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      From Penguin Random House:

      One Billion Americans
      THE CASE FOR THINKING BIGGER
      By MATTHEW YGLESIAS

      Hardcover
      Sep 08, 2020 | ISBN 9780593190210

      ABOUT ONE BILLION AMERICANS
      A bold case for massive population growth in the name of national greatness—from Vox co-founder and host of “The Weeds” podcast Matt Yglesias.

      America is in decline. Fewer children are born each year due to financial pressure. Thousands flee our iconic cities with their housing shortages and broken infrastructure. While we tie ourselves into knots trying to stop the flow of immigrants, our exhausted economy deflates the heartland’s already shrinking population. To survive China’s impending global takeover (not to mention Russia), we can’t afford to be weak. We need to get bigger, much bigger. We need one billion Americans.

      In this timely and provocative book, Matthew Yglesias makes the case for massive population growth through humane family and immigration policy. Of course, more people requires more housing, not to mention better transportation, improved education, a revitalized welfare system, and climate change mitigation.

      Another 666,666,666 residents of America will do wonders for global carbon emissions.

       
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      1. Here’s what Wikipedia says about Yglesias.

        His paternal grandfather was of Spanish-Cuban background, and his three other grandparents were of Eastern European Jewish descent.

        It doesn’t get any more complicated than that.

      2. AKAHorace says:

        It is unreal how serious global warming yes and how out of the question any discussion of the downside of large populations is.

        • Agree: bomag, Charon
      3. @JohnnyWalker123

        Fewer children are born each year due to financial pressure.

        Israel is a country with a fertility rate of nearly 3.2 children per woman. Perhaps (((Yglesias))) should get acquainted with Israel’s fertility policies and advocate these strategies in America?

        Thousands flee our iconic cities with their housing shortages and broken infrastructure.

        Immigration will improve the housing shortages.

        While we tie ourselves into knots trying to stop the flow of immigrants

        Israel’s border wall.

        So at least we know all our foreign aid to Israel isn’t going to waste!

        To survive China’s impending global takeover (not to mention Russia)

        Thankyou for mentioning Russia. If there’s one country whose people constantly interfere in American electoral politics, it’d definitely be Russia.

      4. black sea says:

        Of course, more people requires more housing, not to mention better transportation, improved education, a revitalized welfare system, and climate change mitigation.

        Isn’t this a bit like arguing that you should buy a 60-foot yacht because such a vessel requires higher income, better navigation skills, improved mooring facilities, and an enhanced vacation schedule?

      5. Ghislaine Maxwell (who helped the “suicided” Jeffrey Epstein run his prostitution ring) is being hidden by the Israeli govt)

        By the way, what’s happening with the whole investigation of Epstein’s “suicide”? That news story sorta just disappeared after a few days of attention…..

        • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
      6. People who argue for higher population must not have much feeling for the land.

        This commenter has had the “privilege” of living in the America of his ancestors. An open land. He still lives on open land by choice.

        Once you throw away open land, by overpopulating it, it is gone forever — unless something big and tragic reduces the population.

        Humanity is stupid. It will overpopulate America.

        This “boomer” commenter wishes you younger people luck in reversing that.

      7. Here’s the list of carbon emissions per capita by Country.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions

        Every-time the US imports another Obama Dad. his carbon emissions increase by a factor of 14.

        • Replies: @Joe Schmoe
      8. We had to destroy the country in order to save it.

        • Agree: black sea, bomag
        • Replies: @CrunchyButRealistCon
      9. El Dato says:

        1) We have problems, among others problems caused by too many people and the wrong kind of people
        2) To solve these problems we need more people especially the wrong kind of people

        It’s a funny money / Wall Street way of getting out of an investment shithole. Problem is, it only works if there are suckers who pay for you without noticing

        To survive China’s impending global takeover (not to mention Russia), we can’t afford to be weak.

        I suggest to ship a lot of these “writers” to Iran, to be used as they wish, to paper over the recent unseemly behaviour.

        • Replies: @BB753
      10. Anonymous[421] • Disclaimer says:

        “Fewer children are born each year due to financial pressure”.

        Yep.
        …… and the way to correct this is add even more Malthusian competition in the struggle for resources in contemporary America.

        • Agree: ben tillman
      11. Dumbo says:

        At a certain point you have to ask what is the problem of these people, if they are really totally mentally deranged or simply trolling us. What’s the point of destroying the goose that lays the golden eggs? Do even people in a bubble like Yglesias think they will really live better in a country populated with one billion people, mostly immigrants? I mean, there is a point at which even the elite is inconvenienced by mass poverty, lack of space and violence – witness Mexico, Venezuela or Brazil. Commuting by helicopter to work, living in fear of being kidnapped, having crumbling bridges and serious infrastructure problems. Life in a massively populated third-world hellhole is bad even for the rich. Even the Jews don’t like to live in dysfunctional, overcrowded countries. Yglesias should move to Hong Kong. Or even better to somewhere in Nigeria.

      12. Bert says:
        @Buzz Mohawk

        Many whites donate to organizations that preserve natural habitats, but considering the fact that Jews have never shown any committment to Nature, exemplified now by the Yglesias book, white conservationists’ most fruitful action would be financial support of white separatism.

      13. Anon7 says:

        Finally! I’ve been talking about this for years. The CenturyInitiative.org website tells the whole story, for Canada, but the plan is the same for the “United States”. They have cool interactive pages, and explain why Canada, which currently has just 35 million backbacon-eating, hockey-playing people, would be much better off economically as a nation of 100 million allahuakbar-shouting people.

        I note that they have gotten rid of the explanatory video on their homepage, which showed three attractive white Canadian women with their PoC spouses explaining how everyone would be much better off with higher levels of immigration. Can’t think why; maybe they still need to convince all the white guys in Canada to go along with their plan.

        Anyway, I’ve been saying for years that the plan for America is exactly the same, just multiplied by ten.Who wants 350 million mostly white European Americans who feel like the Constitution expresses their political goals, when you can have one billion mixed race people who just want to shop, be given free health care, free education, free food, free housing, and thanks to race laws that favor PoCs, will be guaranteed all the best jobs?

        I feel much better now that it’s all out on the table. Visit CenturyInitiative.org to learn more about the plan for America. Especially about mass immigration to increase our population from 350 million now to one billion by the year 2100.

        When demographic change finally gives the Democrats the Presidency and both houses of Congress, they will enfranchise the 25 million illegals and our fate will be sealed. They will nationalize our 401Ks and put the money out to attract the millions of immigrants they will need.

      14. I don’t see the part where we make the rest of the Western Hemisphere part of the United States, the only way a 1 billion population USA would work.

        • Replies: @Anon7
      15. Anonymous[425] • Disclaimer says:

        Immigration = ‘genocide’ of American Indians or the Hantayocaust.

        Stop immigration now.

      16. Anon7 says:
        @Redneck farmer

        Don’t worry, it’s all explained on the CenturyInitiative.org website:

        “To get Canada’s population to 100 million by 2100, immigration levels would need to increase steadily but not dramatically. A multi-year plan to increase immigration to 1.3% of population (415,000 – 450,000 entrants per year over the next 5-10 years) is more than adequate. At various times in Canada’s history we have exceeded these levels with no harmful effects.”

        A Long-Term View of Canada’s Demographics

        As I explained earlier, just multiply by ten.

        If you’re wondering where all the people will come from, I suggest you take a look at one of Steve’s recent pages, this time with a more accepting attitude!

        The Most Important Graph in the World

      17. Bert says:
        @black sea

        Nowadays propaganda is the proliferation of memes. A meme can function despite being illogical.

        Unlike the left’s politcal positions, white identity politics has all the logic it needs, yet it has not been very effective at focusing on and promoting a few clear memes. An article in Unz Review that considers various alt-right memes and ranks them according to potential effect would be very welcome.

        Right at the top of my personal list of important political memes is that Western Civilization is what makes a “good life” feasible, and that Western Civilization was created and is maintained by Europeans who are now being replaced by others who, because of their genetic endowment, will be incapable of preventing the loss of Western Civilization. Do Americans really want their grandchildren to live in a society like Brazil that would let its national museum burn to the ground because funding more reproduction in favelas (Bolsa Familia) was chosen over renovating the museum’s antiquated electrical wiring? I serously doubt it, if the question were put to them in a clear way.

        • Agree: 68W58
      18. Anon7 says:
        @Buzz Mohawk

        Don’t worry about the open land – the hundreds of millions of immigrants we will need to increase our population to One Billion won’t get anywhere near the rural parts of America. They will go to where the free handouts are most readily available, and the prior immigrants from their own country have gone – namely, the big cities.

        For example, in Canada, about 20% of people are immigrants, but in Toronto, the figure is about 50%. See how it works?

        It’s not like people who worked as shepherds or hoe-farmers in sub-Saharan Africa will want to “work the land”. They will “work the system” instead!

        • Replies: @bomag
      19. @Bert

        “white conservationists’ most fruitful action would be financial support of white separatism”

        Meanwhile in Bongland:

        https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/row-lack-diversity-lake-district-17488343

        Lake District too heavily weighted towards white, middle-class, able-bodied people, says park boss. Richard Leafe says if the park doesn’t change it risks missing out on funding and could also ‘lose relevance’…
        Mr Leafe told Sky News: “We are deficient in terms of young people, we are deficient in terms of black and minority ethnic communities and we are not particularly well-visited by those who are less able in terms of their mobility.

        Unsurprisingly the Lake District, being full of steep and rugged hills, is not a great place for the disabled, and could only be made so by concrete paths everywhere. As for the BME bit, at the moment a girl or woman can walk these paths alone and feel assured that no one she meets will present a danger to her. The last thing anyone wants is to meet the Man Dem Crew in some lonesome valley with no one else within miles.

      20. danand says:

        “To survive China’s impending global takeover (not to mention Russia), we can’t afford to be weak. We need to get bigger, much bigger. We need one billion Americans.”

        I’ve been spouting similar ad nauseam at dinner conversion over the past couple of years, admittedly mostly to blank stares.

        Current USA “yearly output per person” is approx $65K (GDP $20T), China’s is $10K per person (GDP $15T). But China was a tenth that in Y2K. If China manages to grow its per person output to half that of the US, it will dominate. It’s military will “rule” the lands, seas, sky’s and space; similar to the way the USA world polices now.

        I’m of the mind that this a primary reason nearly all our national politicians have turned de-facto supporters of open borders, and deemed the “trade war” necessary.

        Russia I can’t really see as that kind of ominous threat: while its people may be capable, there just are not enough of them, and their per person output is abysmal. I can’t see it topping $20K per anytime soon.

        Of course China could be topped out right around here, at that $10K per citizen number: look at Japan. Japan’s GDP has gone nowhere, stuck a $5T, for the past 3 decades. Remember back when we were all going to be turning Japanese, circa 1989?

        • Replies: @silviosilver
      21. You are absolutely right, of course. Unbridled immigration is not compatible with the curbing of global warming.

        Both the rightwing (except for some tiny islands of intelligence such as yourself) and the leftwing (as a whole, except for some unclassifiable types who vote leftwing such as Alain de Benoist) are crazy on this topic.

        • Replies: @Brás Cubas
      22. At what point does it become morally imperative to put to an end the ability for psychopathic nation wreckers such as this mongrel to openly and actively promote such things?

      23. anon[165] • Disclaimer says:

        India is in decline. Fewer children are born each year due to financial pressure. Thousands flee our iconic cities with their housing shortages and broken infrastructure. While we tie ourselves into knots trying to stop the flow of immigrants, our exhausted economy deflates the heartland’s already shrinking population. To survive China’s impending global takeover (not to mention Russia), we can’t afford to be weak. We need to get bigger, much bigger. We need ten billion Indians.

        Calcutta, here we come!

      24. Anon[378] • Disclaimer says:

        I was just visit the southeast coast of Fl. Unbelievable population growth of the POC. Pack ‘em and stack ‘em. Traffic and new developments, who would want this?

      25. BB753 says:
        @El Dato

        Yeah, unfettered immigration and open borders is just a Ponzi scheme devised by Wall Street, large corporations and the so-called Welfare State.
        Who in his right mind believes we can compete with China and Russia importing the dregs of humanity, the famous “wretched refuse” from teeming shores? Sure, that’s the ticket!

      26. bomag says:
        @black sea

        He’s arguing that we should go from a frayed, but serviceable, 60 foot yacht to a 180 foot rusted out freighter that just bobs in the salvage yard.

      27. @Bert

        This commenter does not want this comment to be exclusively about “da Joos,” so he will include most other recent arrivals to his homeland.

        They all come here to a place that was hacked out of the wilderness by MY ancestors. This is MY homeland, by birthright.

        That above is point number one. It applies to all of you who might criticize it, you whose people came here on steam ships and landed at Ellis Island. And everyone after. You came here becaue MY ancestors made this place better than the place you came from.

        To “da Joos”: You have no claim whatsoever to tell ME what to do with my country. NONE. Live your best life here, as it is now your legal right, but STFU.

        When I was in school, the first time I learned the population of MY country it was Two Hundred Million. 200,000,000. I have lived less than half-a-century since that time, and now, as best I can tell, the officially counted population of MY homeland is around Three-Hundred-Thirty-Million. 330,000,000.

        Most of that increase has come from immigration. Most of those new people are very different from me and my ancestors. Their people did not make this country, yet they come here because it is better than where they come from. Logic makes this obvious.

        However: We do not even need a political, social or cultural argument against this massive INVASION. We can simply point out what I have already written about. Unchecked immigration will overpopulate America and destroy whatever reasons people come here. That will be the point of equilibrium.

        Only when equilibrium is achieved will people stop coming here — unless our republican form of government of the people stops the flow first. (LOL I know this is unlikely.)

        I have no reason to believe it will stop. Equilibrium is the future. It is the goal of those who control your media, your academia, your finances, your legislatures, your foreign policy, your foreign trade…

        • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
        , @Bert
      28. What I don’t understand is why proponents of uncontrolled immigration think that the United States won’t change if you triple its population, especially with people who don’t come from the same legal and moral tradition? Do they think we don’t have enough litter? Do they really think that the gays will keep their “rights” if a bunch of immigrants come in?

        And why in the world would it make a difference to our “hollowed out heartland?” Immigrants tend to flock to big cities. Do they really think that Chinese or Egyptian immigrants would move to Nebraska and start farming corn? No! They’d cram themselves into apartments in Brooklyn and Jersey City and make New York City even more crowded.

        Normally I go “read the whole thing” to answer my questions before commenting on posts like this, but apparently it’s a book and I already don’t read the books I have from authors I like. No way I’m buying a book from Matt Yglesias.

        • Replies: @Medvedev
      29. Realist says:

        Yglesias: “One Billion Americans”

        The catch is…they won’t be White.

        • Replies: @anon
        , @ben tillman
      30. Jake says:
        @JohnnyWalker123

        The paternal, grandfather, who brought a true surname that hid Jewishness, could have been a hardline Spanish-Cuban revolutionary. Whites who embrace revolution against Christendom always gravitate to Jews. Always.

        That should explian the philoSemitism, and philoSinism, of the atheist John Derbyshire, who seethes contempt for most whites who are not WASP.

        tEven young artist hopeful Hitler loved being surrounded by Jews and philoSemites in the art world and its related world of porn/prostitution. If those Jews had not rejected Hitler as an artist and hip person for their fancy parties, his socialist rebellion against what was left of Christendom in the Germanies probably would have been as a Bolshevik.

      31. To “da Joos”: You have no claim whatsoever to tell ME what to do with my country. NONE. Live your best life here, as it is now your legal right, but STFU.

        You have a right to your outrage, but here’s thing, if they don’t STFU – which of course they won’t – what are you going to do about it? What even can you really do about it? The way I see it, nothing. You can certainly argue for a competing vision of America, but no matter how much you hate it there’s nothing you can do to prevent them from arguing for theirs.

        If you want to achieve cooperation from other groups besides your own, then I don’t see that it really helps much to scream at them that you’re the real American, that it’s really your country, that you’re better than them, that they need to do as they’re told. However correct you are about the history of it all, and maybe even the morality of it all, people just don’t like being talked down to like that. (Major bummer, huh.)

        • Replies: @MBlanc46
        , @bomag
      32. Anon[398] • Disclaimer says:

        If you were a Jew, would you want 360 million cattle** to milk?

        Or a billion cattle to milk?

        More cattle, more milk.

        Easy math!

        ** “Goyim” = livestock in the Talmud

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      33. Anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:
        @Bert

        Prominent Jewish financier, David Gelbaum, made a multi million dollar donation to the Sierra Club, on condition that the Sierra Club obeys a strict self censoring silence on the topic of ‘immigration into the USA ‘.

        Sad to say, the directors of the Sierra Club decided to prostitute their office – and their charity.

      34. Why stop at just one billion? That’s racist against the ten+ billion who will be left out.

        • Agree: Buzz Mohawk
        • Replies: @istevefan
      35. Jake says:
        @Dumbo

        Jewish actions are not driven by things that are logical. They are not primarily driven even by greed. They are driven by being the definitive anti-Christ people.

        This is a spiritual war. Fighting it any other way than striving to rebuild Christendom, which requires rejection of all heretical ideas and groups based on them, guarantees loss.

        • Replies: @Alfa158
        , @Bert
      36. @Bert

        I once saw it put this way, which would fit in an image macro:

        “Race is not a social construct. Society is a racial construct.”

      37. vinny says:

        I’m not entirely opposed to the idea that our economically productive cities shouldn’t be denser with better design and infrastructure but Yglesias is constantly tweeting stuff about Los Angeles County being as dense as Connecticut with the implication that “Connecticut doesn’t feel crowded, just upzone LA since a lot of people want to live there” without ever thinking about obvious stuff like mountains or deserts.

        Along with the obvious, “people use a lot more carbon in the US” problem, I expect there to be a million simple issues never addressed in this book. Yglesias can be an interesting troll, but he’s a poor thinker.

      38. Arclight says:

        He’s clearly just trolling – even the most pro-open borders nut understands that for the US to siphon more than half a billion people from elsewhere in the world would mean a) a dramatic drop in the US standard of living, and b) destabilization and collapse of the areas of the world that would be the source of most of these immigrants.

        This is how much our elites hate our country and most of the people in it.

      39. I suspect Yglesias may have gotten his ideas of tripling the US population from North of the border where I live:

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      40. istevefan says:
        @International Jew

        If we take in the entire world population, our economy would comprise 100 % of world GDP. We would have 100 % of Nobel laureates, tech startups, and the best selection of food in the world.

        • LOL: silviosilver
        • Replies: @Anonymous
      41. Altai says:

        Again, I ask, why not just declare everyone in the world American? If it’s all about the high score, why do countries not do this all the time?

      42. Big Tex says:

        Off topic, but it seems that Nisbett and Flynn can cite Cochoran and Harpending

        https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/c03f/f20904c35a370534a9d3710453dd6dc7a2d2.pdf

      43. @Anon7

        When demographic change finally gives the Democrats the Presidency and both houses of Congress, they will enfranchise the 25 million illegals and our fate will be sealed. They will nationalize our 401Ks and put the money out to attract the millions of immigrants they will need.

        I don’t get this thing about 401k’s.

      44. @Arclight

        He’s clearly just trolling – even the most pro-open borders nut understands that for the US to siphon more than half a billion people from elsewhere in the world would mean a) a dramatic drop in the US standard of living, and b) destabilization and collapse of the areas of the world that would be the source of most of these immigrants.

        This is how much our elites hate our country and most of the people in it.

        Not to mention the people in the rest oif the world.

        • Replies: @AndrewR
        , @Anonymous
      45. anonymous[117] • Disclaimer says:

        …White countries for Everybody?

        America IS a White country. It was settled by White men for Ourselves and Our Posterity. It’s in the Preamble and Naturalization Act. We owed something to the Aboriginals and ADOS – noone else.

        Racist? I prefer and preserve my own children, just like every other race.
        Privilege? In my own countries, just like every other race.

        Besides, maybe some privilege is warranted. We are, after all, responsible for the overwhelming majority of the prosperity and advancements they enjoy.

      46. Anonymous[297] • Disclaimer says:
        @Arclight

        No.

        The real insanity is that he is ‘deadly earnest’.
        He’s not joking or kidding you, or leg-pulling etc.

        He means what he says and says what he means.

        It’s no laughing matter.

        • Replies: @ben tillman
      47. One thing to say about the Left, they seem to think strategically in the area of politics. They understood the demographics of the West had to be changed and they made it happen. It was a multigenerational agenda.

        Most conservatives are trapped in tactical, short term thinking. At least for politics.

      48. America is in decline. Fewer children are born each year due to financial pressure. Thousands flee our iconic cities with their housing shortages and broken infrastructure. While we tie ourselves into knots trying to stop the flow of immigrants, our exhausted economy deflates the heartland’s already shrinking population. To survive China’s impending global takeover (not to mention Russia), we can’t afford to be weak. We need to get bigger, much bigger. We need one billion Americans.

        This must be what 3/4 of “bracing originality and high-minded purpose” looks like.

        Jewish minoritarianism and immigrationism have made life considerably more unpleasant, atomistic, fraught and expensive for Americans….
        so let’s fix it by shoving even more people down their throats.

        Stephens is right. This kind of stuff isn’t boring old gentile thought.

        • Agree: West Reanimator
      49. If you want to know what the very rich want, just look at what they pay their media pets to write books about.

      50. @AKAHorace

        The corporations have taken over completely.

        Even the so-called dissident right, for the most part, follows the corporate talking points. Saving the planet? BAH! That’s for liberal snowflakes! REAL men drink poisoned water and breathe polluted air, by gum. And when the coastal cities are under water, the tears of liberals will be so sweet.

        Running up the deficit to give tax breaks for billionaires? Well, without that, the economy would collapse! Be thankful for working longer hours for less money, with no retirement in sight. As long as we have meth and opioids, we’re find.

        The so-called socialist left follows the corporate talking points. We want to save the environment, and we will do that by importing hundreds of millions of polluters, because they will save the economy by working for lower wages! The Oglala Aquifer isn’t near any big cities, so why should we care? Who needs wide open spaces when we can cram 10 people in a studio apartment!

        So the right wing denies that global warming even exists, despite the fact that the past 5 years were the 5 warmest years ever recorded. Despite the fact that the much despised models either accurately predicted the current global warming or even underestimated the damage.

        Meanwhile, the left wing wants to solve global warming, as long as they don’t do anything to offend their billionaire bosses.

        There are three things we could do to really slow down global warming without costing us an arm and a leg, but none of them can be done.

        1. Population control: this means severely restricted immigration (which liberals and corporate conservatives and the Pope hate) and subsidized global family planning (which conservatives and the Pope hate). Meanwhile the Pope says destroying the environment is a sin. I guess the Pope is going to Hell, by his logic.

        2. Use the subsidies and tax breaks now given to oil and coal and gas; use the money to fund green research. As it is, the Chinese are leading us in solar, and at some point we will be completely dependent on Winnie the Pooh for our energy if we are not careful. But the corporate lobbyists won’t allow this.

        3. Stop crypto currencies. The amount of energy used to mine Bitcoins and the like, which is just a Ponzi scheme, could supply a number of nations. But that isn’t kewl, so it won’t happen.

      51. @Buzz Mohawk

        Buzz, I remember an America of 200M people too. Anglo-Celts and Germanics are about the only people here who value the expanse. I don’t see anybody else out on the trails. Maybe we should switch our immigrants to Mongolians. Or the Japanese, who tend their island nation like a garden. I don’t know. On second thought they need all their good people.

        A friend once recalled to me how he got teary-eyed and sad for reasons he didn’t know when in elementary school he read that the frontier closed in the 1890s. This is instinctive; you can’t engraft it with the Pledge of Allegiance.

        “Massive population growth” – what is he talking about? 7.8 billion teeming masses in hilariously fungible jobs selling gewgaws to the other worker-drones aren’t enough? I don’t understand such people. They should have their own country to destroy.

        • Replies: @Corvinus
      52. Anonymous[182] • Disclaimer says:
        @Dumbo

        Do even people in a bubble like Yglesias think they will really live better in a country populated with one billion people, mostly immigrants?

        It is better to live in a more crowded country than to suffer another Holocaust at the hands of the White population.

      53. Matthew– like so many of his fellow Progs– still has yet to learn the meaning of the phrase “squaring a circle.”

      54. @black sea

        Thousands flee our iconic cities with their housing shortages and broken infrastructure . . .

        Our iconic cities are so crowded that nobody wants to be there any more. I think Random House must have hired Yogi Berra as its copywriter.

        • LOL: Forbes
        • Replies: @WJ
      55. TG says:

        Always we are told that more people means a bigger pie for all. Always we are told that we aren’t having ‘enough’ children, and the rich must force the population ever higher, and this will all be wonderful. Always we are lied to.

        A few decades ago Mexico looked set to become as prosperous as the United States and Canada. The elites deliberately ignited a population explosion, propagandizing that it was every woman’s patriotic duty to have seven kids to make Mexico “Bigger and better.” The result is that Mexico is nearly a failed state, with wages lower than China.

        The Syrian government banned the sale and use of contraceptives and also trumpeted that women should have enormous families. The population doubled in 18 years, then doubled again in the next 18 years, then … oops, the water ran out and things fell apart!

        The Ivory Coast used to be fairly prosperous. The elites used massive immigration to double the population, and the resulting poverty tore the country apart in a bloody civil war.

        I could go on like this for a long time. The people who insist that humans are domestic animals to be bred in large numbers for the benefit of the rich and their love of ever cheaper labor are lying scum.

      56. Barnard says:
        @Arclight

        I don’t know that he is trolling, I doubt a majority of open borders nuts understand those points. The only two causes they admit for any global problems are climate change and white supremacy. I can’t find it now or even remember the author, but I remember reading a column on Bloomberg Opinion five years ago or so suggesting it was a bad idea to let our population fall too far behind China so we should consider annexing Mexico. It was probably just a stupid way of getting the North American Union idea a lot of dumb elites have in the news.

      57. Jack D says:

        I haven’t read this book but I get the feeling that people here are getting it (at least half) wrong. Based on the blurb, Yglesias is advocating not just for increased immigration but for some very alt.righty things that people here would presumably agree with. He wants things that make family formation more affordable. He wants part of that billion to come from natural increase and not just from immigration.

        I liked the old, less crowded 200 million person America better too. But let’s say that Yglesias is right and that we need 1 billion people in order to compete with China. Let’s say that America’s leaders vow to do this in a way that will not allow or permit even 1 immigrant – it’s all going to have to come from natural increase. What could the USG do to accomplish this (and in a way that would not require paving over all our farmland or destroy the environment)? Wouldn’t many of these policies be ones that alt.righters favor? People here see red as soon as they see the “immi” word, but think beyond that.

        I see here the basis for a new deal with corporate America – we will give you the billion consumers that you want to buy your crap. But they are going to have to be made here and you are going to have to encourage policies that make that happen and not rely on cheap imports. American Made!

      58. ken says:

        I would love a USA of one billion if it was filled with Americans having children. Instead white men from roughly the 1950s onward decided to contracept themselves into a crisis.

      59. Al Bundy says:

        “Thinking Bigger” almost always means fake analysis and pointless speculation. I’m reminded of the early 2000s when Thomas Barnett’s was trendy in political and defense circles. His macro-geopolitical writing was basically a game of Risk imagined as reality–baseless speculation about connecting global economies and igniting democratic revolutions all over the globe. Reading his books, it was clear he had never actually traveled to any of the countries he planned to transform, nor did he possess any concrete knowledge beyond poli-sci paradigms.

        In this case, what skills or experience does Yglesias have to think about an America of a billion people? Does he have experience in urban infrastructure? Has he surveyed the land that will absorb the 600 million? Does he understand the power grid or water supply? All I see is that he has a podcast and a B.A. in philosophy.

      60. PSR says:
        @Buzz Mohawk

        “Once you throw away open land, by overpopulating it, it is gone forever — unless something big and tragic reduces the population.”

        During my lifetime I’ve seen the national parks I’ve loved – Grand Canyon, Zion, Yosemite, Yellowstone, Great Smoky Mountains – become choked with people and traffic. It’s sad that it will only get worse and I feel bad for young Americans who love the outdoors that they will never see those beautiful places as I was lucky enough to see them.

      61. Tim says:

        I really don’t believe even Yglesias believes this. Being provocative just gets him on TV, invited to speak, sells his books. He’ll say anything as long as it isn’t ACTUALLY provocative, like Ann Coulter.

        Yglesias would never say anything that would get him barred from campus, get people rioting outside the speech forum.

        It’s all very studied for him.

      62. Brobert says:
        @Anon7

        I read an interview with a lady from the 60 million immigrants project and, to my surprise, the journalist asked an obvious question about the incredible stress such a population explosion would put on Canada’s ressources. Apparently she couldn’t come up with a better answer than “a bigger population means more brains working to solve our problems”. Why create the problems in the first place was left unasked.

        Given how well connected to power the century intiative is, we can affirm our ruling class’ plan for the country is officially to open the immigration floodgates even wider and hope that, somehere along the way, Achmed will figure a way to keep the water drinkabke and the lights on.

        Don’t you sleep well at night knowing responsible people are in charge?

        • Replies: @Anon7
        , @ben tillman
      63. Considering we import people from mostly shithole countries, what makes Julio Mattie think America won’t simply become the Mother of All Shitholes?

      64. WJ says:
        @Jack D

        There is absolutely nothing about a 1 billion person America that is appealing. Home grown is horrible. Imported is beyond comprehension bad. If becoming an over-populated , polluted dung hole like China is the price for some kind of nationalist whim of “competing with China” then what is the point?

        This little worm Yglesias is trolling. No rational person takes this idea seriously.

      65. WJ says:
        @Hypnotoad666

        Wanting to live in a city and having to live in a city for work are two different things. Nothing contradictory about that post at all. The over-crowded cities of the East and West coast ( I wouldn’t call any of our cities Iconic) crowded low quality of life sewers. The rich can do well there but for the middle class still working for Dupont or Boeing, etc. as wage slave, life is getting worse. Hell, even here in the Front Range, traffic and people everywhere, including the mountains,has made the area a pale shadow of what it used to be.

      66. AndrewR says:
        @JohnnyWalker123

        She and Epstein are probably banging some shiksas right now

      67. @Jack D

        Compete with China? WTF is this? Perhaps we should ban all imports from China, and curtail student visas from China, as a tentative first step before tripling our population as a response. And if our political establishment was prepared to take steps to ensure that the tripling of our population was only done by natural increase, we would not be posting on unz right now. Steve Sailer would be a mainstream opinion columnist in a major national newspaper. That is not out world. And if it was, Americans would be much better off anyway without the need for a larger population.

      68. AndrewR says:
        @ben tillman

        I obviously object to his insane proposal, and I don’t know the timeline he envisions, but this tripling could probably be done in a century without too much destabilization. As for our standards of living, it’s not like those are going to go up anyway. Baby boomers sold out all foreseeable future generations for their own comfort.

        • Troll: Charon
      69. @Paleo Liberal

        Even the left stopped believing in Global warming and now call it “climate change”

        The warmest years remain 1998 and 20016 , both years had big El Niño events and both years were statistically equivalent , within the margin of error of .005 degrees of each other. The Earth has been cooling now for the past 3 years.

        No significant warming since 1998 , no rising sea levels , and we still have snow in winter.

        Global wArming actually would bring more benefits to humanity than harm. The planet has become greener thanks to increased CO2 levels.

        The Earths climate is always changing, warmer periods are followed by colder periods. Humans thrive during the warmer periods and struggle during the colder times.

        • Agree: Kratoklastes
        • Disagree: HammerJack
        • Troll: Mr. Rational
      70. Malenfant says:
        @Jack D

        It’s as simple as this: Pro-natalist policies and the expansion of domestic industry are good things in themselves, whereas immigration from non-Western/non-European countries has proven ruinously bad. If Yglesias is proposing we reach One Billion Americans solely via the former, then I think that’s something that almost everybody here should in principle. (But he is burying the lede a little bit!) If he’s saying that we must relax immigration controls to expand our population — to any extent — nothing could be more pernicious.

        He seems to be saying that we do need to relax our immigration controls, so it seems to me that he deserves every bit of criticism he’s taking here.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
        , @Anonymous
      71. dcthrowback says: • Website

        I assume owning a $1.2M townhome in Dupont Circle (as Yglesias does) would only go up in value if this plan were fully instituted.

        • Replies: @anonymous
      72. @Jack D

        so Yglesias wants to ban pornography & encourage women to stay home from work & pay workers more & reduce immigration? sounds like he wants to MAGA IYKWIM

      73. @Jack D

        People here see red as soon as they see the “immi” word

        I know! I really have no idea why.

      74. nebulafox says:
        @Arclight

        He writes for Vox. I’m afraid he really is this stupid.

      75. peterike says:
        @Paleo Liberal

        So the right wing denies that global warming even exists, despite the fact that the past 5 years were the 5 warmest years ever recorded.

        Lol! “Ever recorded” means in about the last 100 years or less. It’s just a cheap propaganda trick. We know quite well that long periods in the past like the Roman Climate Optimum and Medieval Warming Period were significantly warmer than the earth is today, and with no SUVs!

        Despite the fact that the much despised models either accurately predicted the current global warming or even underestimated the damage.

        Yeah but…

        Throughout Glacier National Park, visitors were met with signs, brochures and messages proclaiming that all of the Park’s glaciers were expected to melt away by 2020. But by 2019 NOT EVEN ONE of the glaciers had disappeared. During the winter of 2018-2019–while the St. Mary Visitor Center was closed to the public–the government quietly altered the ‘Gone by 2020’ signs.

        Hmmm, well there’s ONE prediction that was dramatically wrong. But hey, we can just delete the past and pretend we never said that.

        And oh, woops, the oceans are cooling.

        https://notrickszone.com/2020/01/02/unsettled-scientists-find-ocean-heat-content-and-earths-energy-imbalance-in-decline-since-2000/

        But don’t worry, the diligent climate stewards at NASA will “re-adjust” their models, as they have repeatedly done, and voila! We’re back to warming again.

        • Agree: International Jew
        • Replies: @International Jew
      76. istevefan says:
        @Jack D

        But let’s say that Yglesias is right and that we need 1 billion people in order to compete with China. Let’s say that America’s leaders vow to do this in a way that will not allow or permit even 1 immigrant – it’s all going to have to come from natural increase.

        First, China’s is trying to shed population and will shed due to their self-imposed low birth rates. Having a billion people in one nation is evidently not a good idea as both China and India seem to have found out. So the idea that we will need a billion people to compete with China is not valid because China doesn’t even seem to want to have a billion people.

        Second, it’s not total population that is the driving factor. A lot has to do with the development of your population’s potential and your infrastructure and institutions. Note that Great Britain was able to compete well with larger nations. They out competed larger France, and they even managed to colonize India which had several times their population.

        Third, even if we were to increase our population to one billion with the increase coming from Whites alone, it would still not be a good idea. It’s an issue of scale. How large can we scale up a nation and still keep the things we like?

        Fourth, what is it with the need to be number one? We currently have been number one for quite some time and look at what it has gotten us. We have the most powerful military in history, yet cannot defend our own borders. We have the largest GDP in history, yet we still have a lot of our fellow citizens doing poorly and killing themselves out of despair. We became the sole super power on the backs of a demographic that is now being actively replaced by its own government. How could China being number one be any worse for the average American than what its own government has done?

        Competing with China is not my top worry. As you wrote in another post, you think people make too much out of the so called clash of civilizations. So if you believe that, what difference does it make if China is above us? After all the average Swiss, Israeli, Norwegian, Japanese, etc., is better off than the average Chinese or Indian despite the latter out competing them economically. Why should it be any different for us?

        • Replies: @Jack D
        , @Anonymous
      77. Maybe we need more americanized chinese from places like Taiwan to fight china although I doubt it. We certainly DO NOT need more ooga booga people with zero ability to contribute to a high tech economy.

      78. @ben tillman

        It was supposedly a proposal floated briefly early in the Obama administration, to replace 401K’s with a thing called a guaranteed retirement account. There were (and are) some in DC who really, really dislike the tax advantaged feature of 401K’s, and undoubtedly there are some who dislike the idea of private retirement accounts at all. Most people didn’t take the idea of 401K seizure seriously back then, but the Democrats have lurched so far to the left that I could see someone like AOC and all the half wits like her jump on that bandwagon.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      79. SFG says:
        @Paleo Liberal

        Decrease immigration, fight global warming…I think I may be the only person who agrees with you.

        Oh, and I believe in HBD and the Holocaust, while we’re at it.

        • Replies: @nebulafox
        , @HA
      80. While we tie ourselves into knots trying to stop the flow of immigrants,

        I think he means “While we tie ourselves in knots trying to stop attempts to stop the flow of immigrants”.

        We need to get bigger, much bigger. We need one billion Americans.

        What America needs is a three-child policy. Natalism tends to be somewhat dysgenic, but it is better than mass immigration, which in the current age is completely dysgenic.

        Fewer children are born each year due to financial pressure.

        “Financial pressure” is seen as something like atmospheric pressure, totally beyond political control.

      81. SFG says:

        OH GOD NO.

        Trump (or some surrogate) should promote the hell out of this book to show what a mind-numbingly stupid plan the left has for America.

        Sure, they’ll get their permanent progressive majority, right before the whole thing collapses into civil war.

      82. fnn says:

        Note that Great Britain was able to compete well with larger nations. They out competed larger France, and they even managed to colonize India which had several times their population.

        But around 1900 they found they couldn’t compete with newly united Germany and thought war was the best solution. We have to be careful not to repeat that mistake.

      83. nebulafox says:
        @SFG

        I agree with both of you.

        I also think Operation IRANIAN FREEDOM is an extremely bad idea and think we should GTFO of that part of the world, while simultaneously having no sympathy for people trying to take the lives of American citizens, as Soleimani almost certainly was about to do.

        We should start a new party. Call it the Reality Party.

        • Agree: Paleo Liberal
      84. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:

        When I see the case for a billion people living in the USA (let’s not call them Americans), the counterpoint immediately occurs to me – the case for one less Yglesias. Where? Maybe Haaretz could pay for his content, I don’t know.

        But then I think in this election year we need Yglesias. He is like the anti-Sailer. Coming from a blogging background, he has easily entered the professional opinion writing fray, elevated as a distinguished talking head on television by the establishment, never having had to beg his readers for some cash to feed his family and replace an aging car with its dilapidated interior.

        The visceral anger we feel at this distillation of elite Jewish thought – handily bound together in book form without so much as even a single Shabbos Goy intermediary to rubber stamp a signature on it and pose for a dustcover photo – this is a propaganda gold mine. The reality is that we need this book more than ever and its rich, delicious quotes in all their clickbaity glory.

        • Agree: Kolya Krassotkin
      85. @JohnnyWalker123

        No, no. Jack D and others around here keep telling me that Jews are no more represented among our enemies than WASPy types. Jews are just another cog in the wheel with no greater influence or animosity toward gentile whites than, well, gentile whites. Don’t believe you’re lying eyes.

      86. Dan Smith says:

        Now we can be sure. Yglesias has not recovered brain function since being mugged in 2011. He is not a conservative yet, either.

      87. @JohnnyWalker123

        I’m beginning to understand why the Jews don’t respect gentile whites. We’re pathetic. At this point, Jews are like that girlfriend who literally tries to get her boyfriend mad because she’s lost all respect for him, and of course, he won’t get mad, which makes her hate him even more.

        • Agree: Mr McKenna
        • Replies: @GodHelpUs
        , @Corvinus
      88. @JohnnyWalker123

        ‘It doesn’t get any more complicated than that.’

        It’s hard not to find an explanation in it, though.

      89. ATBOTL says:
        @JohnnyWalker123

        The Israeli government systematically raped at least dozens and probably hundreds of very young white girls. The Israeli government is no different from the Pakistani rape gang in Rotherham. They need to be treated accordingly by all white people. The state Israel needs to become an absolute pariah and be treated like al-Qaeda. Israel raped our kids. That needs to be stated every time Israel comes up.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        , @Anonymous
      90. @Jack D

        ‘… I liked the old, less crowded 200 million person America better too. But let’s say that Yglesias is right and that we need 1 billion people in order to compete with China…’

        ‘Competing with China’ in this sense isn’t actually an attractive proposition.

      91. @Buzz Mohawk

        “Once you throw away open land, by overpopulating it, it is gone forever — unless something big and tragic reduces the population.”

        A little over a half-century ago DuPage County, IL was just loaded with fertile farm land; now it’s chock full of developments. DuPage used to be loaded with rock solid Republicans who were a counterbalance to the communists in Cook County; the City of Aurora now has an assault weapon ban.

        Lots of foreigners in once virtually Whitetopia there:

        The population of DuPage County, IL is 66.9% White Alone, 14.4% Hispanic or Latino, and 11.6% Asian Alone. 28.3% of the people in DuPage County, IL speak a non-English language, and 92.2% are U.S. citizens.

        https://datausa.io/profile/geo/dupage-county-il

        Heck, they used to hunt deer on the outskirts of Naperville.

        All GONE FOREVER.

        • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
      92. istevefan says:
        @Jack D

        But let’s say that Yglesias is right and that we need 1 billion people

        I forgot to add this in my prior comment, what if he is wrong? If Yglesias recommended a certain tax rate that turned out to be bad, we could readily correct it. You can’t do that if you add 666 million people. That mistake would be here to stay.

        • Agree: Mr McKenna
      93. @Jack D

        Has anyone ever seen Jack and Johann Ricke in a room at the same time?

        Agree: Johann Ricke

        • LOL: ben tillman
      94. @Buzz Mohawk

        Well, Jews were never much into farming and rural living now were they.

      95. Jack D says:
        @istevefan

        Why should it be any different for us?

        The REASON the the average Swiss, Israeli, Norwegian, Japanese, etc., is better off than the average Chinese or Indian is because of us. They all live under the umbrella of the Pax Americana. This is the White Man’s Burden that Britain carried before us (and it bankrupted them). Without the US providing the military, political and financial structure for the modern world economy it all falls to shit. There is no one waiting in the wings, not even the Chinese, who are willing and capable of taking it up. The same thing will happen as happened when Rome fell apart.

        Whether we really need a billion people to do this is a different question but the US can’t retire from the scene any more than Michael Corleone could have a quiet retirement. Once you have chosen that role, there is no going back. The people who think that we can just pack up and go back to Washington’s idea of “no foreign entanglements” are dreaming – there’s no going back, not if you want to live.

      96. anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:

        This seems to be a thing now.

        There’s a similar push for a massive increase in immigration to Canada.

        We have an unlikely partnership of financiers and minority advocates now promoting the idea that Canada should have a population of 100-million by the end of the century. They are calling it ‘The Century Initiative’

        Is it strange that the targets being set here are proportionally pretty much identical to what Mr. Yglesias is suggesting for America?

        http://www.centuryinitiative.ca

      97. Jack D says:
        @ATBOTL

        Hundreds? Are you sure it wasn’t thousands or millions? First of all, those girls weren’t raped – they were underage prostitutes who willingly performed for money. They were “raped” only under some extreme feminist notion of rape under which you are probably a “rapist” too. Decades later they have decided that they were underpaid. This is not called rape, it’s called seller’s remorse.

        2nd the Israeli government didn’t do this. So far the evidence for any link between the Israeli government and Jeffery Epstein consists of a lot of hand waving. Even if Epstein was an Israeli agent it doesn’t mean that they endorsed his sexual proclivities. Probably they would prefer if their agents acted discretely and stayed out of trouble with the law.

        But feel free to make hyperbolic statements that are self-discrediting because they are so over the top.

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
        , @GodHelpUs
      98. anon[324] • Disclaimer says:

        Steve –
        OT yet related, since we did the Apollo mission with a much smaller population. A population that actually did “thinking” as in analytical thought and rational thought. (instead of merely emoting)

        In the underbrush of the World Wide Interweb, I stumbled over a way to obtain the source code for Apollo 11:

        http://geekswithblogs.net/JeremyMorgan/archive/2019/07/18/you-can-get-the-source-code-for-apollo-11-and.aspx

        Also reminds me of the ret-con AA flick “Hidden Figures” – but in the case of the Apollo 11 assembler code programs that ran the spacecraft, a woman named Margaret Hamilton at MIT was the lead. Apparently the term “Software Engineer” was coined due to Margaret.

        (Don’t tell anyone, but she was White! eeeeek!!)

        The photo of the stack of computer program printouts as tall as Margaret is amusing to our spoiled tech age.

        I hope this comment is a rich mine of iSteve content ore. Like good pay dirt for the boys on TV’s GOLD RUSH.

        Happy New Year, 2020 MAGA, KAG.

        • Replies: @The Alarmist
      99. istevefan says:
        @Jack D

        This is the White Man’s Burden that Britain carried before us (and it bankrupted them).

        The White Man’s Burden was about civilizing the world by spreading our ideas and technology. It was never about inviting the world in and handing our nations over to them. How this switch happened, I don’t know. But at this point there is no utility for people of European descent to support this any longer.

        Whether or not the future world economy falls to shit is immaterial compared to whether or not future Europeans still remain safe and in control of their nations.

        • Agree: HammerJack
      100. Daniel H says:

        Housing for 1 billion people.

        Transportation for 1 billion people.

        The environment for 1 billion people.

        Education (and religion too) for 1 billion people.

        But we are American, we are exceptional, in possession of that magic dirt. We can overcome any challenge, all we have to do is put our minds to the problem………….Yeah, right.

        These people are truly wicked. That is the only explanation.

      101. Daniel H says:
        @Arclight

        He’s clearly just trolling

        But he’s not trolling. He and his ilk are sincere, they mean what they say, and they intend to achieve their goals, one way or another, and they are winning. Every year we import 1 million+ immigrants, and the immigrants and their descendants will come to dominate our politics – a Trump here or there notwithstanding – and they will implement an open borders policy to bring in any and all of their own kind. They are winning. They are winning. They are winning.

        • Agree: HammerJack
      102. Neoconned says:

        I read a news article the other month saying that just in the Dallas/FW metro construction costs had risen 20% in the last 3 odd years due to a labor shortage in the construction industry….mainly due to the fact all the now middle aged white and black construction workers who were underbid by cheap Latino labor in the 2000s have now either died, moved on to other careers or trades or simply retired.

        My foreman in my casino banquet set up crew used to be a general contractor. He built 3 story mansions. He told me the stress killed it for him.

        So simple question….whos going to build all that new swanky housing and other assorted infrastructure? Assuming of course you can get it thru the labyrinth of lawyers, permits, environmental laws etc?

        Arthritic 50 year old white dudes with bad knees and backs? LOL

        You’ll pay that Latino labor if you want anything done AND you’ll pay more for that labor as well.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      103. @Jack D

        It’s never been about the economy or China with Yglesias and his crew, something you already know Jack.

        It is and always has been about transforming the United States into a multi-everything bazaar where no one group – especially Christian whites – can turn the power of the entire society against Yglesias’ people.

        That’s what this is about. It’s what it’s always about. Not sure why some many around here don’t want to admit the obvious.

      104. @Jack D

        they would prefer if their agents acted discretely

        How does one act “discretely”? Is it the opposite of multitasking?

      105. Neoconned says:
        @JohnnyWalker123

        I think her dad was Jewish doesn’t that make her an Israeli citizen?

      106. @Joe Stalin

        I sometimes drive through that area on I-88. All suburbs now. My brother worked at Fermilab about 30 years ago, and Aurora was still the sticks.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
        , @Reg Cæsar
      107. anon[236] • Disclaimer says:

        Matty Yglesias has a book to sell. It’s one way he makes money. So yeah, in a sense he’s trolling – trolling for the Bennies.

        When the self anointed elites start acting as if AGW is real, instead of just talking , maybe it will be time to take them seriously.

        But for now – Drake is a believer in AGW. That’s why he has access to a private Boeing 767, because muh Carbon FOOTprint!

        lol

        https://simpleflying.com/air-drake/

      108. Anonymous[182] • Disclaimer says:
        @Jack D

        But let’s say that Yglesias is right and that we need 1 billion people in order to compete with China.

        We must “compete with China”? Why?

        And what does “competing with China” even mean?

        • Replies: @anon
      109. Another 666,666,666 Americans will do wonders for global carbon emissions.

        The number of a million, thousand and one beasts?

        Laurence C Smith explains how it will be only marginally better should they stay home:

        Consider, for example, how the material needs for electricity, plastics, rare earth metals, and processed food must leap by many multiples in order to meet the requirements of a modern urban consumer living in Shanghai, as opposed to that same individual toiling away as a low-technology agrarian peasant in the countryside. In China alone, the massive rural-to-urban migration now underway promises 1 billion new urban consumers by 2050, despite zero population growth in that country…

        China has used more concrete in a third of the last decade than the U.S. did in the entire 20th century. That’s why entire beaches are being stolen.

        My UCLA colleague Jared Diamond calculates that if everyone alive today were to adopt the current lifestyles of North Americans, Western Europeans, Japanese and Australians, global resource consumption would rise eleven-fold. It would be as if the world population suddenly rose from 7 billion to 72 billion.

        That, to me, is scarier than a +40% increase in total population…

        https://www.edge.org/response-detail/23714

        The prosperity bomb.

        Happy birthday, Greta!

      110. Anonymous[182] • Disclaimer says:
        @Citizen of a Silly Country

        It is and always has been about transforming the United States into a multi-everything bazaar where no one group – especially Christian whites – can turn the power of the entire society against Yglesias’ people.

        That is only part of it, if it is any part at all.

        Turning the United States into a mostly brown, multiethnic bazaar creates an environment in which it is easier for Jews to compete, both as to the sexual market and as to the economic one.

      111. GodHelpUs says:
        @Citizen of a Silly Country

        Mistaking Americans’ niceness for weakness was the mistake the Japanese made. The result was the incineration of every major city in Japan.

        America’s enemies are becoming too careless to tread lightly. When the sleeping giant wakes up there will be hell to pay.

      112. Daniel H says:

        I liked the old, less crowded 200 million person America better too. But let’s say that Yglesias is right and that we need 1 billion people in order to compete with China.

        This flippin fallacy is repeated time and again. I question the motives of those who keep repeating it. We DON’T NEED TO COMPETE and COME OUT ON TOP WITH CHINA or anybody else, for that matter. There will be no harm to us or the world if great new advances are invented in China, or anyplace else for that matter, rather than in the USA. It will not harm us in any way if China’s GDP, either absolute or per capita, surpasses our own. It will not harm us in any way if every flippin Nobel prize is awarded to a Chinese. It will not harm us in any way if the Chinese sweep EVERY Olympic gold medal. It will not harm us if the Chinese colonize Mars, or if they find a cure for cancer. It will not harm is if Shanghai becomes the dominant financial center and Wall street is relegated to a branch office. It will not harm us if China builds railways, ports and highways in Africa, Afghanistan or wherever else they wish to waste their money. China (or Russia) will not harm us.

        Uruguay invents nothing, but they have plenty of Samsungs, Apples, Mercedes, Toyotas, Fords, etc…Their doctors treat and cure broken bones, heart disease, cancer, diabetes, etc.. Uruguyans wear fashionable and well made clothes. They live in beautiful, spacious houses, with ample plots for gardens. Uruguay wins few to no Olympic medals but the people are healthy, sane and good looking. Most importantly, Uruguyans have Uruguay.

        Would you rather live in Montevideo or Beijing? Montevideo or Tokyo? Montevideo or London? If all you give a buck about are rankings, indicators and $$$ I know what you will choose, but a man with a soul/heart, a man who is a man, not a drone would chose Montevideo any day. Mark those who keep relying upon that fallacy that America (or anybody else for that matter) must always be on top of every damn indicator. Know who they are. They are your enemy.

        We don’t need to be top dog. We don’t need to the “the world’s only superpower”. We simply need to be who we are: Americans, largely white, largely Christian, inhabiting a land that will sustain not jut our life but our spirit too.

        Montevideo

        https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/view-of-plaza-independencia-in-montevideo-downtown-uruguay-picture-id1059431000?s=612×612

        Typical Uruguyan girls. No tats, piercings, fentanyl. No trannies in Uruguay.

        For Steve. Lots of Golf in Uruguay too

        https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT6niUeK-_FOHRWaYz9c8-4JCeQ0fgp_oJ_WPhGpk1CkgEv_BVzHA&s

        Punta del Este. What’s not to like?

        • Agree: ben tillman
        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
        , @Charon
      113. Forbes says:
        @JohnnyWalker123

        It’s a mystery…

        Thousands flee our iconic cities with their housing shortages … our exhausted economy deflates the heartland’s already shrinking population.

        Where do they go? Where do they end up? Do they disappear? You’ll never get to one billion this way…

      114. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
        @ken

        Thats not yours. POC dont make good plains and farmfolk. More mercantile middle men types.

        Dont come here.

      115. @Jack D

        The REASON the the average Swiss, Israeli, Norwegian, Japanese, etc., is better off than the average Chinese or Indian is because of us. They all live under the umbrella of the Pax Americana.

        The average Russian and other non-Westerner doesn’t give a damn about politically-correct Western notions about what countries are supposed to do with their military establishments. They understand that the point of armies is to acquire land and prestige for the rulers. And as soon as Pax Americana disappears, armies will march for the same reason mountain climbers seek the next summit – glory.

        • Replies: @Lot
      116. Anonymous[337] • Disclaimer says:
        @Paleo Liberal

        You get out to plano and there its still that mentality. They refer to Chicago as though it were a separate region.

      117. @Paleo Liberal

        While the population of nearby Sugar Grove is still 85% white, it has sextupled since I passed through in the mid-’80s.

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugar_Grove,_Illinois#Demographics (They make you scroll.)

        https://datausa.io/profile/geo/sugar-grove-il/

        https://sugargroveedc.org/mapsplans/ The tiny downtown inset was the whole village in 1985!

      118. You know, I never thought I’d see the day that a liberal would advocate for massive population increase. I’m old enough to remember how we had to achieve ZPG to “save the Earth”.

      119. GodHelpUs says:
        @Jack D

        First of all, those girls weren’t raped – they were underage prostitutes who willingly performed for money. They were “raped” only under some extreme feminist notion of rape under which you are probably a “rapist” too. Decades later they have decided that they were underpaid. This is not called rape, it’s called seller’s remorse.

        This is sick, Jack. If you honestly believe this then you are beyond redemption. I hope for your own sake that your thoughts do not represent those of your community. You reap what you sow.

        • Replies: @Jack D
      120. anon[251] • Disclaimer says:
        @Citizen of a Silly Country

        It is and always has been about transforming the United States into a multi-everything bazaar where no one group – especially Christian whites – can turn the power of the entire society against Yglesias’ people.

        Bingo. Can we call it “Lebanonization”? That worked out well. Until it didn’t.

        Plus we Deplorables all get to live in something like a dormitory

        https://news.yahoo.com/capsule-living-cheap-option-young-people-flocking-la-161917564.html?guccounter=1

        And eat bugs…

        https://www.thebalancesmb.com/edible-insects-as-sustainable-food-alternatives-4153360

        What’s not to like?

      121. Yeah. More welfare. The idiots on here are really going to go for that.

        Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps. Go ahead. Do it. Show me how you do it. Try it. I’ll give a hundred bucks to the first guy who actually can pull himself up by his own bootstraps.

        Fucking ignorant libertarian scum.

      122. MEH 0910 says:

        Matthew Yglesias craves high population density much like a rat infected with Toxoplasma gondii craves cat pee. It’s like he’s under the influence of a parasite searching for new hosts.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behavior-altering_parasite

        Toxoplasma gondii induces behavioral changes in rats by infecting central nervous system neurons.

      123. @Brás Cubas

        Hi Steve. I reread this comment and it has an unintended flavor of irony.

        I just asked Ron Unz to republish Alain de Benoist and I guess that is proof that I like Benoist. Ergo, that I appreciate you too.

        Maybe you’d better trash it, and this reply too. Anyway, it is your call.

        All the best.

      124. Anon7 says:
        @ben tillman

        Ever since Argentina seized tens of billions in retirement savings, because the government needed money, Leftists have been salivating. There are about 28 trillion dollars in retirement accounts, and that’s real money.

        The government could just seize the money, or treat it the way Fauxcohantas wants to treat assets, and tax them (in other words, seize parts of them).

        • Replies: @ben tillman
      125. Anon7 says:
        @Brobert

        “Don’t you sleep well at night knowing responsible people are in charge?”

        smh

        The world’s wealthy people and the managers of giant investment funds see the United States as a big beautiful field that is only partly planted with money-making crops. Why not “plant” the rest of it? You could fit at least three times as many people in, and they’d all need housing, food, health care, toothbrushes and every damn thing. The empty space in the US represents money left on the table.

      126. “America is in decline.”

        the only part he got correct.

        • Agree: black sea
      127. Anon[398] • Disclaimer says:

        “Make the world a giant Taco Bell” – libertarians circa 2020

        • Replies: @anon
      128. Anonymous[404] • Disclaimer says:
        @ken

        Yep.

        And so does Antarctica.

        Just what is your *point*?

        • Replies: @ken
      129. anon[251] • Disclaimer says:
        @Realist

        The catch is…they won’t be White.

        Feature. Not bug.

      130. Mr. XYZ says:
        @JohnnyWalker123

        He’s the epitome of Hispanic Genius. Seriously.

      131. @Daniel H

        Uruguay invents nothing, but they have plenty of Samsungs, Apples, Mercedes, Toyotas, Fords, etc…

        And even a Fab Four of their own. Ferry cross the Plate:

      132. @Buzz Mohawk

        There is way more open land in Africa than there is here. Africa is the most sparsely populated continent other than Antarctica. Why don’t these ass hats go there?

      133. Alfa158 says:
        @Jake

        The scorpion has no control over its impulsive to sting the frog. That is its nature. The frog should have had the self control and foresight to refuse to give the scorpion a ride across the river.
        Matt thinks his people will just have a new frog to go on carrying them across. I don’t know if that is true or not. He has already been bopped over the head and robbed by one of the new frogs, but learned nothing from it.

      134. @Bill Jones

        Thanks for pointing this out. I will use it.

      135. Corvinus says:

        “The logic is very simple: If immigrants from poor countries successfully assimilate to American norms of earning and consuming, they, and their descendents, will emit vastly more carbon than if they stayed home.”

        Not if concerted efforts are made to change American norms through a staunch commitment to reduce CO2 emissions and discourage wasteful habits, Mr. Sailer.

        Please also NOTICE that resource extraction has more than tripled since 1970 and continues to accelerate, even though the population has only doubled in that time, according to the United Nations’ Global Resources Outlook 2019. Indonesia and Brazil in particular have growing economies thanks to outside investment.

        Interesting how those developing countries that emit the least pollution generally have gimmedats and free stuff, I mean raw materials, that the world covets, so China and the U.S. are moving there and bringing their problems along the way. And those same nations have the least amount of infrastructure to deal with climatic changes, so they lack the ability to adapt compared to their more technologically advanced brethren.

        “Another 666,666,666 Americans will do wonders for global carbon emissions.”

        What if those 222,222,222 were white? Would that be OK, then, to invite them in? Asking for a friend…

        • Replies: @adreadline
      136. @Anonymous

        How about a holocaust at the hands of the dark people? They know how to do it, too.

        Anyway, I am pretty sure that this is the country of white people who ended that holocaust you mention.

      137. Corvinus says:
        @Citizen of a Silly Country

        “I’m beginning to understand why the Jews don’t respect gentile whites. We’re pathetic.”

        You can speak for yourself as a white person. Normies are strong, proud people. You really underestimate us.

        “At this point, Jews are like that girlfriend who literally tries to get her boyfriend mad because she’s lost all respect for him, and of course, he won’t get mad, which makes her hate him even more.”

        Or maybe the guy is playing 16D chess because he is cool and sly, still gets what he wants from her, and let’s her think she is in control.

      138. SafeNow says:

        And, to further dilute, starting now, everyone is to be called “Doctor.” A doctorate degree would be conferred at the middle-school graduation. This would level status differentials at every encounter. “Doctor, Gimmee your wallet. Yes, doctor.” Parent to teen: “Doctor, dinner is ready.” And so on.

      139. black sea says:
        @ken

        America has plenty of open land.

        And would like to keep it that way.

        • Replies: @silviosilver
        , @ken
      140. jrl says:

        I suspect this is one of those policies that’s fairly common among certain elites, but not discussed much in public because it would be unpopular among the vast majority of people who would be unable to avoid the negative effects. For example, here’s demographer Joseph Chamie writing in 2013:

        https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/us-could-be-worlds-most-populous-country

        There is also a section of Tyler Cowen’s Average is Over that recommends growing the US population to over 1 billion to compete with China.

        There is a sort of internal logic to it, as China and US are almost the same geographical size but the US has a much smaller population.

        • Replies: @Abelard Lindsey
        , @Medvedev
      141. ken says:
        @Anonymous

        If the US ever had a population of 1 billion there would still be tons of open land.

        • Replies: @istevefan
      142. @danand

        Remember back when we were all going to be turning Japanese, circa 1989?

        Yep!

      143. BUY LAND

        Foreigners are buying USA land at an incredible rate.

        BUY LAND

        Check out rural land near or fairly near where you live and see who owns it: lots of companies on the coasts

        BUY LAND

        It means there is less of it for them to buy, develop, etc. Let a farmer grow hay on it and you only pay agriculture tax rates that are .1% of residential rates.

        BUY LAND

        Starve the beast.

        BUY LAND

        You will own the water rights and it will keep corporations from using the water.

        BUY LAND

        If you must sell, sell to an American that you know, not a company or front man.

      144. anon[527] • Disclaimer says:
        @Anon

        Cheap Chalupas is what life is all about. It’s who we are.

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
      145. @black sea

        Sadly, that one billion could reside in only 30% of the territory of the lower 48 at a population density not much greater than today’s Netherlands, which of course would leave plenty of open land.

        The planners of this nightmare, this Hail Mary throw to save a faltering globalist liberal hegemony, needn’t concern themselves about “overpopulation” at all – and justifiably so.

      146. bomag says:
        @Anon7

        What you say, but the cities are built and expand upon the best land. Soon enough, Toronto expands to cover all the arable land in Canada, and the Yglesias’s of the world wonder why we can’t have nice things.

        The movie Soylent Green took place in year 2020. Just sayin’.

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
      147. Jack D says:
        @GodHelpUs

        I speak only for myself. I get the feeling though that if the accused was say Donald Trump instead of Jeffrey Epstein and was being accused of being a Russian agent rather than an Israeli one (all other facts being equal) that many here would not be so eager to accept these girl’s claims and label him a rapist and condemn all of Russia for his acts.

        The law imposes the fiction that a girl of 16 or 17 (depending on what state you are in) is not capable of giving consent even though she appears to give consent and eagerly accepts your money and come back freely and repeatedly for more. This is a legal fiction and does not necessarily reflect the actual facts. I really can’t get excited about such neo-Victorian feminist moral posturing given that our country now resembles Sodom and Gomorrah with the full assent of the Supreme Court. Any time the law does not reflect the actual behavior of the population you have to question it. If sexual intercourse with a young woman before her 18th birthday is always rape, then better than half the women in America have been “raped” and accordingly half the male population should be in jail for doing this.

        • Agree: BB753
      148. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:

        File photo. He seems happy in this one.

        • Replies: @MEH 0910
      149. Daniel H says:
        @silviosilver

        Sadly, that one billion could reside in only 30% of the territory of the lower 48 at a population density not much greater than today’s Netherlands, which of course would leave plenty of open land.

        The planners of this nightmare, this Hail Mary throw to save a faltering globalist liberal hegemony, needn’t concern themselves about “overpopulation” at all – and justifiably so.

        The Netherlands is overpopulated, as are many European nations. There is no wilderness, wild forest, open plan, bare mountain, uninhabited desert in the Netherlands. The entire country is a blanket of small towns, tiny villages, small-holding farms, the occasional gardened forest reserve or marsh and a few big cities. There is nowhere to escape. The Dutch keep it together because they are white, intelligent, efficient….well, because they are Dutch. An America with such a population density across the land would be an absolute nightmare, as much of the east coast already is. But if you are the type of man who values things such as packaged entertainment, innumerable shopping venues, professional sports, big TVs, roads everywhere, exotic restaurants……well, don’t stop at 1 billion, keep on going, go to 3, 5, 10 billion.

        • Agree: bomag
        • Replies: @Goddard
      150. anon[282] • Disclaimer says:
        @Arclight

        It’s a more like bargaining negotiations and psychological anchoring. If you talk about numbers like one-billion, all of a sudden 1.5 or 2 million per year doesn’t sound like much. It sounds pretty reasonable to the non-hyperinformed.

        • Replies: @Charon
      151. Charon says:
        @Anon7

        When demographic change finally gives the Democrats the Presidency and both houses of Congress, they will enfranchise the 25 million illegals and our fate will be sealed

        Oh, you mean like this year?

      152. @jrl

        For example, here’s demographer Joseph Chamie writing in 2013:

        https://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/us-could-be-worlds-most-populous-country

        The part about “renewable sources of energy” is particularly funny.

      153. istevefan says:
        @ken

        Unused land and other natural resources in America are a resource for our future generations. The time might come when certain farmlands are no longer productive and we might need to use other land. We might need various deposits of coal, oil, underground water etc., for future use too. Why squander them today on the surplus populations of other nations?

        • Agree: ben tillman
        • Replies: @ken
      154. @Jack D

        The law imposes the fiction that a girl of 16 or 17 (depending on what state you are in) is not capable of giving consent even though she appears to give consent and eagerly accepts your money and come back freely and repeatedly for more. This is a legal fiction and does not necessarily reflect the actual facts. I really can’t get excited about such neo-Victorian feminist moral posturing given that our country now resembles Sodom and Gomorrah with the full assent of the Supreme Court. Any time the law does not reflect the actual behavior of the population you have to question it. If sexual intercourse with a young woman before her 18th birthday is always rape, then better than half the women in America have been “raped” and accordingly half the male population should be in jail for doing this.

        Leaving this aside, since antiquity, puberty has *always* been considered the age of adulthood. If you’re old enough to have kids – you’re old enough to marry, and that’s the age of consent. That’s why they have bat mitzvahs and quinceaneras – to mark the coming of age. It’s a little strange that high age of consent laws imposed by the Christian clerics who also got alcohol prohibition going are now considered immutable, when they are only a century old.

        • Agree: Jack D
      155. Another 666,666,666 Americans will do wonders for global carbon emissions.

        If you double the number of humans, you double their environmental impact.

        Not just carbon emissions, but every form of human pollution.

        Population growth is the #1 environmental problem, but it’s not a politically useful topic, so we don’t hear about it…

        • Agree: Mr. Rational
      156. @silviosilver

        The Netherlands has water. Lots of it. Rains a lot there.

        The US has quite a bit of arid areas. There are areas which are either (a) depleting their aquifers, which are gone forever when they are gone, or (b) dependent on snow melt, which will probably decrease with global warming or (c) dependent on plentiful rainfall, but in areas which are getting substantially drier with climate change, or (d) in areas which are getting MORE water due to climate change, but wind up with flooding because the areas cannot handle the extra water.

        Also, do we really WANT to be as crowded as the Netherlands?

        • Replies: @silviosilver
      157. @ken

        America has plenty of open land in the sense that a 23-year-old vibrant NFL player has plenty of money, or in the sense that a 27-year-old career woman has plenty of time to have a baby. You’d be amazed by how rapidly it can be pissed away.

        There’s nothing more depressing than watching wide-open spaces being turned into townhouse complexes and “lifestyle centers” (glorified strip malls).

        This morning I took the Florida Turnpike from Kendall to Homestead for the first time in about six months. Years ago, it was a quiet four-lane highway surrounded by vast expanses of green as far as the eye could see. Now most of the road is a ten- to twelve-lane expressway jammed with traffic (at 6 a.m.) surrounded by medium-density suburban sprawl stretching off to the horizon. There are still a few open fields here and there, but they are shrinking all the time.

        The amount of undeveloped acreage has dwindled noticeably since the summer of 2019. Today I saw several massive housing developments – some nearing completion – on the site of what was bucolic farmland only half a year ago.

        Most of the remaining farms feature large billboards advertising land available for residential and commercial use.

        • Replies: @Anon
        , @ken
      158. @bomag

        Soon enough, Toronto expands to cover all the arable land in Canada…

        Mississauga in 1973:


        Mississauga today:

        Missisauga’s 830,000+ population puts it ahead of Winnipeg, Hamilton, Vancouver, and Quebec. And Seattle (which is growing very fast itself), Denver, Washington, Boston, Atlanta, Minneapolis and St Paul combined, and Tampa and St Petersburg combined.

        Not to mention once-great Detroit, Baltimore, and St Louis.

        My family stayed in a lakeshore cabin in next-door Oakville in 1973. Now that sleepy village is approaching 200,000.

      159. @Realist

        That’s the point. We’re in the midst of the largest genocide in history.

      160. Anonymous[182] • Disclaimer says:
        @Anon

        cattle** to milk?

        Or a billion cattle to milk?

        More cattle, more milk.

        An increasing US population helps the Jews to avoid overshooting their ecological niche (the most remunerative occupations) which would result in downward pressure on compensation rates of the niche jobs or in some Jews having to take lower paying jobs.

      161. Anonymous[182] • Disclaimer says:
        @Kaplan Turqweather

        What is Doug Saunders’ ancestry?

        • Replies: @Kaplan Turqweather
      162. @Anon7

        But why is their anything special about 401k’s? Why not other assets? Or a blanket wealth tax? Or just print money? The 401k thing targets people disporportionately without rhyme or reason. It’s unbelievably stupid.

        • Replies: @Jack Henson
        , @Charon
        , @Jack D
      163. @Anonymous

        No.

        The real insanity is that he is ‘deadly earnest’.
        He’s not joking or kidding you, or leg-pulling etc.

        He means what he says and says what he means.

        It’s no laughing matter.

        You are correct.

      164. @Paleo Liberal

        China, India, and the other big developing nations are driving the big increases in CO2, China surpassed the US in CO2 emissions a decade ago and by 2012 was already emitting 20 percent more and growing their emissions far faster. Every US solar and wind plant added between the mid-90’s and 2010 amounted to maybe 3 percent of what China alone added in coal fired power plants to their grid, to say nothing of India, which also added a great deal during the same time period.

        If you want curb CO2 emissions, the developing world’s emissions has to be reigned in, otherwise you are just shifting factories from the US or the UK to China, India, and Mexico.

        • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
      165. J.Ross says:

        What knots has anyone tied themselves into trying to stop the work of illegal human traffickers? Europeans shunting the illegals into neighbors? Trump promising more immigration than ever before?

      166. @Corvinus

        Indonesia and Brazil in particular have growing economies thanks to outside investment.

        Regarding Brazil, that’s some dubious cause and effect. In recent years, foreign investment has grown very much, but the gross domestic product barely so, nor is it projected to grow.

        • Replies: @Corvinus
      167. HA says:
        @SFG

        “Decrease immigration, fight global warming…I think I may be the only person who agrees with you.”

        It doesn’t matter if they agree or don’t. One can be a total skeptic on global warming and still be alarmed by loss of habitat and loss of biodiversity — you know, all the things that environmentalists were alarmed about long before Al Gore turned his attention to weather. The really dangerous thing about global warming is the way it has managed to eclipse all the other environmental problems we need to deal with.

        Even if global temperatures were to spike back down to whatever normal levels were a century ago, that doesn’t mean we can keep turning green places into parking lots and condos and everything that comes along with an extra couple of billion people.

        Stop allowing global warming to hog the spotlight away from all the other environmental concerns out there.

        • Agree: Desiderius
        • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
        , @Desiderius
      168. @Paleo Liberal

        I wouldn’t like to see America grow to a billion people (unless they were white), so I’m not defending this goofy idea. I’m just pointing out that if it were to happen, some of the nightmare scenarios about overcrowding and people being packed together like sardines wouldn’t actually come to pass, so it’s not something the planners need to take into account (except as it pertains to responding to the inevitable fearmongering about overcrowding).

        As for water, I don’t think there’s any problem that desalination cannot solve. From my back of the envelope calculations – I can never remember the details of this stuff, and I’ve done it about five times – I got the impression it would be possible, with the help of some creative engineering solutions regarding distribution, for the world to draw the entirety of its freshwater supply from desalination. That will almost certainly never be necessary (or if I’m wrong, even possible), but that any supply disruption can be solved with desalination seems to me a certainty.

      169. @Unladen Swallow

        Lots of truth to that.

        One possibility is to have a pollution based VAT for various goods. If a good is made in a factory with a smaller carbon footprint, and/or less pollution, then a smaller tax. That way goods made in Chinese factories using coal-powered energy would have a higher tax. As it is, part of the cost of our cheap products is toxic air in China.

        As for the carbon footprint, there is the carbon used to create the product, plus the carbon used to ship the product.

        So a product made down the street using pure solar or wind energy would have a very small tax.

        The effect of such as tax would be to encourage the manufacturing nations to use forms of energy with less pollution and less carbon.

        • Replies: @Buzz Mohawk
        , @Mr. Rational
      170. @Dumbo

        Jews have always preferred large, filthy cities dating back to antiquity. More naive Gentiles to take advantage of.

      171. @Paleo Liberal

        You well-intentioned guys are missing the point if you don’t include nuclear power in your plans.

        LFTRs, Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactors, are the clean, safe answer to your prayers for clean energy. Solar and wind are inefficient jokes that are only applicable in limited circumstances.

        In any case, you will have a hard time convincing me that the Earth hasn’t been heating and cooling, over and over again, for millions of years — and will continue to do what it damn well pleases in that regard, no matter what we do.

        Have fun with your windmills.

        • Agree: TWS
      172. @Dumbo

        I mean, there is a point at which even the elite is inconvenienced by mass poverty, lack of space and violence – witness Mexico, Venezuela or Brazil. Commuting by helicopter to work, living in fear of being kidnapped, having crumbling bridges and serious infrastructure problems. Life in a massively populated third-world hellhole is bad even for the rich.

        Personally, my life’s not bad due to where I live. I ride the subway to go to university, regrettably not a helicopter, and so do many others on my, what do you call it, “socioeconomic level”, but I do imagine things are different for those with well-paying jobs. I don’t live in fear of being kidnapped (but perhaps I should be!). I don’t think I reside in a hellhole. But I might be wrong. If this is hell, however, it could use more weeping and gnashing of teeth.

        • Replies: @Dumbo
      173. @HA

        That is true. Sort of a Pascal’s wager.

        The science behind global warming is sound.

        Suppose global warming really were a Chinese hoax. What then?

        The things we would do to fight global warming would also fight other forms of environmental degradation, and have other beneficial effects.

        What happens if we decrease immigration to fight global warming? Well, Gaylord Nelson and the ZPG folks were advocating almost no immigration back in the 1960s, before anyone knew about global warming. Halting immigration would help our air, our water, our land. Not to mention higher wages and lower housing costs.

        What happens if we get away from fossil fuels? Conserving fossil fuels allows us to use fossil fuels in the future, for example as a supply of plastics, chemicals, drugs, etc. Also, some things, like jet planes, will need fossil fuels no matter what. Conserving fossil fuels keeps the supply up and the cost down.

        What happens if we spend money on research for non-fossil fuel energies, such as wind, solar, nuclear, fusion, etc.? We wind up with cheaper, and often renewable, sources of energy. Not to mention, research often has other benefits. For example, the computer revolution was fueled by the Apollo project.

        And so on. Pretty much anything we do to stop global warming has beneficial effects even if global warming doesn’t exist.

        I think of my late uncle, who was a conservative Republican, but a conservationist. Why? He loved hunting (esp. duck and turkey hunting) skeet shooting, boating, camping, hiking and other outdoors activities. We need people like my late uncle to fight for our planet’s future.

        • Agree: notsaying
      174. notsaying says:

        It goes without saying that having “One Billion Americans” is the worst possible thing that could happen to us. It would add lots more problems and make ever single problem we have today far worse.

        What this book will do though is highlight what people really think about the US. For those who are open border supporters, their support of “One Billion Americans” this concept will show how crazily dedicated they are to open borders. It might also wake up some people who have been indifferent to immigration when they start to think about what a US with one billion people in it would be like.

        It will be very interesting to see how the people who are dedicated to lots more immigration and lots more action on climate change will react. These are two ideas that cannot really be combined. What will they do when they have to decide which one means the most to them and realize that they will have to sacrifice one for the other. Well, for one thing I suppose they will refuse to make the connections and acknowledge that the Earth will have to have fewer people to get real and lasting improvement in our environment.

        I did an search to find out what the current response was to this book but I guess it’s not out quite yet because I didn’t find any.

        Will it reviewed and talked about or will it be ignored? I’m really not sure.

        • Agree: TWS
        • Replies: @Nico
      175. Speaking of immigration … Rush Limbaugh guest host Mark Steyn with callout today for “a chap named Steve Sailer” and what he calls the “invade the world invite the world” concept.

      176. @anon

        Also reminds me of the ret-con AA flick “Hidden Figures” – but in the case of the Apollo 11 assembler code programs that ran the spacecraft, a woman named Margaret Hamilton at MIT was the lead. Apparently the term “Software Engineer” was coined due to Margaret.

        (Don’t tell anyone, but she was White! eeeeek!!)


        This one isn’t pointing to Hamilton, but it gives a good idea of the sociological layout of the Firing Room in 1969 and points to one of the other pigmentation-challenged women in the room, Joann Morgan.

      177. @silviosilver

        This is the plan

        https://allthatsinteresting.com/cage-homes-hong-kong

        click through the gallery of images.

        coming to a city near you.

      178. @Bert

        Do Americans really want their grandchildren to live in a society like Brazil that would let its national museum burn to the ground because funding more reproduction in favelas (Bolsa Familia) was chosen over renovating the museum’s antiquated electrical wiring?

        No cause and effect there. The National Museum lacked maintenance, and that likely contributed to its demise, but that was not because funding that would go towards it was instead directed to stimulating the favelados to reproduce, as if there wasn’t enough money to do both (assuming that’s what the Bolsa Familia program is for, which is at least debatable). I do think Americans have reason to not want their country to become like Brazil, but your statement is ridiculous.

        • Replies: @J.Ross
      179. @Paleo Liberal

        Pretty much anything we do to stop global warming has beneficial effects even if global warming doesn’t exist.

        Not if you destroy our way of life in the process. China needs to clean up its act. The United States already has.

        I think of my late uncle, who was a conservative Republican, but a conservationist. Why? He loved hunting (esp. duck and turkey hunting) skeet shooting, boating, camping, hiking and other outdoors activities. We need people like my late uncle to fight for our planet’s future.

        My father, lifelong Republican, gave to the Sierra Club until it became a leftist political operation. He explained to me that it used to really be the Sierra Club, a bunch of guys like him, dedicated to preserving the mountians they grew up hiking and skiing on.

        There are plenty of conservative conservationists. There is one waving at you with both hands right now. Hello! Over here! Hey!

      180. GodHelpUs says:
        @Jack D

        Don’t be coy. There is a difference between a 16 year old girl having sex with her 18 year old boyfriend and a 16 year old girl being recruited into an international sex trafficking ring for the purpose of creating blackmail material on the rich and powerful.

        The fact that you are trying to elide this distinction makes me think you are deeply evil and spiritually corrupted.

        • Agree: danand, TWS
        • Replies: @Jack D
      181. @MikeatMikedotMike

        “At what point does it become morally imperative to put to an end the ability for psychopathic nation wreckers such as this mongrel to openly and actively promote such things?”

        Oh, about 1966.

      182. @BB753

        The big assumption is that booga booga people are just the italians/irish today. Just as irish/italian/polish people were seen as “backwards” or whatever by Anglos, Somalis are seen as backwards and unintelligent by whites generally and just like those groups assimilated so will somalis/mexicans/whoever. What this misses out on is all of the groups that assimilated were either extremely genetically similar to the existing US population i.e. Germans/irish/other whites or were always slightly smarter than whites i.e. chinese.

        Somalis and mexicans and others won’t follow this path because genetically they can’t. In troublesome inheritance, Nicholas Wade points out that african countries have all of the best practices/inventions of successful countries already provided for them and discovered through insane man hours/violent upheavals etc. Africans could just adopt them, but they don’t simply because they aren’t capable of it. However, you’re not allowed to notice this or point out the data that supports this view so you are just supposed to accept it happening and celebrate it.

        • Agree: Mr. Rational, BB753
        • Replies: @BB753
      183. @JohnnyWalker123

        To survive China’s impending global takeover

        What if half of the 666 million new Americans are Chinese?

        • Replies: @danand
        , @Anonymous
      184. @Anonymous

        Anglo-Saxon, albeit with the definite ideological lineage of Randolph Bourne ;).

      185. I wonder if the word “famine” occurs anywhere in Yglesias’s book.

      186. @ben tillman

        Like that’s stopped them before.

        Its them waiting for a critical mass of Boomers to die off so they can take money from the overwhelmingly White Americans who use 401ks and give to the endless
        mouth that is the global poor.

      187. Anonymous[182] • Disclaimer says:
        @istevefan

        If we take in the entire world population, our economy would comprise 100 % of world GDP. We would have 100 % of Nobel laureates, tech startups, and the best selection of food in the world.

        Even better, we would have a lot more land and natural resources.

      188. Anonymous[182] • Disclaimer says:
        @ben tillman

        Not to mention the people in the rest oif the world.

        The elites hate the other people in the world or the other people hate us as much as the elites do?

      189. @Arclight

        This is cope. The fact you cant recognize his earnestness is either blindness or stupidity.

      190. danand says:
        @Dave Pinsen

        What if half of the 666 million new Americans are Chinese?

        Dave, I would think it more likely China will export the Africans to the “West”; once China has bought/paid for/owns the African continent. Where else would those poor African refugees go? It would simply be our moral obligation to take them in, and make them equals.

      191. J.Ross says:
        @adreadline

        Prior to the fire, the curator of the museum was residing there and livestreaming as a publicity stunt to appeal for funding. The pattern of welfare state budget takeover is too constant to claim ignorance here.

        • Agree: Bert
      192. Maybe another commenter has already made this point but 3 times our current population? Imagine southern California with 60 million people. Or how about Las Vegas with 8 million? 18 million in Phoenix? 30 million in the SF Bay area?

        In all fairness, the big cities of the rust belt have emptied out in the last 60 years, but somehow I don’t think the replacement population would recreate the the past.

      193. @Paleo Liberal

        a product made down the street using pure solar or wind energy would have a very small tax.

        Mankind learned long ago that there were few products that you could make using “pure solar or wind energy” and earn enough to survive.  That’s why deforestation was a crisis until humanity discovered coal, first for general heating and then for steam power; the stored energy of wood was essential to make it through the times when solar and wind were absent.

        Wood was the first “solar + storage”.  IIRC, it stores energy at something like 30 watts per acre averaged over a year.  That was not something an industrial society can live on, and it’s just as true today.

        Buzz Mohawk is too focused on thorium, but in general he’s right.

      194. anonymous[375] • Disclaimer says:
        @Johann Ricke

        Read Whitney Webb’s piece on this.

        A French friend of Epstein flew a pair of 13 year old twins into Manhattan for Jeff’s birthday present. Jeff had some fun with them and they flew out the next day.

        I thought like you at one point, but it appears things are worse than most realize.

        Just read the the piece. It’s an eye opener on a lot of grotesque corruption going back to the Clinton Arkansas days.

        • Replies: @Dr Van Nostrand
      195. Jack D says:
        @GodHelpUs

        You are assuming facts not in evidence.

        • Replies: @GodHelpUs
      196. @AKAHorace

        It’s not just out of the question. It doesn’t register. I tried to bring up global population on a low-carb (pro-meat) diet website, and it just didn’t go anywhere. People just don’t make the connection.

        Part of the problem, I think, is that you have pro-meat people believing that somehow, the Earth could sustain much more meat production for much larger populations. Somehow. This is the diet-specific instance of the National Review talking point that resource management isn’t important “because technology.”

        • Agree: Mr McKenna
        • Replies: @Anonymous
      197. @Paleo Liberal

        Suppose global warming really were a Chinese hoax.

        That is one of the most pernicious bits of propaganda ever created.  It denies that Guy Callendar, Svante Arrhenius, Samuel Langley and even Joseph Fourier said anything about the subject, which has been an on-going subject of inquiry for over 2 centuries now.

        I wish I could take the ass who came up with it and slow-roast him alive over an open fire, along with the one who coined “White privilege”.  They are both equally foul.

        • Replies: @Peterike
      198. Anon[274] • Disclaimer says:
        @Stan Adams

        Florida women look pretty good. Especially South Florida and Tampa.

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
      199. Anon 2 says:

        Homeless encampments in the United States appear to be increasing exponentially
        with the population. In California they now basically amount to refugee camps – in large
        part refugees from modernity, e.g., the fact that in the 1950s-‘60s it was easy for 75-100
        IQ people to find temporary low-skilled jobs. Nowadays that has become much harder.
        The rapid population growth means that within decades America will be covered
        coast-to-coast with countless “refugee” camps. Is this the future we want?

        • Replies: @notsaying
      200. @Jack D

        The PRC is a Chinese empire, not a Chinese nation-state. However, they are currently engaged in demographic shenanigans like replacement of ethnic Tibetans with ethnic Chinese, and expansion of Chinese population into Africa via colonies.

        Ignoring Chinese imperialism means competing with them on their own terms, which will ultimately mean giving up on decentralized organization, resistance to AI and genetic engineering, free-range childhood and homeschooling, and a variety of other “freedom to fail” lifestyles and choices thst Americans have traditionally cherished.

        We should have been fighting Chinese imperialism decades ago to undo the Chicomms’ grip. Perhaps it too late now. I suspect we will wait to do something until the only option is a hot war we are poorly positioned to win.

      201. @JohnnyWalker123

        white Cubans are like Jews among Latins, guess the consideration is based on fact…

        i truly hope the rest of the US doesn’t become 666 Miamis, i truly truly hope so

      202. ChrisZ says:
        @Dumbo

        At a certain point you have to ask what is the problem of these people, if they are really totally mentally deranged or simply trolling us.

        My impression is that this is the style of the courtier: one whose only objective is to advance himself by winning the favor of his “superiors.” Sincere belief (or insincere trolling) is not the point in the positions he advances. But neither is mental derangement to blame. Guys like Yglesias see what sells, what gets the attention of the money-people, and they sell it in the most extravagant way.

        Look, he’s gotten another book contract out of it, even though the book will be forgotten in five years; even though Yglesias himself will be as memorable as Haynes Johnson once he’s gone.

        Courtiers are an old story and they inevitably pop up in any society. But I feel these attention seekers and self-sellers have lately come to dominate. A whore-economy is going to encourage a certain kind of behavior.

        • Agree: PhysicistDave, Thea
      203. Frank G says:
        @JohnnyWalker123

        And he named his kid “José” (complete with accent) to continue the subterfuge.

      204. anon[184] • Disclaimer says:
        @Anonymous

        . . . we send 100,000 college students to PRC universities to do grad research and steal I.P. ?

        However the bug in that plan is the PRC is not so stupid as to let our young college kid spies in, in the first place.

      205. GodHelpUs says:
        @Jack D

        God hates liars and hypocrites.

        Learn to fear Him, friend, or you will bring hell down upon yourself and everyone around you.

        It’s not too late for you to choose the path of life. But the crossroads will come soon, and only the discerning will find the right way forward. The haughty and arrogant will continue on the road to perdition. Their sins will be cleansed in the fire of the wrath of God.

        Tread carefully.

        • Replies: @HA
      206. @MikeatMikedotMike

        ‘At what point does it become morally imperative to put to an end the ability for psychopathic nation wreckers such as this mongrel to openly and actively promote such things?’

        Gute Frage.

      207. A gentle reminder, soylent green is people.

      208. @Johann Ricke

        Good point. And girls are reaching puberty at 12 today in America , a full year earlier than 60 years ago.

        While in the United States the age of consent is 16 in most states , in much of Europe the age of consent is 14 years old.

        • Replies: @Bill Jones
      209. MBlanc46 says:
        @Bert

        There are strong forces that work strenuously to ensure that such points are not put to the populace in a clear way.

        • Agree: ben tillman
      210. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:
        @Malenfant

        It’s as simple as this: Pro-natalist policies and the expansion of domestic industry are good things in themselves, whereas immigration from non-Western/non-European countries has proven ruinously bad. If Yglesias is proposing we reach One Billion Americans solely via the former, then I think that’s something that almost everybody here should in principle.

        The Jews have managed to reengineer America’s demographics to the point that the country is already majority non-European. And a good chunk of the White population is well past childbearing age.

        Yglesias and other Jews therefore have little to fear from a shift now to pro-natalism. It will replicate (or even expand the share of) the non-White majority.

      211. MBlanc46 says:
        @MikeatMikedotMike

        We’ve probably long past that point, Mike, but no one has stepped up to do the putting down.

      212. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:
        @istevefan

        Note that Great Britain was able to compete well with larger nations. They out competed larger France, and they even managed to colonize India which had several times their population

        What does “competing with China”, or competing with any country, even mean? What are the relevant metrics? Why are they important?

        • Replies: @ben tillman
      213. MBlanc46 says:
        @silviosilver

        But at least Buzz is speaking the truth. Yeah, it’s not much comfort, but at least he has that.

      214. These People Hate Us.

        What else do you need to know?

        • Replies: @Beavertales
      215. ken says:
        @black sea

        What’s with this fascination of open spaces? Places which no one visits. Places that can’t be defended without citizens.

        • Replies: @black sea
        , @HA
      216. ken says:
        @istevefan

        A declining population needs fewer resources. The US has contracepted herself into this crisis.

      217. Peterike says:
        @Mr. Rational

        “That is one of the most pernicious bits of propaganda ever created.”

        You don’t understand what’s being referred to. The notion of “climate change” in its current political incarnation was started by Canadian millionaire Maurice Strong who was living in China. This has become twisted into “global warming was invented by China.”

        Anyway more here:

        https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/paris-climate-change-conference/12035401/Farewell-to-the-man-who-invented-climate-change.html

      218. @Clifford Brown

        Funny coincidence! Another member of the tribe is spearheading a plan to grow Canada to 100 million people in this century.
        One would think this was a coordinated effort.
        https://www.google.com/amp/s/business.financialpost.com/opinion/terence-corcoran-100-million-canadians-we-could-only-hope/amp
        Irvin Studin is a Jewish recent immigrant from Eastern Europe, and he has ideas about ‘improving’ his adopted country.

      219. MEH 0910 says:
        @PiltdownMan

        Slate:

        Fun With Population Density
        By Matthew Yglesias
        March 04, 2012

        A New York Times article asking how many people Manhattan could hold notes that “packing Manhattan as tightly as Kowloon Walled City, river to river, would mean jamming in 65 million people.”

        I think in a lot of ways it’s more illuminating to think about less extreme scenarios. Consider New Jersey, which is hardly a jam-packed tenement. It nonetheless contains five times as many per people square mile as California. In other words, if the Golden State were as dense on average as New Jersey over 188 million people would live there. And California is a mighty nice place to live. Thanks to its mild weather, Californians use very little energy to heat and cool their offices compared to most Americans. According to 2005 data, the average Californian had half the carbon footprint of the average American for roughly this reason. And yet a California that existed at a New Jersey level of population density would have even lower per capita CO2 emissions since many car trips would be shorter distances and a larger share of the population would be walking/biking/transiting around some of the time. And while of course this would be a dramatic transformation, my point is that unlike imagining Manhattan as Kowloon Walled city it’s not a crazy idea. New Jersey isn’t some bizarre slum arising as an accident of history. New Jersey’s not even particularly crowded! Indeed, its small cities (Trenton, Newark, Camden) are all well below their historical population peaks.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      220. @Anon

        Florida women look pretty good. Especially South Florida and Tampa.

        They should do something about their flag:

        • Replies: @J.Ross
      221. Anonymous[118] • Disclaimer says:

        Thanks to Iglesias for waking people up to The Big Lie …

        This meme of A BILLION AMERICANS is a bell you can’t unring.

        So many people will be shocked awake by visualizing the new Super Jumbo America and realize that all of the environmental arguments were just another con.

        Thanks Matty! Thanks for removing any doubt that America’s elites are total scum.

      222. One billion Americans = one billion soldiers for Greater Israel.

        • Replies: @Hippopotamusdrome
      223. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:
        @Dave Pinsen

        What if half of the 666 million new Americans are Chinese?

        As long as the new US arrivals aren’t white goys, you don’t need to consider anything else. Do you see Potok monitoring the percentage of any other people? He doesn’t because it is of no concern at all.

        Non-whites are fungible meat people with no problematic culture worthy of concern, no objectives, an unalloyed good. Once they leave the airplane and cross customs into the country, they cease having any ties at all to the old country. The only trait worthy of consideration is that they will vote democrat. They are assumed to be philosemitic. You can see how much the Chinese love Semitic peoples by their behavior with Muslims there, and how easily their well-known high levels of empathy can be used to guilt trip them.

      224. @JohnnyWalker123

        JohnnyWalker123 wrote:

        Ghislaine Maxwell (who helped the “suicided” Jeffrey Epstein run his prostitution ring) is being hidden by the Israeli govt)

        Oh, she’ll be Epsteined before Christmas: she knows waaaay too much — the ruling elite cannot allow her to live.

        • Replies: @Lot
      225. Anonymous[271] • Disclaimer says:
        @ATBOTL

        The Israeli government systematically raped at least dozens and probably hundreds of very young white girls.

        Citation?

      226. Anonymous[271] • Disclaimer says:
        @Neoconned

        My foreman in my casino banquet set up crew used to be a general contractor. He built 3 story mansions. He told me the stress killed it for him.

        What was stressful about it?

      227. HA says:
        @Paleo Liberal

        “The things we would do to fight global warming would also fight other forms of environmental degradation, and have other beneficial effects.

        I agree with that, but there are counter-examples, too, and they’re worth noting. For example, under one of the emission-credit schemes being floated around, it might have made sense for Brazilian farmers to cut down even more Amazonian forest to plant switch-grass. Out of the frying pan, into the fire.

        Or else, there is a proposal (still under consideration, as far as I know) to start salting the ocean with trace elements to create plankton blooms that will sequester CO2, or something like that. Apparently, that looks promising (on paper, at least) to numerous scientists, but it makes about as much sense as importing Chinese needle snakes followed up with some carnivorous gorillas in order to exterminate global warming.

        That’s why I’m leery of letting global warming take too much of the spotlight (and that concern would persist regardless of how much skepticism I had about it). At some point it might actually override our need to leave more of the earth alone.

        • Agree: Lot
      228. @silviosilver

        Yglesias will feel more at home in a bulging deracinated America of 1 Billion+ which has reduced its 1950 Core to an embattled remnant. The people who made his grandparents feel unwelcome at the country club will have been properly punished by then.

      229. “Here’s the plan…we invade the world, we invite the world, and then, we increase the United States’ population to…one billion Americans!”

      230. black sea says:
        @Reg Cæsar

        “I’m ’bout to bust a cap in yo ass! Would you like fries with that?”

      231. Anonymous[318] • Disclaimer says:

        • Replies: @J.Ross
        , @Anonymous
      232. Anonymous[976] • Disclaimer says:

        For years whenever I’ve argued with the open borders goons they’ve denied that immigration rates would ever get insanely high. “Oh, only a few more people would come than are already coming now.” But of course they refuse to put a limit on how many people they think would come.

        “It could be 5 million a year. Or 10 million a year.”

        “Oh, it won’t be that high.”

        “So if you promise that it won’t be that high then why not put an actual, you know, numerical limit on it?”

        [Crickets]

        So at least give Yglesias credit for finally coming right out and saying that an insanely high number of immigrants is actually their goal. It it’s a number that every sane American, plus no small percentage of Democrats, would recognize as whackadoodle insane, and in complete and total contradiction to so many other alleged goals of the Democratic Party – protecting the environment, reducing carbon emissions, reducing sprawl, letting the Colorado River flow freely to the Pacific, raising wages for the poor.

        They want to turn America into one giant polluted, overcrowded ghetto. And here comes Yglesias to admit that, just in time for the 2020 election. All Trump needs to do is tweet out the front cover of Yglesias’s book to scare a shitload of Americans into voting for him.

      233. Lot says:
        @PhysicistDave

        Lies! I spotted her at the La Jolla Chipotle last night. She’s a big fan of fast casual.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      234. @Anonymous

        It is better to live in a more crowded country than to suffer another Holocaust at the hands of the White population.

        Absolutely. It’s not enough for The Tribe to control the media, the entertainment industry, the Congress, the commanding heights of the State Department, and the loyalties of President Trump. Another Six Million Victims are waiting for a chance to show the world what it means to be a Jew!

        So, safety in numbers, that’s the ticket. Accordingly, I support a mass movement of Jews to India, where there are already 1.3 billion people they can disappear among. Why wait for the U.S. to catch up?

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      235. Anonymous[976] • Disclaimer says:
        @MEH 0910

        A few years ago we were driving my elderly parents somewhere. Don’t remember where exactly, but across the wide open expanses of the Western US. My dad looks at all the empty space and states “How could anyone ever think we could have too many people? Look at all this open space!”

        This is a man who had a well-manicured lawn (in a desert), a backyard pool, a house way too big for the two of them, and all the rest.

        “Dad,” I said, “where do you think all the stuff comes from that builds the city you live in?”

        It takes a shitload of natural resources to build a city, feed it, and keep it running.

        There are 640 acres in a square mile. Your average random state in the Western US is approximately 100,000 square miles. Of course a lot of that is rugged mountain ranges or pure desert, but let’s assume it’s all liveable. Pack in people at an average of 25 an acre – which is certainly doable (at least in one sense of the word) and you could fit 1.6 billion people into Colorado or Nevada or Arizona. Hell, there’s a state in India the size of Utah but with 200 million people. Utah “only” has 3 million.

        But where would all the resources come from? Where would people go for recreation to get away from everyone else? Lakes, mountain trails, ski resorts, beaches would all be overcrowded beyond recognition.

        If living in a nation of a billion people is something Yglesias or anyone else finds desirable then there are two options already available right this very moment. It would be easier for Yglesias to move to one of them than to move them all here. All Yglesias would have to do is choose to identify with the people of India or China, then he wouldn’t have to worry about America “losing” because he would no longer be American. What, apart from racism, would cause Yglesias to prefer identifying with Americans than with Chinese or Indians? His immigration policies would make him a minority in the USA. But if being a minority doesn’t matter to him why not just go ahead and move right now?

        • Agree: PiltdownMan
        • Replies: @PiltdownMan
      236. Lot says:
        @Johann Ricke

        “ And as soon as Pax Americana disappears, armies will march for the same reason mountain climbers seek the next summit – glory.”

        No way. 1.0 and 1.5 TFR societies don’t engage in wars of conquest. No example ever. The children are too precious to risk, and there’s no need for more territory. The Chinese lack the balls to even take over Taiwan or Mongolia.

        The only places with high fertility is the world’s big retard-incest belt, and their only plausible method of conquest is immivasion. And our giant military isn’t needed to stop it. The ongoing AfroCamp of Saints invasion of Europe could be stopped by a half dozen WWII-era PT boats.

      237. Dumbo says:
        @adreadline

        Where do you live? Mexico City?
        I don’t know, maybe hell was a rhetorical exaggeration, but lately I much prefer smaller cities or places in the country than large dysfunctional cities such as Sao Paulo, New York, London, L.A. Of course big cities have certain advantages, but there is a point at which population density becomes too much. At least for people like me who like solitude and space. I don’t see any advantage in having one billion people, mostly dark immigrants, in the US. Life in Pakistan, China or India is not enviable.

        • Replies: @Anonymouse
      238. @HA

        Warmism crowds out true environmentalism like IDPOL crowds out true working class leftism.

        • Replies: @HA
      239. J.Ross says:
        @Anonymous

        >who get targeted[,] as globalists
        I notice he didn’t say get defamed or get maligned.

      240. J.Ross says:
        @Reg Cæsar

        Not only is that a brilliant flag, but they have an even crazier one. I forget which city it is but received a miniature unit when I was running 4chan’s flags app. A lot of the best ones are German and English cities, which have classic heraldry in major colors (Croat and Polish cities also although the flag app doesn’t support more than the wruters wrote). The real disaster is any vexillology or heraldry coming from socialism (cf Israel, many of whose cities incorporated in the late 40s and early 50s): primary smears rather than patterns, naturalistic representation that never comes through, and, at all times, on pain of gulag, a god-damned hydro-electric dam (which pretty much just looks like a square on a flag, and like nothing on the app).
        I regret that the flag I offered through the app to other users –Wayne County — isn’t that interesting (it should be mostly in the colors of Wayne State University, and with a certain Anthony delivering justice to Redcoat and Redskin alike), but Detroit has four quarters with French fleur-de-lis, English lions, the flag of the Sons of Liberty and the Union.

        https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/4/40/Detroit_flag.png/revision/latest?cb=20121017221108

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
      241. Charon says:
        @ben tillman

        The 401k thing targets people disporportionately without rhyme or reason.

        Aren’t older white people disproportionately represented in terms of accumulated 401k wealth? That might explain why it seems like a big fat target.

      242. @Kolya Krassotkin

        “one billion soldiers”

        Special Forces would still be mostly white even then.

        Officials Say US Special Forces Are Too White And Too Male

      243. Charon says:
        @Daniel H

        A sound and persuasive argument that needs just a bit of editing. Then it needs to be broadcast far and wide.

        The MSM are always breathlessly demanding to know how we’re going to “meet the challenge” of an ascendant China. Heck, why not just congratulate them on their success and focus on our own issues? We have quite a number.

      244. Charon says:
        @anon

        Exactly. He’s trying to shift the Overton window on population matters. If people are seriously talking about trashing the USA with a billion Africans and Asians, then six or seven hundred million doesn’t sound so bad, now does it?

        Now run along and play in traffic, kiddies. Or watch television–one’s about as healthy as the other really.

      245. bomag says:
        @silviosilver

        As for water, I don’t think there’s any problem that desalination cannot solve.

        Yes, if you have energy and infrastructure, two things we are consuming at uncomfortable levels.

        I don’t see it as particularly prudent to expend such coin merely to service a swelling population.

      246. bomag says:
        @silviosilver

        If you want to achieve cooperation from other groups besides your own, then I don’t see that it really helps much to scream at them that you’re the real American…

        It’s a shouting match; we can’t expect cooperation; it’s about seizing political power.

        What even can you really do about it?

        Seize political power; dictate a narrative; dictate policy.

      247. It’s interesting that Yglesias feels that the US must have 1 Billion “Americans” not only to counter China’s global rise, but also to compete with Russia.

        Russia’s population is only 145 million. It’s less than half of the United States. If Russia is able to be a global power and maintain control over the world’s geographically largest country with half the population of the United States, why does the US need to triple its population?

      248. J.Ross says:

        Better than Provo.

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
      249. @Anon7

        About CenturyInitiative.org, your site reference opens up to warnings and when the certificate is accepted anyway, to a host provider. You need help. Apparently your know-how is limited as to “technology” and you did not the necessary testing. …Or, you are blocked willingly by your provider. That chance for now by far the smallest.

        Please address this, or your voice, making yourself independent from comment culling here at unz.com will not make it’s statement.

        • Replies: @Anon7
      250. Anonymous[158] • Disclaimer says:
        @Malenfant

        It’s as simple as this: Pro-natalist policies and the expansion of domestic industry are good things in themselves, whereas immigration from non-Western/non-European countries has proven ruinously bad. If Yglesias is proposing we reach One Billion Americans solely via the former, then I think that’s something that almost everybody here should in principle.

        America’s demographics have been reengineered to the point that the country is majority non-White. And a good chunk of the remaining White population is well past childbearing age.

        Therefore, Yglesias and other Jews who see Whites as a competitive threat have little to fear now from a shift to pro-natalism. Such policies will only replicate (or, given birth rate differentials, even expand the share of) the non-White majority.

      251. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:
        @Lot

        I’m surprised a woman with her figure and connections couldn’t land a decent man to settle down and raise some children with. That’s a nice set.

        Also, a bit surprised at the most damning thing from a likely Mossad blackmail operation using post-pubescent women is not that our world leaders are systematically corrupted, it’s that young women who went back again and again for the same thing were subjected to statutory rape. And I’m not a Jack D sock puppet.

        I know it’s not nice but there are bigger issues at play. There seems to be nothing of a Podesta level type nasty stuff happening from what is known.

      252. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:
        @silviosilver

        The energy required for large scale water desalination is simply enormous.
        Realistically, only a massive new nuclear program, utilising breeder reactors and the Plutonium cycle could ever be up to the task. And then you have the major problem of brine pollution of the oceans, and – paradoxically – salination of irrigated desert fields.

        The real point is this:

        Why should a vast potential of the white man’s productive energy, talent and capital – which could be diverted to my useful directions – be wasted and squandered simply to fulfill the dream of that unspeakable farting filth and scum at The Economist magazine to extirpate whites off the face of the planet by importing as much as the third world as possible into the west, only to have the said third worlders whipping the asses of your grandkids to make them bow, scrape and grovel and do all the shit work?

        • Agree: Loosely Speaking
      253. Anonymous[112] • Disclaimer says:
        @ken

        Unfortunately, some rather profound little facts from Geography get in your way.

        For starters, a vastly proportion of the ‘computed’ land area of the USA consists of Alaska, which never but never under any ‘technological’ circumstances can possibly support but the meagrest population.
        Similarly, a large part of the interior USA is far too arid and waterless, under all possible circumstances, to support but the sparsest peopling.
        And then you have the regions to mountainous and steeply inclined to be ever considered habitable.
        And the vast cold badlands of Montana and the cold bare, dry plains of the upper Midwest.

        …. and not to mention the volcanic basin under Yellowstone, ready to blow at anytime …?

        • Replies: @ken
      254. @bigdicknick

        We should first run a test model by filling up Israel with 50 million.

        There are plenty of Eritreans, Somalis and Nigerians who would welcome the chance to move to Israel. I bet they would even convert to become Israeli citizens.

        Aren’t Abraham’s descendants supposed to be as numberless as the stars in heaven?

        Let’s help make it so!

        • LOL: Mr. Rational
        • Replies: @bigdicknick
      255. HA says:
        @Desiderius

        “Warmism crowds out true environmentalism like IDPOL crowds out true working class leftism.”

        Exactly. The thing that irks me about global warmism — over and above to how accurate the science is — is how for may, it has become just another naked power play. Anyone who notices certain discrepancies, or doesn’t follow the script to the letter and toe the line when it comes to their Narrative — and this includes even people who agrees with them about what we should care about — must be an enemy, and in bed with the petroleum lobbies. He’s a denialist.

        There are certain other factions I can think of who try and play that same game. That irks me as well.

        • Replies: @Mr. Rational
      256. That vox offers pleasure nor profit. I suggest shunning.

      257. Corvinus says:
        @adreadline

        “Regarding Brazil, that’s some dubious cause and effect. In recent years, foreign investment has grown very much, but the gross domestic product barely so, nor is it projected to grow.”

        Not dubious at all.

        https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-economy-investment-analysis/brazil-pension-overhaul-could-turn-foreign-investment-flow-into-deluge-idUSKCN1SF1MC

        https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/102615/emerging-markets-analyzing-brazils-gdp.asp

        • Replies: @adreadline
      258. HA says:
        @GodHelpUs

        “Learn to fear Him, friend, or you will bring hell down upon yourself and everyone around you.”

        You must be new around here. Jack D, in the words of one commentator regards Epstein simply as a lion among wildebeest.

        He only starts preaching about how people should have souls and how they’ve blinded themselves to humanity when he’s accusing someone of antisemitism (which happens whenever he’s losing an argument). People who speak up for the oppressed and vulnerable in general are something incomprehensible to him, and arouse his suspicions.

        In other words, when it comes to Epstein, or Weinstein, or Leo Frank — or even Rotherham pimps — having their way with the girls, then it’s more of just a circle-of-life thing.

        • Agree: peterike
        • Replies: @Lot
      259. i have been saying this for well on to a decade now all over the internet–population increase via immigration is the game for the establishment…they use immigration to increase consumer demand…consumer demand is about 70% of the economy…this is how they are avoiding a big recession…the media speaks for the big corporations that advertise in the media…the big corps run everything via the media…the media punishes politicians and celebrities who break from the narrative…it’s all about making america welcoming to immigrants…they don’t care about the environment, or inflation…better buy a home, because 1 billion is coming sooner than you think…the purpose of the american military will soon be to transport “refugees” into america…millions each year…they are keeping the ponzi economy afloat using immigration…it’s all about the economy and consumer demand now…

      260. @Hernan Pizzaro del Blanco

        ” in much of Europe the age of consent is 14 years old.”

        Have a look at the Hajnal line.

      261. @Citizen of a Silly Country

        wrong…the multiculti propaganda narrative serves the economy because the narrative facilitates immigration growth…the multiculti propaganda propagated by the media/hollywood/academia eases the way to mass immigration…the sjw narrative makes it easier to cram mass immigration down our throats…and it makes america more welcoming to immigrants…

        it’s always been about increasing the population in order to grow the economy and grow corporate profits…the propaganda narrative is merely a tool to serve that corporate goal…that is where the dissident right went wrong–they mistake a mere tool for the goal…no, the propaganda tool serves the goal…the goal is money–more corporate profits, which means more ad money for the media, more bribes to politicians, and higher home prices for the heavily mortgaged big city denizens…it’s all about keeping the ponzi economy afloat so that those at the top keep getting rich…and keeping the economy afloat means increasing population so that consumer demand does not fall…consumer demand is 70% of the economy…immigration keeps consumer demand high…it’s a confidence game–as long as consumer demand does not fall, confidence is maintained…stocks keep going up…home prices increase…media ad buys increase….it’s all about money…the sjw talking points facilitate mass immigration that increases consumer demand, and that IS the economy…

        SJW propaganda GREASES the immigration pipeline…making america a welcoming place for immigrants…

        you guys cannot see the forest for the trees…you think that all these journalists and pundits and professors and activists and celebrities are pushing multiculti propaganda because they are oh-so-earnest “socialists”…..LOL…wow…how blind can you be? These so-called SJW activists in the media/academia/hollywood/DC etc are merely doing what they must do in order to get ahead…you have to play the elite’s game if you want to BE elite…they are falling in line with the prescribed narrative…you think they are true activists, dedicated anti-white socialists…LOL…whoa…they are trying to get rich…and if you wanna get rich in america, you had better play the game…playing the game being mouthing the “proper” talking points…and what are the talking points? You aint figgered that out yet?

      262. One more example as to why Yglesias and his ilk do not belong in White Countries.

      263. Corvinus says:
        @The Anti-Gnostic

        “Buzz, I remember an America of 200M people too.”

        So do I. And I recall my grandma’s neighbors still being pissed off that too many Poles and Serbs had ruined the America they grew up with and loved.

        “Anglo-Celts and Germanics are about the only people here who value the expanse.”

        I didn’t realize those two tribes were potent forces in America.

        • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
      264. @Brobert

        This is a point I took from another commenter on this site, whose name I can’t recall.

        The point is that the populace is responding to incentives in the marketplace to produce the number of future workers that the marketplace demands. If the prospects for their children and potential children were better (higher wages etc.), they would have more until equilibrium were reached. The nation is not producing more children becauseit does not need more workers. The market has spoken.

        • Replies: @Jack D
      265. A USA with one billion people would have unprecedented wealth disparity. The majority of those immigrants from Africa, Asia and Latin America would have no chance of rising above serfdom.

        The rich would get obscenely richer, and that’s the point. The role of the historic white nation would be as plantation caretakers, keeping the system running and shielding the elites from the brown underclass.

        • Replies: @Paleo Liberal
      266. @Anonymous

        What does “competing with China”, or competing with any country, even mean? What are the relevant metrics? Why are they important?

        The metric is whether you are able to keep them from successfully invading your territory. If so, you have competed successfully.

      267. @JohnnyWalker123

        His paternal grandfather was of Spanish-Cuban background, and his three other grandparents were of Eastern European Jewish descent.

        Lots of “Spanish” Cubans were themselves of Jewish descent.

        • Replies: @Jack D
      268. Jack D says:
        @ben tillman

        Right, so Yglesias (“Church”) is not just 75% Jewish, he’s 100% Jewish, maybe 110% Jewish like all evil men.

        Spaniards (including the ones that emigrated to Cuba) have a certain % of blood from Jewish converts but it’s not that much. Even those who were originally Marranos eventually got mixed in with the rest of the population. The likelihood that his grandpa was of predominantly Jewish descent is nil.

      269. Goddard says:
        @Daniel H

        The Netherlands is overpopulated, as are many European nations. There is no wilderness, wild forest, open plan, bare mountain, uninhabited desert in the Netherlands. … The Dutch keep it together because they are white, intelligent, efficient….well, because they are Dutch.

        I’m an American who lived 7 yrs. in The Netherlands. I couldn’t have said it any better than Daniel H. The homogeneity and high trust make life in that intensely overpopulated country not just bearable, but pleasant. The Dutch are also zealous infillers, jamming themselves into tiny houses in densely urbanized towns. Americans would have trouble living that way, let alone living at Dutch-like density in a society made incoherent and unstable through multiculturalism.

        • Replies: @nebulafox
      270. @Paleo Liberal

        despite the fact that the past 5 years were the 5 warmest years ever recorded

        Not exactly true…three of them were.
        https://www.climatecentral.org/gallery/graphics/10-hottest-us-years-on-record

      271. Jack D says:
        @ben tillman

        Isn’t the market speaking when Mexicans and Guatemalans cross the border and look for work here? You can’t totally depend on the market to send socially desirable signals. The production of children is also influenced by more than just the job market. The job market is not better for Hasidic Jews than for secular Ashkenazis but the former have a lot more kids.

      272. Matthew Yglesias [to immigrants] = [You] smel [like] shit! Get away!

        (Couldn’t censor the cuss-word; it’s not a legitimate anagram if it doesn’t have all the letters. Don’t whim me again, bro! Don’t be so rude).

        • Replies: @Mr. Rational
      273. Jack D says:
        @ben tillman

        You’re asking to rationalize the irrational but I guess the argument is that 401(k)s are pension funds similar to Social Security. The bulk of pension obligations in the US is already held by the US government in the “Social Security Trust Fund”. In fact the Social Security Trust Fund is just an accounting fiction – the US government collects your pension contributions, spends that money on whatever they want to spend it on and the “Fund” consists of IOU’s from the government to itself. So if the government confiscated the rest of your retirement savings and gave you IOUs for that too (after all, you’re not using it now – when you are ready to spend it, we’ll give it back or at least some of it, as much as you “need”) , it wouldn’t really be any different than from what they have been doing for the last 80 years.

        Up until now, old (white) people, with their high voter turnout, have been an untouchable voting block and touching 401(k)s was unthinkable in America (in fact fear mongering the old that they are “coming for your pensions” is a great political tactic even if false) but who knows whether at some point that calculus will change for Democrats.

      274. @Lot

        No way. 1.0 and 1.5 TFR societies don’t engage in wars of conquest. No example ever. The children are too precious to risk, and there’s no need for more territory. The Chinese lack the balls to even take over Taiwan or Mongolia.

        Rulers don’t risk the lives of their children. They risk those of other people’s children. It’s not even particularly selfish of them. We task cops with fighting organized crime and dealing with random sociopaths, and fire departments with fighting fires. Would we define their duties as expansively if our own children were involved in carrying out those duties?

        As to courage, acquiring land from a foreign neighbor by force is a major undertaking. Invasions are generally opposed. Losing could mean the end of Xi Jinping’s rule. It’s not “the Chinese” who will lose power – it’s Xi Jinping. In addition, invading and losing is actually worse than not invading at all, from a reputational standpoint. So any Chinese leader looking to invade will want to be pretty sure of both victory and the high likelihood that this victory can be achieved at a reasonable cost. Because a high enough cost (i.e. a Pyrrhic victory) also means the potential loss of power, as has occurred repeatedly throughout history, via internal rivals who seized their opportunity to take up the reins of power.

        • Replies: @PhysicistDave
      275. HA says:

        On a related note, Austrian “populist” (ahem) Sebastian Kurtz has forged a alliance between his Austrian People’s Party and the Greens. Nominally, the coalition has majority power.

        It remains to be seen how successful such a manoeuvre will be, and the Gelbaum/Yglesias factions of the left and the environmental movement will surely be up in arms about it, but I suspect this won’t be the last time something like this happens — rightward factions willing to forego tearing down the forest to build McMansions as long as they can find allies on the left so as to ensure that the forest will not in that case simply be torn down to create tract housing for a thousand more Syrians or Somalis. If this were wrestling, you might call it the Tanton twist. It seems like an analogous development to Trump’s (and Le Pen’s) efforts to reach out to the left by promising to invest in infrastructure or else to support rust-belt whites that the left has neglected.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      276. @disordereded deacon

        white hispanics are the jews among Amerindians. They even do the “fellow mexicans we need to do x” thing.

        “Fellow mexicans we need to fight white supremacy…in the US, definitely not here! This country is run by your ]]]Fellow Mexicans[[[ like me, Vincente Fox, one of you!”

      277. @silviosilver

        Desalination requires an awful lot of electricity. As of the last time I was paying attention (2015/2016 time frame) it was around 15,000 KW hours for a million gallons of water.

        • Replies: @Steve Sailer
      278. @Jack D

        I don’t intend to defend Epstein or even Trump who bragged about locker room access of Miss Teen America contestants but can we please stop lumping grown men attracted to 16 year old girls with those attracted to 6 year olds by referring to both sets of me as pedophiles? A sane society would prioritize it’s outrage and behave accordingly.

      279. @Lot

        Bears repeating:

        The ongoing AfroCamp of Saints invasion of Europe could be stopped by a half dozen WWII-era PT boats.

      280. @anonymous

        Jeez . How old were the youngest victims of Epstein? I can’t say I forgive the man for procuring 16 years old girl but it’s not quite as monstrous as barely teen pre pubescent girls.

        Jewish males seem to be overrepresented as sexual deviants. I blame their prudish upbringing which encourages to be betas even as they as read sexy stories about King David and the Song of Songs. And then of course these nebbishes acquire power and the terrible consequences are there for all to see.

        From what I see this isn’t so much a problem with Israeli Jews. They are usually accused of garden variety Mediterranean style sexual harassment such as ass grabs and slaps.

        • Replies: @Jack D
        , @bigdicknick
      281. @HA

        The thing that irks me about global warmism — over and above to how accurate the science is — is how for may, it has become just another naked power play.

        This is true, but when have the socialist thieves ever failed to try to hitch their cart to an imperative horse?

        As always, the problem is the socialists.  Without them we would have solved this problem already, the same way France solved its oil-dependence problem in the 80’s.  It’s time to load them on the tumbrils and do the necessary.

      282. notsaying says:
        @Anon 2

        Yes, what are we going to do with all the below-average educated/functioning people we have as the jobs they used to do have gone or will go away, never to be replaced — and the new jobs being created usually above their capacity to handle?

        We are talking tens of millions of people in effect becoming “disabled” because they can’t do the kind of work required in modern workplaces.

      283. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:
        @HA

        On a related note, Austrian “populist” (ahem) Sebastian Kurtz has forged a alliance between his Austrian People’s Party and the Greens.

        Why do you write “ahem”?

        • Replies: @HA
      284. anon[120] • Disclaimer says:
        @Lot

        The ongoing AfroCamp of Saints invasion of Europe could be stopped by a half dozen WWII-era PT boats.

        Sure…if they were manned by WWII – era crews. Backed up by a WWII – era Navy chain of command, with WWII – era civilians overseeing that Navy.

        Failure to resist invasion isn’t due to a lack of means, it is due to a lack of will.

      285. J1234 says:

        ONE BILLION AMERICANS

        Standard timeline:

        Day 1: Journalist from the left introduces bold new idea.

        Day 180: Bold new idea becomes universally accepted moral precept, according to journalists from the left.

        Day 365: Bills introduced to make moral precept a reality. Americans demand it, say journalists from left.

        Day 366: Journalism must destroy immoral deplorables who oppose long standing, deeply held, foundational moral precepts, like the one that came about a year earlier promoting the idea of 1 billion Americans.

      286. @peterike

        The seventh millenium BC, man what a bummer that must have been!

      287. Dumbo says:

        Why stop at one billion? Create NINE BILLION of Americans already. So that America is the world, and the world is America, by default. Depopulate the rest of the world and bring everybody to America in a giant circle whose focal point is Yglesias’ house.

      288. Jack D says:
        @Dr Van Nostrand

        Most non-Orthodox American Jews have no idea what the Song of Songs is. Their Jewish education stops when they are 13 before they have really caught on to sex. I’ll bet you that if you asked Harvey Weinstein what the Song of Songs is, he’d say it’s something that the Beatles wrote.

        The Orthodox teach it as being an allegory of the love between God and Israel and ignore the sexual implications. I once heard the Song of Songs chanted in a monotone by a sallow Yeshiva student with a nasal whine – the contrast between his appearance and sound and the words (“My beloved is to me a sachet of myrrh resting between my breasts.”, etc.) was hilarious.

        Anyone who grows up nebbishy but later in life acquires money and power that gives him access to women can act this way – Bill Clinton had the same problem and he’s not Jewish. I think Jews are disproportionately represented because there are proportionally more Jews who are nebbishy in their youth and then make good later in life thru their brains. A successful WASPy guy who is reasonably good looking and athletic probably had a normal dating life in high school and doesn’t get fixated into chasing the teenage girls that would have never dated him when he was 17, because they would have.

        • Replies: @William Badwhite
      289. black sea says:
        @ken

        What’s with this fascination of open spaces?

        I find people overrated, as a rule, and open spaces underrated. I’d prefer a bit less of the former and more of the latter.

        Probably selfish of me.

        • Replies: @Loosely Speaking
      290. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:
        @Loosely Speaking

        It is better to live in a more crowded country than to suffer another Holocaust at the hands of the White population.

        Absolutely. It’s not enough for The Tribe to control the media, the entertainment industry, the Congress, the commanding heights of the State Department, and the loyalties of President Trump. Another Six Million Victims are waiting for a chance to show the world what it means to be a Jew!

        So, safety in numbers, that’s the ticket.

        The greater concern of Jews is probably competition from Western Europeans in the economic marketplace and, most importantly, in the sexual marketplace.

        Regarding the former, Western Europeans have proven themselves capable of performing well in the higher end occupations and are worthy competitors for jobs and academic positions.

        Regarding the latter, an increasingly brown America probably means less incentive for young Jews to marry out. It’s all about stoking Jewish ethnocentrism, and maintaining Jews as a distinct group. (The Holocaust story, and other Jewish persecution narratives, serve this objective by creating a sense of external threat. The perception of external threat tends to make people more tribal. However, the bigger actual “threat” if you will is Gentile love, not Gentile hate. See above.)

      291. Anonymous[278] • Disclaimer says:

        Mr. Yglesias is on yo something. But he is not bold. My forthcoming book “Two Billions of Americans” – due out this fall – will show the real way forward for our 21st century economy.

        • LOL: Paleo Liberal
      292. Anon7 says:
        @PetrOldSack

        CenturyInitiative is a Canadian website; I don’t have anything to do with starting it, or running it. So calm down.

        Maybe their .org version is down; let’s check CenturyInitiative.ca – there it is! For some reason, the .org version failed to redirect to the .ca version.

      293. @Beavertales

        Bingo.

        The entire point of a much more populous nation is it is “good for the economy “, meaning good for the very rich and terrible for the rest of us.

      294. @Corvinus

        Not dubious at all.

        https://www.reuters.com/article/us-brazil-economy-investment-analysis/brazil-pension-overhaul-could-turn-foreign-investment-flow-into-deluge-idUSKCN1SF1MC

        https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/102615/emerging-markets-analyzing-brazils-gdp.asp

        The first link you provided dates from May. As it says, our economy has barely been growing since 2015.

        Long-term foreign investment of well over $100 billion a year is ready to pour into Brazil if the government passes business-friendly reforms, according to some economists, providing fuel for an economy that failed to take off following a brutal 2015-16 recession.

        While, according to you, we have a “growing economy”. Unstable growth averaging 1% a year is growth, after all. The Investopedia link elegantly states that our recovery has been “modest”.

        [MORE]

        It’s no longer May 2019. That reform has since been voted and passed. Gross domestic product growth was initially estimated at 2.0% for 2019 and projected to be 2.4% for 2020. In June, growth for 2019 was revised to 0.8%, then to 1.0%. This is in line with the growth of a bit over 1% since 2016.
        The projected growth for 2020 is now at 2.0% according to the IMF.

        Now, if you wrote what you just did a decade ago, you’d be right. We had a growing economy back then, which was projected to keep growing at more than 4% a year, while the world’s economy was in recession. But today the world economy is growing at 3% a year and the best projections for 2020 put our growth at 2%. That’s exactly what was predicted for 2019, and it ended up being actually 1%.

        Since foreign investment has indeed been increasing in the last few years, as your Reuters link says, but the GDP has not, it is therefore questionable it is, or that it will ever be, responsible for growth that, as shown, barely exists in the present and is predicted to stay under the global average in the coming years.

        I’m aware you are American and what goes on my third-world country is of very little if any relevance to the vast majority of Americans, and that’s how it is. But since you mentioned our “growing economy”, some additional information might be of interest.

      295. ken says:
        @Anonymous

        And despite all of that we export over 130 billion in agricultural products each year. We have more than enough room to feed and house 1 billion.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
        , @Anonymous
      296. Lot says:
        @HA

        There’s tons of Epstein accusers saying contradictory things because accusing him could lead to a giant, life-changing payment from his estate.

        The allegations that are strongest don’t involve girls under 16 or any force. He seemed to pick them up via procurers around 16-18, starting with erotic massages. After a while some of them became full fledged prostitutes.

        One of the more persistent accusers was caught in multiple lies. She said she met him at 15, but it was 17. She also made up stories of meeting celebrities at his island.

        Maybe we’ll find out Epstein was even worse than this, and it wouldn’t surprise me. But so far I’m not convinced.

        If people want to allow the combination of moral panic and the gold rush against his estate to make them think it was even worse than the evidence indicates, too bad for Epstein, who was likely aware his evil deeds are the type that get exaggerated.

        • Replies: @HA
      297. Lot says:
        @Paleo Liberal

        You make some good points, but have bought into the myth that oil and gas are subsidized.

        The exact opposite is true: they are subject to many special taxes while their competitors (nukes and renewables) are very subsidized.

        The only places oil and gas get subsidized are a few third world spots like Iran and Egypt, and even there the trend is strongly toward cutting them.

      298. nebulafox says:
        @Goddard

        I’ve lived in multiple overcrowded Asian countries, visited several more. They make it work enough so that at a bare minimum, it is functional, and in the more developed countries, pleasant.

        But not without hard consequences: a big part of why fertility rates are so low in that part of the world is the difficulty younger people have in affording the startup costs to get their own apartments. Declining populace rates aren’t setting off panics in that part of the world is because they know that long term, less crowded countries will relieve the pressure, and people will start having kids again.

        >Americans would have trouble living that way, let alone living at Dutch-like density in a society made incoherent and unstable through multiculturalism.

        Yeah, I’m also an American. Let’s just say I have a *very* difficult time envisioning Americans tolerating Asian-level population densities for long, even before the mass social battering we’ve taken in the past couple of decades.

        • Replies: @Medvedev
      299. HA says:
        @ken

        “What’s with this fascination of open spaces?”

        They’re what filter the water and air, reabsorb the CO2, and allow for the possibility that future generations will still get to see wolves and cougars and elephants and lions as living creatures, as opposed to having to go to museums and use their imagination if they want to see a giant sloth, mastodon, smilodons and other such megafauna in action.

        And if the alternative is yet another parking lot and strip mall and condo, that’s another plus. Sure, I might have to pay more for my chalupa, and suffer the indignity of having less ethnic food to choose from than the bazillion varieties available to me today, but we can’t have everything.

        • Agree: Charon
        • Replies: @Anonymous
        , @ken
      300. nebulafox says:
        @PiltdownMan

        Yeah, that’s more or less what our elites envision for the lives of average Americans in the future. That, or neo-favelas.

        It’s almost as if they don’t plan having to adjust their own tastes and homes.

      301. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:
        @ken

        And despite all of that we export over 130 billion in agricultural products each year. We have more than enough room to feed and house 1 billion.

        Nope. It’s all a short term boom based on unsustainable practices: net soil erosion, monoculture, nonrenewable fossil fuel use, pesticides, water use, and water pollution.

        • Replies: @ken
      302. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:
        @HA

        Great post.

      303. @Lot

        You make some good points, but have bought into the myth that oil and gas are subsidized.

        Are you sure it’s a MYTH that fossil fuels are subsidized?

        https://www.eesi.org/papers/view/fact-sheet-fossil-fuel-subsidies-a-closer-look-at-tax-breaks-and-societal-costs

        The United States provides a number of tax subsidies to the fossil fuel industry as a means of encouraging domestic energy production. These include both direct subsidies to corporations, as well as other tax benefits to the fossil fuel industry. Conservative estimates put U.S. direct subsidies to the fossil fuel industry at roughly $20 billion per year; with 20 percent currently allocated to coal and 80 percent to natural gas and crude oil. European Union subsidies are estimated to total 55 billion euros annually.

        • Replies: @Lot
        , @nebulafox
      304. HA says:
        @Lot

        “There’s tons of Epstein accusers saying contradictory things…”

        Yes, that’s the advantage, so to speak, of preying on coked-up troubled young people, as wayward Catholic priests and British public school teachers have long noted with regard to those they target. Not only are such victims easier to establish a relationship with, given that their parents are absent and they lack and need guidance and mentoring, their accusations can later be brushed off as being the fevered imagination of a troubled drug-addled adolescent. Very convenient.

        But even if you think that all Epstein’s accusers all made everything up — I mean, hysteria and witch hunts do happen, no doubt — his friends like Prince Andrew and Maxwell have done him no favors in their subsequent actions. Moreover, as I noted, Jack D says much the same things about Weinstein, the Rotherham pimps, and even of Leo Frank’s propensity for having his way with the underage females of his staff (quite apart from the question of whether he ever murdered one). That’s an awful lot of witch hunts, or so it seems to me.

        • Replies: @Reg Cæsar
        , @Jack D
      305. Whether global warming is real or not, we should be going full nuclear power (e.g. at least a thousand 1 GW powerplants of the Gen IV technology or comparable capacity in small nuclear reactors) such that we could go to a full electric society. This was actually planned in the 60’s and early 70’s, until the anti-nuclear movement shut it down. Had we gone this way, our CO2 emissions would be zero (hydrocarbon fuels would be manufacturing using energy from nuclear powerplants and atmospheric CO2 as feedstock).

        So, it is the anti-nuclear activists of the 1970’s that are 100% to blame for global warming (assuming that it is real).

        • Replies: @Mr. Rational
        , @jsm
      306. @Dumbo

        >I don’t know, maybe hell was a rhetorical exaggeration, but lately I much prefer smaller cities or places in the country than large dysfunctional cities such as Sao Paulo, New York, London, L.A.

        I don’t see how this is true of New York. I live in Austin Texas generally considered to be well managed: low crime, reasonably amicable relations between the races: black, brown and white. When I visit NYC, the tenor of things seems much the same: fellow-citizenship, we’re all in this togetherism. I suspect that there might be a greater number of feral black teenagers on the prey than in Austin, although we have a fair number black on white assaults and crimes.

        I cannot speak to the other cities named, although I suspect Sao Paulo is to be avoided.

        • Replies: @ben tillman
      307. HA says:
        @Anonymous

        “Why do you write ‘ahem’?”

        To spare you a full listing of all the things CNN and other such publications dogwhistle about when they offer up words like “populist” (i.e., evil, Trumpian, fascist, right-wing, Nazi-esque, etc.) towards people like Kurtz.

        I mean, in stark contrast to noting that Hillary Clinton won the popular vote and should therefore be president. For some reason, that doesn’t make her a populist, though.

        I’m not sure how that works, and would rather ahem my way through it, but whatever it means, well, that’s what it means. (If it even means anything at all at this point.)

      308. @the one they call Desanex

        Matthew Yglesias

        Teamwise Ghastly
        Hews My Tailgates
        Agitates My Welsh
        Whites Sty Agleam
        Megawatt Shy Lies
        Myth Wastage Lies
        Slimy Agate Thews

      309. Lot says:
        @Paleo Liberal

        These “subsidies” are generally just favorable tax rules, mostly that allow a company to take deductions earlier than they are normally allowed.

        Such deductions are extremely common, and if they count as a “subsidy” then every major and most minor industries are subsidized. I think ALL manufacturing gets such early depreciation rules.

        Also, getting a $100 deduction in 2020 instead of 2022 isn’t worth $100, it has an economic value of about $4. So the amounts in your link are misleadingly large.

        A better definition: is the industry paying a lot of taxes net of direct subsidies?

        Exxon: Yes.
        Ethanol refiners: No.
        Tesla: No.
        FirstSolar: No.

        As a percentage of its untaxed price, the only things taxed as heavily as gasoline in America are tobacco and in some states distilled spirits. California has statewide cap and trade lite that taxes all major carbon use, including home energy and heating.

        My view on global warming, if you missed it before, is that it is real, somewhat exaggerated, and inevitable. The negative effects will be concentrated in the tropics, and could benefit the USA overall. I’d prefer to focus on other environmental issues, especially African overpopulation and heavy metal pollution of the air and ocean.

        • Replies: @anonymous
      310. anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:
        @Lot

        heavy metal pollution of the air and ocean.

        Could you tell us more about this?

        • Replies: @Lot
      311. @Lot

        (nukes and renewables) are very subsidized.

        These two things you conflate could not be treated more differently.

        “Renewables” (which is a catch-all term for technologies with almost nothing in common) are heavily subsidized with tax credits, “must-take” laws, “net metering” and “portfolio standards” which mandate purchase of at least X amount of “renewable energy”.  They are exempt from penalties for things like killing bald eagles and California condors.

        Commercial nuclear power is saddled with huge and uncontrollable costs for “regulation” which are set by the NRC in Washington, including full-time on-site inspectors.  All worker radiation exposure is subject to “As Low As Reasonably Achieveable” regulation, which is racheted downward all the time to the point where a single airline flight exposes you to more radiation than workers are allowed to receive in a year.  Each plant now has to pay for its own paramilitary security force capable of repelling hypothetical mass terrorist attacks (which is the job of the police and US military).  And apparently I need to mention the 1 mill/kWh “disposal fee” for used fuel which the US government collected, without ever taking the fuel away.

        Is there any other industry which has to pay for accidents at other plants the way Price-Anderson mandates?  No, it’s NOT a subsidy.  Neither railroads nor the oil industry got nailed after incinerating much of Lac Megantic and a few dozen of its inhabitants, but nuclear is singled out for unique scrutiny.  The fossil plants don’t have to pay for using the atmosphere as an open sewer either.

        The only nuclear subsidies in the USA since the 1960’s may someday go to the first-of-a-kind AP1000 plants at Vogtle.  They’ll get a production tax credit if they ever go into production, and as a FOAK project which endured all the teething pains the owners richly deserve it.  We need to prove that we can still build nuclear plants and they stepped up.

        If you see someone talking about “nuclear subsidies”, check to see if they’re including the defense budget.  If they are, they’re lying.

      312. @HA

        Yes, that’s the advantage, so to speak, of preying on coked-up troubled young people…

        …or adults in highly compromised positions. Say, you have access to the top detectives in Little Rock forty years ago, who learn that a certain Mrs Harvey is carrying on an affair with a Mr B, and would be reticent about bringing a less-than-consensual hotel tryst to the attention of the police.

        That you have more influence with those police than anyone else, and your wife has an even better legal education and can walk the tightrope of dissuading a victim without technically dissuading her– and need not know the gruesome details to do so– well, that makes everything all the easier.

        • Replies: @HA
      313. Jack D says:
        @HA

        In our society, the pendulum tends to swing from one extreme to the other. Either the gentleman in question is a pillar of the community or else he is a no good dirty slime ball and his accusers are pure white angels. Truth is a messy thing. There is usually plenty of blame to go around. Only rarely in such situations is there 1 side who is 100% at fault and the other who is 100% pure and innocent. It takes two to tango. Even high school girls know that if an older gentleman wants a massage that there are trained masseuses available and the gentleman is not plying her with wads of cash for her non-existent massage skills. No one is that naive. The fact that these women are coming forward sometime decades later and when Epstein is conveniently dead is a further indication that they should not be taken at face value. Even troubled coked up young people are still human beings with agency. I am not saying that this exonerates Epstein but neither does it make these girls into pure as the driven snow “victims” who deserve a major payday.

        • Agree: Johann Ricke
        • Replies: @nebulafox
      314. @Johann Ricke

        Johann Ricke wrote:

        So any Chinese leader looking to invade will want to be pretty sure of both victory and the high likelihood that this victory can be achieved at a reasonable cost.

        You’ve just given additional reasons to support Lot’s conclusions, contra your own initial statement.

        • Replies: @Johann Ricke
      315. @Lot

        No way. 1.0 and 1.5 TFR societies don’t engage in wars of conquest. No example ever.

        There are no examples, ever, of nations skewed heavily male– until now. They have enough “bare branches” to fill several armies. Losing millions of men to war would be a feature, not a bug. And certainly not a risk.

        • Replies: @Lot
        , @anon
      316. Anonymous[318] • Disclaimer says:
        @Anonymous

      317. nebulafox says:
        @Jack D

        >Even high school girls know that if an older gentleman wants a massage that there are trained masseuses available and the gentleman is not plying her with wads of cash for her non-existent massage skills. No one is that naive.

        I was. Never say never. (I’m a guy, so this never happened to me, but I would have been.)

        But the overwhelming majority of teenagers are not, I’d agree.

      318. nebulafox says:
        @Paleo Liberal

        The only place I’ve encountered oil subsidies was Indonesia, where there’s been a lot of political turbulence over the past four years over haphazard attempts to cut it. But I’ll readily admit that it isn’t something I pay a lot of attention to.

      319. @Jack D

        Anyone who grows up nebbishy but later in life acquires money and power that gives him access to women can act this way – Bill Clinton had the same problem and he’s not Jewish.

        Exhibit A: Tiger “Urkel” Woods

        Exhibit B: Jeff “sure I’ll pay billions for this worn-out high mileage mudshark” Bezos

      320. @J.Ross

        Better than Provo.

        Provo, like Pocatello, got religion.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Provo,_Utah

        Back on-topic, what would Old Glory look like for a billion of “us”? The USA and KSA following the old Provo design:

        Sorry, no RSA. But here’s Provocalivaria:

        This was published in Provo– on Ben Franklin’s birthday:

        Best and worst of city flags across America

      321. anonymous[251] • Disclaimer says:
        @dcthrowback

        Can you be a little more specific about that $1.2M town home in Dupont Circle? Have any photos? What kind of car does this #*$&@ drive? Paul Joseph Watson did some great video slamming Hollywood celebrities George Clooney and that Brit Bitch who wrote Harry Potter showed some of the palaces and also the Black African Migrant invaders now pooping in the streets of Coumo Italy and showed that George Clooney took in exactly zero migrants in any of his 6 + palaces in 8 countries.

        This can and should be done to Yglesias. Let Yglesias’ neighbors know that he’s demanding 600 million plus 3rd world migrants and many a lot will be allocated space on their block.

        We have to get better at doxing.

      322. @black sea

        I find people overrated, as a rule, and open spaces underrated. I’d prefer a bit less of the former and more of the latter.

        Among the virtues of open spaces is that, for those who choose to live in or visit them, they remind us that life is more than economics and consumption. Open spaces are a threat to the corporate/collectivist axis. Homo economicus finds it easier to herd people in tightly packed urban areas.

        Besides, Jews are still mentally attached to their European ghetto traditions. They are only comfortable in high-density living, and when they catch the scent of power, aim to make sure that their preferences are imposed on everyone.

        • Agree: Charon
        • Replies: @Anonymous
      323. J.Ross says:
        @Reg Cæsar

        >linked site lists Detroit as a failure
        >and lists Jacksonville, FL’s yellow and other yellow on white riff on the Whataburger logo as a success
        >also lists LA’s ridiculous Pan-African colors as a success
        Wow, just wow. Also, did a child write the text?
        Why is it so hard for people to
        –Color block: light on dark, never light on light, nor dark on dark. If need be, insert a border.
        –Don’t use hyper-specific, unique colors like the … khaki in Los Gatos (there are good exceptions to this, like the flag of Appalachia, which is in the specific colors of Appalachian wildflowers, but also adheres to all these rules).
        –Use a color once: no multiple shades of the same color.
        –Reject representational art and writing.
        –Keep the pattern simple and relevant.
        –Utilize the whole space.
        Look at European heraldic city and provincial flags. Localize the color scheme. Replace the medieval artefacts with something modern and relevant like a gear, an airplane or a pineapple. Congratulations, you now have something untouchably-with-a-power-gap superior to almost all US flags.

      324. Lot says:
        @Reg Cæsar

        “ They have enough “bare branches” to fill several armies.”

        Think for a moment about this, the bottom ~8% of Chinese men in the sexual market: the low IQ, the short even for China, the deformed, the painfully shy, the chronically unemployed school dropouts.

        There may be a lot of them, but I don’t see them as too formidable an army.

        And the “best” of this group probably have some reasonable hope of avoiding barebranchdom until they are 40 or 45, too old for combat.

      325. @Reg Cæsar

        Uh, that list of city flags is irrelevant because they left out the best city flag in the US:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Chicago

        Too bad the place itself is a disaster these days.

      326. @Kolya Krassotkin

        Israel is a proposition nation founded on an idea. Anyone can be an israeli if they embrace israeli values. In fact, in many ways these Israeli dreamers are MORE israeli since they actually CHOSE to live there rather than the stale olive males who through complete luck were born there. Israel can not succeed with whitish, B+, Israeli born citizens.

        Israel is going into multicultural mode and us wasps will be resented for our leading role, but without 50 million black people Israel will not survive.

      327. @Dr Van Nostrand

        I think it’s less to do with being betas and more to do with jewish culture dehumanizing white gentiles.

      328. ken says:
        @HA

        And the notion that we lose any of those things by tripling our population is laughable. You are just neo-Malthusian freaks, but this site is populated by doomsday advocates.

        • Replies: @HA
      329. @disordereded deacon

        There’s not much discussion of Cubans on this site, but they’re quite an interesting ethnicity.

        They’re very clannish, ethnically chauvinistic, socially aggressive, politically engaged, entrepreneurial, nepotistic, and economically successful. However, unless you live in South Florida, it’s easy to forget they exist.

        They very much fit in with the “Men with Gold Chains” that Steve Sailer frequently discusses. Pretty similar to Armenians, Persians, Middle Eastern Jews, Lebanese, and Greeks.

        Considering how much contempt they feel towards working-class Hispanic ethnic groups (Mexicans, Central Americans, Puerto Ricans, Dominicans), it’s almost funny that so many of them are claiming to be Hispanic leaders.

      330. ken says:
        @Anonymous

        The sky is falling, but I’ll wager innovation will keep this big ball spinning just fine for a few more generations. As I replied to another poster this site is populated by a very pessimistic crowd. Would you all just drink the kool-aid and leave the wide open spaces for the rest of us.

      331. HA says:
        @Reg Cæsar

        “…or adults in highly compromised positions.”

        Oh, it’s always going to be mess, I do get that, but it’s especially messy when the person involved is a messed up teen. What you and Lot and Jack D are saying just seems to validate (to me, anyway) that the laws that prevent those like Epstein from having sex with 16-year-olds, regardless of how normal or natural the underlying biological urges are. I mean, if BOTH partners are 16, then we kind of throw up our hands and let it pass, and I get that too, but to the extent someone is a functioning adult, he should probably have the sense to stick with, say, young-looking Asians or small-breasted petite women (or whatever other euphemism men type into the search engine when they don’t want to admit to themselves that they’re into jailbait).

        Moreover, Epstein is presumably a financially savvy individual, and he knows to the extent that damaged kids will one day seek someone to pay for that damage, deeper pockets — like his — will be the primary target. Despite all that, he still chased after Lolitas. If he’s not guilty of rape, he’s still someone hard to muster much sympathy for, but maybe that’s just me.

        And if we do choose to allow people like him to keep at it, then maybe we should give a pass whenever the 16-year-old’s brothers or father or uncle gather a few friends and find a rope and tree, because that’s what is going to happen to next, if not among whites, then among the more vibrant members of our brave new nation. Yeah, it’s natural to want to bone a 16-year-old, I guess. It’s also natural for fathers to be really protective of their daughters. That, too, is a biological imperative of sorts. Do we really want that? It’d work out great for Epstein, I guess, because then he could STAGE a lynching and afterwards secretly scurry off to Israel or Costa Rica or wherever.

        I’m not pearl-clutching about any of this, because it’s always going to messy, but it seems to me, you gotta draw a line and some age limits at some point and thereafter simply put up with the fact that wherever you drew it, some people will kvetch about how, no, it really needs to be shifted up or down a year. You can choose to be among the kvetchers, and that’s OK, but it’s water off a duck’s back at this point.

      332. Medvedev says:
        @nebulafox

        If you take into account that 2/3 of Japanese territory is covered by mountains they have even higher population density than Dutch.

        It would be better if both N America and Europe followed Japanese example and shut off mass immigration. EU population would decline from 511 to 300 mln people. With less density, more land, more affordable housing, less pressure from competing with high-IQ immigrants and supporting even hordes of low-IQ immigrants eventually people would start to have more children.

        Sadly, South Korea and Taiwan look more like puppets of the US rather then independent states. Eventually, they will follow US example if not worse. Taiwan already sanctioned pro-gay laws against will of the people. Both Taiwan and South Korea are looking into significantly increasing current immigration levels and taking more refugees.

        My only hope is that Japanese will not succumb to pressure and will maintain homogeneous society.

        • Replies: @Adam Smith
      333. HA says:
        @ken

        “And the notion that we lose any of those things by tripling our population is laughable.”

        We’ve already lost a fair amount, if you haven’t noticed. And if you want to pretend that tripling our population would NOT result in more parking lots and strip malls (and mini-Bosnias), then I’ll trade my alleged pessimism for your pie-eyed rose-colored lies any day of the week.

        At some point, peak population is going to hit, and the world will have to figure out how to make do with the people we have. Somehow Americans have managed to defend their borders for over two centuries despite having far fewer people and a whole lot more empty space. Is it all going to come crashing down because there’s too much open space remaining? Maybe, but you got consider all the tradeoffs.

        I really don’t think packing any of the remaining open spaces will solve the problems we have before us, nor do I think the last 50 years of packing has solved more problems than it has created.

      334. Medvedev says:
        @jrl

        There is a sort of internal logic to it, as China and US are almost the same geographical size but the US has a much smaller population.

        Why do we even need to compete with China in size of GDP? Does Switzerland need to increase its population to compete with Bangladesh? Does Australia need to increase its population to compete with India?
        Quality of life, GDP per capita, affordability of housing, clean water and air matter more than ever-increasing economy.

        • Agree: Mr McKenna
      335. anon[160] • Disclaimer says:
        @Reg Cæsar

        They have enough “bare branches” to fill several armies. Losing millions of men to war would be a feature, not a bug. And certainly not a risk.

        Even in China there must be some degree of consent between the people and rulers. The vast majority of those young men are only children of two parents and four grandparents.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_emperor_syndrome

        Plus China has some of the same problems as the US. Although one never knows, such news stories as these could just be disinformation.

        https://www.asianage.com/india/all-india/250817/more-than-50-per-cent-youth-unfit-to-join-china-army.html

        http://shanghaiist.com/2017/08/24/too-fat-for-pla/

        It isn’t clear how many young Chinese men have been sent to various parts of east Africa like Djibouti, but it’s happening as part of the resource grab.

      336. Charon says:
        @Lot

        Dear sir: your final paragraph is both insanely funny and tragically accurate.

        • Agree: bomag
        • Thanks: Lot
      337. Anon[146] • Disclaimer says:
        @JohnnyWalker123

        I come from Spanish stock. I even know Cubans that are Spanish descendants. Very difficult not to think the gentile grandpa wasn’t jewish also.. or rootless for some reason. The men just didn’t marry jewish. Though wealthy jews did want wealth spanish-stock girls.

        • Replies: @Lot
      338. @PhysicistDave

        You’ve just given additional reasons to support Lot’s conclusions, contra your own initial statement.

        That’s like saying Hitler had no balls because he waited until 1939 to overrun Poland instead of doing so from a standing start in 1933. The difference between someone like Hitler and the people who built the Chinese empire is the latter understood how to match ends to means. That’s why China is a 2000-year Reich and whereas Germany’s was aborted in the womb.

        Note that Germany was the #2 premier industrial economy in world in 1933, despite the havoc wreaked by the Great Depression. Whereas China’s economy is 1/2 the size of the US merely because its 1.4b population is 4.5x the US.

        But they are close enough that they could act on their goals sooner than anyone thinks. They are keenly watching what the US does for signs of irresolution. One chink in the armor, and they will make their move. The Chinese way of war is very different from the bet-it-all-on-black nature of Hitler’s advances. Hitler wanted to win it all in his lifetime. Chinese rulers are content with incrementalism, because conquered lands must be assimilated into the empire for these additions to become permanent. And only with permanence can lasting reputational gains be acquired.

        https://www.timemaps.com/history/china-500bc/

        • Replies: @anon
        , @PhysicistDave
      339. @Anonymouse

        I don’t see how this is true of New York. I live in Austin Texas generally considered to be well managed: low crime, reasonably amicable relations between the races: black, brown and white.

        Up here in Dallas, we generally consider Austin to be poorly managed with horrendous traffic. And race relations are always easy, and crime is always low, when you have virtually no blacks.

        • Replies: @Anonymouse
      340. anon[342] • Disclaimer says:
        @Johann Ricke

        They are keenly watching what the US does for signs of irresolution. One chink in the armor, and they will make their move.

      341. Anonymous[166] • Disclaimer says:
        @Loosely Speaking

        Besides, Jews are still mentally attached to their European ghetto traditions. They are only comfortable in high-density living

        It’s not so much about nostalgia as forcing play onto a field that minimizes weaknesses relative to other groups. Athleticism, speed, visuospatial ability are less valuable in a dense, cramped environment.

        • Replies: @Jack D
      342. BB753 says:
        @bigdicknick

        Our elites know this. That’s why it’s a giant swindle. When the shit hits the fan, they’ll be long dead (like David Rockefeller) or retired somewhere far away like New Zealand.

      343. @William Badwhite

        I believe desalination is really noisiness as well.

        • Replies: @Lot
      344. Anonymous[202] • Disclaimer says:
        @Chrisnonymous

        talking point that resource management isn’t important “because technology.”

        A long time ago, people thought it would be impossible to fly and a million times impossible to go to the moon. And then we did it. Ever since, there has been a sort of folk belief that nothing is impossible because we have actually done the impossible. Well, of course the truth is we just did something that seemed impossible but really wasn’t.

        But there is no end to this kind of magical thinking that anything is possible because science or technology, but of course, that is not true.

      345. @Abelard Lindsey

        it is the anti-nuclear activists of the 1970’s that are 100% to blame for global warming (assuming that it is real).

        California burned this year, most of Australia is burning right now, and I’m in near-thaw conditions at 45° North.  Just how much more “real” do things have to get to convince you?

      346. Anon[308] • Disclaimer says:

        Yglesias is a mindless agitator for his real causes, nothing more. Consider his book akin to a sea turtle laying thousands of eggs: more turtles than nature needs or will actually accept. He’s hoping that his big play “one billion people” can’t but help have the smaller ripple effects that he actually wants (one billion is ridiculous, but 600 million seems reasonable in comparison!… or whatever political-tone effect that he hopes would ripple out as a type of compromise to his insane bar).

        What agitators like Yglesias intentionally leave out of their propaganda, on this topic, is that this nation cannot physically nor economically sustain one billion people. Its barely sustaining what we now have (see the homeless rate). These jackals think that Americans, looking at the political map, will see a vast, uninhabited nation and agree with his nonsensical, decontextualized position. They will think that this nation can simply be infilled with people.

        The truth is that geography is highly determinant of what land can and cannot be successfully inhabited in any nation.

        The map that Americans need to look at is the topographical one that tells the real story (or better, the Google satellite map).

        What the topographical map tells us is that most of this nation is uninhabitable due to the fact that its a desert, covered in mountains, or covered in dense forest and inland.

        Why desert and mountain areas are largely uninhabitable, save for some transportation nodes like Phoenix, is self explanatory.

        Most sustainable economy is based on trade, which means water access, or farming: which means regions that are not naturally forested.

        Forested, inland regions are not generally poorer due to a defect in the people, but because geography limits the economic ceiling in those regions.

        Simply, the flow of money that is the lifeblood of any area is naturally less in forested regions. In some of those regions that haven’t invented themselves to serve some other nationally crucial purpose (like farming, transportation, and port cities serve) the flow can be a mere trickle or worse.

        In sum, the economically and physically viable places in this nation are already packed like sardine cans. There is no where to put one billion Americans that is not in severely impoverished regions and with nothing much to do in terms of economic possibility.

        Yglesias is a dishonest agitator and he knows it. He’s harmful to this nation and would do much better to relocate back to one of his originating lands such as Cuba, Eastern Europe, or his ethnonationalist state of Israel.

        • Agree: Mr. Rational
      347. Lot says:
        @Anon

        “ Very difficult not to think the gentile grandpa wasn’t jewish”

        He was a Galacian whose surname means “Churches,” which would be odd for a Jew. The normal spelling with an i is a common Spanish christian surname.

        Intermarriage between upper class Christians and Jews was very high in Latin America. The leader of the anti-Maduro opposition in Venezuela until a couple years ago is a half-Jewish Christian.

        Maduro also claims to have some distant Jewish ancestry, but this has not been verified with any specific names or records.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
        , @Reg Cæsar
        , @Anon
      348. Lot says:
        @Steve Sailer

        Carlsbad Desal is the largest in the Western Hemisphere and says this:

        “Is the facility noisy?
        No. The plant is completely sound-proof from the exterior. The only source of noise is the high-speed electrical pumps, which are acoustically attenuated to meet or exceed the City of Carlsbad’s noise ordinances and the entire plant is screened by a soundwall.”

        The nearest house is a beach house about 400 feet away, and the noise would be 58db if there were no soundproofing at all.

        I don’t know about the economics of the whole thing, but it is nice to see California successfully build something gigantic and world class in a rich and fairly dense area. It was completed and in operation a year ahead of schedule.

        • Replies: @Steve Sailer
      349. Lot says:
        @anonymous

        Mercury and lead pollution is very toxic and hard to clean up after it happens, and is more persistent than some other pollutants because they aren’t rendered harmless by decomposition.

        Fixing that is better than worrying about harmless CO2.

      350. Anonymous[388] • Disclaimer says:
        @Lot

        The leader of the anti-Maduro opposition in Venezuela until a couple years ago is a half-Jewish Christian.

        There is a significant Jewish population in Venezuela and by some accounts its members are very wealthy as a general matter. If they oppose Maduro, it is not surprising.

      351. @The Wild Geese Howard

        Uh, that list of city flags is irrelevant because they left out the best city flag in the US:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Chicago

        I can never keep these two straight:

        https://thetylt.com/culture/which-city-has-a-better-flag-washington-d-c-or-chicago

        Buffalo’s is downright electric:

        Like it’s plugged into Niagara-Mohawk’s main generator. Beats either of the Niagara Falls city flags.

      352. @Lot

        He was a Galacian whose surname means “Churches,” which would be odd for a Jew.

        Don’t you mean “Galician”, Iberian iteration? There are also Eastern European Galicians, and once Galatians in Asia Minor, who may have spoken a Celtic tongue.

        Noel Ignatiev had a very odd name for a Jew, first and last.

        • Agree: Lot
        • Replies: @Anonymous
      353. @Johann Ricke

        Johann Ricke wrote to me:

        The Chinese way of war is very different from the bet-it-all-on-black nature of Hitler’s advances. Hitler wanted to win it all in his lifetime. Chinese rulers are content with incrementalism, because conquered lands must be assimilated into the empire for these additions to become permanent. And only with permanence can lasting reputational gains be acquired.

        Could be. I just found it ironic that your apparent disagreement with Lot seemed really to be agreement.

        From what I know of Chinese history and culture (and I married into a Chinese immigrant family, so I have seen some of this personally), my impression is that the Chinese attitude is that once you have civilized yourselves enough to be worthy of being included in the Chinese cultural sphere, then they will consider accepting you as (junior) members. Perhaps that is much the same as your point?

        In which case, the West has only to fear the West’s own decadence: Chinese dominance will only come if the West loses its own dynamism and appeal, which the West seems to be doing completely on its own.

      354. Dr. Doom says:

        He wants 2800 non-whites to break his legs and crack open his skull.

        Its in annudder book.

        Brooklyn writ large.

      355. Anonymous[424] • Disclaimer says:
        @Reg Cæsar

        Noel Ignatiev had a very odd name for a Jew, first and last.

        Is David Ignatius Jewish?

      356. Anon[182] • Disclaimer says:
        @Lot

        Perhaps you mean gallego? From Galicia, Spain? I can speak with some knowledge of Spanish-descended Latin Americans. Of course I may be wrong. Christian and upper class Catholics are two different things. Little love lost with jews.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      357. MEH 0910 says:

        NYT:

        Who Are You Calling Dense?
        Paul Krugman
        August 30, 2010

        Matt Yglesias has a nice post about population density, basically arguing that you don’t need to have high-rise metropolises to have remarkably high density compared with the US average.

        I’d quarrel a bit, however, with his characterization of New Jersey as the “quintessential suburban state.” He’s right in the sense that the two principal cities of this state are New York and Philadelphia. But a lot of NJ isn’t even suburban: there’s a lot of open country, and even a fair bit of wilderness.

        Which brings me to Isaac Asimov.

        Asimov, and specifically the Foundation trilogy, was my great inspiration; I became an economist because I wanted to be a psychohistorian, saving civilization through the mathematics of human behavior. But one thing always bothered me: Trantor, the capital of the Galactic Empire, which was described as one gigantic city, completely covering the planet’s land surface — so as to house its population of 45 billion people.

        The problem is obvious: as described, Trantor would have a population density of about 600 per square mile; New Jersey has more than 1100 people per square mile. And completely covered in metal it isn’t, unless we’re talking about the turnpike during rush hour.

        Update: Yglesias writes in to say that he already wrote about Trantor and about similar confusion in The Caves of Steel. I’d cut Caves a bit of slack, though; it’s obviously a parable about nerdy Jewish kids from Brooklyn and their feelings of inferiority in the face of blond, athletic, but slightly stupid upper-class WASPs.

      358. MEH 0910 says:
        @MEH 0910

        • Replies: @BB753
        , @J.Ross
      359. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
        @MEH 0910

        Punchably McPunchface Krugman ignores the fact that New Jersey is a high ecumene area, e.g., most of its land area is amenable to human settlement. Compare that to the Plains states, Alaska, or much of the Southwest. Indeed, a good chunk of California is uninhabitable and a good chunk of it that is is sequestered as park or other government land.

        Kansas, for example, is all dry worthless scrub west of Salina/Wichita. It’s a long way from Wichita to the Colorado state line. Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico have relatively little land suited to any substantial population density.

        West Texas likewise has a lot of worthless scrub.

        The Dakotas, Wyoming, Montana, etc. also-a lot of marginally habitable land with a few spots where if you can put up with the weather a small city is feasible.

        • Replies: @Jack D
      360. MEH 0910 says:
        @MEH 0910

        Isaac Asimov on Overpopulation

        Bill Moyers conversation with science fiction writer Isaac Asimov.
        From “A World of Ideas with Bill Moyers” (1988).

        Full transcript can be found at: https://billmoyers.com/content/isaac-asimov-on-his-faith-in-the-power-of-human-reason/

      361. @Lot

        Do they use the desalination plant in Carlsbad now that it has started raining again?

        It’s a nice thing to have during a drought.

        • Replies: @Lot
      362. black sea says:
        @MEH 0910

        I became an economist because I wanted to be a psychohistorian, saving civilization through the mathematics of human behavior.

        I wonder if young Paul was clever enough to keep that particular ambition to himself during high school.

      363. @Anonymous

        Hell, there’s a state in India the size of Utah but with 200 million people.

        Indeed. About 237 million now.

        http://www.indiaonlinepages.com/population/uttar-pradesh-population.html

        • Replies: @silviosilver
      364. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
        @ken

        Actually, the USA is now a nett food importer.

      365. BB753 says:
        @MEH 0910

        Walter Breen, a militant pedophile involved with NAMBLA, was married to lesbian author Marion Zimmer Bradley (of Mists of Avalon fame), and raised their children to become homosexuals, through sexual abuse and neo-pagan rituals.
        https://www.mercatornet.com/mobile/view/in-ten-to-thirty-years-the-survivors-will-speak-out

        Moira Greyland, daughter of this peculiar “power couple” wrote a book about her horrific upbringing.

        • Replies: @BB753
      366. Bert says:
        @Buzz Mohawk

        I agree with you on all points. My first North American ancestor arrived in 1630 and none arrived after the Revolution. However, this is about the Jews. They have no interest in the well-being of either the natural evironment of North America or the descendants of the founding population of North America. And they have their nuclear weapons available to ensure that we can never free ourselves from them.

      367. Lot says:
        @Steve Sailer

        I’d guess it runs at full capacity 24/7.

        It produces 7% of the county’s water at a slightly lower cost than importing it.

        The major water districts agreed to long term purchase agreements. When they have more water than needed they refill their reservoirs.

      368. Bert says:
        @Jake

        I learned about their “logic” back in 1968 when my Israeli-American girlfriend told me that her parents would “go nuts” if they knew she was going out with someone from Alabama. Her parents lived across the street from Moshe Dayan, so that was my earliest view of top-level Jewish thinking.

        Jews disdain the descendants of those who built the society in North America that they used as a place of refuge and opportunity. They merely transferred their xenophobic attitudes from Slavs to all white Americans.

      369. @Mr. Rational

        Exaggeration doesn’t help. “Most” of Australia is certainly not burning.

      370. @PiltdownMan

        The late Chris Brand (“The G-factor”) used to refer to it as the Indian state of Utter Rubbish, which always got a chuckle out of me.

      371. MEH 0910 says:
        @Chrisnonymous

        No sombrero photo?

        No.


        [MORE]

      372. Anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:
        @Anon

        Christian and upper class Catholics are two different things.

        What is the difference?

      373. @ben tillman

        >Up here in Dallas, we generally consider Austin to be poorly managed with horrendous traffic. And race relations are always easy, and crime is always low, when you have virtually no blacks.

        Austin’s automobile traffic is an unsolvable problem due to the booming local economy. It has nothing to do with city management, it is a function of our collective reliance on the automobile. I looked up Austin’s demographics and you are spot 0n. I had not realized that Austin was only 8% black. NYC is 25% black and the low crime rate indicates that Negroes in NYC are generally law-abiding except for their feral teen-agers. One’s sense of security is pretty much the same in both Austin and NYC.

        Austin’s city council is for the most part your typical SJW Dem. politician which is misleading as the city is run by professional city management: public works, electricity and water, owned by the city and not privatized, police, fire department, park department, are all well-run by professionals.

        Austin’s left-wing politics is just hot air and relates to nothing. I live here and you don’t and I can reassure you that life is pleasant here and the city’s management is top-notch. Ask around with friends who are familiar with Austin if you don’t believe me.

      374. @BB753

        The problem here is high immirgrant states are already losing population New York, California grew the lowest since 1900. Birth rates are now lower in immirgrant states than non-immirgrant states. Mexican birth rates in California are lower than whites in North Dakota.

        • Replies: @BB753
      375. Jack D says:
        @Anonymous

        Isn’t all of Las Vegas, for example (pop. 2.6 million) “dry worthless scrubland”? Isn’t it better to settle the people on dry worthless scrubland and leave the fertile farmland in crops? With air conditioning and water piped in, there is pretty much nowhere in the US that can’t be heavily settled except for the small % of land that is extremely mountainous (and in places like LA people live on steep hillsides too).

        The reason that no one lives in western Kansas is that there’s never been a good reason to live there. The climate is not appealing either. But if there was (let’s say that Amazon decided to put its HQ in Garden City or Boeing decided to build a new factory there) it would be no problem to have a big city there.

      376. @Corvinus

        Nana’s neighbor was right.

        • Replies: @Corvinus
      377. black sea says:
        @Jack D

        Las Vegas is directly dependent upon Lake Mead, the largest reservoir in the US. There aren’t a lot of potential Lake Meads out there waiting to be created.

      378. @Jack D

        With air conditioning and water piped in, there is pretty much nowhere in the US that can’t be heavily settled

        There is the pesky prerequisite that the water to be “piped in” exist someplace. The Colorado River is pretty much tapped out (very little reaches the Gulf of California).

        The reason that no one lives in western Kansas is that there’s never been a good reason to live there.

        It is decent farmland if irrigated (or “piped in” if you prefer). Again, irrigation (moving water from point A to point B) requires the water to exist someplace.

        Much of the western US is only inhabitable because water is moved there. The Hetch Hetchy makes the Bay Area inhabitable at its current size, the Owens Valley makes most of the LA area inhabitable for 10mm+ people. The Colorado River makes Vegas, Phoenix, Tucson, etc inhabitable. There is a natural limit to these water sources.

        Iglesias suffers from Urban Jew Syndrome: Just another flabby loudmouth that would put his eye out if he picked up a screwdriver, he doesn’t know how things actually work, or where his water, food, and electricity come from; yet he has the arrogance (chutzpah if you prefer) to opine anyway. In other words, he’s just another BS-filled con artist.

        • Agree: Charon
        • Replies: @Jack D
        , @J.Ross
      379. @Mr. Rational

        Then we had better get busy building those nuclear power plants, shouldn’t we?

        Building them the Thorcon approach could easily scale up to where we could have that 1 TerraWatt production capacity in 10 years and globally within 30 years. If you are not advocating the massive (and I mean MASSIVE) buildup of nuclear power, then you are not serious about the global warming issue.

        • Replies: @Mr. Rational
      380. jsm says:
        @Abelard Lindsey

        Aye. … and, yeah, uranium light water reactors are kinda nervous-making. But even the advocates for nuclear way back when said, this is just the first generation. Next gen nuclear reactors will be much safer. And they would have been. There are walk-away-safe reactor designs out there today, where the reactor passively shuts itself down if anything is remiss. So, while the No Nukes might have had a point about the first reactors being “scary,” instead of demanding better reactor design, they went off the deep end that any radiation at all would cause mutant babies. Nah. Low level radiation is actually good for you. Google radiation hormesis.

        Wouldn’t it have been lovely to already not to have to stop at the cold gas station and stand in the wind to fill up, if we had effective electric cars and the infrastructure for it? Just come home, drive into your garage, plug in, go in the house. Dang it, I *wanted* that, and I’m not even an eco-nut.

        • Replies: @Mr. Rational
      381. Yglesias probably got the 1 billion “Americans”idea and phrase from Lutheran pro-natalist demographer Lyman Stone.

      382. >Iglesias suffers from Urban Jew Syndrome: Just another flabby loudmouth that would put his eye out if he picked up a screwdriver, he doesn’t know how things actually work, or where his water, food, and electricity come from.

        Sadly, I can confirm that stereotype. I was amazed that all my friends, Jewish intellectual types at Brooklyn College, were unable to remove the removable lid of a toilet and look inside to see that the flapper had not reseated itself so that the toilet was continually running. Luckily my Jewish father was a merchant seaman and there was a small toolbox in the hall closet with screwdriver, hammer, plier and the like. So practical wisdom somehow rubbed off on me, also a Jewish intellectual type.

      383. Jack D says:
        @Anonymous

        Athleticism, speed, visuospatial ability are less valuable in a dense, cramped environment.

        I guess you have never been in Zabars when they put out the last container of whitefish salad.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      384. Jack D says:
        @William Badwhite

        Crops require a lot of water (it requires 1,900 gals of water to grow 1 lb. of almonds or over 1 gallon for each almond) so if you are willing to take away some of those farmers’ water entitlements you can have a lot more people. This is more of a political issue than a real one.

        We also waste a lot of water. There are millions of 3 gallon flush toilets still in service even though newer ones use 1/2 or 1/3 as much. Lawn watering, uncovered swimming pools, etc. Like driving around in giant SUVs and taking lots of flights for no good reason and getting rid of every last incandescent bulb, we are not really serious about water (or energy) conservation. Maybe we shouldn’t be but for whatever reason we’re not really serious about it.

      385. Medvedev says:
        @JR.Ewing.78

        What I don’t understand is why proponents of uncontrolled immigration think that the United States won’t change if you triple its population, especially with people who don’t come from the same legal and moral tradition? Do they think we don’t have enough litter? Do they really think that the gays will keep their “rights” if a bunch of immigrants come in?

        Because all people are the same, we are equal, there is only one race human race and immigrants will just become good liberals.
        All are equal and the same with one exception … Whites are inherently racist, responsible for all evil and bad that happened, happens or may happen in the future. | leftist logic at its finest

      386. Medvedev says:
        @Jack D

        Maybe I just like driving SUV with a child in a car seat, comfy, plenty of space, able to pack a lot into car’s trunk, drive into mountains, hike, camp with my kiddo with plenty of nature with clean air and water. I am not sure that driving SMART or even motorcycle with kiddo holding onto my back like a monkey is just as good.

        There are millions of 3 gallon flush toilets still in service even though newer ones use 1/2 or 1/3 as much.

        Only because some White/Asian improved flushing mechanism doesn’t mean that I need to bring strangers and homeless from the street and pack 2-3 times more people into my house. Quality of my and my kids’ life will suffer. Neither our country should pack 2-3 times more people and let the others suffer the consequences.

        • Replies: @Jack D
      387. Anonymous[292] • Disclaimer says:
        @Jack D

        The Empire is terminally ill. It has heart disease and Stage 4 cancer. It is not going to die today or tomorrow or even in the next few election cycles, but die it will. Younger people reading this will see the USA as a single sovereign nation either reduced to a rump state or gone entirely.

        I will be dead by then, most likely. As will most people now past their late thirties or thereabouts. I give it 25 to 50 years.

        • Replies: @Corvinus
      388. @Medvedev

        South Korea is a U.S. colony.

      389. BB753 says:
        @BB753

        Here’s an interview of Moira Greyland on the Sci-fi scene and Renaissance fairs, which attracted a lot of dangerous loonies in the 1960’s and 1970’s, including pedophiles, neo-pagans/satanists, extreme BSDM types, serial killers like Leonard Lake who filmed hundreds or snuff films, and Dungeons and Dragons fans, who were not a harmless bunch, far from that. She also tells how she was sexually abused since she was a toddler by her own mother and basically every male and female member of her parent’s circle until her late teens.
        Her father died in prison, a convicted pedophile, his victims numbering in the hundreds.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      390. @Jack D

        so if you are willing to take away some of those farmers’ water entitlements you can have a lot more people.

        Makes sense. Its not like the billion person America will need food. Also entirely reworking riparian law and property rights across a few dozen states seems like a small price to pay for everything to be shitty and crowded and fat, effete’ Urban Jew Syndrome sufferers like Iglesias can feel safe, or whatever it is he’s seeking. I’ll pass.

        Maybe we can change: “O beautiful for spacious skies, For amber waves of grain, For purple mountain majesties Above the fruited plain!” to something else, instead of amber waves of grain, it could be “endless waves of 3rd worlders” or “brown waves of grim humanity”. I’m still working on it.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      391. J.Ross says:
        @William Badwhite

        A guy who doesn’t know where food comes from but tells every else how to live.

        That’s not a con artist, that’s nobility (cf the Earl of Lemon Grab), after they figured leaving the titles off would prevent revolts.

      392. @Abelard Lindsey

        Then we had better get busy building those nuclear power plants, shouldn’t we?

        Absolutely.  Better yet would have been never stopping, but that ship sailed about 40 years ago.

        Building them the Thorcon approach could easily scale up to where we could have that 1 TerraWatt production capacity in 10 years and globally within 30 years.

        ThorCon has a really clever concept but it appears to me that they would have supply issues at the scale required.  More radical solutions are needed to push to 100% non-fossil.

        If you are not advocating the massive (and I mean MASSIVE) buildup of nuclear power, then you are not serious about the global warming issue.

        I am, very much.  Figure out what 100 quadrillion BTU (quads) a year is.  That’s roughly the raw US energy consumption.  Anyone who can work a calculator can figure out that we’re not going to get it from pinwheels and black rectangles and store it in batteries, but a thousand tons of uranium or thorium does it all.

      393. J.Ross says:
        @MEH 0910

        Asimov describing a walk down a hallway with a six foot blonde —
        She: Does it intimidate you to meet a woman taller than yourself?
        He: No. If we were lying down, I’d be taller.
        also
        >confronted
        >after groping his girlfriend
        Not a random woman, not someone clearly sending out signals of nonconsent, not a professional subordinate trusting Asimov’s authority. His girlfriend, the one person Asimov is supposed to signal interest in.

      394. @jsm

        Wouldn’t it have been lovely to already not to have to stop at the cold gas station and stand in the wind to fill up, if we had effective electric cars and the infrastructure for it?

        If you don’t mind slow charging, your infrastructure is the 15 A outlet in your garage already.  Or wherever someone will let you plug in.

        Just come home, drive into your garage, plug in, go in the house. Dang it, I *wanted* that

        You could have had it years ago.  You can get any number of BMWs, Subarus, Volkswagens and other models which are “plug-in hybrids” (PHEVs).  Sedans, hatchbacks, SUVs I believe, and there was a Pacifica minivan (and may still be).  I have a PHEV.  I only have to add gas when I go out of town.  I wouldn’t give it up for the world.

      395. Anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:
        @Jack D

        Athleticism, speed, visuospatial ability are less valuable in a dense, cramped environment.

        I guess you have never been in Zabars when they put out the last container of whitefish salad.

        Everything is relative!

      396. Anonymous[329] • Disclaimer says:
        @William Badwhite

        so Iglesias can feel safe, or whatever it is he’s seeking. I’ll pass.

        He may be seeking safety in part. (He did predict there would be pogroms in the United States if Trump won in 2016.) However he is also probably acting out of feelings of inferiority. European people pose a competitive threat in the job and mating marketplaces.

      397. Jack D says:
        @Medvedev

        What is desirable and what is possible are two different things. China shows us that a billion people is POSSIBLE. Those who are saying that it couldn’t be done – that we would starve or die of thirst are wrong – it CAN be done with the resources that we already have (if not necessarily at the same standard of living).

        That leads us to the next question – is it desirable? The answers around here are pretty much unanimously no, and I can’t say that I disagree, but then again, I liked the 200 million person America even better than the one we have (and if I was old enough to remember it, I would have liked the 100 million person of America of 1920 even more and most of the increment from 100 to 200 was thru natural increase and not immigration). Iglesias makes some arguments about why 1 billion is better than 300 million – I don’t find them convincing but they are not entirely without merit either. There is no magic population # that is the “best”.

        When it comes to thinks like driving giant SUVs, sure, I like a big car too. But sometimes (and I’m not saying it’s so in this instance) you might have to make individual sacrifices for the collective good.

        Most people today don’t remember this because it’s been so long, but back in the ’60s, LA had a photo-chemical smog problem – UV light from the sun would react with the NOx from cars and produce a terrible and unhealthy brown haze almost every day that there was not a strong wind blowing. Now just you giving up your SUV would have not have fixed this but EVERYONE giving up their car would have. As it worked out, we figured out emissions controls so that everyone could keep their car, but if we hadn’t, you might have had to give up that car for the collective good even though it is of great utility to you and your family.

      398. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
        @Jack D

        The reason that no one lives in western Kansas is that there’s never been a good reason to live there. The climate is not appealing either.

        No water is a big reason. No one lived in Salt Lake City before the Mormons, but there were enough resources to make it possible. They didn’t move to where there is absolutely no one today.

        There are a couple of spaces in western Kansas where some expansion would be feasible, but you are not going to build a Kansas City or even another Wichita out there. If Kansas has to take many more people they are all going to Kansas City, maybe Lawrence or Topeka, and maybe Wichita. None of which would be drastically improved by more people. Wichita could use a few more of the right people, but not too many more.

        • Replies: @Steve Sailer
      399. Anonymous[427] • Disclaimer says:
        @BB753

        I met the Zimmer-Bradley/Breens once. I could not put my finger on what but they were really scary/funky and, not to be metaphysical, they “gave off a bad vibe”. I just thought there was something wrong with me because they seemed objectively okay.

        It was odd.

        • Replies: @BB753
      400. @Anonymous

        Are there any small cities in Canada outside of the big metro areas that get a lot of immigrants? Or do Vancouver Canadians move to Kamloops to get out of expensive Vancouver?

      401. @Jack D

        Iglesias makes some arguments about why 1 billion is better than 300 million – I don’t find them convincing but they are not entirely without merit either. There is no magic population # that is the “best”.

        No, there isn’t a specific number, but after a certain tipping point less is better than more. Practically everywhere on this globe has reached that tipping point.

        By the way, your constant “on the one hand, but on the other hand” is giving me whiplash.

        • Replies: @Jack D
      402. MEH 0910 says:

        Fredrik deBoer also has a book coming out:

        https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250200372

        All Points Books
        St. Martin’s Publishing Group
        On Sale: 08/04/2020
        ISBN: 9781250200372


        [MORE]

        Leftist firebrand Fredrik deBoer exposes the lie at the heart of our educational system and demands top to bottom reform.

        Everyone agrees that education is the key to creating a more just and equal world, and that our schools are broken and failing. Preposed reforms variously target incompetent teachers, corrupt union practices, or outdated curricula, but no one acknowledges a scientifically-proven fact that we all understand intuitively: academic potential varies between individuals, and cannot be dramatically improved. In The Cult of Smart, educator and outspoken leftist Fredrik deBoer exposes this omission as the central flaw of our entire society, which has created and perpetuated an unjust class structure based on intellectual ability.

        Since cognitive talent varies from person to person, our education system can never create equal opportunity for all. Instead, it teaches our children that heirarchy and competition are natural, and that human value should be based on intelligence. These ideas are counter to everything that the left believes, but until they acknowledge the existence of individual cognitive differences, progressives remain complicit in keeping the status quo in place.

        This passionate, voice-driven manifesto demands that we embrace a new goal for education: equality of outcomes. We must create a world that has a place for everyone, not just the academically talented. But we’ll never achieve this dream until the Cult of Smart is destroyed.

        • Replies: @MEH 0910
        , @MEH 0910
      403. MEH 0910 says:
        @MEH 0910

        As far as I can tell, deBoer is a bell curve realist, but not a race realist. He believes all races share the same IQ bell curve.

      404. @Jack D

        What we need are SUVs that emit a nuclear winter, to counteract global warming brought about by older SUVs.

      405. Corvinus says:
        @The Anti-Gnostic

        “Nana’s neighbor was right.”

        About too many Eastern and Southern Europeans coming to the States as immigrants? How anti-white of you to pronounce. You’re not going to make very many friends who you seek to join in your crusade.

        Pray tell, what is your ethnic background?

        • Replies: @The Anti-Gnostic
      406. Corvinus says:
        @Anonymous

        “It is not going to die today or tomorrow or even in the next few election cycles, but die it will.”

        Generation Z is poised to revive it. But feel free to spout Chicken Little nonsense.

      407. BB753 says:
        @cynthia curran

        How is that a problem? Excuse me, what is your point?

      408. BB753 says:
        @Anonymous

        I can’t blame you. Most sci-fi/ fantasy writers are odd, each in a different way. For instance, doesn’t George R. R. Martín strike you as weird? Of course there’s a line between being an eccentric and being a criminal.
        But it’s strange that nobody realized that Breen and Bradley were bearding for each other, as Marion Zimmer Bradley was openly lesbian and butch.
        Also, those Renaissance fairs in the 70s and 80s were teeming with criminal activity but the police looked the other way.

        • Replies: @Jack D
      409. Corvinus says:
        @The Anti-Gnostic

        “Anglo settler stock.”

        That’s vague. Specifically, both sides come from…

      410. Jack D says:
        @BB753

        Also, those Renaissance fairs in the 70s and 80s were teeming with criminal activity but the police looked the other way.

        Yeah, man, bootleg mead, unlicensed lances being sold underground, counterfeit frankincense – it was awful!

        • Replies: @BB753
        , @BB753
      411. Jack D says:
        @Loosely Speaking

        By the way, your constant “on the one hand, but on the other hand” is giving me whiplash.

        I’m sorry but the truth is that every difficult question has two sides to it. Too often around here it sounds like an echo chamber (and so do Leftist outlets like the NY Times). Not being challenged leads to intellectual laziness – you see stuff printed in the NY Times that is ridiculous on its face because there’s no one left to challenge the ridiculous assumptions and pretension of the Left. In the case of Yglesias, everyone jumped on his ONE BILLION number and his immigration position and the fact that he is 75%, no 110% Jooish and didn’t stop to hear the rest of what he was saying about things like affordable family formation and housing costs. In our hyper-partisan atmosphere, instead of looking for points of mutual agreement, people are just itching for a fight.

        Are people here REALLY against having more Americans or just against more non-white, immigrant Americans? What if the white birthrate was very high and we were headed toward 1 billion people that way and Yglesias wrote that we have to stop white women from having more babies, would people here be down with that or would they be arguing that their grandma had 7 kids and there’s nothing wrong with white people having as many babies as they please and America has lots of empty spaces to house them and how dare that Jew tell us to have fewer people?

        • Agree: Alexander Turok
        • Replies: @J.Ross
        , @notsaying
      412. BB753 says:
        @Jack D

        Maybe you didn’t read my comments or links above. Breen and other pedos were using fairs (and sci-fi conventions) to lure their victims. So were serial killers like Lake, as well selling his snuff films to hard-core BSDM clubs who also roamed Renaissance fairs, and you also had weird occultic clubs centered around Dungeons and Dragons extreme fans (who might have killed one member or two) and other fantasy pagan cults, like Bradley’s, looking to recruit members.

      413. BB753 says:
        @Jack D

        Huh? Bootleg snuff films and drugs are illegal in my book.
        The late 70s and early 80s were crazier in many ways than the late sixties. Check out the New Process Church, which was behind the Son of Sam cult which drove Berkovitz and others to commit many crimes, and were prominent in drug dealing and human trafficking. Those were also around in those fairs.
        On Breen, Bradley, Renaissance Fairs and Sci-fi cons

        On the New Process Church (an offshoot of Scientology. Hubbard was originally also one of those evil sci-fi writers)

      414. @silviosilver

        It seems like the low skilled non-white immigrants like to immigrate to already overcrowded areas i.e. NYC etc. So it depends what your nightmare of overcrowding scenarios are. If it’s not being able to escape crowds I think you’re right. I don’t think mexicans are going to take over rural maine etc. So to some degree the beauty of nature is likely to be safe.

        If you want to live in a city near amenities you may be wrong in many cases.

        • Replies: @anon
      415. Anonymous[352] • Disclaimer says:
        @Sgt. Joe Friday

        Something similar happened in Greece during the Euro crisis. The government simply seized people’s savings in order to pay off its debts.

        • Replies: @Mr. Rational
      416. anon[870] • Disclaimer says:
        @bigdicknick

        I don’t think mexicans are going to take over rural maine

        Agree. The Somalis won’t let them.

        • LOL: BB753
      417. @Anonymous

        Every granary becomes a target for rats.

        This is why we kill rats.

      418. J.Ross says:

        (There’s no recent sex differences thread, and this thread is about educated stupidity in government policy, so:)
        Israel has started an all female tank unit and it’s going to kill many Arabs once the girls can lift the shells out of their storage area.

        • Replies: @Jack D
      419. J.Ross says:
        @Jack D

        >are people really against
        The answer is readily found by going with adjectives different from skin color (or are people here really against violent criminal immigrants? or are people here really against low-IQ immigrants? or are people here really against low impulse control immigrants?).
        Thing is, arguments about space itself have been frequent and substantial on this blog. No regular reader would have forgotten various points regularly brought up about how a major factor in the American standard of living and class mobility was Big Sky Country room. The trampling hives of the blue metropoli are often bemoaned in detail.
        Jack never credits existing, well-known arguments. When you face him you had better be able to reconstruct, with sources, things everybody knew in high school, or were talking about yesterday, and he’ll still fight some of them. And he won’t remember it next time it comes up, so be able to do it again. Of course it is not an opponent’s job to argue his opponent’s case — except that it is, because you must demonstrate that you understand it. I remember a sweet, polite, unassuming female high school debater who would burn up cross-examination time by voicing a desire to make absolutely sure she had understood a point; perhaps it could be paraphrased? That’s a totally legitimate concern until you catch her always doing it.

        • Replies: @Jack D
      420. Jack D says:
        @J.Ross

        So much for the idea that Jews have double standards. Israel has its own crazy “progressives” who sued in court to force the Army to do this. The good news is that the tanks are deployed along the peaceful Egyptian and Jordanian border and these women should be able to serve out their enlistments without ever having to fire a shot in anger.

        • Replies: @J.Ross
      421. Jack D says:
        @J.Ross

        I see a lot of anti-Asian immigrant sentiment here. (City) Asians are the OPPOSITE of the adjectives that you use. They are better than white people on these measures. So it can’t just be about being low-IQ or violent or low impulse control or else people would be saying “we want MORE Asian immigrants”.

        • Replies: @J.Ross
      422. J.Ross says:
        @Jack D

        >the Egyptian and Jordanian border
        Like in that Transformers movie where they go directly from Egypt to Jordan without encountering any states or entities en route?

      423. J.Ross says:
        @Jack D

        >wouldja believe — Asian immigrants?

        or are people here really just against absimmilationist immigrants?
        or are people here really just against ethically challenged immigrants?
        or are people here really just against jihadi immigrants?
        or are people here really just against fifth columnist immigrants?
        or are people here really just against constitution-hating immigrants?
        or are people here really just against leftist immigrants?

        Every “white supremacist” I know is totally cool with more Asians who would be like Twinkie, Andy Ngo, Jonny Kim, or Michelle Malkin, and objects to more Asians who would be like Leland Yee, the Awan brothers, Fareed Zakaria, or Sundar Pichai (“Longtime” Jeong gets a pass until she puts on weight). Apply any of the italicized items in either comment to a notional white potential inflow and see Unzers championing it because, after all, Chechens are the right color. It doesn’t work.

      424. notsaying says:
        @Jack D

        I can only answer for myself but I don’t want one billion people of any kind here in America, period.

        I do not want half that.

        I want Americans in the future to be able to experience the American Way of Life that middle class people used to take for granted. They will not be able to do that unless we aim to stabilize and then somewhat reduce our population by taking in fewer immigrants.

        The whole future of the world, in my opinion, rests on human beings stabilizing and reducing our numbers here on Earth.

        • Agree: Charon
        • Replies: @black sea
      425. black sea says:
        @notsaying

        If Yglesias had titled his book “One Billion Earthlings,” I might be more favorably disposed.

      426. Nico says:
        @Paleo Liberal

        The science behind global warming is sound.

        Unfortunately not many of the people screaming about it have the slightest clue why that is the case, or why global warming is a more accurate and more general physical description of what is going on than “climate change.”

        In part, this is programmed, at least as far as the United States is concerned. Physics and geography are not mandatory subjects in many American high schools. Even so, the willingness of so many self-styled “intellectuals” to thoughtlessly parrot talking points is exhasperating;

        • Agree: Mr. Rational
      427. Nico says:
        @notsaying

        Considering the publication date, in the lead-up to the presidential debates, let’s hope it leads to some soul-searching on immigration and environmental issues, especially on the right. It may not be too late for Donald Trump to lock in course on one issue and correct course on another, in a way that tips the scales in his (and our country’s) favor.

      428. MEH 0910 says:
        @MEH 0910

        Fredrik deBoer assumes all races share the same bell curves, with identical means, for behavioral genetics, but then gives the example of athletic ability, about which he declares that it would be racist to posit group differences. I assume he doesn’t believe that all races share the same bell curve for the genetics of height, and that it’s just the environment that’s holding the Pygmies down.

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