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      The Turkish army did not invade Syria to attack the Kurds. That’s simply not true. The actual target of the Turkish operation (Peace Spring) was a group of separatist militants (The YPG) who have waged a bloody 30 year-long terrorist war on the Turkish state killing upwards of 40,000 people. With the assistance of US Special Forces, the YPG has seized most of the territory east of the Euphrates River including the area along Turkey’s southern border. Turkey could not allow a hostile militia to occupy towns and cities along its border any more than the United States could allow members of al Qaida to occupy bases along the Mexican border. It’s a matter of national security. The YPG was given the choice to either voluntarily withdraw or be removed by force. The United States would not have acted any differently.

      The media would like people to believe that the Turkish incursion was driven by a pathological hatred of ethnic Kurds, but this isn’t true either. Keep in mind that 18 percent of Turkey’s population, roughly 14 million people, is Kurdish. If Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan wanted to launch a war on Kurds, he didn’t have to go through the trouble of crossing the border to do so. He could have attacked them in his own country and been done with it. But that is not what Erdogan is doing. The Turkish operation is focused on one particular group, the People’s Protection Units or YPG, who rebranded themselves as the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) to conceal the fact that they are the Syrian affiliate of the notorious PKK, the Marxist-Leninist group that is on the US State Department’s list of terrorist organizations. Washington formed an alliance with this sketchy group to achieve its strategic objectives in Syria while avoiding US casualties. The obvious downside of the arrangement is that, in exchange for their assistance, the US has helped to create an autonomous Kurdish statelet at the center of the Arab world that is vehemently opposed by every other country in the region. As you can see, the strategy was poorly-thought out from the beginning which is why it nearly exploded into a full-blown crisis.

      Fortunately, President Trump was smart enough to respect Turkey’s legitimate security concerns and withdraw US troops from the conflict zone 20 miles deep into Syria. In doing so, Trump avoided a tragic and unnecessary conflagration with its 67-year NATO ally, Turkey. Not surprisingly, the US Congress, the foreign policy establishment and virtually the entire media lined up against Trump’s withdrawal proposal preferring instead to engage in a potentially catastrophic confrontation with Turkey rather than make reasonable and entirely painless concessions to a vital strategic partner in the region. Is it any wonder why US foreign policy is such a hopeless shambles?

      In any event, the media has convinced the American people that Trump should not withdraw the troops. Instead, the US should remain in Syria in order to plunder Syria’s oil, defend its terrorist friends, and make a general nuisance out of itself for the foreseeable future. This is madness. The position of the United States is not only morally abhorrent it is also strategically absurd. Turkey is not only an ally, it is also a critical landbridge between Europe and Asia, an indispensable part of Washington’s “pivot” strategy. Turkey has emerged as the southern corridor’s primary ‘energy hub’, the vital crossroads for Middle East and Asian gas pipelines headed for the European market. Imagine if Turkey chose to abandon the dollar in future energy transactions delivering a blow to the dollar’s status as the world’s reserve currency. Such a move would unavoidably put pressure on the sale of US Treasuries which rely on the recycling of dollars into US debt markets. Is Washington willing to forgo its “exorbitant privilege” to defend its fledgling proxy army in Syria? The idea is ridiculous.

      Even so, there is no denying that the American people have been effectively bamboozled by the media’s relentless disinformation campaign. According to a University of Michigan critical issues poll, a mere 21 percent of Americans support Trump’s plan to withdraw troops from northern Syria. In contrast, more than twice as many respondents (46%) oppose withdrawing US troops. (33% either ‘don’t know’ or are ‘indifferent’) What are we to make of these results given the fact that a clear majority of Americans are sick and tired of the country’s endless wars and foreign interventions?

      It’s not hard to explain. Propaganda works, that’s all one needs to know. The media was given the task of garnering support for an unpopular and counterproductive military occupation, and they succeeded. The majority of people now believe that withdrawing US troops is “betraying the Kurds” which is a tacit admission of cowardice and disloyalty. Therefore, we must keep troops in Syria. End of story.

      But what if we can show that Turkey is not attacking the Kurds, and that the US should not be supporting groups that are on its own list of terrorist organizations, and that, most importantly, the US deployment in Syria, however small, is still the main obstacle to peace in the country? Would that change any minds?

      We have already mentioned that there are roughly 14 million Kurds living in Turkey all of who enjoy the same rights and benefits as other Turkish citizens. And while its true that the Kurds have suffered persecution in the past, it is also true that ” there are more than 100 Kurdish politicians serving in the Turkish Parliament, more than 10,000 Kurdish soldiers serving in the Turkish Army, more than 4 million marriages between Turks and Kurds, and the Director of Turkey’s National Intelligence Agency is Kurdish.”

      Erdogan’s AK Party also passed reforms that provide Kurds with “the right to education in Kurdish in private schools, the right to choose Kurdish as a selective course in public schools, the right to use Kurdish names in official documents, the right to have election campaign materials in Kurdish, (and) the establishment of a public television channel …which broadcasts only in Kurdish 24/7,.” (The Daily Sabah)

      Does this sound like a government that hates the Kurds enough to wage war on them?

      Of course not. And then there’s the checkered history of the YPG which has its own bloody baggage to deal with. Take a look at this excerpt from an article in The Nation that sheds a bit of light on the activities of this shadowy group:

      “The Kurdish militia that supplies the ground troops in the US air war against the Islamic State has been a systematic violator of human rights in the area it controls in northern Syria, causing the displacement of tens of thousands of Arabs and even more massive flight by Kurds from the region….

      As the collaboration with the United States increased in 2015, the YPG stepped up its expulsion of Arabs from the northern border area. This peaked in mid-2015 with the displacement or denial of return of at least 60,000 Arabs after the YPG captured Tal Abyad on the Turkish border, according to Sa’ad Shwish, exiled head of the local governing council in Raqqa.

      The pace of the expulsions picked up dramatically after the United States began joint operations against the Islamic State in Syria in mid-2015, as the Kurdish militia threatened Arabs with air strikes if they didn’t leave their villages. While they slowed in 2016, expulsions continue even as the militia turns on its political rivals and jails, tortures, or expels them….

      At least 200,000 Syrian Kurds have fled to Turkey rather than submit to forced conscription and political repression….At least 300,000 Syrian Kurds have also fled the region to neighboring Iraqi Kurdistan, according to officials there, and no fewer than 200,000 have fled to Turkey rather than submit to forced conscription and political suppression by a group that insists on ruling as a one-party state, according to Kurdish human-rights monitors in Turkey. …

      One high-level official in the Obama administration called the region under YPG control a “mini-totalitarian state.” (“Have the Syrian Kurds Committed War Crimes?”, Roy Gutman, The Nation)

      Should the United States be joined-at-the-hip with an organization that is involved in mass killing, human rights violations and ethnic cleansing? And would we be “betraying the Kurds” if we severed relations with the YPG, withdrew our troops from Syria, and let the Turks and Syrians sort this mess out for themselves??

      On a personal level, I am sympathetic to the idea of a Kurdish state. The Kurds, after all, are the largest ethnic minority in the world without their own state. What I am not sympathetic to is the US using militant proxies who the State Department has identified as terrorists to carve up and occupy another country in the Middle East. That is a policy that wreaks of hypocrisy.

      None of this is meant to infer that Turkey’s role in Syria has been helpful or productive. Quite the contrary, Turkey has supported many of the disparate jihadist militias that have prolonged the war, sent millions of civilians fleeing for cover, and reduced vast swathes of the country to rubble. Without question, Turkey shares a very large part of the blame for Syria’s current (desperate) predicament. At present, Turkey occupies a large part of Northern Syria both east and west of the Euphrates. The government has recently begun an ambitious resettlement program which has already returned more than half a million Syrian refugees to locations in Syria that are now under Turkish rule. And although Erdogan signed a memorandum with Putin that promises to respect the territorial integrity of Syria’s prewar borders, it’s clear that Turkey will not abide by that agreement. Instead, Erdogan will continue to resettle areas in Syria that he now controls, he will install local leaders that are loyal to Ankara, and he will eventually redraw Turkey’s borders so they include large tracts of what used to be northern Syria. But while Turkey’s army will not give up the ground they have already captured,
      Erdogan has shown that he will make concessions if the price for achieving his ambitions is too high. The same cannot be said for Washington’s foreign policy establishment that wants to continue the occupation whatever the cost. Accordingly, the US has adopted an operational strategy of “forward deterrence” which means the focus has shifted from removing Assad, which is no longer possible, to preventing Russia and Iran from restoring Syria’s sovereign borders and security. Washington’s current role in Syria is that of “a spoiler.”

      And this is what needs to change because the war in Syria cannot end until the American troops leave. When the US finally withdraws, the Syrian army, with the help of the Russian airforce, will swiftly retake east Syria stopping the Turkish advance in its tracks. The Kurds will then be forced to make a deal with Damascus that includes a mutually acceptable agreement for home rule within the confines of the Syrian state. The Russians may challenge Turkey’s land-grab in northern Syria, but Putin will not start another war to enforce his demands. That means Syria’s borders will be redrawn, even while the prospects for peace steadily improve. The Assad government will reassert control over most of its territory, 10 million refugees will return to their homes, and the reconstruction of the battered country will finally begin.

      The one insurmountable obstacle to peace in Syria is the US occupation. Trump can create the conditions for ending the war, but only if he is courageous enough to confront his adversaries in the media, the Congress and the foreign policy establishment. That’s the only way forward.

      Note–Here is a link to the censored 5 minute video that Erdogan showed to Trump on his IPAD in his recent visit to the White House. The video was blasted as “propaganda” by the media because it provides a chilling summary of the bloody terrorist attacks conducted by the YPG. The video also conflicts with the media’s narrative that Turkey has launched a war on the Kurds, which isn’t true.

       
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      1. ‘The One Insurmountable Obstacle to Peace in Syria’

        The one insurmountable obstacle to peace in Syria is Israel.

        She doesn’t want there to be peace in Syria, and she has charged us with making sure it doesn’t happen.

        See Hillary Clinton’s emails.

      2. ‘ As you can see, the strategy was poorly-thought out from the beginning which is why it nearly exploded into a full-blown crisis.’

        This sentence merely reveals that the writer misunderstands the motive of the strategy. It’s purpose was to ‘create a crisis’ in the first place — or more precisely, to reduce Syria to anarchy and to encourage continuing instability in Turkey, Iraq, and Iran — particularly in Iraq and Iran.

        So understanding that, let’s rewrite the sentence.

        ‘As you can see, the strategy was poorly well-thought out from the beginning which is why it nearly exploded into a full-blown crisis…’

        When people do things which appear to be foolish, it’s often because you mistake their intentions. People are usually reasonably bright.

        • Agree: mark green, HEREDOT
        • Replies: @Herald
        , @Alfred
        , @Sean
        , @David
      3. Anonymous[414] • Disclaimer says:

        So nice to have Mike Whitney back!

        • Replies: @jo6pac
        , @Jochen Scholz
      4. Trump has proven to be a brilliant diplomat, in spite of the enormous opposition against him. Thankful, said opposition tends to underestimate him.

        • Replies: @Herald
        , @follyofwar
      5. A123 says:

        What may be insurmountable is Erdogan’s ego. His latest claims to Ottoman supremacy in the Mediterranean are breathtaking. (1)

        “After signing deals with its own puppet state in occupied northern Cyprus and with the pseudo-government in Libya’s Tripoli, Turkey declares that it owns half of the eastern Mediterranean,” Aron Lund, an analyst at The Century Foundation, observes of the newly published map.


        ____

        The U.S. has less than ~1,000 troops primarily in Southeast Syria, away from 99% of the fighting. Trump has tried to withdraw twice and is tied up in knots by deep state resistance at home. Any verifiable deal that removes Turkey, Iran, and their proxies would give Trump the leverage to fully extract U.S. troops.

        PEACE 😇
        _______

        (1) https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-map-reveals-turkey-claim-half-east-mediterranean-waters

        • Replies: @AnonStarter
      6. Herald says:
        @Colin Wright

        When people do things which appear to be foolish, it’s often because you mistake their intentions. People are usually reasonably bright.

        True as a rule, with the glaring exception being the US, which routinely manages to always do the wrong thing, whilst hardly ever managing to be clever.

        • Replies: @Colin Wright
      7. @Herald

        ‘True as a rule, with the glaring exception being the US, which routinely manages to always do the wrong thing, whilst hardly ever managing to be clever.’

        There you go. Israel wanted us to fragment Iraq, we fragmented Iraq. Israel wanted us to promote a prolonged civil war in Syria, we promoted a prolonged civil war in Syria.

        We’ve done exactly what we were told to do. I don’t see how your criticism has any merit at all.

        • Replies: @Herald
      8. Herald says:
        @Colin Wright

        Not really a criticism, rather more of an obvious observation, but do let me know where you think I have got things wrong.

        By the way I don’t dispute at all, that the US is now little more than a Jewish cypher, but this sad reality in no way lets it off the hook of its own stupidity, no not for one moment does it.

        • Replies: @Digital Samizdat
      9. ‘… By the way I don’t dispute at all, that the US is now little more than a Jewish cypher, but this sad reality in no way lets it off the hook of its own stupidity…’

        My point is that it’s not stupidity. It may be dishonesty — but it’s not stupidity.

        The house my wife and I just bought had rat traps all over the place — but no rats. That wasn’t stupidity — it was the wife who didn’t want to sell trying to sabotage the sale.

        All you need to do is understand what people are actually trying to accomplish. Then their behavior becomes perfectly logical — and usually reasonably intelligent.

        • Agree: Alfred
        • Replies: @RadicalCenter
        , @Herald
      10. @Herald

        By the way I don’t dispute at all, that the US is now little more than a Jewish cypher, but this sad reality in no way lets it off the hook of its own stupidity, no not for one moment does it.

        Once again, you’ve missed the point. Washington’s “own” stupidity is really Israel’s cleverness in action. How can the Israelis possible lose when they’re gambling with other people’s money and soldiers?

        • Replies: @Realist
      11. @A123

        Trump has tried to withdraw twice and is tied up in knots by deep state Israeli resistance at home.

        Fixed.

        • Replies: @A123
      12. Antares says:

        Quotes from the article:

        Is Washington Tel Aviv willing to forgo its “exorbitant privilege” to defend its fledgling proxy army in Syria? The idea is ridiculous.

        The part with “ridiculous” is no longer necessary.

        The Assad government will reassert control over most of its territory

        That is unacceptable. In the next war they will lose another part of their territory. This is the road to nothing, as any strategist will confirm. One can only hope that Putin made firm agreements with Erdogan.

      13. Tom Welsh says:

        It seems perfectly possible that Mr Erdogan (and his inner circle) do hate Kurds and want to harm them, but are reluctant to do so inside Turkey as it would be far too disruptive. Akin to setting fire to your own house while you are in it.

        But Kurds who are outside the Turkish border are a different matter. They can easily be cast as terrorists and attacked as such.

        Rather as the British government fought the IRA, while striving to remain on good terms with the Irish people as a whole. (Rather a futile plan).

        Authoritarian governments, especially those that exploit the power of a personality cult – in this case Mr Erdogan – are somewhat unstable, and desperately need to find enemies to blame for everything that goes wrong. As a member of NATO, Turkey cannot really cast Israel in this light. It would be unwise to choose Russia, too – although they did try that a few years ago. (It didn’t turn out well).

        So the Turkish government has slavishly imitated Washington, in conjuring up a terrorist movement, arming it, supplying, protecting it – and pretending to fight it.

        • Replies: @Sean
      14. Alfred says:
        @Colin Wright

        When people do things which appear to be foolish, it’s often because you mistake their intentions

        Entirely correct. The current “mess” in Syria, Ukraine, Hong Kong, Libya, Iraq etc. is a well-thought out plan with precisely that as its objective. Israel is behind all the above except for Hong Kong.

        • Replies: @Daniel Rich
      15. Emmet says:

        What utter sh.. The one insurmountable obstacle to peace in Syria is the Jewish lobby in America. That is basically common knowledge to everyone not brainwashed by the Jewish mainstream media.

        • Agree: Colin Wright
      16. gotmituns says:

        Just get all our troops out of every other country in the world and let people do what they want. Stop trying to tell other peoples how to live their lives. If these lousy Multi National Corporations want to hire their own private armies, then so be its. The only force outside our borders I would recommend keeping is our submarine missile force constantly on patrol under the surface of the sea.

        • Replies: @Rev. Spooner
      17. Sean says:
        @Colin Wright

        Well don’t threaten Saudi Arabia because the US will prefer to invade your country rather than keep the US army in Saudi Arabia to protect them.

        • Replies: @Colin Wright
      18. Sean says:
        @Tom Welsh

        In fact Obama decided not to bomb Assad. And the Russian expeditionary force only came in after that decision.

        • Replies: @Tom Welsh
      19. Realist says:
        @Colin Wright

        The one insurmountable obstacle to peace in Syria is Israel.

        No, it is the US…Israel is nothing without the US.

        • Replies: @Colin Wright
      20. Realist says:
        @Digital Samizdat

        Once again, you’ve missed the point. Washington’s “own” stupidity is really Israel’s cleverness in action.

        It is you that missed the point…the words stupidity and cleverness are used to describe degrees of intelligence.

        What you are saying is Washington appears stupid because Israel is more intelligent.
        Conclusion: Herald is correct.

        • Replies: @Herald
      21. A123 says:
        @AnonStarter

        NonStarter,

        Why do you support Erdogan’s capture of Syrian territory?

        PEACE 😇

        • Replies: @AnonStarter
      22. The obstacle to peace in Syria is the ZUS and Israel and ZBritain and Nato and Turkey and their creation of AL CIADA aka ISIS and their invasion of Syria to regime change for the benefit of Israel and the zionists pushing the greater Israel agenda in the mideast!

      23. David says:
        @Colin Wright

        I like to reverse the common saying that doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is the definition of insanity to thinking someone is doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result is the definition of insanity.

        • Agree: Tom Welsh
        • Replies: @Colin Wright
      24. Turks, Kurds and Arabs all racially different but almost all Muslims… what is it about Islam which breeds vicious intolerance even among its adherents?

        • Replies: @anon
        , @A123
      25. Tom Welsh says:
        @Sean

        Sean, I don’t see what Obama’s decision not to bomb Assad has to do with my comment. True, the cartoon I added mentions bombing – but bombing of terrorists by Russia. (Which, in any case, Obama forbids Putin to do).

        However, it certainly was Obama who gave the orders to create ISIS and deploy it to destroy the Syrian state. Bombing would have been a great deal more honest (and probably less harmful).

        • Replies: @Daniel Rich
      26. anon[837] • Disclaimer says:
        @Really No Shit

        I think its an exaggeration to say they are are racially different. They are all generally West Asian-Mediterranean. I highly doubt any non-Middle Easterner could tell them apart, although Turks have some Central Asian Mongoloid influence due to their conquest by them.

      27. “The one insurmountable obstacle to peace in Syria is the US occupation.’

        Well, yes, but the very reason US troops are in Syria is to prevent Syria from achieving peace and normality.

        And why is that? Because Israel does not want Syria to return to peace and normality, especially under its existing government, a government the majority of Syrians support and a government that has always protected minority religious rights in the diverse country, but a government Israel has always hated.

        The entire American effort in Syria has been an effort to repeat what was done in Iraq for Israel, but without a big invasion by America’s military, an event which had some unpleasant side-effects. The new effort used proxies and was supported by several covert “helpers” – Saudi Arabia, Israel, Britain, France, and originally Turkey.

        The Neocon Wars, including direct warfare and proxy efforts, have been an effort to pave over societies within hundreds of miles of Israel, a giant urban renewal effort, if you will, at the cost of a good two million lives and the creation of tens of millions of desperate refugees. “The birth of a new Middle East” as Condoleezza Rice put it.

        Israel had motives for gain in the Syrian proxy war, too. To cement its ownership of occupied Golan and seek yet another slice of territory as a “buffer.” Israel lost when the main part of the proxy war was lost to Syria and Russia, its ally.

        But it secretly pushed a plan for some form of Kurdish rump state to be created in the northeast, an oil-producing region, to weaken largely victorious Syria ad make reconstruction harder without oil revenues. That is what the US has been supporting.

        That was never really a viable idea, given the realities of Turkey and its view of armed Kurdish groups near its borders.

        Trump decided to withdraw after talking with Erdogan, thinking he had done enough for Israel that he wouldn’t hear from them on this, but he was wrong. When Trump said he was withdrawing troops, he heard about it, and quickly, especially from Israel’s loudest lobbyists in Congress like Lindsey Graham, although they are careful to phrase things so it doesn’t sound like special pleading for Israel.

        ISIS today serves mainly as an excuse for the US to remain in certain locations (illegally, of course) under the positive-sounding words of “fighting terror.”

        ISIS also has served as an excuse to bomb Syria at certain times and places. The US and Britain have served almost as an air force at times for ISIS by destroying Syrian infrastructure and at times directly attacking Syrian forces.

        So, ISIS is and always has been an American policy tool, not a genuine enemy.

        Note that ISIS has never attacked the targets you would just naturally expect a jihadi terror group to attack – the fat corrupt Saudi Princes and Israel. Never once.

        But ISIS has always attacked what Israel (and thereby, the US) dislikes – Syria and at some point, elements in Iraq.

        After the murder of Gadhafi and the turning once well-run Libya into a set of ruins, Hillary Clinton’s State Department started a program of picking up weapons on the ground and picking up cutthroats and sending them covertly to Syria via Turkey.

        That’s what the Benghazi mess was part of. Things went wrong and some of the thugs they were dealing with found the best available target to be the American Ambassador.

        At any rate, we even know at one point she was shipping a wee bit of the dead Gadhafi’s Sarin gas stocks to Syria via Turkey, in an effort to create the violation of Obama’s declared “red line” in Syria and begin bombing the crap out of Syria the way they did Libya.

        Putin’s remarkable statesmanship saved the day, of course giving Clinton one more reason later to use Russia as her source of all evils.

        • Agree: Desert Fox, follyofwar
        • Replies: @Che Guava
      28. @gotmituns

        Why will a parasite leave a perfectly healthy and powerful host that it controls???? You get to formulate an independent ‘foreign policy’ only when you are independent.

      29. @Realist

        ‘No, it is the US…Israel is nothing without the US.’

        That’s a bit like saying I am nothing without my Sawzall, and therefore, all this damage was the Sawzall’s fault.

        It’s Israel that decided we should invade Iraq and dismantle the state. It’s Israel that led us to support insurgencies and Kurdish nationalists in Syria. It’s Israel that’s trying to arrange a war between us and Iran.

        None of these operations would have taken place or would take place absent Israel.

        We are the tool; she is the master.

        • Agree: Durruti
        • Replies: @Desert Fox
        , @Realist
      30. @Sean

        ‘Well don’t threaten Saudi Arabia because the US will prefer to invade your country rather than keep the US army in Saudi Arabia to protect them.’

        That’s right. This is all a product of evil Iranian aggression.

        The fact is that Iran rather effectively stood up to the bully. It seems to have dampened everyone’s ardor for invading Iran; particularly Saudi Arabia’s.

        ‘This is what will happen. Still want to dance?’

        • Replies: @A123
        , @Sean
      31. A123 says:
        @Really No Shit

        Turks, Kurds and Arabs all racially different but almost all Muslims… what is it about Islam which breeds vicious intolerance even among its adherents?

        The key difference comes from the text and associated doctrine.

        The primary pillar of the Quran is Jihad. In accurate translation this condones the practice “Thou shalt kill the Infidel” (1). For example:

        Quran 17:64;
        “Seduce them with your voice and assault them with your cavalry and your infantry, be a partner in their wealth and their children and give them promises

        Do not let the liars here confuse you with intentionally inaccurate translations.

        As you can see from the accurate translation of the Quran 17/64. Muslims are instructed on lying to and then killing Infidels as part of their covenant with Allah.

        PEACE 😇
        _______

        (1) http://www.freedompost.org/islam/deception/common-taqiyya-or-islamic-lies-and-deceptions-by-muslims.html

        • Troll: Druid
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        , @FB
        , @Druid
      32. @Colin Wright

        Israel and the zionists in the ZUS government proved their control of America by their attack on the WTC on 911 and the fact that they got away with it, proves their ability to do anything they want to America and the American people!

        • Replies: @Colin Wright
      33. Agent76 says:

        Oct 27, 2019 Blockade busting: China provides rice for Syrian families

        The Peoples Republic of China recently donated 1152 tones of rice to Syria, plus some customs equipment, through the port of Latakia. This breaks the economic blockade imposed by the USA and some other western countries, and will be provided to needy families.

        Oct 26, 2019 Jimmy Dore on the US War against Syria

        The US and Saudis fund terrorism to destroy and control Syria. No truth from the billionaire controlled corporate media.

        • Agree: Desert Fox
        • Replies: @A123
      34. Just an additional note, the names of the countries destroyed in the Neocon Wars were long ago on a list of seven countries that were to be toppled in the future. The list was seen by General Wesley Clark at the Pentagon not long after 9/11. It was part of a project under leading Neocon Paul Wolfowitz. Syria was on the list, as was Iran.

      35. @David

        ‘I like to reverse the common saying that doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result…’

        What’s wrong with the results?

        Iraq has been fragmented into at least two states — three, if you count what will probably be the permanently restive lands of the Sunni Arabs.

        Syria’s still at war; and I doubt if her sense of national unity has exactly been strengthened by the events of the last decade.

        I imagine we can make life a lot worse for the inhabitants of Iran as well.

        As I keep trying to explain, you merely fail to recognize Master’s purpose.

        • Replies: @Commentator Mike
        , @David
      36. A123 says:
        @Agent76

        The Peoples Republic of China recently donated 1152 tones of rice to Syria … This breaks the economic blockade imposed by the USA and some other western countries

        No “blockade busting” needed. China 100% obeyed the rules.

        — Transport of food to Syria is not restricted.
        — The rice was a donation (free), so no funds transfer issues were involved.

        PEACE 😇

      37. Realist says:
        @Colin Wright

        That’s a bit like saying I am nothing without my Sawzall, and therefore, all this damage was the Sawzall’s fault.

        Again, another piss poor analogy.

        It’s Israel that decided we should invade Iraq and dismantle the state. It’s Israel that led us to support insurgencies and Kurdish nationalists in Syria. It’s Israel that’s trying to arrange a war between us and Iran.

        And it’s the dumbass Americans that facilitate it. Like I said Israel is nothing without the US.

        We are the tool; she is the master.

        Only because the US allows it.

        Your logic really sucks.

        • Replies: @Oscar Peterson
      38. A123 says:
        @Colin Wright

        The fact is that Iran rather effectively stood up to the bully. It seems to have dampened everyone’s ardor for invading Iran; particularly Saudi Arabia’s.

        ‘This is what will happen. Still want to dance?’

        No one wants to invade Iran, with possible exception of Hillary Clinton & the NeoConDemocrats who lost. Anyone invading the failing state if Iran would be stuck with”Iraq v2.0″ style reconstruction. Ultimately, the Iranian people will free themselves from theocracy and tyranny. The Ayatollah is now less popular than the Shah, which is promising for a near term solution.

        The international goal is to stop Iran from destabilizing the region. Iran’s economy continues to collapse and funding to terrorist groups like al’Hezbollah and al’Hamas is being cut.

        Peace is winning. Iranian violence is losing.

        PEACE 😇

        • Replies: @anon
      39. @Alfred Barnes

        I’d rather put it that Trump was never given the opportunity to pursue his campaign objectives. One cannot propose friendship with Russia and be allowed to carry through with it. The whole Deep State NEEDS to have Russia as its existential enemy. As Schiff’s ‘Star Chamber’ has demonstrated, Trump’s underlings in the State Dept. defied or ignored his orders, and have surreptitiously undermined his agenda. Then the disgusting corporate Media, the propaganda arm of the deep state, brands them as heroes and great patriots.

        I remember when new presidents were given an initial 100 day honeymoon from Congress before coming at him hammer and tong. Trump did not get even one day. Against the unlimited power of the deep state, a despised term-limited president’s hands are tied. Now he is being impeached over nothing. TruNews was correct when they called it a “Jew Coup.” As far as I’m concerned, the country can’t sink fast enough.

        Outside of failing to mention Israel’s dominant role, Mr. Whitney’s fine article was spot on, and a great piece of writing and reasoning.

        • Replies: @follyofwar
      40. @Desert Fox

        ‘Israel and the zionists in the ZUS government proved their control of America by their attack on the WTC on 911 and the fact that they got away with it, proves their ability to do anything they want to America and the American people!’

        It’s my belief that 9/11 was more or less as advertised; it was an attack carried out by a fundamentalist Wahhabi terrorist organization.

        Where I veer away from the official story is in emphasizing Israeli foreknowledge and possibly even complicity; and in her not warning us. She watched the attack unfold, watched its culmination, and was happy to see it happen. This isn’t paranoid conspiracy theorizing; it’s established fact.

        • LOL: FB
      41. Che Guava says:
        @John Chuckman

        As always, Mike Whitney makes many good points, other commentors, too.

        One should never forget that Israelis were rescuing IS and similar group’s casualties, sending them back (one would suspect, on past record, that they were ‘harvesting’ organs from those who had fatal injuries and some with debilating injuries).

        Truly sick in the head behaviour.

      42. @follyofwar

        I didn’t mean to imply that Israel had any role in attempting to overthrow Trump. I was referring only to its role in destabilizing Syria. Indeed, satanic Netanyahu and Trump are best buds. It is the atheistic left-wing socialist Jews demanding Trump’s impeachment. The minority conservative Jews in the US support him. Talk radio’s Michael Savage (born Weiner) is his greatest advocate. We are seeing a civil war between the two factions.

        • Replies: @gsjackson
      43. Willem says:

        “The majority of people now believe that withdrawing US troops is “betraying the Kurds”

        I think the majority of people have not a clue and don’t care either. That’s what happens if you are overburdened with work, stress, debt or (when older) encounter disease. Or as Monty Python put it (I paraphrase): ‘I used to think a lot about the meaning of life, and then I got reumatism’

        I personally think that there is a lot of oil in the region. And someone desperately wants to have it. Hence, war. All the cultural talk and Trump, being the good guy, is just non-sense. It’s money, money, money. And power, battled by the very few over the heads of the many.

        • Replies: @follyofwar
      44. @Realist

        But the US wouldn’t be facilitating any of this without the motive force of disloyal domestic Jewry, that cancerous growth within the US body politic.

        I see your point, but if one defines Israel broadly as international Jewry, then it makes sense. “Israel” has often been used as a collective that comprehends the totality of Jewry.

        You say that the US is the tool and Israel the master, but that would not be true absent the Jewish tumor and the political sickness it causes in the America. It is through Jewish power inside the US that Europe can be forced to grovel before the Jews and that the US can be made to protect sweet Israel from UNSC vetoes, etc.

        Ultimately, we are talking about the baleful role of “the tribe” both in the Judenreich and the US.

        • Replies: @Realist
      45. Rurik says:

        any more than the United States could allow members of al Qaida to occupy bases along the Mexican border.

        Since I guess you haven’t been paying attention, the ZUS is a rogue criminal government, that uses terror and false flags to slaughter their own citizens, by the thousands, if doing so bolsters Israel some how. If we’re to believe what they media says, then al Qaida has no need of bases along the border, because their operatives can waltz in and take flying lessons in Florida, while schmoozing with the 200 Israeli “art students’.

        The United States doesn’t give a fuck about terrorists on its border. It welcomes terrorists and murderers and every other form of human detritus it can encourage to immigrate with open arms. The more rapists and thieves and terrorists, the better, because it gives the scumbags in government more excuses to ramp up the police state, to ‘keep us all safe’.

        The worst terrorist on the world’s stage today, is none other than the ZUS of A. It is because of the ZUS that millions of people’s lives have been ended or destroyed, not to mention tens of thousands of Americans, ground up in the ZUS state-sponsored terrorism the ZUS has been illegally waging all over the planet.

        Imagine if Turkey chose to abandon the dollar in future energy transactions delivering a blow to the dollar’s status as the world’s reserve currency.

        You say that like it’s a bad thing.

        Just reading it gave me a boehner. (Who needs porn when you have Unz!)

        Should the United States be joined-at-the-hip with an organization that is involved in mass killing, human rights violations and ethnic cleansing?

        umm.. what planet have you been on?

        That means Syria’s borders will be redrawn, even while the prospects for peace steadily improve….

        The one insurmountable obstacle to peace in Syria is the US occupation. Trump can create the conditions for ending the war, but only if he is courageous enough to confront his adversaries in the media, the Congress and the foreign policy establishment. That’s the only way forward.

        Amazing that you could have written all of that without once mentioning Israel, or the Golan Heights.

        If the only way forward is to confront the (((media))), and the (((occupied))) congress, and the (((foreign policy establishment))), then what kind of example are you setting by specifically *not* confronting them? Eh?

        Syria is in shambles because the Zionists who control the ZUS media and congress and foreign policy establishment, want it to be. The same Zionists who perpetrated 9/11, and have been behind not just the Eternal Wars of this century, but behind both world wars of the last one.

        I find it increasingly intolerable to read ‘experts’ who lament the effects of these scoundrels, without ever having the stones to mention them directly as the cause.

        If you never deal with, (or even mention) the cause, then dealing with the effects will be your eternal burden.

        • Agree: Druid, bluedog
      46. @Colin Wright

        The official line on the WTC attack is a lie, if you do some research on these sites you will find the truth, rense.com, veteranstoday.com, whatreallyhappened.com, henrymakow.com, stevepieczenik.com, thetruthseeker.co.uk, davidicke.com, zerohedge.com, rumormillnews.com, fourwinds10.com, shtfanplan.com, blacklistednews.com, stevequayle.com, etc..

        • Agree: Republic, Rurik
      47. Good to see another excellent article by Mike Whitney.

        I think the following website is also his where he does a daily post:

        mikewhitneysgraspingatstraws.blogspot.com

        I only wish Mike didn’t make a reference to the odious Roy Gutman, the fabricator of a rape camp in Yugoslavia that didn’t exist and who was never brave enough to admit he made a mistake.

        • Replies: @TKK
      48. Realist says:
        @Oscar Peterson

        It is through Jewish power inside the US that Europe can be forced to grovel before the Jews and that the US can be made to protect sweet Israel from UNSC vetoes, etc.

        You’re sure as hell not getting my point. Who allowed Israel so much power…White people for Christ sake. Instead whining and crying about the situation…do something about it…if you don’t care enough then stop crying.

        • Replies: @Republic
        , @Oscar Peterson
      49. slorter says:

        The United States needs to leave and let Israel do some work they have been there since 1948 and haven’t made a friend yet!

      50. @Anonymous

        Yes, I agree. Have been waiting for Mike Whitney’s articles, instead I got daily cricket news from Auistralia

      51. TKK says:

        Exact quote from Turkish friend after I sent him this article:


        “What? Everybody and their cat knows he (Erdogan) wants to kill ZaZas (Kurds).”

        The absolute lies cloaked as analysis, from someone (Whitney) who has clearly never been to Turkey or broke bread wth Turks of any station are repellent.

        The US used Kurds- fearless, skilled warriors- to beat back ISIS. And now we abandon then to the ruthless, dour, sociopath Erdogan so he can establish his medieval Caliphate? The average Turk fears Erdogan, sympathizes with Kurds and cares about the economy and their children.

        With friends like the US, you need no enemies.

        • Replies: @Lo
      52. @Colin Wright

        Colin,

        Iraq has been fragmented into at least two states — three, if you count what will probably be the permanently restive lands of the Sunni Arabs.

        If they could only be like the Swiss, the Kurds, Shiites, and Sunnis, could be 3 cantons in one Iraq and stop the strife. But even if they could, considering where they are with all that outside pressure …

      53. TKK says:
        @AriusArmenian

        Excellent?

        Wow. Just wow. It’s a fiction. It’s illegal to speak Kurdish in Turkish schools. Just start from there and extrapolate out to state sanctioned murder.

        As someone who has lived in Turkey and follows it scrupulously, this article is lunacy.

        Unz has one standard for work here: Bash Israel, blame Jews for every international conflict and heap praise on Islamic medievalists or modern day monsters like Kim Fat Ass Freak Show in NK.

        Do you guys want to cry and pull your hair to meet him, too? Maybe kiss Erdogan’s copy of the Koran?

        I would trade my car to see some of you soy boy/ keyboard tough guys experience what happens when you post bold opinions on social media in Erdogan’s Turkey. However- NK does not even have social media.

        You would beg for the IDF to rescue you.

        • Replies: @AnonStarter
      54. David says:
        @Colin Wright

        I’m agreeing with you, not failing. They do the same thing — sow chaos — and get the same result — chaos — that they intended. It’s easier to take your neighbor’s land and stuff when he’s incapacitated.

        I guess my way of putting it wasn’t so good.

      55. People like Mike Whitney are bane on the left. In their very selfish pseudo-anti-imperlaist rage, they can bend backwards to give oppresive racist nations such as Turkey a free pass. How can any self-respecting leftist be against self-determination any people. It is truly disgusting how immoral these fake-leftists are. And I am sure that this is one of the key reason why left can never gain traction in the world – the inability to stand up for oppressed nations if the oppressors are in anti-imperlaist bandwagon.

        • Replies: @Commentator Mike
      56. @Willem

        Well, Trump has grabbed Syria’s oil, stole its most valuable resource, which it desperately needs to rebuild its infrastructure. An Imperialist war crime if ever there was one. If Trump must be impeached, impeach him for that, not this Russiagate/Ukraine shit show. Of course, president’s cannot be impeached for war crimes, since they ALL do it. It’s the American way.

        • Agree: Rurik
      57. @TKK

        You need to live in Israel to see how they treat the Orthodox Christians and Palestinians but based on your overall comment you probably already are there.

      58. @A123

        It is refreshing to see Whitney put the Israeli-backed Kurdish terrorist group phenomenon into its proper perspective. The usual suspects’ cartoon cut-out caricature of Erdogan just doesn’t fly with those who actually know and understand the Turkish milieu.

        When you’ve got a problem like this on your doorstep, particularly one driven by Israel, you tend to act with extreme prejudice. Criticism of Erdogan’s actions usually fails to consider the realpolitik that motivates them.

        • Replies: @A123
      59. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
        @A123

        TY, exposing your evil lying ….. or do you plead pathetic stupidity?

        That verse is part of a passage where Satan (the “fallen” angel) refuses to prostrate to Adam (the mortal made from clay). Satan bargains with God, saying that with deception and temptation he will test the mortals.

        17:63 – (Allah) said: “Go, and whosoever of them follows you, surely Hell will be the recompense….”

        So the Koran explains that Muslims must be vigilant against such enticement ….. just as we here must recognize your Hasbara.

        • Replies: @AnonStarter
      60. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
        @A123

        “….terrorist groups like al’Hezbollah and al’Hamas…”

        More hasbara bilge from you. Hezbollah and Hamas are not terrorist groups. (That would be the IDF, Obama’s drone squads, et al.)

        • Replies: @Desert Fox
      61. @anon-indic

        How can any self-respecting leftist be against self-determination any people.

        Well there’s the bigger picture of geopolitics to consider. So Russia gave independence to the Baltic states and now they have NATO-OTAN bases there, a hell of a lot closer to St. Petersburg than before the USSR broke up. And the rest of Eastern Europe that was previously in the Warsaw Pact are now more independent of Moscow but only to be in the EU and NATO-OTAN.

        But fancy the biggest terrorist in the world, the US government, putting anybody on a terrorist list. I suppose it could be a list of their proxies, like the KLA and ISIS, that they refer to when they need to destabilise some country or other.

        • Replies: @Rurik
      62. Republic says:
        @Realist

        In the US,Jews are over represented in all places except at Arlington cemetery

        • Agree: Desert Fox
        • Replies: @Realist
      63. RJJCDA says:

        I ask: By what law, domestic or international, do we have the right to be in Syria? I don’t remember a vote by Congress declaring that a state of war exists between Syria and the U.S.. We are occupying a sovereign nation…period.

        As to a Kurdish state, which of the five countries presently with large Kurdish populations is willing to relinquish part of their lands? Not going to happen absent a world-wide conflagration of war.

      64. gsjackson says:
        @follyofwar

        Israel farmed out the job of torpedoing Trump to loyal tribesmen such as Schiff, Nadler, Vindman, Noah Feldman, etc., etc. I don’t think Trump’s sucking up fools them at all. He’s undermining at least some of their plans, he’s got to go, and you can bet that Israel, or wherever the diabolical head of international jewry is, is calling the shots.

      65. @anon

        Hamas is a Mossad front.

        • Replies: @AnonStarter
      66. A123 says:
        @AnonStarter

        It is refreshing to see Whitney put the Israeli-backed Kurdish terrorist group phenomenon into its proper perspective. … Criticism of Erdogan’s actions usually fails to consider the realpolitik that motivates them.

        So, the issue is the Kurdistan Worker’s Party (PKK)? They have never needed or received backing from Israel. The PKK is well known, and their funding is primarily from smuggling activity and possibly Greece. (1)

        • PKK Budget Estimated at $86 Million. …
        • PKK uses heroin production and trafficking to support its acts of terror (1996 INCS). …

        As of March 1999, allegedly, Greece had supplied PKK with 20,000 AK-47’s and 30 Stinger missiles. … Greece was accused of sponsoring the PKK in Greece for training during the 1990s.

        Given their activity, the U.S. has sanctions on the PKK and is certainly not supporting them. Thus, the removal of U.S. Troops from Syria will not impact the Turkey vs. PKK conflict.

        What do you see as a potential negotiated peace (or at least armstice) deal?

        PEACE 😇
        _______

        (1) https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/how-the-pkk-is-funded.350605/

        • Replies: @AnonStarter
      67. @Colin Wright

        Very well reasoned and stated as usual, CW.

      68. Art says:

        Sorry but there is NO “I” word in this article. How can we understand Syria without bring up Israel?

        Right from the start, the Syrian conflict was aided and abetted by Israeli interests.

        We will never fix this, if the invisible elephant of Jew Israeli influence in US politics is not brought front and center.

      69. @anon

        As I’ve said before, “A” is one of the best advertisements for anti-zionism this forum has.

        Utterly clueless, he is.

      70. @A123

        Seems you never bothered to read Whitney’s article:

        The Turkish operation is focused on one particular group, the People’s Protection Units or YPG, who rebranded themselves as the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) to conceal the fact that they are the Syrian affiliate of the notorious PKK, the Marxist-Leninist group that is on the US State Department’s list of terrorist organizations.

        You write

        /They have never needed or received backing from Israel./

        Debunked:

        https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-israel/israel-aiding-syrias-kurds-advocating-for-them-with-us-official-idUSKBN1XG2AP

        Hotovely did not elaborate on the Israeli assistance, other than to say that during “dialogue with the Americans…, we state our truth regarding the Kurds…and we are proud of our taking a stand alongside the Kurdish people”.

        Israel has maintained discreet military, intelligence and business ties with the Kurds since the 1960s, regarding the minority ethnic group — whose indigenous population is split between Iraq, Turkey, Syria and Iran – as a buffer against shared adversaries.

        More evidence that Israel engages in joint operations with the YPG:

        https://www.dailysabah.com/mideast/2019/08/27/saudi-funded-israeli-strikes-launched-from-ypg-held-territory-in-syria-iraqi-intel

        Israel’s recent drone attacks against Iran-backed Shiite militias in Iraq were launched from bases under the control of the PKK terrorist group’s Syrian wing the People’s Protection Units (YPG) with the financial support of Saudi Arabia, the Middle East Eye reported Tuesday, citing an Iraqi intelligence official speaking on the condition of anonymity.

        Your favorite country is neck deep in the region, implementing Oded Yinon’s divide-and-conquer strategy as per usual.

        /What do you see as a potential negotiated peace (or at least armstice) deal?/

        For starters, stay Israel’s hand. The remainder can be worked out.

        • Agree: Max Parry
        • Replies: @Max Parry
      71. @Realist

        “You’re sure as hell not getting my point. Who allowed Israel so much power…White people for Christ sake. Instead whining and crying about the situation…do something about it…if you don’t care enough then stop crying.”

        Oh, I think I get your point perfectly.

        But the Jew is clever and deeply networked and has managed to entrench himself, parasite that he is. You’re not much of a realist if you don’t grasp that. The issue now is simply to convey the reality of the Jew’s depredations and increase the general understanding of them.

        What more are you suggesting should be done at the moment? Simply saying “Somebody do something!” is hardly useful.

        • Replies: @Realist
      72. @TKK

        /As someone who has lived in Turkey and follows it scrupulously, this article is lunacy./

        I’ve also lived there for years, sharing the same living quarters as Turks and Kurds, and you’re full of shit, as usual.

        You’re likely one of those expats whose Turkish experience was highly circumscribed, political opinions spoon-fed to him by embittered leftists.

        What a joke you are.

        • Replies: @Lo
      73. Truth3 says:

        Kurds are closely linked to Khazarian Jews…

        http://www.2001translation.com/Kurds.htm

      74. Max Parry says:
        @AnonStarter

        Not only is their collaboration with Israel well documented, the founder of the PKK, Abdullah Öcalan got their ideological inspiration from Murray Bookchin, an anarchist thinker who was pro-Zionist and frequently repeated hasbara and neocon talking points about Arab states. They aren’t really a “Marxist-Leninist” organization like Whitney states which is a common misconception about them, they advocate anarcho-syndicalism or the oxymoronic ‘libertarian socialism.’ They are also a cult-like group around Öcalan’s personality, with members required to practice abstinence.

        • Replies: @anon
      75. denk says:

        Lots of people say with today’s internet access, the truth is out,
        its much harder for the [[[5liars]]] to hookwink the mass.

        Really ?

        In Oz, people who approve of China dropped from 52%
        to 32% in less than a year.

        Courtesy of the fukus orchestrated saturated bombing by
        B.S.,

        China has a huge 5th columns sleepers in Oz , waiting for
        the command to rise up..

        China is gonna take over Oz one of these days…

        China is committing genocide in Xinjiang….

        China is ‘iterferring’ in HK , bashing up ‘benign protestors’…

        Well done !

        Works like a charm, every single time,.….
        Inspite of their exposed serial lying on iraq, YUgo, LIbya, Syria, TAM, Tibet, Xinjiang….

        • Agree: FB
      76. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
        @Max Parry

        …they [PKK] advocate anarcho-syndicalism or the oxymoronic ‘libertarian socialism.’ They are also a cult-like group around Öcalan’s personality, with members required to practice abstinence.

        Sounds like they have something in common with MEK, the cult aspect at least.

        • Agree: Max Parry
        • Replies: @Max Parry
      77. @Desert Fox

        /Hamas is a Mossad front./

        Israel once helped to establish it with the intent to divide Palestinians among themselves, this is true, but beyond this, Hamas hasn’t received any support from Israel.

        The last time there was a free and fair election held in Palestine, Hamas won by a landslide. That wasn’t Israel’s doing.

        • Agree: Max Parry
        • Replies: @Desert Fox
      78. FB says: • Website
        @A123

        Muslims are instructed on lying to and then killing Infidels as part of their covenant with Allah.

        Well…so is the Old Testament…which is full of such instructions about killing…

        You have to be fully retarded to believe in any of this shit…whether bible or quran or whatever…

        Btw…if you read the entire chapter 17 you come across some interesting verses…for instance this chestnut…

        And do not kill your children for fear of poverty. We provide for them and for you. Indeed, their killing is ever a great sin.

        –Quran 17:31

        Gee you think…LOL

        You have to remember this stuff was written two thousand years ago…life was different then…people did kill ‘excess’ children in times of poverty and hardship [you can always make more]…doesn’t mean these things apply today…

        Still…there is a lot of decency in these old religious writings about how to conduct one’s self righteously…for instance just a few verses later in 17:33…

        And do not approach the property of an orphan, except in the way that is best, until he reaches maturity. And fulfill [every] commitment. Indeed, the commitment is ever [that about which one will be] questioned.

        Today’s morality doesn’t give a shit about orphans…or substitute disadvantaged children for orphans here, like those abused girls in the Epstein case…where right on this very commenting section those poor children, who are surely equivalent to orphans in every meaningful sense of the word, having been all but abandoned by derelict parents…those children have been slandered and attacked mercilessly by unsavory cretins and creeps right here on this website…

        So there is no point in you spitting out little verses of the Quran without any accompanying context…I could do the same thing with the bible all day long and anyone would be horrified at some of these things…

        The point is that you are not adding anything to this discussion, as usual…you are simply fixated on Israel good…Islam bad…

        This is not a way to proceed towards any forward progress…

        As for your idea that Turkey and Iran need to get out of Syria…well you are half right anyway…because Turkey is in Syria just as illegally as the US…Iran is not…it is not the US’s business to tell Syria who it can and cannot invite into its country…especially considering that the country has been aggressively attacked by hordes of headchoppers directly choreographed by the US…

        In any case…I do have a couple of minor quibbles with Mr Whitney’s analysis here because it is too simple…Turkey is not some ‘good guy’ here…Turkey was peeled away by Russian diplomacy, plus the fact that the Russians stepped in and won the proxy war…

        The Gulf states are similarly peeling away…they know how to count to three as well as Turkey…and they are going to accept the new reality, which is that Syria is going to be put back together…in fact it is happening as we speak…

        Yes Turkey did a very good thing by forcing the issue of the Kurds, which forced the US to move its ass out of there…and yes, those same Kurds are proving to be total scumbags…the SDF is cozying up with the US again in its now very much diminished footprint…while Kurdish ‘activists’ are even attacking Russian military police with petrol bombs…

        Whitney is correct about this Mazloum Abdi criminal who heads the SDF…this guy is going to continue carrying water for the US in Syria instead of moving towards reconciliation with the Syrian government…

        I don’t necessarily agree that Turkey is in Syria for the long term…I think they will eventually pack up and go home…the US will be the first to leave because holding on to that reduced footprint is not realistic…it is sign of the insanity of the foreign policy establishment that cannot recognize reality…

        Once the US leaves, which may be sooner than we think, if the Trump re-election calculus thinks it is a plus for him to be seen as keeping a promise [and I think it will]…then the Russians will put increasing pressure on Turkey to get out too…

        If the Turks are stubborn, the SAA may well decide to evict them forcefully…with Russia [and surely China] on board and lending support…Turkey will have to leave…the SAA [with SDF help…although it should be noted that many of those SDF units fighting alongside the Syrians are from the Christian population in the Tel Tamr area] are not shy about confronting Turkey and its headchoppers and are beating them back whenever required…

        The bottom line for me here is the incredible strategic depth of Russian diplomacy…backed up by forceful measures when needed…we can actually see this unfolding as we speak…as the Russians force Turkey’s militants to back off, for instance that key electrical plant near the Turkish occupied city of Ras Al Ayn…report here…

        Watching the Syria drama unfold over the last few years…starting with the liberation of East Aleppo…it is just amazing how powerfully Russia has managed to do what seemed the impossible…there is still a ways to go yet…but clearly the writing is on the wall…

        Kvetching now about US policy in Syria is really quite irrelevant…since the US has made itself irrelevant…

        • Agree: bluedog
        • Replies: @anon
      79. Anon[317] • Disclaimer says:

        Whatever you may think the fact of the matter is that Israel and Turkey. The ashkeNazi Jews-Israel and Turkey are the successor states of the Kingdom of Khazaria. The Jews played a great role in Turkey down through the centuries. The Young Turks were Jews that saved Turkey after the World War I. The Jews reorganized the Turkic nation’s financial system and reorganization of the Turkey into modern nation state. Turkey played a key role in Israel’s establishment and had close diplomatic and lucrative trade relationship with Israel.

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        “O nakhodke sosuda s graffiti v Mariupole” by Eduard Ye. Kravchenko and V. K. Kul’baka was published in Russian (with an English summary) in the journal Arkheologicheskii al’manakh No. 21 (2010) on pages 386-395. This article describes Khazar-era artifacts found in the city of Mariupol in southeastern Ukraine. They include two Arabic dirhams that were used as pendants, mirror fragments, and a pot (shown on the bottom of page 389) that bears two drawn symbols: a Jewish menorah and a plus sign that’s interpreted as a Christian cross. The authors believe the potter was neither a Jew nor a Christian but was a pagan who was familiar with these other religions that were practiced in Khazaria at the time. Was the plus sign really not a tamga? Some other authors disagree with the hypothesis that that plus sign was Christian.
        In his article “Iudaizm, khristianstvo, islam v khazarskom kaganate po arkheologicheskim dannym (kratkiy obzor)” (“Judaism, Christianity, Islam on archaeological data in Khazaria”) in volume 8 (2018) of the journal Prinosi kum bulgarskata arkheologiya on pages 139-145, Valery S. Flyorov agrees that among artifacts currently unearthed it depicts a unique image of a Jewish Khazarian menorah (with 7 candles above a rhombus) “S bol’shoy doley veroyatnosti” (with a high degree of probability) (page 140). Having said that, Flyorov regards it as Jewishly inappropriate to find a menorah in a kitchen and thus believes that the pot was made by a “neophyte” (page 141). He also points out that the pot was found in a grave together with other artifacts, including a mirror, a copper chain, and two dirham coins originating from 8th-century Baghdad, and burials with objects typify paganism rather than standard Judaism (page 140). The rhombus within the menorah is also unusual and “raises questions” (pages 139). Flyorov disagrees with the idea that the pot’s “small clumsily incised oblique cross with equal bars” was inspired by Christianity (page 139).

        Tatiana Tatarinova of the University of La Verne and three of her colleagues wrote the paper “Population history of Russian medieval nomads” that delves into the autosomal DNA of the Khazars, utilizing full genome NGS sequencing of bonafide Khazar bones from medieval burials and interpreting this with reAdmix and GPS tools. Tatarinova presented it on May 30, 2019 at the conference “Centenary of Human Population Genetics” in Moscow. They concluded that the Khazars’ DNA doesn’t match the Ashkenazic Jews’ DNA. They also confirmed that the Khazars had a combination of Caucasoid and Mongoloid origins. Both of these findings match statements in the 3rd edition of The Jews of Khazaria, which was written two years earlier. In Tatarinova’s interview with PCR News’ Aleksey Torgashev, she said she studied the DNA of 9 ruling-class Khazars whose bones were provided for the research by the archaeologist Vladimir Klyutchnikov and his colleague Elena Batieva. They had been buried near the Don river from the 8th-10th centuries, sometimes alongside horses and one with a camel. She indicated that all but one of them show significant Mongoloid ancestry from southern Siberia and Central Asia, and one of those appears to be mixed with Europeans; the other one appears to have Arabian origin.

        A new book by Mikhail Zhirohov and David Nicolle, The Khazars: A Judeo-Turkish Empire on the Steppes, 7th-11th Centuries AD, was published by Osprey in January 2019. It includes photographs of artifacts and illustrations by Christa Hook and focuses on the military aspects of Khazaria including their wars with Arabs and the Rus’, their weapons such as spears, battleaxes, and swords, their helmets and armor, and their fortifications made from stone and timber. I was startled to see the Jewish symbols – including a clearly-defined menorah – on a Khazar warrior’s helmet shown in a photo in this book. If those are authentic instead of a modern forger’s etchings, this would be a very significant find. I had first seen the helmet in June of 2015 when it was brought to my attention that it was sold at auction at the Ukrainian online auction site Violity. The authors say it was “recently discovered”. But I had a suspicion about its authenticity and asked some other Khazar experts; Gennadiy Afanas’yev, Dan Shapira, and Peter Golden agree with my suspicion and believe it is a modern forgery.
        Also available from Amazon.ca in Canada and Waterstones in the UK

        If you are interested in purchasing the Spanish-language hardcover book about the Khazars, Jazaria: el imperio olvidado por la historia by Félix Kitroser, which contains information, artifact illustrations and photographs, translated texts (Cambridge Document and the Hasdai-Joseph correspondence in Spanish), color maps, bibliography, and more, email with the subject “Jazaria”. The price is $16.00 plus shipping. More details are here.
        Medieval Kingdom of Khazaria, 652-969

        Over a thousand years ago, the far east of Europe was ruled by Jewish kings who presided over numerous tribes, including their own tribe: the Turkic Khazars. After their conversion, the Khazar people used Jewish personal names, spoke and wrote in Hebrew, were circumcised, had synagogues and rabbis, studied the Torah and Talmud, and observed Hanukkah, Pesach, and the Sabbath. The Khazars were an advanced civilization with one of the most tolerant societies of the medieval period. It hosted merchants from all over Asia and Europe. On these pages it is hoped that you may learn more about this fascinating culture.

        AN INTRODUCTION TO THE HISTORY OF KHAZARIA
        Essays summarizing the history of the Khazars, their principal cities, their culture, and their conversion to Judaism in the 9th century.
        An Introduction to the History of Khazaria
        Current Issues in Khazar Studies
        Los Khazares: un experimento europeo de construcción de un estado Judío – in Spanish
        Histoire des Khazars: la nation juive de Russie et d’Ukraine – in French
        Znakomstvo s Istoriey Xazarii – in Russian
        Hazar Türkleri tarihine giriş – in Turkish

        Shilovka Archer
        ILLUSTRATIONS AND PHOTOGRAPHS OF KHAZAR ARTIFACTS
        The first gallery includes images of Turkic runes, Turkic tribe symbols, a Khazar metal disc with an engraving of a shamanistic 6-pointed star, Khazar-Saltovo amulets, depictions of an epic motif, Khazarian battle and hunting scenes, Khazar silver belts, a pot with images of a menorah and a cross, and a map of Khazaria. The second link presents the display on 8th-9th century Khazar objects (including arms and armor) from the northwestern Caucasus from the March-September 2003 exhibit “Horse and Rider” at the State Historical Museum in Moscow.
        Khazaria Image Gallery
        Horse and Rider: Khazaria Exhibit

        THE KHAZAR CAPITAL CITY OF ATIL
        Atil was the third capital city of Khazaria until it was conquered in 969. Archaeologists have located the remains of Atil.
        The Khazar Capital City of Atil

        THE KHAZAR FORTRESS OF SARKEL
        Sarkel’s fortress was one of Khazaria’s most important, serving both as a defensive structure and a trading caravan stopover. Includes images of the layout of the fortress, a bronze warrior figurine, pottery, jewelry, bricks, and other objects.
        The Khazar Fortress of Sarkel

        AN EXPLORATION OF KHAZARIAN SHAMANISM
        The original religion of the Khazars was Tengri Shamanism.
        An Exploration of Khazarian Shamanism

        MEDIEVAL QUOTES ABOUT KHAZAR JUDAISM
        Judaism was practiced widely among Khazars, as these authentic quotes from medieval chroniclers demonstrate.
        Medieval Quotes About Khazar Judaism

        DESCENDANTS OF THE KHAZARS IN EUROPE
        What happened to the Khazars after the fall of their kingdom? This remains one of the most controversial questions in Khazar studies. Some new answers emerged from new discoveries. The first essay is outdated now but summarizes evidence and opinions surrounding the issue. The second essay explains how we know that Eastern European Jews descend from non-Khazar Jews. The third page gathers available evidence on genetics and shows that Ashkenazic Jews have substantial roots in the Middle East as well as some ancestry from Italy, Southern China, North Africa, and the Slavic lands. The fourth page queries whether Jews who live in the Caucasus today descend from Khazar converts.
        Are Russian Jews Descended from the Khazars?
        Are Russian Jews Descended from the German and Bohemian Jews?
        Jewish Genetics: Abstracts and Summaries
        Are Mountain Jews Descended from the Khazars?
        Contested Origins of Eastern European Jewry: Clues from History, Linguistics, and Onomastics by Alexander Beider in the Summer 2017 issue of Avotaynu includes discussions of theories of Khazarian and Slavic contributions to Ashkenazic populations.

        KHAZARIAN NAMES
        A list of personal names that the Khazars used in their own country, including Turkic, Hebrew, and Slavic names.
        Khazarian Names

        EXCAVATION REPORTS FROM CHASTIYE KURGANY AND GOLDEN HILLS
        Excavation reports with photographs of Khazarian graves and objects.
        Khazar Burial Mounds at Chastiye Kurgany
        Khazar-Era Fortress of Golden Hills (Zolotiye Gorki)

        BIBLIOGRAPHY OF KHAZAR STUDIES
        The largest database of references of books and articles about Khazarian history, including works in English, French, German, Hebrew, Hungarian, Russian, Swedish, and other languages.
        Bibliography of Khazar Studies (1901-Present)

        KHAZAR FICTION
        A guide to conventionally-published novels, short stories, and poems about Khazaria.
        Fictional Literature about the Khazars

        THE KUZARI AND ITS AUTHOR
        Yehudah ha-Levi was one of the greatest Spanish Jewish poets. He was born circa 1080 in Toledo, Spain, while it was under Islamic rule. He was a prolific writer of both Arabic and Hebrew poetry. From 1120 to 1140, ha-Levi wrote the famous 5-chapter book known as The Kuzari, which bases its storyline upon the Khazars’ conversion to Judaism.
        The Kuzari’s References to the Khazar Conversion to Judaism
        The Poetry and Prose of Yehudah ha-Levi

        RUSSIAN-LANGUAGE HISTORIES OF KHAZARIA
        This is a wonderfully illustrated guide to the history of the Khazars, compiled by staff at Rostov State University. The only unfortunate thing in the site is that Khazar Judaism is wrongly accused of causing strife and a civil war.
        Khazarskiy Kaganat

        THE KHAZAR CORRESPONDENCE
        The Jews of Spain were introduced to facts about the Khazar kingdom largely through the efforts of Hasdai ibn Shaprut, vizier and physician to the Spanish caliphs, who wrote a letter to King Joseph of the Khazars.
        Excerpts from the Letters of Hasdai ibn Shaprut and King Joseph

        THE GENETICS OF THE PEOPLES OF KHAZARIA
        Gennady E. Afanasiev and his co-authors published the Russian article “Khazarskie konfederaty v Basseyne Dona” in Yestestvennonauchnie metodi issledovaniya i paradigma sovremennoy arkheologii: Materiali Vserossiyskoy nauchnoy koferentsii, Moskva, Institut arkheologii Rossiyskoy akademii nauk, 8-11 dekabrya 2015 in 2015 on pages 146-153. They examined the uniparental markers of 4 individuals in the Saltovo-Mayaki culture of Khazaria who lived circa the 800s:
        •Sample A80301 belonged to the Y-DNA haplogroup R1a1a1b2a (R-Z94) which is of Persian/West Asian origin and found today among Turkic-speaking Karachay people. A80301’s mtDNA haplogroup was I4a which is found today in northwestern and central Europe such as in Sweden, and also found around the Black Sea, in the North Caucasus, and in Armenia, Iran, and Siberia.
        •Sample A80302’s mtDNA haplogroup was D4m2, which is found today in Siberia among the Dolgan, Yakut, and Even peoples, but is never found among Ashkenazim.
        •Sample A80410 belonged to the Y-DNA haplogroup G, commonly found among peoples in West Asia and the Caucasus today.
        •Sample A80411 belonged to the Y-DNA haplogroup J2a, which is also commonly found in West Asia and the Caucasus today, and also in Central Asia and in parts of Europe like the Balkans.

        • Replies: @Republic
      80. Anon[317] • Disclaimer says:

        Turkey should be restored to its rightful owners the Greeks, the Kurds and other original people that inhabited the area before the Turkic Nomadic Barbarian Invaders left their home of the Steps of Mongolia.
        The so called Turks should be encouraged to move to one of the other 6 Turkic nations so that peace could be returned from Turkic barbarians onslaught.

        • Troll: AnonStarter, HEREDOT
      81. @Alfred

        Israel is behind all the above except for Hong Kong.

        Sharing rioting tips? Ukrainian neo-Nazi ‘tourists’ spotted amid Hong Kong protests – Linkto RT

        This isn’t proof Occupied Palestine is behind their moves, but it doesn’t necessarily exclude them either, imo

      82. @Tom Welsh

        This picture:

        Should have looked like this one:

        It didn’t and you and I know exactly why.

        The FUKZUS ‘war’ machine’s handiwork.

      83. anon[113] • Disclaimer says:
        @FB

        Muslims are instructed on lying to and then killing Infidels as part of their covenant with Allah.

        Well…so is the Old Testament…which is full of such instructions about killing…

        Unfortunately, you seem to agree with hasbaRat A123’s assertion. If you have read chapter 17, you know this is a lie (assuming you possess adequate reading comprehension). See comment #62.

        The rest of your remarks are reasonable, but I don’t share your optimism about US withdrawal. The derangement of people in this town (DC) is remarkable. Tonight, towards the end of an erudite talk on financial cycles, the speaker (a professor at Johns Hopkins) blurted out, “Trump! Russia! Russia!” and the whole audience, save me, murmured approvingly. But the other side is just as whacky. Trump could sit on Syrian oil through the election, telling his base that he’s covering costs, or some such malarchy. And the Kurds would be selling the oil to Israel, so win-win-win.

      84. @Colin Wright

        it was an attack carried out by a fundamentalist Wahhabi terrorist organization.

        I have one [ultra conservative] uncle, a retired senior captain that flew heavies for JAL, and he categorically refuses to believe people who couldn’t get a Cessna off the ground, are able/capable to fly planes, that takes a FO a minimum of 1,500 to 2,000 hours to be allowed to sit in the cockpit, the way they did. It’s way too complicated to fly two Boeing 757s and two Boeing 767s manually, for inexperienced men to pull off what supposedly happened on 9/11 [according to him].

        We have very little common ground between the two of us, but this is a sliver of it.

        • Agree: FB
        • Replies: @Desert Fox
      85. Realist says:
        @Oscar Peterson

        What more are you suggesting should be done at the moment? Simply saying “Somebody do something!” is hardly useful.

        I didn’t say ‘somebody do something’. I said stop whining and do something…or stop whining. Your like an old cat lady, bitching and moaning.

        • Replies: @Realist
        , @Oscar Peterson
      86. Realist says:
        @Republic

        In the US,Jews are over represented in all places except at Arlington cemetery

        Yes, they are considerable smarter than other races.

        • Replies: @Republic
      87. Sean says:
        @Colin Wright

        https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/11/pentagon-troops-saudi-arabia-044502

        The latest deployment, which includes two squadrons of fighter jets and three air-defense units, will bring to 3,000 the number of troops the U.S. has sent to Saudi Arabia since Iran attacked the kingdom’s oil infrastructure last month. “

        History is repeating itself. The internal stability of the Saudi regieme is the real issue behind all the recent wars by the US in the Middle East.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_withdrawal_from_Saudi_Arabia
        Since Saudi Arabia houses the holiest sites in Islam (Mecca and Medina), a number of Muslims, including Bin Laden and his supporters, were outraged at the permanent presence of non-Muslim U.S., British and French military personnel. The continued presence of U.S. troops after the Gulf War in Saudi Arabia was also one of the stated motivations behind the September 11th terrorist attacks[1] and the Khobar Towers bombing. The date of the 1998 United States embassy bombings was eight years to the day (August 7) that American troops were sent to Saudi Arabia. The U.S. had rejected the characterization of its presence as an “occupation”, noting that the government of Saudi Arabia consented to the presence of troops. On April 29, 2003, Donald Rumsfeld announced that he would be withdrawing remaining U.S. troops from the country.

        The ‘Mission Accomplished’ address by United States President George W. Bush was on May 1, 2003.

        • Replies: @Colin Wright
      88. @AnonStarter

        Hamas is a front and a tool of Israel, read the book By Way of Deception by ex Mossad agent Victor Ostrovsky, can be had on amazon.

        • Replies: @AnonStarter
      89. @Daniel Rich

        Agree, drjudywood.com has the answer to how the attack was done.

      90. FB says: • Website
        @Colin Wright

        It’s my belief that 9/11 was more or less as advertised; it was an attack carried out by a fundamentalist Wahhabi terrorist organization.

        And I believed [sort of], when I was about two, that my dad was an elephant when he pulled his coat over his head and swung the empty coat sleeves around while stomping around and making [sort of] elephant noises…

        So I guess that proves that…thanks…

        • LOL: denk
      91. Realist says:
        @Realist

        Should; read You’re like an…

      92. FB says: • Website
        @Colin Wright

        Oh and btw Inspector Clouseau…

        Just checked out your blog where you have this short entry about a G. Maxwell reviewing on Amazon a book about deaths of CIA operatives…

        You first quote the Amazon review verbatim…

        A good friend of mine died recently under very tragic circumstances. Some of us saw it coming for quite a while but it was still a huge shock when it finally happened. I picked up this book at the advice of a friend and absolutely couldn’t put it down. I’d read it walking the dog, getting fast food, or even just lounging around the house. It helped me realized that my friend really believed in something, and that giving your life for the CIA, NSA, FBI, Mossad, or other intelligence agency is truly a higher calling and not something to mourn. A wholehearted recommendation.

        And then you add something about some New York tabloid also noticing this review…and you conclude thus…

        No reason to think there’s anything at all to any of this. Nope, none at all. It’s even possible it was another ‘G. Maxwell’ who posted the review.

        And if you had actually checked some of the 50 plus comments beneath this review you might have spotted this…

        There is evidently a real G. Maxwell, who lives in Portland, OR. This person has reviewed 46 items. Does this mean that this individual is Ghislaine Maxwell, the daughter of Robert Maxwell. This review is most likely a spoof. By the way, my real name is not “Diappointed.”

        –An Amazon reviewer who goes by ‘Disappointed’…

        Also clicking on this G. Maxwell’s profile, you would have seen that he or she is indeed from Portland and has reviewed 47 items…[which would probably NOT be something Lady Ghislane would have the time for…what with getting her helicopter license to fly victims to the Pedo Island…throwing parties for plutocrat sleazebags at her Upper East Side townhouse…and, lately, running from the law…

        Very impressive piece of work there…your bear trap mind and keen logic truly amaze…

        And so a silly prank on Amazon reader reviews is cause for a paranoid blog entry…but Inspector C. does of course ‘believe’ that 911 went down ‘as advertised’…

        Gotcha Inspector C. [wink wink]…why does all of this suddenly make a whole lot of sense…?

      93. @Sean

        ‘… History is repeating itself. The internal stability of the Saudi regieme is the real issue behind all the recent wars by the US in the Middle East…’

        Right. You’re definitely not just a quack. You’re actively engaged in cranking out your own brand of hasbara.

        We all know exactly who is behind ‘all the recent wars by the US in the Middle East.’ Your purpose is to obscure that.

      94. Rurik says:
        @Commentator Mike

        But fancy the biggest terrorist in the world, the US government, putting anybody on a terrorist list.

        it’s exactly the same thing as Israel calling Palestinians terrorists, for suffering and resisting generations of state-sponsored terror.. (mass-murder, theft, genocide, and just about every inhuman indecency imaginable). But if they resist any of that, well then they’re ‘terrorists!’

        The ZUS bombs sovereign nations and drones weddings, and then has the pus nads to call their victims ‘terrorists’.
        .
        .
        .

        (‘pus nads’, for those who know not, are when your manhood/ball-sack is composed of foul oozing goop. It’s really a metaphor for a man’s or nation’s rancid soul. A rotting ball-sack, is simply a metaphor for Tony Blair, the person. Or Bush or Cheney or McCain or Obama- ad nauseam..)

      95. Rurik says:
        @Colin Wright

        Where I veer away from the official story is in emphasizing Israeli foreknowledge and possibly even complicity; and in her not warning us. She watched the attack unfold, watched its culmination, and was happy to see it happen. This isn’t paranoid conspiracy theorizing; it’s established fact.

        yes it is, but it’s also an established fact that foreknowledge of building seven’s implosion, is proof that the building was wired for demolition.

        Because for news outlets to know and even report of the building falling, before it did, could not have happened by coincidence, anymore than a news report of the first plane hitting the WTC towers, minutes before the plane hit, could have been a coincidence.

        And that’s just one tiny shred of the avalanche of evidence that the official story is a preposterous lie.

        “there it is, it went down right there”

        Busted!

      96. Herald says:
        @Realist

        Thank you Realist, you make the case very well.

        It is indeed a measure of your stupidity, to allow yourself to be over influenced by those, who have only their own interests at heart.

        It surprises me, that some people on this site, other than trolls, would have a problem understanding this rather basic and logical point.

        • Replies: @Realist
        , @Rurik
      97. Republic says:
        @Anon

        Kemal Ataturk,the founder of modern day Turkey,was born in what is now Greece,whose father, was a member of a secret jewish sect,known as Doenmeh,who were islamic,but followed Jewish rites in private

      98. Republic says:
        @Realist

        Yes,they avoid dying in wars,only goys do that!

        • Replies: @Realist
      99. Realist says:
        @Herald

        It is indeed a measure of your stupidity, to allow yourself to be over influenced by those, who have only their own interests at heart.

        It surprises me, that some people on this site, other than trolls, would have a problem understanding this rather basic and logical point.

        Yes, it is very discouraging, many commenters on Unz Review seem to miss the logic…especially on Giraldi’s articles. I guess it is easier to bitch and moan than come up with a solution.

      100. Rurik says:
        @Herald

        It is indeed a measure of your stupidity, to allow yourself to be over influenced by those, who have only their own interests at heart.

        Yes, perhaps gullibility does indeed = stupidity.

        But it does seem a little more complicated than that, at least to me.

        Sort of like a neighbor, who rapes and murders a famed, Nobel Prize winning physicist’s wife, (because it’s in his interest as he sees it, to do so), but then tells the physicist that it was someone else who he saw commit the crime, and so the physicist goes and kills that other person in a righteous rage.

        Now there are three lives ended or ruined, all because someone pursued their interest.

        Does that imply that the rapist, liar and murderer is necessarily smarter than all the others?

        Or that they’re simply unequipped to comprehend/deal with such levels of treachery?

        Does treachery, in the end, = smarts?

        Especially if, at the end of the day, everyone else is either dead or in jail, and the rapist is free and looking for his next victim?

        I suppose the argument could be made, but for me, it’s a little more complicated than just smarts vs. stupidity.

        • Agree: Daniel Rich
        • Replies: @Herald
      101. Omegabooks says: • Website

        So there are more Kurds than Palestinians? Didn’t know that (since you said the Kurds are the largest ethnicity without there own state…or do you actually believe Palestinians have there own state, which they don’t…Jordan is NOT a Palestinian state! And you do know that Israel wants to take over Jordan as well…Nile-to-Euphrates “Biblical” nonsense and all that… and then Syria, Iraq, Egypt, etc…. And oh yeah, Lebanon, which the cowards failed to do in 2006…bwahahahahahahahahah!)

        • Replies: @Lo
      102. Herald says:
        @Colin Wright

        The rat trap story might be seen by some as little more than a straw man. While it is interesting and quite amusing, it sheds very little light on US and Israeli/Jewish relationships.

      103. Lo says:
        @AnonStarter

        Indeed he is full of shit. Neither would a Turk refer Kurds as Zaza, since they are distinct ethnicities in Turkey, nor speaking Kurdish is prohibited. Leftists are same everywhere intense hatred for one’s own nation is a common trait among them.

        • Replies: @Druid
      104. Realist says:
        @Republic

        Yes,they avoid dying in wars,only goys do that!

        That is correct. And for the last seventy-four years they have been dying in useless wars that make the Deep State and their minions wealthy and powerful.

      105. Lo says:
        @TKK

        Tell your imaginary Turkish friend that Zazas are not Kurdish, and there is no reason to call Kurds as Zazas. Also if there are lies in Mike’s analysis go ahead, expose them. Aren’t Kurds considered equal citizens with equal rights? Isn’t there Kurdish broadcasts? Aren’t there dozens, if not hundreds Kurdish parliamentarians in AKP itself? Where exactly is he lying? Don’t be a wuss.

        Also, fearless skilled Kurdish warriors were getting their asses whipped until US supported them. Don’t pretend like they saved the US or something. They fought for themselves, spoiled by the US, started claiming third of Syria and wanted even more despite being roughly 10% of Syrian population. The moment Turks started their operation though they showed no resistance and run away with their tails between their legs. There, your brave Kurds. Maybe there is a reason why they never had a state.

      106. Lo says:
        @Omegabooks

        There are more Kurds than Palestinians. However one key difference is that unlike Palestinians, they are not autochthonous people of neither Turkey nor Syria. Their homeland is Western Iran and Northwest Iraq. Kurds in both Turkey and Syria migrated there after Turks defeated Romans.

        • Replies: @Plato's Dream
        , @Avery
        , @Druid
      107. @Desert Fox

        I’ve read it. Ostrovsky doesn’t say anything divergent from what I wrote.

        Look … As someone with more than a bit of background knowledge about the Muslim world, I can tell you that certain religious or political movements are not comprehensively corrupted as a consequence of some parties’ fleeting association therewith. Both the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and Turkey’s Nur Movement immediately come to mind.

        There are many others which have been infiltrated and exploited by opponents; this doesn’t make any given movement corrupt per se, since many adherents acting in good faith remain. It usually leads to factionalizing, which is a key objective of agents provocateur.

      108. Max Parry says:
        @anon

        That’s true, and so does their Iranian affiliate PJAK

      109. Rebel0007 says:

        It is really shocking that 46% of Americans oppose forces leaving Syria. I find that impossible to believe.

        The question of this era in my opinion is how does one think that they know what they think that they know.

        In a state of total surveillance, polling, data farming, hacking, high tech fakes, and media that never sleeps we know that there has never been more corruption.

        It would not surprise me in the least to learn that some group was transferring calls from a switch board, intercepting them and answerring yes.

        It would also not surprise me to learn in the future that things that we hear the Presidents say on live TV were just media manipulations and that the secret service would threaten to assassinate them if they told anyone.

        This country is just too corrupt and insane with a history of pathological lying to believe anything any more.

        • Replies: @Lo
      110. Great to see you back Mike!

        • Agree: Max Parry
      111. mcohen says:

        They say x and you say not x,they say y and you say not y.and on it goes Ron.you are part of the same crew that is controling the conversation from both ends to create facts on the ground.Boring as tits and easy to beat.Just ask Vlad.lol

      112. @Lo

        Arabs are not autochtonous in Palestine either.

        • Replies: @Lo
      113. melpol says:

        No territory in modern times is open to expansion by foreign nations. Most of the Syrian people are not loyal to Assad and would welcome Turkey,Iran,Russia, or China to lead then to a better standard of living. Assad can keep Damascus but the rest of Syria is up for grabs. Land speculators are rushing in to fill the vacuum and stake a claim on former Syrian territory.

      114. nab says:

        The writer is either totally ignorant of the meaning of words or the history of the area, the history of Turkey, the Kurds and the inherent conflicts spanning about 5,ooo years of history in the area. What does terrorism mean and why Kurds are “terrorizing” Turkey. Did they decide one morning to start bombing Turkey to have a nice time instead of playing backgammon??
        Has Mr. Whitney read about the history of the Kurds, the massacres and pogroms enacted against them by the Republic of Turkey? Does Mr. Whitney know who are the armies sent against the Kurds of Syria?? They are a bunch of jihadists, who fight to spread Salafism of the worst kind.
        Turkey will never leave Syria, as it never left its bases in Iraq and it never left Cyprus. The Turks as the last of the Muslim conquerors know that where the sword enters it leaves only if it is pushed back by the sword. Syria is no more. The idiots in Washington and Germany, the Turkish and Russian opportunists and the totally corrupt Saudis and the Iranians are going to destroy the area one way or another. If you add up the Israeli fear of a new genocide we have the scenario of total annihilation.
        The Americans cannot leave the place. Trump and all who want to get rid of the past sins of US interventions must understand that the area will explode and cause a nuclear war. To be a great power is a demanding historical responsibility. To just quit because you feel lost or irrelevant is a historical crime.

        • Replies: @Lo
      115. Lo says:
        @nab

        Lol here we go with 5000 years old Kurdish civilization. I have news for you, no nation is 5000 years old. Now if you will say I meant conflict in region was always there, that is the case everywhere. For your information, Syrian and Turkish lands Kurds claim has never been Kurdish until Turks took them and allowed Kurdish migration. Pogroms, massacres? There was 2 major uprisings soon after Turkey was founded, as any state Turkey responded with force, so your massacres are casualties of armed clash. Fact: Turkey saved hundreds of thousands of Kurds from Saddam during GW 1. Now 350k+ Kurds are in Turkey as refugees. If Turkey indeed hates Kurds and wants to destroy them, then why do they keep running to Turkey every time they become target of some dictator?

        • Replies: @Avery
      116. Lo says:
        @Plato's Dream

        Palestinians are descendants of ancient people of Israel, including Jews. They are Arabized Semites. Average Palestinian is more “Jewish” than Euro and Russo Jews if you go by DNA.

      117. Lo says:
        @Rebel0007

        Media uses shaming tactics to convince Americans to support policies that harm US interests. If you paid any attention to MSM then 54% opposition to Syria policy is actually great. Hence some are losing their minds and are trying to censor the internet.

      118. Avery says:
        @Lo

        {….Kurds . ….. are not autochthonous people of neither Turkey nor Syria}

        What are you saying, Kurds aren’t but Turks are?
        Kurds’ homeland is a lot closer to where they now live than Turks’.

        Turks are not autochthonous to Asia Minor either.
        Turks’ homelands are in Central and East Asia, Uyghuristan.
        Turks are nomadic invaders.
        The autochthonous Christian peoples of Asia Minor were methodically and deliberately ethnically cleansed and exterminated by the invading nomadic Muslim Turkic tribes.

        • Replies: @Lo
        , @Colin Wright
      119. Avery says:
        @Lo

        { For your information, Syrian and Turkish lands Kurds claim has never been Kurdish until Turks took them and allowed Kurdish migration. }

        Quote ‘Turkish’ lands?
        There is no such thing in Asia Minor.
        If Turks can claim something they stole as their own, so can Kurds.

        And Turks did more than ‘allow’ Kurds to migrate: Turks actually brought them to help them displace the indigenous peoples and also help them (Turks) in their extermination and ethnic cleansing campaigns . So I shed no tears for the treacherous Kurds, who enthusiastically participated in the Armenian Genocide, amongst many other crimes against the Christian peoples, both before and after the AG.

        • Replies: @Lo
      120. @Realist

        “I didn’t say ‘somebody do something’. I said stop whining and do something…or stop whining.”

        A distinction without a difference.

      121. Lo says:
        @Avery

        I haven’t said that Turks are authochtonous, it is a Kurdish claim. I was merely pointing that Turks neither destroyed a Kurdish state nor displaced them. In fact, it is thanks to Turks they are where they are. Otherwise, no way in hell would Christians let them settle in Anatolia.

      122. Lo says:
        @Avery

        Whether you like it or not it is called Turkey since almost millenia now. Turks did let Kurds migrate and encouraged it, correct. But it was not for displacing Armenians or Greek, but Alawite Turks. Almost 1 milion Turks migrated from Anatolia to Iran around 1500s. Armenians had never been so populous by that time Muslims were already majority in East Anatolia. It is true that it was mostly Kurdish tribes that attacked Armenians during forced march, however as I said many times there is no evidence of a planned mass extermination. What Turks wanted to do was similar to Japanese internment, they applied same relocation policy to Turks in previous centuries as well. It was botched as far as innocent Armenians are concerned. However, don’t pretend that Turks neither had historical hatred towards Armenians nor Armenians didn’t massacre tens of thousands Muslims, mostly Turks. Almost 1000 years of sustained Armenian existence, without major frictions prove that. For you it is emotional, look at Bulgarian independence, compare populations and it is not hard to see what would Armenians do had Dashnaks and Hinchaks got their way in a land where they were a minority.

      123. “The Kurds, after all, are the largest ethnic minority in the world without their own state. ”

        This is simply not true.

        • Agree: Colin Wright
        • Replies: @Colin Wright
      124. Druid says:
        @A123

        You’re a hasbara crap-hole who knows very little about islam but are constantly espousing your crap. Talmudist turd us what you are.

      125. Druid says:
        @Colin Wright

        I usually like your comments but you fall for the official 911 story I wonder if you have more than two brain cells

        • Replies: @Colin Wright
      126. @Druid

        ‘I usually like your comments but you fall for the official 911 story I wonder if you have more than two brain cells’

        I just refuse to subscribe to conspiracy theories past a certain combination of complexity and improbability. It’s the Australia principle. I’ve never actually been there, and they could be making it all up — but I choose to believe the official story. Australia is really there. You can prove to me until you’re blue in the face that kangaroos are biologically impossible — but it won’t sway me.

        I’ve never even seriously looked into it. Australia is there, the Holocaust happened, and the buildings in the World Trade Center fell down because Saudi Arabian terrorists hijacked airplanes and flew them into the buildings.

        Curiously, even if one believed otherwise, tactically, the best move might be to point out the most clearly established anomaly. Israel knew it was going to happen, and didn’t warn us. Let’s get everyone clear on that. Then maybe we’ll actually have the consensus necessary to actually uncover exactly what she did know and do.

        Hey. Maybe it’ll turn out you’re right. I very much doubt it, but it won’t particularly upset me to be proved wrong.

        • Replies: @Daniel Rich
      127. @Avery

        ‘The autochthonous Christian peoples of Asia Minor were methodically and deliberately ethnically cleansed and exterminated by the invading nomadic Muslim Turkic tribes.’

        That’s quite obviously and even visibly not true.

        You can go there today and look at the people and see. You might as well claim Barbary pirates exterminated and replaced the Scandinavian population of Iceland. The claim is visibly nonsense.

        ‘Turks’ don’t look at all Turkic. They look remarkably like ‘Greeks’ and all the other peoples of the Aegean basin and Anatolia — and for very good reason.

      128. @Armaggedon

        ‘This is simply not true.’

        I’d withdraw my ‘agree’ if I could.

        While I wouldn’t lend the claim the significance the author appears to, there are a lot of Kurds. What’s a larger ethnic minority without its own state?

        • Replies: @Lo
      129. Lo says:
        @Colin Wright

        India has many ethnicities. Turks in Iran are also more numerous than Kurds.

      130. Druid says:
        @Lo

        A former PM of Turkey was a kurd

      131. Druid says:
        @Lo

        I believe also that southeastern Turkey where kurds live was once armenian territory. The donmeh transferring and killing armenians was to a large extent done by kurds. Correct me if I’m wrong

      132. @Colin Wright

        I try to avoid turning 9/11 into a ‘religion.’

        I purely stick to anomalies in stories and presented faults in logic/physics of the 9/11 events.

        Can you explain [in any logical way] how the BBC is able to declare WTC 7 has collapsed… 20 minutes before it happened?

        I can’t.

        If there’s one lie, there are [or will be] more.

        Here’s the clip @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEsjv9vKCGc

        [WTC7 is the building right behind her and it fell nearly 8 hours later -in only 6.5 seconds- into its own footprint].

        The laws of physics can’t be bent.

        Free fall speed = demolition.

        Demolition = planning

        Take it from there.

      133. Herald says:
        @Rurik

        Of course, there is some merit in the points you raise, but the hypothetical example you cite is not a good parallel with the US/Israel relationship.

        I would suggest that a much more appropriate scenario would be where, the now widowed Nobel prize winner goes on to marry several more times and after each new marriage the cycle of rape and murder repeats itself, with the same neighbourly rapist/murderer getting away each time with total impunity.

        If an event happens just once, as in your example it might be hard to draw any firm conclusions from it about cleverness or stupidity. However, if this event is repeated time and again it becomes rather clear that the rapist is probably a great deal more cunning, or indeed cleverer than our multiply widowed Nobel prize winner, he never seems to wise up, despite history continually repeating itself.

        The really worrying thing is that the Nobel prize winner has just recently announced that his neighbour is now his extra special friend, who everyone should learn love, as he will again be best man at his forthcoming wedding.

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