a good TV ad about his invention. It implied the truth. He’s the only democrat candidate whose ever had a real job or done anything useful. I like him better than the rest for that. Don’t like gun grabbing. Love his stop and frisk, no hanging out on subway stairs to trip and harass people and the other quality of life enforcement. And if it’s black behavior that makes the quality of life nasty, so what.
      82. From once upon a time in Hollywood to today in Hollywood
        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8020843/Rapper-Pop-Smoke-20-shot-killed-home-invasion-robbery-Hollywood-Hills.html

        Me thinks this is not a straight up robbery.

      83. @Jack D
        Maybe to a hard line Communist, Bloomberg is a parasite of the eevil financial industry, but even in China they have a stock market and use Bloomberg services (or their equivalent). You'd have to go to Cuba or N. Korea to find a place where they are not needed. In the '60s, Communist visionaries imagined that data networks (similar to Bloombergs but of course state owned) could provide supply and demand signalling and capital allocation information that was lacking in Marxist economies due to the lack of market mechanisms, so that even under Socialism you would need the equivalent of a Bloomberg network (except without the part where he got $60 billion for putting it together).

        To the average voter, what Bloomberg did is at worst neutral (to the extent that they even understand it). It could have been much worse - he could have been some kind of private equity guy like Romney who specialized in closing factories and sending their jobs to China. He could have been in some consumer facing business where he did really eeevil things like loaning money to black people and insisting that they pay it back or selling them unhealthy food. As we know, the "activist" base is furiously searching the archives to find dirt on Bloomberg. So far when it comes to his actual business (and not how he "sexually harassed" females - or is he secretly gay - pick one) they have found remarkably little to criticize (that would resonate with a sane person).

        So far when it comes to his actual business (and not how he “sexually harassed” females

        Seems to me that he’s guilty, at worst, of hard-nosed employment practices. Bloomberg doesn’t seem particularly interested in women apart from their roles as child-bearers (decades ago) and social companions. The women on his arm aren’t particularly good-looking and definitely not nubile. It’s a huge contrast with Trump, who clearly likes women (maybe a little too much).

        The idea of Bloomberg harassing women to get physical with them is just not credible. His principal avocation seems to be identical to his day job – becoming the richest man in the world. Now that it’s clear he’ll fall short, he’s set his sights on the White House. Women as individual targets for seduction simply do not appear on Bloomberg’s radar.

        • Replies: @Peterike
        “Women as individual targets for seduction simply do not appear on Bloomberg’s radar.”

        You fail to understand the Jewish mind.
      84. @Anon7
        Maybe Bloomberg’s expensive consultants have pointed out that people get tired of extremists like

        crazy Bernie ranting about socialism and

        irate old librarian Liz Warren shaking her finger at the boys who won’t sit quietly and read their “Portraits of 19th Century Feminists” instead of “Kit Carson, Mountain Man”

        and instead maybe they’d listen to

        calm, professional Mike Bloomberg taking an old-school centrist Democrat position.

        “read their “Portraits of 19th Century Feminists” instead of “Kit Carson, Mountain Man”.”
        Too true. LOL.

        • Replies: @ThreeCranes
        Agree.
      85. @Paleo Liberal
        From some of Steve’s earlier posts, specifically the one about wages of IQ 120 people in different ethnic groups, it appears the growth of the upper middle class has been pretty much entirely due to immigration.

        If anything, the white upper middle class has declined slightly. And the “talented tenth” blacks have really taken a punch to the gut or slightly below.

        A lot of the white upper middle class families from a generation ago are keeping their middle class kids above water; helping pay for down payments on homes and college tuition for the grandchildren, as well as helping out when their kids get laid off. The only reason the children of the past generations’ upper middle class are doing okay in life is because of the family support system.

        And when young people today graduate out into what were once middle to upper middle class careers — STEM fields, for example — they won’t have the comfortably well off parents to help them as they compete with Asian immigrants.

        This is the most important and interesting comment on this thread. Conflict between whites and asians is growing and will eventually explode. The replacement of the white middle class with asians has already had a devastating impact on younger white Americans. You have this sick phenomenon of some older whites who are aware of things like race realism but who are indifferent to asian migration. There is no future in that thinking. Younger whites have went to school and worked with asians and we have seen how tribal and hostile they are. They want nothing more than to have every white man with a high paying job in America to be replaced with their relatives. Asian pressure groups have long been demanding that more corporate executives and lawyers be asian. They claim that having a lower percentage of Fortune 500 execs or big law partners being asian than the asian representation in STEM or elite colleges is proof of anti-asian discrimination.

        The issue of family and intergenerational wealth is especially relevant here because asian groups form tight extended families and ethnic networks to help each other out economically, while whites do the opposite. We see many white boomers using reverse mortgages to maintain their consumption oriented lifestyles of frivolous spending on things like vacations, credit card debt and eating out, leaving their children with nothing. Meanwhile, asians save their money and buy houses for their children, driving up prices to unaffordable levels in the areas they target for takeovers.

        We now have large asian colonies in the suburbs around LA, SF, NYC and DC. Asian colonies are forming now in the second tier metro areas. Asian migrants played a major role in turning VA blue. We see obnoxiously anti-white young asians flooding the media. The Chinese government frequently uses PC style rhetoric against white countries trying to limit Chinese spying, theft and other bad behavior. India is pressuring white countries to allow Indian migration in exchange for trade agreements.

      86. @GamecockJerry
        As someone who grew up on Long Island, his NY Jew voice is like nails on a chalkboard.

        Trumpslide 2020.

        Bloomberg’s accent is pure Boston. He grew up in Medford (pronounced Medfid) Massachusetts.

      87. @Inquiring Mind
        Does anyone here know what a Bloomberg Terminal really is?

        When you hear the word "terminal", you think that Bloomberg-the-company is overcharging for one of those toilet-bowl-shaped VT100 "dumb terminals" connected by a phone connection to an IBM computer at a central locations when everyone else has changed to the Internet.

        Wikipedia describes a Bloomberg Terminal as a Web app that runs on a PC with a half-dozen displays filling half a wall. The Bloomberg Terminal app looks like the control panel to the starship Enterprise if the TOS wasn't filmed on such a low budget.

        Before the Internet, the high-technology thing was the telephone. Who here has seen one of these old movies where a "stock trader" was a guy who had a dozen phones on his desk, and when each one rings he picks it up and barks into the receive, "Buy!" or "Sell!" Today's financial trader has a half dozen 4K monitors in front of the desk showing real-time squiggles of all the markets and is clicking on "Buy!" or "Sell!" That is the Bloomberg Terminal.

        The closest thing may be the lock on the computer database market held by Larry Ellison. An Oracle database is the industrial-strength pro-model of the toy database software you might run on your PC to keep track of who has paid their dues to the Cub Scouts. If you work for a big enough company, your employee record is probably in an Oracle Database. So Larry and Mike are kinda, roughly, the same kind of billionaire who managed to get a first-mover monopoly lock on an expensive software program that works behind-the-scenes and the average person doesn't encounter directly, sort of the opposite of Facebook or Microsoft Office.

        “An Oracle database is the industrial-strength pro-model of the toy database software you might run on your PC to keep track of who has paid their dues to the Cub Scouts. If you work for a big enough company, your employee record is probably in an Oracle Database.”

        The last time I looked you could download a version of Oracle to play with at home, not for commercial use but you could stick an Access front-end on it to monitor dues-paying or whatever (I was doing something similar in the commercial world to create test databases six or seven years ago).

      88. More ridiculous hot takes from the Steve commentariat that are wildly incorrect based off their autistic interpretations of human behavior.

        Can we get a rainbow puzzle piece next to some of y’alls names so new people know “Please be patient, I have autism”?

        Goodness knows Trump has been a let down in some regards, but “I’m going to take your guns, raise your taxes, and you’re gonna pay for illegal alien sex change operations” isn’t the message that’s going to breach the steel curtain states, no matter how many billions Bloomberg throws at black pastors.

        • LOL: ScarletNumber
        • Replies: @ScarletNumber

        Can we get a rainbow puzzle piece next to some of y’alls names so new people know “Please be patient, I have autism”?
         
        This is a brilliant idea. The only issue is that autism is so prevalent here that we would be overrun by puzzle pieces ;)
      89. @Jack D
        Edison invented the stock ticker. Did this make him a neoliberal too?

        Bloomberg made his money precisely in the old fashioned way - he invented a better mousetrap. That it was a kind of mousetrap that stockbrokers buy (actually rent) doesn't change that.

        I guess neoliberal is now an alt.right dirty word, along with neoconservative. Neo-anything is bad I guess if you are a reactionary.

        Wow, Jack D out here running interference for a member of the Tribe likely engaged in high level IO shenanigans.

        I did not see that coming.

        • Agree: BenKenobi, Peterike
        • LOL: JMcG
        • Replies: @Lot
        “ high level IO”

        Input output? Jupiter’s moon?
      90. @theMann
        All Trump has to do is keep playing Bloomberg's observations about American farmers over and over again, and Bloomberg is toast. Oregon, Minnesota, New Hampshire, Wisconsin, New Mexico all come into play now.


        Not to mention, whether they will admit it or not, there are basically several million people who wont vote for a Jew (fwiw, many of them Urban Sophisticates). The Dems would be even more suicidally incompetent with the Gnome than they were with Hillary.

        Then how come the Jewish Sanders is running so far ahead of the other Dem. candidates?

      91. This analogy takes us about as far as I can throw Trump. Because there was nothing particularly Bugsy about either Bush, for instance. Except that they came off better than Dukakis or Kerry. But we already know that because we know they won.

        Really, what we’re saying is that the Cool Kids beat the Dorks. Well, duh. Presidential elections are popularity contests. Big surprise.

        No way is Trump dorkier than Bloomberg. Nearly every negative quality ascribed to him could make him Big Man on the playground.

      92. @Vince Dennis
        Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by s whopping 4 million
        Trump didn't win

        He used Russian interference and the platform of of racists to win the electoral college an outdated needless institution

        How do you guys contend with the fact People of Color academics and journalists disagree with you vehemently

        I don’t mind people of color academics and journalists disagreeing with me, vehemently or otherwise. If only they’d shut up about their hair.

      93. @Reg Cæsar

        by the vile shrike Hillary
         
        Interesting avian term. And ironic.

        "Shrike" was the nickname Saab gave to one of their sedans the official name of which was Ninety-something. And Saab is the answer to the question, "Which division of General Motors wasn't bailed out by the government?"

        Because "The Swedish state is not prepared to own car factories." --Maud Olofsson, Enterprise Minister

        So much for "socialism", Bernie. Be sure to check out Jay Leno's Garage, where he tools around in his two-stroke.


        https://preview2.netcarshow.com/Saab-96-1967-1600-03.jpg

        I drove that model car once – actually owned by a friend. 3 cylinder 2 cycle engine – you added a can of lawnmower oil to every fill-up. Said to be good in the snow. Otherwise as minimal as a car can get this side of a Trabant.

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

        I drove that model car once – actually owned by a friend. 3 cylinder 2 cycle engine – you added a can of lawnmower oil to every fill-up.
         
        They switched to four-stroke in 1967, and kept free-wheeling until 1971 or 1972. So those are the years you want to shop for. The pump-and-coast models.

        Interestingly, Saabs and Volvos always had left-hand drive, even though Sweden didn't drive on the right until 1967. That's a highly dangerous situation, which exists in the Bahamas and US Virgin Islands to this day.

        Perhaps that explains Swedish automakers' obsession with safety.
      94. @Reg Cæsar

        by the vile shrike Hillary
         
        Interesting avian term. And ironic.

        "Shrike" was the nickname Saab gave to one of their sedans the official name of which was Ninety-something. And Saab is the answer to the question, "Which division of General Motors wasn't bailed out by the government?"

        Because "The Swedish state is not prepared to own car factories." --Maud Olofsson, Enterprise Minister

        So much for "socialism", Bernie. Be sure to check out Jay Leno's Garage, where he tools around in his two-stroke.


        https://preview2.netcarshow.com/Saab-96-1967-1600-03.jpg

        Saabs were “different” (and not in a good way for most people, but they had a certain base – if Saab was still around and Bernie Bros still drove cars then Saab would be the official car of the Bernie voter) But by the time GM got done with them, they were basically rebadged Opels and Chevies (and sometimes even Subarus) and so the brand had no reason for being at all.

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

        if Saab was still around and Bernie Bros still drove cars then Saab would be the official car of the Bernie voter
         
        I don't know... they might prefer Prius. Lefty profs with Saabs were a '70s thing.

        Kurt Vonnegut, of all people, was one of the first Saab dealers in America:

        Vonnegut. Saab.

        Have I Got a Car for You!

        (and sometimes even Subarus)
         
        Actually, I think Subaru would have been the ideal purchaser of Saab. Not just for the letters, but for their similar histories and philosophy. Both were big on front-wheel drive before most of the rest of the world caught on. Saabs were originally pushed in mountainous areas, like the Catskills. Even though the free-wheeling (available until about 1972) would have made that scary.

        I saw my first Saab at a rural county fair tent in New York in 1968.
      95. @Redneck farmer
        It depends. Can one of the others on stage get under his skin? Talk about how he benefitted as mayor from gentrification? That even Bernie doesn't want to tax truly poor Americans "for their own good? How the Bloomberg Terminal helped drive the much maligned high frequency trading? So, we're going to have to wait and see.

        I predict Bloomberg is a Racist will be the main point of attack.

        It’s not clear who benefits. The White-Catholic man approaching eighty? The White-Jewish man approaching eighty? The scolding White woman librarian-type? The less-scolding but similar White woman librarian-type? The weird-name Gay CIA asset?

        • Replies: @Jack D
        In addition to "Bloomberg is a racist", another major theme will be "Bloomberg is a billionaire who is trying to buy his way to the presidency."

        As for who benefits, the basic idea will be that Bloomberg will in effect be the stand-in on the stage for Trump. Whoever is most effective in attacking the rich white racist on the stage tonight will (they hope) be deemed by the Democrat electorate to be the one who will have the best game against Trump.

        The flip side of this is by doing so they are in effect making Bloomberg the center of attention. They might be better off ignoring him or treating him as a minor candidate rather than a threat. And when Harris went after Biden it hurt her campaign more than it helped it because she came off as shrill.
        , @Barnard
        I have to ask who you consider the "less-scolding type" between Klobuchar and Warren.

        In addition to pointing out the "racism" it may be more effective to point out that Bloomberg loathes if not outright hates the average voter. Like Hillary I doubt Bloomberg can turn this trait off and make a convincing case he respects the average American worker. I doubt any remaining Democrat could do this though. As to who benefits, wouldn't it be the front runner, who is the Jewish man approaching 80? Bloomberg is making it easier for Sanders to become the nominee by dividing the anti-Bernie vote.
      96. @Jenner Ickham Errican

        Trump got fewer votes than Clinton
         
        Yeah, but Clinton got lesser votes. She had quantity, he had quality.

        Best votes ever!

      97. @Anon
        So the point of GTOD's post is that he doesn't like Trump? Wow what a great contribution. Literally nothing that he said is true or insightful. There is no Iron Law of Elmer Fudd whatever he said. He emotes like a woman, and then rationalizes it afterwards. The anti-Trump losers on this board are just getting so repetitive with their Trump hatred, even they know they need to dress it up a little bit. That's literally all this is.


        nonstop walking baby-tantrum
         
        Pure class all the way. What an original thinker and great human being! Good job, we need more hatred in the world.

        makes him into the stiff this time around.

        Compared to Bloomie, or anyone on the Dem side??

        Hahahahaha!

      98. @Jack D
        Edison invented the stock ticker. Did this make him a neoliberal too?

        Bloomberg made his money precisely in the old fashioned way - he invented a better mousetrap. That it was a kind of mousetrap that stockbrokers buy (actually rent) doesn't change that.

        I guess neoliberal is now an alt.right dirty word, along with neoconservative. Neo-anything is bad I guess if you are a reactionary.

        Neoliberal is much more in vogue as curse word on the left than right, I should think. Because the right still has a lot of libertarian-type neuroses to work out.

        The “neo-“ in neocon was adopted by neoconservatives themselves (before they decided other people calling them by their name was racist), because it was their intention to subplant existing conservatism. Or at least elbow their way into existing conservatism. Whichever. •That• is only a natural thing for reactionaries to resent.

        Neoliberals, on the other hand, I don’t think consciously adopted that name. It’s more like “yuppie,” in that it’s applied against their will.

        If there is a self-consciously neoliberal movement, I’m unaware. They’re more likely to think of themselves as liberals, progressives, free traders, globalists, classical liberals, or libertarians as the case may be.

      99. I posted my earlier comment before even reading through the commentary and glad to see some people here were awake in 2016. Steve you got dragged in the comments (and rightfully so) for posting this because it’s very obviously Boomer Bait. If I wanted a gold star I’d just crank out an analogy about how, I don’t know, Bloomberg is like the Pebble Beach golf course and Trump is like Augusta based off these architectural features.

        Hell, if I did that I could probably get on the Lot/Jack D posting plan where no matter how off topic/ridiculous/obvious Hasbara my post was it would never get whimmed.

        Anyway, the irony is that if Bloomberg had run on an old school nationalist trade policy combined with an old school law and order, police knocking heads together ticket with the promise of managerial savvy making shit work, he’d be a real threat. But if my aunt had balls she’d be my uncle.. He’s Trigglypuff with a gorillion dollars mumbling apologies for the same shit everyone with a normal brain thinks and is sick of while Trump posts pictures of them side by side and asks how much he’d pay to be 5’10.

        2020 is gonna be a blowout.

      100. OT: This is a good example of nature over nurture. Headline: “Steven Spielberg’s daughter launches adult entertainment career, says dad supports her sex worker ambitions.”

        You too, can be rich and spoiled, and still want to be a prostitute.

        https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/steven-spielberg-daughter-porn-star

        • Replies: @Hail

        Mikaela Spielberg, one of the famed director's seven children, has begun self-producing solo adult film videos at the age of 23, she told The Sun.

        Spielberg's daughter, who lives in Nashville, Tenn., has already submitted an application to become a sex worker
         

        Mikaela is currently engaged to a man named Chuck Pankow, 47, who also is rallying behind her budding adult entertainment career.
         
        This reads like a satire designed to be shocking but too implausible to be effective.

        On right is Mikaela Spielberg, substantial Subsaharan ancestry:

        https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/02/1862/1048/mikaela-spielberg-getty.jpg

        Spielberg and Capshaw adopted Mikaela in 1996 and she grew up in the film industry
         
        , @J.Ross
        The reaction to find on this one is Crispin Glover's.
        , @Testing12
        I see it as "nurture" over nature given the CDAN blinds about Spielberg the sicko
      101. I don’t believe there’s anyone to stop Sanders (if he lives). They need him to lose ‘honorably’ but lose they will.

        It’s not like Trump has actually delivered on any big promises and he’s already out there complaining about needing more H type visas etc. He’s being completely ignored in Syria, nothing on Korea, ready to bomb Iran, faking a withdrawal in Afghanistan, asking for more tech export to China (jet engines now) etc. The only real thing he’s done is the tax law, hardly what anyone voting for him was clamoring for. He’s a big zero, just noise.

        • Replies: @Anon
        Voted for Trump. Liked his stand on issues that really resonated with me. Tax cut was not one but got some money back. Don't trust him on guns: take first ask questions later. Totally opposed to increased immigration whether legal skilled, unskilled, family reunification to say nothing of illegal.
        I feel I voted for Trump and got Jeb Bush.
      102. Years ago, because I had my own tux, I used to get invited to black tie events that I otherwise had nothing to do with. One of these events was a Congress of Racial Equality dinner in NYC shortly after 9/11, maybe 4 or 5 months after. Giuliani was supposed to be the speaker but he didn’t make it, so Julian Bond spoke.

        Mike Bloomberg was in attendance and was making his way behind my chair with a small group, security I guess. Chris Rock came out of nowhere with lights and camera in tow, blocking the way, and began cracking jokes and mugging for the TV audience. Bloomberg was trying to move on, shaking hands and smiling, when without moving a muscle in his face, he said clearly through his grin, “I’m not going to be a part of your act.” If he’d been in a close up, it would have been impossible to tell he’d spoken. The voice would have seem to have come from off-camera. The only reason I could tell it was him was that he was just a couple of feet from me.

        Mr Rock got the message and stepped back and out of the way. It remains one of the most socially adept things I’ve ever witnessed.

      103. I don’t think they can reprogram the population fast enough to go for Bloomberg. He’s a bridge too far for this election.

      104. @Bugg
        Except Bloomberg is now repudiating his most important managerial success, following Giuliani's lead in keeping NYC safe from street crime.

        His position as the follow-up to Rudy was the key to Bloomberg’s success, and he’s foolish to repudiate it now. Very few voters in NYC cast their ballots in favor of Bloomberg per se; they voted to keep the Rudy era going, but without the hard edges and abrasiveness of Rudy himself. They voted to keep the gains of the previous eight years in the safe hands of a technocratic manager–and keep the hands of the New York kookocracy off of the policies that undergirded the good times.

        Maybe that suggests a frutiful strategy he could pursue against President Trump? Instead of railing against the President’s policies, simply co-opt them and announce that he’ll keep the “good times” rolling–but as a boring manager, without all the drama and vulgarity.

        It’s laughable to think he’d ever do that. But I’m pretty certain there are a lot of money Liberals who are secretly looking for just such an accommodation.

      105. @Paleo Liberal
        Strange but true —

        The Democratic National Convention is in Wisconsin this year.

        Wisconsin is home to an NFL team originally named the Acme Packers, named after the Acme Packing Company in Green Bay.

        That may be true, but it’s not very strange. Nor is it even an interesting aside to Hypnotoad’s funny comment.

      106. @Hail
        I predict Bloomberg is a Racist will be the main point of attack.

        It's not clear who benefits. The White-Catholic man approaching eighty? The White-Jewish man approaching eighty? The scolding White woman librarian-type? The less-scolding but similar White woman librarian-type? The weird-name Gay CIA asset?

        In addition to “Bloomberg is a racist”, another major theme will be “Bloomberg is a billionaire who is trying to buy his way to the presidency.”

        As for who benefits, the basic idea will be that Bloomberg will in effect be the stand-in on the stage for Trump. Whoever is most effective in attacking the rich white racist on the stage tonight will (they hope) be deemed by the Democrat electorate to be the one who will have the best game against Trump.

        The flip side of this is by doing so they are in effect making Bloomberg the center of attention. They might be better off ignoring him or treating him as a minor candidate rather than a threat. And when Harris went after Biden it hurt her campaign more than it helped it because she came off as shrill.

      107. I’m cheering for Sanders to win the Democratic nomination. Then, there will be, perhaps for the first time in American history, two populists running against each other. Who will win? Dunno, but at last the American people will get the President they deserve, bad or good.

      108. Meanwhile, you might enjoy this moment from the intellectual vanguard of the UK Labour Party.

      109. @The Z Blog
        Nonsense.

        Bloomberg is so far looking more like Ross Perot than a genuine threat to win the nomination. He's exceedingly thin skinned and wholly unprepared to mix it up in a real campaign. There is a good chance his campaign peaks tonight when he scurries onto the debate stage.

        Right now, Bloomberg is just an idea. He is an imaginary candidate into which disaffected Democrats can pour their aspirations. When he is made flesh, those fans are not going to be as enamored with him, because he will not be what they imagined. Think about what happened to Fred Thompson years ago when he jumped into the GOP race.

        Now, maybe Bloomberg turns into Cicero tonight and wows the audience. We live in a strange age, so anything can happen. That's not the way to bet though.

        He’s exceedingly thin skinned and wholly unprepared to mix it up in a real campaign.

        To build on this insight:

        Bloomberg is very talented and deployed that talent as NYC mayor. I remember he’d do a live radio call in show every Friday, where he showed an impressive command of information, and showed no compunction about deflating the usual weirdos who would call in. BUT that worked when he was center stage, and not in an adversarial situation.

        His “signature” initiatives as mayor, like outlawing the Big Gulp, were mostly dumb virtue signals: the kind of rules you enact to justify your position when everything’s running smoothly on automatic. Again, he mostly avoided policy fights of great consequence, where there would be real opposition.

        He was granted a third term, which was a distinction denied to Rudy. Even so, I was surprised at how thin Bloomberg’s margins of victory were on re-election. By way of contrast, when Rudy ran for a second term against Ruth Messenger, Manhattan Borough president and a bona fide (((Upper West Side Liberal))), he doggedly (and ruthlessly) campaigned to garner every possible vote, and crushed her in the election. (What great days!) Bloomy ran in his final bid against a City Council nobody, and only eked out a victory.

        It showed me he’s not much of a fighter, at least in politics. He won’t condescend to the rough-and-tumble of retail campaigning, and prefers to set up or exploit the conditions that will allow him to coast to an easy win. That would be his undoing in a match-up against Pres. Trump, I think; I can’t imagine that advanced age has changed Bloomberg in this regard.

      110. @Vince Dennis
        Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by s whopping 4 million
        Trump didn't win

        He used Russian interference and the platform of of racists to win the electoral college an outdated needless institution

        How do you guys contend with the fact People of Color academics and journalists disagree with you vehemently

        Although Vincent-Denis just started here, all three of his under-punctuated, well-spaced comments are essentially the same, and are especially good if you read their fragments together as a run-on sentence in Napoleon Dynamite’s voice.

      111. @eD
        "The fact that Bloomberg, running on either the Republican or an independent line, was able to beat Democrats 3 times in a row really says something. Democrats outnumber Republicans 5 to 1 in NYC so to overcome that advantage, even by a thin margin, is amazing. The last Republican mayor of Chicago was elected in 1927."

        This is actually a furphy. Other than the awkward part about Bloomberg being a Democrat who was using the New York state GOP as a flag of convenience -I think he had even deregistered by the party by the time of his third election- New York City had Republican mayors for a majority of the years between 1933 and 2013 (40 out of 70 years). The dates are a bit cherrypicked, but that is still a substantial fraction of the time since greater New York was incorporated in 1898. You could argue that Lindsay's second term shouldn't count, since he ran on the Liberal line and there was a Republican candidate opposing him, but then you could argue that Koch's second term should count since he was formally the Republican nominee as well as the Democratic nominee.

        In fact even in mayoral elections the Democrats won, the Republican candidate usually got a respectable vote percentage, the big exception being 1976, which was a contest between Koch running as a Democrat and Cuomo running as a Liberal, and the GOP backed Koch despite there being nominally a separate Republican candidate. NYC politically has something of the New England tradition (as do the other Mid Atlantic states to some extent) of electing Republicans to the chief executive office and Democrats for everything else.

        As with so many places in America, in NYC it is a waste of time to talk about elections in LaGuardia’s time in NYC as a predictor for what’s happening now, given the racial transformation of the population.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        They say that "the past is a different country". Nowhere is that true as much as it is in NYC. The NYC of 1934 might as well be on a different PLANET than the NYC of 2020. Much of the bricks and mortar are the same but in many areas there has been 100% population replacement. In some cases, the population has turned over 2 or 3 times since then.
      112. @eD
        Bloomberg did win three elections as Mayor of New York, which is three more elections than Trump won before running for President. However he outspent his opponents by ridiculous amounts and also had the favorable free media coverage advantage in all of them. Parts of the Democratic machine even supported them in at least one of the elections. But two of those elections were close, in one the margin was razor thin. I suspect this won't work in national elections. Bloomberg's spending in those races was of a scale that he could have just given each New York voter a substantial amount directly to vote for him. Trump was outspent by a substantial margin in the 2016 general election.

        While Bloomberg has the advantage over Trump in that Bloomberg really is a billionaire, Trump's policy positions are actually pretty popular.

        I still resent Bloomberg for changing the rules midstream. When he was elected, there was a two-term limit for mayor. This is why Rudy Giuliani was unable to be mayor starting in 2002 even though he would have won in a landslide.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        Changing the rules to eliminate term limits in order to benefit yourself is a pretty standard politician move all over the world. Maybe it's jerky and egotistical but so are most politicians. Arguably term limits are anti-democratic because they limit the ability of the voters to elect whom they want.
        , @Paleo Liberal
        Giuliani had pretty much worn out his welcome as mayor after 2 terms. He was quite unpopular as if September 10 of 2001. He did have a surge of popularity after 9/11 that might have gotten him re-elected, but it was not a given. Remember at that time he had been kicked out of the mayoral mansion (Gracie Mansion) as part of his separation agreement and was living in the guest room of a gay Democratic couple.

        Giuliani’s surge in popularity after 9/11 was a huge factor in getting Bloomberg elected. Still, if Dinkins and Sharpton hadn’t turned on Mark Green for failing to properly kiss their butts, Green probably would have been elected anyway.
      113. @Inquiring Mind
        Does anyone here know what a Bloomberg Terminal really is?

        When you hear the word "terminal", you think that Bloomberg-the-company is overcharging for one of those toilet-bowl-shaped VT100 "dumb terminals" connected by a phone connection to an IBM computer at a central locations when everyone else has changed to the Internet.

        Wikipedia describes a Bloomberg Terminal as a Web app that runs on a PC with a half-dozen displays filling half a wall. The Bloomberg Terminal app looks like the control panel to the starship Enterprise if the TOS wasn't filmed on such a low budget.

        Before the Internet, the high-technology thing was the telephone. Who here has seen one of these old movies where a "stock trader" was a guy who had a dozen phones on his desk, and when each one rings he picks it up and barks into the receive, "Buy!" or "Sell!" Today's financial trader has a half dozen 4K monitors in front of the desk showing real-time squiggles of all the markets and is clicking on "Buy!" or "Sell!" That is the Bloomberg Terminal.

        The closest thing may be the lock on the computer database market held by Larry Ellison. An Oracle database is the industrial-strength pro-model of the toy database software you might run on your PC to keep track of who has paid their dues to the Cub Scouts. If you work for a big enough company, your employee record is probably in an Oracle Database. So Larry and Mike are kinda, roughly, the same kind of billionaire who managed to get a first-mover monopoly lock on an expensive software program that works behind-the-scenes and the average person doesn't encounter directly, sort of the opposite of Facebook or Microsoft Office.

        Oracle has a lock on nothing except ancient legacy systems, and not even there really. It’s cheaper to keep it than migrate–sometimes.

      114. @craig
        What a maroon.

        Bugs Bunny is the confident, streetwise manipulator and escape artist. He's always eager to wave the flag and beat the drum and crack wise (in an outer-borough accent, no less), and he enjoys baiting his opponents into mistakes.

        Elmer Fudd is the glum I've-got-you-now pursuer, perpetually convinced that this time, his superior firepower will win the day and finally get for him what he is sure he deserves. He is driven in his anger to take the bait (always), and outraged when his schemes fall apart.

        Correlation of these archetypes to contemporary American political figures is left as an exercise for the reader.

        I have no idea what you are talking about but it’s a little known fact that Elmer’s full name is Elmer Pelosi Fudd.

      115. @Twodees Partain
        MiniMike's whiny voice will put him at a disadvantage in a debate. Seems he could have availed himself of a voice coach with all of his money. Whatever he spent on a box to stand on was wasted.

        I’ve said this until I’m blue in the face: Why don’t politicians hire voice coaches?

        Actors do it. Politics is acting for nerds. Why doesn’t Ted Cruz have a better voice by now?

        Between Reagan and Trump, it’s clear that politicians should be taking more cues from Hollywood for their own benefit.

        • Replies: @Smithsonian_6

        I’ve said this until I’m blue in the face: Why don’t politicians hire voice coaches?
         
        Margaret Thatcher was famous for having a voice coach, her PM voice was considerably huskier than her MP voice.
        , @Twodees Partain
        True, it's acting for nerds. It's also show biz for ugly people though some, like Liz Warren, abuse the privilege. Given time, the politicians will form an awards committee to hand out little trophies for things like Biggest Lie Told on Camera, and The Most Retarded Line in a Speech.

        I remember one of Hillary's early Senate floor speeches and one really cringeworthy line:

        "We've gone from CO2 to see ya later". Maybe they can give her a posthumous award for that one.
        , @Ganderson
        Politics is show biz for ugly people. I’m not sure who said it first, but generally true. Tulsi’s the only one even close to good looking, and she’s a dead woman walking
      116. @ScarletNumber
        I still resent Bloomberg for changing the rules midstream. When he was elected, there was a two-term limit for mayor. This is why Rudy Giuliani was unable to be mayor starting in 2002 even though he would have won in a landslide.

        Changing the rules to eliminate term limits in order to benefit yourself is a pretty standard politician move all over the world. Maybe it’s jerky and egotistical but so are most politicians. Arguably term limits are anti-democratic because they limit the ability of the voters to elect whom they want.

        • Replies: @Twodees Partain
        - Arguably term limits are anti-democratic because they limit the ability of the voters to elect whom they want.-

        That might be true if elections were contests in which the votes were counted and the one with the most votes won.
        , @Mr McKenna
        You've defended Bloomberg against every single criticism here, and generally quite ably. He should hire you! Curious though: is there anything--no matter how small--that you don't like about the guy?
      117. @eD
        "The fact that Bloomberg, running on either the Republican or an independent line, was able to beat Democrats 3 times in a row really says something. Democrats outnumber Republicans 5 to 1 in NYC so to overcome that advantage, even by a thin margin, is amazing. The last Republican mayor of Chicago was elected in 1927."

        This is actually a furphy. Other than the awkward part about Bloomberg being a Democrat who was using the New York state GOP as a flag of convenience -I think he had even deregistered by the party by the time of his third election- New York City had Republican mayors for a majority of the years between 1933 and 2013 (40 out of 70 years). The dates are a bit cherrypicked, but that is still a substantial fraction of the time since greater New York was incorporated in 1898. You could argue that Lindsay's second term shouldn't count, since he ran on the Liberal line and there was a Republican candidate opposing him, but then you could argue that Koch's second term should count since he was formally the Republican nominee as well as the Democratic nominee.

        In fact even in mayoral elections the Democrats won, the Republican candidate usually got a respectable vote percentage, the big exception being 1976, which was a contest between Koch running as a Democrat and Cuomo running as a Liberal, and the GOP backed Koch despite there being nominally a separate Republican candidate. NYC politically has something of the New England tradition (as do the other Mid Atlantic states to some extent) of electing Republicans to the chief executive office and Democrats for everything else.

        New York City had Republican mayors for a majority of the years between 1933 and 2013 (40 out of 70 years)

        Except that 1933 to 2013 is 80 years. So it is 40 out of 80, counting the mayor as being a member of the party he was first elected from.

      118. Uh, about that.

      119. @Vince Dennis
        Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by s whopping 4 million
        Trump didn't win

        He used Russian interference and the platform of of racists to win the electoral college an outdated needless institution

        How do you guys contend with the fact People of Color academics and journalists disagree with you vehemently

        “Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by s whopping 4 million”

        Are you sure about that? I heard she won by 6 gorillion.

        • LOL: Twodees Partain
      120. @Vince Dennis
        Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by s whopping 4 million
        Trump didn't win

        He used Russian interference and the platform of of racists to win the electoral college an outdated needless institution

        How do you guys contend with the fact People of Color academics and journalists disagree with you vehemently

        Yeah, Lynyrd Pitts said as much.

      121. @neprof
        My favorite was Yosemite Sam. Always hoped he'd fill that lily livered rabbit full of lead. Never liked the smug rabbit with the Brooklyn accent.

        Never liked the smug rabbit with the Brooklyn accent.

        For what it’s worth, Coney Island was named for its leporine population.

        Also, the Portuguese surname Coelho, as in the author or the former US Congressman, means “rabbit”. I saw it on a menu in Lisbon, but ordered octopus instead.

        Speaking of Coney Island and octopodes…

        • Replies: @ChrisZ
        uhh ... hail Hydra?
      122. @MC
        I've said this until I'm blue in the face: Why don't politicians hire voice coaches?

        Actors do it. Politics is acting for nerds. Why doesn't Ted Cruz have a better voice by now?

        Between Reagan and Trump, it's clear that politicians should be taking more cues from Hollywood for their own benefit.

        I’ve said this until I’m blue in the face: Why don’t politicians hire voice coaches?

        Margaret Thatcher was famous for having a voice coach, her PM voice was considerably huskier than her MP voice.

      123. @keypusher
        As with so many places in America, in NYC it is a waste of time to talk about elections in LaGuardia's time in NYC as a predictor for what's happening now, given the racial transformation of the population.

        They say that “the past is a different country”. Nowhere is that true as much as it is in NYC. The NYC of 1934 might as well be on a different PLANET than the NYC of 2020. Much of the bricks and mortar are the same but in many areas there has been 100% population replacement. In some cases, the population has turned over 2 or 3 times since then.

      124. @Vince Dennis
        Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by s whopping 4 million
        Trump didn't win

        He used Russian interference and the platform of of racists to win the electoral college an outdated needless institution

        How do you guys contend with the fact People of Color academics and journalists disagree with you vehemently

        He used Russian interference

        • Replies: @El Dato
        I don't recognize anything on this pic.
      125. Given the blinkered nature of so many of the comments, maybe I should re-phrase what I was trying to say in a less cartoonish fashion. (Though I do believe, as some say about eyes, that good cartoons are the windows of the soul. Ernie Bushmiller is way more important than Paul Krugman. Elzie Seger trumps Sigmund Freud. What John Ashbery has to say about Popeye and the Sea Hag is far more interesting than what he says about the French Revolution.)

        Here’s a more poindexterish take, for those of you who insist on being poindexters….

        Frank O’Hara always beats Robert Lowell. (see “Lana Turner Has Collapsed!”)

        Dorothy Parker always beats Sylvia Plath (except in “The Bell Jar,” which is actually hilarious.), but she somehow never beats Anne Sexton, so there’s an asterisk there.

        Walt Whitman always beats Alfred Lord Tennyson, though it’s close.

        In the more advanced rounds, it is unclear whether Robert Frost beats Wallace Stevens, or the reverse. But it’s quite clear that Thomas Pynchon always beats John Barth, no question.

        And of course, Roy Orbison rules over us all.

        • Replies: @Twodees Partain
        Nope...sorry. Buddy Holly always beats Roy Orbison.
      126. @Jack D
        Saabs were "different" (and not in a good way for most people, but they had a certain base - if Saab was still around and Bernie Bros still drove cars then Saab would be the official car of the Bernie voter) But by the time GM got done with them, they were basically rebadged Opels and Chevies (and sometimes even Subarus) and so the brand had no reason for being at all.

        if Saab was still around and Bernie Bros still drove cars then Saab would be the official car of the Bernie voter

        I don’t know… they might prefer Prius. Lefty profs with Saabs were a ’70s thing.

        Kurt Vonnegut, of all people, was one of the first Saab dealers in America:

        Vonnegut. Saab.

        Have I Got a Car for You!

        (and sometimes even Subarus)

        Actually, I think Subaru would have been the ideal purchaser of Saab. Not just for the letters, but for their similar histories and philosophy. Both were big on front-wheel drive before most of the rest of the world caught on. Saabs were originally pushed in mountainous areas, like the Catskills. Even though the free-wheeling (available until about 1972) would have made that scary.

        I saw my first Saab at a rural county fair tent in New York in 1968.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
        The early Subaru mechanicals were largely copied from the VW. They basically turned the engine and trans around. The big change was water cooling.

        The water cooled pushrod Subaru engine is about indestructible. Overhead cam models were a deprovement.
      127. @Hypnotoad666
        Further advice for Trump: Do not, under any circumstances, attempt to use ACME brand products in your campaign.

        If ACME had been a real company, product liability lawsuits would have driven it out of business by now.

        • Replies: @Hypnotoad666

        If ACME had been a real company, product liability lawsuits would have driven it out of business by now.
         
        Very true. On the other hand, most jurisdictions do not allow lawsuits by ducks and coyotes. So ACME would have that going for it, at least.
        , @Known Fact
        There's actually an East Coast supermarket chain named Acme -- what were they thinking? I keep waiting for a rye bread or bag of frozen shrimp to blow up in my face
        , @Anon7
        Don't miss reading about the case of Coyote v. Acme, a landmark in modern jurisprudence.

        https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1990/02/26/coyote-v-acme
        , @Mr. Anon

        If ACME had been a real company, product liability lawsuits would have driven it out of business by now.
         
        I think it is a real company. It's now called Lockheed-Martin.
      128. Chris Murphy, Senator from Connecticut, admits that he met with the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran without State Department knowledge and then tried to keep the meeting a secret. This is the same guy who wanted Michael Flynn imprisoned for publicly meeting with a Russian diplomat in Flynn’s capacity as a foreign policy office holder of the incoming government and not, you know, some goat-bothering yahoo from a mountain acting on his own. Does anything matter when office holders are allowed to do things like this?
        https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/18/after-stonewalling-for-days-sen-chris-murphy-finally-admits-he-secretly-met-with-iranian-regime-in-munich/

      129. Steve how much do I have to donate to your quarterly kitchen fund to get my posts approved as some of the absolutely freezing takes that are making it past your Komment Kontrol?

      130. Here is the key to a potential Bloomberg victory (are you listening, Trump interns?)

        Stack two or three phone books on top of each other and stand on top of it.

        • Replies: @bigdicknick
        Bloomberg literally released a press statement saying he will NOT be standing on a box at tonight's debate. Shades of elizabeth warren releasing her dna test. Drumpthf is like the ultimate middle school bully.
      131. @Hail
        I predict Bloomberg is a Racist will be the main point of attack.

        It's not clear who benefits. The White-Catholic man approaching eighty? The White-Jewish man approaching eighty? The scolding White woman librarian-type? The less-scolding but similar White woman librarian-type? The weird-name Gay CIA asset?

        I have to ask who you consider the “less-scolding type” between Klobuchar and Warren.

        In addition to pointing out the “racism” it may be more effective to point out that Bloomberg loathes if not outright hates the average voter. Like Hillary I doubt Bloomberg can turn this trait off and make a convincing case he respects the average American worker. I doubt any remaining Democrat could do this though. As to who benefits, wouldn’t it be the front runner, who is the Jewish man approaching 80? Bloomberg is making it easier for Sanders to become the nominee by dividing the anti-Bernie vote.

      132. @Bumpkin
        Bloomberg is a very intelligent guy and would do a good job as chief bureaucrat, but like many such guys

        1. voters hate super-smart guys who are super smug about it, as Mike usually is.

        2. he thinks because he's so intelligent he knows best about many things he knows little about, such as gun control.

        3. he has a habit of blabbing the truth a lot, such as in all these videos popping up now, when a politician's job is to lie well.

        He has no shot at beating Trump, I doubt he could even win a political primary, for any party.

        He has no shot at beating Trump, I doubt he could even win a political primary, for any party.

        I don’t have any major disagreements with any of your three points, but I suspect Bloomberg will win at least one political primary on Super Tuesday.

        Even if Bloomberg does win a few primaries, your overall assessment is correct. He doesn’t have the chops for retail politics.

      133. @ScarletNumber
        I still resent Bloomberg for changing the rules midstream. When he was elected, there was a two-term limit for mayor. This is why Rudy Giuliani was unable to be mayor starting in 2002 even though he would have won in a landslide.

        Giuliani had pretty much worn out his welcome as mayor after 2 terms. He was quite unpopular as if September 10 of 2001. He did have a surge of popularity after 9/11 that might have gotten him re-elected, but it was not a given. Remember at that time he had been kicked out of the mayoral mansion (Gracie Mansion) as part of his separation agreement and was living in the guest room of a gay Democratic couple.

        Giuliani’s surge in popularity after 9/11 was a huge factor in getting Bloomberg elected. Still, if Dinkins and Sharpton hadn’t turned on Mark Green for failing to properly kiss their butts, Green probably would have been elected anyway.

        • Replies: @ScarletNumber
        I concede that if 9/11 hadn't happened, Giuliani would not be thought of so highly and no one one would have wanted for him to serve a third term. Of course, he tried to ride 9/11 to the White House in 2008.
      134. @Paleo Liberal
        Bill Bradley tried, but lost in the primaries to Al Gore.

        Sometimes the short straw wins. Worked for Carter once.

        Bradley got the least out of his height as any American politician I can think of. He was stoop-shouldered and had a rounded back. And his chin seemed to dip directly into his chest.

        • Replies: @R.G. Camara
        Bradley got played by Gore big time. Bradley never learned how to play dirty on Gore's level. Gore and Bradley were on a talk show once during the run and Gore made a wild proposal and stuck out his hand to Bradley to try to seal the deal, and Bradley's rejection of the handshake was awkward and made him seem weak and unprepared. It was a display of the difference between a lifetime Swamp Rat and a true believer 1960s lefty.
      135. @eD
        I find political theories based off of Donald Trump's legendary defeat of Hillary Clinton in 2016 run into the insuperable difficulty that Trump got fewer votes than Clinton.

        I find political theories based off of Donald Trump’s legendary defeat of Hillary Clinton in 2016 run into the insuperable difficulty that Trump got fewer votes than Clinton.

        Hillary Clinton holds the dubious distinction of running in two sure-thing elections and losing both of them. What does it matter if the elections are both close when she was supposed to win them easily?

        Hillary was a lock to win the 2008 Democratic nomination. And then she lost to a guy who said in 2006 that he didn’t think he should run because he wasn’t ready. Who cares if the election was close? She had all the advantages. She should’ve won with little trouble.

        Hillary was then a lock to win the presidency as the Democratic nominee in 2016. She was running against a political neophyte whose campaign for the GOP nomination had caused a civil war among GOP elites, with many defecting the party. She also had the entire mainstream media on her side. As a result, she was widely expected to win the election up until election day.

        What’s more, Hillary’s entire margin of victory in the popular vote came in just one state (California) in which Trump never bothered to even run and in which many Republicans stayed home.

        Take solace, if you like, in Hillary’s victory in the popular vote. It counted for absolutely nothing.

      136. Bloomberg is a walking anti-Semitic stereotype; I can’t help but suspect that he was spawned in an alt-right lab. I mean, where to begin? He’s obscenely rich, made his money via the financial industry, controls a media empire, is a globalist who has major business investments in China – and is literally trying to buy an election. This is some real Protocols of the Elders of Zion stuff.

        Not to mention that he’s an arrogant, charmless 5’7 man with an annoying voice.

        Sorry, but while his candidacy should very much be taken seriously, I don’t see him winning. Money can only get you so far.

        • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

        This is some real Protocols of the Elders of Zion stuff.
         
        Indeed!

        https://twitter.com/blakezeff/status/1227976207779557376
      137. @Vince Dennis
        Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by s whopping 4 million
        Trump didn't win

        He used Russian interference and the platform of of racists to win the electoral college an outdated needless institution

        How do you guys contend with the fact People of Color academics and journalists disagree with you vehemently

        How do you guys contend with the fact People of Color academics and journalists disagree with you vehemently

        By saving up our shame-faced excuses for actual academics and journalists. Luckily for us, they’re all practically extinct these days.

      138. Too bad Bloomberg’s debate appearance won’t be as funny as the SNL skits. Has SNL joked about his height yet?

      139. @MEH 0910

        He used Russian interference
         
        https://www.mythdetector.ge/sites/default/files/2017-10/22375419_1928654560484006_1996753860_o_0.jpg

        I don’t recognize anything on this pic.

        • Replies: @MEH 0910

        I don’t recognize anything on this pic.
         
        https://www.mythdetector.ge/en/myth/russian-government-threatened-yellow-rubber-ducks
        I believe that's Spasskaya Tower of the Moscow Kremlin in the background. I thought that was a bad caricature of Putin running, but I'm not sure. No idea who the man is who's holding the rubber duck, with me using said duck as a stand-in for commenter Tiny Duck "Vince Dennis".

        Maybe I should have gone with a different duck/Russian conspiracy picture.
        http://i.imgur.com/kGCFcNA.jpg
      140. @Vince Dennis
        Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by s whopping 4 million
        Trump didn't win

        He used Russian interference and the platform of of racists to win the electoral college an outdated needless institution

        How do you guys contend with the fact People of Color academics and journalists disagree with you vehemently

        You have no idea how deeply despicable and worthless people of color and even more academics and journalists are.

        They are one and all worthless scum from Tyrone on death row to the presidents of every college in America and every journalist. Every opinion they have, every word they say and write is wrong wrong wrong.

      141. Is that an ACME box Bloomberg is standing on?

      142. @peterike

        Trump will not enjoy the Bugs Bunny advantage this time around,

         
        Why not? Trump is still the outsider, still the free-thinker crashing up against the system. Granted, he has managed only to tweak the system at the margins and hasn't blown it to bits as many of us hoped. Hell, he hasn't even put a single of the conspirators against him into jail (while people on his side were routinely jailed for abjectly fake process crimes).

        Trump's problem isn't the tweeting and "tantrums" -- those are his greatest strength. That's Trump constantly letting the world know how corrupt the system really is, including the media. Trump doesn't even really have tantrums, he just gets pissed -- the media has tantrums in response and paints Trump in their own colors.

        Trump's real problem is that he's weak. Time and again he defers to process and following the rules, rather than just doing what the hell he wants, like Obama did. By now Trump should have told a dozen nobody judges to get soaked and openly defied their rulings. But no, it's always follow-the-rules with Trump, and for this he gets painted by the media as an unhinged dictator. He can't even get his own Justice Department to prosecute people for 100% known lies to the FBI, Congress, etc. Weak.

        Debates will be interesting though, since the stupidest knock on Trump is that he's "not that intelligent." He's about ten times as intelligent as any President since, I dunno, Coolidge probably. The Democrats have a field of dunces, other than Bloomberg. But Bloomberg will be constrained by having to play to the Left. It's all going to be very interesting, but my guess is vote fraud will insure Trump loses in just enough states to lose re-election. Combating vote fraud is another area where he's been weak. By now he should have completely blown-up the fraud and vote harvesters. Hundreds of people should be in jail, if not thousands. Nothing has happened.

        Trump’s real problem is that he’s weak. Time and again he defers to process and following the rules, rather than just doing what the hell he wants, like Obama did. By now Trump should have told a dozen nobody judges to get soaked and openly defied their rulings. But no, it’s always follow-the-rules with Trump, and for this he gets painted by the media as an unhinged dictator. He can’t even get his own Justice Department to prosecute people for 100% known lies to the FBI, Congress, etc. Weak.

        He is in the process of saving the US Constitutional system, not destroying it and starting over from scratch.

        You are absolutely correct, he doesn’t want to go the lawless Obama route. He wants to leave the US government better than he found it.

        And people like McCabe aren’t going to jail on perjury charges, Durham is going to hit them with much more serious charges.

      143. Anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:

        Why is it that the people who found their pants around their ankles when Trump got elected still feel they have anything strategically worthwhile to add?

        Trump will remain Bugs Bunny, while Bloomberg will play Schwatzaphobic Jewish Yosemite Sam, with predictable results.

        And now, it’s time to watch your favorite video! Again!!

        • Thanks: donut, European-American
      144. @Jenner Ickham Errican

        Trump got fewer votes than Clinton
         
        Yeah, but Clinton got lesser votes. She had quantity, he had quality.

        Didn’t Trump allude to it? “She aimed for the popular vote, I aimed for the electoral vote. We both got what we wanted.”

        • Replies: @Jenner Ickham Errican

        “She aimed for the popular vote, I aimed for the electoral vote…”
         
        I’m referring to the relative (patriotic) quality of the respective voters themselves, not the technical process.
      145. @International Jew
        If ACME had been a real company, product liability lawsuits would have driven it out of business by now.

        If ACME had been a real company, product liability lawsuits would have driven it out of business by now.

        Very true. On the other hand, most jurisdictions do not allow lawsuits by ducks and coyotes. So ACME would have that going for it, at least.

        • Replies: @donut
        Give it time .
      146. Post Brexit UK replaces Polish people with Indians, policy implemented by an Indo-Brit herself. Can’t make this up.
        https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/new-uk-visa-system-shuts-eu-s-low-skilled-to-benefit-indian-professionals/story-QbqmAwPBRagaE2SsluA7PP.html

        I’m really thinking we should want Trump to loose, this election feels awfully similar to 2004 where the underlying economy was sick but was propped up by an artificial bubble whose eventual implosion did the most damage to the cause of W’s most ardent supporters – so cons. Me thinks this time it will be the border and wall crowd who will take it on a chin after the market implodes in 2021 under Trump.

        How different the world would have been had 70k people changed their vote in Ohio to Kerry in 2004? Housing implosion would have happened under him and border issues would have been center in 2008.

        • Agree: Hail
        • Replies: @Precious
        I’m really thinking we should want Trump to loose, this election feels awfully similar to 2004 where the underlying economy was sick but was propped up by an artificial bubble whose eventual implosion did the most damage to the cause of W’s most ardent supporters – so cons. Me thinks this time it will be the border and wall crowd who will take it on a chin after the market implodes in 2021 under Trump.

        Trump is the one guy you want as President when the next financial crisis happens. He will prioritize Americans over saving the banks. And if anyone has to take a haircut, it will be the government and the billionaires over the US taxpayer. The normal legislation introduced in times of economic crisis, that typically try to strangle private business, would be vetoed by him because he doesn't want his family businesses strangled by them.

        Trump wants to be remembered as the best president since George Washington. He can't surpass Andrew Jackson unless he tames a financial crisis by making the banks choke on their own balance sheets.
      147. OT hilarity:

        Director Steven Spielberg’s Daughter Mikaela Announces Porn Career

        https://www.breitbart.com/entertainment/2020/02/19/director-steven-spielbergs-daughter-mikaela-announces-porn-career/

        This is deliciously hilarious fail on so many levels.

        I will spare the gentle reader any pics and merely say 1/10, WNB!!!

      148. @GamecockJerry
        As someone who grew up on Long Island, his NY Jew voice is like nails on a chalkboard.

        Trumpslide 2020.

        Would you believe–I’ve never heard the man speak? I watch absolutely no television and generally avoid videos online as well. Not to mention that I’ve little interest in hearing him anyway. You’ve got that interest piqued a bit though, but just a bit. I think I’ll just take your word for it.

        Agree with the other commenter though: people should hire voice coaches. It’s not rocket science, but someone like the notoriously self-infatuated Bloomberg isn’t ever going to do it. I’m sure he thinks his voice is the very sonic image of ‘dulcimer tones’. Who’s going to tell him otherwise?

        Nonetheless, if his voice is very offensive or grating, I’ve little doubt that it’ll occur to some people that they don’t want to listen to it for four years. An interesting angle.

      149. Germ Theory of Disease makes such a laughable claim that I now believe disease is caused by noxious miasmas.

        • Thanks: Redneck farmer
        • LOL: Lot
      150. @Jack D
        Edison invented the stock ticker. Did this make him a neoliberal too?

        Bloomberg made his money precisely in the old fashioned way - he invented a better mousetrap. That it was a kind of mousetrap that stockbrokers buy (actually rent) doesn't change that.

        I guess neoliberal is now an alt.right dirty word, along with neoconservative. Neo-anything is bad I guess if you are a reactionary.

        That was well-parried, even if I do sort of agree with the other guy 😉

      151. anon[352] • Disclaimer says:

        I’m not saying that the DNC is a gerontocracy, but the current spat between Sanders staffers and Bloomberg’s staff has to do with health: Bloomberg had a cardiac stent put in 15 or more years ago, Bernie had his “cardiac event” last October.

        Basically, The staffers are arguing over which candidate has had the most heart attacks.

        They are both 78 years old. Trump is younger!

        • Replies: @Alden
        The billionaire vs The Bolshevik.

        What I’d like to see is Bloomberg becoming Trump’s VP candidate, the two Noo Yawkers winning and fundamentalist anti gay anti abortion anti everything the liberals love Pence appointed to the Supreme Court.

        That would be a show as the liberals exploded.
      152. @Anon
        OT: I have no idea if this is accurate or fake news: China seeks court's approval to kill over 20,000 patients with the coronavirus to avoid further spread of the disease: Link is below.

        Well, it's certainly a typical Chinese (and Communist for that matter) solution to the problem.

        https://twitter.com/LW_VNS/status/1230084036447440896

        It won't help, though. It's already out of control in China.

        Beware of the source, an anomyous Japanese who claims to be part of the QAnon movement.

        They use the hashtag “#QArmyJapanFlynn.” THe first three words I get, but what’s with “Flynn”?

        • Replies: @Anon
        "Flynn" refers to General Flynn, whom the QAnon people believe is part of the military personnel fighting a secret war with the Deep State.
        , @MikeatMikedotMike
        Send the article to Godfree Roberts anyway and watch his little head explode.
      153. @MC
        I've said this until I'm blue in the face: Why don't politicians hire voice coaches?

        Actors do it. Politics is acting for nerds. Why doesn't Ted Cruz have a better voice by now?

        Between Reagan and Trump, it's clear that politicians should be taking more cues from Hollywood for their own benefit.

        True, it’s acting for nerds. It’s also show biz for ugly people though some, like Liz Warren, abuse the privilege. Given time, the politicians will form an awards committee to hand out little trophies for things like Biggest Lie Told on Camera, and The Most Retarded Line in a Speech.

        I remember one of Hillary’s early Senate floor speeches and one really cringeworthy line:

        “We’ve gone from CO2 to see ya later”. Maybe they can give her a posthumous award for that one.

      154. @Anon
        OT: This is a good example of nature over nurture. Headline: "Steven Spielberg's daughter launches adult entertainment career, says dad supports her sex worker ambitions."

        You too, can be rich and spoiled, and still want to be a prostitute.

        https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/steven-spielberg-daughter-porn-star

        Mikaela Spielberg, one of the famed director’s seven children, has begun self-producing solo adult film videos at the age of 23, she told The Sun.

        Spielberg’s daughter, who lives in Nashville, Tenn., has already submitted an application to become a sex worker

        Mikaela is currently engaged to a man named Chuck Pankow, 47, who also is rallying behind her budding adult entertainment career.

        This reads like a satire designed to be shocking but too implausible to be effective.

        On right is Mikaela Spielberg, substantial Subsaharan ancestry:

        Spielberg and Capshaw adopted Mikaela in 1996 and she grew up in the film industry

        • Replies: @Lot
        What the heck man, no link?!?
        , @JerryC
        The nurture over nature folks would point to "grew up in the film industry" as the reason she's so messed up...and they would have a point.
        , @Anonymous
        Sheeeeeeeeeiiiiit!
        , @Not Raul
        Is “Chuck Pankow” even a real name? Pankow is the neighborhood of Berlin where East German bigwigs had their main residences. “Pankow” was used as a metonym for the East German regime, just like “the Kremlin” was used as a metonym for the leadership of the Soviet Union.
      155. @Jack D
        Changing the rules to eliminate term limits in order to benefit yourself is a pretty standard politician move all over the world. Maybe it's jerky and egotistical but so are most politicians. Arguably term limits are anti-democratic because they limit the ability of the voters to elect whom they want.

        – Arguably term limits are anti-democratic because they limit the ability of the voters to elect whom they want.-

        That might be true if elections were contests in which the votes were counted and the one with the most votes won.

      156. @The Germ Theory of Disease
        Given the blinkered nature of so many of the comments, maybe I should re-phrase what I was trying to say in a less cartoonish fashion. (Though I do believe, as some say about eyes, that good cartoons are the windows of the soul. Ernie Bushmiller is way more important than Paul Krugman. Elzie Seger trumps Sigmund Freud. What John Ashbery has to say about Popeye and the Sea Hag is far more interesting than what he says about the French Revolution.)

        Here's a more poindexterish take, for those of you who insist on being poindexters....

        Frank O'Hara always beats Robert Lowell. (see "Lana Turner Has Collapsed!")

        Dorothy Parker always beats Sylvia Plath (except in "The Bell Jar," which is actually hilarious.), but she somehow never beats Anne Sexton, so there's an asterisk there.

        Walt Whitman always beats Alfred Lord Tennyson, though it's close.

        In the more advanced rounds, it is unclear whether Robert Frost beats Wallace Stevens, or the reverse. But it's quite clear that Thomas Pynchon always beats John Barth, no question.

        And of course, Roy Orbison rules over us all.

        Nope…sorry. Buddy Holly always beats Roy Orbison.

      157. @Jack D
        Changing the rules to eliminate term limits in order to benefit yourself is a pretty standard politician move all over the world. Maybe it's jerky and egotistical but so are most politicians. Arguably term limits are anti-democratic because they limit the ability of the voters to elect whom they want.

        You’ve defended Bloomberg against every single criticism here, and generally quite ably. He should hire you! Curious though: is there anything–no matter how small–that you don’t like about the guy?

        • Replies: @Jack D
        I think he has had to move considerably to the Left in order to stand a chance in today's woke Democrat party. And apologizing never works - when the sharks see that they have drawn blood they just go in for the kill.
        , @Johann Ricke

        You’ve defended Bloomberg against every single criticism here, and generally quite ably. He should hire you! Curious though: is there anything–no matter how small–that you don’t like about the guy?
         
        I don't like that he's a gun controller. I don't like that he's a liberal and will appoint liberal Supreme Court justices. I don't like that he might actually win the nomination and defeat Trump. I dislike his religious adherence to the man-made global warming end-of-the-world cult/boondoggle. And his open-borders stance is, of course, a non-starter. But if a Democrat were fated to win, Bloomberg would be the least worst Democrat in this bunch.

        During WWII, a fighter squadron was dispatched to take care of an enemy general - a man named Yamamoto. If we were at war, the Democrats were the enemy, the candidates were enemy generals in transit flying on separate planes on separate routes and we only had one fighter squadron available for the job, my pick for the person to target would be Bloomberg. Because he is the man most likely to defeat Trump.
      158. @Paleo Liberal
        Giuliani had pretty much worn out his welcome as mayor after 2 terms. He was quite unpopular as if September 10 of 2001. He did have a surge of popularity after 9/11 that might have gotten him re-elected, but it was not a given. Remember at that time he had been kicked out of the mayoral mansion (Gracie Mansion) as part of his separation agreement and was living in the guest room of a gay Democratic couple.

        Giuliani’s surge in popularity after 9/11 was a huge factor in getting Bloomberg elected. Still, if Dinkins and Sharpton hadn’t turned on Mark Green for failing to properly kiss their butts, Green probably would have been elected anyway.

        I concede that if 9/11 hadn’t happened, Giuliani would not be thought of so highly and no one one would have wanted for him to serve a third term. Of course, he tried to ride 9/11 to the White House in 2008.

      159. @Jack Henson
        More ridiculous hot takes from the Steve commentariat that are wildly incorrect based off their autistic interpretations of human behavior.

        Can we get a rainbow puzzle piece next to some of y'alls names so new people know "Please be patient, I have autism"?

        Goodness knows Trump has been a let down in some regards, but "I'm going to take your guns, raise your taxes, and you're gonna pay for illegal alien sex change operations" isn't the message that's going to breach the steel curtain states, no matter how many billions Bloomberg throws at black pastors.

        Can we get a rainbow puzzle piece next to some of y’alls names so new people know “Please be patient, I have autism”?

        This is a brilliant idea. The only issue is that autism is so prevalent here that we would be overrun by puzzle pieces 😉

      160. @El Dato
        I don't recognize anything on this pic.

        I don’t recognize anything on this pic.

        https://www.mythdetector.ge/en/myth/russian-government-threatened-yellow-rubber-ducks
        I believe that’s Spasskaya Tower of the Moscow Kremlin in the background. I thought that was a bad caricature of Putin running, but I’m not sure. No idea who the man is who’s holding the rubber duck, with me using said duck as a stand-in for commenter Tiny Duck “Vince Dennis”.

        Maybe I should have gone with a different duck/Russian conspiracy picture.

      161. @Anonymouse
        I drove that model car once - actually owned by a friend. 3 cylinder 2 cycle engine - you added a can of lawnmower oil to every fill-up. Said to be good in the snow. Otherwise as minimal as a car can get this side of a Trabant.

        I drove that model car once – actually owned by a friend. 3 cylinder 2 cycle engine – you added a can of lawnmower oil to every fill-up.

        They switched to four-stroke in 1967, and kept free-wheeling until 1971 or 1972. So those are the years you want to shop for. The pump-and-coast models.

        Interestingly, Saabs and Volvos always had left-hand drive, even though Sweden didn’t drive on the right until 1967. That’s a highly dangerous situation, which exists in the Bahamas and US Virgin Islands to this day.

        Perhaps that explains Swedish automakers’ obsession with safety.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
        Two stroke Saab’s are more fun and a better collectible. They get poor mileage but who cares? The Ford made V4 is much heavier, and no easier to get parts for anymore. At one time a lot were in use in ag equipment but that has died out.
      162. Trump is really good at picking out enemies he can beat. As I’ve oft stated before, 2016 was a great time for him to run because he correctly foresaw that Hillary Clinton would be the D nominee. Trump knows he has large negatives, but he also knew Hillary was one of the few people with negatives greater than his.

        Trump also did this with “the Squad.” By making 4 screeching, communist, foreign harpies the face of the D’s in Congress, he picked out enemies who were more hated than him.

        Remember: it doesn’t matter how good or bad you are, it matters how good or bad you are in comparison with your opponent. And if you get to pick who your opponent is going to be, you can pick out the weakest ones.

        Don’t think Trump has been sleeping on the D race. He’s been bolstering Bloomberg, because the diminutive, milquetoast, nanny-state Bloomberg is a fine enemy that Trump can steamroll using incumbency and the bully pulpit. Bloomberg stands for nothing but being anti-Trump.

        Bernie has the momentum of his followers, which is difficult for Trump, but Bernie is also a weak, cowardly, corrupt, decrepit old pornographer. It would likely take until the first debate for Trump to truly push him down, whereas with Mayor Mike, it can happen right away.

        • Replies: @Jack D

        He’s been bolstering Bloomberg,
         
        How? Can you point to any words or actions by Trump that do this?
      163. @nebulafox
        No. I think Bloomberg is going to make the same mistake as with Clinton. Where Bloomberg sees himself as presenting the model of professional, effective, and smoothly packaged leadership, much of the nation will see him instead as the ultimate paragon of a managerial class that has still largely suffered no consequences for their track record of utter venality, incompetence, and failure over the past quarter century.

        Whether Trump is intelligent enough to effectively take advantage of that in the event of a Bloomberg nomination is up for debate, as is whether Sanders has it in him to go for Bloomberg's jugular and put the DNC under the pressure of the mob. But that doesn't change the implication that the DNC has learned nothing from 2016. And in fairness, given how they view the 2016 election, how can they? To learn that lesson would completely undermine their self-image and narrative. After all, They Didn't Really Lose, because they got more yards, even if they scored less points...

        It's also brutally apparent that the mental gap between how our elites-economic, political, and media-view themselves and how much of the voting populace views them has never been greater. This will have interesting consequences going forward.

        If you could buy them for what they’re worth and sell them for what they think they’re worth, you’d be able to buy your own election.

      164. @Pincher Martin
        Bradley got the least out of his height as any American politician I can think of. He was stoop-shouldered and had a rounded back. And his chin seemed to dip directly into his chest.


        http://thiswastv.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/bradleygore2000.jpg

        Bradley got played by Gore big time. Bradley never learned how to play dirty on Gore’s level. Gore and Bradley were on a talk show once during the run and Gore made a wild proposal and stuck out his hand to Bradley to try to seal the deal, and Bradley’s rejection of the handshake was awkward and made him seem weak and unprepared. It was a display of the difference between a lifetime Swamp Rat and a true believer 1960s lefty.

        • Replies: @ScarletNumber
        2000 wasn't Al Gore's first time at the rodeo. Not only did he run in 1988, but he also won 7 states. Bill Bradley has never been dynamic, and he was forced to not run for reelection to the senate from New Jersey in 1996 because he almost lost to Christie Whitman in 1990. She was a nobody at the time.
      165. I really don’t know why everyone looks down on Mayor Bloomberg.

        • Replies: @RadicalCenter
        AntiSemite!
      166. @indocon
        Post Brexit UK replaces Polish people with Indians, policy implemented by an Indo-Brit herself. Can't make this up.
        https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/new-uk-visa-system-shuts-eu-s-low-skilled-to-benefit-indian-professionals/story-QbqmAwPBRagaE2SsluA7PP.html

        I'm really thinking we should want Trump to loose, this election feels awfully similar to 2004 where the underlying economy was sick but was propped up by an artificial bubble whose eventual implosion did the most damage to the cause of W's most ardent supporters - so cons. Me thinks this time it will be the border and wall crowd who will take it on a chin after the market implodes in 2021 under Trump.

        How different the world would have been had 70k people changed their vote in Ohio to Kerry in 2004? Housing implosion would have happened under him and border issues would have been center in 2008.

        I’m really thinking we should want Trump to loose, this election feels awfully similar to 2004 where the underlying economy was sick but was propped up by an artificial bubble whose eventual implosion did the most damage to the cause of W’s most ardent supporters – so cons. Me thinks this time it will be the border and wall crowd who will take it on a chin after the market implodes in 2021 under Trump.

        Trump is the one guy you want as President when the next financial crisis happens. He will prioritize Americans over saving the banks. And if anyone has to take a haircut, it will be the government and the billionaires over the US taxpayer. The normal legislation introduced in times of economic crisis, that typically try to strangle private business, would be vetoed by him because he doesn’t want his family businesses strangled by them.

        Trump wants to be remembered as the best president since George Washington. He can’t surpass Andrew Jackson unless he tames a financial crisis by making the banks choke on their own balance sheets.

        • Replies: @indocon
        I hope you are correct. The next economic slump will start in financial markets first and then move to job market afterwards, it will be a perfect opportunity to enact a 1924 style immigration moratorium.
      167. @Vince Dennis
        Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by s whopping 4 million
        Trump didn't win

        He used Russian interference and the platform of of racists to win the electoral college an outdated needless institution

        How do you guys contend with the fact People of Color academics and journalists disagree with you vehemently

        Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by s whopping 4 million
        Trump didn’t win

        There is no “popular vote”. The figure is an illegitimate sum of votes cast under widely differing state laws.

        Jimmy Carter and George Bush were born the same year, but Carter was allowed to vote in the 1944 election. Bush was not. (You’d have thought FDR’d had enough crackers polishing his treads, but Georgia lowered her voting age in 1943.)

        Reagan’s, Nixon’s, and Eisenhower’s mothers could vote in the 1916 election (Mrs Reagan only for presidential electors), but not Johnson’s, Kennedy’s, Truman’s, or Ford’s. (Carter’s and Bush’s would have been too young wherever they lived.)

        The Electoral College is based on Congressional representation, so either both are legitimate or neither. And yes, it is distorted– by counting non-citizens, in the 21st as well as the 19th century.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
        What is a “cracker”?
      168. @Bay Area Guy
        Bloomberg is a walking anti-Semitic stereotype; I can't help but suspect that he was spawned in an alt-right lab. I mean, where to begin? He's obscenely rich, made his money via the financial industry, controls a media empire, is a globalist who has major business investments in China - and is literally trying to buy an election. This is some real Protocols of the Elders of Zion stuff.

        Not to mention that he's an arrogant, charmless 5'7 man with an annoying voice.

        Sorry, but while his candidacy should very much be taken seriously, I don't see him winning. Money can only get you so far.

        This is some real Protocols of the Elders of Zion stuff.

        Indeed!

      169. @Anon
        OT: This is a good example of nature over nurture. Headline: "Steven Spielberg's daughter launches adult entertainment career, says dad supports her sex worker ambitions."

        You too, can be rich and spoiled, and still want to be a prostitute.

        https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/steven-spielberg-daughter-porn-star

        The reaction to find on this one is Crispin Glover’s.

      170. @bigdicknick
        Here is the key to a potential Bloomberg victory (are you listening, Trump interns?)

        Stack two or three phone books on top of each other and stand on top of it.

        Bloomberg literally released a press statement saying he will NOT be standing on a box at tonight’s debate. Shades of elizabeth warren releasing her dna test. Drumpthf is like the ultimate middle school bully.

        • Replies: @William Badwhite
        Scott Adams has been urging the "hey Bloomberg asked for a box" prank. Its been pretty funny.

        "Who is paying for Bloomberg's box"?

        THERE IS NO BOX!

        "Ok. Well what color is Bloomberg's box"?

        THERE IS NO BOX!

        "Ok ok. Is there just one box or will he have a different one at each debate"?

        THERE IS NO BOX!

        "Will other short candidates such as Warren also get a box, or just Bloomberg"?
      171. Hey Trump, don’t be a Stiffly Stifferson!

      172. Bloomberg is not so much Bugs Bunny as he is Ivan Drago.

        • Replies: @Lot
        You earned the $10 he paid you for that comment.
      173. Isn’t Bloomberg more of a Marvin the Martian type?

        I really don’t see him as Bugs Bunny.

      174. @Anon
        OT: This is a good example of nature over nurture. Headline: "Steven Spielberg's daughter launches adult entertainment career, says dad supports her sex worker ambitions."

        You too, can be rich and spoiled, and still want to be a prostitute.

        https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/steven-spielberg-daughter-porn-star

        I see it as “nurture” over nature given the CDAN blinds about Spielberg the sicko

      175. @Hail

        Mikaela Spielberg, one of the famed director's seven children, has begun self-producing solo adult film videos at the age of 23, she told The Sun.

        Spielberg's daughter, who lives in Nashville, Tenn., has already submitted an application to become a sex worker
         

        Mikaela is currently engaged to a man named Chuck Pankow, 47, who also is rallying behind her budding adult entertainment career.
         
        This reads like a satire designed to be shocking but too implausible to be effective.

        On right is Mikaela Spielberg, substantial Subsaharan ancestry:

        https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/02/1862/1048/mikaela-spielberg-getty.jpg

        Spielberg and Capshaw adopted Mikaela in 1996 and she grew up in the film industry
         

        What the heck man, no link?!?

        • Replies: @Hail
        Contents from Anon's post above.
      176. @Anon
        OT: I have no idea if this is accurate or fake news: China seeks court's approval to kill over 20,000 patients with the coronavirus to avoid further spread of the disease: Link is below.

        Well, it's certainly a typical Chinese (and Communist for that matter) solution to the problem.

        https://twitter.com/LW_VNS/status/1230084036447440896

        It won't help, though. It's already out of control in China.

        Fake news, my dude. When the Chinese government wants to kill Chinese people, it does not need its courts’ permission.

        (You scored a 2 on your Advanced Placement exam in comparative government, didn’t you?)

        • Agree: sayless
        • Replies: @Anon
        My minor was political science, not Mandarin.
      177. @International Jew
        If ACME had been a real company, product liability lawsuits would have driven it out of business by now.

        There’s actually an East Coast supermarket chain named Acme — what were they thinking? I keep waiting for a rye bread or bag of frozen shrimp to blow up in my face

        • Replies: @Onebelowall
        My uncle worked for Acme his whole life (he's 81). There actually was an Acme a block from my house. They came in when they took over Pathmark.
      178. @Jack Henson
        Wow, Jack D out here running interference for a member of the Tribe likely engaged in high level IO shenanigans.

        I did not see that coming.

        “ high level IO”

        Input output? Jupiter’s moon?

        • LOL: Autochthon
        • Replies: @Jack Henson
        Yes, the long term Hasbara pretending that he doesn't know what "Information Operations" are is certainly LOL.
      179. @Lot
        What the heck man, no link?!?

        Contents from Anon’s post above.

      180. @Hail
        Beware of the source, an anomyous Japanese who claims to be part of the QAnon movement.

        They use the hashtag "#QArmyJapanFlynn." THe first three words I get, but what's with "Flynn"?

        “Flynn” refers to General Flynn, whom the QAnon people believe is part of the military personnel fighting a secret war with the Deep State.

      181. This is the wildest Dem Debate so far, with everyone going after Bloomberg in setpiece attacks. Warren went into an anti-Trump diatribe and then at the last minute said, “By the way, I’m NOT talking about Donald Trump; I’m talking about Bloomberg!”

        Buttigieg attacking Sanders. Sanders slamming Buttigieg as a billionares’ puppet (but not as a Manchurian Candidate-tier CIA asset, which he is).

        • Replies: @Lot
        First one I watched in full. Was pretty amusing. I was live-trolling a major Dem site. They were most triggered by “Warren is too scoldly like Hillary.” “Bernie’s having another heart attack” and “Bloomberg is a strong leader” were also winners.

        I really should find a better hobby, but this is the first I’ve done it since the post 2016 election period.
        , @Anon7
        Thanks to the miracle of Youtube, see Elizabeth Warren lean in as she eviscerates Mike Bloomberg.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD4csGWPo6o

        Although I should note that this video was brought to me via a Michael Bloomberg for President advertisement.
      182. The same feds that faked the Russia hoax and who refuse to investigate Antifa and continue to rely on fake experts like the SPLC and ADL have finally figured out (sort of) that “boogaloo” thing, with the help of a cousin of the SPLC calling itself Goldenberg, Goldenberg, & Finkelstein. Oh, and by the way, defending the Constitution is racist extremism and mustering a militia is terrorism (at least according to Goldenberg, Goldenberg, & Finkelstein). So what we see here is literally what “crackpots” were warning about years ago, a brazen movement against the Constitution protected by an aggressive demonization and law enforcement initiative against dissidents.
        https://ncri.io/reports/cyber-swarming-memetic-warfare-and-viral-insurgency-how-domestic-militants-organize-on-memes-to-incite-violent-insurrection-and-terror-against-government-and-law-enforcement/

        • Thanks: bomag
      183. I missed the last UFC fight night but I’m glad I tuned in for this one.

      184. Well, I watched a few minutes of the Dems in Las Vegas on msnbc.com. It was all I could stand. Each and every one of them is absolutely nauseating, each in his or her own way. I’m not sure a single one of them has an honest, genuine bone in his/her body. Sanders is probably closest but it’s not saying much. Mayor Pete is the most sickening of the bunch, I think. He may be some kind of automaton.

        Meanwhile. Something is seriously wrong with our political system if this is the best they can do against a big fat stupid target like Donald Trump. These people are all breathtakingly cynical. My compliments, I guess, to those of you who can sit through this endless tripe.

      185. @Inquiring Mind
        Does anyone here know what a Bloomberg Terminal really is?

        When you hear the word "terminal", you think that Bloomberg-the-company is overcharging for one of those toilet-bowl-shaped VT100 "dumb terminals" connected by a phone connection to an IBM computer at a central locations when everyone else has changed to the Internet.

        Wikipedia describes a Bloomberg Terminal as a Web app that runs on a PC with a half-dozen displays filling half a wall. The Bloomberg Terminal app looks like the control panel to the starship Enterprise if the TOS wasn't filmed on such a low budget.

        Before the Internet, the high-technology thing was the telephone. Who here has seen one of these old movies where a "stock trader" was a guy who had a dozen phones on his desk, and when each one rings he picks it up and barks into the receive, "Buy!" or "Sell!" Today's financial trader has a half dozen 4K monitors in front of the desk showing real-time squiggles of all the markets and is clicking on "Buy!" or "Sell!" That is the Bloomberg Terminal.

        The closest thing may be the lock on the computer database market held by Larry Ellison. An Oracle database is the industrial-strength pro-model of the toy database software you might run on your PC to keep track of who has paid their dues to the Cub Scouts. If you work for a big enough company, your employee record is probably in an Oracle Database. So Larry and Mike are kinda, roughly, the same kind of billionaire who managed to get a first-mover monopoly lock on an expensive software program that works behind-the-scenes and the average person doesn't encounter directly, sort of the opposite of Facebook or Microsoft Office.

        I’ve operated Bloomberg terminals. They are nifty, but you are significantly over-egging the pudding.

        And Oracle? Oracle?!

        If you work for a big enough company and it is not 1990, your important, large databases use out-of-the box software (like SAP), they are outsourced using cloud software (e.g.Amazon Web Services), or you build them with PostgreSQL

        • Replies: @Desiderius
        Yeah, I don't get the whole Bloomberg Terminal thing. It's like if Wall Street were all still on Compuserve or something.
      186. Can any TV watchers confirm that Bloomberg is flailing and being cut off?

      187. I’m glad I didn’t turn it off! Liz just killed Bloomberg. Dead. If Dems vote for him after this pathetic performance, I’ll have even less respect for them than I did before. So many of us asked how Bloomberg could run with a thousand skeletons in his closet, and Jack and Lot and others told us that Bloomberg is much smarter and richer than we are and we’d learn. Well, we learned tonight.

      188. Meanwhile in Brazil,
        –police are protesting
        –leftists don’t like that
        –a leftist senator attacks the protesting off-duty policemen with a back hoe
        –no one could have foreseen that off duty cops had guns! Pizarro Sanders is shot twice but lives
        –lyingpress now pushing the narrative that he is a victim of the violent protesters

        • Replies: @Redneck farmer
        Off-duty cops shooting lefty senators? Maybe there IS an upside to this turning into Brazil thing!
      189. @Reg Cæsar

        Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by s whopping 4 million
        Trump didn’t win
         
        There is no "popular vote". The figure is an illegitimate sum of votes cast under widely differing state laws.

        Jimmy Carter and George Bush were born the same year, but Carter was allowed to vote in the 1944 election. Bush was not. (You'd have thought FDR'd had enough crackers polishing his treads, but Georgia lowered her voting age in 1943.)

        Reagan's, Nixon's, and Eisenhower's mothers could vote in the 1916 election (Mrs Reagan only for presidential electors), but not Johnson's, Kennedy's, Truman's, or Ford's. (Carter's and Bush's would have been too young wherever they lived.)

        The Electoral College is based on Congressional representation, so either both are legitimate or neither. And yes, it is distorted-- by counting non-citizens, in the 21st as well as the 19th century.

        What is a “cracker”?

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

        What is a “cracker”?

         
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MISheFjGdlQ


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1-eCwM4ivc
      190. The Washington Post has an important contribution to the discussion:

        • Thanks: bomag
      191. From AP’s story:

        …Elizabeth Warren was a leading aggressor early against Bloomberg. She called him “a billionaire who calls people fat broads and horse-faced lesbians.”

        Since that describes her younger rival Amy to a T, why is she complaining?

        Sanders lashed out at Bloomberg’s policing policies as New York City mayor that he said targeted “African-American and Latinos in an outrageous way.”

        Success is outrageous to those who’ve never experienced it.

        And former Vice President Joe Biden charged that Bloomberg’s “stop-and-frisk” policy ended up “throwing 5 million black men up against the wall.”

        Mayor Pete and his future First Anus Chasten really sat up when they heard that one!

        Bloomberg defended himself on all counts and took a shot at Sanders’ electability: “I don’t think there’s any chance of the senator beating Donald Trump.”

        Senators occasionally win. No mayor has in 96 years.

        Former Midwestern Mayor Pete Buttigieg attacked both Bloomberg and Sanders, warning that one threatened to “burn down” the Democratic Party and the other was trying to buy it.

        They should work together and do both. The Whigs are getting lonely down there in Hades. The Democrats are long overdue to join them.

        https://apnews.com/aeeba1ddaf41e9dfbc74829504917b08

        • Replies: @Ozymandias
        "Mayor Pete and his future First Anus Chasten really sat up when they heard that one!"

        Chasten is the husband. Petey is the wife.
        , @Lot
        “ Anus Chasten”

        My anus is chastened by Indian food.
      192. @Hail

        Mikaela Spielberg, one of the famed director's seven children, has begun self-producing solo adult film videos at the age of 23, she told The Sun.

        Spielberg's daughter, who lives in Nashville, Tenn., has already submitted an application to become a sex worker
         

        Mikaela is currently engaged to a man named Chuck Pankow, 47, who also is rallying behind her budding adult entertainment career.
         
        This reads like a satire designed to be shocking but too implausible to be effective.

        On right is Mikaela Spielberg, substantial Subsaharan ancestry:

        https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/02/1862/1048/mikaela-spielberg-getty.jpg

        Spielberg and Capshaw adopted Mikaela in 1996 and she grew up in the film industry
         

        The nurture over nature folks would point to “grew up in the film industry” as the reason she’s so messed up…and they would have a point.

        • Agree: Hail
      193. @Reg Cæsar

        I drove that model car once – actually owned by a friend. 3 cylinder 2 cycle engine – you added a can of lawnmower oil to every fill-up.
         
        They switched to four-stroke in 1967, and kept free-wheeling until 1971 or 1972. So those are the years you want to shop for. The pump-and-coast models.

        Interestingly, Saabs and Volvos always had left-hand drive, even though Sweden didn't drive on the right until 1967. That's a highly dangerous situation, which exists in the Bahamas and US Virgin Islands to this day.

        Perhaps that explains Swedish automakers' obsession with safety.

        Two stroke Saab’s are more fun and a better collectible. They get poor mileage but who cares? The Ford made V4 is much heavier, and no easier to get parts for anymore. At one time a lot were in use in ag equipment but that has died out.

      194. @RichardTaylor
        Trump needs to take more action on building the wall, kicking out illegals, and scaling back "civil rights" legislation to get his base really fired up.

        Bloomberg will be going for the moderates, the ones Trump tried to impress by letting felons out of jail. Get back to base politics.

        Trump needs to take more action on building the wall, kicking out illegals, and scaling back “civil rights” legislation to get his base really fired up.

        The rallies show that the base is fired up. When you have all those receptive to your message, you cannot get any more.

        Get back to base politics.

        Good advice. But Trump could expand the base by, e.g., blocking the Republican traitors carrying water for the donor class. Shut down Asian immigration. And then work hard to get out the coders, techies and college grad who have had their prospects undermined my Asian immigration.

        • Replies: @RichardTaylor

        But Trump could expand the base by, e.g., blocking the Republican traitors carrying water for the donor class. Shut down Asian immigration. And then work hard to get out the coders, techies and college grad who have had their prospects undermined my Asian immigration.
         
        A program to raise wages for actual American citizens would be a big winner.
      195. @Flip
        Bloomberg is going to be a fine Republican president. I think the left will fall in line to get Trump out, but how will they act when Bloomberg is in office? What happened in New York when he was mayor?

        Bloomberg is going to be a fine Republican president.

        You must think your wet dreams define reality; but reality will no more confirm to your animal impulses than it will to the musings of an extremely rich, but despicable, bastard.

        We know Bloomberg is your bastard, but Bloomberg is not America’s bastard.

        • Thanks: Mr McKenna
      196. @Cloudbuster
        This is, what, prediction #18427985 that "Trump's met his match this time!" Sure, one of these predictions is bound to be right eventuly by sheer chance, but that is not the way I am betting.

        Sure, one of these predictions is bound to be right eventuly by sheer chance, but that is not the way I am betting.

        I do not think you understand chance, my friend.

      197. @Johann Ricke

        So far when it comes to his actual business (and not how he “sexually harassed” females
         
        Seems to me that he's guilty, at worst, of hard-nosed employment practices. Bloomberg doesn't seem particularly interested in women apart from their roles as child-bearers (decades ago) and social companions. The women on his arm aren't particularly good-looking and definitely not nubile. It's a huge contrast with Trump, who clearly likes women (maybe a little too much).

        The idea of Bloomberg harassing women to get physical with them is just not credible. His principal avocation seems to be identical to his day job - becoming the richest man in the world. Now that it's clear he'll fall short, he's set his sights on the White House. Women as individual targets for seduction simply do not appear on Bloomberg's radar.

        “Women as individual targets for seduction simply do not appear on Bloomberg’s radar.”

        You fail to understand the Jewish mind.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        What you don't understand about Jews could fill volumes.

        Here is a hint - unlike Weinstein, Bloomberg is not interested in sleeping with every female he meets. In fact he dislikes and insults many of them. Is he a closeted gay? I dunno but it wouldn't be a huge shocker.
      198. @Autochthon
        Fake news, my dude. When the Chinese government wants to kill Chinese people, it does not need its courts' permission.

        (You scored a 2 on your Advanced Placement exam in comparative government, didn't you?)

        My minor was political science, not Mandarin.

      199. @Reg Cæsar

        if Saab was still around and Bernie Bros still drove cars then Saab would be the official car of the Bernie voter
         
        I don't know... they might prefer Prius. Lefty profs with Saabs were a '70s thing.

        Kurt Vonnegut, of all people, was one of the first Saab dealers in America:

        Vonnegut. Saab.

        Have I Got a Car for You!

        (and sometimes even Subarus)
         
        Actually, I think Subaru would have been the ideal purchaser of Saab. Not just for the letters, but for their similar histories and philosophy. Both were big on front-wheel drive before most of the rest of the world caught on. Saabs were originally pushed in mountainous areas, like the Catskills. Even though the free-wheeling (available until about 1972) would have made that scary.

        I saw my first Saab at a rural county fair tent in New York in 1968.

        The early Subaru mechanicals were largely copied from the VW. They basically turned the engine and trans around. The big change was water cooling.

        The water cooled pushrod Subaru engine is about indestructible. Overhead cam models were a deprovement.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        They could never figure out how to make a head gasket that didn't fail, even after decades of trying.
      200. @SFG
        Didn't Trump allude to it? "She aimed for the popular vote, I aimed for the electoral vote. We both got what we wanted."

        “She aimed for the popular vote, I aimed for the electoral vote…”

        I’m referring to the relative (patriotic) quality of the respective voters themselves, not the technical process.

      201. @Jack D
        Edison invented the stock ticker. Did this make him a neoliberal too?

        Bloomberg made his money precisely in the old fashioned way - he invented a better mousetrap. That it was a kind of mousetrap that stockbrokers buy (actually rent) doesn't change that.

        I guess neoliberal is now an alt.right dirty word, along with neoconservative. Neo-anything is bad I guess if you are a reactionary.

        Wait until you here about neo-reactionaries.

      202. @Reg Cæsar
        From AP's story:

        ...Elizabeth Warren was a leading aggressor early against Bloomberg. She called him “a billionaire who calls people fat broads and horse-faced lesbians.”
         
        Since that describes her younger rival Amy to a T, why is she complaining?

        Sanders lashed out at Bloomberg’s policing policies as New York City mayor that he said targeted “African-American and Latinos in an outrageous way.”
         
        Success is outrageous to those who've never experienced it.

        And former Vice President Joe Biden charged that Bloomberg’s “stop-and-frisk” policy ended up “throwing 5 million black men up against the wall.”
         
        Mayor Pete and his future First Anus Chasten really sat up when they heard that one!

        Bloomberg defended himself on all counts and took a shot at Sanders’ electability: “I don’t think there’s any chance of the senator beating Donald Trump.”
         
        Senators occasionally win. No mayor has in 96 years.

        Former Midwestern Mayor Pete Buttigieg attacked both Bloomberg and Sanders, warning that one threatened to “burn down” the Democratic Party and the other was trying to buy it.
         
        They should work together and do both. The Whigs are getting lonely down there in Hades. The Democrats are long overdue to join them.

        https://apnews.com/aeeba1ddaf41e9dfbc74829504917b08

        “Mayor Pete and his future First Anus Chasten really sat up when they heard that one!”

        Chasten is the husband. Petey is the wife.

        • Replies: @RadicalCenter
        Maybe they take turns screwing each other, like the Democrats and Republicans take turns screwing the American people.
      203. @Vince Dennis
        Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by s whopping 4 million
        Trump didn't win

        He used Russian interference and the platform of of racists to win the electoral college an outdated needless institution

        How do you guys contend with the fact People of Color academics and journalists disagree with you vehemently

        I love it that People of Color academics and journalists disagree with me vehemently.

        • Replies: @RadicalCenter
        For what it’s worth, I think you seem to be a fine upstanding Person of Whiteness.
      204. @peterike

        Trump will not enjoy the Bugs Bunny advantage this time around,

         
        Why not? Trump is still the outsider, still the free-thinker crashing up against the system. Granted, he has managed only to tweak the system at the margins and hasn't blown it to bits as many of us hoped. Hell, he hasn't even put a single of the conspirators against him into jail (while people on his side were routinely jailed for abjectly fake process crimes).

        Trump's problem isn't the tweeting and "tantrums" -- those are his greatest strength. That's Trump constantly letting the world know how corrupt the system really is, including the media. Trump doesn't even really have tantrums, he just gets pissed -- the media has tantrums in response and paints Trump in their own colors.

        Trump's real problem is that he's weak. Time and again he defers to process and following the rules, rather than just doing what the hell he wants, like Obama did. By now Trump should have told a dozen nobody judges to get soaked and openly defied their rulings. But no, it's always follow-the-rules with Trump, and for this he gets painted by the media as an unhinged dictator. He can't even get his own Justice Department to prosecute people for 100% known lies to the FBI, Congress, etc. Weak.

        Debates will be interesting though, since the stupidest knock on Trump is that he's "not that intelligent." He's about ten times as intelligent as any President since, I dunno, Coolidge probably. The Democrats have a field of dunces, other than Bloomberg. But Bloomberg will be constrained by having to play to the Left. It's all going to be very interesting, but my guess is vote fraud will insure Trump loses in just enough states to lose re-election. Combating vote fraud is another area where he's been weak. By now he should have completely blown-up the fraud and vote harvesters. Hundreds of people should be in jail, if not thousands. Nothing has happened.

        Got to agree with you on the vote fraud. The Dems will steal this one.

      205. @Hail

        Mikaela Spielberg, one of the famed director's seven children, has begun self-producing solo adult film videos at the age of 23, she told The Sun.

        Spielberg's daughter, who lives in Nashville, Tenn., has already submitted an application to become a sex worker
         

        Mikaela is currently engaged to a man named Chuck Pankow, 47, who also is rallying behind her budding adult entertainment career.
         
        This reads like a satire designed to be shocking but too implausible to be effective.

        On right is Mikaela Spielberg, substantial Subsaharan ancestry:

        https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/02/1862/1048/mikaela-spielberg-getty.jpg

        Spielberg and Capshaw adopted Mikaela in 1996 and she grew up in the film industry
         

        Sheeeeeeeeeiiiiit!

      206. @Reg Cæsar
        From AP's story:

        ...Elizabeth Warren was a leading aggressor early against Bloomberg. She called him “a billionaire who calls people fat broads and horse-faced lesbians.”
         
        Since that describes her younger rival Amy to a T, why is she complaining?

        Sanders lashed out at Bloomberg’s policing policies as New York City mayor that he said targeted “African-American and Latinos in an outrageous way.”
         
        Success is outrageous to those who've never experienced it.

        And former Vice President Joe Biden charged that Bloomberg’s “stop-and-frisk” policy ended up “throwing 5 million black men up against the wall.”
         
        Mayor Pete and his future First Anus Chasten really sat up when they heard that one!

        Bloomberg defended himself on all counts and took a shot at Sanders’ electability: “I don’t think there’s any chance of the senator beating Donald Trump.”
         
        Senators occasionally win. No mayor has in 96 years.

        Former Midwestern Mayor Pete Buttigieg attacked both Bloomberg and Sanders, warning that one threatened to “burn down” the Democratic Party and the other was trying to buy it.
         
        They should work together and do both. The Whigs are getting lonely down there in Hades. The Democrats are long overdue to join them.

        https://apnews.com/aeeba1ddaf41e9dfbc74829504917b08

        “ Anus Chasten”

        My anus is chastened by Indian food.

        • Replies: @nebulafox
        你去四川省吗?
      207. @Hail
        This is the wildest Dem Debate so far, with everyone going after Bloomberg in setpiece attacks. Warren went into an anti-Trump diatribe and then at the last minute said, "By the way, I'm NOT talking about Donald Trump; I'm talking about Bloomberg!"

        Buttigieg attacking Sanders. Sanders slamming Buttigieg as a billionares' puppet (but not as a Manchurian Candidate-tier CIA asset, which he is).

        First one I watched in full. Was pretty amusing. I was live-trolling a major Dem site. They were most triggered by “Warren is too scoldly like Hillary.” “Bernie’s having another heart attack” and “Bloomberg is a strong leader” were also winners.

        I really should find a better hobby, but this is the first I’ve done it since the post 2016 election period.

        • Thanks: Desiderius
        • LOL: Bumpkin
        • Replies: @Anonymous

        First one I watched in full. Was pretty amusing. I was live-trolling a major Dem site. They were most triggered by “Warren is too scoldly like Hillary.”
         
        I can tell you my Elizabeth Warren friends really hate her being compared to a bitchy librarian.

        I don’t know why it makes them so mad. Have they never spoken too loud in a public library?
        Whatever. It really winds them up.

        What’s fun is to tell a Bernie supporter that dem leaders are going to pull the rug out from under him again. They start ranting like Muslim jihadis. Fat little computer nerds talking shit like they’re Abbie Hoffman. They are an eccentrically wacky crowd.

        Dems are a hot mess.
        , @SFG
        So *you're* Skankhunt42? ;)
        , @Desiderius
        Thank you for your service, sir.
      208. @James Braxton
        Bloomberg is not so much Bugs Bunny as he is Ivan Drago.

        You earned the $10 he paid you for that comment.

        • Replies: @anon
        First one I watched in full

        It's a job someone has to do. Thank you for your service.

        They were most triggered by “Warren is too scoldly like Hillary.” “Bernie’s having another heart attack” and “Bloomberg is a strong leader” were also winners.

        Did Mike Get It Done?

        https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/JpEXfMHUQXYUUt3NdS5Gog--~A/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NjAwO2g9NDAw/https://cdn2.benzinga.com/files/imagecache/600x400xUP/images/story/2012/will_get_it_done.jpeg

        To Mike Braxton
        You earned the $10 he paid you for that comment.

        Probably paid in gift cards, though.
        , @James Braxton
        Meaning Bloomberg? It wasn't meant as a compliment.

        Drago was the bad guy, you see.
      209. @International Jew
        If ACME had been a real company, product liability lawsuits would have driven it out of business by now.

        Don’t miss reading about the case of Coyote v. Acme, a landmark in modern jurisprudence.

        https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1990/02/26/coyote-v-acme

        • LOL: petit bourgeois
      210. anon[304] • Disclaimer says:
        @Lot
        You earned the $10 he paid you for that comment.

        First one I watched in full

        It’s a job someone has to do. Thank you for your service.

        They were most triggered by “Warren is too scoldly like Hillary.” “Bernie’s having another heart attack” and “Bloomberg is a strong leader” were also winners.

        Did Mike Get It Done?

        To Mike Braxton
        You earned the $10 he paid you for that comment.

        Probably paid in gift cards, though.

      211. @Nodwink
        OH LAWD HE COMIN
        https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/02/19/bernie-sanders-has-double-digit-lead-over-other-democrats-new-poll/4804869002/

        Funny that the Democrats, having been essentially the Jewish party my whole life–Jewish financed, Jewish scribblers, Jewish operatives, Jewish ideology–is now in the year of peak “don’t touch my hair” anti-white “woke”, seemingly coming down to choosing between two elderly Jewish white guys.

        Guys who represent the two opposite strands in Jewish politics:

        Bernie the 19th/20th century, submerg our separateness in all-on-the-same-team socialism, which was the dominant Jewish strain in mid-20th century America.

        And Bloomberg the more recently dominant–but essentially the ancient/classic Jewish middle-man-minority take–“the goyim exist for us to exploit”.

        If Bernie was able to follow his natural–Samual Gomperish–inclinations on mass immigration (as “a Koch brothers” program)–and call for immigration moratorium–“we can’t have high wages and free health care” with people streaming into our nation”–Bernie would be formidable. Unfortunately for Bernie … he’s fundamentally a weak man and has rollled over for escalating demands of Jewish minoritarianism that are sweeping the party.

        Bloomberg on the other hand offers Americans nothing but exploitation. My working class relatives to be replaced by Mexicans Bloomy needs to keep his country club greens in good shape on the cheap. And upper middle class whites like me and my son replaced by Asian engineers.

        Trump should be able to beat little Bloomy like a drum. However … while Trump is very good at visceral anti-elite “drain the swamp” stuff, he’s pretty bad at making the sort of clear coherent nationalist case that would eviserate Bloomberg.

        So there’s a chance for Bloomy to squeak in as a “responsible” “moderate”, when he actually has zero loyalty to his fellow Americans and has absolutely no business offering himself as their leader, but rather is a traitor whose head belongs on a pike.

        • Replies: @Anon
        Trump has not done much on the immigration front, esp. on H1b and OPT. He even said he wants the "largest number" of immigrants to come in, all legally. In the past 3 years he's talked about an EO to end birthright citizenship for illegals and tourists, ending H1b spousal work visa, that's about it, and they were all talks, nothing got done.

        While he was busy kowtowing to every demand from Israel. His first term was basically to Make Israel Great Again.

        Trump needs to do a lot more on curtailing *legal* immigration if he wants to get his base enthusiastic enough to come back out to vote for him, esp. the suburban voters.
        , @John Johnson
        So there’s a chance for Bloomy to squeak in as a “responsible” “moderate”

        Well that chance is gone.

        Warren came out fighting and stuck her claws in Bloomberg.

        I don't think she won the debate but he definitely lost.
        , @nebulafox
        >Unfortunately for Bernie … he’s fundamentally a weak man and has rollled over for escalating demands of Jewish minoritarianism that are sweeping the party.

        He's let the genie out of the bottle, though. His supporters are mean and testy. They are only going to get meaner and testier as the Bloomberg campaign continues to be visibly supported by the powers-that-be in the United States.

        Even if he urges them to calm down, I'm not sure they will, especially if DNC chicanery gets more visible. And once there's another Chicago situation, it'll be difficult for the Democrats to recover, no matter how much of a crude loudmouth Trump is. Americans generally don't like riots. It took the whole resources of the New Deal coalition for Humphrey to get close to Nixon in '68 after being 15 points down in September. They don't have close to those resources anymore, especially after Obama hollowed out the party on a state and local level.

        >Bloomberg on the other hand offers Americans nothing but exploitation.

        My point exactly. If you are an accelerationist, pray for a Bloomberg victory. In my darker moments, I think if we are doomed to an economic crunch, I would hope that Bloomberg gets saddled with the blame to finally put the crucial millstone around the necks of our elites. But...

        >However … while Trump is very good at visceral anti-elite “drain the swamp” stuff, he’s pretty bad at making the sort of clear coherent nationalist case that would eviserate Bloomberg.

        Exactly why I'm worried: Bloomberg is a lot of things, but he isn't stupid. I'm deeply concerned about Trump's intellectual ability to figure out that listening to Mitch McConnell and Jarhead was an extremely bad idea that needs to be disavowed immediately if he's to have a shot at continuing in the White House. He needs to not just disavow the approach he's taken, he needs to disavow *them* to win.

        Bush/Romneyism is dead. No more coddling the GOP Establishment: time to make that fact explicitly, brutally clear. I know that Trump doesn't give a damn about anything other than his petty whims, but his political survival depends on it. A President Bloomberg-or a President Trump that continues in the vein of his first term-is a great way of ensuring some variant of Sanders taking power down the line.
        , @SFG
        Eh, he blew it. You can't get away with making sexist jokes (at any time in the past) as a Dem nowadays.
      212. Anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:
        @Lot
        First one I watched in full. Was pretty amusing. I was live-trolling a major Dem site. They were most triggered by “Warren is too scoldly like Hillary.” “Bernie’s having another heart attack” and “Bloomberg is a strong leader” were also winners.

        I really should find a better hobby, but this is the first I’ve done it since the post 2016 election period.

        First one I watched in full. Was pretty amusing. I was live-trolling a major Dem site. They were most triggered by “Warren is too scoldly like Hillary.”

        I can tell you my Elizabeth Warren friends really hate her being compared to a bitchy librarian.

        I don’t know why it makes them so mad. Have they never spoken too loud in a public library?
        Whatever. It really winds them up.

        What’s fun is to tell a Bernie supporter that dem leaders are going to pull the rug out from under him again. They start ranting like Muslim jihadis. Fat little computer nerds talking shit like they’re Abbie Hoffman. They are an eccentrically wacky crowd.

        Dems are a hot mess.

        • Agree: PhysicistDave
        • Replies: @Lot
        “ Have they never spoken too loud in a public library?”

        Well urban libraries now mainly exist for homeless to surf internet porn and shoot up meth and heroin in the bathrooms.

        A few people use it for free DVD rentals too.
      213. @Known Fact
        There's actually an East Coast supermarket chain named Acme -- what were they thinking? I keep waiting for a rye bread or bag of frozen shrimp to blow up in my face

        My uncle worked for Acme his whole life (he’s 81). There actually was an Acme a block from my house. They came in when they took over Pathmark.

        • Replies: @ScarletNumber
        Acme was once such a ubiquitous presence in Northern New Jersey that there is a website that chronicles the status of former Acmes. I'm sure your uncle's Acme is pictured.

        http://acmestyleblog.blogspot.com/
      214. @Redneck farmer
        It depends. Can one of the others on stage get under his skin? Talk about how he benefitted as mayor from gentrification? That even Bernie doesn't want to tax truly poor Americans "for their own good? How the Bloomberg Terminal helped drive the much maligned high frequency trading? So, we're going to have to wait and see.

        Bloomberg is basically a richer, shorter, less interesting, less articulate, much less entertaining, Trump.

      215. @Hail
        This is the wildest Dem Debate so far, with everyone going after Bloomberg in setpiece attacks. Warren went into an anti-Trump diatribe and then at the last minute said, "By the way, I'm NOT talking about Donald Trump; I'm talking about Bloomberg!"

        Buttigieg attacking Sanders. Sanders slamming Buttigieg as a billionares' puppet (but not as a Manchurian Candidate-tier CIA asset, which he is).

        Thanks to the miracle of Youtube, see Elizabeth Warren lean in as she eviscerates Mike Bloomberg.

        Although I should note that this video was brought to me via a Michael Bloomberg for President advertisement.

        • Replies: @Hail
        While it was a dramatic moment, it's unclear why it would ruin Bloomberg.

        The pundits all seem to agree, though, that Bloomberg suffered a body blow. I wonder what kind of debating style they would have counseled. Angry denunciations? Insults? Tweetman-style threats to put Warren in prison once elected?
      216. Little Mike got owned by Elizabeth Warren.

        • Replies: @Pincher Martin
        It was brutal. And she did it twice.
        , @danand

        “I’d like to talk about who we’re running against, a billionaire who calls women ‘fat broads’ and ‘horse-faced lesbians,’ and, no, I’m not talking about Donald Trump, I’m talking about Mayor Bloomberg,” said Senator Warren.”
         
        Someone changed Bloomberg’s Wikipedia page:

        https://flic.kr/p/2ivpzzJ

        Unfortunately it’s now been corrected.
      217. PredictIt betting market on who will be elected president in Nov. 2020, at end of debate:

        The sum of the “Latest Yes Price” is 117. Dividing by that number, we get implied probabilities to win:

        – Trump: 47%
        – Sanders: 26%
        – Bloomberg: 10% (down from 15% yesterday)
        – 16% split between Biden, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Hillary, and Warren.
        – 1% All Others (=some kind of true dark-horse at the D convention other than Hillary).

        • Replies: @Russ

        Bloomberg: 10% (down from 15% yesterday)
         
        Quantifies his debate performance as well as any other metric.
        , @Lot
        Yeah Mike bombed, especially the first half. He didn’t seem to have a prepared closing statement, though most of the others didn’t either.

        Warren was remarkably unlikeable, a hyperactive SJW schoolmarm. “Yes Mike, I do think I should cut your balls off right now on this stage for your crimes against black and brown men.”

        And I kinda liked her when she was doing her pre-Senate anti-bank book tour.
        , @petit bourgeois
        You are kind of sick, with your "bookie mathematics," and "laws of probability," but you're kind of a sage, predicting the future.

        I'm not all in, but I'm listening.
        , @AnotherDad
        Where's Pence?

        Trump's 73, turning 74 in a few months. Social security actuarial tables have chance of death for a year at 3%. Granted Trump seems like he's in good health and he'll have 1st class response ... but there's also assisination or "i'm tired of this bullshit, screw it."

        Pence should clock in at a couple percent. He's got to be a better pick than Hillary. (Hillary? Seriously? Who are these people?)
      218. @Eric416
        Between the rust belt states (where he would need to flip one or two) knowing Little Mikey as the CEO of GunGrabber Inc, and the black block of Dem support knowing him as Mayor Stop-and-Frisk, Bloomberg is dead in the water before you even consider the Bernie Bros going absolutely apeshit if their messiah loses out to an old white billionaire technocrat.
        Much as I enjoy an excuse to revisit a classic Looney Tunes clip, Germ Thoery is nuts if he thinks Bloomberg can lead the coalition of the fringes to victory. He's more likely to spark a full blown mutiny.

        Germ Thoery is nuts if he thinks Bloomberg can lead the coalition of the fringes to victory. He’s more likely to spark a full blown mutiny.

        Feather-Indian Warren pounded him good and hard on those non-disclosure agreements, and it was obvious that the wealthy newcomer had no debating chops. It is useful to contrast the Spring 2016 Trump (tall; center-staged; aggressively spoken vs 12+ GOP foes) with the Spring 2020 Terminal schlongist (short; rightmost on stage; bureaucratic and thin-skinned vs a half-dozen Dems). Debates may become the anti-commercials for the latter.

      219. Yeah, Bloomberg has an emotional draw to me akin to how Trump has an emotional draw on working class whites.

        And he didn’t do all that great tonight. Still, I found myself rooting for him despite his stumbles. Kinda like how working class whites root for Trump when he stumbles.

        I listen to about 3 Bloomberg shows a day. They are generally intelligent and interesting. I admire the business he built. A dream job would be working for Bloomberg.

        Just kinda sad how he has to apologise on his back foot all through these debates. I guess with the electorate how it is, it is the wise thing to do, but I really wish he would have gone full Trump and owned it instead of apologizing.

        • Replies: @Pincher Martin

        Yeah, Bloomberg has an emotional draw to me akin to how Trump has an emotional draw on working class whites.
         
        You must be part lizard, for the only "emotional draw" of Bloomberg's I've ever seen is reptilian in nature.

        And he didn’t do all that great tonight.
         
        He didn't do all that great? The man got skewered like a roasted pig. As the first hour of the debate came to a close, I even started feeling a little sorry for Bloomberg, and I can't stand the guy. That's how bad it got for him tonight.
      220. Anon[181] • Disclaimer says:
        @AnotherDad
        Funny that the Democrats, having been essentially the Jewish party my whole life--Jewish financed, Jewish scribblers, Jewish operatives, Jewish ideology--is now in the year of peak "don't touch my hair" anti-white "woke", seemingly coming down to choosing between two elderly Jewish white guys.

        Guys who represent the two opposite strands in Jewish politics:

        Bernie the 19th/20th century, submerg our separateness in all-on-the-same-team socialism, which was the dominant Jewish strain in mid-20th century America.

        And Bloomberg the more recently dominant--but essentially the ancient/classic Jewish middle-man-minority take--"the goyim exist for us to exploit".

        If Bernie was able to follow his natural--Samual Gomperish--inclinations on mass immigration (as "a Koch brothers" program)--and call for immigration moratorium--"we can't have high wages and free health care" with people streaming into our nation"--Bernie would be formidable. Unfortunately for Bernie ... he's fundamentally a weak man and has rollled over for escalating demands of Jewish minoritarianism that are sweeping the party.

        Bloomberg on the other hand offers Americans nothing but exploitation. My working class relatives to be replaced by Mexicans Bloomy needs to keep his country club greens in good shape on the cheap. And upper middle class whites like me and my son replaced by Asian engineers.

        Trump should be able to beat little Bloomy like a drum. However ... while Trump is very good at visceral anti-elite "drain the swamp" stuff, he's pretty bad at making the sort of clear coherent nationalist case that would eviserate Bloomberg.

        So there's a chance for Bloomy to squeak in as a "responsible" "moderate", when he actually has zero loyalty to his fellow Americans and has absolutely no business offering himself as their leader, but rather is a traitor whose head belongs on a pike.

        Trump has not done much on the immigration front, esp. on H1b and OPT. He even said he wants the “largest number” of immigrants to come in, all legally. In the past 3 years he’s talked about an EO to end birthright citizenship for illegals and tourists, ending H1b spousal work visa, that’s about it, and they were all talks, nothing got done.

        While he was busy kowtowing to every demand from Israel. His first term was basically to Make Israel Great Again.

        Trump needs to do a lot more on curtailing *legal* immigration if he wants to get his base enthusiastic enough to come back out to vote for him, esp. the suburban voters.

        • Agree: RadicalCenter
      221. Did any of the candidates memorialize Pop Smoke,who was tragically murdered in his LA home earlier that day?

      222. News from the city that never sleeps: guy who slashed the French tourists throat is known, he’s the neighborhood slasher. Sure, that’s all he is. No big deal. Every neighborhood has one, right?

        https://nypost.com/2020/02/18/ex-con-accused-of-slitting-tourists-throat-known-as-local-neck-slasher/

      223. @Lot
        “ The taller candidate always wins.”

        Not in 1992, 2000, or 2004.

        Obama seems to be about half an inch taller than Romney, but Romney looks taller in most photos together because he has straighter posture and a bigger build.

        WolframAlpha says Buttigieg is slightly taller than Bloomberg.

      224. @Anon
        As Scott Adams would say: analogies are no substitute for thinking. If it’s between Trump and Bloomberg then it’s: The most interesting man in the world versus boring Bloomberg, one billionaire who relates to the common man versus the billionaire who appears to be buying his way into the nomination, a master of persuasion versus the awkward short Jewish guy. The election won’t be close.

        If it’s between Trump and Bloomberg then it’s: The most interesting man in the world versus boring Bloomberg, one billionaire who relates to the common man versus the billionaire who appears to be buying his way into the nomination, a master of persuasion versus the awkward short Jewish guy. The election won’t be close.

        What’s more: Melania Trump is much easier on the eyes of perpetually put-upon white men than Diana Taylor (with apologies to the latter), and damned if the Donald doesn’t know that too.

        • Replies: @RadicalCenter
        Other than the blow to his ego, I don’t think Bloomberg and his fellow plutocrats will mind trumpstein winning re-election.

        As ultra-high “earners”, they have greatly profited from his tax policies. As employers who want their employees to have no bargaining power, they have profited from his mass-immigration policy.

        The 2018 income-tax bill, absurdly, cut the top rate, which applies today to a married couple’s combined taxable income above $622,000. That rate used to be 39.6% and started at a lower threshold, and now it’s 36%. Just keeping the top rate unchanged would have enabled Trump/Congress to drastically slash the fed income tax rates on middle and upper-middle incomes.

        Before Trump: https://taxfoundation.org/2017-tax-brackets
        After Trump: https://taxfoundation.org/2020-tax-brackets

        The trump cuts put massive dollars back into the pockets of Bloomberg and his fellow billionaires (Jeff Bezos and his ex-wife, Bill gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Warren Buffet, Rupert Murdoch, Shelly Adelson, et al.).

        The median household income in the USA was about $64,000 in 2019:
        https://dqydj.com/average-median-top-household-income-percentiles/

        Off the top of my head, then, bloomie and each of those scumbags saved more in federal income tax thanks to trump’s bill than 100,000 typical American families. And they can hire even more lower-paid Indians and Chinese to replace white American professionals. Then hire even more lower-paid Mexicans, Salvadorans, Guatemalans, etc., instead of Americans for lower-skilled service and manual-labor jobs.

        Yeah, that Trump really “relates to the regular guy.” Let’s stop being schmucks. Screw Trump and screw Sanders as he spews communist rhetoric while kicking back at his three houses.
      225. Anon[316] • Disclaimer says:

        A 20-year-old rapper posts his Hollywood Hills address on social media, and four to six thugs in hoodies (there was a party going on, so “unwanted party guests”?) show up and kill him.

        Is a parade in the offing, or is this guy not as much of a sainted local humanitarian as Nipsey Hustle?

        https://www.tmz.com/2020/02/19/pop-smoke-dead-dies-20-murdered-home-invasion-robbery/

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8020843/Rapper-Pop-Smoke-20-shot-killed-home-invasion-robbery-Hollywood-Hills.html

        The NYT piece is LOL. You’d think Beethoven had just died:

        https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/19/arts/music/pop-smoke-death.html

        Remembering Pop Smoke, a Rapper Who Brought Brooklyn to the World

        “Welcome to the Party” was the anchor of Pop Smoke’s debut album, “Meet the Woo,” but the real emotional core was “PTSD.” On an album full of tossed-off threats and rowdy bluster, a soundtrack for rumbles in dark basements, here was a song about the cost of all that conflict. “My PTSD starting to kick in so I gotta get high,” he rapped, before detailing all the things he needed to escape from. “I spent 20 on my wrist and 20 on a chain/I be spoiling myself so I can ease the pain.”

        I miss the days of NYT mandatory title use: “Mr. Rotten turned to Mr. Vicious …”

      226. Anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:

        If we’re gonna pull out archetypical analogies, the best representative facsimile of Trump was performed by Alec Baldwin.

        No, not as depicted on Saturday Night Live. It was in Glengarry Glen Ross.

        Trump isn’t a political candidate. Trump is a mentality, that is American as apple pie.

        And American’s like apple pie. They know apple pie. It’s a winning pie.

        Hummus dip and pita bread is for losers.

        Apple pie is for winners, coffee is for closers, and that mentality is Donald Trump.

        And don’t you forget it.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
        Looking back, Ross Perot was right in 1992.
      227. @AnotherDad
        Funny that the Democrats, having been essentially the Jewish party my whole life--Jewish financed, Jewish scribblers, Jewish operatives, Jewish ideology--is now in the year of peak "don't touch my hair" anti-white "woke", seemingly coming down to choosing between two elderly Jewish white guys.

        Guys who represent the two opposite strands in Jewish politics:

        Bernie the 19th/20th century, submerg our separateness in all-on-the-same-team socialism, which was the dominant Jewish strain in mid-20th century America.

        And Bloomberg the more recently dominant--but essentially the ancient/classic Jewish middle-man-minority take--"the goyim exist for us to exploit".

        If Bernie was able to follow his natural--Samual Gomperish--inclinations on mass immigration (as "a Koch brothers" program)--and call for immigration moratorium--"we can't have high wages and free health care" with people streaming into our nation"--Bernie would be formidable. Unfortunately for Bernie ... he's fundamentally a weak man and has rollled over for escalating demands of Jewish minoritarianism that are sweeping the party.

        Bloomberg on the other hand offers Americans nothing but exploitation. My working class relatives to be replaced by Mexicans Bloomy needs to keep his country club greens in good shape on the cheap. And upper middle class whites like me and my son replaced by Asian engineers.

        Trump should be able to beat little Bloomy like a drum. However ... while Trump is very good at visceral anti-elite "drain the swamp" stuff, he's pretty bad at making the sort of clear coherent nationalist case that would eviserate Bloomberg.

        So there's a chance for Bloomy to squeak in as a "responsible" "moderate", when he actually has zero loyalty to his fellow Americans and has absolutely no business offering himself as their leader, but rather is a traitor whose head belongs on a pike.

        So there’s a chance for Bloomy to squeak in as a “responsible” “moderate”

        Well that chance is gone.

        Warren came out fighting and stuck her claws in Bloomberg.

        I don’t think she won the debate but he definitely lost.

      228. @Hail
        PredictIt betting market on who will be elected president in Nov. 2020, at end of debate:

        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERMLekSW4AIoFj_.jpg

        The sum of the "Latest Yes Price" is 117. Dividing by that number, we get implied probabilities to win:

        - Trump: 47%
        - Sanders: 26%
        - Bloomberg: 10% (down from 15% yesterday)
        - 16% split between Biden, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Hillary, and Warren.
        - 1% All Others (=some kind of true dark-horse at the D convention other than Hillary).

        Bloomberg: 10% (down from 15% yesterday)

        Quantifies his debate performance as well as any other metric.

      229. @Jack D

        I’ve come across things that would help piss off every single two-bit fringe group that’ll converge on Milwaukee this summer.
         
        Bloomberg is clearly not the candidate of choice for the activist base. The problem is that they guy that they really like is (at least I hope he is, for America's sake) unelectable. The Dems are going to end up in a Corbyn situation if they pick Sanders. A wildly enthusiastic Leftist still only gets one vote no matter how wildly enthusiastic he is. As others have pointed out, if Bloomberg would stop apologizing and pandering to these fringe groups, this would make him MORE popular among mainstream voters.

        With Bloomberg, as you say, Trump's best bet is that the activist base stays home because they are unenthusiastic about Bloomberg. I understand that many people in America are alienated from mainstream candidates (much more than the elites really understand) but there are not a lot of unconverted voters left for Trump aside from those who voted for him last time. Just because you are alienated doesn't automatically make you a Trump voter.

        Bloomberg’s sellability issues go beyond the SJWs and the Bernie Bros, though. Like Hillary Clinton, he clearly disdains average Americans, and he’s not hiding that well. In today’s political climate, I cannot think of a more exploitable topic.

        For all of Trump’s visible, over-the-top self-absorbedness, you never got the impression he despised you: that’s what enabled him to actually use the resources his oligarch status gave him successfully. Bloomberg can print out all the slick commercials he likes: he’s not going to be able to hide the fact that the DNC is bending all the rules for him and that everything “mainstream” in America is now lauding a situation they’d denounce if this was, say, Eastern Europe. He can still win. But it’ll be based off the mistakes of Sanders and Trump, not his own merits.

        >As others have pointed out, if Bloomberg would stop apologizing and pandering to these fringe groups, this would make him MORE popular among mainstream voters.

        What makes him different from Mitt Romney apart from having to mouth Democratic platitudes rather than Republican ones, and that he might have to outright buy the nomination?

        > Just because you are alienated doesn’t automatically make you a Trump voter.

        Which opens the question: can you imagine what a non-clownish GOP insurgent could have been capable of?

        • Replies: @Ozymandias
        "Which opens the question: can you imagine what a non-clownish GOP insurgent could have been capable of?"

        Jack, that's what. Its gotten really tiring hearing how great Trump would be if he didn't do all the things that made Trump successful.
      230. @Hypnotoad666

        If ACME had been a real company, product liability lawsuits would have driven it out of business by now.
         
        Very true. On the other hand, most jurisdictions do not allow lawsuits by ducks and coyotes. So ACME would have that going for it, at least.

        Give it time .

        • LOL: bomag
      231. @International Jew
        If ACME had been a real company, product liability lawsuits would have driven it out of business by now.

        If ACME had been a real company, product liability lawsuits would have driven it out of business by now.

        I think it is a real company. It’s now called Lockheed-Martin.

      232. @AnotherDad
        Funny that the Democrats, having been essentially the Jewish party my whole life--Jewish financed, Jewish scribblers, Jewish operatives, Jewish ideology--is now in the year of peak "don't touch my hair" anti-white "woke", seemingly coming down to choosing between two elderly Jewish white guys.

        Guys who represent the two opposite strands in Jewish politics:

        Bernie the 19th/20th century, submerg our separateness in all-on-the-same-team socialism, which was the dominant Jewish strain in mid-20th century America.

        And Bloomberg the more recently dominant--but essentially the ancient/classic Jewish middle-man-minority take--"the goyim exist for us to exploit".

        If Bernie was able to follow his natural--Samual Gomperish--inclinations on mass immigration (as "a Koch brothers" program)--and call for immigration moratorium--"we can't have high wages and free health care" with people streaming into our nation"--Bernie would be formidable. Unfortunately for Bernie ... he's fundamentally a weak man and has rollled over for escalating demands of Jewish minoritarianism that are sweeping the party.

        Bloomberg on the other hand offers Americans nothing but exploitation. My working class relatives to be replaced by Mexicans Bloomy needs to keep his country club greens in good shape on the cheap. And upper middle class whites like me and my son replaced by Asian engineers.

        Trump should be able to beat little Bloomy like a drum. However ... while Trump is very good at visceral anti-elite "drain the swamp" stuff, he's pretty bad at making the sort of clear coherent nationalist case that would eviserate Bloomberg.

        So there's a chance for Bloomy to squeak in as a "responsible" "moderate", when he actually has zero loyalty to his fellow Americans and has absolutely no business offering himself as their leader, but rather is a traitor whose head belongs on a pike.

        >Unfortunately for Bernie … he’s fundamentally a weak man and has rollled over for escalating demands of Jewish minoritarianism that are sweeping the party.

        He’s let the genie out of the bottle, though. His supporters are mean and testy. They are only going to get meaner and testier as the Bloomberg campaign continues to be visibly supported by the powers-that-be in the United States.

        Even if he urges them to calm down, I’m not sure they will, especially if DNC chicanery gets more visible. And once there’s another Chicago situation, it’ll be difficult for the Democrats to recover, no matter how much of a crude loudmouth Trump is. Americans generally don’t like riots. It took the whole resources of the New Deal coalition for Humphrey to get close to Nixon in ’68 after being 15 points down in September. They don’t have close to those resources anymore, especially after Obama hollowed out the party on a state and local level.

        >Bloomberg on the other hand offers Americans nothing but exploitation.

        My point exactly. If you are an accelerationist, pray for a Bloomberg victory. In my darker moments, I think if we are doomed to an economic crunch, I would hope that Bloomberg gets saddled with the blame to finally put the crucial millstone around the necks of our elites. But…

        >However … while Trump is very good at visceral anti-elite “drain the swamp” stuff, he’s pretty bad at making the sort of clear coherent nationalist case that would eviserate Bloomberg.

        Exactly why I’m worried: Bloomberg is a lot of things, but he isn’t stupid. I’m deeply concerned about Trump’s intellectual ability to figure out that listening to Mitch McConnell and Jarhead was an extremely bad idea that needs to be disavowed immediately if he’s to have a shot at continuing in the White House. He needs to not just disavow the approach he’s taken, he needs to disavow *them* to win.

        Bush/Romneyism is dead. No more coddling the GOP Establishment: time to make that fact explicitly, brutally clear. I know that Trump doesn’t give a damn about anything other than his petty whims, but his political survival depends on it. A President Bloomberg-or a President Trump that continues in the vein of his first term-is a great way of ensuring some variant of Sanders taking power down the line.

        • Replies: @Johnny Smoggins
        "If you are an accelerationist, pray for a Bloomberg victory."

        I'll leave the praying part to the believers but I think the best thing for America in the long run would be exactly the scenario you've described. A Bloomberg (or Butt Plug) victory would destroy the Democrats.
      233. @Lot
        “ Anus Chasten”

        My anus is chastened by Indian food.

        你去四川省吗?

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

        你去四川省吗?

         
        您要去士嘉堡博览会吗?


        欧芹,鼠尾草,迷迭香和百里香...

        那里的人一定记得我

        她曾经是我的好朋友
      234. @Hail
        PredictIt betting market on who will be elected president in Nov. 2020, at end of debate:

        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERMLekSW4AIoFj_.jpg

        The sum of the "Latest Yes Price" is 117. Dividing by that number, we get implied probabilities to win:

        - Trump: 47%
        - Sanders: 26%
        - Bloomberg: 10% (down from 15% yesterday)
        - 16% split between Biden, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Hillary, and Warren.
        - 1% All Others (=some kind of true dark-horse at the D convention other than Hillary).

        Yeah Mike bombed, especially the first half. He didn’t seem to have a prepared closing statement, though most of the others didn’t either.

        Warren was remarkably unlikeable, a hyperactive SJW schoolmarm. “Yes Mike, I do think I should cut your balls off right now on this stage for your crimes against black and brown men.”

        And I kinda liked her when she was doing her pre-Senate anti-bank book tour.

        • Replies: @Anon
        I watched various YouTube highlight reels and the "Everything Bloomberg Said" reel, and I think Bloomberg came off very well. I'm seeing that the spin, which is what matters, is that he was "destroyed." Oh well.

        Trump is my guy, although I think he'll be even worse in betraying his anti-immigration, anti-woke base in a second term. If Trump loses, of the debating Democrats the two mayors seen best to me. Klobuchar sets of my irrational Hillary chalkboard fingernails phobia, and Bernie and Warren are both insanely woke now. Biden will die in office, so I want to know his VP, plus he seems to be on an awokening fast track.
      235. Anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:

        For all of Trump’s visible, over-the-top self-absorbedness, you never got the impression he despised you

        You can call it his Achilles heel, or his great advantage, but I’ve been saying for years that one of Trump’s unwavering attributes he’s always had, that you can depend on, is he likes to be liked.
        He doesn’t need to be liked. He enjoys being liked. There’s a difference, and it’s a quality of a good leader. It makes him authentically responsive, yet not easy to manipulate.

      236. • Replies: @Hibernian

        Hablaron y hablaron porque en eso, son expertos.
         
        Why not simply "Hablaron porque en eso, son expertos?"
      237. Bloomberg should have skipped the debate.

        Far more people will see his commercials and social media content than see the debate. He should have known going in to it that it could only hurt him.

        He could have made a plausible excuse, like: “Steyer is actually on the ballot in NV. If he doesn’t belong in this debate, neither do I. In the interest of Democracy, I refuse to participate.” Or: “These debates are a pointless media circus. They aren’t even real debates. Instead of wasting my time at a fake debate, I’ll be serving soup to homeless veterans, and I encourage my fellow Democrats to do the same.”

      238. Warren was remarkably unlikeable, a hyperactive SJW schoolmarm. “Yes Mike, I do think I should cut your balls off right now on this stage for your crimes against black and brown men.”

        She ended up doing Bernie’s dirty work for him.

        Bernie wasn’t great but came off as being more focused on the issues while Warren went hyper shrill on Bloomberg.

        Not sure what her husband is doing or should I say not doing right. That woman is frigid.

        • Replies: @anon
        Not sure what her husband is doing or should I say not doing right.



        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_H._Mann#/media/File:Bruce_H._Mann_(8167939491).jpg
      239. I took a look at both of them in action tonight, and Bloomberg simply isn’t in Trump’s league when it comes to working a crowd, etc.

      240. @Paleo Liberal
        From some of Steve’s earlier posts, specifically the one about wages of IQ 120 people in different ethnic groups, it appears the growth of the upper middle class has been pretty much entirely due to immigration.

        If anything, the white upper middle class has declined slightly. And the “talented tenth” blacks have really taken a punch to the gut or slightly below.

        A lot of the white upper middle class families from a generation ago are keeping their middle class kids above water; helping pay for down payments on homes and college tuition for the grandchildren, as well as helping out when their kids get laid off. The only reason the children of the past generations’ upper middle class are doing okay in life is because of the family support system.

        And when young people today graduate out into what were once middle to upper middle class careers — STEM fields, for example — they won’t have the comfortably well off parents to help them as they compete with Asian immigrants.

        When I attended grade school in Honolulu in the mid-’60s, there were no Asians at all in my class.

        The teacher and half my classmates were Japanese, and Chinese numbered about the same as us haoles. There might have been a lone Korean or Philippine. And a good number of mixes.

        But there were no “Asians”. Hell, Honolulu was probably more American in 1965 than Madison is today!

        Historically, Asians have made fine Americans in small numbers. No group has made fine Americans in large numbers.

        Large-scale immigration is destabilizing, in all places and at all times. But rarely is that the explicit purpose, as it is now.

        • Agree: HammerJack
      241. @Hail

        Mikaela Spielberg, one of the famed director's seven children, has begun self-producing solo adult film videos at the age of 23, she told The Sun.

        Spielberg's daughter, who lives in Nashville, Tenn., has already submitted an application to become a sex worker
         

        Mikaela is currently engaged to a man named Chuck Pankow, 47, who also is rallying behind her budding adult entertainment career.
         
        This reads like a satire designed to be shocking but too implausible to be effective.

        On right is Mikaela Spielberg, substantial Subsaharan ancestry:

        https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/02/1862/1048/mikaela-spielberg-getty.jpg

        Spielberg and Capshaw adopted Mikaela in 1996 and she grew up in the film industry
         

        Is “Chuck Pankow” even a real name? Pankow is the neighborhood of Berlin where East German bigwigs had their main residences. “Pankow” was used as a metonym for the East German regime, just like “the Kremlin” was used as a metonym for the leadership of the Soviet Union.

      242. @Anon
        OT: I have no idea if this is accurate or fake news: China seeks court's approval to kill over 20,000 patients with the coronavirus to avoid further spread of the disease: Link is below.

        Well, it's certainly a typical Chinese (and Communist for that matter) solution to the problem.

        https://twitter.com/LW_VNS/status/1230084036447440896

        It won't help, though. It's already out of control in China.

        There is an awful lot of kana for a post about China.

      243. @nebulafox
        你去四川省吗?

        你去四川省吗?

        您要去士嘉堡博览会吗?

        欧芹,鼠尾草,迷迭香和百里香…

        那里的人一定记得我

        她曾经是我的好朋友

        • Replies: @nebulafox
        I'm afraid so.
        , @petit bourgeois
        Can Y'all speak English in this forum?

        I'm having difficulty because I thought this was an English / Spanish speaking forum.

        I want to speak to the Manager.
      244. @Reg Cæsar

        你去四川省吗?

         
        您要去士嘉堡博览会吗?


        欧芹,鼠尾草,迷迭香和百里香...

        那里的人一定记得我

        她曾经是我的好朋友

        I’m afraid so.

      245. @GamecockJerry
        As someone who grew up on Long Island, his NY Jew voice is like nails on a chalkboard.

        Trumpslide 2020.

        My Brooklyn-born wife can’t stand the sight of Bloomberg, and she has no ideological bones against him… She just finds him repellent. Even more so than she finds me – another short, old husk with a smart mouth.

        • Replies: @Servant of Gla'aki

        My Brooklyn-born wife can’t stand the sight of Bloomberg, and she has no ideological bones against him… She just finds him repellent.
         
        Every time my wife sees Bloomberg, she comments on how he "looks like the Devil".
      246. @Hail
        PredictIt betting market on who will be elected president in Nov. 2020, at end of debate:

        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERMLekSW4AIoFj_.jpg

        The sum of the "Latest Yes Price" is 117. Dividing by that number, we get implied probabilities to win:

        - Trump: 47%
        - Sanders: 26%
        - Bloomberg: 10% (down from 15% yesterday)
        - 16% split between Biden, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Hillary, and Warren.
        - 1% All Others (=some kind of true dark-horse at the D convention other than Hillary).

        You are kind of sick, with your “bookie mathematics,” and “laws of probability,” but you’re kind of a sage, predicting the future.

        I’m not all in, but I’m listening.

        • Replies: @Hail

        I’m listening
         
        The morning after (Debate Start +11 hours; Debate End+9 hours), PredictIt now has buy/sell prices, based on transactions since the debate, implying:

        Bloomberg is down to 9% to be the one president in November; and

        Klobuchar has dropped down into the "All Others 1%" category.

        The gains from these two slight dips are distributed evenly across the remaining people. No sign of Sanders slowing down via this tracking metric.

        RealClearPolitics' betting odds (averaging several betting sites' numbers), just released for Feb. 20, now has Bernie over 50% to win the D nomination, the first time he's broken that barrier (he was at 47% as of Feb. 19; and running a medium-run avg., more-or-less steady, at 40% for Jan. 25 to Feb. 16, then rising). Bernie's gains of Feb. 18 to 20 here are at the expense of Bloomberg.
      247. @Anon
        Little Mike got owned by Elizabeth Warren.

        It was brutal. And she did it twice.

      248. @Vince Dennis
        Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by s whopping 4 million
        Trump didn't win

        He used Russian interference and the platform of of racists to win the electoral college an outdated needless institution

        How do you guys contend with the fact People of Color academics and journalists disagree with you vehemently

        Fifth Runner Up in the Butt Plug Slam Poetry Finals 2020

        Hillary Clinton
        Won the popular vote
        Trump didn’t win

        Racists, racists, racists
        Russians are everywhere
        The Electoral College
        Is an outdated institution

        How do you contend
        With the fact, you guys, that
        People of Color
        Academics
        And journalists
        Disagree with you?

        Vehemently!

      249. @Charles Erwin Wilson

        Trump needs to take more action on building the wall, kicking out illegals, and scaling back “civil rights” legislation to get his base really fired up.
         
        The rallies show that the base is fired up. When you have all those receptive to your message, you cannot get any more.

        Get back to base politics.
         
        Good advice. But Trump could expand the base by, e.g., blocking the Republican traitors carrying water for the donor class. Shut down Asian immigration. And then work hard to get out the coders, techies and college grad who have had their prospects undermined my Asian immigration.

        But Trump could expand the base by, e.g., blocking the Republican traitors carrying water for the donor class. Shut down Asian immigration. And then work hard to get out the coders, techies and college grad who have had their prospects undermined my Asian immigration.

        A program to raise wages for actual American citizens would be a big winner.

      250. @J.Ross
        Meanwhile in Brazil,
        --police are protesting
        --leftists don't like that
        --a leftist senator attacks the protesting off-duty policemen with a back hoe
        --no one could have foreseen that off duty cops had guns! Pizarro Sanders is shot twice but lives
        --lyingpress now pushing the narrative that he is a victim of the violent protesters
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awyHPiIxFj0

        Off-duty cops shooting lefty senators? Maybe there IS an upside to this turning into Brazil thing!

      251. @bucky
        Yeah, Bloomberg has an emotional draw to me akin to how Trump has an emotional draw on working class whites.

        And he didn't do all that great tonight. Still, I found myself rooting for him despite his stumbles. Kinda like how working class whites root for Trump when he stumbles.

        I listen to about 3 Bloomberg shows a day. They are generally intelligent and interesting. I admire the business he built. A dream job would be working for Bloomberg.

        Just kinda sad how he has to apologise on his back foot all through these debates. I guess with the electorate how it is, it is the wise thing to do, but I really wish he would have gone full Trump and owned it instead of apologizing.

        Yeah, Bloomberg has an emotional draw to me akin to how Trump has an emotional draw on working class whites.

        You must be part lizard, for the only “emotional draw” of Bloomberg’s I’ve ever seen is reptilian in nature.

        And he didn’t do all that great tonight.

        He didn’t do all that great? The man got skewered like a roasted pig. As the first hour of the debate came to a close, I even started feeling a little sorry for Bloomberg, and I can’t stand the guy. That’s how bad it got for him tonight.

        • Replies: @Colin Wright
        'He didn’t do all that great? The man got skewered like a roasted pig. As the first hour of the debate came to a close, I even started feeling a little sorry for Bloomberg, and I can’t stand the guy. That’s how bad it got for him tonight.'

        Now what's Israel going to do?
        , @Bucky
        Politics is Hollywood for ugly people. But politics is real life and I don’t really care about the charisma of the president, only that he is effective and implements the right policies, and of all of them Bloomberg has the right experience and expertise imho.

        And yet yes I do have an emotional draw to the guy due to my consumption of his media properties.
      252. @Pincher Martin

        Yeah, Bloomberg has an emotional draw to me akin to how Trump has an emotional draw on working class whites.
         
        You must be part lizard, for the only "emotional draw" of Bloomberg's I've ever seen is reptilian in nature.

        And he didn’t do all that great tonight.
         
        He didn't do all that great? The man got skewered like a roasted pig. As the first hour of the debate came to a close, I even started feeling a little sorry for Bloomberg, and I can't stand the guy. That's how bad it got for him tonight.

        ‘He didn’t do all that great? The man got skewered like a roasted pig. As the first hour of the debate came to a close, I even started feeling a little sorry for Bloomberg, and I can’t stand the guy. That’s how bad it got for him tonight.’

        Now what’s Israel going to do?

        • Replies: @Lot
        Israel’s Occupied Territories: Golan Heights, West Bank, Colin Wright’s Brain.

        https://southfront.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Screenshot_2-34.jpg
      253. @Anonymous
        What is a “cracker”?

        What is a “cracker”?

        • Replies: @The Germ Theory of Disease
        "What is a 'cracker'?"

        The slur "cracker" is really the most misunderstood and misused of slurs.

        It actually derives from the Irish-Gaelic "craic," meaning witty banter, gossip, amusing idle conversation. "I go down the pub for a pint, but I stay for the craic." "That fellow just loves to take the piss, he's a real cracker." That sort of thing. You see it of course in the slang term "wise-cracker" or in the Ancient Egyptian humor magazine Cracked.

        So a "cracker" is literally a person who is funny and witty in casual conversation.

        Remember that the next time POC get all un-cracker-like in your company.
      254. @nebulafox
        Bloomberg's sellability issues go beyond the SJWs and the Bernie Bros, though. Like Hillary Clinton, he clearly disdains average Americans, and he's not hiding that well. In today's political climate, I cannot think of a more exploitable topic.

        For all of Trump's visible, over-the-top self-absorbedness, you never got the impression he despised you: that's what enabled him to actually use the resources his oligarch status gave him successfully. Bloomberg can print out all the slick commercials he likes: he's not going to be able to hide the fact that the DNC is bending all the rules for him and that everything "mainstream" in America is now lauding a situation they'd denounce if this was, say, Eastern Europe. He can still win. But it'll be based off the mistakes of Sanders and Trump, not his own merits.

        >As others have pointed out, if Bloomberg would stop apologizing and pandering to these fringe groups, this would make him MORE popular among mainstream voters.

        What makes him different from Mitt Romney apart from having to mouth Democratic platitudes rather than Republican ones, and that he might have to outright buy the nomination?

        > Just because you are alienated doesn’t automatically make you a Trump voter.

        Which opens the question: can you imagine what a non-clownish GOP insurgent could have been capable of?

        “Which opens the question: can you imagine what a non-clownish GOP insurgent could have been capable of?”

        Jack, that’s what. Its gotten really tiring hearing how great Trump would be if he didn’t do all the things that made Trump successful.

        • Replies: @Mr. Anon

        Jack, that’s what. Its gotten really tiring hearing how great Trump would be if he didn’t do all the things that made Trump successful.
         
        Almost as tiring as hearing about how great Trump would be if he were to actually, finally do the things people thought would make him great when he ran four years ago.
      255. @Anon
        Little Mike got owned by Elizabeth Warren.

        “I’d like to talk about who we’re running against, a billionaire who calls women ‘fat broads’ and ‘horse-faced lesbians,’ and, no, I’m not talking about Donald Trump, I’m talking about Mayor Bloomberg,” said Senator Warren.”

        Someone changed Bloomberg’s Wikipedia page:

        53A9027D-D83C-4113-8162-5B81078AD1D6

        Unfortunately it’s now been corrected.

        • LOL: Dan Hayes, Alden, A123
      256. @Reg Cæsar

        你去四川省吗?

         
        您要去士嘉堡博览会吗?


        欧芹,鼠尾草,迷迭香和百里香...

        那里的人一定记得我

        她曾经是我的好朋友

        Can Y’all speak English in this forum?

        I’m having difficulty because I thought this was an English / Spanish speaking forum.

        I want to speak to the Manager.

      257. @Anonymous

        First one I watched in full. Was pretty amusing. I was live-trolling a major Dem site. They were most triggered by “Warren is too scoldly like Hillary.”
         
        I can tell you my Elizabeth Warren friends really hate her being compared to a bitchy librarian.

        I don’t know why it makes them so mad. Have they never spoken too loud in a public library?
        Whatever. It really winds them up.

        What’s fun is to tell a Bernie supporter that dem leaders are going to pull the rug out from under him again. They start ranting like Muslim jihadis. Fat little computer nerds talking shit like they’re Abbie Hoffman. They are an eccentrically wacky crowd.

        Dems are a hot mess.

        “ Have they never spoken too loud in a public library?”

        Well urban libraries now mainly exist for homeless to surf internet porn and shoot up meth and heroin in the bathrooms.

        A few people use it for free DVD rentals too.

      258. @Jack D
        Edison invented the stock ticker. Did this make him a neoliberal too?

        Bloomberg made his money precisely in the old fashioned way - he invented a better mousetrap. That it was a kind of mousetrap that stockbrokers buy (actually rent) doesn't change that.

        I guess neoliberal is now an alt.right dirty word, along with neoconservative. Neo-anything is bad I guess if you are a reactionary.

        Bloomberg’s got a good TV ad about his invention. It implied the truth. He’s the only democrat candidate whose ever had a real job or done anything useful. I like him better than the rest for that. Don’t like gun grabbing. Love his stop and frisk, no hanging out on subway stairs to trip and harass people and the other quality of life enforcement. And if it’s black behavior that makes the quality of life nasty, so what.

      259. @Colin Wright
        'He didn’t do all that great? The man got skewered like a roasted pig. As the first hour of the debate came to a close, I even started feeling a little sorry for Bloomberg, and I can’t stand the guy. That’s how bad it got for him tonight.'

        Now what's Israel going to do?

        Israel’s Occupied Territories: Golan Heights, West Bank, Colin Wright’s Brain.

      260. @anon
        I'm not saying that the DNC is a gerontocracy, but the current spat between Sanders staffers and Bloomberg's staff has to do with health: Bloomberg had a cardiac stent put in 15 or more years ago, Bernie had his "cardiac event" last October.

        Basically, The staffers are arguing over which candidate has had the most heart attacks.

        They are both 78 years old. Trump is younger!

        The billionaire vs The Bolshevik.

        What I’d like to see is Bloomberg becoming Trump’s VP candidate, the two Noo Yawkers winning and fundamentalist anti gay anti abortion anti everything the liberals love Pence appointed to the Supreme Court.

        That would be a show as the liberals exploded.

      261. Anon[119] • Disclaimer says:
        @Lot
        Yeah Mike bombed, especially the first half. He didn’t seem to have a prepared closing statement, though most of the others didn’t either.

        Warren was remarkably unlikeable, a hyperactive SJW schoolmarm. “Yes Mike, I do think I should cut your balls off right now on this stage for your crimes against black and brown men.”

        And I kinda liked her when she was doing her pre-Senate anti-bank book tour.

        I watched various YouTube highlight reels and the “Everything Bloomberg Said” reel, and I think Bloomberg came off very well. I’m seeing that the spin, which is what matters, is that he was “destroyed.” Oh well.

        Trump is my guy, although I think he’ll be even worse in betraying his anti-immigration, anti-woke base in a second term. If Trump loses, of the debating Democrats the two mayors seen best to me. Klobuchar sets of my irrational Hillary chalkboard fingernails phobia, and Bernie and Warren are both insanely woke now. Biden will die in office, so I want to know his VP, plus he seems to be on an awokening fast track.

      262. @Reg Cæsar

        What is a “cracker”?

         
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MISheFjGdlQ


        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1-eCwM4ivc

        “What is a ‘cracker’?”

        The slur “cracker” is really the most misunderstood and misused of slurs.

        It actually derives from the Irish-Gaelic “craic,” meaning witty banter, gossip, amusing idle conversation. “I go down the pub for a pint, but I stay for the craic.” “That fellow just loves to take the piss, he’s a real cracker.” That sort of thing. You see it of course in the slang term “wise-cracker” or in the Ancient Egyptian humor magazine Cracked.

        So a “cracker” is literally a person who is funny and witty in casual conversation.

        Remember that the next time POC get all un-cracker-like in your company.

        • Replies: @Anon
        "The slur “cracker” ... actually derives from the ..."

        As with most words like this, they don't really know the derivation/etymology.

        H. L. Mencken devoted quite a few pages in The American Language to two dozen or so possible derivations for the word yankee, for instance. Wikipedia has a number of possible cracker etymologies.

        Words like cracker are especially difficult to trace, since slang in the past was not set down in writing for the first several decades of usage (its users were usually illiterate), and cracker is a homophone for other meanings, which may, or may not, have different derivations.

        The First Law of Etymology is "If an explanation of a word's origin is especially interesting and can be made into a just-so story, it's probably not the actual derivation." Nobody sets out to come up with a boring story to explain a word. Even when there is a kernel of truth, details are added in the telling.
        , @Yojimbo/Zatoichi
        "wise-cracker" may be a derivative from the slang term "wiseacre", of the same meaning.

        Ritz crackers area awesome, and Saltines are good as well.
      263. @Vince Dennis
        Hillary Clinton won the popular vote last time by s whopping 4 million
        Trump didn't win

        He used Russian interference and the platform of of racists to win the electoral college an outdated needless institution

        How do you guys contend with the fact People of Color academics and journalists disagree with you vehemently

        I plead Nolo Contendere, my diminutive waterfowl friend.

      264. Anon[316] • Disclaimer says:
        @The Germ Theory of Disease
        "What is a 'cracker'?"

        The slur "cracker" is really the most misunderstood and misused of slurs.

        It actually derives from the Irish-Gaelic "craic," meaning witty banter, gossip, amusing idle conversation. "I go down the pub for a pint, but I stay for the craic." "That fellow just loves to take the piss, he's a real cracker." That sort of thing. You see it of course in the slang term "wise-cracker" or in the Ancient Egyptian humor magazine Cracked.

        So a "cracker" is literally a person who is funny and witty in casual conversation.

        Remember that the next time POC get all un-cracker-like in your company.

        “The slur “cracker” … actually derives from the …”

        As with most words like this, they don’t really know the derivation/etymology.

        H. L. Mencken devoted quite a few pages in The American Language to two dozen or so possible derivations for the word yankee, for instance. Wikipedia has a number of possible cracker etymologies.

        Words like cracker are especially difficult to trace, since slang in the past was not set down in writing for the first several decades of usage (its users were usually illiterate), and cracker is a homophone for other meanings, which may, or may not, have different derivations.

        The First Law of Etymology is “If an explanation of a word’s origin is especially interesting and can be made into a just-so story, it’s probably not the actual derivation.” Nobody sets out to come up with a boring story to explain a word. Even when there is a kernel of truth, details are added in the telling.

      265. @The Germ Theory of Disease
        "What is a 'cracker'?"

        The slur "cracker" is really the most misunderstood and misused of slurs.

        It actually derives from the Irish-Gaelic "craic," meaning witty banter, gossip, amusing idle conversation. "I go down the pub for a pint, but I stay for the craic." "That fellow just loves to take the piss, he's a real cracker." That sort of thing. You see it of course in the slang term "wise-cracker" or in the Ancient Egyptian humor magazine Cracked.

        So a "cracker" is literally a person who is funny and witty in casual conversation.

        Remember that the next time POC get all un-cracker-like in your company.

        “wise-cracker” may be a derivative from the slang term “wiseacre”, of the same meaning.

        Ritz crackers area awesome, and Saltines are good as well.

      266. @Pincher Martin

        Yeah, Bloomberg has an emotional draw to me akin to how Trump has an emotional draw on working class whites.
         
        You must be part lizard, for the only "emotional draw" of Bloomberg's I've ever seen is reptilian in nature.

        And he didn’t do all that great tonight.
         
        He didn't do all that great? The man got skewered like a roasted pig. As the first hour of the debate came to a close, I even started feeling a little sorry for Bloomberg, and I can't stand the guy. That's how bad it got for him tonight.

        Politics is Hollywood for ugly people. But politics is real life and I don’t really care about the charisma of the president, only that he is effective and implements the right policies, and of all of them Bloomberg has the right experience and expertise imho.

        And yet yes I do have an emotional draw to the guy due to my consumption of his media properties.

      267. @Lot
        First one I watched in full. Was pretty amusing. I was live-trolling a major Dem site. They were most triggered by “Warren is too scoldly like Hillary.” “Bernie’s having another heart attack” and “Bloomberg is a strong leader” were also winners.

        I really should find a better hobby, but this is the first I’ve done it since the post 2016 election period.

        So *you’re* Skankhunt42? 😉

      268. @AnotherDad
        Funny that the Democrats, having been essentially the Jewish party my whole life--Jewish financed, Jewish scribblers, Jewish operatives, Jewish ideology--is now in the year of peak "don't touch my hair" anti-white "woke", seemingly coming down to choosing between two elderly Jewish white guys.

        Guys who represent the two opposite strands in Jewish politics:

        Bernie the 19th/20th century, submerg our separateness in all-on-the-same-team socialism, which was the dominant Jewish strain in mid-20th century America.

        And Bloomberg the more recently dominant--but essentially the ancient/classic Jewish middle-man-minority take--"the goyim exist for us to exploit".

        If Bernie was able to follow his natural--Samual Gomperish--inclinations on mass immigration (as "a Koch brothers" program)--and call for immigration moratorium--"we can't have high wages and free health care" with people streaming into our nation"--Bernie would be formidable. Unfortunately for Bernie ... he's fundamentally a weak man and has rollled over for escalating demands of Jewish minoritarianism that are sweeping the party.

        Bloomberg on the other hand offers Americans nothing but exploitation. My working class relatives to be replaced by Mexicans Bloomy needs to keep his country club greens in good shape on the cheap. And upper middle class whites like me and my son replaced by Asian engineers.

        Trump should be able to beat little Bloomy like a drum. However ... while Trump is very good at visceral anti-elite "drain the swamp" stuff, he's pretty bad at making the sort of clear coherent nationalist case that would eviserate Bloomberg.

        So there's a chance for Bloomy to squeak in as a "responsible" "moderate", when he actually has zero loyalty to his fellow Americans and has absolutely no business offering himself as their leader, but rather is a traitor whose head belongs on a pike.

        Eh, he blew it. You can’t get away with making sexist jokes (at any time in the past) as a Dem nowadays.

        • Replies: @Desiderius
        No, Clinton proved you can get away with murder. What you can’t get away with is Romney-style cowardice/being a quitter. We’ll see if Bloomberg can pull off the comeback kid act.
      269. @Lot
        You earned the $10 he paid you for that comment.

        Meaning Bloomberg? It wasn’t meant as a compliment.

        Drago was the bad guy, you see.

      270. @nebulafox
        >Unfortunately for Bernie … he’s fundamentally a weak man and has rollled over for escalating demands of Jewish minoritarianism that are sweeping the party.

        He's let the genie out of the bottle, though. His supporters are mean and testy. They are only going to get meaner and testier as the Bloomberg campaign continues to be visibly supported by the powers-that-be in the United States.

        Even if he urges them to calm down, I'm not sure they will, especially if DNC chicanery gets more visible. And once there's another Chicago situation, it'll be difficult for the Democrats to recover, no matter how much of a crude loudmouth Trump is. Americans generally don't like riots. It took the whole resources of the New Deal coalition for Humphrey to get close to Nixon in '68 after being 15 points down in September. They don't have close to those resources anymore, especially after Obama hollowed out the party on a state and local level.

        >Bloomberg on the other hand offers Americans nothing but exploitation.

        My point exactly. If you are an accelerationist, pray for a Bloomberg victory. In my darker moments, I think if we are doomed to an economic crunch, I would hope that Bloomberg gets saddled with the blame to finally put the crucial millstone around the necks of our elites. But...

        >However … while Trump is very good at visceral anti-elite “drain the swamp” stuff, he’s pretty bad at making the sort of clear coherent nationalist case that would eviserate Bloomberg.

        Exactly why I'm worried: Bloomberg is a lot of things, but he isn't stupid. I'm deeply concerned about Trump's intellectual ability to figure out that listening to Mitch McConnell and Jarhead was an extremely bad idea that needs to be disavowed immediately if he's to have a shot at continuing in the White House. He needs to not just disavow the approach he's taken, he needs to disavow *them* to win.

        Bush/Romneyism is dead. No more coddling the GOP Establishment: time to make that fact explicitly, brutally clear. I know that Trump doesn't give a damn about anything other than his petty whims, but his political survival depends on it. A President Bloomberg-or a President Trump that continues in the vein of his first term-is a great way of ensuring some variant of Sanders taking power down the line.

        “If you are an accelerationist, pray for a Bloomberg victory.”

        I’ll leave the praying part to the believers but I think the best thing for America in the long run would be exactly the scenario you’ve described. A Bloomberg (or Butt Plug) victory would destroy the Democrats.

      271. @Reg Cæsar

        Never liked the smug rabbit with the Brooklyn accent.
         
        For what it's worth, Coney Island was named for its leporine population.

        Also, the Portuguese surname Coelho, as in the author or the former US Congressman, means "rabbit". I saw it on a menu in Lisbon, but ordered octopus instead.

        Speaking of Coney Island and octopodes...


        https://www.brownstoner.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/coney-island-brooklyn-mermaid-parade.jpg

        uhh … hail Hydra?

      272. It’s going to a brokered convention, since Sanders will not have the delegates. And only Sanders is not okay with that. It was subtle, but he’s sending an important message to his supporters, even if he himself will nominally play nice. What do the Bernie Bros do this time when their guy loses when the superdelegates step in to again (this time on the 2nd vote) cut his throat ? Milwaukee had best have the police ready for a complete riot.

        Bloomberg was not ready for the NDA thing. Shocking; this guy knows these women are out there. Again, his departure for Salomon was ugly for exactly these reasons, and his MO has been closer to Jordan Belfort than he’d like to admit. Very surprised physically how tired and old Bloomberg looked. Biden by comparison even with the botox at least had color in his face. Bloomberg was ashen. Not getting the Bermuda as often as he’d like.

        Math is hard; how does any Dem carry the PA, WI, OH et al endorsing the gutting of oil and gas industries?

      273. @Currahee
        "read their “Portraits of 19th Century Feminists” instead of “Kit Carson, Mountain Man”."
        Too true. LOL.

        Agree.

      274. @petit bourgeois
        You are kind of sick, with your "bookie mathematics," and "laws of probability," but you're kind of a sage, predicting the future.

        I'm not all in, but I'm listening.

        I’m listening

        The morning after (Debate Start +11 hours; Debate End+9 hours), PredictIt now has buy/sell prices, based on transactions since the debate, implying:

        Bloomberg is down to 9% to be the one president in November; and

        Klobuchar has dropped down into the “All Others 1%” category.

        The gains from these two slight dips are distributed evenly across the remaining people. No sign of Sanders slowing down via this tracking metric.

        RealClearPolitics’ betting odds (averaging several betting sites’ numbers), just released for Feb. 20, now has Bernie over 50% to win the D nomination, the first time he’s broken that barrier (he was at 47% as of Feb. 19; and running a medium-run avg., more-or-less steady, at 40% for Jan. 25 to Feb. 16, then rising). Bernie’s gains of Feb. 18 to 20 here are at the expense of Bloomberg.

      275. @Anon7
        Thanks to the miracle of Youtube, see Elizabeth Warren lean in as she eviscerates Mike Bloomberg.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD4csGWPo6o

        Although I should note that this video was brought to me via a Michael Bloomberg for President advertisement.

        While it was a dramatic moment, it’s unclear why it would ruin Bloomberg.

        The pundits all seem to agree, though, that Bloomberg suffered a body blow. I wonder what kind of debating style they would have counseled. Angry denunciations? Insults? Tweetman-style threats to put Warren in prison once elected?

        • Replies: @anon
        The pundits all seem to agree, though, that Bloomberg suffered a body blow. I wonder what kind of debating style they would have counseled.

        Swords.

        https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2020/01/13/iowa-courts-david-ostrom-requests-trial-combat-swords-settle-dispute/4456079002/
      276. @Anonymous
        https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1230351072801280000

        Hablaron y hablaron porque en eso, son expertos.

        Why not simply “Hablaron porque en eso, son expertos?”

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar


        Hablaron y hablaron porque en eso
         


        Why not simply “Hablaron porque en eso..."?
         
        It's a line from "Funkytown":


        https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=s36eQwgPNSE
      277. @R.G. Camara
        Trump is really good at picking out enemies he can beat. As I've oft stated before, 2016 was a great time for him to run because he correctly foresaw that Hillary Clinton would be the D nominee. Trump knows he has large negatives, but he also knew Hillary was one of the few people with negatives greater than his.

        Trump also did this with "the Squad." By making 4 screeching, communist, foreign harpies the face of the D's in Congress, he picked out enemies who were more hated than him.

        Remember: it doesn't matter how good or bad you are, it matters how good or bad you are in comparison with your opponent. And if you get to pick who your opponent is going to be, you can pick out the weakest ones.

        Don't think Trump has been sleeping on the D race. He's been bolstering Bloomberg, because the diminutive, milquetoast, nanny-state Bloomberg is a fine enemy that Trump can steamroll using incumbency and the bully pulpit. Bloomberg stands for nothing but being anti-Trump.

        Bernie has the momentum of his followers, which is difficult for Trump, but Bernie is also a weak, cowardly, corrupt, decrepit old pornographer. It would likely take until the first debate for Trump to truly push him down, whereas with Mayor Mike, it can happen right away.

        He’s been bolstering Bloomberg,

        How? Can you point to any words or actions by Trump that do this?

        • Replies: @R.G. Camara
        The fact that people Mike Cernovich and other independent-media types who are not-hostile to Trump are talking him up. I'm not accusing them of being paid for, only that Trump's white house is mentioning Bloomberg a lot to them and letting them run with it.

        But if you're going to play the "you have no stats or numbers or quotes, therefore its not true" angle, kindly exit stage right.
      278. @R.G. Camara
        Bradley got played by Gore big time. Bradley never learned how to play dirty on Gore's level. Gore and Bradley were on a talk show once during the run and Gore made a wild proposal and stuck out his hand to Bradley to try to seal the deal, and Bradley's rejection of the handshake was awkward and made him seem weak and unprepared. It was a display of the difference between a lifetime Swamp Rat and a true believer 1960s lefty.

        2000 wasn’t Al Gore’s first time at the rodeo. Not only did he run in 1988, but he also won 7 states. Bill Bradley has never been dynamic, and he was forced to not run for reelection to the senate from New Jersey in 1996 because he almost lost to Christie Whitman in 1990. She was a nobody at the time.

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar

        2000 wasn’t Al Gore’s first time at the rodeo. Not only did he run in 1988, but he also won 7 states.
         
        He also brought Willie Horton to national attention. Not Lee Atwater.

        Things have certainly calmed down since those days. Now a bigger issue is Tom Horton's, who "bought" Burger King.
      279. I had a hard time finding the debate online, so here it is in case anyone else is looking for it. I guess it’s a money-making opportunity for TV networks? (what is “TV” by the way? I only know Youtube).

        I started watching it and immediately fell asleep, but I hear it’s very exciting.

      280. @Onebelowall
        My uncle worked for Acme his whole life (he's 81). There actually was an Acme a block from my house. They came in when they took over Pathmark.

        Acme was once such a ubiquitous presence in Northern New Jersey that there is a website that chronicles the status of former Acmes. I’m sure your uncle’s Acme is pictured.

        http://acmestyleblog.blogspot.com/

      281. @Ozymandias
        "Which opens the question: can you imagine what a non-clownish GOP insurgent could have been capable of?"

        Jack, that's what. Its gotten really tiring hearing how great Trump would be if he didn't do all the things that made Trump successful.

        Jack, that’s what. Its gotten really tiring hearing how great Trump would be if he didn’t do all the things that made Trump successful.

        Almost as tiring as hearing about how great Trump would be if he were to actually, finally do the things people thought would make him great when he ran four years ago.

      282. @MC
        I've said this until I'm blue in the face: Why don't politicians hire voice coaches?

        Actors do it. Politics is acting for nerds. Why doesn't Ted Cruz have a better voice by now?

        Between Reagan and Trump, it's clear that politicians should be taking more cues from Hollywood for their own benefit.

        Politics is show biz for ugly people. I’m not sure who said it first, but generally true. Tulsi’s the only one even close to good looking, and she’s a dead woman walking

      283. Hard to watch a 5’4” wabbit pretend to be more masculine than Trump

      284. Bloomberg nomination futures plummet after first debate test failure. Bernie futures soar. Likelihood of Trump re-election rises as a result.
        That’s how it went last night. I don’t watch debates, I watch markets.

      285. @John Johnson
        Warren was remarkably unlikeable, a hyperactive SJW schoolmarm. “Yes Mike, I do think I should cut your balls off right now on this stage for your crimes against black and brown men.”

        She ended up doing Bernie's dirty work for him.

        Bernie wasn't great but came off as being more focused on the issues while Warren went hyper shrill on Bloomberg.

        Not sure what her husband is doing or should I say not doing right. That woman is frigid.

        Not sure what her husband is doing or should I say not doing right.

      286. @Precious
        I’m really thinking we should want Trump to loose, this election feels awfully similar to 2004 where the underlying economy was sick but was propped up by an artificial bubble whose eventual implosion did the most damage to the cause of W’s most ardent supporters – so cons. Me thinks this time it will be the border and wall crowd who will take it on a chin after the market implodes in 2021 under Trump.

        Trump is the one guy you want as President when the next financial crisis happens. He will prioritize Americans over saving the banks. And if anyone has to take a haircut, it will be the government and the billionaires over the US taxpayer. The normal legislation introduced in times of economic crisis, that typically try to strangle private business, would be vetoed by him because he doesn't want his family businesses strangled by them.

        Trump wants to be remembered as the best president since George Washington. He can't surpass Andrew Jackson unless he tames a financial crisis by making the banks choke on their own balance sheets.

        I hope you are correct. The next economic slump will start in financial markets first and then move to job market afterwards, it will be a perfect opportunity to enact a 1924 style immigration moratorium.

      287. @Anon
        So the point of GTOD's post is that he doesn't like Trump? Wow what a great contribution. Literally nothing that he said is true or insightful. There is no Iron Law of Elmer Fudd whatever he said. He emotes like a woman, and then rationalizes it afterwards. The anti-Trump losers on this board are just getting so repetitive with their Trump hatred, even they know they need to dress it up a little bit. That's literally all this is.


        nonstop walking baby-tantrum
         
        Pure class all the way. What an original thinker and great human being! Good job, we need more hatred in the world.

        Napoleon Tiny-mite was totally Elmer Fudd at the debate. He should have skipped the debates until he had some delegate cred and Warren had dropped out.

        And GTOD should have waited until after last night’s debate before commenting.

      288. @Hail
        While it was a dramatic moment, it's unclear why it would ruin Bloomberg.

        The pundits all seem to agree, though, that Bloomberg suffered a body blow. I wonder what kind of debating style they would have counseled. Angry denunciations? Insults? Tweetman-style threats to put Warren in prison once elected?

        The pundits all seem to agree, though, that Bloomberg suffered a body blow. I wonder what kind of debating style they would have counseled.

        Swords.

        https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/crime-and-courts/2020/01/13/iowa-courts-david-ostrom-requests-trial-combat-swords-settle-dispute/4456079002/

      289. Bloomberg out with a good attack video using footage from debate:

        Combines Tweetman’s use of social-media trolling in the 2015-16 cycle with a Larry David-like edge of humor. IOW, if Larry David had to produce an ad for Bloomberg, this would be it:

        • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard
        I'm not surprised.

        It's a mistake to think that a guy who has made as much money as he has on Wall Street and spent three terms as the mayor of NYC is not media savvy.

        This is not PR at the level of Trump, but it is good. Bloomberg should do another clip that uses his comment about the fastest way to get Trump re-elected.
        , @ChrisZ
        Watch it a second time and listen to the soundtrack (sighs, gulps, tooth-gnashing, crinkling paper) that the producer laid in under the visuals. Pretty masterful.

        But—enjoyable as it is for readers of this blog, I’m not sure it makes a sale among people who will vote in the Dem primary.
        , @Manfred Arcane
        Remaining passive and apologetic while getting verbally castrated on the debate stage, then getting off the stage and making snarky jokes at the expense of your tormentors, is a stark contrast to Trump's debate style--make vicious, devastating counter-attacks on your opponents when they try to bushwhack you during debate, and then mock them afterwards. It's the difference between looking like a loser trying to get revenge and a winner finishing off a wounded enemy.

        The Bloomberg method appeals to the passive-aggressive self-styled smart guys who haunt Internet comment sections (Vox Day's "gammas") , but Trump's alpha attack mode appeals to most normal people. The majority of voters aren't going to think "well, Bloomie got bashed into submission, but really won because he made a snarky video afterwards.
      290. Anon[117] • Disclaimer says:
        @Dean
        I don't believe there's anyone to stop Sanders (if he lives). They need him to lose 'honorably' but lose they will.

        It's not like Trump has actually delivered on any big promises and he's already out there complaining about needing more H type visas etc. He's being completely ignored in Syria, nothing on Korea, ready to bomb Iran, faking a withdrawal in Afghanistan, asking for more tech export to China (jet engines now) etc. The only real thing he's done is the tax law, hardly what anyone voting for him was clamoring for. He's a big zero, just noise.

        Voted for Trump. Liked his stand on issues that really resonated with me. Tax cut was not one but got some money back. Don’t trust him on guns: take first ask questions later. Totally opposed to increased immigration whether legal skilled, unskilled, family reunification to say nothing of illegal.
        I feel I voted for Trump and got Jeb Bush.

        • Replies: @snorlax
        Perhaps so, but voting for Jeb would get you Hillary, and voting for Hillary would get you Angela Davis.
      291. @bigdicknick
        Bloomberg literally released a press statement saying he will NOT be standing on a box at tonight's debate. Shades of elizabeth warren releasing her dna test. Drumpthf is like the ultimate middle school bully.

        Scott Adams has been urging the “hey Bloomberg asked for a box” prank. Its been pretty funny.

        “Who is paying for Bloomberg’s box”?

        THERE IS NO BOX!

        “Ok. Well what color is Bloomberg’s box”?

        THERE IS NO BOX!

        “Ok ok. Is there just one box or will he have a different one at each debate”?

        THERE IS NO BOX!

        “Will other short candidates such as Warren also get a box, or just Bloomberg”?

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
        https://ca-times.brightspotcdn.com/dims4/default/5d6c9e5/2147483647/strip/true/crop/4173x2782+0+133/resize/840x560!/quality/90/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcalifornia-times-brightspot.s3.amazonaws.com%2F0e%2F63%2F2b3922424005af431d8d21e65a09%2Fsbr021920-color.jpg
      292. i just went over to pokershares and bet the max on warren to win the nomination at 44:1. cuckoo.

        bloomberg is now in an impossible position. since we now know he doesn’t have “it” in suffiient measure to quickly consolidate support or broker a miracle deal at the convention, he has no viable path to the candidacy; but he can’t drop out without losing face and he can’t stay in without helping bernie sanders lock up the nomination by splitting support. what the hell can he do?

        i think bloomberg running as an independent is absolutely on the table.

      293. @Hail
        PredictIt betting market on who will be elected president in Nov. 2020, at end of debate:

        https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ERMLekSW4AIoFj_.jpg

        The sum of the "Latest Yes Price" is 117. Dividing by that number, we get implied probabilities to win:

        - Trump: 47%
        - Sanders: 26%
        - Bloomberg: 10% (down from 15% yesterday)
        - 16% split between Biden, Buttigieg, Klobuchar, Hillary, and Warren.
        - 1% All Others (=some kind of true dark-horse at the D convention other than Hillary).

        Where’s Pence?

        Trump’s 73, turning 74 in a few months. Social security actuarial tables have chance of death for a year at 3%. Granted Trump seems like he’s in good health and he’ll have 1st class response … but there’s also assisination or “i’m tired of this bullshit, screw it.”

        Pence should clock in at a couple percent. He’s got to be a better pick than Hillary. (Hillary? Seriously? Who are these people?)

        • Replies: @Hail
        Good points. Among the other fifteen people listed (whose presence reflect conditions when the betting began; almost all are, realistically speaking, at 0.0% now), we do find Mike Pence.

        As they are all at 1-cent buying prices, buying Pence 'stock' would make sense based on your reasoning. Not because he's likely to win but because 1-cent is plausibly a great deal.

        The other fifteen are:

        Cory Booker
        Kamala Harris
        John Kasich
        Mike Pence
        Kirsten Gillibrand
        Andrew Cuomo
        Mark Cuban
        Mark Zuckerberg
        Nikki Haley
        Paul Ryan
        Beto O'Rourke
        Sherrod Brown
        Andrew Yang
        Tulsi Gabbard
        Tom Steyer

        https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3698/Who-will-win-the-2020-US-presidential-election
      294. @AnotherDad
        Where's Pence?

        Trump's 73, turning 74 in a few months. Social security actuarial tables have chance of death for a year at 3%. Granted Trump seems like he's in good health and he'll have 1st class response ... but there's also assisination or "i'm tired of this bullshit, screw it."

        Pence should clock in at a couple percent. He's got to be a better pick than Hillary. (Hillary? Seriously? Who are these people?)

        Good points. Among the other fifteen people listed (whose presence reflect conditions when the betting began; almost all are, realistically speaking, at 0.0% now), we do find Mike Pence.

        As they are all at 1-cent buying prices, buying Pence ‘stock’ would make sense based on your reasoning. Not because he’s likely to win but because 1-cent is plausibly a great deal.

        The other fifteen are:

        [MORE]

        Cory Booker
        Kamala Harris
        John Kasich
        Mike Pence
        Kirsten Gillibrand
        Andrew Cuomo
        Mark Cuban
        Mark Zuckerberg
        Nikki Haley
        Paul Ryan
        Beto O’Rourke
        Sherrod Brown
        Andrew Yang
        Tulsi Gabbard
        Tom Steyer

        https://www.predictit.org/markets/detail/3698/Who-will-win-the-2020-US-presidential-election

      295. @William Badwhite
        Scott Adams has been urging the "hey Bloomberg asked for a box" prank. Its been pretty funny.

        "Who is paying for Bloomberg's box"?

        THERE IS NO BOX!

        "Ok. Well what color is Bloomberg's box"?

        THERE IS NO BOX!

        "Ok ok. Is there just one box or will he have a different one at each debate"?

        THERE IS NO BOX!

        "Will other short candidates such as Warren also get a box, or just Bloomberg"?

      296. NBC News on radio touted it as a battle between ButtiJeb and Bernie. Only mention of Bloomberg was a Trump pouncing.

      297. @SFG
        Eh, he blew it. You can't get away with making sexist jokes (at any time in the past) as a Dem nowadays.

        No, Clinton proved you can get away with murder. What you can’t get away with is Romney-style cowardice/being a quitter. We’ll see if Bloomberg can pull off the comeback kid act.

      298. @Hibernian

        Hablaron y hablaron porque en eso, son expertos.
         
        Why not simply "Hablaron porque en eso, son expertos?"

        Hablaron y hablaron porque en eso

        Why not simply “Hablaron porque en eso…”?

        It’s a line from “Funkytown”:

      299. @ScarletNumber
        2000 wasn't Al Gore's first time at the rodeo. Not only did he run in 1988, but he also won 7 states. Bill Bradley has never been dynamic, and he was forced to not run for reelection to the senate from New Jersey in 1996 because he almost lost to Christie Whitman in 1990. She was a nobody at the time.

        2000 wasn’t Al Gore’s first time at the rodeo. Not only did he run in 1988, but he also won 7 states.

        He also brought Willie Horton to national attention. Not Lee Atwater.

        Things have certainly calmed down since those days. Now a bigger issue is Tom Horton’s, who “bought” Burger King.

        • Replies: @ScarletNumber

        Now a bigger issue is Tom Horton’s, who “bought” Burger King.
         
        Tim Hortons ;)
      300. @Autochthon
        I've operated Bloomberg terminals. They are nifty, but you are significantly over-egging the pudding.

        And Oracle? Oracle?!

        If you work for a big enough company and it is not 1990, your important, large databases use out-of-the box software (like SAP), they are outsourced using cloud software (e.g.Amazon Web Services), or you build them with PostgreSQL

        https://youtu.be/i0TtGqcHmVQ

        Yeah, I don’t get the whole Bloomberg Terminal thing. It’s like if Wall Street were all still on Compuserve or something.

      301. @Hhsiii
        https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/02/19/protesters-interrupt-biden-at-democratic-debate-you-deported-3-million-people/amp/

        From the looks of that mob, too few were deported.

      302. @YetAnotherAnon
        I worked with a guy who had a 2.1 in Maths from a decent uni, but still failed to qualify as an actuary. There comes a point, he said, where not only can't you work out the answer, but you can't work out the question either.

        On the other hand he was a good lad and recognisable human being, whereas many (not all) actuaries are that tall nerdy kid at school. A lot of semi-Aspergery types.

        (Actuarial colleague (childless) when it's dress down for charity day)

        "I don't see the point of these charities taking the kids on adventure holidays or to Disneyland. After all, they're going to die anyway."

        If the "sexy sons" mating hypothesis is true, it certainly explains why the actuarial Christmas party is never a drunken orgy, more like sherry with the vicar.

        Actuaries are people who wanted to become accountants but didn’t have the necessary charisma.

        • Replies: @YetAnotherAnon
        I heard it was for people who found accountancy too exciting.

        Admittedly I was working outside London, but I never came across a Jewish (who'd have the maths chops) actuary. Chinese, South Asian, yes.

        In fact, quickly scanning the latest list of actuarial fellowships, only Georgios Avraam of Larnaca, Cyprus seems an outside possibility. Lots of Chinese and Jains.

        https://www.actuaries.org.uk/studying/exam-results/fellowship
      303. @Peterike
        “Women as individual targets for seduction simply do not appear on Bloomberg’s radar.”

        You fail to understand the Jewish mind.

        What you don’t understand about Jews could fill volumes.

        Here is a hint – unlike Weinstein, Bloomberg is not interested in sleeping with every female he meets. In fact he dislikes and insults many of them. Is he a closeted gay? I dunno but it wouldn’t be a huge shocker.

        • Replies: @Johann Ricke

        Here is a hint – unlike Weinstein, Bloomberg is not interested in sleeping with every female he meets. In fact he dislikes and insults many of them. Is he a closeted gay? I dunno but it wouldn’t be a huge shocker.
         
        I think there's a mistaken sense that men are either irrepressible skirt-chasers like Trump or gay. A guy like Bloomberg probably doesn't give a damn about sex with anyone - men or women. His preoccupation is with the next summit and it's got nothing to do with eros. He took the machinery of city government out for a spin, while mayor. Now he wants to take the machinery of the feddle government out for a spin,. The presidency is, after all, the Mount Everest of American politics.
      304. @Anonymous
        The early Subaru mechanicals were largely copied from the VW. They basically turned the engine and trans around. The big change was water cooling.

        The water cooled pushrod Subaru engine is about indestructible. Overhead cam models were a deprovement.

        They could never figure out how to make a head gasket that didn’t fail, even after decades of trying.

        • Replies: @anonn
        I've put 200k miles on my two WRXs and never had a head gasket problem. I've burned out three clutches, but it's too much fun to take every corner at 80mph.
      305. @Jack D
        What you don't understand about Jews could fill volumes.

        Here is a hint - unlike Weinstein, Bloomberg is not interested in sleeping with every female he meets. In fact he dislikes and insults many of them. Is he a closeted gay? I dunno but it wouldn't be a huge shocker.

        Here is a hint – unlike Weinstein, Bloomberg is not interested in sleeping with every female he meets. In fact he dislikes and insults many of them. Is he a closeted gay? I dunno but it wouldn’t be a huge shocker.

        I think there’s a mistaken sense that men are either irrepressible skirt-chasers like Trump or gay. A guy like Bloomberg probably doesn’t give a damn about sex with anyone – men or women. His preoccupation is with the next summit and it’s got nothing to do with eros. He took the machinery of city government out for a spin, while mayor. Now he wants to take the machinery of the feddle government out for a spin,. The presidency is, after all, the Mount Everest of American politics.

        • Agree: Desiderius
        • Replies: @Desiderius
        ButtiJeb is the same way. Chasten is a beard.
        , @Jack D
        And yet he is a sexual harrasser according to the Current Year definition. Apparently you have to like women just the right amount - not too little and not too much.
        , @black sea
        The trajectory of Bloomberg's sexual preoccupations probably conforms to that of most men.

        Horny, frustrated longing in his youth, accompanied by some degree of hostility toward women (you want something, and they have it, but maybe you can't get it), followed by some career and sexual success in early adulthood (along with a certain degree of -- let's hope only verbal -- sexual aggression) marriage, temptation, mid-life crisis (I believe there was a divorce in there somewhere), declining carnal interest, increasing emphasis on companionship, rather than sex per se, and relative indifference, to be followed by senescence and death.

        “At 60 the sexual preoccupation, when it hits you, seems sometimes sharper, as if it were an elderly malady, like gout.”
        — Edmund Wilson
      306. @Hail
        Bloomberg out with a good attack video using footage from debate:

        Combines Tweetman's use of social-media trolling in the 2015-16 cycle with a Larry David-like edge of humor. IOW, if Larry David had to produce an ad for Bloomberg, this would be it:

        https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1230515129877434368

        I’m not surprised.

        It’s a mistake to think that a guy who has made as much money as he has on Wall Street and spent three terms as the mayor of NYC is not media savvy.

        This is not PR at the level of Trump, but it is good. Bloomberg should do another clip that uses his comment about the fastest way to get Trump re-elected.

      307. @Johann Ricke

        Here is a hint – unlike Weinstein, Bloomberg is not interested in sleeping with every female he meets. In fact he dislikes and insults many of them. Is he a closeted gay? I dunno but it wouldn’t be a huge shocker.
         
        I think there's a mistaken sense that men are either irrepressible skirt-chasers like Trump or gay. A guy like Bloomberg probably doesn't give a damn about sex with anyone - men or women. His preoccupation is with the next summit and it's got nothing to do with eros. He took the machinery of city government out for a spin, while mayor. Now he wants to take the machinery of the feddle government out for a spin,. The presidency is, after all, the Mount Everest of American politics.

        ButtiJeb is the same way. Chasten is a beard.

        • LOL: Johann Ricke
      308. Bernie, Warren, and Bloomberg represent three visions of Progress. The long-deferred Comintern, brazenly mendacious IDPOL, and souless (and not coincidentally humorless) Technocracy respectively. ButtiJeb is the do-nothing nonjudgmental status quo, which is appropriate since judgment is the sine qua non/purpose of adulthood* and he has yet to hit puberty.

        Trump represents a return to a better past, which is tricky in a country whose core sense of itself is being at the vanguard of Progress. But as FDR noted, Progress itself requires experimentation and the vast majority of honest experiments (like honest start-ups) fail and require backtracking and starting over with the benefit of having learned what doesn’t work.

        The miasma of nonjudgmentalism in which we find ourselves has robbed us of our ability to do that.

        * – homosexuality at heart, as an identity, being about avoiding full maturity and the mortality which eventually follows thereon

      309. @Jack D

        He’s been bolstering Bloomberg,
         
        How? Can you point to any words or actions by Trump that do this?

        The fact that people Mike Cernovich and other independent-media types who are not-hostile to Trump are talking him up. I’m not accusing them of being paid for, only that Trump’s white house is mentioning Bloomberg a lot to them and letting them run with it.

        But if you’re going to play the “you have no stats or numbers or quotes, therefore its not true” angle, kindly exit stage right.

      310. These debates have convinced me that voting for a Democratic president means voting for an utterly repulsive attitude to represent the U.S. for the next 4 years.

        Why are liberals so fucking awkward and neurotic? Don’t they realize how unappealing that is to normal people?

        Pop a xanny FFS

        • Replies: @Jack D
        The Colitiion of the Fringes is all about grievance. These are a bunch of unhappy if not mentally ill people.
      311. @Ozymandias
        I really don't know why everyone looks down on Mayor Bloomberg.

        AntiSemite!

      312. @Ozymandias
        "Mayor Pete and his future First Anus Chasten really sat up when they heard that one!"

        Chasten is the husband. Petey is the wife.

        Maybe they take turns screwing each other, like the Democrats and Republicans take turns screwing the American people.

      313. @MBlanc46
        I love it that People of Color academics and journalists disagree with me vehemently.

        For what it’s worth, I think you seem to be a fine upstanding Person of Whiteness.

      314. @Hail
        Bloomberg out with a good attack video using footage from debate:

        Combines Tweetman's use of social-media trolling in the 2015-16 cycle with a Larry David-like edge of humor. IOW, if Larry David had to produce an ad for Bloomberg, this would be it:

        https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1230515129877434368

        Watch it a second time and listen to the soundtrack (sighs, gulps, tooth-gnashing, crinkling paper) that the producer laid in under the visuals. Pretty masterful.

        But—enjoyable as it is for readers of this blog, I’m not sure it makes a sale among people who will vote in the Dem primary.

      315. @Russ

        If it’s between Trump and Bloomberg then it’s: The most interesting man in the world versus boring Bloomberg, one billionaire who relates to the common man versus the billionaire who appears to be buying his way into the nomination, a master of persuasion versus the awkward short Jewish guy. The election won’t be close.
         
        What's more: Melania Trump is much easier on the eyes of perpetually put-upon white men than Diana Taylor (with apologies to the latter), and damned if the Donald doesn't know that too.

        Other than the blow to his ego, I don’t think Bloomberg and his fellow plutocrats will mind trumpstein winning re-election.

        As ultra-high “earners”, they have greatly profited from his tax policies. As employers who want their employees to have no bargaining power, they have profited from his mass-immigration policy.

        The 2018 income-tax bill, absurdly, cut the top rate, which applies today to a married couple’s combined taxable income above $622,000. That rate used to be 39.6% and started at a lower threshold, and now it’s 36%. Just keeping the top rate unchanged would have enabled Trump/Congress to drastically slash the fed income tax rates on middle and upper-middle incomes.

        Before Trump: https://taxfoundation.org/2017-tax-brackets
        After Trump: https://taxfoundation.org/2020-tax-brackets

        The trump cuts put massive dollars back into the pockets of Bloomberg and his fellow billionaires (Jeff Bezos and his ex-wife, Bill gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Warren Buffet, Rupert Murdoch, Shelly Adelson, et al.).

        The median household income in the USA was about $64,000 in 2019:
        https://dqydj.com/average-median-top-household-income-percentiles/

        Off the top of my head, then, bloomie and each of those scumbags saved more in federal income tax thanks to trump’s bill than 100,000 typical American families. And they can hire even more lower-paid Indians and Chinese to replace white American professionals. Then hire even more lower-paid Mexicans, Salvadorans, Guatemalans, etc., instead of Americans for lower-skilled service and manual-labor jobs.

        Yeah, that Trump really “relates to the regular guy.” Let’s stop being schmucks. Screw Trump and screw Sanders as he spews communist rhetoric while kicking back at his three houses.

        • Replies: @Desiderius
        Nah, SALT hit ‘em pretty hard. Lost the GOP the house.
      316. @Johann Ricke

        Here is a hint – unlike Weinstein, Bloomberg is not interested in sleeping with every female he meets. In fact he dislikes and insults many of them. Is he a closeted gay? I dunno but it wouldn’t be a huge shocker.
         
        I think there's a mistaken sense that men are either irrepressible skirt-chasers like Trump or gay. A guy like Bloomberg probably doesn't give a damn about sex with anyone - men or women. His preoccupation is with the next summit and it's got nothing to do with eros. He took the machinery of city government out for a spin, while mayor. Now he wants to take the machinery of the feddle government out for a spin,. The presidency is, after all, the Mount Everest of American politics.

        And yet he is a sexual harrasser according to the Current Year definition. Apparently you have to like women just the right amount – not too little and not too much.

        • LOL: Johann Ricke
      317. @Downstream from Culture
        These debates have convinced me that voting for a Democratic president means voting for an utterly repulsive attitude to represent the U.S. for the next 4 years.

        Why are liberals so fucking awkward and neurotic? Don't they realize how unappealing that is to normal people?

        Pop a xanny FFS

        The Colitiion of the Fringes is all about grievance. These are a bunch of unhappy if not mentally ill people.

        • Agree: Unladen Swallow
      318. @Reg Cæsar

        by the vile shrike Hillary
         
        Interesting avian term. And ironic.

        "Shrike" was the nickname Saab gave to one of their sedans the official name of which was Ninety-something. And Saab is the answer to the question, "Which division of General Motors wasn't bailed out by the government?"

        Because "The Swedish state is not prepared to own car factories." --Maud Olofsson, Enterprise Minister

        So much for "socialism", Bernie. Be sure to check out Jay Leno's Garage, where he tools around in his two-stroke.


        https://preview2.netcarshow.com/Saab-96-1967-1600-03.jpg

        If nought else, the 96 managed to ring ding ding its way to overall victories at the ’62 & 63 Monte Carlo Rallies…

      319. @Hail
        Beware of the source, an anomyous Japanese who claims to be part of the QAnon movement.

        They use the hashtag "#QArmyJapanFlynn." THe first three words I get, but what's with "Flynn"?

        Send the article to Godfree Roberts anyway and watch his little head explode.

      320. @Anonymous
        If we're gonna pull out archetypical analogies, the best representative facsimile of Trump was performed by Alec Baldwin.

        No, not as depicted on Saturday Night Live. It was in Glengarry Glen Ross.

        Trump isn’t a political candidate. Trump is a mentality, that is American as apple pie.

        And American's like apple pie. They know apple pie. It’s a winning pie.

        Hummus dip and pita bread is for losers.

        Apple pie is for winners, coffee is for closers, and that mentality is Donald Trump.

        And don’t you forget it.

        https://youtu.be/Q4PE2hSqVnk

        Looking back, Ross Perot was right in 1992.

      321. @Alec Leamas (hard at work)

        It’s hard to pin the sins of the managerial class on Bloomberg. It’s not like he was the president of GM and ran it and its jobs into the ground and moved the factories to Mexico and China. He personally has been a job creator and basically created a new industry, employing 20,000 high paid people, where none existed before.
         
        Didn't Bloomberg basically just publish a digital Racing Form for people who make money from money rather than money from horses?

        Perhaps it was a genius invention to weaponize information, but he's still making his money as a parasite of the larger industry of people who make money from money. I know that there are arguments in favor of the necessities of these markets for pricing stability, but at some level they're necessary evils rather than unalloyed goods.

        Augustus De Morgan summarized Bloomberg nicely in Siphonaptera

        “Great fleas have little fleas upon their backs to bite ’em,
        And little fleas have lesser fleas, and so ad infinitum.”

        Bloomberg is a greatly engorged lesser flea.

      322. @Lot
        First one I watched in full. Was pretty amusing. I was live-trolling a major Dem site. They were most triggered by “Warren is too scoldly like Hillary.” “Bernie’s having another heart attack” and “Bloomberg is a strong leader” were also winners.

        I really should find a better hobby, but this is the first I’ve done it since the post 2016 election period.

        Thank you for your service, sir.

      323. @RadicalCenter
        Other than the blow to his ego, I don’t think Bloomberg and his fellow plutocrats will mind trumpstein winning re-election.

        As ultra-high “earners”, they have greatly profited from his tax policies. As employers who want their employees to have no bargaining power, they have profited from his mass-immigration policy.

        The 2018 income-tax bill, absurdly, cut the top rate, which applies today to a married couple’s combined taxable income above $622,000. That rate used to be 39.6% and started at a lower threshold, and now it’s 36%. Just keeping the top rate unchanged would have enabled Trump/Congress to drastically slash the fed income tax rates on middle and upper-middle incomes.

        Before Trump: https://taxfoundation.org/2017-tax-brackets
        After Trump: https://taxfoundation.org/2020-tax-brackets

        The trump cuts put massive dollars back into the pockets of Bloomberg and his fellow billionaires (Jeff Bezos and his ex-wife, Bill gates, Mark Zuckerberg, Warren Buffet, Rupert Murdoch, Shelly Adelson, et al.).

        The median household income in the USA was about $64,000 in 2019:
        https://dqydj.com/average-median-top-household-income-percentiles/

        Off the top of my head, then, bloomie and each of those scumbags saved more in federal income tax thanks to trump’s bill than 100,000 typical American families. And they can hire even more lower-paid Indians and Chinese to replace white American professionals. Then hire even more lower-paid Mexicans, Salvadorans, Guatemalans, etc., instead of Americans for lower-skilled service and manual-labor jobs.

        Yeah, that Trump really “relates to the regular guy.” Let’s stop being schmucks. Screw Trump and screw Sanders as he spews communist rhetoric while kicking back at his three houses.

        Nah, SALT hit ‘em pretty hard. Lost the GOP the house.

      324. @Hail
        Bloomberg out with a good attack video using footage from debate:

        Combines Tweetman's use of social-media trolling in the 2015-16 cycle with a Larry David-like edge of humor. IOW, if Larry David had to produce an ad for Bloomberg, this would be it:

        https://twitter.com/MikeBloomberg/status/1230515129877434368

        Remaining passive and apologetic while getting verbally castrated on the debate stage, then getting off the stage and making snarky jokes at the expense of your tormentors, is a stark contrast to Trump’s debate style–make vicious, devastating counter-attacks on your opponents when they try to bushwhack you during debate, and then mock them afterwards. It’s the difference between looking like a loser trying to get revenge and a winner finishing off a wounded enemy.

        The Bloomberg method appeals to the passive-aggressive self-styled smart guys who haunt Internet comment sections (Vox Day’s “gammas”) , but Trump’s alpha attack mode appeals to most normal people. The majority of voters aren’t going to think “well, Bloomie got bashed into submission, but really won because he made a snarky video afterwards.

        • Replies: @Hail
        I'm not sure at all that most D Primary Voters who are current or potential Bloomberg voters, the people who matter in this case, took away from the debate anything like what the spin-doctors have been repeating for 24 hours, that "Bloomberg got bashed into submission" (as you put it).

        A lot of normal people are going to see him as the reasonable manager type and the characters like Warren as all-over-the-place, shrill, unserious people, flailing around with wild attacks.

        I think a good part of the "Bloomberg failed the debate" talk is a self-serving, in one sense: People who like drama and have a serious "politics news cycle" addiction, including notably those who get paid to do so, cable news types and others, the 538 team. There are plenty whose bread-and-butter is the 'horse race' and gossip related thereto. They help create reality because they like drama.

        Not quite as simple as "creating a narrative of 'a sudden turn against Bloomberg' sells newspapers" (or gets clicks, or whatever update to this expression for our era you'd prefer), but that's getting there.
      325. @Manfred Arcane
        Remaining passive and apologetic while getting verbally castrated on the debate stage, then getting off the stage and making snarky jokes at the expense of your tormentors, is a stark contrast to Trump's debate style--make vicious, devastating counter-attacks on your opponents when they try to bushwhack you during debate, and then mock them afterwards. It's the difference between looking like a loser trying to get revenge and a winner finishing off a wounded enemy.

        The Bloomberg method appeals to the passive-aggressive self-styled smart guys who haunt Internet comment sections (Vox Day's "gammas") , but Trump's alpha attack mode appeals to most normal people. The majority of voters aren't going to think "well, Bloomie got bashed into submission, but really won because he made a snarky video afterwards.

        I’m not sure at all that most D Primary Voters who are current or potential Bloomberg voters, the people who matter in this case, took away from the debate anything like what the spin-doctors have been repeating for 24 hours, that “Bloomberg got bashed into submission” (as you put it).

        A lot of normal people are going to see him as the reasonable manager type and the characters like Warren as all-over-the-place, shrill, unserious people, flailing around with wild attacks.

        I think a good part of the “Bloomberg failed the debate” talk is a self-serving, in one sense: People who like drama and have a serious “politics news cycle” addiction, including notably those who get paid to do so, cable news types and others, the 538 team. There are plenty whose bread-and-butter is the ‘horse race’ and gossip related thereto. They help create reality because they like drama.

        Not quite as simple as “creating a narrative of ‘a sudden turn against Bloomberg’ sells newspapers” (or gets clicks, or whatever update to this expression for our era you’d prefer), but that’s getting there.

        • Replies: @The Wild Geese Howard

        I think a good part of the “Bloomberg failed the debate” talk is a self-serving....
         
        I'm not sure Bloomberg failed as hard as everyone is claiming he did.

        Warren used the #MeToo nuke on Mike way too soon.

        It will be out of the headlines by this time next week. It won't have the same shock effect the next time it is used, and I'm sure that Bloomberg is already consulting his handlers with regard how he can further deflate this as an issue at the next debate.

        There were plenty of things they could have beaten him up about. Some they did, others they did not.

        None of the other candidates thought to shoot back that, "Mike, you're a grifter, not a businessman!" at any point. Or maybe they did think of that line, then thought, "Wait a minute, I too, am a grifter. I can't say that!"
      326. @Jack D
        They could never figure out how to make a head gasket that didn't fail, even after decades of trying.

        I’ve put 200k miles on my two WRXs and never had a head gasket problem. I’ve burned out three clutches, but it’s too much fun to take every corner at 80mph.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        The turbo engines come from the factory with a better head gasket. I guess they didn't use it on the non-turbo engines because it cost another 50 cents.
      327. anon[283] • Disclaimer says:

        Newspaper of Record liked it.

        Oh, was it glorious — the sheer raging hostility spraying across the stage as every campaign besides the Bernie Sanders and Michael Bloomberg bids faces the desperate possibility that each might fade into the woodwork against the Bernie surge and the Bloomberg billions.

        https://nypost.com/2020/02/19/nevada-democratic-debate-was-the-greatest-debate-in-human-history/

      328. @Hail
        I'm not sure at all that most D Primary Voters who are current or potential Bloomberg voters, the people who matter in this case, took away from the debate anything like what the spin-doctors have been repeating for 24 hours, that "Bloomberg got bashed into submission" (as you put it).

        A lot of normal people are going to see him as the reasonable manager type and the characters like Warren as all-over-the-place, shrill, unserious people, flailing around with wild attacks.

        I think a good part of the "Bloomberg failed the debate" talk is a self-serving, in one sense: People who like drama and have a serious "politics news cycle" addiction, including notably those who get paid to do so, cable news types and others, the 538 team. There are plenty whose bread-and-butter is the 'horse race' and gossip related thereto. They help create reality because they like drama.

        Not quite as simple as "creating a narrative of 'a sudden turn against Bloomberg' sells newspapers" (or gets clicks, or whatever update to this expression for our era you'd prefer), but that's getting there.

        I think a good part of the “Bloomberg failed the debate” talk is a self-serving….

        I’m not sure Bloomberg failed as hard as everyone is claiming he did.

        Warren used the #MeToo nuke on Mike way too soon.

        It will be out of the headlines by this time next week. It won’t have the same shock effect the next time it is used, and I’m sure that Bloomberg is already consulting his handlers with regard how he can further deflate this as an issue at the next debate.

        There were plenty of things they could have beaten him up about. Some they did, others they did not.

        None of the other candidates thought to shoot back that, “Mike, you’re a grifter, not a businessman!” at any point. Or maybe they did think of that line, then thought, “Wait a minute, I too, am a grifter. I can’t say that!”

        • Replies: @Pincher Martin

        I’m not sure Bloomberg failed as hard as everyone is claiming he did.

        Warren used the #MeToo nuke on Mike way too soon.
         
        Nobody fails in one debate. But Bloomberg tried. Boy, did he try.
      329. @Old Prude
        My Brooklyn-born wife can't stand the sight of Bloomberg, and she has no ideological bones against him... She just finds him repellent. Even more so than she finds me - another short, old husk with a smart mouth.

        My Brooklyn-born wife can’t stand the sight of Bloomberg, and she has no ideological bones against him… She just finds him repellent.

        Every time my wife sees Bloomberg, she comments on how he “looks like the Devil“.

      330. @Lot
        “ high level IO”

        Input output? Jupiter’s moon?

        Yes, the long term Hasbara pretending that he doesn’t know what “Information Operations” are is certainly LOL.

        • Replies: @Lot
        I took a leave of absence from the Hasbara to join Mike Will Get It Done. Pay is better, and I like his workplace policy against horse-faced lesbians.

        https://media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/1024px-Money_Cash.jpg
      331. @Jack Henson
        Yes, the long term Hasbara pretending that he doesn't know what "Information Operations" are is certainly LOL.

        I took a leave of absence from the Hasbara to join Mike Will Get It Done. Pay is better, and I like his workplace policy against horse-faced lesbians.

        • LOL: YetAnotherAnon
      332. @Johann Ricke

        Here is a hint – unlike Weinstein, Bloomberg is not interested in sleeping with every female he meets. In fact he dislikes and insults many of them. Is he a closeted gay? I dunno but it wouldn’t be a huge shocker.
         
        I think there's a mistaken sense that men are either irrepressible skirt-chasers like Trump or gay. A guy like Bloomberg probably doesn't give a damn about sex with anyone - men or women. His preoccupation is with the next summit and it's got nothing to do with eros. He took the machinery of city government out for a spin, while mayor. Now he wants to take the machinery of the feddle government out for a spin,. The presidency is, after all, the Mount Everest of American politics.

        The trajectory of Bloomberg’s sexual preoccupations probably conforms to that of most men.

        Horny, frustrated longing in his youth, accompanied by some degree of hostility toward women (you want something, and they have it, but maybe you can’t get it), followed by some career and sexual success in early adulthood (along with a certain degree of — let’s hope only verbal — sexual aggression) marriage, temptation, mid-life crisis (I believe there was a divorce in there somewhere), declining carnal interest, increasing emphasis on companionship, rather than sex per se, and relative indifference, to be followed by senescence and death.

        “At 60 the sexual preoccupation, when it hits you, seems sometimes sharper, as if it were an elderly malady, like gout.”
        — Edmund Wilson

        • Replies: @Johann Ricke

        The trajectory of Bloomberg’s sexual preoccupations probably conforms to that of most men.
         
        Bloomberg's not like most men, and that's putting it mildly. He's obviously a brainiac, but that's not what thrust him to become one of the single digit richest men on the planet. It's single-mindedness. When other men were chasing skirt, he was chasing profits. You don't dethrone the century-old incumbent in your line of business that you created from scratch by doing anything other than eating, breathing and living that business.

        That's why his daughters are trust fund wastrels whose productive efforts pale relative to that of even the humblest illegal alien sweatshop worker in Manhattan. He is likely an absentee father.
      333. @The Wild Geese Howard

        I think a good part of the “Bloomberg failed the debate” talk is a self-serving....
         
        I'm not sure Bloomberg failed as hard as everyone is claiming he did.

        Warren used the #MeToo nuke on Mike way too soon.

        It will be out of the headlines by this time next week. It won't have the same shock effect the next time it is used, and I'm sure that Bloomberg is already consulting his handlers with regard how he can further deflate this as an issue at the next debate.

        There were plenty of things they could have beaten him up about. Some they did, others they did not.

        None of the other candidates thought to shoot back that, "Mike, you're a grifter, not a businessman!" at any point. Or maybe they did think of that line, then thought, "Wait a minute, I too, am a grifter. I can't say that!"

        I’m not sure Bloomberg failed as hard as everyone is claiming he did.

        Warren used the #MeToo nuke on Mike way too soon.

        Nobody fails in one debate. But Bloomberg tried. Boy, did he try.

        • Replies: @Jack D

        Warren used the #MeToo nuke on Mike way too soon.
         
        It doesn't even stand up to scrutiny. The line about a "horse faced lesbian" was not uttered directly to a woman. Apparently there was some kind of joke book that his employees put together in 1990 of things that Bloomberg had supposedly said - "The Sayings of Chairman Mike" and in it, he referred to a member of the British royal family (not clear which one - Princess Anne? Camilla?) as a horse faced lesbian. Warren made it sound like it was part of the lawsuits that were settled but it had nothing to do with that. I think it caught Bloomberg off guard because he had no recollection of every calling anyone a horse faced lesbian. But he knew that Warren must have had some source so he couldn't just deny it - it would look even worse later on when it turned out to have some basis.
      334. @peterike

        Trump will not enjoy the Bugs Bunny advantage this time around,

         
        Why not? Trump is still the outsider, still the free-thinker crashing up against the system. Granted, he has managed only to tweak the system at the margins and hasn't blown it to bits as many of us hoped. Hell, he hasn't even put a single of the conspirators against him into jail (while people on his side were routinely jailed for abjectly fake process crimes).

        Trump's problem isn't the tweeting and "tantrums" -- those are his greatest strength. That's Trump constantly letting the world know how corrupt the system really is, including the media. Trump doesn't even really have tantrums, he just gets pissed -- the media has tantrums in response and paints Trump in their own colors.

        Trump's real problem is that he's weak. Time and again he defers to process and following the rules, rather than just doing what the hell he wants, like Obama did. By now Trump should have told a dozen nobody judges to get soaked and openly defied their rulings. But no, it's always follow-the-rules with Trump, and for this he gets painted by the media as an unhinged dictator. He can't even get his own Justice Department to prosecute people for 100% known lies to the FBI, Congress, etc. Weak.

        Debates will be interesting though, since the stupidest knock on Trump is that he's "not that intelligent." He's about ten times as intelligent as any President since, I dunno, Coolidge probably. The Democrats have a field of dunces, other than Bloomberg. But Bloomberg will be constrained by having to play to the Left. It's all going to be very interesting, but my guess is vote fraud will insure Trump loses in just enough states to lose re-election. Combating vote fraud is another area where he's been weak. By now he should have completely blown-up the fraud and vote harvesters. Hundreds of people should be in jail, if not thousands. Nothing has happened.

        The thing is that there are no rules for Democrats, whereas when a Republican gets fed up and decides to start doing what the hell he wants (Nixon with Watergate, Reagan with Iran/Contra, even to an extent Trump with Ukraine/Biden) the permanent bureaucracy is always there to make sure it blows up in his face.

      335. @Anon
        Voted for Trump. Liked his stand on issues that really resonated with me. Tax cut was not one but got some money back. Don't trust him on guns: take first ask questions later. Totally opposed to increased immigration whether legal skilled, unskilled, family reunification to say nothing of illegal.
        I feel I voted for Trump and got Jeb Bush.

        Perhaps so, but voting for Jeb would get you Hillary, and voting for Hillary would get you Angela Davis.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        If voting for Hillary would get you Angela Davis, what does voting for Bernie get you? Hugo Chavez?
      336. @Jack D
        Actuaries are people who wanted to become accountants but didn't have the necessary charisma.

        I heard it was for people who found accountancy too exciting.

        Admittedly I was working outside London, but I never came across a Jewish (who’d have the maths chops) actuary. Chinese, South Asian, yes.

        In fact, quickly scanning the latest list of actuarial fellowships, only Georgios Avraam of Larnaca, Cyprus seems an outside possibility. Lots of Chinese and Jains.

        https://www.actuaries.org.uk/studying/exam-results/fellowship

      337. @Reg Cæsar

        2000 wasn’t Al Gore’s first time at the rodeo. Not only did he run in 1988, but he also won 7 states.
         
        He also brought Willie Horton to national attention. Not Lee Atwater.

        Things have certainly calmed down since those days. Now a bigger issue is Tom Horton's, who "bought" Burger King.

        Now a bigger issue is Tom Horton’s, who “bought” Burger King.

        Tim Hortons 😉

      338. @anonn
        I've put 200k miles on my two WRXs and never had a head gasket problem. I've burned out three clutches, but it's too much fun to take every corner at 80mph.

        The turbo engines come from the factory with a better head gasket. I guess they didn’t use it on the non-turbo engines because it cost another 50 cents.

      339. @snorlax
        Perhaps so, but voting for Jeb would get you Hillary, and voting for Hillary would get you Angela Davis.

        If voting for Hillary would get you Angela Davis, what does voting for Bernie get you? Hugo Chavez?

        • Replies: @snorlax
        The same thing. With the Democrats even more than the Republicans, you vote for the party, not the person.
        , @Desiderius
        Bloomberg or ButtiJeb, looking like.
      340. @Pincher Martin

        I’m not sure Bloomberg failed as hard as everyone is claiming he did.

        Warren used the #MeToo nuke on Mike way too soon.
         
        Nobody fails in one debate. But Bloomberg tried. Boy, did he try.

        Warren used the #MeToo nuke on Mike way too soon.

        It doesn’t even stand up to scrutiny. The line about a “horse faced lesbian” was not uttered directly to a woman. Apparently there was some kind of joke book that his employees put together in 1990 of things that Bloomberg had supposedly said – “The Sayings of Chairman Mike” and in it, he referred to a member of the British royal family (not clear which one – Princess Anne? Camilla?) as a horse faced lesbian. Warren made it sound like it was part of the lawsuits that were settled but it had nothing to do with that. I think it caught Bloomberg off guard because he had no recollection of every calling anyone a horse faced lesbian. But he knew that Warren must have had some source so he couldn’t just deny it – it would look even worse later on when it turned out to have some basis.

        • Agree: Johann Ricke
        • Replies: @Pincher Martin

        It doesn’t even stand up to scrutiny.
         
        Debates are not about scrutiny. They are about getting off effective one-liners and short set speeches. No one scrutinized whether Lloyd Bentsen's comment in 1988 about Dan Quayle and John Kennedy was fair or accurate. They just said "Ouch!"

        Warren gave Bloomberg two "Ouch!" moments on Wednesday night. As Pat Buchanan said, the New York mayor finally learned what it was like to be thrown up against the wall and frisked.

        I think it caught Bloomberg off guard because he had no recollection of every calling anyone a horse faced lesbian. But he knew that Warren must have had some source so he couldn’t just deny it – it would look even worse later on when it turned out to have some basis.
         
        None of this is even slightly interesting or relevant. The details don't matter. What matters is that Warren verbally raped Bloomberg on live TV and he had as much of a reaction as a dead fish being gutted.
      341. @black sea
        The trajectory of Bloomberg's sexual preoccupations probably conforms to that of most men.

        Horny, frustrated longing in his youth, accompanied by some degree of hostility toward women (you want something, and they have it, but maybe you can't get it), followed by some career and sexual success in early adulthood (along with a certain degree of -- let's hope only verbal -- sexual aggression) marriage, temptation, mid-life crisis (I believe there was a divorce in there somewhere), declining carnal interest, increasing emphasis on companionship, rather than sex per se, and relative indifference, to be followed by senescence and death.

        “At 60 the sexual preoccupation, when it hits you, seems sometimes sharper, as if it were an elderly malady, like gout.”
        — Edmund Wilson

        The trajectory of Bloomberg’s sexual preoccupations probably conforms to that of most men.

        Bloomberg’s not like most men, and that’s putting it mildly. He’s obviously a brainiac, but that’s not what thrust him to become one of the single digit richest men on the planet. It’s single-mindedness. When other men were chasing skirt, he was chasing profits. You don’t dethrone the century-old incumbent in your line of business that you created from scratch by doing anything other than eating, breathing and living that business.

        That’s why his daughters are trust fund wastrels whose productive efforts pale relative to that of even the humblest illegal alien sweatshop worker in Manhattan. He is likely an absentee father.

      342. That anyone could conceivably cast Michael Bloomberg as anybody but Elmer Fudd betrays their complete tone-deafness to Looney Toons Logic.

        Right about now, a better animated analogy would be Bloomie as Pete Puma, still seeing stars from his last encounter with an anvil dropped on his head, holding a teacup and saucer and responding to Bugs Trump’s “one lump or two?” query with an emphatic “ohhh, I like a whooole lotta lumps!”

        If you say so, Doc….

      343. @Jack D

        Warren used the #MeToo nuke on Mike way too soon.
         
        It doesn't even stand up to scrutiny. The line about a "horse faced lesbian" was not uttered directly to a woman. Apparently there was some kind of joke book that his employees put together in 1990 of things that Bloomberg had supposedly said - "The Sayings of Chairman Mike" and in it, he referred to a member of the British royal family (not clear which one - Princess Anne? Camilla?) as a horse faced lesbian. Warren made it sound like it was part of the lawsuits that were settled but it had nothing to do with that. I think it caught Bloomberg off guard because he had no recollection of every calling anyone a horse faced lesbian. But he knew that Warren must have had some source so he couldn't just deny it - it would look even worse later on when it turned out to have some basis.

        It doesn’t even stand up to scrutiny.

        Debates are not about scrutiny. They are about getting off effective one-liners and short set speeches. No one scrutinized whether Lloyd Bentsen’s comment in 1988 about Dan Quayle and John Kennedy was fair or accurate. They just said “Ouch!”

        Warren gave Bloomberg two “Ouch!” moments on Wednesday night. As Pat Buchanan said, the New York mayor finally learned what it was like to be thrown up against the wall and frisked.

        I think it caught Bloomberg off guard because he had no recollection of every calling anyone a horse faced lesbian. But he knew that Warren must have had some source so he couldn’t just deny it – it would look even worse later on when it turned out to have some basis.

        None of this is even slightly interesting or relevant. The details don’t matter. What matters is that Warren verbally raped Bloomberg on live TV and he had as much of a reaction as a dead fish being gutted.

        • Replies: @Johann Ricke

        Debates are not about scrutiny. They are about getting off effective one-liners and short set speeches. No one scrutinized whether Lloyd Bentsen’s comment in 1988 about Dan Quayle and John Kennedy was fair or accurate. They just said “Ouch!”
         
        The difference between Bloomberg and Bush the Elder is that Bloomberg has enough money to drown out the media. Bush didn’t. News programs are once or twice a day items. Bloomberg ads, including the rags-to-riches biography ad recorded by Michael Douglas, are once every hour.

        Debates are a genteel version of pro-wrestling banter, but substantially the same. Bloomberg’s 3 NYC mayoral election victories show that a combo of ads to counter media support for his opponents and a large-scale lavishly-funded GOTV effort can defeat the liberal media complex. Ultimately, voters aren’t interested in pro-wrestling narratives. They want to know that (1) their lives will get better (or at least not get worse) if the candidate delivers on his promises, (2) they can trust the candidate to attempt what he promised and (3) the candidate is a competent person able to deliver on his promises.

        What Bloomberg is likely to demonstrate this election cycle is that with enough money, you can obviate the ability of the liberal media complex to derail your political campaign. But the scale of the money needed, in addition to the all-consuming managerial talent, effort and skill required of the candidate, means that in future, few tycoons are likely to attempt it.
        , @Jack D
        What should he have said or done (that wouldn't backfire even more)?
        , @Manfred Arcane
        100% correct. This is basically an example of the rhetoric/dialectic distinction that so many Internet-comment-section habitues seem to have trouble with. No amount of "Well, but actually they were inaccurate," talk after the fact can erase the simple visceral impact of watching someone get yelled at without fighting back, in the minds of ordinary people.
        , @HammerJack
        Anyone who saw the expression on Bloomberg's face as he was being pilloried will have no trouble believing the story: it was a complete disaster. He looked like he wanted to say "I'm worth $60 Billion! You can't talk to me that way!"
      344. If this thread is still alive, I’d like to comment on Bloomberg’s strategy. I’ll even be polite and use a More tag. My teaser, everyone, especially Bloomberg, drew exactly the wrong lessons from Trump.

        [MORE]

        The Democratic primary candidates saw Trump come from nowhere, dead last, with next to no endorsements, and a shoestring budget, no political experience, with views diametrically opposed by everyone in Washington, especially “his own party” etc. and win. They then drew all the wrong lessons.

        First, the Dems decided he didn’t really win, he only won because the Russians spent tens of dollars on Facebook ads. No, he won by opposing the Uniparty that has presided over deindustrializatiom and an alien invasion.

        First, all the bozo candidates thought ‘I’m a bozo with no support, so maybe I can be win my primary.’ The. The presidency, So they sought endorsements, even though Trump used his lack of endorsements as yet more evidence that he wasn’t part of the problem. you know who got the endorsements and donors locked down? Jeb.

        They supported everything all the other candidates supported, even though Trump fished far away from the other boats. They supported tand support everything everything all the other candidates support. Remember when Trump contrasted himself with all the seventeen dwarfs at the debates? They did not notice. When debate moderators ask for a show off hands question about providing free health care for anyone who could sneak in or commit visa fraud? By golly they all raised their hands! They all emphasized the same thing everyone else emphasized, their electability. Did Trump say ’vote for me, because I’m electable. He said, love me or hate me, I’m the only one who can fix it. I’m the only one who even wants to try.

        Bloomberg, saw a billionaire win, and said ‘is he even really billionaire? He couldn’t even buy the primary, I have so many more billions, I can buy mine.’Problem is candidates are for sale. Politicians are for sale. Parties are for sale. Trump won his primary on a shoestring by appealing to voters. Not through ads, but by appealing to voters. Hilary massively outspent him. He won by being the only candidate in decades who tried to appeal to a huge population that no politician even tried to appeal to. And what did it get him? Cockblocked at every pass, because he had no political allies in his own party. Trump is not a systems thinker, and he couldn’t afford to set up a funding operation to compete with Conservative, Inc, anyway. Bloomberg is.

        Why did he not start planning the day Trump won? Did he think Trump was going to be a fantastic President? Buy some politicians. Donate to someone’s first primary campaign for the House, she’ll remember you fondly the rest of he political career. She’ll always take your calls For 400 million, Bloomberg could give 4,000 House candidates 100,000 dollars each. But there are only 435 House Seats. 100k is a lot to spend on a primary challenge, anyway. So maybe 200 at 10k, leaving 380 million for general elections, governors, and Senators.

        Do what Trump did, and find some voters. Since most states are locked down for each party, buy battleground states. How about the Rust Belt? Does Bloomberg think Trumps been great for them? His organization doesn’t depend on cheap labor, and Wall Street doesn’t either. Whatever happens, Wall Steeet’s going to trade and buy financial news. Bloomberg’s employees are high wage anyway, so support ‘smart unionization’ and So his big thing could be restoring manufacturing and labor management cooperation. He’s going to give it all away, anyway. So he says.

        Finally, buying all the political talent? That hurts Democrats, but maybe he can farm them out for general election? But candidates will not appreciate that like they’d appreciate donations.

        If Bloomberg is really trying to stop donors from giving in the primary, that is so dumb. First, the candidates spend more money getting small donations than they get in them. Everyone but Sanders. He will be last man standing, and in a two man race, a lot off people will decide that Sanders is the better choice. As Sanders looks more viable, he will pick up non-voters, if Bloomberg goes less woke, Sanders can match him. As Bernie looks more like a winner, his campaign staff will see that economics is the way to go, not winning the 1/1000 trans voters.

        So this is my effort post. Thanks for clicking ‘More’

        • Replies: @Jack D
        If anything, the most Trump-like candidate on the Democrat side is Sanders (and he has the election results to show for it). Trump's "make America great again" was never going to work because greatness is like lightning in a bottle - you can't recapture the Right Stuff once it is gone. But Sanders's "Socialism or Death" plan is a million times worse.

        As I have often mentioned, prescribing a good cure is many times harder than making an accurate diagnosis (but even a diagnosis is hard if you are in denial). At least Trump (and Sanders) recognize that America went seriously off track at some point. The average working stiff today is never going to have what his father or grandfather had - a real job that pays enough to make payments on a mortgage, a pension, etc. Trump's ideas are never going to put Humpty Dumpty back together again 100% but at least they are aimed in the right direction whereas Sanders wants to take the train that is already derailed and drive it off a cliff.
      345. @Pincher Martin

        It doesn’t even stand up to scrutiny.
         
        Debates are not about scrutiny. They are about getting off effective one-liners and short set speeches. No one scrutinized whether Lloyd Bentsen's comment in 1988 about Dan Quayle and John Kennedy was fair or accurate. They just said "Ouch!"

        Warren gave Bloomberg two "Ouch!" moments on Wednesday night. As Pat Buchanan said, the New York mayor finally learned what it was like to be thrown up against the wall and frisked.

        I think it caught Bloomberg off guard because he had no recollection of every calling anyone a horse faced lesbian. But he knew that Warren must have had some source so he couldn’t just deny it – it would look even worse later on when it turned out to have some basis.
         
        None of this is even slightly interesting or relevant. The details don't matter. What matters is that Warren verbally raped Bloomberg on live TV and he had as much of a reaction as a dead fish being gutted.

        Debates are not about scrutiny. They are about getting off effective one-liners and short set speeches. No one scrutinized whether Lloyd Bentsen’s comment in 1988 about Dan Quayle and John Kennedy was fair or accurate. They just said “Ouch!”

        The difference between Bloomberg and Bush the Elder is that Bloomberg has enough money to drown out the media. Bush didn’t. News programs are once or twice a day items. Bloomberg ads, including the rags-to-riches biography ad recorded by Michael Douglas, are once every hour.

        Debates are a genteel version of pro-wrestling banter, but substantially the same. Bloomberg’s 3 NYC mayoral election victories show that a combo of ads to counter media support for his opponents and a large-scale lavishly-funded GOTV effort can defeat the liberal media complex. Ultimately, voters aren’t interested in pro-wrestling narratives. They want to know that (1) their lives will get better (or at least not get worse) if the candidate delivers on his promises, (2) they can trust the candidate to attempt what he promised and (3) the candidate is a competent person able to deliver on his promises.

        What Bloomberg is likely to demonstrate this election cycle is that with enough money, you can obviate the ability of the liberal media complex to derail your political campaign. But the scale of the money needed, in addition to the all-consuming managerial talent, effort and skill required of the candidate, means that in future, few tycoons are likely to attempt it.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        I largely agree with your premise, but it wasn't the liberal media complex that destroyed Bloomberg during the debate - it was his fellow Dem. candidates, esp. Warren.

        I really don't understand what she had to gain by doing this. She's not going to be the nominee anyway. She's not even going to be the VP - even Sanders will have to balance his ticket a little more than that. She really did a terrific favor to Sanders, who without Bloomberg on the stage would have been the natural target. As Bloomberg keeps pointing out, unless someone stops Sanders soon he's going to rack up an insurmountable lead.
        , @Pincher Martin

        The difference between Bloomberg and Bush the Elder is that Bloomberg has enough money to drown out the media. Bush didn’t. News programs are once or twice a day items. Bloomberg ads, including the rags-to-riches biography ad recorded by Michael Douglas, are once every hour.
         
        Bloomberg's money couldn't drown it out on Wednesday night. Nor could it drown it out on Thursday morning.

        Nor will it erase the impression it made on the 20 million people who watched the debate. What they saw is that while Bloomberg is rich, he's also an unattractive stiff.

        Bloomberg has already spent over $40o million in digital and traditional political ads. To put that number in perspective, Trump spent just over $600 million to win the presidency (and Hillary spent $1.1 billion to lose it).

        What has Bloomberg's money bought him so far? Not one delegate and only third place in national polls in a weak field. Meanwhile, his best state poll (Florida) doesn't hold its primary until the end of March.

        What Bloomberg is likely to demonstrate this election cycle is that with enough money, you can obviate the ability of the liberal media complex to derail your political campaign.
         
        It wasn't the liberal media that screwed Bloomberg. It was Bloomberg himself. Even if you don't understand this, the candidate and his staff certainly understand it and are right now working to undo the damage it did.
      346. @Pincher Martin

        It doesn’t even stand up to scrutiny.
         
        Debates are not about scrutiny. They are about getting off effective one-liners and short set speeches. No one scrutinized whether Lloyd Bentsen's comment in 1988 about Dan Quayle and John Kennedy was fair or accurate. They just said "Ouch!"

        Warren gave Bloomberg two "Ouch!" moments on Wednesday night. As Pat Buchanan said, the New York mayor finally learned what it was like to be thrown up against the wall and frisked.

        I think it caught Bloomberg off guard because he had no recollection of every calling anyone a horse faced lesbian. But he knew that Warren must have had some source so he couldn’t just deny it – it would look even worse later on when it turned out to have some basis.
         
        None of this is even slightly interesting or relevant. The details don't matter. What matters is that Warren verbally raped Bloomberg on live TV and he had as much of a reaction as a dead fish being gutted.

        What should he have said or done (that wouldn’t backfire even more)?

        • Replies: @Pincher Martin
        Fight back. Deny her charges. Fire away with some vehemence at her dishonesty.

        That's just standard campaigning. I'm not sure why anyone would having trouble understanding this.

        He made a terrible mistake. His debate performance hurt him. And he knows it.

        Bloomberg's position was not strong to begin with. He spent over $400 million to get to third place in the national polls, but he has no delegates and no natural constituency within the Democratic Party. There are no states or regions in which he is particularly strong or can rely. His support will leave him in an instant if he shows he's not up to it.
      347. @Pincher Martin

        It doesn’t even stand up to scrutiny.
         
        Debates are not about scrutiny. They are about getting off effective one-liners and short set speeches. No one scrutinized whether Lloyd Bentsen's comment in 1988 about Dan Quayle and John Kennedy was fair or accurate. They just said "Ouch!"

        Warren gave Bloomberg two "Ouch!" moments on Wednesday night. As Pat Buchanan said, the New York mayor finally learned what it was like to be thrown up against the wall and frisked.

        I think it caught Bloomberg off guard because he had no recollection of every calling anyone a horse faced lesbian. But he knew that Warren must have had some source so he couldn’t just deny it – it would look even worse later on when it turned out to have some basis.
         
        None of this is even slightly interesting or relevant. The details don't matter. What matters is that Warren verbally raped Bloomberg on live TV and he had as much of a reaction as a dead fish being gutted.

        100% correct. This is basically an example of the rhetoric/dialectic distinction that so many Internet-comment-section habitues seem to have trouble with. No amount of “Well, but actually they were inaccurate,” talk after the fact can erase the simple visceral impact of watching someone get yelled at without fighting back, in the minds of ordinary people.

        • Replies: @Pincher Martin
        Yep. The visual of Warren towering over Bloomberg as she scolded him about calling women nasty names and demanded that he release them from their NDAs will be hard to erase.
      348. @Johann Ricke

        Debates are not about scrutiny. They are about getting off effective one-liners and short set speeches. No one scrutinized whether Lloyd Bentsen’s comment in 1988 about Dan Quayle and John Kennedy was fair or accurate. They just said “Ouch!”
         
        The difference between Bloomberg and Bush the Elder is that Bloomberg has enough money to drown out the media. Bush didn’t. News programs are once or twice a day items. Bloomberg ads, including the rags-to-riches biography ad recorded by Michael Douglas, are once every hour.

        Debates are a genteel version of pro-wrestling banter, but substantially the same. Bloomberg’s 3 NYC mayoral election victories show that a combo of ads to counter media support for his opponents and a large-scale lavishly-funded GOTV effort can defeat the liberal media complex. Ultimately, voters aren’t interested in pro-wrestling narratives. They want to know that (1) their lives will get better (or at least not get worse) if the candidate delivers on his promises, (2) they can trust the candidate to attempt what he promised and (3) the candidate is a competent person able to deliver on his promises.

        What Bloomberg is likely to demonstrate this election cycle is that with enough money, you can obviate the ability of the liberal media complex to derail your political campaign. But the scale of the money needed, in addition to the all-consuming managerial talent, effort and skill required of the candidate, means that in future, few tycoons are likely to attempt it.

        I largely agree with your premise, but it wasn’t the liberal media complex that destroyed Bloomberg during the debate – it was his fellow Dem. candidates, esp. Warren.

        I really don’t understand what she had to gain by doing this. She’s not going to be the nominee anyway. She’s not even going to be the VP – even Sanders will have to balance his ticket a little more than that. She really did a terrific favor to Sanders, who without Bloomberg on the stage would have been the natural target. As Bloomberg keeps pointing out, unless someone stops Sanders soon he’s going to rack up an insurmountable lead.

      349. @Mr McKenna
        You've defended Bloomberg against every single criticism here, and generally quite ably. He should hire you! Curious though: is there anything--no matter how small--that you don't like about the guy?

        I think he has had to move considerably to the Left in order to stand a chance in today’s woke Democrat party. And apologizing never works – when the sharks see that they have drawn blood they just go in for the kill.

      350. @Johann Ricke

        Debates are not about scrutiny. They are about getting off effective one-liners and short set speeches. No one scrutinized whether Lloyd Bentsen’s comment in 1988 about Dan Quayle and John Kennedy was fair or accurate. They just said “Ouch!”
         
        The difference between Bloomberg and Bush the Elder is that Bloomberg has enough money to drown out the media. Bush didn’t. News programs are once or twice a day items. Bloomberg ads, including the rags-to-riches biography ad recorded by Michael Douglas, are once every hour.

        Debates are a genteel version of pro-wrestling banter, but substantially the same. Bloomberg’s 3 NYC mayoral election victories show that a combo of ads to counter media support for his opponents and a large-scale lavishly-funded GOTV effort can defeat the liberal media complex. Ultimately, voters aren’t interested in pro-wrestling narratives. They want to know that (1) their lives will get better (or at least not get worse) if the candidate delivers on his promises, (2) they can trust the candidate to attempt what he promised and (3) the candidate is a competent person able to deliver on his promises.

        What Bloomberg is likely to demonstrate this election cycle is that with enough money, you can obviate the ability of the liberal media complex to derail your political campaign. But the scale of the money needed, in addition to the all-consuming managerial talent, effort and skill required of the candidate, means that in future, few tycoons are likely to attempt it.

        The difference between Bloomberg and Bush the Elder is that Bloomberg has enough money to drown out the media. Bush didn’t. News programs are once or twice a day items. Bloomberg ads, including the rags-to-riches biography ad recorded by Michael Douglas, are once every hour.

        Bloomberg’s money couldn’t drown it out on Wednesday night. Nor could it drown it out on Thursday morning.

        Nor will it erase the impression it made on the 20 million people who watched the debate. What they saw is that while Bloomberg is rich, he’s also an unattractive stiff.

        Bloomberg has already spent over $40o million in digital and traditional political ads. To put that number in perspective, Trump spent just over $600 million to win the presidency (and Hillary spent $1.1 billion to lose it).

        What has Bloomberg’s money bought him so far? Not one delegate and only third place in national polls in a weak field. Meanwhile, his best state poll (Florida) doesn’t hold its primary until the end of March.

        What Bloomberg is likely to demonstrate this election cycle is that with enough money, you can obviate the ability of the liberal media complex to derail your political campaign.

        It wasn’t the liberal media that screwed Bloomberg. It was Bloomberg himself. Even if you don’t understand this, the candidate and his staff certainly understand it and are right now working to undo the damage it did.

        • Replies: @Johann Ricke

        It wasn’t the liberal media that screwed Bloomberg. It was Bloomberg himself. Even if you don’t understand this, the candidate and his staff certainly understand it and are right now working to undo the damage it did.
         
        You've mistaken an instant with the impact of pro-wrestling banter with a Sermon on the Mount moment. There were many moments like this during Bloomberg's mayoral runs. The liberal media will make this out to be earth-shaking and editorialize about it endlessly during their once or twice daily news broadcasts. Bloomberg will counter with ads and political endorsements to drown them out.

        At any rate, we will find out in the days and weeks ahead if what worked for Bloomberg in NYC will work for him in a presidential year with 20x the money spent, and a very late entry. Note that his nightmare isn't a Trump victory - it's a Sanders victory that takes from him in a single year, from wealth and other taxes, what his entire campaign expenditure ends up being for the entire 2020 presidential cycle.
      351. @Jack D
        What should he have said or done (that wouldn't backfire even more)?

        Fight back. Deny her charges. Fire away with some vehemence at her dishonesty.

        That’s just standard campaigning. I’m not sure why anyone would having trouble understanding this.

        He made a terrible mistake. His debate performance hurt him. And he knows it.

        Bloomberg’s position was not strong to begin with. He spent over $400 million to get to third place in the national polls, but he has no delegates and no natural constituency within the Democratic Party. There are no states or regions in which he is particularly strong or can rely. His support will leave him in an instant if he shows he’s not up to it.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        It's really inexplicable. Supposedly, Bloomberg had done debate prep with people standing in for the other candidates (as had Warren) so I don't understand why he choked as badly as he did. Even if they hadn't anticipated the specific attacks, he should have known that he was going to be attacked over "sexual harassment" and should have had a prepared response. He has held political office before, in the rough and tumble world of NYC politics - this was not his first rodeo.

        It will be interesting to see if he does better at the next debate. If he doesn't then it doesn't look good for his candidacy. Having a great version of canned Bloomberg on his TV commercials is of no use if the real live Bloomberg comes off as a dud.
      352. @Manfred Arcane
        100% correct. This is basically an example of the rhetoric/dialectic distinction that so many Internet-comment-section habitues seem to have trouble with. No amount of "Well, but actually they were inaccurate," talk after the fact can erase the simple visceral impact of watching someone get yelled at without fighting back, in the minds of ordinary people.

        Yep. The visual of Warren towering over Bloomberg as she scolded him about calling women nasty names and demanded that he release them from their NDAs will be hard to erase.

      353. @Pincher Martin

        The difference between Bloomberg and Bush the Elder is that Bloomberg has enough money to drown out the media. Bush didn’t. News programs are once or twice a day items. Bloomberg ads, including the rags-to-riches biography ad recorded by Michael Douglas, are once every hour.
         
        Bloomberg's money couldn't drown it out on Wednesday night. Nor could it drown it out on Thursday morning.

        Nor will it erase the impression it made on the 20 million people who watched the debate. What they saw is that while Bloomberg is rich, he's also an unattractive stiff.

        Bloomberg has already spent over $40o million in digital and traditional political ads. To put that number in perspective, Trump spent just over $600 million to win the presidency (and Hillary spent $1.1 billion to lose it).

        What has Bloomberg's money bought him so far? Not one delegate and only third place in national polls in a weak field. Meanwhile, his best state poll (Florida) doesn't hold its primary until the end of March.

        What Bloomberg is likely to demonstrate this election cycle is that with enough money, you can obviate the ability of the liberal media complex to derail your political campaign.
         
        It wasn't the liberal media that screwed Bloomberg. It was Bloomberg himself. Even if you don't understand this, the candidate and his staff certainly understand it and are right now working to undo the damage it did.

        It wasn’t the liberal media that screwed Bloomberg. It was Bloomberg himself. Even if you don’t understand this, the candidate and his staff certainly understand it and are right now working to undo the damage it did.

        You’ve mistaken an instant with the impact of pro-wrestling banter with a Sermon on the Mount moment. There were many moments like this during Bloomberg’s mayoral runs. The liberal media will make this out to be earth-shaking and editorialize about it endlessly during their once or twice daily news broadcasts. Bloomberg will counter with ads and political endorsements to drown them out.

        At any rate, we will find out in the days and weeks ahead if what worked for Bloomberg in NYC will work for him in a presidential year with 20x the money spent, and a very late entry. Note that his nightmare isn’t a Trump victory – it’s a Sanders victory that takes from him in a single year, from wealth and other taxes, what his entire campaign expenditure ends up being for the entire 2020 presidential cycle.

        • Replies: @Pincher Martin

        You’ve mistaken an instant with the impact of pro-wrestling banter with a Sermon on the Mount moment. There were many moments like this during Bloomberg’s mayoral runs.
         
        This isn't a NYC mayoral run. He's not running against Mark Green. Campaigning for president is as different from campaigning for NYC mayor as swimming in the ocean is from swimming in a suburban pool. Bloomberg found that out the hard way on Wednesday.

        The Democratic presidential nomination was always going to be hard for Bloomberg to secure, even if everything went right. He has no natural base in the party. He's only a Democrat out of convenience for his own ambitions. Bloomberg must also simultaneously distance himself from his Republican and corporate-friendly record even as he uses that experience to justify his presidential run. That's a hard trick to pull off and his debate performance showed it.

        But Bloomberg is not just hurt by his lack of experience in partisan politics. He's also not a very attractive candidate. He's short. His voice is whiny. He's not a natural speaker. His skin is pasty and old. When most people see him on TV or in real life, they aren't attracted; they're repelled.

        Bloomberg's lack of charisma compounds his lack of a base in the Democratic Party. He compensates for these problems by using the one virtue he has over any candidate: Money.

        But it's already clear that spending heavily on campaign ads is not going to buy Bloomberg the presidential nomination. Saturation has its limits. If you've ten Bloomberg political ads, what's the possible impact of seeing an eleventh?

        Yet still another problem for Bloomberg is his political strategy. Why wait until Super Tuesday? He allowed the rest of the Democratic field to contest each other in four states in which he was absent. Three of those states are swing states in November.

        Plus, the Democrats don't have a winner-take-all primary system. Even if Bloomberg does much better than I expect and wins a majority of states on Super Tuesday, he still won't be close to a delegate lead. A candidate in the Democratic primary has to get in there and fight for every delegate. So Bloomberg is already behind the eight ball. Why didn't he see that?
      354. @Mr McKenna
        You've defended Bloomberg against every single criticism here, and generally quite ably. He should hire you! Curious though: is there anything--no matter how small--that you don't like about the guy?

        You’ve defended Bloomberg against every single criticism here, and generally quite ably. He should hire you! Curious though: is there anything–no matter how small–that you don’t like about the guy?

        I don’t like that he’s a gun controller. I don’t like that he’s a liberal and will appoint liberal Supreme Court justices. I don’t like that he might actually win the nomination and defeat Trump. I dislike his religious adherence to the man-made global warming end-of-the-world cult/boondoggle. And his open-borders stance is, of course, a non-starter. But if a Democrat were fated to win, Bloomberg would be the least worst Democrat in this bunch.

        During WWII, a fighter squadron was dispatched to take care of an enemy general – a man named Yamamoto. If we were at war, the Democrats were the enemy, the candidates were enemy generals in transit flying on separate planes on separate routes and we only had one fighter squadron available for the job, my pick for the person to target would be Bloomberg. Because he is the man most likely to defeat Trump.

      355. @Pincher Martin
        Fight back. Deny her charges. Fire away with some vehemence at her dishonesty.

        That's just standard campaigning. I'm not sure why anyone would having trouble understanding this.

        He made a terrible mistake. His debate performance hurt him. And he knows it.

        Bloomberg's position was not strong to begin with. He spent over $400 million to get to third place in the national polls, but he has no delegates and no natural constituency within the Democratic Party. There are no states or regions in which he is particularly strong or can rely. His support will leave him in an instant if he shows he's not up to it.

        It’s really inexplicable. Supposedly, Bloomberg had done debate prep with people standing in for the other candidates (as had Warren) so I don’t understand why he choked as badly as he did. Even if they hadn’t anticipated the specific attacks, he should have known that he was going to be attacked over “sexual harassment” and should have had a prepared response. He has held political office before, in the rough and tumble world of NYC politics – this was not his first rodeo.

        It will be interesting to see if he does better at the next debate. If he doesn’t then it doesn’t look good for his candidacy. Having a great version of canned Bloomberg on his TV commercials is of no use if the real live Bloomberg comes off as a dud.

      356. @Rob
        If this thread is still alive, I’d like to comment on Bloomberg’s strategy. I’ll even be polite and use a More tag. My teaser, everyone, especially Bloomberg, drew exactly the wrong lessons from Trump.



        The Democratic primary candidates saw Trump come from nowhere, dead last, with next to no endorsements, and a shoestring budget, no political experience, with views diametrically opposed by everyone in Washington, especially “his own party” etc. and win. They then drew all the wrong lessons.

        First, the Dems decided he didn’t really win, he only won because the Russians spent tens of dollars on Facebook ads. No, he won by opposing the Uniparty that has presided over deindustrializatiom and an alien invasion.

        First, all the bozo candidates thought ‘I’m a bozo with no support, so maybe I can be win my primary.’ The. The presidency, So they sought endorsements, even though Trump used his lack of endorsements as yet more evidence that he wasn’t part of the problem. you know who got the endorsements and donors locked down? Jeb.

        They supported everything all the other candidates supported, even though Trump fished far away from the other boats. They supported tand support everything everything all the other candidates support. Remember when Trump contrasted himself with all the seventeen dwarfs at the debates? They did not notice. When debate moderators ask for a show off hands question about providing free health care for anyone who could sneak in or commit visa fraud? By golly they all raised their hands! They all emphasized the same thing everyone else emphasized, their electability. Did Trump say ’vote for me, because I’m electable. He said, love me or hate me, I’m the only one who can fix it. I’m the only one who even wants to try.

        Bloomberg, saw a billionaire win, and said ‘is he even really billionaire? He couldn’t even buy the primary, I have so many more billions, I can buy mine.’Problem is candidates are for sale. Politicians are for sale. Parties are for sale. Trump won his primary on a shoestring by appealing to voters. Not through ads, but by appealing to voters. Hilary massively outspent him. He won by being the only candidate in decades who tried to appeal to a huge population that no politician even tried to appeal to. And what did it get him? Cockblocked at every pass, because he had no political allies in his own party. Trump is not a systems thinker, and he couldn’t afford to set up a funding operation to compete with Conservative, Inc, anyway. Bloomberg is.

        Why did he not start planning the day Trump won? Did he think Trump was going to be a fantastic President? Buy some politicians. Donate to someone’s first primary campaign for the House, she’ll remember you fondly the rest of he political career. She’ll always take your calls For 400 million, Bloomberg could give 4,000 House candidates 100,000 dollars each. But there are only 435 House Seats. 100k is a lot to spend on a primary challenge, anyway. So maybe 200 at 10k, leaving 380 million for general elections, governors, and Senators.

        Do what Trump did, and find some voters. Since most states are locked down for each party, buy battleground states. How about the Rust Belt? Does Bloomberg think Trumps been great for them? His organization doesn’t depend on cheap labor, and Wall Street doesn’t either. Whatever happens, Wall Steeet’s going to trade and buy financial news. Bloomberg’s employees are high wage anyway, so support ‘smart unionization’ and So his big thing could be restoring manufacturing and labor management cooperation. He’s going to give it all away, anyway. So he says.

        Finally, buying all the political talent? That hurts Democrats, but maybe he can farm them out for general election? But candidates will not appreciate that like they’d appreciate donations.

        If Bloomberg is really trying to stop donors from giving in the primary, that is so dumb. First, the candidates spend more money getting small donations than they get in them. Everyone but Sanders. He will be last man standing, and in a two man race, a lot off people will decide that Sanders is the better choice. As Sanders looks more viable, he will pick up non-voters, if Bloomberg goes less woke, Sanders can match him. As Bernie looks more like a winner, his campaign staff will see that economics is the way to go, not winning the 1/1000 trans voters.

        So this is my effort post. Thanks for clicking ‘More’

        If anything, the most Trump-like candidate on the Democrat side is Sanders (and he has the election results to show for it). Trump’s “make America great again” was never going to work because greatness is like lightning in a bottle – you can’t recapture the Right Stuff once it is gone. But Sanders’s “Socialism or Death” plan is a million times worse.

        As I have often mentioned, prescribing a good cure is many times harder than making an accurate diagnosis (but even a diagnosis is hard if you are in denial). At least Trump (and Sanders) recognize that America went seriously off track at some point. The average working stiff today is never going to have what his father or grandfather had – a real job that pays enough to make payments on a mortgage, a pension, etc. Trump’s ideas are never going to put Humpty Dumpty back together again 100% but at least they are aimed in the right direction whereas Sanders wants to take the train that is already derailed and drive it off a cliff.

        • Agree: Johann Ricke
        • Replies: @Rob
        Agree about greatness. Even if we had the demographics, we don’t have the culture, and industry has been gone so long I’m sure production techniques have changed enough that it might as well never have been here.

        But what can we do but try? We produce so little, without factories the next generation of factories won’t be built here. Global warming due to CO2 is real, and will be bad, so we have to replace a huge chunk of our infrastructure. I want the electric cars and components built here. I want the nuclear reactors built here.

        Institute tariffs and make an industrial policy. Break up big companies to the extent that there as so many that we’re closer to the ideal free market in more industries. Make patent pools to encourage competition and discourage monopolies. Encourage the chip industry. Intel is here, so we still have some domestic capacity. Let antidiscrimination go. There will be some companies that keep AA, and some that don’t. Some companies will give aptitude tests, and others won’t.

        It might not work, but the current direction, but more so is obviously not working.
      357. @Jack D
        If voting for Hillary would get you Angela Davis, what does voting for Bernie get you? Hugo Chavez?

        The same thing. With the Democrats even more than the Republicans, you vote for the party, not the person.

      358. @Jack D
        If voting for Hillary would get you Angela Davis, what does voting for Bernie get you? Hugo Chavez?

        Bloomberg or ButtiJeb, looking like.

      359. @Johann Ricke

        It wasn’t the liberal media that screwed Bloomberg. It was Bloomberg himself. Even if you don’t understand this, the candidate and his staff certainly understand it and are right now working to undo the damage it did.
         
        You've mistaken an instant with the impact of pro-wrestling banter with a Sermon on the Mount moment. There were many moments like this during Bloomberg's mayoral runs. The liberal media will make this out to be earth-shaking and editorialize about it endlessly during their once or twice daily news broadcasts. Bloomberg will counter with ads and political endorsements to drown them out.

        At any rate, we will find out in the days and weeks ahead if what worked for Bloomberg in NYC will work for him in a presidential year with 20x the money spent, and a very late entry. Note that his nightmare isn't a Trump victory - it's a Sanders victory that takes from him in a single year, from wealth and other taxes, what his entire campaign expenditure ends up being for the entire 2020 presidential cycle.

        You’ve mistaken an instant with the impact of pro-wrestling banter with a Sermon on the Mount moment. There were many moments like this during Bloomberg’s mayoral runs.

        This isn’t a NYC mayoral run. He’s not running against Mark Green. Campaigning for president is as different from campaigning for NYC mayor as swimming in the ocean is from swimming in a suburban pool. Bloomberg found that out the hard way on Wednesday.

        The Democratic presidential nomination was always going to be hard for Bloomberg to secure, even if everything went right. He has no natural base in the party. He’s only a Democrat out of convenience for his own ambitions. Bloomberg must also simultaneously distance himself from his Republican and corporate-friendly record even as he uses that experience to justify his presidential run. That’s a hard trick to pull off and his debate performance showed it.

        But Bloomberg is not just hurt by his lack of experience in partisan politics. He’s also not a very attractive candidate. He’s short. His voice is whiny. He’s not a natural speaker. His skin is pasty and old. When most people see him on TV or in real life, they aren’t attracted; they’re repelled.

        Bloomberg’s lack of charisma compounds his lack of a base in the Democratic Party. He compensates for these problems by using the one virtue he has over any candidate: Money.

        But it’s already clear that spending heavily on campaign ads is not going to buy Bloomberg the presidential nomination. Saturation has its limits. If you’ve ten Bloomberg political ads, what’s the possible impact of seeing an eleventh?

        Yet still another problem for Bloomberg is his political strategy. Why wait until Super Tuesday? He allowed the rest of the Democratic field to contest each other in four states in which he was absent. Three of those states are swing states in November.

        Plus, the Democrats don’t have a winner-take-all primary system. Even if Bloomberg does much better than I expect and wins a majority of states on Super Tuesday, he still won’t be close to a delegate lead. A candidate in the Democratic primary has to get in there and fight for every delegate. So Bloomberg is already behind the eight ball. Why didn’t he see that?

        • Replies: @Jack D

        Why wait until Super Tuesday?
         
        He wasn't going to run at all but then he saw that Biden was fading away, which would lead to a Sanders nomination, which would lead to 4 more years of Trump, whom he hates.

        Or else a Sanders presidency, which he would hate even more. Bloomberg was catatonic for most of the evening at the debate but one of the few moments when he perked up was when Sanders proposed that the employees be given 20% of the stock of every large corporation.
      360. @Pincher Martin

        You’ve mistaken an instant with the impact of pro-wrestling banter with a Sermon on the Mount moment. There were many moments like this during Bloomberg’s mayoral runs.
         
        This isn't a NYC mayoral run. He's not running against Mark Green. Campaigning for president is as different from campaigning for NYC mayor as swimming in the ocean is from swimming in a suburban pool. Bloomberg found that out the hard way on Wednesday.

        The Democratic presidential nomination was always going to be hard for Bloomberg to secure, even if everything went right. He has no natural base in the party. He's only a Democrat out of convenience for his own ambitions. Bloomberg must also simultaneously distance himself from his Republican and corporate-friendly record even as he uses that experience to justify his presidential run. That's a hard trick to pull off and his debate performance showed it.

        But Bloomberg is not just hurt by his lack of experience in partisan politics. He's also not a very attractive candidate. He's short. His voice is whiny. He's not a natural speaker. His skin is pasty and old. When most people see him on TV or in real life, they aren't attracted; they're repelled.

        Bloomberg's lack of charisma compounds his lack of a base in the Democratic Party. He compensates for these problems by using the one virtue he has over any candidate: Money.

        But it's already clear that spending heavily on campaign ads is not going to buy Bloomberg the presidential nomination. Saturation has its limits. If you've ten Bloomberg political ads, what's the possible impact of seeing an eleventh?

        Yet still another problem for Bloomberg is his political strategy. Why wait until Super Tuesday? He allowed the rest of the Democratic field to contest each other in four states in which he was absent. Three of those states are swing states in November.

        Plus, the Democrats don't have a winner-take-all primary system. Even if Bloomberg does much better than I expect and wins a majority of states on Super Tuesday, he still won't be close to a delegate lead. A candidate in the Democratic primary has to get in there and fight for every delegate. So Bloomberg is already behind the eight ball. Why didn't he see that?

        Why wait until Super Tuesday?

        He wasn’t going to run at all but then he saw that Biden was fading away, which would lead to a Sanders nomination, which would lead to 4 more years of Trump, whom he hates.

        Or else a Sanders presidency, which he would hate even more. Bloomberg was catatonic for most of the evening at the debate but one of the few moments when he perked up was when Sanders proposed that the employees be given 20% of the stock of every large corporation.

        • Replies: @Johann Ricke

        He wasn’t going to run at all but then he saw that Biden was fading away, which would lead to a Sanders nomination, which would lead to 4 more years of Trump, whom he hates.
         
        I doubt it was a hate thing, or even particularly emotional. The anti-Trump stuff in his interminable ads is how you get Democratic voters to notice you without bashing the Democratic opponents whose delegates you might need when Sanders ends up with a plurality of delegates during the first ballot and you need to buy the also-rans out for the second ballot. My guess is he saw the presidential race the way he saw the mayoral race. If he stood a chance, he'd go for it. Joe Biden looked like he was going to walk away with the nomination. When Biden seemed to falter, carpe diem.

        Bloomberg doesn't have much time left to catch up with Jeff Bezos as the richest man in the world. But he can certainly trump every plutocrat in America with a stint in the White House.
      361. He wasn’t going to run at all but then he saw that Biden was fading away, which would lead to a Sanders nomination, which would lead to 4 more years of Trump, whom he hates.

        I don’t believe this at all. Biden was still leading in the polls when Bloomberg entered the race.

        I think the more likely explanation is that he hates retail politics, and the early states – especially Iowa and New Hampshire – require retail politics. He’d rather wait until Super Tuesday and hope his massive ad buys push him over. But that was always a dumb strategy given the lack of winner-take-all states in the Democratic Primary.

      362. @Jack D

        Why wait until Super Tuesday?
         
        He wasn't going to run at all but then he saw that Biden was fading away, which would lead to a Sanders nomination, which would lead to 4 more years of Trump, whom he hates.

        Or else a Sanders presidency, which he would hate even more. Bloomberg was catatonic for most of the evening at the debate but one of the few moments when he perked up was when Sanders proposed that the employees be given 20% of the stock of every large corporation.

        He wasn’t going to run at all but then he saw that Biden was fading away, which would lead to a Sanders nomination, which would lead to 4 more years of Trump, whom he hates.

        I doubt it was a hate thing, or even particularly emotional. The anti-Trump stuff in his interminable ads is how you get Democratic voters to notice you without bashing the Democratic opponents whose delegates you might need when Sanders ends up with a plurality of delegates during the first ballot and you need to buy the also-rans out for the second ballot. My guess is he saw the presidential race the way he saw the mayoral race. If he stood a chance, he’d go for it. Joe Biden looked like he was going to walk away with the nomination. When Biden seemed to falter, carpe diem.

        Bloomberg doesn’t have much time left to catch up with Jeff Bezos as the richest man in the world. But he can certainly trump every plutocrat in America with a stint in the White House.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        Whether he hates Trump or not (and Bloomberg is a pretty cool headed guy and doesn't act on emotion anyway) I think that we both agree that what triggered his late entrance was the news that Biden was fading and that this left an opening for him.
      363. @Johann Ricke

        He wasn’t going to run at all but then he saw that Biden was fading away, which would lead to a Sanders nomination, which would lead to 4 more years of Trump, whom he hates.
         
        I doubt it was a hate thing, or even particularly emotional. The anti-Trump stuff in his interminable ads is how you get Democratic voters to notice you without bashing the Democratic opponents whose delegates you might need when Sanders ends up with a plurality of delegates during the first ballot and you need to buy the also-rans out for the second ballot. My guess is he saw the presidential race the way he saw the mayoral race. If he stood a chance, he'd go for it. Joe Biden looked like he was going to walk away with the nomination. When Biden seemed to falter, carpe diem.

        Bloomberg doesn't have much time left to catch up with Jeff Bezos as the richest man in the world. But he can certainly trump every plutocrat in America with a stint in the White House.

        Whether he hates Trump or not (and Bloomberg is a pretty cool headed guy and doesn’t act on emotion anyway) I think that we both agree that what triggered his late entrance was the news that Biden was fading and that this left an opening for him.

      364. @Pincher Martin

        It doesn’t even stand up to scrutiny.
         
        Debates are not about scrutiny. They are about getting off effective one-liners and short set speeches. No one scrutinized whether Lloyd Bentsen's comment in 1988 about Dan Quayle and John Kennedy was fair or accurate. They just said "Ouch!"

        Warren gave Bloomberg two "Ouch!" moments on Wednesday night. As Pat Buchanan said, the New York mayor finally learned what it was like to be thrown up against the wall and frisked.

        I think it caught Bloomberg off guard because he had no recollection of every calling anyone a horse faced lesbian. But he knew that Warren must have had some source so he couldn’t just deny it – it would look even worse later on when it turned out to have some basis.
         
        None of this is even slightly interesting or relevant. The details don't matter. What matters is that Warren verbally raped Bloomberg on live TV and he had as much of a reaction as a dead fish being gutted.

        Anyone who saw the expression on Bloomberg’s face as he was being pilloried will have no trouble believing the story: it was a complete disaster. He looked like he wanted to say “I’m worth $60 Billion! You can’t talk to me that way!”

      365. @Jack D
        If anything, the most Trump-like candidate on the Democrat side is Sanders (and he has the election results to show for it). Trump's "make America great again" was never going to work because greatness is like lightning in a bottle - you can't recapture the Right Stuff once it is gone. But Sanders's "Socialism or Death" plan is a million times worse.

        As I have often mentioned, prescribing a good cure is many times harder than making an accurate diagnosis (but even a diagnosis is hard if you are in denial). At least Trump (and Sanders) recognize that America went seriously off track at some point. The average working stiff today is never going to have what his father or grandfather had - a real job that pays enough to make payments on a mortgage, a pension, etc. Trump's ideas are never going to put Humpty Dumpty back together again 100% but at least they are aimed in the right direction whereas Sanders wants to take the train that is already derailed and drive it off a cliff.

        Agree about greatness. Even if we had the demographics, we don’t have the culture, and industry has been gone so long I’m sure production techniques have changed enough that it might as well never have been here.

        But what can we do but try? We produce so little, without factories the next generation of factories won’t be built here. Global warming due to CO2 is real, and will be bad, so we have to replace a huge chunk of our infrastructure. I want the electric cars and components built here. I want the nuclear reactors built here.

        Institute tariffs and make an industrial policy. Break up big companies to the extent that there as so many that we’re closer to the ideal free market in more industries. Make patent pools to encourage competition and discourage monopolies. Encourage the chip industry. Intel is here, so we still have some domestic capacity. Let antidiscrimination go. There will be some companies that keep AA, and some that don’t. Some companies will give aptitude tests, and others won’t.

        It might not work, but the current direction, but more so is obviously not working.

      366. Anyone who saw the expression on Bloomberg’s face as he was being pilloried will have no trouble believing the story: it was a complete disaster.

        In some other situation I’m confident he would have blustered his way out via “Do you know who I am?”.

      367. anon[176] • Disclaimer says:
        @Polynikes
        Bloomberg is late to the party and any the Dem coalition is shestak highly fractured. Bloomberg “stealing” the election from Bernie will drive down their turnout as much Hillary stealing it did. And this will all be about turnout. Dems have to get it from somewhere and that somewhere shifts by state for them. Similarly, Trump will hammer Bloomberg as a racist when the time comes. He’s building a war chest and keeping his powder dry. By this summer he’ll go dirty and you’ll either see commercials with Bernies past communism comments on every TV or Bloomberg’s “racist” comments.

        Trump team thinks they can hedge off an extra 10% of the black vote. If they can get an extra 5% , it will more or less secure the election. Hell, if he can keep blacks at homer last time, that should do it.

        Moderate Republicans stayed home last time. Trump thinks he can get them this time. I suppose Bloomberg could flip them, but it seems unlikely. The election will be about
        turnout.

        The election will be about turnout.

        Every year the democrats import at least 750,000 new democrat voters, thanks to Hart-Celler.
        No other political statistic matters.

        In a few years, it will all be over for the GOP. Further, because the GOP is the last refuge of Historic America, it will all be over for the USA.


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