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      Last year I reviewed Andrei Martyanov’s book “Losing Military Supremacy: the Myopia of American Strategic Planning” for the Unz Review. In that book, Martyanov explained why the era of easy US victories over pretty much defenseless countries was over and what that meant for US force planners. This year it is my immense pleasure to review his latest book “The (real) Revolution in Military Affairs“. Let me immediately say that you do not have to read the first book to greatly enjoy the second one, but I still do think that the best “combo” to get a full picture would be to read both books in the order they were published. Still, today I will review only the second book.

      First, debunking the many US political science canards

      Martyanov begins his book by debunking the so-called “Thucydides Trap” which Foreign Policy summarized as so: “When one great power threatens to displace another, war is almost always the result — but it doesn’t have to be” (with a clear emphasis on the first part of the subtitle). Martyanov correctly calls this (typically “political science geeks”) cliché as very dangerous and misleading. He then proceeds to debunk a who’s who list of US political science cliches, including the latest one, the so-called “hybrid warfare”. He speaks of “unnecessary and pseudo-scholastic confusion” and he adds that the current “Western think-tankdom” is “utterly unprepared” for the realities of modern warfare. As somebody who worked (during my college years) for several US think tanks in Washington DC, I can only agree. I also know for a fact that most think tanks will write anything, no matter how false, just to secure more funding (I even had colleague who worked in “respectable” think tanks laugh about the nonsense they were writing just to get more funding).

      Furthermore, in most west European countries, what US think tanks write is considered as gospel, including by folks in important positions in the intelligence and military establishments. So when the latest US-canard comes out, say “hybrid warfare” everybody in Europe feels compelled to use that expression to appear semi-educated in military matters. That I have also seen myself, and many times.

      Key thesis: western leaders, especially US decision makers, are out of touch with reality

      According to Martyanov , western political leaders are living in a completely delusional pseudo-reality which has no connection to the real world whatsoever. I would remind those who will accuse Martyanov of being too harsh in his critique that no less than Karl Rove, the US political Uber-guru, candidly admitted thatWe’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”

      You could say that Martyanov’s entire effort is aimed at one specific goal: to wake up those Americans who still care and who still have the minimum of critical intelligence left by laying out before them the reality of modern warfare in the 21st century, including against near-peer, peer and even superior adversaries (in 2019 this would only be Russia, but this is also changing very, very fast, and China has made immense progress in her military capabilities).

      He begins by showing why political science models, which aim at assessing the global aggregate power of a society, the US, is deeply flawed and gives the western politicians and public a completely erroneous feeling of confidence, power and security. He then proceeds to contrast these models with something which I have not heard since my college years: the so-called “Osipov-Lanchester Laws” (well, since I was in a US college we called it only the “Lanchester equations” because western academia almost never mentions non-western authors or scientists). I won’t summarize the nature of these equations here, Wikipedia does a decent job here, but I will mention that in our military force planning classes we used these (and other) equations to make all sorts of numerical models for attrition, front movement and even nuclear exchanges between superpowers (which,of course, did not use the early 20th century Osipov-Lanchester equations directly, but did use modern equations which have been developed by the US force planning community which were at least inspired by the type of methodology used by Osipov and Lanchester).

      Let me immediately reassure the math-averse readers: Martyanov’s writing does not drag the reader through any complicated equations, he just uses a simplified version of these Osipov-Lanchester equations to show that modern warfare is a science which requires a minimum of technical/technological expertise to understand and which has really nothing to do with meaningless political science buzzwords and over-hyped concepts like “A2/AD” or “hybrid warfare”, “network-centric warfare” or even “Revolution in Military Affairs”. The truth is that none of these concepts are new at all. They have existed for decades, and they are all buzzwords whose the primary function to make an otherwise clueless person appear “well-versed in the complex terminology of modern political science” or some other equally insipid purpose, like convincing clueless politicians to spend more money on “defense” thereby making it possible for the proponents of this kind of political science nonsense to fill their pockets with easily earned money.

      Next, a crash course in modern warfare for beginners

      ORDER IT NOW

      The rest of the book is what I would call a ‘crash course in modern warfare for beginners’: Martyanov does an absolutely superb job explaining some (not all, of course!) features of modern warfare to a reader which is assumed to be only a curious amateur whose intellect can be persuaded by fact-based and logical arguments (as opposed to delusional, imperial hubris and feel-good flagwaving and self-worship). As a matter of fact, Martyanov’s book could be an ideal “introduction to military analysis” or a “planning military forces 101” course.

      Martyanov is clearly deeply frustrated with the willful ignorance shown by a lot of US academics, politicians and other talking heads and he places the blame on the US educational system which, according to Martyanov, teaches nonsensical theories which are not just useless, but actually self-deceiving and outright dangerous. In all fairness to US colleges and academies, I think that Martyanov is just a little unfair: while it is true that most “political science” and other “conflict and peace studies” schools mostly teach nonsense, there are other US colleges and academies – both civilian and military – which, at least in the 80s and 90s – did teach real military analysis and force planning. Those courses were typically taught by adjunct teachers taken from military personnel who taught evening classes while still working in their regular DoD positions. Furthermore, many students had a military rank (typically First Lieutenant and Captains). I don’t know how good these schools are now, but in the 1980s-1990s some of these schools had superb curricula, “heavy” on technical analysis and computer modeling. I can also say that most of the US officers I studied with were very competent specialists and honorable men who were all acutely aware that being an officer in a superpower’s military, places upon you a double burden: that to protect your country by deterrence, but also to avoid a conflict at almost any cost because this is the only way to really protect your country!

      By the way, at that time a senior officer of the DoD’s Office of Net Assessment openly told us “no US President will ever sacrifice Boston or Chicago for the sake of Berlin or Paris; but we will never admit that publicly“. In my experience, US Cold War officers were very competent, cautious and acutely aware of the immense responsibility placed upon their shoulders. Furthermore, I will say this: during the Cold War both the USSR and the US acted responsibly, even during major crises. Finally, in spite of Reagan’s (stillborn) idea of “Star Wars” aka “SDI” – I never met a single US officer who believed, even for a second, that the US could ever stop a Soviet retaliatory second strike (never mind a first one!).

      During the Cold War – deterrence worked and both sides played by the same rulebook. This is not the case anymore, and that is very frightening.

      Likewise, while the official USN posture was that it needed 600 ships to then “forward deploy” and “bring the war to the Soviets” (by, for example, striking the Kola Peninsula). Yet, all the USN officers whom I met and who served on US carriers told us that this was all propaganda and that due to the “extreme” missile threat from Soviet Bears, Backfires and Oscar-class SSGNs the navy would immediately pull back south of the so-called GIUK Gap. Keep in mind that this was long before the advent of long range hypersonic anti-ship missiles!

      At the time (late 1980s) what I typically saw in US military oriented schools was very competent military specialists who, when indeed, did give the obligatory lip-service to the official flag waving propaganda, but who never, not for one second, took all that silly propaganda seriously. Not one. As for the folks whom these military specialists typically called “political science geeks” – nobody ever took them seriously and there was a great deal of dislike between the political science departments faculty and students and the “security studies” or “national security studies” schools (a lot of proto-Neocons amongst these political science geeks, by the way).

      Is that still true today? I don’t know, but my fear is that the Neocons have gutted DoD from its most competent specialists, leaving only “political generals” (really political clowns à la General “Betrayus” whom Admiral Fallon openly called an “Ass-Kissing Little Chickenshit”). And, frankly, the (rather credible) rumor that General Jim Mattis aka “Maddog” was the (lone) voice of reason in the Spring of 2017 in Trump’s otherwise wall-to-wall Neocon Cabinet is outright frightening. Especially since Mattis eventually was shown to the door…

      But the reality might be even worse.

      What happens when the “third A” is gone

      During one of these courses, I don’t remember which one, I remember an officer telling us that the process of intelligence can be summarized by what he called the “three As”: acquisition, analysis and acceptance. The first ‘a’ is simply about getting the raw data by whatever means, technical or “human”. The next ‘a’ is the analysis of the obtained data by specialized folks who are supposed to be the experts in parsing and evaluating that data and its source, and then working on a readable summary to be presented to decision makers. The third ‘a’ is simply acceptance, or lack thereof, by the decision makers of the reports presented to them. Judging by the kind of language now used by almost all US politicians (except Ron Paul and Tulsi Gabbard and maybe a very few others), the process of intelligence in the US appears to be completely broken, whether at the level of the first, second or third ‘a’ makes very little difference. Why?

      Because speaking the truth about modern warfare or about the dismal state of the US armed forces is an instant “career killer” in the modern US political context. Anyone who breaks this taboo is instantly destroying his or her prospect of being heard, never-mind listened to. In the modern political culture the knee jerk response to any such “crime-think” is a typical combination of accusation of “anti-Americanism” or “lack of patriotism” or some other ad hominem which skillfully avoids any discussion of the actual reality of the topic being discussed. So let me address this attitude frontally and state the following:

      I strongly believe that any American who loves his/her country should carefully read BOTH of Martyanov’s books!

      Furthermore, far from being anti-US, Martyanov’s books represent a herculean effort to try to wake up the comatose US public about the reality of modern warfare and to show that a continuation of the flagwaving delusional imperial hubris which is so pervasive in the US political discourse could lead to an absolute disaster: a full-scale war between Russia and the US, China and the US or, even worse, Russia and China against the US. And that is a war which, for the first time in history, will devastate the US mainland with both conventional and even nuclear weapons.

      Finally, if you really could never wrap your head around the new Russian weapons announced by Putin in his now famous speech, you can also think of Martyanov’s book as a study-guide for curious civilians in which he will explain not only what these weapons can do, but what their introduction into the Russian armed forces really means for the US.

      With this book, you will get your third ‘a’ back again

      The biggest benefit from Martyanov’s two books is that they give you, the reader, all three As: you are presented with the real-world “hard” data about what new weapon systems and tactics of the 21st century are, then Martyanov presents you with a simple but extremely convincing analysis of what all that data means and, finally, Martyanov spells out why all this is crucial for every US citizens who wants his or her country to be peaceful and prosperous. As such, I can only repeat that I consider both of Martyanov’s books as a “must read” for any member of the Saker Community or for anybody wanting to understand the real nature of the current Revolution in Military Affairs unfolding before our eyes.

      The book is very well written and pretty short (193 pages). My only regret is the very poor index at the end (such a seminal book really ought to have a full index).

      This is a great read and I urge you all to get a copy of this book.

      ANDREI MARTYANOV: is an expert on Russian military and naval issues. He was born in Baku, USSR in 1963. He graduated from the Kirov Naval Red Banner Academy and served as an officer on the ships and staff position of Soviet Coast Guard through 1990. He took part in the events in the Caucasus which led to the collapse of the Soviet Union. In mid-1990s he moved to the United States where he currently works as Laboratory Director in a commercial aerospace group. He is a frequent blogger on the US Naval Institute Blog.
      He also blogs at Reminiscence of the Future…

       
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      1. So what are the current odds of open conflict vs China?Iran?Russia? How delusional are the war planners at the pentagon?

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      2. tygertgr says:

        I read “losing supremacy” and it was 90% idiotic. Total fantasy about the real state and application of various military technologies. And then pages and pages about how much smarter and better educated than Americans Russians are.

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      3. Perhaps you could provide evidence and argument to rebut martyanov’s assessment of some weapons system or some military strategy or tactic?

        My copy of his book is en route.

      4. @tygertgr

        So, the US spends maybe ten times as much on defense as Russia, and still goes around acting apprehensive of Russian military action.

        Doesn’t sound very smart or well educated…unless it is just plain corrupt.

        • Replies: @Moi
      5. dearieme says:

        how much smarter and better educated than Americans Russians are

        I know; just compare Putin to Trump or Hillary and you can see the folly of the claim.

        • Agree: bluedog
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      6. You mean chanting Marxist slogans and a Hallmark Disneyland utopian delusion don’t work in the real world?
        Reality is so mean. *sniffle*

      7. Overall…food for thought.

        However, as one of those ‘Cold War’ officers…I’d point out a few contrarian facts:

        1. “Furthermore, I will say this: during the Cold War both the USSR and the US acted responsibly….”

        Really? US…Bay of Pigs, Cuba Blockade. USSR…Katyn forrest massacre (Poland), Afghanistan.

        2. “Finally, in spite of Reagan’s (stillborn) idea of “Star Wars” aka “SDI” – I never met a single US officer who believed, even for a second, that the US could ever stop a Soviet retaliatory second strike (never mind a first one!).”

        ‘Stillborn idea’…perhaps. Nevertheless, the USSR bankrupted itself trying to create their own…while at the same time deploying conventional anti-ballistic missile defenses around their most important cities.

        3. “During the Cold War – deterrence worked and both sides played by the same rulebook.”

        Yeah, except they didn’t. See the last phrase in bullet 2.

      8. @joe tentpeg

        Nevertheless, the USSR bankrupted itself trying to create their own…

        Mostly a myth, spread not least with the effort of Gorbachev himself who needed to justify why he is such a loser and incompetent coward.

      9. Why do we say “defense spending” when we mean “military spending”? America has no military to defend against.

      10. @joe tentpeg

        Joe,

        The Katyin massacre was in ‎April–May 1940 during the Ribbentrop-Molotov pact’s Hitler-Stalin invasion and partition of Poland and before the Cold War.

        Anyway this is not much of a review and quite brief for a Saker piece. He writes mostly about his own experiences in US military colleges and very little about the book. I’m still left wondering what is this “real revolution in military affairs” Martyanov writes about, other than presumably the new advanced weapons Russia is showcasing, which Saker alludes to.

        Look I don’t know what “acting responsibly” can mean for these superpowers as they need each other as rivals. They need to have some war somewhere every now and again, but not directly against each other, to test their weapons and keep their military forces alert and up to speed. Sad but that’s how it is. Even winning isn’t so important as not letting your military go rusty. Still there’s of course other reasons for all these wars but you can’t be good at something unless you do it. No one can say Syria isn’t useful as a testing ground for Russian weapons.

        • Replies: @RadicalCenter
      11. @Laserboy23

        So what are the current odds of open conflict vs China?Iran?Russia? How delusional are the war planners at the pentagon?

        Realistically probability of such a conflict in each separate case, there is a possibility to calculate it for all three combined, will be a product of a number of probabilities of events leading to a conflict: Pk=P1*P2*P3*…*Pn. This is in a nutshell–actual numbers and assessments are done by military-intelligence institutions and constitute state secret. What could be stated with a degree of accuracy is that the probability of a conflict between US and Iran is higher than that between US and China. It is even lower for Russia vs. US but not entirely impossible. War planners in Pentagon are less delusional than war “planners” in Congress and think-tanks. US political “elites” are generally appallingly incompetent in matters of war and are “educated” mostly through Hollywood and Clansiesque “literature”. I am not even sure that they comprehend what Congressional Research Service prepares for them as compressed briefings. Neocon wing of US political elite is simply mentally inadequate.

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      12. Mulegino1 says:

        US political “elites” are generally appallingly incompetent in matters of war and are “educated” mostly through Hollywood and Clansiesque “literature”. I am not even sure that they comprehend what Congressional Research Service prepares for them as compressed briefings. Neocon wing of US political elite is simply mentally inadequate.

        Very true, especially the part about “Hollywood and Clansiesque ‘literature.’” I used to read Clancy’s books and, while entertaining, in retrospect they appear ridiculous, even childish. But they probably capture the popular notion of American military invincibility better than any other.

        Most of Hollywood’s output is garbage anyway, and its grasp of real war and military matters appears to be that of a not so precocious third grader.

      13. Anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:
        @dearieme

        how much smarter and better educated than Americans Russians are

        I know; just compare Putin to Trump or Hillary and you can see the folly of the claim.

        Trump’s an Ivy League-educated billionaire who made his fortune in Manhattan. As side gigs he had a NYT bestseller and a #1-rated primetime TV show.

        When people make remarks about Trump being anything other than a genius I’m always curious what Ivy League school they went to, their net worth, and the title of their bestseller and primetime show.

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      14. Armanen says:

        Making money is not the best measure of intellect.

        Now let’s discuss how Trump hasn’t kept any of his campaign promises and in fact turned MAGA into MIGA (make israel great again).

        • Replies: @Arioch
      15. Patricus says:
        @dearieme

        Russians are certainly brilliant. Their per capita GDP is about the same as Mexico or Turkey.

      16. bluedog says:
        @Anonymous

        Hmm anyone can increase their net worth by filing bankruptcy six times,increasing their net worth by screwing others even his own workers,small business’s that did work for him in Trump Towers putting many of those into bankruptcy.You call it being a genius, me I call it being a thief a conman and a liar,but then others have some values others have none at all,I’ll go with the former.!!!

        • Agree: The Scalpel
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      17. @Commentator Mike

        You’re right. The Saker should put out a revised, expanded piece that actually mentions some details from the book and meaningfully reviews it.

        • Agree: Commentator Mike
      18. @Anonymous

        It seems likely that Trump, Putin, and Shrillery are all quite intelligent. But the question remains, are Russians or Americans on average better educated?

        • Replies: @refl
      19. Passer by says:
        @Patricus

        Russians are certainly brilliant. Their per capita GDP is about the same as Mexico or Turkey.

        They don’t have this, though.

      20. Arioch says:

        > Martyanov begins his book by debunking the so-called “Thucydides Trap” which

        ….which Saker then dutifully reinforces.

        > In the modern political culture the knee jerk response to any such “crime-think” is a typical combination of accusation of “anti-Americanism” or “lack of patriotism” or some other ad hominem which skillfully avoids any discussion of the actual reality

        It is not really “modern”, so to say, “They have existed for decades”.

        Would one read “Gone With The Wind”, the very opening chapters, he would see exacty this attitudes of false bravery from noble Confederates towards their “black sheep in the family” Reth Buttler. And then they went to war to get their quick and easy glory.

        > speaking the truth about modern warfare or about the dismal state of the US armed forces is an instant “career killer” in the modern US political context. Anyone who breaks this taboo is instantly destroying his or her prospect of being heard, never-mind listened to.

        Which moves the “debunked” Thucydides Trap into action.

        > the *willful* ignorance shown by a lot of US academics, politicians and other

        …the kind that you will not guide people from by “showing them the light”.
        Only by showing them… death sentence? Maybe even that is not enough.

        > gives the western politicians and public a completely erroneous feeling of confidence, power and security.

        So, what else would one need to go destroy abnoxious contender before that plebey destroyed noble US ?
        Notice, is so “go destroy” not actually destroy.

        > I also know for a fact that most think tanks will write anything, no matter how false, just to secure more funding

        IOW, they write about “confidence, power and security” of cutting presumptuous wannabe rivals to size.

        > Furthermore, in most west European countries, what US think tanks write is considered as gospel, including by folks in important positions in the intelligence and military establishments.

        So, cannon fodder to be is still silent like lambs.
        Well, they maybe will slyly avoid going into bloody bane and will this tame manage to give Americans free pass to the frontline. Or maybe not. But that would be a minor detail of how exactly WW3 will proceed. After it already started, fulfilling the “debunked” Thucydides Trap

        You know the theory of thousand small deeds? That is how it will be done.

        Thousands of “academics, politicians and other” will “do what they were ordered” aimint to prevent “instantly destroying his or her prospect” and perfectly understanding that their more responsible bosses and their many numerous peers can (and thus they must, someone of them )finally pull the emergency brake (that “instant their career killer”), and so they better look from behind and try to grab the opportunity their self-SCRAMming would provide for their one little carreer.

        And like with heroin addict, whose every next dose is not killing him, but makes it merely a tiny thin inch harder to quit, they all will make those tiny small steps one after another looking at each other and growing more and more histerical that those ignorant and egositical peers are not volunteering to throw themselves under the approaching WW3 bus.

        Wearing poker faces and pretending good hand they will more and more anticipate someone else finally to give in, and give them both the opportunity to be first kick that looser and a great relief. All the while becoming more and more paranoid about someone else finding them “unamerican” and “unpatriotic” and damaging their career. So doing next after next “small good deed” with more and more histerical zeal.

        And that is how Thucydides Trap gets summoned into this world and grows its flesh.

      21. Anonymous[215] • Disclaimer says:
        @bluedog

        Hmm anyone can increase their net worth by filing bankruptcy

        Trump is a builder who is credited with remaking the NYC skyline. Trump builds and provides tangible things unlike a lot of other billionaires who made their fortune shifting money— Bloomberg, Soros, Cohen, Buffett, Steyer, [insert hedge fund billionaire].

        Other notables who’ve filed for bankruptcy: Henry Ford, Milton Hershey, Walt Disney, H.J. Heinz.

        Yeah, seems like being a money-shifter is the way to go. Just create financial instruments to siphon off money from people and businesses. No production, inventory, sales, marketing, workers, cumbersome OSHA regulations, … to worry about.

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      22. Arioch says:
        @joe tentpeg

        > USSR…Katyn forrest massacre (Poland), Afghanistan.

        Katyn, whoever did it, was much before Cold War and before even first relatively small nuclear blast.

        And if you want to go that far – why not remember crisis over West Berlin, where tank armees were watching one another, but no one pulled trigger?

        Afghanistan was attacking one’s own ally. Same as Prague 1968 and Hungary 1956.
        If you want to compare – that is like USA invading Panama to remove their no longer reliable puppet Norriega.
        Did American attack on their own Panama risk USSR going ballistic? Hardly so.

        There was no Soviet invasion into Pakistan nor there was Chinese/American invasion into India.

        And looking away from purely military events, there was no attempt to arrest the whole embassy stuff them, neither in Moscow nor in DC. No killing Soviet ambassadors in NATO states during official events.

        Those dirty games had red lines, both sides maintained. Today? Today USA even is no more an entity. You can not negotiate a thing with “America” because there is no such institution any more, but a hellish swarm of infighting spiders, each delightfully breaking anything negotiated by a rival spider.

        > deploying conventional anti-ballistic missile defenses around their most important cities.

        No, by then effective treaty both USSR and USA had only ONE region they were allowed to protect.
        Those were some nuclear launchpads in USA i guess, and one single city (Moscow) in USSR. No more.

        > deterrence [did not] worked
        > See the last phrase in bullet 2.

        You suppose USSR killed itself trying to keep deterrence working.
        That does not show it did not work, already.
        That shows it worked so well (at least from Soviet perspective) that they gambled all they had on the futile effort of keeping that deterrence working into the future.

      23. Arioch says:
        @Armanen

        May Israel Govern Again

        In Goyim they have trust

      24. The Scalpel says: • Website
        @Frederick V. Reed

        I think they should call it welfare – for the rich and the not rich

      25. @Patricus

        Russians are certainly brilliant. Their per capita GDP is about the same as Mexico or Turkey.

        The Saker’s review is literally about the book I wrote about what a load of perfidious dung modern Western economism and geopolitics are. I’ll open you a small secret: US “economy” is not 22 Trillion, nor is it even 18 Trillion, it is much-much smaller. In the same time your comparisons in terms of GDP per capita are also incorrect, because NASA still catches the rides to ISS on Russian, not Mexican, rockets, Moscow just won global Travel “Oscar” by being called the most desirable and safest tourist destination in the world, beating even St. Petersburg, not Mexico-city, and I can dwell on stupidity of all those models for a long time, but if you take away still viable American aerospace, automotive and pharmaceutical industries among very few others, you will find a wasteland of financial speculations and selling the snake oil. Don’t trust me, you may write to Carlson Tucker, he will tell you the same. And yes, average Russians live much much better than average Mexicans, and have access to social and other services for free, most of them good quality. Did I mention that Moscow’s metro has a free wi-fi? ;))

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      26. benion101 says:

        Where the allegiances of both the Saker and Martyanov lie is well known. They simply inflate the power of their beloved Russia to scare us away. Well known tactics. If utterly corrupt, despotic, oligarchical Russia is so much better and more powerful than USA the question is why don’t they just move back to their paradise. We all know that even today if we opened our borders to the Russians they would empty their country in no time just as their mothers-to-be still pay thousands of dollars to be able to come to the US to give birth to their children.

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      27. Anonymous[607] • Disclaimer says:
        @benion101

        Saker and Martyanov are desperately trying to wake you morons from your narcissistic coma.
        Wanna stay asleep?
        Fine.
        Then reality will wake you up.

      28. Arioch says:
        @benion101

        Where the allegiances of both the Saker and Martyanov lie is well known. They simply inflate the power of their beloved Russia to scare us away.

        In the modern political culture the knee jerk response to any such “crime-think” is a typical combination of accusation of “anti-Americanism” or “lack of patriotism” or some other ad hominem which skillfully avoids any discussion of the actual reality of the topic being discussed.

        “Let’s don’t be too hot headed and let’s don’t have any war. Most of the misery of the world has been caused by wars. And when the wars were over, no one ever knew what they were all about.”

        Scarlett sniffed. Lucky for Ashley that he had an unassailable reputation for courage, or else there’d be trouble. As she thought this, the clamor of dissenting voices rose up about Ashley, indignant, fiery.

        It is soothing Americans to always be Americans, why.

        “Has any one of you gentlemen ever thought that there’s not a cannon factory south of the Mason–Dixon Line? Or how few iron foundries there are in the South? Or woolen mills or cotton factories or tanneries? Have you thought that we would not have a single warship and that the Yankee fleet could bottle up our harbors in a week, so that we could not sell our cotton abroad? But — of course — you gentlemen have thought of these things.”

        …..

        Then an ominous murmuring arose in the crowd and from under the arbor came a humming as unmistakable as that of a hive of newly disturbed bees. … But, even if it were true, he was no gentleman to make such a statement.

        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

        If utterly corrupt, despotic, oligarchical Russia is so much better and more powerful than USA

        “Of course we’ll fight —” “Yankee thieves —” “We could lick them in a month —” “Why, one Southerner can lick twenty Yankees —” “Teach them a lesson they won’t soon forget —”

      29. bluedog says:
        @Anonymous

        Lol but none of those you mentioned filed bankruptcy SIX times,and none of those had to run to a foreign country in order to be funded,it still stands that he’s a thief a conman and a liar,some thing he’s done all his life.!!!

      30. @Patricus

        Do Mexico and turkey produce military equipment and maintain militaries of russia scale and quality?
        Does germany produce nuclear subs, missiles, military and civil planes, ships?
        It means your GDP example is basically useless.

        • Replies: @Patricus
      31. @Andrei Martyanov

        but if you take away still viable American aerospace, automotive and pharmaceutical industries among very few others, you will find a wasteland of financial speculations and selling the snake oil

        Lovely takes, Andrei. The people that need to read you see your name and immediately retort, “Agent for Putin”, Washington Post-style. Gets them off the hook from thinking because after all, college deliberately taught them NOT to think. Most of the kids, they’re hopeless. They’re hopeless idiots, they know nothing of the Constitution, they think all is normal. And they were fleeced by the academics that dumbed them down. Meanwhile, we have in effect, been selling each other hamburgers (services) for the past 50 years. Also, they’ve been selling the oil and gas right out from under our feet overseas and putting THAT in their pockets even as we pay a world price for gasoline and finished product. Every other country that produces crude gets a discount. Not us. To steal a quote from a movie I watched once, they struck oil under our garden and all we get is dead tomatoes. Our society is hollowed out, depraved, the women becoming more and more hideous, all the institutions that held us together, deliberately broken. decay everywhere.

        As for the military? A reflection of our society. When I went into the Navy in 1975, it was Stars and Stripes and we served in large part for Mom, Apple Pie and Chevrolet.

        Today it is clear that the Stars and Stripes should be dollar signs over a defense contractor logo. The rest? From where I sit today, for most kids, Mom is a divorced slut, Apple Pie is a turd in a wax paper wrapper and Chevrolet is a bent shit can from China. This isn’t a society I’d defend as a nation worth defending. The feminists sit on their fat, comfortable asses, made such on the labors of us White guys and they declare their hatred. Only a moron or a kid that needs a shot at a job or trade or gets a kick out of airplanes or such joins. Our women in general aren’t worth defending on the streets or the world. Not in the Blue cities, they are hideous. Take care of your own wman and kids and community and hell with the rest. There’s no draft, the society mostly hates Vets, so it isn’t for country most serve. It’s to grab something, from a trade, to a pilot’s license. A military based on that has no staying power. And our corruptions and waste and outright theft in military procurement for shitty weapons makes us ripe for the taking. And our talent is wasted building shitty weapons and the second level builds shitty airliners. Can’t fly into space? We cannot fly, literally, to anywhere in the newest build out, the Maxx. And we’re depending on the Theranos of Aerospace, Spacex/Musk to get us to space? Right! Except for the nukes, we’re ripe, man.

        Andrei, speaking of Musk, how the Hell does he smoke big fat doobies and keep his security clearance when everyone else in Washington gets fired for getting near the stuff? Queer privilege? I’m convinced the whole thing with Musk is a shell game. You?

        Thanks for your work. Very good stuff, but we can’t get those who need it to even look. Our people are incapable of marching in the streets or even seeing why they should. Kudos to those who did it to us. They did a fine job.

      32. @Frederick V. Reed

        It has a dangerous set of nukes. The tripwires are and have always been easy-sinkers like our surface ships. The psychos that run our policy have subs and silos with missiles with lots of nukes.

        It’s a dangerous game to consider a dopey thought like that Fred. Bet your ass Russia sees plenty of military here to defend against. Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, to them it was impossible, we killed millions. There’s enough military here that Israel wants and has harnessed it. In what universe do you reside Fred? Ah yes, the moon name of Tequila. Fred? Go drink something. Jesus.

      33. Patricus says:
        @Sergey Krieger

        Granted Russia produces much military equipment, and some is very good. They also produce oil and natural gas. Anything else? I don’t recall ever seeing a made in Russia product.

        We know from the past Germany is perfectly capable of producing military goods. They also produce many useful products sold everywhere.

        GDP may not explain everything but it is pretty good for comparing different nations. Germany is richer than Poland, or Russia and most places on earth.

      34. Arioch says:
        @Jim Christian

        There once was an advice to timeline Musk projects and NASA layoffs

      35. Passer by says:
        @Patricus

        Russia is one of the few zero debt economies in the world, while the US and EU are crippled by debt. It also has substantial FX and Gold reserves, a trade surplus, and managed to dedolarise its economy, which is not a small feat. IMF estimates that Russia will be growing faster than the US and the EU. This is under “sanctions”. In other words, even under sanctions Russia will be becoming stronger than the US or the EU. In other word’s, as Wall Street recently admitted, it has bulletproof economy.

        As for what Russia produces, other than its world class military equipment, there are some key things, for example cars, trucks, railway equipment, agriculture equipment, civilian aircraft, civilian ships (including nuclear propelled ships), it has a world class space program, it captured the world’s nuclear power plant market, it leads in icebreaker construction, and it is one of the largest food exporters. In addition to the various natural resources it also has the world’s second largest fresh water reserves.

        As for GDP, in PPP terms it has the same GDP as Germany, lower debt levels, and it is growing faster than it.

        As for weaknesses in the russian economy, i would say consumer goods.

      36. @Patricus

        Nuclear stations? Planes? I agree only that Russia must produce own stuff for own use. But we are talking about national power. You won’t fight or intimidate your foes with fine shoes or other consumer goods… nuclear subs, superior missiles technologies and other military gear on the other hand and soft part , ability and capability to deploy military in the most efficient way to win , which nobody but Russia thanks to Soviet past posses.
        USA has spent itself into oblivion on military that does not work and what does she have to show for it?

      37. @Patricus

        Regarding Germany. It was castrated. GermN military cannot be what it used to be because it used to be good thanks to eastern prussia core which is gone. It does not exist anymore. Also, how germany can produce says planes and nuclear subs when it has not been producing any for a long time. School is not there.
        Missiles? Anything compared to russia. Also, germany is dependent on others for its energy.
        It is wealthy state but that’s all to be said.
        Russia problem is not wealth but its distribution.
        But we discuss state power. Germany is not among major players in this regard.

        • Replies: @Bookish1
      38. From page 12 of Martyanov’s RRMA, “…people such as Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, none of whom had spent a day serving in cadre officer uniform…”

        Rumsfeld was in fact a Naval Aviator who flew ASW aircraft for a number of years and retired from the Navy Reserve as a full Captain.

      39. @JoaoAlfaiate

        That does not challenge the whole trend.
        People who know shit about real military make decisions to use military. Track record outcomes of decisions made by this sort of people is there for all to see.
        So, Andrei is right.
        I also would add that most of these people happen to be morons. You know, doing same thing time after time and expecting different outcomes.

      40. kafka says:
        @Patricus

        GDP comparisons are a joke.

        First problem is that in order to be comparable they are converted into the same currency, typically dollars. That’s a problem because things don’t cost the same in different countries. If you want to measure strength of economy you need to measure the purchasing power based on where the money is spend and not based on the costs of goods and services in the US (which you inadvertently do when you convert GDP’s in US dollar values).

        Second problem is that GDP does not measure the ‘size’ of the economy. It measures how much money is being pumped around within an economy and how often it is being pumped around and then the assumption is made that this represents the size of the economy. It’s very easy to artificially increase this pumping around to inflate the apparent size of an ‘economy’. Companies do this routinely before IPO’s for example. The perversions we now have masquerading as stock markets are another. But mostly it is done by creating debt. When you get a loan, you get money that mostly did not exist prior to you getting it. It’s not backed by anything but the expectation of profits (in the sense that you’re expected to manage to leverage the money into creating at least enough real economic value to back not just the issue of your loan but also the interest, representing costs for the providers, and provide your share of the compensation for those loan receivers who fail in this task, ie provide backing for the previously non-existing money they received).

        So in order to get a genuine measure of the economic power of an economy you need to rate their GDP in terms of local purchasing power which puts Russia equal to Germany. But you also need to account for the amount of debt in an economy as the money issued as debt for the most part does not represent actual existing economic value but at best expected economic value and at worst will not be recouped at all in which case you need to detract it from the GDP numbers.

        That gets far too complicated for most people who just want simple, reassuring numbers, like comparing economies on GDP numbers based on dollar values. Dream on.

        Here are some facts on the Russian economy:
        – in 2018 approx. 82% of GDP was spend domestically and only about 18% exported (see why purchasing power matters?)
        – of that 18% exports about a third represented raw materials, so 6% of GDP
        – oil and natural gas represented between 35% and 40% percent of raw material exports, which means between 2% and 2,5% of GDP consisted of oil and gas exports.

        – in 2018 Russia achieved a rare economical feat, a triple surplus. The total government debt (which was only a few percent of GDP) was less than the surpluses on the government bank accounts meaning there was no net debt. Instead there was a modest net surplus. The second surplus was the annual government budget. In 2018 Russian government spending was less than the government revenues that year. And thirdly, they had a trade surplus, exporting more than they imported.

        In case you failed to notice, they exported more than they imported even though only 18% of GDP consists of exports. Given the other two surpluses they could import a lot more than that if they wanted to or if they needed to.

        They don’t because they don’t need to. Russia does not depend on the rest of the world to keep its economy going. It is about as autarkic as it is nowadays possible to be.

      41. There’s one additional revolutionary factor:

        https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2019/12/05/612858/international-criminal-court-investigation-US-war-crimes-Afghanistan?jwsource=cl

        The threat to US official impunity panics the regime more than any number of Russian Sarmats or nuclear ramjets. The ICC is one very new judicial forum, and its halting efforts to get its institutional footing panicked the US into imposing illegal sanctions on accredited diplomats. The real threat of the Rome Statute is the universal obligation to prosecute or extradite war criminals and enemies of humanity. An increasing number of the most influential US functionaries will be unable to travel freely. This is, in effect, pariah-state status more abject than North Korea’s. This has been a mounting challenge for years – GW Bush fled Switzerland, scared off by a war crimes accusation from a single legislator.

        And international criminal law is one jaw of a pincer. It complements the doctrine of state responsibility for internationally wrongful acts. State responsibility provides the civil equivalent of international criminal law, with the potential to impose restitution, reparation, satisfaction, and compensation with interest. Satisfaction articulates directly with international criminal law by providing for prosecution of designated criminals. The US faces insupportable liabilities for its internationally wrongful acts, and US functionaries know that any one of them could be sacrificed to get the regime off the hook.

        Russian policy is to enforce this law at gunpoint. Iranian policy is to make its case in independent international courts. China is vocal about upholding rule of law, and as its deterrent improves, it will be increasingly active in applying it. The G-192 – 96% of the world’s population – pitches in by withholding the “waterfall” of G-5 privileges. The UK recently got pushed off the ICJ bench for the first time ever for its lawless conduct. The US is next.

        The US is an underdeveloped country ineffectually waving second-rate weapons. The world is leaving it behind.

      42. @Sergey Krieger

        You won’t fight or intimidate your foes with fine shoes or other consumer goods…

        Sergei, just to illustrate–last year, back from Russia, brought three pairs of shoes, made in Russia, I am not talking about piles of 100% cotton normal thickness and thin socks. One of the cultural shocks of many Westerners when they get to Russia–is how nice average Russians are dressed with most of it made in Russia. Of course, many of them have no idea that Russia produces a shitload of world-class home appliances from refrigerators to washing machines and, actually, exports them to EU. Of course, some discover that Russians even have a viable watch-making industry, some of it very high-end. But in general, visiting modern Russia can create some severe cognitive dissonances in people who drank Cool Aid of US media.

        • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
      43. @JoaoAlfaiate

        Rumsfeld was in fact a Naval Aviator who flew ASW aircraft for a number of years

        A Tracker, in 1950s for a couple of years, while having a degree in Political Science. That sure qualifies him for making strategic decisions, right? Especially in the 21st century. Well, we all saw results, didn’t we?

      44. @Jim Christian

        Jim, a lot of truth in what you say. But especially this:

        As for the military? A reflection of our society. When I went into the Navy in 1975, it was Stars and Stripes and we served in large part for Mom, Apple Pie and Chevrolet.

        Here is a quote from one of Russian undercover intelligence assets which was outed when Anna Chapman was outed. Unlike her, however, this guy was a real deal. Here is what he had to say recently about US:

        What is THEIR weakness? As enemies these guys are mediocrities, second rate. They overate. Their previous generation was stronger. They respected us, we respected them. We don’t respect these ones,they didn’t deserve it. They can bully, as for the real fight–we’ll see about that… They are enraged that soon they will have to live within their means.They forgot how to do so long time ago. That is why they want to solve a problem with us now, while others are still afraid of them.

        here is an original in Russian, just in case.

        https://vz.ru/opinions/2018/5/4/920955.html?utm_campaign=transit&utm_source=mirtesen&utm_medium=news&from=mirtesen

        I remember 70s and 80s clearly, being myself a Cold Warrior, these were different times. many different people. Today, as you say, I see decay everywhere in everything, the country (the US) was literally robbed, people blinded and all for a reasons of bottom line in “business” and for Israel’s, Saudi and corporate interests. The America I encountered in 1990s is gone.

      45. @Patricus

        Deutsche Welle article from 2016 about widespread poverty among elderly Germans:
        https://www.dw.com/en/poverty-among-the-elderly-in-germany-skyrockets/a-19542060

        Reconsider the supposed wealth and good living of Germany today.

      46. EoinW says:
        @Anonymous

        As Gerald Celente would say: Trump was born on 3rd base and thinks he hit a triple.

        • Replies: @RadicalCenter
      47. EoinW says:
        @Andrei Martyanov

        If only Those Russians could play chess or compose classical music or write a few serious novels. Oh well, I guess you can’t expect everything from people with no GDP.

      48. EoinW says:
        @benion101

        For sure Maria Butina is going to come rushing back to the USA the moment she discovers she on the nest.

      49. @Andrei Martyanov

        Most folks would say, “Sorry I missed it. Thanks for the correction. And thanks for buying and reading my book”.

        Oh well, you still have time to grow up.

        • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
      50. Patricus says:
        @kafka

        Looking up PPP-GDPs on the internet Germany is considerably ahead of Russia, by about 40%. Greece and Russia are about equal on a per capita basis.

        Hoping to see great advances by Russia in the future. It surprises me how they lag, given an educated population and vast natural resources. The country is self-sufficient. I don’t understand.

        All these economic statistics are suspect, including PPP. These are crude estimates. Ireland always appears near the top of the list but that is largely because of her tax haven status.

      51. @JoaoAlfaiate

        Most folks would say, “Sorry I missed it. Thanks for the correction. And thanks for buying and reading my book”.

        Do you have an idea on the abyss which separates ROTC product and cadre officer who went through service academy in the US?

      52. kafka says:
        @Patricus

        “Looking up PPP-GDPs on the internet Germany is considerably ahead of Russia, by about 40%. Greece and Russia are about equal on a per capita basis.”

        Nonsense. Get better at looking things up.

      53. @Andrei Martyanov

        A Tracker, in 1950s for a couple of years, while having a degree in Political Science.

        Rummy flew a Stoof? Git the farg outta here? I thought he only had balls with OTHER people’s lives..

      54. @EoinW

        If only Those Russians could play chess or compose classical music or write a few serious novels.

        I know, such a third world shithole;))

      55. kafka says:
        @Patricus

        meant to include this in my previous reply

        2018 GDP (without PPP)

        Germany 4,029,140
        Russia 1,576,488
        Greece 218,057

        (you really should stop listening to propaganda, you’re making ridiculous claims).

        PPP factor for russia compared to Germany usually lies between 2.5 and 3.0 (Depends on how you measure PPP and who does the measuring).

        1,576,488 x 2,5 = 3,941,220
        1,576,488 x 3,0 = 4,729,464

        Take your pick.

      56. @kafka

        The perversions we now have masquerading as stock markets are another.

        It gets better. For just TWO examples, GE. They spent their entire operating fund, 40 or 50 billion on stock buybacks,, jacking the price, I suppose they muckety-mucks raked in the gains. A few months later, pleading poverty, they broke several leases for the new headquarters on the Boston Seaport and pared down the scope of the project, THIS after Boston forgave lots of back taxes and new tax incentives for bringing the HQ here. In the process also, they have started shutting down engine plants and labs in the region that were here for decades.

        Then there was GM. Endowed with an operating find of some 60 or 80 billion, they spent most of THAT on stock buybacks and promptly closed engine and manufacturing all over Detroit and that region. Don’t think they much cared about MAGA, but they sure loved the stock gains.

        One final perversion, isn’t the Federal Reserve doing a little stock buying themselves, most recently buying in to the tune of 97 billion?

        • Replies: @kafka
      57. @Andrei Martyanov

        Andrei, I do not know about russia now, but in soviet times soviet consumer goods imho were lagging mostly due to outside design. My grandparents refrigerators were working without any issues one for 30 + years and newer one for 20. Our refrigerator had no problems. TV set we bought in 1983 was fine and sold with apartment 13 years later. I noticed that my buddy audio system made in USSR had better sound then our national Panasonic and Sunny vox. Russia simply obviously continues. And shoes. I have to take most of modern made chinese shoes every few months. 8 years I was walking in our shoes without taking it to shoe repair.
        Obviously availability issue is gone now.

      58. @EoinW

        I am not a public person like Andrei, hence can be frank. Yours is very stupid and ignorant comment. It just shows who you are.

        • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
        , @EoinW
      59. @Sergey Krieger

        Yours is very stupid and ignorant comment.

        Sergei, that was a joke;)

        • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
      60. Passer by says:
        @Patricus

        It surprises me how they lag, given an educated population and vast natural resources.

        The country is under economic and hybrid warfare by the combined West, and it still manages to grow faster than the West. but if you look at russian growth rates before the sanctions, the country was growing and catching up pretty well. So part of that is sanctions related. Still under current conditions, Russia aims to get its infrastructure at German level.

        Russia’s $175bn Infrastructure Building Program Gets Underway
        Adjusted for purchasing power parity that amounts closer to $500bn in infrastructure

        https://www.checkpointasia.net/russias-175bn-infrastructure-building-program-gets-underway/

        It does not have the debt problems the West has. Actually the GDP of many western countries is exagarated due to the large debts they have, and if they had balaned budgets they would be poorer. The current higher standard of living in many Western countries is payed by future growth – that is – growth in the future will be lower and there will be benefits and pension cuts.

        For example, if you are an american before age 40, you won’t get your promised pension, because the US is crippled by debt and unfunded obligations.

      61. kafka says:
        @Jim Christian

        I’m sure you’re right about those, what you (and others reading this) should be aware of is that they are not ‘incidents’, as in the occasional mishap where someone abuses the system. The US stock markets in particular are set up to work that way. They are meant to fleece the unwary investors and divert money into the pockets of a very small financial and corporate elite. Stock markets have become tools of transferring capital from those with small savings to those with enormous wealth. Besides direct loss of value, all those little percentages people loose or have to pay in charges (which can be pretty high btw) etc add up and guess where most of it ends up.

        Numbers are being inflated and go up all the time to lure more and more “small” capital into the stock market where it can skimmed before it’ll ll go up in flames. Because that will happen. It’s not going to last. I’m not sure if it’ll be the next economic crisis already, they may manage to postpone it as they did in 2008, but within the next 20 years it will crash and burn, boy oh boy, will it burn. America’s fall will be spectacular.

      62. @Andrei Martyanov

        They all seemed like assholes to me but then I was only a Sergeant. The most dangerous thing in the world back then was a 2nd Lieutenant with a map…The current crop of Company Grade officers don’t seem to be doing that much better; well, at least they have GPS.

        • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
      63. EoinW says:
        @Sergey Krieger

        I appreciate your frankness.

        Unfortunately sarcasm doesn’t work well online without smiley faces. I could say I don’t like to insult my public( what public?) by dishing everything out, like a spoonful of pablum. Truth be known…I’m a smiley face snob. Oh the hubris!

        • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
      64. EoinW says:

        The sad thing is that the only war left in which the US believes it can win – and it has to be a cakewalk because Americans, and Jews, have no stomach for casualties – is against Iran. Am I correct in assuming this will kill the Global Economy? Hopefully bankrupt the USA and its empire. Am I also correct in assuming Iran will win this war because they can inflict enough damage to kill support for the war in the West? As a bonus, end Israel and the House of Saud.

        Perhaps I’m just guilty of wishful thinking. Even the best case scenario seems to lean towards a nuclear temper tantrum. 80 million dead Iranians. What a terrible sacrifice, even if it prevented WW3 and the end of humanity.

        • Replies: @peterAUS
      65. @JoaoAlfaiate

        They all seemed like assholes to me but then I was only a Sergeant. The most dangerous thing in the world back then was a 2nd Lieutenant with a map…The current crop of Company Grade officers don’t seem to be doing that much better; well, at least they have GPS.

        I hear you. But there issue here, even with the allowance for late 1950s, that professional academically well brought up officers who went through service academies had the theoretical foundation which becomes crucial down the road in pursuit of military or military-political career. As per modern GPS-dependent second lieutenants, I was myself shocked, granted I knew there were some problems, when I read this:

        https://americanmilitarynews.com/2017/10/exclusive-former-west-point-professors-letter-exposes-corruption-cheating-and-failing-standards-full-letter/

        I knew it was on downward spiral but to be THAT bad–I was shocked.

      66. Begemot says:
        @Andrei Martyanov

        Do you have an idea on the abyss which separates ROTC product and cadre officer who went through service academy in the US?

        I do. The abyss is not there. I did not observe any superiority in technical skills between ROTC or West Point officers in my area of specialization, which was infantry. However, West Point seemed to produce only two kinds of officers though, those who were very good as leaders (the minority) and those who were total arrogant bastards. West Point grads dominate the Army less because they are better than they are are an insider fraternity that looks out for itself.

        • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
      67. @EoinW

        Sorry for misunderstanding. There is so much really stupid and ignorant posts that it becomes hard to distinguish.

      68. peterAUS says:

        Well, although I do disagree with most of Martyanov’s writing, and even more with Saker’s, this

        Key thesis: western leaders, especially US decision makers, are out of touch with reality

        is spot on.

        As for

        ….to wake up those Americans who still care and who still have the minimum of critical intelligence left ..

        and

        …to wake up the comatose US public about the reality of modern warfare and to show that a continuation of the flagwaving delusional imperial hubris which is so pervasive in the US political discourse could lead to an absolute disaster: a full-scale war between Russia and the US, China and the US or, even worse, Russia and China against the US. …

        Good luck there.

        I do think that we’ll get on the brink of M.A.D.

        What happens next….no idea.
        Gut feeling: The Big Reset. The next fight between humans with sticks and stones. Etc….

      69. peterAUS says:
        @EoinW

        Perhaps I’m just guilty of wishful thinking.

        I guess you are.

        Even the best case scenario seems to lean towards a nuclear temper tantrum.

        Probably. Tactical nukes on several carefully selected targets.

        80 million dead Iranians.

        Not really. Half a million; even less. Best-case scenario, I mean.

        • Replies: @Jim Christian
      70. @Begemot

        I do. The abyss is not there. I did not observe any superiority in technical skills between ROTC or West Point officers in my area of specialization, which was infantry. However, West Point seemed to produce only two kinds of officers though, those who were very good as leaders (the minority) and those who were total arrogant bastards.

        The higher one goes in terms of command, the more it changes. Once you hit the tactical level which requires a separate staff (battalion, regiment, brigade) things change dramatically in terms of Command and Control, especially in modern warfare. The analytical framework changes also. As changes planning. In the Navy, it is altogether different and even more complex.

        • Replies: @Begemot
      71. @Andrei Martyanov

        here is an original in Russian, just in case.
        https://vz.ru/opinions/2018/5/4/920955.html?utm_campaign=transit&utm_source=mirtesen&utm_medium=news&from=mirtesen

        Jesus, Andrei, I feel like Santa just took his present back after I got half the wrapper off. I don’t suppose this is translated in full somewhere, is it? I remember when we’d see trawlers, or one of their low-slung ships of whatever type alongside (they reminded me of a Corvette to a dump truck comparing Nimitz), we’d all mosey on over to that side (they were always on the port side for their sightseeing), in a long line, we’d give em the bird and an actual salute. I know the pilots of the Tomcats and the Bears that passed us by on overflights were friendly, respectful with one another. I was an A6 guy, occasionally one of our guys would come back with a tale of being joined on by this or that MIG, I guess out of Yugo. This would have been 77, 78 maybe.

        Also, ya have to figure our guys here in the States know this attitude of theirs, but Hell, our Generals know what’s been made of the military, the crews. Does that concern our intel, our military? Have the Russians committed the creation of divisions in their own midst by the integration of gay men, lezzies and/or copied the U. S. Navy’s Tranny-At-Sea program?

        Bet you can still get a smoke on a Russian frigate. If Elon Musk can smoke pot and send rockets to space, surely a sailor can catch a cigarette at sea in Putin’s Navy, except I doubt he smokes other than a cigar. Interesting stuff, Andrei. Thanks a million, really. I always figured the two countries would get along someday if we didn’t, between the two fuck up with a missile, a cascade of mistakes, maybe, but there’s just too much money in it for MIC..

        • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
        , @FB
      72. Begemot says:
        @Andrei Martyanov

        The higher one goes in terms of command, the more it changes. Once you hit the tactical level which requires a separate staff (battalion, regiment, brigade) things change dramatically in terms of Command and Control, especially in modern warfare. The analytical framework changes also.

        Having a West Point experience doesn’t make any difference at these higher levels. The skills for these higher postings come from advanced service schools and experience. Of course, selection to these advanced schools is based on performance and demonstrated aptitude. This is where a bias in favor of Academy grads may play a factor, but impressing one’s bosses is more decisive. Even at the company grade, the branch/technical training comes from the Basic Officer course for the branch the officer is assigned to. This schooling is common for all officers, West Point and ROTC.

        • Agree: Jim Christian
        • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
      73. @Sergey Krieger

        My bad.

        Sergey Bombed! Ha! Good for you, Sergey!

        • Replies: @Sergey Krieger
      74. @Andrei Martyanov

        there is a possibility to calculate it for all three combined, will be a product of a number of probabilities of events leading to a conflict: Pk=P1*P2*P3*…*Pn.

        This is only the case when the probabilities are independent, which these probabilities most certainly are not.

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      75. This is where a bias in favor of Academy grads may play a factor, but impressing one’s bosses is more decisive.

        The academy bias certainly extended to Naval Aviation late-70s, if not to this day. All the Tomcat pilots we had aboard (and around half of our A6 pilots) were Naval Academy grads, supposedly a must, even the pilots of the one or two Marine corps squadrons that crossed our path (including the one that killed a bunch of guys one night in 1981, speaking of qualitative irrelevance) were Canoe U. grads.

      76. @peterAUS

        80 million dead Iranians.
        Not really. Half a million; even less. Best-case scenario, I mean.

        Not sure, Pete. I used to know guys down in DC, they wanted Iran to get cleaned up by the US before the plants were fueled, before everything was planted deep, before the centrifuges started spinning plutonium. We did the supposed StuxNet which slowed things for a bit. Iran was probably as vulnerable as Iraq, maybe. But we laid off for some reason and we had a LOT of air assets then.

        Today? Well, we handed them a billion.5 three years back, I’m sure they bolstered things and there is NO doubt they can mine the shit out of Hormuz, they can attack everyone perceived as an American ally, Saudi, Bahrain, Dubai would get the brunt. Imagine a few WTCs on buildings 2800 Feet tall. Iran could re-introduce chaos in Iraq enabling hit and runs on Israel, the Saudis and anywhere they wanted in Syria. Iran can cause lots of trouble short term.

        All that is one thing. But if we go screwing around, bombing their nuclear sites and actually dig them out, take a look at the map, we’ll poison most of Asia and the Chinese and Russians wouldn’t be happy. Andei is probably sick of MY questions, but one wonders if Russia and China, through professional, diplomatic channels informed the United States and Israel that should all this come to pass, they, Russia and China would be forced to consider a radioactive scenario an existential issue for them and look for those two to join against us. Not for nothing the Bahrain command just moved back to South America. And of course, USS Lincoln is in the Gulf, bait. We’ve been piling in troops for months, nice and quiet-like too. The attacks on the Saudis, the drone shoot down this year, operating forward bases in Iraq, these are all warnings to the U.S. and Israel. And Iran has missiles of sufficient heft and accuracy to hit everything toxic and industrial to immolate Israel, make it uninhabitable. Because this is existential for the mullahs, for Iran itself.

        The saber rattling, the buildups, the move of the command, lots of things point to ‘something’, but at root, the entire enterprise and the fallout from all of it (not just nuclear) is simply unthinkable. And frankly, unless there is some weapons system that is in play that we aren’t aware of here, as it stands with current assets, I don’t see we have the heft to get it done. I think we’re flat out of gas, planes, bombs, missiles and we’re woefully unprepared for a three-front war that would then be on the streets. They had to notice what two men and a rifle can do to a city with the DC snipers in 2001 . How about three teams in the top twenty towns in the US? Bet they’re already here, going about their business, lots of weapons, ready to go. They could bring it to US and with our immigration situation, there could be hundreds of them.

        Andrei Maryanov could hypothesize better than I as to whether Russia, China, Iran and the United States understand the tripwires and hazards. I just think they can hurt us worse than we, them, except with nuclear fallout. If I was Russia, China and really the rest of Asia, I’d have to consider that a nuclear attack on my country by the United States because the release would be huge. Surely, quietly, Russia and China have made it into a Mutually Assured Destruction issue, existential. Putin can only lay back so far and it certainly seems he’s girded his military’s forces against anything we bring to the table.

        Like Andrei has said, they used to respect us and now they have contempt. But I hope they still have lines, Military Men to Millitary men, professionals that don’t want this to happen. The Iran thing, an attack is something unthinkable to me. In the end also, Tehran is a LONG way to reach. All that destruction and in the end, Tehran stands.

        And then there’s the Israeli Mutual Defense Pact. Supposedly Israel could start it, the U.S. would have to finish it in Israel’s defense. They vote that in, everyone buckle your seat belts, but Israel better know, they’re dead in this, Iran is going to scorch the Earth. Israel oughtn’t feel too safe. And WE all know it isn’t necessary. God Damn it, wrote another book and 5000 questions. If this thread was billable, I’d have to send a briefcase full of case, heh..

        • Replies: @peterAUS
        , @anon
      77. @Jim Christian

        Did you like the attitude?
        The best thing Russians mostly do not have illusions about who they are dealing with. At the top too. 80s was nausetical. It was like the whole country relaxed turned suckers. Brought Donahue to Soviet TV to that dick Pozner show, to show we had shared humanity. That woman swam across bering straight. She is just like us.
        It was totally forgotten that USA was planning to nuclear bomb our cities when had monopoly on nukes. It was placing weapons of the first strike capability against USA. It basically stabbed former ally who was exhausted after the war in the back right after the need in Soviet services was over.
        There was interview with Shoigu. He said there something along these lines that if USA the west was behaving after the fall of the Soviet union as smart and sly as they did during 80s, russia would have been finished as independent state.
        This acknowledgement both show how stupid USA policy towards Russia was after 1991 and what shitty elites Russia has got. No wonder Stalin was warning that without him capitalists would have them deceived like little kittens.
        Unfortunately for USA and the west masks are off.
        And it was bad idea to kick and humiliate Russia when she was down.
        Now, the most important is for Russia to learn previous lessons and finish USA as a global power. USA is doing just fine in this regard. The most important not to become delusional again and finish off enemy for good as a threat.

      78. lysias says:
        @tygertgr

        But they are better educated, says this holder of several U.S. degrees and retired officer of the U.S. Navy.

      79. peterAUS says:
        @Jim Christian

        Not sure, Pete.

        Nobody is. Wars do have their own logic.
        The thing is, that option could be presented to the decision makers in the Washington D.C. They accept it. BANG..BANG….
        From there…well……………………………………….

        ….I’m sure they bolstered things and there is NO doubt they can mine the shit out of Hormuz, they can attack everyone perceived as an American ally, Saudi, Bahrain, Dubai would get the brunt. …

        Yes….

        Imagine a few WTCs on buildings 2800 Feet tall. Iran could re-introduce chaos in Iraq enabling hit and runs on Israel, the Saudis and anywhere they wanted in Syria. Iran can cause lots of trouble short term.

        Yes……

        ….if we go screwing around, bombing their nuclear sites and actually dig them out, take a look at the map, we’ll poison most of Asia and the Chinese and Russians wouldn’t be happy.

        Russia and China would be forced to consider a radioactive scenario an existential issue for them and look for those two to join against us.

        Let me ask you a question: have you ever calculated a fallout, short and long term, from a nuclear strike? I know that Martyanov has. I have too, ages ago, though, in the age of PDP-11 minis (or so I say…). Plenty of times.
        Do it right and then we can talk about that.

        And Iran has missiles of sufficient heft and accuracy to hit everything toxic and industrial to immolate Israel, make it uninhabitable.

        I don’t think so. The point is, the regime in Washington could agree with you and they go for the nuclear option.

        ..the entire enterprise and the fallout from all of it (not just nuclear) is simply unthinkable.

        We’ll see, won’t we ?

        I don’t see we have the heft to get it done.

        I do. Tactical nukes, if it comes to that.

        How about three teams in the top twenty towns in the US? Bet they’re already here, going about their business, lots of weapons, ready to go. They could bring it to US and with our immigration situation, there could be hundreds of them.

        Well……………………………………………………………………………………I am not quite sure you are still, for this place, in the “green” zone.

        Andrei Maryanov could hypothesize better than I as to whether Russia, China, Iran and the United States understand the tripwires and hazards.

        I disagree with the man on the fundamental level, BUT, I do recognize he is, most likely, the only commentator here with an experience in, say, corps staff or around. But, we aren’t talking corps operations here but decision making process at the highest level of superpowers. Guys like him (or me, once upon a time…or so I say…..) could be, say, in a team of junior assistants to a Brigadier to help one of Generals/Admirals to prepare a presentation for the Big Leader. Think about that for a sec, if you want………………………………

        I just think they can hurt us worse than we, them, except with nuclear fallout.

        You meant “nuclear strikes” I presume. Yes.

        If I was Russia, China and really the rest of Asia, I’d have to consider that a nuclear attack on my country by the United States because the release would be huge.

        I wouldn’t. I am sure those players wouldn’t either. Say….95 % sure.

        Surely, quietly, Russia and China have made it into a Mutually Assured Destruction issue, existential.

        They have not.

        Putin can only lay back so far and it certainly seems he’s girded his military’s forces against anything we bring to the table.

        I don’t think the Kremlin would go for M.A.D. for Tehran. Just me.
        Hehe…we’ll find out, won’t we?

        Like Andrei has said, they used to respect us and now they have contempt. But I hope they still have lines, Military Men to Millitary men, professionals that don’t want this to happen.

        Oh, I see, you’ve never been in military. One advice: don’t give those guys too much credit.

        The Iran thing, an attack is something unthinkable to me. In the end also, Tehran is a LONG way to reach. All that destruction and in the end, Tehran stands.

        Disagree.

        …..Iran is going to scorch the Earth. ….

        Doubt it, very much.

        The very reason Martyanov wrote the book, and Saker made this post, with the owner of this pub going for it,IMHO, is what really matters in this game: US internal politics.
        If….if….that politics, for any reason imaginable wishes, to obliterate Iran, it will happen.
        The only way to stop it isn’t any Russian/whatever military capability. It’s, again, public (or some interest groups…) pressuring Washington NOT to do it.
        Make of that what you will.

        • Replies: @Jim Christian
        , @EoinW
        , @Haha
      80. @Begemot

        Having a West Point experience doesn’t make any difference at these higher levels.

        In USSR/Russia it did and does. But then again, the systems of military education differ rather dramatically.

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      81. Anonymous[627] • Disclaimer says:
        @Dave from Oz

        Dietrich Doerner’s Logic of Failure makes clear that decision makers consistently make grotesque errors based on faulty modeling of the world, incomplete feedback assumed to be complete, and so on. Even the data are often mistaken for deductive truths, but if one looks at, for example, the number of actual weather data points used to create those complex surface maps, it becomes obvious why the results are disappointing—in that case possibly spoiling a picnic, but with the military, destroying a civilization.

        You might recall the lessons of Longterm Capital Management’s use of predictions based on PDE’s, with results that should have been foreseen as being predictably as unreliable as weather forecasting, and for the same reasons—that beneath all the fancy math lie guesses of all too fallible men.

        Regarding a faulty worldview, could there possibly be a more distorted model of reality than America serving as Israel’s footstool, the country that with its fifth column is responsible for Lavon, USS Liberty, JFK/RFK, and, not least, 9/11. In the world of probabilities, there is no standard of textual evidence evaluation or mathematical demonstration so low it won’t give cover to the Pentagon’s costumed bureaucrats and members of Congress to look the other way regarding Israel and its fifth columns’ acts of war against the country they’re all sworn to protect.

        • Replies: @Jim Christian
        , @Walter
      82. How to Lose by P. D. Q. Bacchus

        America the Supreme,
        God gave us the world to own
        ‘Cause we’re good and kiss ‘Rael’s Throne.
        We’re tough and we’re mean.

        Paradise Lost, we fell hard.
        Sorry Lord, we went overboard.
        Thought bombers and banks were Your sword.
        We forsook Love’s Bard.

        • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
      83. @Frederick V. Reed

        America’s only need is to defend against itself.

        • Agree: Moi
      84. @SeekerofthePresence

        Pervertimento in Honor of ‘Murkan World Hegemony

      85. @Sergey Krieger

        Neocons have resumed the post-WWII strategy of massive nuclear first strike on Russia.
        The are circling Russia with missiles, which within about five years, may be hypersonic.
        They believe they can minimize Russian second strike capability.

        It is basically a race whether ‘Murka will destroy itself through factionalism before the Neocons can achieve their diabolical aims.

        Meanwhile, Russia must continue to build up and modernize and prepare for the worst. The West is now completely under demonic influence, and their greed and power-mongering know no bounds. Satan was not satisfied till he possessed God’s own authority (Milton).

        • Replies: @Anonymous
      86. @Sergey Krieger

        Fair enough, Serg, Jeez. But ‘beating’ our elites means those crazy fuckers will nuke the world before they relinquish. This will be slow, like the transition between the Soviets and Putin. My elites suck cock. And they corrupted Gorbachev, Yeltsin which led to the demise of your “deplorables” by the millions just like ours, yours with booze and despair, ours with Chinese-supplied Fentanyl. They hate our White men even more than yours, trust me. Your ‘deplorables were just like ours later, which are the guys that only worked their asses all their lives to see the elites run off with all of it. Putin stopped that there, we’d hoped Trump would stop it here, to no avail so far, our elites are stronger. Putin, however, threw a lot of his elites in jail, the oligarchs. He stopped the bleed. Jury is out whether our crooked elites will pay. ADL and SPLC put more into the election of 2016 than anyone, and THAT was foreign influence. Thinking people and grown-ass men see Putin as more a friend than Hillary, Obama, or Bill Clinton. We here are flat out of heroes, Serg. NFL and NBA and their African American ballet dancers don’t count.

        Fact is, if the elites and corporate defense establishment of the US would become diplomatic, imagine the cooperation between us and Russia that could take place. Imagine the prosperity! Even the elites could share in it! Build the New Silk Road! Supply Europe with gas, the US could supply gasoline, lube oil, we could harness refineries to produce product from shitty Iranian oil and sell it back into terminals on The Road. Airbus could sell us more airliners because no one will ever fly on a Maxx, but if Boeing got their shit together, maybe a NEW 747 or some such. The US could have a shared connection from the Med to China, sharing our products, buying shit from everywhere, but through the road, injecting gasoline, lube oils, finished product, cars, cigarettes, clothes, we have lots of things people want and the road could be a conduit for the entire world including clean coal, throughout The Road There’s plenty for everyone! We could all be rich in our trading! My Gawd, what we could all do together, the things we could make, the space travel we could devise, our engineers and yours, the Germans, Brits, (Fuck the French until they’re solidly on board with Nordstream). Man, I hate to think the last White folks, yours and ours, have to fight one last war and destroy everything first. Because, Honey Babe, if our people finish off the last of us, the Barbarians win. Imagine their joy.

        We can do better. And hope Putin is grooming a successor to stand up like he has. Peace, brothah! The A6 with bombs was a joke, ‘Bombing’ means a comedic act has failed. I was kidding, like Andrei. Remember always with me and most American’s, honestly, I’m ugly, but I do mean well.

        Serg, you in Russia or the States?

        • Agree: FB
        • Replies: @Jeff Albertson
      87. Melotte22 says:
        @Patricus

        I’ll tell you one thing.
        You won’t see this in Russia

      88. @peterAUS

        Let me ask you a question: have you ever calculated a fallout, short and long term, from a nuclear strike?

        Yes, when I was aboard USS Nimitz, Attack Squadron 35 we trained extensively in the realm of Nuclear, Biological, Chemical (NBC) even on the flight deck. We would get those A6’s off the deck with four B-61s each if we were east of Messina if it killed us all, we were part of the SIOP. Thank God it never came to that. But THAT was 1977. I guess that answers your question if I was ever military.

        Maybe you get your wish and Tehran falls. But never think for one minute that that decision won’t drive most of the civilized world against us. And one wonders if YOU ever served a military or experienced bombs dropping. This is ugly shit. And SO unnecessary.

        Go ahead, do you have some more asinine questions? Maryanov has forgotten more than you and I will ever know, youngster that he is. But I know the sea, US Naval Aviation and the Deep State I worked for in various capacities for over thirty years in Washington. They are evil, greedy and think they can win. They cannot. No one will win, never. The only winning move is not to play the game.

      89. @Sergey Krieger

        Shoigu

        Now there’s your successor for Putin. Russia would be safe with him in charge.

        • Agree: FB
        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
      90. @Anonymous

        JFK/RFK, and, not least, 9/11.

        MLK became a problem when he joined RFK against Vietnam in early 1968. When he started counseling his young Black men against Vietnam, he had to go too. I’ll never forget that. Hideous.

        Why do they always shoot their rivals in the head? Never a miss back then, ever..

      91. @Jim Christian

        They are evil, greedy and think they can win. They cannot. No one will win, never. The only winning move is not to play the game.

        I agree, but

        They are evil, greedy

        and think they can win

        means they could try. Yes even nuke Tehran if their evil and greed trumps any sanity they may have. Or unleash the hellish scenario you mentioned even with a massive conventional attack. Russia and China may decide to sit it out if it really comes to that and see how it goes. If Iran folds over like Iraq, well the US just destroys another country and I’m not sure that the fall of an Islamic regime would bother Russia and China too much – they can support such in a conflict with the West but not be truly allied with it. If Iran can put up a stiff resistance and make it a prolonged war, well they’ll be supplying the weapons so not bad for them either.

      92. @Jim Christian

        Recent Princeton Univ Simulation of Nuclear Exchange between US-Led Forces and Russia…

        • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
      93. @SeekerofthePresence

        Counterforce and countervalue attacks destroy most of Western civilization.

        Description of nuclear winter aftermath of the Princeton Simulation begins @ 4:35…

        • Replies: @Jim Christian
        , @Moi
      94. The Scalpel says: • Website
        @Andrei Martyanov

        I graduated West Point in 1984. Admission standards were quite high then – likely much much higher than the average ROTC cadet.

        This probably accounts for most of the gap you see. A simple disparity in baseline ability and a marginally better military education while at the undergraduate level.

        More recently, for reasons of political correctness, admission standards at the service academies have dropped considerably. The gap in higher grade officer’s abilities you see will disappear or has already done so.

      95. Arioch says:
        @Patricus

        Russia indeed packages little of consumer goods. Others do packaging.

        Did you see Apple iWatch on shelves? Sapphire glass was made in Russia.
        Did you see Boeing and AirBus aircrafts? Part of design was made in Russia and so are many titanium parts inside those.

        But packaging is left for China, indeed.

      96. @The Scalpel

        I graduated West Point in 1984.

        I graduated in 1985 . I am writing a series of the post at my blog named Total Recall about similarities and differences in Russian and US higher military education and training. Russians still have this graduate level degree called Specialitet. I posted the transcript of purely academic disciplines which were mandatory–some people were simply taken aback. In Soviet Navy it accounted for 6 academic years with serious thesis and state exams required upon graduation. So there is a difference. This was true for any service academy involved in non-infantry education. Per infantry–they studies 4 years 6 days a week, not counting common field practices and, as did other services, had a huge start on military theory from tactical to operational level. What many also forget often is that even today the starting level of Russian public school in STEM, first requirement for any military academy, is extremely high, in Soviet times it was even higher, It is a strategic factor which determined, apart from classic military purging of stupid teenage immaturity from cadets until they became to resemble men, a tempo of study. I also know that level of US service academies in 1970s and 1980s was very good.

        • Agree: The scalpel
      97. peterAUS says:
        @Jim Christian

        Maybe you get your wish and Tehran falls….

        …one wonders if YOU ever served a military or experienced bombs dropping…..

        …do you have some more asinine questions…

        That was quick.
        Moving on.

        • LOL: FB
      98. @Sergey Krieger

        Total Recall

        I phrased it badly:Total Recall-1, 2, 3 etc. are the title of the posts. Like this:

        https://smoothiex12.blogspot.com/2019/11/total-recall-1.html

      99. @SeekerofthePresence

        Thanks, Seek, but I stopped at Counterforce Plan. Why? Because “NATO” ain’t launching shit from the United States if Europe gets nuked. From Andrei Maraynov to, I dunno, a hundred other reports I’ve read over 40 years’ time, in the clutch, we aren’t sacrificing The United States in retaliating against Russia for nuking Europe, even though it takes out our troops there. Never happen. Also, they wouldn’t set off that many nukes over Europe, it wouldn’t be necessary. As long as the US wasn’t launched on, we wouldn’t launch on them from here. Bet that’s protocol. France might, Britain might, but they’d be on their own.

        Princeton’s model is horseshit. In my opinion, of course. As for ‘nuclear winter’? Given the various radioactive bits and pieces that would travel the world over, nuclear winter would be the least of the problems. This is one reason an attack on Iran is unthinkable, or rather an attack on their nuclear facilities. The fallout from that would follow the winds all over Asia, Russia, China. Everything East of Iran would get a major taste.

      100. @Andrei Martyanov

        I guess but you probably do not know.
        My opinion is that the true “Sword of Damocles” for US will be nuclear loaded and nuclear powered submarines to be sent from Kamchatka to the west coast of US. Weather will be taking care of the rest.
        So my question is : How far are Russians in development of these weapons?

        • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
      101. @Andrei Martyanov

        Mostly a myth, spread not least with the effort of Gorbachev himself who needed to justify why he is such a loser and incompetent coward.

        The communist system was just plain silly. It was never going to work. Isn’t the truth that enough Russians finally got tired of it? And groups like Samizdat spread the word that the “workers paradise” had to shoot people for trying to escape?

        • Replies: @Begemot
      102. refl says:
        @RadicalCenter

        The question even to compare the American to the Russian or former Soviet educational system is delusional.

        However, the US has understood something that the Russians and any decent people don’t get: The people are consumers. They should not be educated beyond the needed to use the most recent applications on their electronic devices. Anything further carries the danger of having them discontent and thus an inroad to the Western entity. Also, a military is not there to win wars and subsequently have a headache about how to deal with the conquered people. It is about wrecking far away places and providing opportunities to claim invoices from the federal government. Modern, hybrid warfare is not about aplying this or that military means, but about occupying the universities, courts and parliaments of the subdued people – finally occupying their minds. And yes, to do so includes that the weaponry should look cool and provide job opportunities for the hopeless youngsters of that amorphous mass formerly called the nation.

        The Russians, Chinese, Iranians will have to stay alert 24/7/365 not to fall into the abyss of depravity that the Great Western Civilisation is offering to them. I am afraid, that the threat is very real that in the end they will be worn down.

        • Agree: utu
        • Replies: @likbez
      103. @Ilyana_Rozumova

        nuclear powered submarines to be sent from Kamchatka

        Technically any Russian strategic missile submarine can easily launch from their piers not even leaving bases–those salvos by SLBMs cover the whole territory of North America. Because in case of war all Russian naval bases are first-order counter-force targets, Russian Navy keeps on constant combat patrol few strategic missile subs, capable to launch without being detected. Same goes for the US Navy’s SSBNs on combat patrol. Both sides know each-other capabilities for nuclear exchange. There is no need anymore for SSBNs to go to the Gulf of Alaska from Kamchatka. Multi-purpose submarines carrying cruise missiles and, in Russian case, 3M22 Zircon is another matter and that is the main concern of US Navy.

        • Replies: @Passer by
      104. @EoinW

        Wasn’t that Ann Richards’ line against George W. Bush in a Texas gubernatorial race of the 1990s?

      105. GMC says:

        All Russia, China, Iran and a slew of other countries need to do, is form the same type ” Alliance,” that the West has done , but in a 21st Century mentality. They need to form a Nato type alliance that explains that any hostilities, invasions, coup attempts etc. on one country , will be relative to to the other countries in the Alliance. Many countries would join and this would check the US Foreign Policy. Possibly, this already has been discussed, but I would certainly tell the West that we { Ru. Chi. and the rest} are going to have a open summitt on it – in Sochi too.

      106. Hibernian says:
        @Andrei Martyanov

        It seems to me that in time of peace/cold war, an Intel/Surveillance/Reconnaissance mission is more real world than the more common mission of choreographed target practice and maneuvering. Why not just admit that Mr. Rumsfeld is an exception to the rule? Granted that he was a fool as a senior leader, it’s not uncommon for good, courageous, sometimes heroic junior officers to become fools as senior leaders. (Think Wesley Clark.) We’d be better served if they had opted for careers as insurance agents after leaving the service as O-3s.

      107. Rahan says:

        Shoigu is 64, while Putin is 67.
        This means Shoigu is a one-term successor, if we’re talking age. Someone capable of long-term work and planning after that would be a must. Medvedev is currently 54, which mean he’ll be the age Shoigu is now, if Putin stands down in say a decade.
        Which means he himself–Medvedev, that is–will be good for a decade.
        So that’s one scenario: ten more years of less of Putin, then one mandate by Shoigu, then another decade by Medvedev. Or fifteen years by Medvedev immediately after Putin, with Shoigu being his cardinal…
        We’ve yet to see what happens to the reds and the browns. The leader of the commies–Zuyganov–is 75, and the leader of the empire revivalists–Zhirinovski–is 73. So again, at most a decade from now, the commies and the far right will either collapse, or choose new strong leaders.

        In this sense there a very serious possible reshuffle looming all across the Russian political landscape. After all, only four parties matter: Putin’s national conservatives, Zyuganov’s commies, Zhirinovski’s imperialists, and Mironov’s social democrats. Mironov is 66, the youngest of the batch.

        Russia is still very much a “leader-based” society. Her political parties are also “leader-based”. We’ll see if these parties can function beyond the lifespan of their current leaders. If yes–then Russia has transcended the curse of the “wise emperor” formula, where stuff only works if you’ve got a superhuman at the top, and the moment he’s gone, shit falls apart.

      108. Hibernian says:
        @Andrei Martyanov

        In the Navy until relatively recently only Academy grads could become Admirals, but some of the best Generals in the Army were not West Pointers, going back a long way. The Marine Corps does not have its own Academy, and few of its senior leaders have been Naval Academy grads.

        You seem to be defending yourself on this point in the same way as leftwingers in the US media often do, saying your point is true even though your facts aren’t quite accurate. In your case I’d say your point is true and you were wrong only as to the facts concerning one man.

        If “cadre officer” means the elite of officers, I think your definition of that elite is overly narrow, for the American military.

      109. Walter says:

        Both Saker reviews are important, and I’ll get both books.

        My own experience with US Army officers and enlisted – and this extended over40 years off and on, the last encounters six continuous years ending in 1992 – was that the WW2 men were realists and competent. And that their replacements were delusional fools. The level of incompetence was breath-taking by 1992 – when NATO as the cloak of Empire undertook to bomb cities in Yugoslavia – self evidently criminal and foolish officers went along… And I said Adios MoFo…

        Saker knew another reality.

      110. EoinW says:
        @peterAUS

        Tactical nukes. Such a humane idea. Doesn’t that make everyone feel warm and fuzzy all over. Nuclear war, even a first strike, is now acceptable. Isn’t semantics wonderful! Tactical nukes are the thing, to NOT prick the conscience of the western public.

        I do not envy the Russian position. They can’t publicly warn the US/Israel against nuclear strikes. The MSM would take such a common sense position and spin into more Russian bullying. How dare they tell us what we can’t do! The Russian message would quickly be lost in a wave of western hysterics.

        On the other hand, a secret warning is of limited value. If they listen, great. What if they call Russia’s bluff? Being secret, the Russians could back down and not even lose face. It seems obvious that the psychopathic thinking among western elites is based on the idea that they can get away with nuclear strikes against Iran because Russian retaliation will mean the end of humanity…therefore they will not respond.

        I’m sure the Russians have already calculated what is and is not acceptable when war comes to Iran. How much damage will nuking an entire country do to Russia and all of Asia? If the fall out is that extreme then they might treat such an attack as an attack on Russia itself. I do think the likely plan is to make the best of whatever happens. No matter how one spins it, a Russian nuclear response is the end of humanity. An extreme option the Russians will try to avoid…if possible.

        All this is based on the assumption Israel or America will use their nuclear arsenal. If Hitler had the bomb in 1945 would he have used it? Of course he would have. The people running the West have shown the same callous disregard for human life. There is no moral deterrent to stop these people. Plus all western propaganda the past 20 years has been aimed at making the use of nuclear weapons acceptable. Why would they be conditioning their public unless they wished to have the option to use them?

        How do we get there? Yes the US military has the ability to drop lots of bombs and destroy many things. Yet in any war primary targets will all be hit fairly quickly. Then what? From Day Two they are into the phase of diminishing returns. This is what confronted the IDF in 2006. So you go to tactical nukes. However I see the nuclear attack coming on the heels of a ferocious Iranian counter attack. Psychologically can America handle even minimal losses? The most likely response will be a huge temper tantrum: “how dare they fight back!” The nuclear option will be taken because things will have gone wrong. It will be as much a show of weakness as strength. Plus it won’t be just one of two bombs. Because the Iranians will not say “Uncle”. The Japanese did after Nagasaki, however the Japanese were trying to surrender the entire time. The Iranians will never surrender. Therefore 80 million dead might not be unreasonable. Especially if there is no longer any Reason left in the western world.

        This can be prevented but only by the western public. You know the most apathetic/ignorant and propagandized public on the planet. As Vietnam and Iraq proved, Americans have no conscience when it comes to dead foreigners. They get what they deserve for “starting” a war against Uncle Sam. Yet there are two Achilles Heels.

        1) Americans hate losing. Iraq was a great success during the Mission Accomplished phase. The moment the narrative changed Americans quickly switched to hating their leadership for botching Iraq. So how long before Americans turn against an Iran War that isn’t an easy win – and can’t be won because the Iranians will never surrender. Or how well does the MSM do in turning such losses into part of a patriotic war that Americans’ must support and win?

        2) Quality of life. All westerners are the most spoiled people in human history. Consequently we have become the most materialistic and the most superficial people ever. We are an “end justifies the means” society. So long as we have our tvs and weekend football and our quality of life hasn’t fallen too far, too fast, we are perfectly happy to give our political elites a blank cheque to do whatever they like. Bomb Yugoslavia, invade Afghanistan, destroy Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen, murder Palestinians, sanction or threaten regime change…the list is endless. Everything is on the table – likely nuclear holocaust too(so long as it’s them doing the dying) – just don’t mess with our Cozy Prisons! Support for war on Iran will evaporate pretty fast unless such a war can be prosecuted quickly and everything can return to normal fast. Definitely westerners – not just Americans – will support nuclear strikes. There will be some initial shock, which the MSM will cover over. Then everyone will fall into line because we’ll need to win the war and get back to normal. Nuclear weapons will be seen as the convenient solution for the problem. End justifies the means.

        Maybe I’m wrong about westerners and they still have a conscience. After 20 years of accepting endless wars, it doesn’t seem likely.

        Circle 2021 on your calendars. Once Trump is re-elected there will be nothing to stop him. If there are any history classes in the future then 2021 will be remember like 1914 or 1789 or 1066. I still hope it is remembered as the year the states of Israel and USA ceased to exist.

        • Replies: @Johnny Rico
        , @peterAUS
        , @FB
      111. Moi says:
        @donald j tingle

        The way I see it, exceptional is a disease that makes many Americans unbalanced and alienated from reality.

      112. The Saker’s pieces virtually always stand in need of heavy editing. They are jumbled writing.

      113. Moi says:
        @SeekerofthePresence

        Probably some crazy Jesus freaks are preparing for the rapture. In America there is a weird symbiosis between violence and loving Jesus. Go figure…

        • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
      114. Walter says:
        @Anonymous

        I have doubts that zionists were central to, or instigators of, the JFK coup, but the Jewish mob sure was in on it, and since they knew and were involved, as was Lyndon, that gave the zionists Mossad the blackmail they needed to put Lyndon in their pocket. They proved this when he covered up the Liberty affair. Since then the zionists have been free to do as they wished. I propose these changes were gradual, and that zionism has been curated as a MI6 intelop since the Balfour Declaration, in part to create the 5th column we have now. Looks like it got out of control, Golem-like. This is a pity, as it may result in the ruin of their own people, just as we see Semitic zionists shooting Semitic natives in a sort of turkeyshoot every Friday…is it kosher to kill on Shabbos? I wonder.. . a kind of civil war, so we see a vast schism forming between Jews and nominally Jewish zionists.

        • Replies: @ivegotrythm
      115. Anonymous[627] • Disclaimer says:
        @SeekerofthePresence

        Not a race at all, but an orchestrated equipoise triggering the former once the latter is achieved.

      116. Anonymous[209] • Disclaimer says:

        I remember watching a documentary years ago about the difference in training between russians and american pilots.

        Americans keep their planes and landing strips very clean. They even get in groups at the end of the day and pickup even the smallest piece of metal or rock that could pose a danger to the jet engine. Aparently this would be fatal to the jet engine and even the pilot.

        If you look at the russian side you see birds, old tires, abandonned cars and so on. A complete mess.
        Russian logic : most modern russian air craft is built with a secondary inlet that will protect the engine at landing and takeoff. But anyways, war is dirty and messsy and nobody will have time to clean anything

        • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
      117. The zionists are going to continue their agenda to get a nuclear war with Russia using the ZUS as the main combatant vs Russia and this war will be for the benefit of Israel. Israel and the ZUS elites believe they can survive a nuclear war in their DUMBs ie deep underground military bases which they have throughout Israel and the ZUS and ZEurope and these bases are connected by underground tunnels and mag lev trains.

        The hundreds of millions that will lose their lives are considered a benefit for the zionist elites as they want to depopulate the world anyway, but the bottom line is that these elites are insane demonic creatures and so given their agenda is war, war with Russia will be crossing the Rubicon for these insane creatures and this will be the war to end all wars and civilization.

      118. 168th reg says:
        @Andrei Martyanov

        There is not so much of a gap. I have relatives who didn’t even do rotc. The did OCS and went right to combat infantry, hundreds of days in front line combat multiple Purple Hearts, battle stars, ending up as much higher ranked commissioned officers. The real issue are the guys who use either rotc or a service academy as a draft dodge at the beginning of a war. A lot of guys did that with Annapolis in ww 2, and Rumsfeld effectively avoided combat in Korea via rotc. That is the real issue

        • Agree: Hibernian
      119. Walter says:

        See > “Will the Pentagon Be the Next U.S. Institution to Crash?” Bill Pfaff

        And That was 11 years ago…

        Recall Brother Comrade Fidel’s pronounced statement “The time for weapons is past”.

        (except for suicide)

        it’s on truthdig, or use search engine, Bill’s gone.

      120. @Jim Christian

        “Fact is, if the elites and corporate defense establishment of the US would become diplomatic, imagine the cooperation between us and Russia that could take place. Imagine the prosperity! Even the elites could share in it!”

        Exactly so. This was the basis for my immediate initial support for Trump; his calling bullshit on the entire rationale behind the empire, and the potential benefits of a new detente. (Even if we were evil geni, it would make more sense to at least pretend to be non-threatening.) This is the root of the hostility to Trump, IMO.

        Incidentally, this piece and it’s commentary is greatly supportive of Ron’s argument that heavy users should step up and financially support the UR. I haven’t seen this sort of thing anywhere else easily available on the web. I don’t comment much here (feeling somewhat too short for this ride 😬) but I do spend hours everyday, reading most of the articles and many comments. Would definitely donate.

        Thanks, all!

      121. Begemot says:
        @RichardTaylor

        FYI: Samizdat means ‘self-published’. It wasn’t a group. Samizdat was material printed, copied, and distributed by individuals without official sanction.

      122. Passer by says:
        @Andrei Martyanov

        I suspect that the US is extremely concerned about Russia’s decapitating first strike capability via nuclear armed Zircons (1-2 minutes flight time to Washington DC or New York) who are hard to detect, almost impossible to stop missiles. The US does not have a capability like this. This is why the whole talk about buying Greenland. It is very important to stop russian subs from reaching the Atlantic US Coast.

        How can a US president sleep if he knows that a russian tactical nuclear missile could arrive in 1-2 minutes?

        In 1-2 minutes the WhiteHouse, Congress, Federal Reserve HQ, CIA and NSA HQs, Pentagon, etc will be gone. No wonder Putin is trolling the US about selling some hypersonic weapons.

        • Replies: @Avery
      123. Haha says:
        @Patricus

        Ah, ah, pardon but your ignorance is showing. Russia may not be a dazzling economic powerhouse (capitalism US style does produce a lot of razzle dazzle you know, some of which is real, some fake) but Russia was and is a scientific and technological powerhouse.

        For starters, the rockets that power US space excursions are Russian. For some mysterious reason, the US hasn’t been able to make their own. The Russians also make their own cars (not very sexy ones but serviceable), trucks (strong and sturdy), the white consumer durables, textiles, GOOD wholesome organic food, ice cream (just try theirs and you will keep begging for more), vodka for the diehards and good wines and cognac for others, anti-virus software, scientific software, oil drilling equipment, tools and dies, aluminum and other basic metals, etc. etc. They also manage to produce and export plenty of anti-Russia hysteria, the chief consumer being good ole US!

        • Replies: @Johnny Rico
        , @anon
        , @Avery
      124. Haha says:
        @peterAUS

        Peter, no offence meant, and beg none be taken, but here is a question for you from my impish mind: were you ever a schoolmaster? Commenting on peoples’ posts by excerpting paragraph after paragraph does remind me of days when my work was subjected to such analysis, often followed by harsh punishment and flunk grades.
        Cheers!

        • Replies: @peterAUS
      125. @Moi

        You are quite correct. The overly sanguine attitude of many Christians toward nuclear war one might call “nuclear exceptionalism.” They adopted the imaginary hope of Anglo-Irish 1800’s cult leader John Nelson Darby: “Darby has been credited with originating the pre-tribulational rapture theory wherein Christ will suddenly remove His bride, the Church, from this world to its heavenly destiny before the judgments of the tribulation.” (Wikipedia).

        The military leadership are loaded with rapture believers, in particular the Air Force. So if the world nukes itself, that’s fine by them; they have no skin in the “game.”

        Except that on Judgment Day they will have to give account for the lives they destroy by their recklessness. The turning of Christ into a war god is both blasphemy and idolatry, for which also they will give account. “My Kingdom is not of this world,” said the Lord to Pilate. Christians are to contend for the Gospel through love, not war.

      126. @Anonymous

        I remember watching a documentary years ago about the difference in training between russians and american pilots.

        The title of documentary was Top Gun Over Moscow, it was aired 22 years ago by PBS and today everything changed dramatically. Per this:

        If you look at the russian side you see birds, old tires, abandonned cars and so on. A complete mess.

        You can take a look at Khmeimim base to see how clean and well-maintained it is, same as most Russia’s airbases inside Russia. But yes, RuAF is keenly aware of a possibility of taking off from damaged airfields filled with FOD articles. That is why RuAF trains with landings and take-offs from highways.

      127. @168th reg

        There is not so much of a gap

        There is: from the volume of fundamental STEM to longevity of the courses (programs).

      128. @EoinW

        You are unhinged.

        You can’t even circle 2021 on a calendar. It IS a calendar.

        Be serious. 2021 will look a lot like 2015. No matter who is President. Just like 2019 looked a lot like 2011.

      129. peterAUS says:
        @EoinW

        ….the psychopathic thinking among western elites is based on the idea that they can get away with nuclear strikes against Iran because Russian retaliation will mean the end of humanity…therefore they will not respond.

        Something like that.

        …I’m sure the Russians have already calculated what is and is not acceptable when war comes to Iran.

        Any interested state-level player has.

        No matter how one spins it, a Russian nuclear response is the end of humanity.

        Yep.

        There is no moral deterrent to stop these people.

        You mean TPTBs in the West? Yep…..

        The Iranians will never surrender. Therefore 80 million dead might not be unreasonable.

        Disagree.

        This can be prevented but only by the western public. You know the most apathetic/ignorant and propagandized public on the planet.

        Don’t say.

        So how long before Americans turn against an Iran War that isn’t an easy win – and can’t be won because the Iranians will never surrender.

        The Iranian regime can surrender–>from then on there are a couple of scenarios.

        As, for example:

        So long as we have our tvs and weekend football and our quality of life hasn’t fallen too far, too fast, we are perfectly happy to give our political elites a blank cheque to do whatever they like

        And so long as I don’t get drafted to be a part of occupying force in Iran…among some other things.

        Definitely westerners – not just Americans – will support nuclear strikes. There will be some initial shock, which the MSM will cover over. Then everyone will fall into line because we’ll need to win the war and get back to normal. Nuclear weapons will be seen as the convenient solution for the problem. End justifies the means.

        Yep.

        Maybe I’m wrong about westerners and they still have a conscience. After 20 years of accepting endless wars, it doesn’t seem likely.

        I guess we’ll see.

        • Replies: @EoinW
      130. @168th reg

        Are you a Korean combat vet?

      131. @Haha

        Your post is half-joking, right?

        You seem to want to award some kind of medal to Russia for producing what it should be able to produce given who they are. No?

        I mean, it would be kinda weird and sad if they couldn’t produce cars, rockets, and anti-virus software.

        Christ, they produced Martyanov. Isn’t that enough?

        And being willing to produce and able to produce are two different things.

      132. peterAUS says:
        @Haha

        ..were you ever a schoolmaster?

        No.
        But I was training men, once upon a time, mostly during the Cold war and a bit after that. Both in the field and in barracks/camps/bases.

        When that method is hammered into you during your own training and you, for years, use it…it stays.

        I know it sounds harsh for modern, civilian, sensibilities. So..hehe…never done it in my civilian job. Used it, several times, in “fencing” with senior management in some projects. As you can expect, most of the time, it didn’t go well.

        • Replies: @Haha
      133. @Jeff Albertson

        Even if you only read you take tiny section of band width.

      134. @Walter

        The Zionism Psy-Op began much earlier than the Balfour declaration. It was a result of losing sovereignty when Poland disappeared in 1772 and was partitioned between Prussia, Russia, and Austria. (Poland was a condominium with two governments, a Jewish one and a Polish one. The Jews had their own parliament, and the Poles theirs, plus a king. This evolved out of the original agreements the Khazars of the south made with the Lithuanians to be a mercenary army, police force, and tax collectors.) Having lost control of one country, Poland (through their own misuse of taxes), the High Command in Lithuania decided they needed another country. The propaganda was that the riots—pogroms— that began in Russia at the end of the 19th century were anti-Jewish riots; that the Czar was anti-Jewish, etc. And the big Psy-Op was the Dreyfus Affair, which was completely fake. Which is why the original written offer to sell “secrets”—which were not secrets at all —mysteriously disappeared before the Germans occupied France in 1940. But the phony Dreyfus Affair immediately led to the first Zionist Congress in Basel. Herzl was only a hired propagandist, and disposed off when he finished the job for which he was recruited as a journalist (as was Wilhelm Marr—who popularized the term “Antisemitism”). World War I and the Balfour agreement to get America into the war on the British side delivered the goods.

      135. @Jim Christian

        Today it is clear that the Stars and Stripes should be dollar signs over a defense contractor logo.

        Dollar sign superimposed on the Star of David.

      136. EoinW says:
        @peterAUS

        I do not see how the Iranians can surrender. The American goal is the complete destruction of the Islamic Revolution. What do those running Iran have to gain by surrendering? Even a defeated enemy needs some motivation to surrender. America could surrender and nothing bad would happen to the USA. Israel could surrender with all moderate Jews emigrating to America. How do the Iranians surrender when the threat is existential? Could also ask: which faction of the US government/military do they surrender to?

        It’s a moot point because they will not surrender. The Islamic Revolution is based on more than the superficiality westerners worship. Did the Cuban Revolution end with Fidel Castro’s death? So much for all those predictions that the revolution would not survive Castro.

        It just shows how the Anglo-American West has no understanding when it comes to revolutionary movements. Going back to the days of the French Revolution, all they’ve cared about is counter-revolutionary destruction.

        • Replies: @peterAUS
      137. @Andrei Martyanov

        Do you write in both Russian and English?

      138. Now, the key question is, how is this relevant. I have no doubt that this and previous book contain good info, but can this info be ever digested by the US politicians and neocons? Of course not! The US elites have degenerated to the point of no return. This always happens to the elites of dying empires. So, discussing the reality, military or economic, with them is like teaching madhouse inmates calculus. You might be right, but they won’t appreciate it.

        • Replies: @Anon
      139. peterAUS says:
        @EoinW

        I do not see how the Iranians can surrender. The American goal is the complete destruction of the Islamic Revolution. What do those running Iran have to gain by surrendering? Even a defeated enemy needs some motivation to surrender.

        It’s a moot point because they will not surrender.

        O…………………K.

        Try to, slowly and carefully, visualize this scenario:

        The “engagement” starts on trivial pretext with air strikes->there is exchange->air strikes increase->Iran mines the Hormuz->air strikes increase->…..battle of will……..most of the world gets involved in one way or another->tactical nukes on certain targets to prevent the current regime to wage modern war->invasion to clear/secure Hormuz.

        The…ahm…” engagement” COULD end as what we see in Syria:
        A non-functional central state, divided in constantly low-level warring entities. Some of them self-ruling, some occupied. Even by Russians.

        So, you could be right: the regime does not surrender. It controls, under constant, occasional strikes part of the current territory. As Assad.
        Some other parts of the country occupied and controlled by somebody else. The Empire and Russians/Chinese/whatever.
        Some parts sort of independent.
        Some parts of the country a radioactive wasteland.

        Makes sense?

        • Replies: @Erebus
      140. I don’t know much about the current weapons, but I fully expect the U.S. government to keep pushing its luck against Russia and China and to get pounded on the battlefield eventually.

        I don’t see any way that a military made up of mall rats, gender and SJWs, AA retards, ROTC nerds and fatties, and mercenary immigrants could ever put up a fight against Russia or China in an aggressive war. Outside of the misguided mall rats and a few small town kids, I don’t even care what happens to the other misfits in the Army of Dumb.

        I would hope that any war would fall shy of nuclear, but who knows anymore? As long as the damage is limited to D.C., LA, NYC, Boston, and a few other large cities that need to be bombed, I guess the Russians would be doing Real America a favor.

      141. @The Scalpel

        I remember back in the 1960s how prized the eductaion at any of the military academies was…

        Today, their standards have fallen on hard times. I read somewhere in the recent past that West Point is now considered rather mediocre in ts educational standards an rigor…

        • Agree: The Scalpel
      142. Anon[203] • Disclaimer says:
        @AnonFromTN

        And then there are questions about those other dimensions, biological. Designer viruses and bacteria, and vectors. What are the capabilities? What is going on in those labs? eg, The african swine fever epidemics appear to be intent, not accident. Relevance may depend on field of interest.

        For the biologics, prophylactics maybe of interest. And relevant.

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
      143. Erebus says:
        @peterAUS

        Makes sense?

        In a Western drill sergeant’s world, Yes.
        In the real world, No (with an LOL on the side).

        • Replies: @RadicalCenter
      144. Agent76 says:

        Nov 22, 2013 Thomas DiLorenzo – The Revolution Of 1913

        From the Tom Woods show Loyola economics professor Thomas DiLorenzo discusses three events from 1913 that greatly escalated the transmogrification of America from the founder’s vision (limited government) to its current state (unlimited government).

      145. @Anon

        As a biologist, I can say that numerous attempts to weaponize bacteria and viruses, made by all sides, failed miserably. The key problem always is that microorganisms don’t give a hoot who is friend and who is foe. Theoretically, you can immunize your troops and population, but doing it secretly is out of question. What’s more, immunity takes weeks to months to develop, so you give you enemies an advance warning. The only practicable use of bacteria and viruses is for the elites to get rid of sheeple. We are not there yet.

        • Replies: @Anon
      146. anon[137] • Disclaimer says:
        @Jim Christian

        There is already some internal opposition to war with Iran. Out of the various recent provocations, the US has been reluctant to escalate. Maybe its Trump’s skepticism regarding the list of options provided by the military. Or his political instincts. It would be an unpopular war without a rapid, decisive victory, which is unrealistic.

        I think other than a rather weak veto power, Trump is too weak to prevent a war. So I think some other faction of the elite is resisting. Maybe the military. It would be logical for them to resist. They got their big budget without needing a war. And they would be stuck with the mess.

        The war has been teed up for a Trump signoff two or three times lately. If the only missing piece is finding the sucker to take the blame, it is inevitable. Rather, I would infer that there is some deep opposition, that is lying low. The large defense contractors have it pretty good right now, but they probably aren’t set up to oppose any war, however foolish.

        • Agree: Jim Christian
      147. Bookish1 says:
        @Sergey Krieger

        Dont underestimate the Germans. Prussia will be German again. It has to happen.

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
        , @RadicalCenter
      148. anon[137] • Disclaimer says:
        @Haha

        Russia has made the most of US sanctions. The weakened ruble has been the basis for tremendous growth in agriculture. Sanctions cause short term pain, but as long as the public didn’t blame Putin, it was the best thing that could have happened. The currency was artificially weakened and various embargos protected and promoted the Russian economy. Now they are effectively immune to sanctions, dedollarized, etc.

        Nevertheless, they are still mired in the production and export of commodities. It’s not all that bad, but not an especially enviable position. They can certainly grow and develop their domestic economy, but must transform away from raw materials and commodities to reach their potential.

      149. @Bookish1

        Germans have a different opinion about that. They’ve learned some lessons. Not their elites, but the people did.

        • Replies: @refl
      150. @kafka

        Forget about Russia and its GDP however measured. The US can still overwhelm with numbers. Even if the Russian birthrate is picking up the US has all those faster breeding high IQ Latinos and blacks (the ones not in jail or living off their woman’s foodstamps).

        The US could have done great things for mankind by making nice (and honest) with Russia 1990 to 2000 but the real lost opportunity – speculative in value but worth the experiment when the goodwill was credible and it was cost free – was to behave humbly towards the reviving Middie Kingdom from the 80s and offer to share control of the world with it. To the extent that China saw it was not being conned it could have postponed for many years, even decades, the aggressive assertiveness we now see (and maybe avoided the aggressiveness). Think of what could have been done in Afghanistan if, acknowledging China’s own Muslim ptobleem, they were effectively asked to take half shares in the Afghan enterprise. Why wouldn’t China have been happy to provide the numbers (they do in Tibet) and be given the inside running on Afghan natural resources. Of course Thucydidean pessimism might have proved right but it was a chance that should have been taken.

      151. @Andrei Martyanov

        Our societies have been gutted by thieves and their accomplices while the thieves buddies look on and play loud music to confuse everyone. The thieves are the buzzard ‘capitalists’, the accomplices are the crooked politicians and the noise comes from the media.
        The common denominator in the U.S., Canada, Australia, the U.K., NZ and others is that the thieves den is a triumvirate: Old Money ‘elite’ (read: scum), New Money Jews and the politicos (multi-generational civil servant families and the con artists talking head actors who play president, pm, etc.).
        The West has been systematically destroyed. Every institution has been corrupted including our religions. The Vatican, for example, was completely corrupted in the early 1960’s when, according to Father Malachi Martin, Satan formally enthroned himself in Vatican City.
        There is a common denominator here gentlemen: destruction. Satan is always close to any such destruction which is why Communism has always been so anti-Christian and anti-religion (China destroyed Buddhism and is destroying Falun Gong, or trying to). Our elites and the elite Jews have a religion of their own: Luciferianism.
        It is time to pray gentlemen. We need a miracle. It isn’t too late to turn this ship around. We just need the willpower to do it. Prayer is the beginning of building the strength to do what is needed for our progeny.

        • Replies: @ivegotrythm
      152. Avery says:
        @Passer by

        { the US is extremely concerned about Russia’s decapitating first strike capability}
        {How can a US president sleep if he knows that a russian tactical nuclear missile could arrive in 1-2 minutes?}

        By making sure US does not initiate a nuke strike on Russia.
        Why would Russia initiate a ‘decapitating* nuke strike’ on US?
        What will she gain by it? Nothing.
        Both US and Russia will have more than enough surviving nukes to wipe the other out, and then some, if one of them initiates a nuke first strike.

        My guess is Russia continues developing faster, harder to detect nuke strike systems to deter the psychopaths in US from doing something stupid and awful. But the problem with all these developments of ever faster strike capabilities – on both sides – is that the possibility of an accidental nuke strike by one side or another, keeps increasing. Because it takes a few minutes for a missile to reach its target, you cannot afford to wait: if your defenses falsely detect a ‘launch’, then you _have_ to launch……and then the runaway chain reaction of strike-counterstrike-countercounterstrike begins…..and everything ends.

        ______________________________
        * there is no such thing as ‘decapitating’ nuke strike against US or Russia. Both are large enough and have enough nuke warheads (8,000-10,000) to render the idea of a ‘decapitating’ strike meaningless. Just one (surviving) boomer sub (US or Russia) carries enough nuke warheads/megatons to wipe most of US/Russia.

        • Replies: @peterAUS
      153. Avery says:
        @Haha

        {their own cars (not very sexy}

        I don’t know:

        The Aurus looks pretty nice, like a Bentley, although the curtains don’t go with the luxury.

        and the Lada looks like your typical Japanese or South Korean lower-end import to US.

      154. OK, now I’m ready to read Saker’s review of the book.

      155. peterAUS says:
        @Avery

        Pretty much.

        With

        But the problem with all these developments of ever faster strike capabilities – on both sides – is that the possibility of an accidental nuke strike by one side or another, keeps increasing. Because it takes a few minutes for a missile to reach its target, you cannot afford to wait: if your defenses falsely detect a ‘launch’, then you _have_ to launch……and then the runaway chain reaction of strike-counterstrike-countercounterstrike begins…..and everything ends.

        as the crux of all it.

        The last three words in particular.

      156. @Erebus

        What specifically is implausible about the posited scenario?

        • Replies: @EoinW
      157. @Bookish1

        Germans are declining In number every year. Their population has one of the highest median ages in the world, and it is still rising slowly even higher. Their military is a joke in size and capabilities, they widely doubt and despise themselves, and they are being systematically colonized by hostile unassimilable nonEuropean populations, esp. Turk, Arab, and African.

        Where in this does anything at all suggest that this dying demoralized people will be conquering new territory? They can’t or won’t even protect their people on their own territory.

        Granted, the white population in every country bordering Germany (sadly) is also declining, aging, and brainwashed or intimidated into not resisting the immivaders in their lands, either. But the Germans are in no position to take advantage of that in a military fashion even if they had the balls and the desire, which they mostly do not.

      158. likbez says:
        @refl

        refl,

        The question even to compare the American to the Russian or former Soviet educational system is delusional.

        Believe me or not, I would prefer the USA system of education (with all its warts) to the Soviet system in the 70-90th without any hesitation. And with the same quality of students, the USA would archive the same or better results.

        There was nothing particularly great in the Soviet educational system. Other than students, who were selected very competitively (often more than 10-30 people for one place in ordinary universities and 100-1000 in elite; yes, 1000 or more per one place was observed in theater specialties).

        Soviet universities were as poor as church rats, which has one good side effect that they were forced to concentrate more on classic subjects like physics and math, which do not require expensive labs. So students got a solid background in math and physics. But that’s about it.

        Also, the motivation for was pretty high: if you fail two times to be admitted to the university, you were drafted into the Red Army. If you were expelled for the bad academic rating (which was, I think, to fail more then two exams in one semester) — the same call from the Red Army was waiting for you.

        As emigrants from the USSR told me, programming courses were simply dismal, and graduates essentially learned the craft of the jobs, not at universities.

        Even math books were the second rate in comparison with the USA textbooks of the same period.

        They were written by a representative of so-called axiomatic schools and were extremely boring and uninformative. But many good math books were translated (for example, Polia writings) Actually, as I understand, translation of foreign books in the USSR was the only first-class enterprise (despite outdated equipment). It was first-class both in the selection and the speed of translation. For example, as Knuth mentioned, all three volumes of his books were translated into Russian within a very short interval.

        Academic degrees were also mostly fake (much like they are int he USA now ;-): one of my friends told me that his Ph.D. from top Ukrainian University was counted only as a master degree in the USA by the commission which studied his thesis (I believe in NYU)

        But again, most good western books on tech subjects were translated and were somewhat available. And if you compare Feynman lectures (which were also translated) to Soviet physics textbooks, Soviet textbooks were not even competitive. Some “cutting edge” book was OK. But very few.

        The professors and lectures (including professors large part of which were just incompetent jerks, promoted due to nepotism or Communist party activities) deteriorated to the level that was simply painful to watch. Some came to lectures completely unprepared or drank, or tried to teach some completely bogus theories of their own invention. Many did not come at all sending assistants.

        My impression is that essentially, in 1990, Soviet science and education experienced the same crisis as the Communist social system as a whole.

        But I think students learn as much from each other as from professors, and if the level of the class was extremely high, the results were corresponding. In other words, poor university teachers did not harm them that much, and a lot what they learn, they learn on their own (except fundamental disciplines) — kind of self-education buried within ;-).

        Also, rigid soviet system (you have a zero opportunity to select your own set of subjects for a degree) has one important advantage. It schools you to be determined and persisting, no matter what subject you were assigned. To be a real fighter, in some academic or non-academic sense.

        That was especially true as you also need to pass exams in Marxism philosophy and Political economy to get a degree. Those subjects were frown upon, but in retrospect were useful: students were forced to read classics, not junk like neo-classical economics in the USA.

        I think that the main reason for the high quality of Soviet engineers of this period was not the education the got, but the fact that talented people were nowhere to go; there was “no business path.” That’s why Berezovsky became an academic scholar and even reached the level of the Corresponding Member of the USSR Academy of Science 😉

        The level of backwardness of computer science education in the 90th in the USSR was staggering. So the fact that there were so many talented programmers in the country, many of whom later found a well-paid job in the Western countries, was mostly due to the level of the talent of those few who managed to get into universities.

        Many problems with Soviet education persist in Russia. Andrei Martyanov looks at many problems of Russian society via rose glasses. Taking into account the current level of Russophobia, that’s a noble stance, and I do not object to his exaggerations.

        But the reality is more complex.

      159. The article says that during the Cold War the military was much more cautious than we’ve been led to believe and that all the Sabre-rattling was just for public consumption. This seems counter to what Kennedy believed, which was that the Joint Chiefs were all ready to go with a preemptive strike on the Soviets.

      160. @likbez

        Even math books were the second rate in comparison with the USA textbooks of the same period.

        Before writing on a subject, of which you, obviously have zero knowledge, get acquainted with a side activity of Admiral Hyman Rickover and, especially, his testimony to a US Congress precisely on comparative studies re: US and Soviet systems of education.

        They were written by a representative of so-called axiomatic schools and were extremely boring and uninformative.

        You obviously never saw in your life Peryshkin’s course in Physics for public school, neither you know what Skanavi prep for universities are, and never saw how the level of physics by, say, Gianccoli for young scientists (standard university course) compares to this school course. II will omit here Kholomogorov’s math. text books. In conclusion, here is a quote from the father of US nuclear navy to US Congress:

        …part of the “best schools in the world” myth was the claim that American textbooks were the envy of the world. Rickover had difficulty locating these non-Americans who were so envious. On the contrary, he cited numerous foreign analyses of American school curricula and textbooks which found them to be “bland, superficial, and repetitive”. Under the shocking impact of
        Russian scientific successes, Soviet mathematics and science texts were being translated for use by
        American students because no similar approach to the subject matter was available. Many of these
        translated texts were being used in American colleges although the Soviets were using them
        with 14-year-olds in their ten-year schools.

        But you handle Likbez and this:

        As emigrants from the USSR told me, programming courses were simply dismal, and graduates essentially learned the craft of the jobs, not at universities.

        Explain well that you have no idea what STEM was in USSR and is in Russia. I’ll give you a hint–it is not just “computer science”.

        • Replies: @GeorgeG
      161. @Jim Christian

        Andrei! See this? I like it! Smells like peace!

        Yes, Jim. I read it and, in fact, even blogged on that. People are tired of non-ending wars for Israel, KSA, what have you.

      162. refl says:
        @AnonFromTN

        It is heartening that there are people who are expecting salvation from Germany. Let me tell you guys, it is GONE. And it is certainly not heroic to say this, but I can live with having past my service at an old peoples home, instead, and I can live with not sending my son off to a trench. And I absolutely subscribe to what Jim Christian said (thanks for his comments, as for quite some others! ), if you touch my wife or son, I will get wild, but the rest is not worth defending.

        But here is my thought: Agreed, that western and american military is today disfunctional and deluded about themselves. But they are absolutely superior when it comes to psyop. 9/11 was marvellously executed and to root up the whole middle east and pump the destitute people from there into Europe to blow it up, that is quite something.

        From that perspective, Russiagate is a gift. If any argument was still needed to tell the peoples of the world that the western empire is terminaly deranged, that is it.

        Peace to all of you.

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      163. Pandour says: • Website

        Why does not this wanna- be-philosopher Saker, a transplanted Russian who refuses to give his real name and who is enjoying the benefits of living in the U.S. not even mention the two wars in Chechnya and the criminal toll of civilian casualties inflicted by the Russian invaders.In the 2nd Chechnya war alone,unofficial sources estimate a range of 25,000 to 50,000 dead and missing,mostly civilians.The Russian government REFUSED to pursue any accountability process for crimes by Russia during the two conflicts.Dozens of mass graves have been uncovered since the first Chechen in 1994.As of 2008 there were 57 registered mass graves in Chechnya.Russian policy to the mass graves is not to exhume them.As a microcosm on March 5th 2000 eight year old Taisa Abrakaova,her face burnt almost beyond recognition spoke of the day when her father,her two brothers,and her sister and two cousins were slaughtered by Russian forces-among 363 people from the village of Katyr Yurt who were wiped out.The war caused the displacement of 450,000 people,45 per cent of the Chechen population.Of 428 villages in Chechnya,380 were criminally bombed and shelled by the Russians during the two conflicts leaving a 70 per cent destruction of households.Following the Russian occupation,thousands were killed,tortured and raped by Russian paramilitary forces.Case in point in the village of Aidi on Feb. 5th 2000 Russian forces killed at least 60 civilians and raped at least six women.Those murdered included an eighty-year-old woman,a one-year-old boy and a twenty-nine-year-old mother, who was eight months pregnant.But for this Saker,Russia is all sweetness and light.How can such an individual portray himself as some sort of moral authority and arbitrator.

      164. @likbez

        Thank you, that was a very informative comment. As bad as those Soviet schools sound though, I think most American colleges are currently worse.

      165. EoinW says:
        @RadicalCenter

        The scenario is presented in a vacuum and guilty of normalcy bias. The assumption is that the US and it’s allies will not be changed by events on the ground. The first bomb dropped could set off an economic whirlwind which changes the western world profoundly. War with Iran will not be another TV War. It will be a war too many for the American Empire as there will be significant costs to be paid.

        Also the casual suggestion of using tactical nukes is a version one can expect the MSM to present. The cost of going nuclear will be far more serious. The propaganda machine can try to cover this up but half the people in the West don’t buy their lies any longer. Plus the lie about the moral superior of the West will be lost forever.

        Russia won’t risk nuclear war over Iran for obvious reasons. However both the Russians and the Chinese have economic weapons they could use without risking the end of humanity.

        Seriously, you really think any decent person will tolerate Americans or Jews if they use nukes? The Fed will need to be endlessly printing money because the only friends will be the ones they can buy. One might make the point that today the Jews/Americans only friends are bought.

      166. @refl

        I don’t expect a salvation from Germany, just a bit of sane policies (although that means that Germany must stop being US vassal).

        Still, Germany did not seem to me as dead as you imply. I must confess that although I was in Germany many times in the last 5-6 years, the longest visit was ~10 days (I taught a short course to grad students), so my impressions might not be quite representative. Also, all my visits were before Merkel invited hordes of savages.

        In the next couple of years I have to be there for a semester (as Mercator Professor), so I’ll have a chance to get a better feel for the place. I do hope that Germany is not dead, maybe just dazed. We’ll see. Russian joke is that Putin is the last German man, but I hope it is not as bad as that.

        • Replies: @refl
      167. @Pandour

        Copy and paste comment, but still. Shining city on the hill is so eaten through by parasites , that is only a Swiss cheese. So there is nothing there to talk about. (impeachment)

      168. Anon[972] • Disclaimer says:
        @AnonFromTN

        Well, there is some question about this secrecy. Unz review has provided many examples of things successfully kept secret for a long time.

        Also, there is a thing about being able to shut down air travel very rapidly, as we have an example of already.

        So I’m not convinced that it is impracticable.

        There is the example of the multi drug resistant bacteria related human deaths in Germany. The bacteria had to be the result of selection using drugs. ie they could not have been native pathogens, but had to come from a lab.

        There appears to be lots of examples.

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
        , @Anon
      169. @Pandour

        Dr. Goebbels was right: propaganda is a powerful weapon.

        I won’t go into every episode, just say that the level of truthfulness of the accounts you mentioned varies between 0% and 50%. I have no doubt that Russian army committed atrocities in the 1st Chechen war, although Chechen rebels committed at least as many (their taking hostage of the patients of the hospital in Budyonovsk was just one example). In the 2nd Chechen war the atrocities were delegated to Chechens Putin lured to his side.

        But the key point is, in the last 20 years the US Army and its hired “private” thugs committed a lot more atrocities then the Russian army ever did. Abu-Graib is just one example. The atrocities in Iraq were so bad that Black Water had to rebrand itself Academy. I am not even talking about numerous weddings bombed by the US in Afghanistan, or feeding US intelligence to Saudis conducting genocidal war in Yemen. None of this stops the US from lecturing others about human rights. Russia and China have 10 times more moral authority to do so. Yet they do not, which is wise. The US elites do, which is extremely unwise: this undermines whatever credibility the US has left.

      170. utu says:
        @likbez

        I think your assessment of Soviet education system in hard sciences is very correct. This lead to unbalanced employment structure where there were thousands of mathematicians and physics who were basically useless and underutilized. Way too many of them women. They had math departments with thousands of mathematicians at Arzamas-16 and other research secret centers who had really nothing to do. So they were killing their time with drinking tea, celebrating birthdays daily and going to shops to stand in lines. An extreme waste of human capital. The human capital, the so called Soviet man was seduced by this demoralization of laziness and cheating and reduced to the state of mind of conniving passive-aggressive muzhik, the qualities that you have in a full display in Comrade Martyanov.

        • Replies: @FB
      171. @Anon

        You don’t need labs for that. MDR bacteria are inadvertently selected for in hospitals. The whole MDR thing is just one protein, a transporter, that throws multiple drugs out of bacterial cytoplasm. Bacterial evolution is very fast, one generation for them is ~20-30 min. I.e., 24 h for bacteria are equivalent to ~1-1.5 thousand years for fast-breeding humans, or even more for the civilized ones.

        • Replies: @Anon
        , @Anon
      172. GeorgeG says:
        @Andrei Martyanov

        I was wondering when this would come up… Rickover. But, Andrei, I have to disagree on a not so minor point: Rickover’s concern for education, educational methods and content, was persistent and his testimony — I believe it was three days of no-manuscript / off-the-cuff testimony to the US Senate — crystallized not only his own research into Soviet math-science education, the principles he laid out were key to his own formation of the organization that built the nuclear subs. This was no “side-line”. I.e., when he reported to the Senate about Soviet methods, he was essentially describing his own daily work. Or at least that is what my father, one of the first 15 engineers Rickover recruited to the nuclear-team, told me … among the many things he related about his own work and Rickover that was no secret. Rickover contended that US STEM teaching material was generated by reality-challenged professors for fellow dummies (I can’t remember whether I ever asked my father whether Rickover said it that way when he was in the Senate, but that is how my father told the story) who would dish out grades based on “correct answers” to pre-given problems and formulas, whereas Soviet material inculcated a practice with fundamental principles, and exams were designed to have the candidate generate a solution, based on these principles, to a problem that had not been addressed “in class”. Rickover stressed two points to his own team in this respect: first, the team’s work was completely new territory, so there were no “bookshelf” answers that could be learned, and people who had learned their science or engineering from “dummies” could not function in a team. So Rickover usually paid little attention to a candidate’s previous schooling or experience. He knew he had to build a completely new “school”. — I won’t describe his “recruit-interviews”: they were hilarious.

        Rickover hated meetings. Each sub-team had its own problems and its own work. Rickover would only accept to attend a meeting if a sub-team ran into a problem that required input from other teams. If and when 2-3 teams had to come together, the meeting typically lasted 15 minutes: Rickover was always mysteriously informed of every detail of each team’s work, and he would usually say ‘try this or that, and if that solves the problem, report it immediately; if not, we’ll meet next week.’ The initial prototype reactor was way down south, Antarctica, that was my father’s baby. That meant he had to be not only an engineer — initially a meager civil engineer, then nuclear, then for the control systems also electrical and electronic — he had to build his own team. It worked, then they had to scale it to fit in a submarine. And it was out these teams that the US somehow got a civilian nuclear power industry. Standard text-books? — They didn’t exist.

        I can confirm Rickover’s twin ideas from my own experience with Soviet-trained Russian and East German engineers after the fall of the Berlin Wall in West Germany. — And, by the way: do you know how West German engineers pass exams? They procure, buy or steal 5 years’ worth of previous exams in a certain course with the same professor, memorize all the questions and the answers the professor requires as “correct”, and march into the exam room. In the old days of the Dipl.-Ing. I had one case of a student who did his Diplomarbeit/ Masters Thesis on the Lambda-Sensor for exhaust systems in IC engines. He went for an interview at a major German auto company, and everything went fine for a while, everyone seemed to agree that his thesis was impressive… full of data-tables and equations, until the chief engineer of the department asked the candidate to tell him how Lambda-Sensors function. He didn’t know.

      173. Anon[972] • Disclaimer says:
        @Anon

        Actually there is another thing: US has mass vaccination campaigns already. It is very easy for the corporate-government complex to keep the contents secret.

      174. @likbez

        My impressions are quite different. When I compare my school in the USSR with my daughter’s school in the US, Soviet school beats American hands down. Mind you, my comparison is an ordinary school in Lugansk, not some privileged outfit in Moscow.

        Her college was at the same level as mine. I went to the Moscow State University and she went to Yale, so there is parity there. Except that in the USSR I did not pay anything, even got a stipend, whereas I paid through the nose for her college in the US. BTW, only ~2% of American college students go to Ivies or equivalent, most go to Shithole State Universities.

        I see the results every year in our graduate program: when you write an equation, students from China and Russia are happy, as equations have predictive value, whereas the jaws of American students drop, as it appears that they’ve managed to go through college without ever seeing an equation.

      175. @GeorgeG

        Consider also Rick going for his math-physics school with its well trained grads being called Rickoids. Rick quote that clear and present danger for the United States are Soviet public schools is still famous for people who one way or another related to serious manufacturing and research fields. But apart from Rickover, so much material, including famous Time magazine expose’ has been produced that I am still surprised that people can not find a simple causality between Soviet/Russian education and Russian aerospace, nuclear or military-industrial achievements.

        whereas Soviet material inculcated a practice with fundamental principles, and exams were designed to have the candidate generate a solution, based on these principles, to a problem that had not been addressed “in class

        That is why on the level of Standardized Test (EGE) in Russia:

        1. There was a huge, still is, resistance to multiple choice answers. Even, though, EGE academically often equals or surpasses US Advanced Placement tests, but even EGE contains such sections as “Show the solution”;
        2. Tens or Russian leading, primarily STEM, institutions regained their right to hold own entrance exams, especially Math, Physics, Chemistry and Language/Literature. This was the smartest decision they could have made.

      176. Anon[972] • Disclaimer says:
        @AnonFromTN

        Hospitals are labs.

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
      177. Anon[972] • Disclaimer says:

        There’s something going on here, parallel to the Thompson articles on intelligence. Genes or inheritance? (or both, but what proportions?) Big name school or the student? Students learn in spite of teachers?

      178. @Anon

        In my book, labs are places doing something on purpose. Hospitals simply create the environment where something they don’t want happens.

      179. refl says:
        @AnonFromTN

        Russian joke is that Putin is the last German man

        There certainly are great jokes in Russian, and it is a shame that most people here will have no chance of getting them. Good humor arises with the amount of contrarian life experience.

        As for Germany, it would be interesting to know what you think about it. The current immigration assault, I see it as warfare against a subdued enemy, who just might once upon a time step out of line. If this ever got through to the political class here, their lives would fall apart, as everything they have ever learned is centered on following the US – which itself does not know, how to get on.

        Actually, I see the best hope in the more educated portion of our imigrants. They have put a life’s work into becoming part of a decent, functioning society and now they see their adopted home comit suicide right in front of their eyes.
        Until the imigrant calamity went off, I was basically the most benevolent and liberal that you can imagine, maybe even stupid. Intergration, a federalized Europe – it just could have worked out. What is happening now is outright sabotage.
        As if to prevent that a habitable country with its own backbone ever arises.

      180. Anon[972] • Disclaimer says:

        The entire country, US, is a lab. An enormous set of experiments is being run on the population, diet/nutrition, vaccinations, ag chemicals, pharmaceuticals, etc. And it is on purpose! In hospitals too. Perhaps no other country on earth has so many experiments being run on the whole population.

        • Agree: Desert Fox
      181. The ‘overwhelming successes’ in Afghanistan and Iraq are all I need to know about the real power of the ‘mighty’ US army.

      182. Smith says:

        Blah blah blah RUSSIA STRONK, DON’T ATTACK US OKAY?

        Even if Russia isn’t strong, nobody would bother attacking it as long as it doesn’t try to attack someone else (like Ukraine for example).

        The USSR was a fearsome power, true, but modern Russia is fucking broke. Their active support still means blusters in Ukraine, a war that Putin himself backs out of, despite all the meme-ing about Russia STRONK military.

      183. @Smith

        There is a Ukrainian joke about it. An émigré calls his acquaintance in Ukraine:
        – So, how is Ukraine doing?
        – Ukraine is at war with Russia.
        – And how is it going?
        – Ukraine lost thousands of soldiers, hundreds of guns, dozens of tanks and aircraft…
        – What about Russia?
        – You won’t believe it, but Russia never showed up for the war.

        • LOL: Daniel Rich, bluedog
        • Replies: @Smith
      184. peterAUS says:
        @Smith

        Yes…………………………………..

        As in:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction

        A quote or two:

        -Current strategic arsenal 1,600
        -Cumulative strategic arsenal in megatonnage 663.5-801.5 (2016.est)
        (Variability occurs because of uncertainty about SS-18 yields)
        -Maximum missile range Intercontinental up to 16,000 kilometers

        Points 1 and 2 in particular. BTW, Hiroshima was 20 kilotons.
        Just saying…..

        Ah, yes, and this:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_biological_weapons_program#The_post-Soviet_era

        A quote or two too:

        ….the fate of the former Soviet bio-agents and facilities, is still mostly undocumented.

        and

        …2000-2009: The academician, “A.S.”, proposed a new biological warfare program, called the “Biological Shield of Russia” to president Vladimir Putin. The program reportedly includes institutes of the Russian Academy of Sciences from Pushchino

        with

        Marburg virus
        ….The new strain, called “Variant U”, had been successfully weaponized and approved by the Soviet Ministry of Defense in 1990

        Now…….what do you think, how many chickenhawks even think about the “topic” above? Honestly?
        I’d say………10 %. Tops.

        All good, a?

        • Replies: @Anon
      185. @Andrei Martyanov

        And with this statement you expose the major flaw and failure of your thinking.

        Rumsfeld along with Cheney may have been THE MOST qualified to make strategic decisions at that particular time is US history given their positions and access to information the previous 30 years.

        It definitely didn’t look that way in 2006. But 17 years after the second invasion of Iraq, with Iraq more or less in the US bloc along with Saudi Arabia and the other Sunni, oil-exporting nations of the Gulf AND with Iraq pumping a record 6 million barrels a day AND with most of that oil going to Asia including China AND along tanker routes controlled by the US Navy – well things look a little different – kinda like Rumsfeld and Cheney knew what they were doing.

        No oil and the lights go out in China.

        • Troll: bluedog
        • Replies: @bluedog
      186. The USSR was a fearsome power, true, but modern Russia is fucking broke.

        I wonder what the ISIS’ take on Russia’s military power is…?

      187. @Smith

        On behalf of the House Intelligence Committee and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, I would like to invite you to contribute your services as a consultant. Remuneration per agreement.

      188. Smith says:
        @AnonFromTN

        Yeah, Russia never shows up, just russians like Motorola.

        I guess when russians die, Russia don’t consider them as loss. Irony considering the whole war started because Russia feels russians are threatened.

        @Daniel Rich
        The same way Afghanistan felt about Soviet weapons.

        Lot of noises.

        @PeterAUS:
        It’s all cool but Russia have never tested these weapons. I doubt they even work.

        But there’s no point in trying it out.

      189. @Smith

        Simple fact is, when Russia shows up for the war, the results are dramatic. Say, in Syria Russia did show up, and that turned the tide of the war. Even limited Russian interference resulted in catastrophic defeat of KSA-sponsored US-supplied bandits. Assad regained at least 2/3 of the territory. Israeli plan of turning Syria into a bunch of impotent warring Bantustans failed miserably.

        Here is another Ukrainian joke (not for you, for the honest readers):
        – You say that Crimea is yours, so, why don’t you fight for it?
        – We are not crazy, there are Russian troops there.
        – But you say that there are Russian troops in Donbass, yet you fight?
        – That’s what we say, but in Crimea, there really are Russian troops.

        • Replies: @Andrei Martyanov
        , @Smith
      190. @AnonFromTN

        Here is another Ukrainian joke

        My favorite is when two svidomys Mykola and Petro talk to each-other:
        -Mykola, let’s go and kill us some Moskals
        -Petro, but what if Moskals will kill us?
        -Kill us? What for?

        • Replies: @Ilyana_Rozumova
      191. bluedog says:
        @Johnny Rico

        And 18 years and counting they are still the freaking mess we created with our endless lies and propaganda.As Nixon said about Rumsfeld “he’s a nasty bastard ain’t he” and that went for that whole administration of losers and deceiver’s and those who think they were great achiever’s,!!!

      192. Smith says:
        @AnonFromTN

        Weird, I thought Russia didn’t show up in the Ukraine war, or did they now?

        The Syrian war is a multiple sides effort, and not just Russia. Russia itself wouldn’t get anything done if not for the cooperative SAA.

        Israel meanwhile just wants to prolong the conflict.

        It seems russians are pretty good at joke though, just not actual fighting, which is why they are immediately stalemated in Ukraine, and they can only make headways in “bombing terrorists” like NATO has been in the Middle east for years and years.

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
        , @Plato's Dream
      193. Anon[138] • Disclaimer says:
        @AnonFromTN

        Well, maybe there is a little more to it than “The whole MDR thing is just one protein,…”

        “Antimicrobial resistance mechanisms fall into four main categories: (1) limiting uptake of a drug; (2) modifying a drug target; (3) inactivating a drug; (4) active drug efflux.”

        The modification of drug targets was a thing tugging in my mind, saying something is wrong with the over simplified explanation.

        https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6604941/

      194. @Smith

        Fact is, SAA, assisted by Iranians and Hezbollah, was losing the war to bandits. They started winning after Russia got involved. Despite all the support that ISIS and other bandits, including Syrian brand of Al-Qaida, Al-Nusra, got from the US, Israel, and other shameless sources, like spineless Europeans, KSA, and other Gulf satrapies.

        • Replies: @Smith
      195. peterAUS says:
        @Smith

        Well, you are either a troll or an idiot. Never mind. On the list.

        Some other people reading this thread could find this useful:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

        Among other things worth knowing when Russia is concerned, in the current paradigm.

        Saker and Martyanov do have their hearts in the right place. They are making a fundamental mistake in this “dick measurement” approach, though. That method could actually produce the very results they don’t want.

        The ONLY way to influence the public in the West re conflict with Russia is FEAR. A specific type of fear. The fear of nuclear Armageddon.

        It’s a bit puzzling that they, and the owner of this pub, men of a certain age, do not remember those protests in 80’s in Europe.

        Instead of producing this material perhaps much more beneficial would be producing a book, article, debate about a nuclear conflict between the USA and Russia.

        THAT, and only that would twitch an ordinary Westerner out of his/her stupor. Members of ‘chattering class’ that is.
        For lower strata replying “The Day After” and, for Europeans, “Threads”, on a weekly basis, would do the trick.
        Hopefully.

        • Replies: @refl
        , @EoinW
      196. refl says:
        @peterAUS

        The ONLY way to influence the public in the West re conflict with Russia is FEAR. A specific type of fear. The fear of nuclear Armageddon.

        It’s a bit puzzling that they, and the owner of this pub, men of a certain age, do not remember those protests in 80’s in Europe.

        I remember those times very well, because I grew up in the middle of it. Every afternoon, between 2 and 3 pm you would hear the boom of some British (we lived in the northern part) jet breaking the sound barrier during their afternoon practice after tea time. Small children on the farms outside the city would throw themselves on the ground screaming, because the British occasionally used the farmhouses for target practise. In wintertime, you heard the roaring from far away across the fields, when they were keeping the runway free of ice, because they , well, had to be prepared to take on the Russians at any minute.
        Occasionally, a pilot would lose control of his jet and it went down right next to some farm. You would visit the site a few days later. Every autumn, there were the regular manouvers, when you saw tanks roling by on the city bypass for days on end.
        And then you were bombarded endlessly with stories about the effect of nuclear war, how long it would take from launch to impact, what would happen to your place, if a nuclear bomb of this or that size expolded above some mayor city, as far as 100 km from your own place. And that in a country where you knew that hundreds of thousands had died in conventional bombings, and you must not mention them, because they were the evil ones and you were their offspring.

        At school, you would read books in class about nuclear war (well, if there was spare time left, when you did not read books about evil Nazis). And your very liberal teachers would pump you up with fear ever more. You picked up a newspaper and you read about some crazy thing that Ronald Reagan had said again about SDI and so on.
        I came of age in sync with the end of the cold war and it might have been the best time ever for a teenager in West Germany then – at the age of 12 you came to understand that the world was sick, and when you turned 20, the sickness had been healed. Voilà, the existence of progress in human nature had been proven and you were the living example that it was there! Today, with Russians you better not even mention the name of Michail Gorbatchev, but there was a reason, why people in Federal Germany were freaking out about him.

        This was an experience so mighty that it took me decades to understand that we were all being conned. In the crosshairs of the Western Overlords there never were the Soviets for real. It was decoy, but a dangerous one at that. The Cold war was aimed at us, the people. It was us who had to learn that without our Masters we would be taken over by Russkiecommies or whatever it was supposed to be.
        Only when I got to live in the east I learned that people in that part of Germany were living there ordinary lives, not quite the level of consumption that we had, but mentally healthier, if only they managed to stay out of the way of their idiot party officials.

        As a Westerner, you had the chance to get drunk on your wealth. That is being taken away now. The cold war is being reinstalled. So it is time for a reassesment.

      197. peterAUS says:

        O.K.

        I was, actually, thinking about:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pershing_II#Protests

        Or, just follow this trend of “who has a bigger dick” as it is.

        Sooner or later you’ll have this, IMHO:
        Reaction time 7 minutes. You know, decision-making time to say “launch” or not.
        The decision-maker in the White House, Downing Street and Elysees Palace either a geriatric or one of this new multiracial breed. Just think about those people……

        Add to that the level of overall expertise by the crews manning those systems, its maintenance etc.
        Add increased automation of some parts of the launch process with hardware/software as it’s produced now (you know, quality control etc.).

        It will take a miracle not to have that launch sooner or later. Not big, say….80 KT.
        What happens after that is anybody’s guess.
        Mine, taking the second point from the fourth paragraph…….a big bang.

        The only way to prevent it, IMHO, is having a Western public shifting just 5 % of their “breads and circuses” paradigm to that issue. Just 5.
        Not holding my breath I am afraid.

        My 2 cents, anyway.

      198. Anon[138] • Disclaimer says:
        @peterAUS

        The rational actor false supposition has it that the biologics can’t be used because they don’t recognize friend from foe.

        Rational actors? Where? Anthrax via the US mail.

        One rational actor point of view is that you have to be able to respond to anything. Anything. In a measured or escalating response. Of course biologics are being actively pursued to the hilt. Just like you point out about Marburg.

        But, the view from above is that general panic in the population cannot be allowed, and so all biologics have to be down played. “of course we would never do anything like that, it would be insane to endanger all of humanity”. Just like nukes. So professors pontificate misdirection, and pundits punt.

        So don’t expect real disclosure, or honest analysis. “We only want the fear that results in more appropriations. Not the fear that sinks programs.” Don’t generate new Church commissions. Hence the fine line. some fear yes, other fears, no.

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      199. @Smith

        @Daniel Rich – The same way Afghanistan felt about Soviet weapons. Lot of noises.

        I’ll pass your message on to all the dead takfiri terrorists and those about to be killed in Idlib and see what they have to say about those ‘noises.’

        Soviet Union 1970/1980 doesn’t equal Russia 2015/2019/2020.

        Syria before Russian intervention [2015]

        Syria after Russian [ongoing] intervention [2019]

        Yes, lots of ‘noises.’

      200. peterAUS says:
        @Anon

        Rational actors? Where?

        Well…Washington D.C.
        Hahahahaha…sorry, couldn’t resist.

        So don’t expect real disclosure, or honest analysis.

        I don’t.

        But I also probably forgot more about nuclear war than most of readers here will ever know.
        And chemical, when you think about it; had a kit with atropine on me all the time in all exercises.

        We didn’t practice much that “biologics” stuff, though. We knew why, then. Same reason for today. Call it a “stoic option” to own inevitable demise.

        Now, there is a big difference between the age of those protests I mentioned and today. The Internet.
        The access to information people, then, simply didn’t have.

        Which proves the main point of mine: access to information means shit in the real world of power play. Sheeple didn’t care then; they care even less now (better distractions).

        Well, they will care, I am sure. For about……..say………in the USA……..several hours, on average.

        We here where I am typing from will care for “how to survive the aftermath”….. for two months.Tops.

      201. FB says: • Website
        @Jim Christian

        Jim…I’ve been appreciating your comments here…

        As for that Russian piece…interesting read…you can translate it using google translate, or open in chrome browser and click translate…maybe this link will pull up the translated version for you…

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      202. FB says: • Website
        @EoinW

        Tactical nukes.

        Don’t you know that Potatohead Pete is clinically retarded…?

        How would the US or anyone else DELIVER those tactical nukes on Iranian targets…?

        The only tactical nuke the US currently possesses is the B61 GRAVITY bomb, which can only be launched from aircraft…this includes heavy bombers [B52] to light fighters [F16 etc]…

        How do those crewed aircraft penetrate Iran’s formidable air defenses…?

        And then fly unmolested for several hundred kilometers through Iranian airspace to drop these gravity bombs on their inland targets…?

        It would be akin to a Kamikaze mission, with no actual chance of making it to your target…

        This is the kind of stupidity we get here on a regular basis from Potatohead Pete…

      203. FB says: • Website
        @utu

        I think your assessment of Soviet education system in hard sciences is very correct. This lead to unbalanced employment structure where there were thousands of mathematicians and physics who were basically useless and underutilized.

        And what exactly would you know about hard science to begin with fool…I doubt you could solve a triangle if your silly life depended on it…

        As an aerospace engineer who has worked extensively with Russian colleagues and at top Russian institutions that you have no idea even exist [much less what goes on in there]…I can tell you there is a reason why Russia is the only nation in the world to have hypersonic weapons…scramjet engines…advanced rocket engines that the US has to buy in order to launch its spy sats and other vital payloads…not to mention the only country to be able to put people into space for the last decade…or even the ISS, which would not even exist were it not for Russian technology…

        Russia still graduates twice as many engineers as the US…despite half the population…and as many STEM graduates [which is a much wider and far less relevant grouping]…

        What do you think all those people are doing…going to tea parties…?

        I’d like to know what you do for a living [other than flatulating endlessly on this forum]…it would be only fair, since you have the brass to mock Mr Martyanov…who is a former naval officer and graduate of an elite military school…as well as an accomplished author and genuine expert on military affairs…

        So please…go ahead and tell us about your hard science ‘credentials’ won’t you…plus the ‘cutting edge’ work you must surely be involved with…[ie ‘picking’ orders at an Amazon warehouse…]

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      204. utu says:
        @FB

        A typical butthurt reaction from sovoks like you and Martyanov.

      205. FB says: • Website
        @Pandour

        Your rant about Chechnya is irrelevant bullshit…

        Firstly…Chechnya is today a peaceful and prosperous land that lives quite harmoniously and happily, so what are you complaining about…?

        Second…you don’t seem to mention things like the Beslan school siege, where hundreds of innocent children were massacred by your Islamist buddies…plus numerous other acts of terrorism such as the 2010 Moscow Metro bombings…the 2011 Domodedovo airport bombings and many others…which killed many dozens of innocent people going about their daily lives…

        Not to mention the Metrojet airliner bombing in Egypt in 2015…killing all 217 souls on board…

        During the Chechnya unrest this Islamist terrorism was supported by the US intel [and its accomplices]…Putin raised this with George W Bush at the time, who said he would ‘kick the ass’ of any involved…but…

        …in the end, Putin said the Russian intelligence agency FSB received a letter from its ‘American counterparts’ who asserted their right to ‘support all opposition forces in Russia,’ including the Islamic separatists in the Caucasus.”

        So this is about state-sponsored terrorism and Russia has a right to defend itself…in any case, the shoe may one day be on the other foot…although I doubt Russia will do anything but lend support to the US, if and when the inevitable terrorist blowback comes home to roost…or new terrorist and separatist forces emerge on US soil…for instance Hispanic separatism in states where they will soon be a majority…

        In other words…you’re a kook…

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      206. Mikel says:

        Sounds like an interesting book. I’ve been meaning to download and read it for some time now.

        The problem, though, is that I have read too many comments by its author on this site and I cannot trust this man’s judgement. In fact, if you read one or two of Andrei’s comments you can pretty much skip the rest, as they all follow the same predictable pattern. The US is in a state of deep decay, Russia is better at all levels and improving at an incredible pace (you have to believe that this is an impartial assessment, which has nothing to do with his transparent Russian jingoism…) and if someone contradicts his views his Pavlovian response is to dismiss his opponent on the grounds that he doesn’t have the necessary credentials (as if being a Soviet Navy officer was the pinnacle of academic achievement) or, worse still, accuse him of being a “paid troll”. Being myself regularly accused of being a “Russian troll”, I just don’t have any patience left for people who use that line of argumentation.

        To make matters worse, now this book receives high praise from his friend Saker. I believe that in times past the Saker was able to write some interesting and novel thoughts from time to time (although I may have overvalued them, now I am not sure). But that ability seems to have disappeared and his posts are now equally repetitive and increasingly full of his obscure obsessions, such as the Franks, the Papist conspiracies, etc.

        For the time being, I’ll pass on the book. But a sober, factual assessment of the current state of military technology and the new Russian weapons, if any exist, would be a very interesting read.

        • Replies: @peterAUS
        , @FB
        , @utu
      207. EoinW says:
        @peterAUS

        I doubt there is any twitch left in them. Pigs have been shipped to slaughterhouses for decades. Yet, even though the pig is an intelligent animal, they still can’t figure out what’s going on. They keep making the same trip to the slaughterhouse.

        Do you think westerners, at this stage, are more intelligent? Yes humans have the ability to reason so we should be smarter than pigs. However the willful ignorance is astounding. It’s being fully embraced by practically every westerner.

        When I was little the Vietnam War was happening. I couldn’t have cared less about it. Give me my toys and my cartoons on tv and three daily meals and lots of candy. That’s all that mattered. As for anything beyond that…no worries, that’s what my parents were for.

        Aren’t we the society which decided not to grow up? We couldn’t care less about Russia or Iran. Give us our smart phones and computers and sports on tv, lots of junk food to eat(who cares about GMOs so long as it tastes good and our stomach is full) and anything else needed to satisfy our instant gratification. Regarding everything else…no worries, that’s what our government is for. Big Brother never had it so good.

        I’m not expecting to see any twitching until it’s too late.

      208. FB says: • Website
        @Mikel

        …a sober, factual assessment of the current state of military technology and the new Russian weapons, if any exist, would be a very interesting read.

        Of course they don’t exist…it’s all an elaborate hoax, don’t you know…every country does this…they announce test flights of hypersonic, intercontinental-range, maneuverable weapons [which flights can be easily tracked by peer nations]…but of course it’s all a big joke…ha ha…

        –The War Zone: U.S. Inspectors Have Examined Russia’s Imminently Operational Hypersonic Missile

        Btw…back when some of these weapons were unveiled last year, I wrote some quite informative posts in the comments section of this website about the physics and engineering involved…I will be delving much more deeply into these interesting technical subjects on my website…

      209. @Commentator Mike

        Shoigu is too old. Even if he gets to the top, his rule would be too short. Besides, he performs well when someone (like Putin) makes strategic decisions for him. I am not sure he can make as many wise strategic decisions as Putin.

        • Replies: @FB
      210. utu says:
        @Mikel

        In fact, if you read one or two of Andrei’s comments you can pretty much skip the rest, as they all follow the same predictable pattern.

        Exactly.

      211. @FB

        Look forward to those studies.

      212. @FB

        As for that Russian piece…interesting read…you can translate it using google translate, or open in chrome browser and click translate…maybe this link will pull up the translated version for you…

        Jesus, cool, FB, thanks! Another reason I love this place. That Andrey Bezrukov is a cool read. The Russian translates a little stunted, but it’s better than the bits and pieces, as officially Google will only translate 3000 characters or some such. But then it isn’t that much. Google likely doesn’t want us scaring up too much opinion in Rissian

        Here’s hoping the Bigs of Russia, China and the rest understand the little people never wanted this shit between the US and others. Our military and intel and ‘diplomats’ push everyone overseas into a hideous corner and when it blows up, they try to go Stars and Stripes in blaming the victim. Ah, shit, I worked for them once, who am I to complain, right?

        I suggest everyone read General Smedley Butler’s War Is A Racket. He wrote it in the mid-thirties. He saw the con of WW1 (The World War, he called it), he laid out in absolute numbers the profit centers, the dollars and cents, the who, the how and the why millions suffer for the profit of ‘groups of the elite’, the bankers, this is a piece that could NEVER be written today. Even then they couldn’t name the problem. And he laid out in real terms the next war to follow, WW2. Every diplomatic maneuver a push for profit at the expense of war because everyone’s profit goes up hundred of percentage points if they can just get us into a war. He called himself a professional hitman that operated on behalf of gangsters every bit as criminal as Al Capone. Smedley Butler, the man was a gem. But that’s all over now.

        This, a decorated General. Now? There isn’t one with honor anywhere in our military. They won’t have it. And if one spoke out, they’d put a bullet in his brain. We could all make far more money without the wars, it’s hideous. These are the people that profit from killing people. And so, this.

        Thanks, FB..

        • Replies: @FB
      213. @FB

        You must remember, FB, but didn’t mention, and man, it’s cloaked, but didn’t some faction or another roll into a Russian theater 15 or 20 years back, or a concert hall and shoot it up, set off a bomb? If I recall, 500 or 600 people were killed by the time some attempt at rescue was done, no? Were not some of the attackers in that deal women? Was that not in Moscow? Your terrorist attack in groups, with motivation. And so, are hard to stop.

        Anyway, on that happy-fuckin’ note, Good Evening.

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        , @Daniel Rich
      214. FB says: • Website
        @AnonFromTN

        Yeah, but Shoigu’s a tough cookie who gives off the aura of not taking shit from anybody…especially a second-rate ‘superpower’ that thinks it can poke away at the bear at no cost or risk…

        I think this is the kind of man Russia needs at this time…a quick bloody nose can do wonders for delusional fools…

        Besides…sometimes you can actually be a bit too ‘wise’…

        Every man under Shoigu’s command would grow a couple of inches taller with him at the helm…an interesting bit of air to air footage here…

        And here’s the color commentary…most laypeople will assume that the F15 banked at the last second to get out of the way…but the Eagle pilot never even saw him coming from right on his six…

        The Russian Flanker actually rolled him over with the compressed airstream ahead of his aircraft [kind of like the snow piling up in front of a snow plow]…for any pilots here that have flown close formation you will know what I am talking about…you feel that guy behind you when he gets close enough, and he CAN tip you over…LOL

        You can see smart animals like Orcas have figured out this principle of fluid dynamics…watch them make a wave [by diving together in a formation] that washes a seal off an ice floe…

        The point is that Russian men in uniform are kind of frustrated with VVP’s turn the other cheek philosophy…they are rarin’ to go…it’s part and parcel of who and what they are…

        That Flanker pilot was obviously righteously pissed that the F15 decided to park right on the wing of Shoigu’s plane…and took immediate action that for sure left racing stripes on the other guy’s bloomers…LOL

      215. @GeorgeG

        Fascinating read, George. And, 99% of it over my head, but they were discussing methods, of course.

        Hey, maybe your Dad had a piece of this puzzle too, not that he probably talked about it. I have a question about the evolution of the nuclear powered carriers from Enterprise’s 8 reactors (of which we know only one of that class were built), to the design of only two reactors in the Nimitz class. Why was eight good and later, the Nimitz Class designed with only two? Simplicity? Survivability? Not that any of us thought any incident involving our ship would be anything resembling survivable when it came to reactors. I was a flight deck rat on Nimitz. I do recall they put the thing in drydock for two months for some kind of a leakage problem. We got a couple of months extra on the beach for that. From there it was off to the Med and IO for the hostage Not-Rescue in April 80. But something or other put Nimitz on the skids for a couple of months, say, 1979 or so. Would Rickover have been on top of that one, Nimitz being the first of the Class? It has certainly stood the test of time, it’s been bombing Third World Hellholes for fifty years now, or threatening to. Ford Class? Not so much.

        Good takes, George. Great read..

      216. FB says: • Website
        @Jim Christian

        Jim…I certainly do know War is a Racket…practically by heart…

        Those are our REAL enemies that Gen Butler talks about…not my Russian colleagues and friends I know and appreciate…

        BTW…I’m sure you know that a bunch of these corporate parasites tried to recruit Gen Butler into a plan to pull a coup on FDR…the good general played along and then exposed them…of course they were too big to take down and ended up trying to throw mud on him instead…

        I get quite a kick out of your unique writing style and phraseology…keep it up man…

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      217. @FB

        That Flanker pilot was obviously righteously pissed that the F15 decided to park right on the wing of Shoigu’s plane

        They used to be so courteous toward one another back in my day. The Bear was there, a pair of Tomcats met them, hung back on their tail and the Bear took their pics, did their listening. On return of those one day I asked the pilot of one of those escorts, he said no problem, just business and when it was over, the Toms pulled alongside and waved to the pilots in the Bear and bid them good day.

        Now? Everyone’s a tough guy, heh..Fighter jocks are psychos anyway. Tomcat jocks were possessed of a fast-running motor like no one else’s. Still, I’m sure they’re more professional with one another when everyone’s armed.

      218. @Andrei Martyanov

        I do understand many things.
        But I do not understand that Putin is giving up Donbas and Lugansk.
        They both have practically pure Russian population?
        Is it possible that Putin wants a fifth column?

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      219. @FB

        Nah, I’m just a mutt that thought (naively, it turned out, I, we, were all conned) when the Soviets went down and it was just Russia and it could all stand down, peace dividend, all that. That maybe it wasn’t inevitable, a nuclear war, it would be safe for my kid, her kids.

        Ya know, the promise that was made under MAD was that this was something that would kill the elites, too and so would never be undertaken. But by God, these assholes have evolved into a group that thinks it winnable–for them. Per General Butler, the rest will suffer.They can’t imagine it, but they will too.

        Even with FDR, they got their war. These days, I imagine the new President, all of them, end of inauguration day, all’s quiet around the White House and they invite the new President out for a ride. They then run across Memorial Bridge and follow the flame on Kennedy’s grave up to the site and show with a sweeping hand, just how much ROOM there is for another martyred President and his brother who say no to a war. Just a reminder of who is boss and who is not. These are the people that kill people after all.

      220. Mikel says:
        @FB

        You misunderstood. I do not doubt the existence of the new Russian weapons. I was wondering if any sober, impartial assessment of those weapons and the current military balance between superpowers exists.

        Btw, it is very interesting to see you defending Martyanov as an accomplished author and respected professional from an “elite” college. I still remember your bitter debate with him about the vulnerability of the Russian bases in Syria. Always true to his style, he also subjected you to some abuse. I have no expertise in military matters but the funny thing in that exchange was that, in my view, he was quite clearly right and you were wrong regarding the narrow topic of the Western powers being able to overwhelm the defenses of those bases and destroy them with a sufficiently large attack. However, he was desperately unable to defend this simple point and, instead, he engaged in all sorts of ad-hominem attacks and irrelevant obfuscation of the topic with a display of salvo theory mumble-jumble and pedantic mention of equations. You came on top by simply using proper English and much better dialectic skills.

        This is in fact the point I was trying to make. What does his over-the-top, arrogant debating style tell us about his credibility? What does his English language level after so many years living in the US denote about his intellect? How does Saker’s endorsement of his book help all of this?

        • Replies: @FB
      221. Smith says:
        @AnonFromTN

        What Russia was providing was air support and advisor teaching the SAA how to fight, as well as materiel and mercs which explain the russian casualties during the war. Turns out air support is vital in a modern conflict and the bandits don’t have no air support at all despite all the funding.

        It again doesn’t mean that Russia was singlehandlely beating up ISIS when it’s a multi-effort purpose. The actual Russia self-funded adventure in Ukraine ended in stalemate even when the Ukrainian state was woefully unprepared for war.

        @PeterAUS:
        I respect you as a sane commenter on the site but I have various doubt about Russian’s military capacity, which is always inflated everywhere on either sides because US wants to inflate the ruskie boogeymen, and Russia itself wants to appear tough to deter attacks.

        Either ways, if there is one I don’t doubt, or don’t need to doubt, is Russian nuclear capacity. I don’t want a war with Russia, I just want Russia to leave Ukraine, Poland and the Baltic alone.

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
        , @ivegotrythm
      222. @FB

        The point is that Russian men in uniform are kind of frustrated with VVP’s turn the other cheek philosophy…they are rarin’ to go…it’s part and parcel of who and what they are…

        After Turkey shot down a Russian Su-24 [2016] it looks to me [as an outsider] the Russian military responded by closing the ranks and be less inclined to turn cheeks. Even more so, after an Occupied Palestine plane caused the downing [by Syrian AA] of a Russian Il-20 plane.

        Although the political situation dramatically changed [in the former Soviet Union/Russia] between WWII and today, the fighting spirit remains the same. Only a suicidal fool would take on Russia militarily. If WWII is anything to go by on

        ‘How much Russia can take ‘it’ on the chin?’

        my answer is; much more than any nation is capable off.

        “You can dance with wolves all you want, but don’t f*** with a bear.” is a quote rumored to be on one of H.E. V.V. Putin’s T-shirts…

        • LOL: FB
        • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
      223. yurivku says:
        @Jim Christian

        another roll into a Russian theater 15 or 20 years back

        17

        Were not some of the attackers in that deal women?

        yes

        Was that not in Moscow?

        no

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_theater_hostage_crisis

        you can find some more here
        https://www.rt.com/news/moscow-blast-background-attacks/

        • Replies: @Jim Christian
      224. @Smith

        I just want Russia to leave Ukraine, Poland and the Baltic alone

        It is truly amazing how much BS imperial propaganda planted in the minds of even those people who strive to be honest. Let me set the record straight point-by-point.

        Syria. Russia provided air support and brains. The Empire provided air support to bandits a few times (say, near Deir-ez-Zor in 2018) but was reluctant to show its hand too clearly. It could not provide brains: you can’t provide what you don’t have.

        Poland. Russian interest in Poland is zero. If it were interested, NATO would have protected Poland exactly like the UK and France protected it in 1939. Poland is interested in Russia as a bogeyman creating a good pretext to beg for more money from the EU and the US.

        Baltics. Again, Russia is not interested in them. They are interested in Russia as a bogeyman, a pretext to beg for money from the EU and the US. What’s more, Russia is moving its exports from Baltic ports to its own. So, in ~5 years their railways and ports would have very little business. This will, no doubt, speed up their population loss. Even now it proceeds at the highest rate in Europe. Only the pseudo-state of Kosovo, created by the Empire and its vassals against all international rules, is ahead of them: it lost about 1/3 of the population already.

        Ukraine. There always were and there are Russian troops in Crimea, which never was Ukrainian and never will be. It tried to get out of the madhouse since 1991, succeeded only in 2014. Nobody was killed in Crimea exactly because Russian troops are there. In contrast, there are no Russian troops in Donbass, and thousands were killed there, most by Kiev war criminals. I grew up in Lugansk (now Lugansk People’s Republic), and I have lots of relatives and friends there. I know for a fact that Ukie criminals bombed and shelled the city for months. They hit the school I went to with a bomb, they hit the library where I borrowed books when I was in school with a shell. Thank goodness, by the end of 2014 Donbass freedom fighters pushed Ukies far enough from the city, so they can’t shell it any more. The feelings of the Donbass people living in territories under Kiev control were anti-Kiev to begin with, and became even stronger due to atrocities committed by Ukie occupiers. Just recently Kiev-appointed vice-mayor of Slavyansk (territory of Donetsk People’s Republic temporarily occupied by Ukraine) complained in social media that he was thrown out of a bar by customers and bouncers for protesting against Russian patriotic songs being played. There are many examples like that on the web.

        • Replies: @Smith
      225. @Ilyana_Rozumova

        But I do not understand that Putin is giving up Donbas and Lugansk.

        I don’t think Putin will ever abandon Lugansk and Donetsk. I suspect his original plan was to use Donbass as a lever to make Ukraine neutral, but he is likely aware now that this is not necessary. With the rest of Ukraine, as far as I can tell, he follows the wisdom that when you see your enemy committing suicide, do not interfere. He is waiting for Ukraine to kill itself and disintegrate. It’s on that path, but it would take years. He is trying to reduce the suffering of the people in Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics by pushing for a permanent ceasefire in the interim.

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      226. @yurivku

        Thanks. Another good bit of news, speaking of RT.

        https://www.rt.com/news/449281-idf-raid-syria-russia/

        They stay off shore in the Med and loose missiles. The S400 must make the Israelis…nervous. If they can down missiles, F-16s are easy meat. Missiles cheap, airplanes and ships expensive.

        • Agree: Ilyana_Rozumova
      227. @AnonFromTN

        I did catch on “Sorcha” some article that Putin did agree on “Reintegration”
        I did presume that it was into “Ukraine”
        Now there is article about Putin worries about “Revanchism”.
        So it unclear to me what is happening.

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      228. @Ilyana_Rozumova

        In a way, Ukies hate Minsk agreements for a reason: they essentially spell their capitulation after a catastrophic military defeat in 2014. “Reintegration” by Minsk agreements is a trick: Donbass retains its own military (which gets full amnesty) and controls its territory, which is loosely associated with Ukraine (mostly to allow Ukraine save face, or whatever remains of it) and conducts its own economic and foreign policy. Donbass military units become officially Ukrainian and retain control of the border with Russia. This is in essence forced federalization of Ukraine. Also, Donbass would have veto powers over stupid decisions made in Kiev.

        The agreements proscribe direct talks between Kiev and Lugansk and Donetsk on the settlement that satisfies all sides. I don’t think that Kiev will ever fulfil Minsk agreements. Unless the power of mad Ukies there ends and a sane government is installed. Which is unlikely, as their American overlords won’t take that graciously, after spending oodles of money on making Ukraine their lowly vassal. Putin does not recognize Donbass republics, pretending that he is for their “reintegration”. As Zakharchenko (the head of Donetsk People’s Republic, murdered by Ukie terrorists) said a few years ago, the only scenario of the return of Donbass to Ukraine is if Ukraine joins DPR. That pretty much sums it up.

        • Agree: FB
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      229. FB says: • Website
        @Mikel

        You’re a little confused…

        Now you say you ‘don’t doubt those Russian weapons exist’…

        But a minute ago you said…’if any actually exist’…

        There is no language that I am aware of where two diametrically opposite statements mean the same thing…

        As for my debate with Martyanov…I have said this before…he is a very capable naval man, but he is a little out of his depth when it comes to air combat…

        You have no depth at all, so no one really cares what you ‘think’…

        Just to reiterate here, for readers who may be wondering…you restate here the nonsensical idea that ‘western forces’ could ‘overwhelm’ Russian air defenses in Syria…

        Of course this doesn’t mean anything coming from someone who has zero knowledge or qualifications in the subject of air combat…but simple logic would say…well, if the west could do it, or could have done it…then why didn’t they…?

        After all, for many years everyone from the Potus on down and all the Euro lackeys were screaming ‘ASSAD MUST GO’ at the top of their lungs…but now they decide he can stay…[even though they ‘could have’ removed the Russians and forced Assad out…]

        Makes no sense does it…?

        And I’ll tell you why it makes no sense…because you are incapable of learning [specifically from that debate where I brought much relevant factual and historical information to bear…]

        Why was the collective west [19 Nato countries in all] not able to neutralize the tiny Serb air defenses of Vietnam era hardware, despite more than 1,000 Nato warplanes and 78 days of SEAD [suppression of enemy air defense]…and no Serbian air force to speak of…?

        The analysis from the USAF itself said that it was a ‘fortunate’ thing the Serbs didn’t have the S300…I quoted that analysis from Dr Ben Lambeth extensively in that debate…

        By focusing on their operational survival, Yugoslav air defences ceded a certain amount of air superiority to NATO forces.

        Yet the persistence of their credible SAM threat forced NATO to allocate greater resources to continued SEAD operations rather than conducting other missions, while Yugoslav AAA and MANPADS forced NATO aircraft to fly at 15,000 ft (4,600 m) or higher.

        NATO reportedly fired 743 HARMs during the course of the 78-day campaign, but could confirm the destruction of only 3 of the original 25 SA-6 batteries.

        At the same time, over 800 SAMs were fired by Yugoslav forces at NATO aircraft, including 477 SA-6s and 124 confirmed MANPADS, for the downing of only two aircraft and several more damaged.

        That’s paraphrasing from Lambeth as quoted in wikipedia…

        Of course it reads like the usual laundry list of excuses after a failed US military op…including the usual concern for ‘collateral damage’…while bombing hospitals, TV stations and even schools…

        Btw…one of those ‘damaged’ planes was another F117 ‘stealth’ fighter-bomber that was confirmed written off by USAF COl Everest Riccioni…[so it counts as killed in real air combat circles]…

        So the business of ‘taking out’ air defenses is not as simple as one might imagine while sitting in his mom’s basement…

        Yet now, according to fools like yourself, we are supposed to believe that a similar operation against Russia’s most modern air defenses would result in annihilation…

        First of all…who would participate in this attack on Russian air defenses in Syria…Germany [with its half dozen airworthy warplanes]…France…?

        So that leaves the US…and where would those US strike aircraft take off from…against Serbia they used Italy which was a short little hop across the Adriatic…

        Who in the Middle East is going to sign off on US taking off from their territory to attack Russia…?

        Exactly nobody…so that leaves carrier aviation…which is second rate…

        What about Russia’s response as they see that US is bringing in a strike force into the area…?

        Would they not fly in a good number of frontline fighter jets, piloted by some of the best combat airmen in the business…?

        What about Russian Awacs and electronic warfare aircraft, which are already in Syria anyway…little Serbia had none of that and was still able to go the distance standing on its feet…

        The real world facts may be somewhat different than what you may imagine…

        A strike mission of F/A18s taking off from US carriers would be a Kamikaze mission against the Russians in Syria…

        But let’s imagine for a moment that somehow the major Nato countries decided to go along and participate and they put together a similar strike force of 1,000 aircraft…

        How many Nato aircraft would be downed in the first hours of such a shootout…?

        Five…ten…twenty…?

        At what point does this completely destroy the US and Nato image of ‘air superiority’…?

        Russian Flanker pilots and S400 crews are just itching to paint little F16 symbols on the side of their equipment…even one little Serb air defense battery managed to paint three of those on the side of their missile launcher…LOL

        • Replies: @Mikel
        , @Daniel Rich
      230. Mikel says:
        @FB

        While everything you say may be true, it doesn’t contradict the specific fact that a sufficiently large amount of missiles would be capable of destroying or severely damaging the Russian bases of Khmeimim and Tartus, which is all Martyanov was claiming in his article.

        He did not claim that the air defenses would be destroyed, but the fixed installations they are protecting, which can obviously not avoid an arbitrary number of incoming missiles with a limited number of anti-missile projectiles. Israel is also unable to defend the cities neighboring Gaza even from the makeshift rockets launched from the strip.

        And the reason why the West has not attacked those bases is because they are not willing to risk the predictable Russian retaliation, which, as Martyanov said, would probably not even have to be nuclear to cause vast damage.

        Well, at least that is what everybody with some simple common sense in my universe believes. You have just revealed that you don’t inhabit that same universe by asking yourself why the US-NATO have not carried out that attack, which I guess explains why you’re having such a tremendous problem understanding what my expression “if any exist” referred to.

        While a bit cruel for my taste, your cartoons and jokes about other commenters have given me good laughs sometimes. I recognize your skills for that but this direct exchange with you is making me realize that you also have a very Martyanovian debating approach. Thanks anyway for reiterating one more time what you have already written on multiple occasions.

        • Replies: @FB
        , @FB
      231. @AnonFromTN

        Thank you! Thank you very much!
        I can see that you are the only one who really has a correct and comprehensive knowledge about what is happening in Ukraine. So US is only troublemaker and meddler. (Kibitz.)
        I guess Ukraine has a right to be independent state, But it should be Ukrainian federation.
        One thing still is bugging my mind, Was US excluded from Minks agreement, or US only voluntary ignored and refused to participate in Minks agreement.
        Russia is issuing passport for Ukrainians who want it, which means that automatically may become Russian citizens if they apply.
        My opinion is that Ukraine has no chance to survive unless they eliminate the power of Ukrainian Oligarchs .
        …………………………………….
        But I still wish them good luck.
        So unless US will be placing missiles and armies in Ukraine we should not worry.

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
      232. @Daniel Rich

        And also,

        “You can hug a tree all you like, but don’t let a double-headed eagle drop on your branches.”

        • LOL: Daniel Rich
      233. @FB

        Thanks for the amazing videos.

        “Wave…!”

        • Replies: @FB
      234. @FB

        A strike mission of F/A18s taking off from US carriers would be a Kamikaze mission against the Russians in Syria…

        On top of that: “The Russian military said on 13 March [2018 – DR] it would respond to any US strike on Syria, targeting any missiles and launchers involved in such an attack.

        I wonder how many US sailors are willing to be part of this ‘Sitting Duck’ strategy…

      235. @Jim Christian

        Also, don’t forget [about] the ‘Children of Beslan‘ – link to youtube

      236. FB says: • Website
        @Mikel

        Again…you are only digging yourself and your so-called ‘argument’ deeper into a hole…

        It’s not about keeping buildings or even airfields from being destroyed…a war or even a battle is a very simple thing…if you hold onto the real estate YOU WIN…

        Leningrad, the biggest and most ferocious battle in human history, saw the city completely destroyed…but it was immediately clear to everyone…even a child in London…that the Nazis were now finished…

        In today’s battlespace…holding onto the airspace IS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT…because that is how you hold onto the real estate, and also LIMIT the damage that that can be done to your fixed assets…

        If you say things that need correcting…then you may find that the correcting is somewhat EMPHATIC…think of a spectacular rejection in basketball…[no one likes to be on the receiving end of one of these, so I understand your kvetching…]

        But no…the reason the ‘west’ didn’t attack is not because they feared retaliation…it’s because they knew they could not take that airspace, nor the real estate underneath it…

        And the reason why they didn’t fear retaliation is because the foolish perfumed princes known as US ‘generals’ believe they posses escalation dominance…if Russia retaliated with a punch to the nose…they figured they would respond with a knee-capping…

        Martyanov’s books are valuable and interesting precisely because he understands this delusional thinking among the so-called ‘leadership’ class…and this is the main thing he brings to light…it doesn’t mean he can’t be a little bit off on certain nuanced and specialized subjects…

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      237. FB says: • Website
        @Mikel

        Again…you are only digging yourself and your so-called ‘argument’ deeper into a hole…

        It’s not about keeping buildings or even airfields from being destroyed…a war or even a battle is a very simple thing…if you hold onto the real estate YOU WIN…

        Leningrad, the biggest and most ferocious battle in human history, saw the city completely destroyed…but it was immediately clear to everyone…even a child in London…that the Nazis were now finished…

        In today’s battlespace…holding onto the airspace IS EVEN MORE IMPORTANT…because that is how you hold onto the real estate, and also LIMIT the damage that that can be done to your fixed assets…

        If you say things that need correcting…then you may find that the correcting is somewhat EMPHATIC…think of a spectacular rejection in basketball…[no one likes to be on the receiving end of one of these, so I understand your kvetching…]

        But no…the reason the ‘west’ didn’t attack is not because they feared retaliation…it’s because they knew they could not take that airspace, nor the real estate underneath it…

        And the reason why they didn’t fear retaliation is because the foolish perfumed princes known as US ‘generals’ believe they posses escalation dominance…if Russia retaliated with a punch to the nose…they figured they would respond with a knee-capping…

        Martyanov’s books are valuable and interesting precisely because he understands this delusional thinking among the so-called ‘leadership’ class…and this is the main thing he brings to light…it doesn’t mean he can’t be a little bit off on certain nuanced and specialized subjects…

      238. FB says: • Website
        @SeekerofthePresence

        Glad you liked that…I can’t get enough of Orcas…

        Here’s an even better one, showing more clearly how the ‘hydrodynamic science’ works…

        And here’s Rick Sanchez discussing that incredible air maneuver with a former fighter pilot…

        • Replies: @SeekerofthePresence
      239. @Ilyana_Rozumova

        Well, I was born in Lvov and grew up in Lugansk. I have relatives in Lvov, Kiev, and Lugansk, and acquaintances in several other regions of Ukraine. I know what’s going on there not from propaganda, but from real people. I had to evacuate my 90+ years old mother from Lugansk when Ukies shelled the city relentlessly. Naturally, via Russia, with the help of my relatives there.

        Ukraine had a chance to become a country and blew it miserably. If Ukrainian “presidents” cared about the country, rather then about lining their pockets (all of them, starting from the first one, Kravchuk, in 1991), Ukraine would follow the example of Switzerland. It would be a prosperous federation now with many official languages. That would keep in even Crimea, which ended up in Ukraine by accident. Instead, ruling thieves decided that primeval nationalism is the best smokescreen for their thievery. The rest was inevitable: tribal Hutu-Tutsi style nationalism can ruin any country.

        I don’t know why Putin decided to give Russian citizenship to Ukrainian citizens so easily. I hope he has his reasons: he tends to see far ahead, farther than most people.

        I don’t think the US would dare to put missiles in Ukraine. Their launch pads would be destroyed by Russia even before the missiles are in place. The US military wanted a Navy base in Sevastopol. As Russian joke puts it, Ukraine without Crimea is like a purebred stallion without balls. The US also wanted to use Ukraine as a battering ram against Russia. They did not take into account that a rotten log cannot serve as a battering ram. Now the US is not quite sure what to do with Ukraine, while Europeans are sick and tired of it. It became like a dead cat: everyone throws it over the fence in disgust in the hopes that the neighbor would bury it. In reality, Ukraine can be successful only in alliance with Russia, but now they made this impossible for a few decades: most Russians despise Ukraine and don’t want to touch it even with a ten-foot pole. That’s another reason why most Russians are OK with Putin’s policy of not recognizing Donbass republics.

        • Replies: @refl
      240. Smith says:
        @AnonFromTN

        If there is no interest for Russia in Ukraine and the Baltic, please recall all the russian 5th collumns, because that’s basically what the russians in Ukraine and the Baltics are. You are playing empire game while accusing the other countries as being “imperial”.

        And no, the US has never provided air support for the bandits in Syria, they are not that stupid to show their hands.

        The Baltics, Poland and Ukraine can survive well on themselves without the need of Russia constantly propagating muh nazi propaganda against them and infiltrating them with 5th collumns i.e. “russians”.

        And no, the only reason there is the “eastern rebels” in Ukraine in Russia is because of Russian propaganda (dem ukies gonna kill all of us) and materiel and personnel support and mercs. Without Russian support, those rebels would go poof, they are basically the same as the FSA as funded by the US.

        • Troll: FB, bluedog
        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
      241. @FB

        Thanks again. Glad Kevin gets away.

        Seems the Cold War is very much alive.

      242. @Smith

        Jeez, you don’t even understand how ridiculous you sound. Pretty mush how I would sound if I were stupid enough to pontificate about particle physics or non-Euclidean geometry.

        infiltrating them with 5th columns i.e. “russians”.

        Russians do live in the Baltics and in Ukraine. What’s more, while Russian speakers are a minority in the Baltics, mother tongue of more than half of Ukrainian population is Russian (as Google tricky non-question, “in what language do you want your questioner” showed). Not to mention that in Ukraine there are sizable minorities whose mother tongue is Hungarian, Romanian, Bulgarian, and Crimean Tatar. Crimean Tatar became one of the official languages in Crimea only after it returned to Russia. The population in Donbass, Odessa, and several other regions is majority Russian. Heck, mother tongue of even Ukrainian “presidents”, Porky and the current clown, is Russian. I speak better Ukrainian than them.

        • Replies: @Smith
      243. Smith says:
        @AnonFromTN

        There’s nothing stupid about what I sound though.

        And russians, chinese, jews and basically foreign nationals that have dual loyalty need to go back to their host countries and stop playing 5th columns.

        The fact they were there doesn’t mean it’s right. Russia has no problem deporting germans post-WW2 for whatever reasons, it’s time for Ukraine and the Baltics to do the same to russians, after all, they are Russian first so they should stay in Russia.

        • Replies: @Passer by
        , @AnonfromTN
      244. @Smith

        How about leaving the rest of the world alone?

        • Replies: @Smith
      245. Smith says:
        @ivegotrythm

        How about leaving the rest of the world alone?

        We can dance this dance.

      246. @FB

        But no…the reason the ‘west’ didn’t attack is not because they feared retaliation…it’s because they knew they could not take that airspace, nor the real estate underneath it…

        True dat, including your contention in another post regarding the uselessness of carrier air. Hell, back when I was in in 1978 pilots that flew in Vietnam said it out loud, if the missiles get even a little better, carrier air is outta business for all time. I always assumed they meant shipping missiles, too. You don’t have to sink a carrier, all ya have to do is get a fire going on the flight deck with a few missiles, a hail of ordinary Exocets would do the trick. If you can get it going with ordinance on the deck, it makes things even more busy, there’s no time or attention to mission, your mission just became to save your ass, tend to fires. Only saw it a couple of times, fires, but we had no appreciable ordinance up top. We had one landing go bad in May 81 on Nimitz and it killed a bunch of guys, crushed planes, cooked a missile’s warhead and damaged the ship enough to go in for repairs and crane the junk planes off the ship.

        And that’s just accidents. In today’s environment of ECM, GPS-Guided missiles, satellites, we’re just like Reagan said, cutely, You Can Run, But You Cannot Hide. Not anymore. And so why build them? To bilk us. Hell, we can’t man half of what they have anyway. They’re fleecing us, they think we’ll never be challenged. With carriers, that’s a mistake.

        Putin is stronger in another, important way, he doesn’t allow his defense industry and military to exercise the delusions, stupidity and corruption it would take to lay the keel for a carrier. But ours does all that and more with alacrity in their hearts and a song on their lips as they steal the last morsels. Doesn’t take an engineer to figure this shit out.

        Speaking of engineers, FB, I notice some pretty good analysis of the Harpoon, graphs, drawings and performance capabilities. Interesting shit. I’ve been curious about these drones, in particular the one the U.S. was tickling Iran’s coast with one night and got its ass shot down. 100,000,000 dollar Global Hawk drone. Talk about a profit center.. Those drones, the Raptor and the one configured for recon, do they have ANY ability to turn, to escape? The folks flying them, are they even capable of such ops? Also, if I’m in a bunker somewhere in Kansas flying one of these, what’s the lag in these things following maneuvering and altitude change commands for evasive purposes? Is it possible the lag is such that it could be shot down for a few seconds or a minute before the operator even understands what’s happened? So what’s the move, escort drones with fighters? Kind of defeats the point of unmanned drones, no? Bright spot for the Deep State is, now you have an extra, profitable element, cover for the drone.

        No? Yes? I cannot believe Putin is making such mistakes.. But WTF do I know? I am but a peasant..

        • Replies: @FB
      247. Passer by says:
        @Smith

        it’s time for Ukraine and the Baltics to do the same to russians

        You are really stupid person. You want to deport minorities? Guess what, those who rule over you intend to replace you with “minorities”. A western puppet demanding deportations, lol. Do you really think that this behavior will be tolerated by western countries? I guess you forgot who exactly lost WW2. Soon people of your kind will be getting fired from their jobs and bannned from everywhere for talk like this. And it won’t be russians getting rid of your kind, but your masters in the West. Not my problem that you sold yourself to the devil because of your russophobia, though.

        • Agree: FB
        • Replies: @Smith
      248. Haha says:
        @peterAUS

        Ah, that does explain things, even partly justifies. Hammering away at truly stupid souls and subjecting some to fatigue marches in full gear was a commendable approach in my view, but how on earth can it be successfully applied to counter the full-blown, mass stupidity of our times?
        Cheers!

      249. @Smith

        That’s exactly what Russians are doing. They return to Russia with their territory. Ukraine that joined Russia in the seventeenths century was six times smaller. Tsars, Lenin, Stalin, and Khrushchev added a lot of extra land. All these lands will return to their rightful owners. The Kiev criminals won’t have more than they deserve.
        BTW, I never call Ukies Nazi because they don’t measure up. German Nazis were capable, organized, brave, sober, and mostly honest. Ukies are cowardly, drunk, and venal losers. If I were a Nazi, I’d be offended to be placed in the same category as this trash

        • Replies: @FB
      250. peterAUS says:

        Hammering away at truly stupid souls and subjecting some to fatigue marches in full gear was a commendable approach in my view, but how on earth can it be successfully applied to counter the full-blown, mass stupidity of our times?

        You could be surprised, but when I said “training” it wasn’t just “fatigue marches” etc. I don’t want to make the “monitors’” job too easy (doxxing wise…) so won’t go into details.
        Let’s say there were, among other things, training sessions for junior officers in rather fancy technical and tactical stuff. And, there were sessions for top brass too; there were even, sometimes, some “star/flag” levels there (or so I say….).

        You are correct in one way, though: the audience, or better, its motivation.

        People DO listen and think, very carefully, when they have, literally, “skin in the game”. People in the military did, most of the time. “Getting”, in training, had, a lot of times, a direct relation to somebody’s life and limb. Or serious error and consequent court-martial.
        So…hehe…when I was telling/showing my stuff people opposite me WERE listening, thinking and asking correct questions.
        Motivation is key.

        One can NOT, at this stage, counter mass stupidity. No need to think. Life is too good. Or, good in for really matters to an average person: breads and circuses.
        The next concern, security, is still being carefully managed so they don’t see it. Demographic replacement, I mean.
        And, re this topic: potential SERIOUS conflict with Russia. It simply doesn’t register.

        The bottom line, things must go much worse in order to just make people interested enough to start listening and thinking.
        Will it happen in time….well, we’ll see, won’t we?

        And for this topic, well…hahaha…what’s the point of getting interested after the first nuke explodes, say, just in an area where a Russian sub is…. in Atlantic?

        On the practical, daily, level, you just don’t waste time and energy on those. If, when, you come across somebody who shows potential you try. Keep going if and while it works; if not dump him/her and move on.

        I have noticed recently, though, in real life, more of “potentials”.
        Not bad.

      251. FB says: • Website
        @Jim Christian

        Jim…that one the Iranians plinked was actually an MQ4 ‘Triton’ which has a sticker of closer to two hundred million, believe it or not…

        This is the navy version of the ‘Global Hawk’…both built by Grumman…they can go very high for surveillance work, nearly as high as a manned U2 [still flying after more than 60 years…they celebrated the 1,500’th pilot in the program a couple of years ago, so it’s an exclusive club]…

        I think the Iranians shot down the Triton at 65,000 ft…it costs more than the Global Hawk because it’s designed to operate at sea and so needs to descend through cloud layers occasionally…this means it needs de-icing capabilities for its wings and lightning protection…

        But yeah…200 million for one pilotless aircraft…you can get a wide-body Boeing like a 767 [brand new] for that kind of scratch…

        You do realize of course that there are literally thousands of parasites in pinstripe suits that are padding their nests from so-called ‘arms procurement’…that’s what it’s all about… just about every high level officer plugging away in the service at modest [but certainly decent] pay…has to think about the pot of gold that awaits in the ‘private sector’…

        The current SecDef Esper is just one such…having been recruited into the oval office straight out of Raytheon…he was a West Point grad and served as a paratrooper, which sounds impressive…but I doubt he was ever anything more than a punching his ticket kind of guy…

        As for the drones…you are correct that there is really no way from them to get away from a missile shot, either from the ground or air to air…they weren’t designed for that, since mostly they are used against countries that don’t have these capabilities…

        There is a time lag, several seconds…due to the satlink, similar to what you see on a TV live interview via sat…theoretically it should be almost instantaneous due to the relatively short distances of the sats and the speed of light, but in practice the signal processing takes time…

        Right now, most of the RPA [remotely piloted aircraft] pilots are at Creech AFB, Nevada…each unit is like a trailer, and there are dozens of these boxes just parked outside next to each other…LOL

        Until about 2010 you had to go through all the regular training to become an RPA pilot, which would include flying increasingly complex aircraft, turboprops to jets…but you would then branch off into RPA instead of going into your final ‘type’ whether F16 or C17 or whatever…

        But now they have a dedicated RPA pilot training program that’s been drastically gutted in terms of flying real airplanes…and you only have to do the basic flying training, which is about equivalent to a private pilot and is run by an outside contractor using little single-engine piston aircraft, just like you might go out and buy for hobby flying…

        Instead of then going on and training in the more challenging and capable aircraft [Texan 2 turboprop, then advanced jet trainer] like everyone used to…the RPA candidates only do some Texan 2 simulator time…

        So the bottom line is that before you had real pilots doing this…who could have chosen to go on to an F16 or transport or whatever…where now these RPA pilots are just basically private pilots with a lot of sim training…

        It just goes to show how they go about things and where the priorities lie…the military contractors like Grumman and Raytheon just keep getting more gravy, while actual training is cut to the bone…

        Not only that, but they are delivering incredibly bad airplanes [F35] and surely other hardware like surface ships etc…

        If you look at an F35, it’s limited to a 4.5 g sustained turn rate, which is actually lower than a Vietnam era F4 Phantom…an F16 can sustain over 6 g…

        Supposedly the razzle dazzle is in all the electronics and so-called ‘sensor fusion’ whatever that means…the brass gush about this turkey as a ‘flying computer’…so how great is that…a fucking computer…how do you kill someone with a computer…throw it at his head…?

        The fact is that the US has really no need to defend itself…because who is going to invade the US…?

        So it’s all a big money-making scheme for those who are fortunate or canny enough to be in on it…

        • Agree: Jim Christian
        • Replies: @Jim Christian
      252. FB says: • Website
        @AnonfromTN

        German Nazis were capable, organized, brave, sober, and mostly honest.

        Well…usually you post some very sensible thoughts here…but sometimes you come up with a real clunker…

        Do you suppose shooting children is ‘brave’…?

        A man is the lord over life and death when he gets an order to shoot three hundred children—and he kills at least one hundred fifty himself.

        –SS-Haupsturmführer Lothar Heimbach

      253. @FB

        Sorry you are wrong again!
        German soldiers revolted when they were commanded to shoot people even partizans.
        So Army;s high command created tho volunteer units “edelwais and other (I forgot the name ) letting the volunteers know their purpose. There was high replacements even in those Units German soldiers got sick shooting people. `

        • Replies: @FB
      254. FB says: • Website
        @Ilyana_Rozumova

        No…I’m not wrong ‘again’…

        The Einsatzgruppen were psychopaths…they were not ‘ordinary’ German soldiers…

        Even the revisionist historian David Irving, who is a saint on this website, has concluded that these psychos shot and killed several million people…

      255. @FB

        I am not a Nazi fan. In fact, my father fought Nazis, was wounded twice, got a Red Star Order and several medals. I know that German Nazis (as well as their Hungarian and Romanian sidekicks, and collaborator scum from the occupied territories, including Ukies) committed a lot of despicable atrocities. However, quite a few of the most atrocious acts Germans delegated to lowliest and the least scrupulous scum, like Bandera followers (e.g., many villages in Belarus were actually destroyed and all residents, including children, were killed by Ukies; there are numerous other examples).

        However, German army in 1939-44 was a formidable force. It took the Soviet army to defeat it. It wouldn’t be such a fighting machine if German soldiers were cowardly, drunk, venal scum, like Ukies. After all, Ukie 14th Waffen SS division Galychina (Galizische in German) lasted only a couple of days on the front lines against the Soviet Army. Germans lasted a lot longer. So, a very significant difference existed and must be acknowledged.

      256. Smith says:
        @Passer by

        I don’t see how russians would be the only ones deported. Every dual nationalities, “economic refugees”, vanilla refugees, moslems and jews ought to be deported. And christians too if they decide to open borders.

        And nah, “western countries” are increasingly getting their spine back, I’m working on that myself.

        @AnonfromTN
        So this is an open declaration of war? You want to take current Ukrainian territories, correct? Better do it, send in your army instead of barking all days, because Putin is not doing it for you.

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
        , @Passer by
      257. @Smith

        You still don’t understand an elementary thing: nobody can destroy Ukraine more efficiently than Ukies. They create conditions when Russia, Poland, Hungary, and Romania would be tempted to take their lands back. The only thing that stops them now is that they are all too fastidious to dirty their hands on Banderite scum.

        FYI, Putin is the President of Russia, I am not.

        • Replies: @Smith
      258. Smith says:
        @AnonFromTN

        OK, just waiting for that self-destruction then.

        If they don’t do that, it’s up to you and your army btw because Putin ain’t doing it, his army is fucking broke trying to play world police for the last 7 years in Syria.

        • Troll: FB
      259. @Smith

        Once you are out of touch with reality there is no going home.

      260. @Smith

        Putin ain’t doing it, his army is fucking broke trying to play world police for the last 7 years in Syria.

        Acting on that assumption would be a mistake. Putin’s mission with Ukraine and surrounding regions was to protect the Russians there, get them out, and rescue Crimea. Pretty modest goals. The pipeline breakouts and contracts, that was for Europe and the benefit of Ukraine, too. Business, nothing personal. See, this is the beauty of Nordstream 2, it bypasses all this nonsense with pipelines, it handles Germany onward. Running through the Baltic Sea, the Russians can control and protect it, stand off the U.S. Navy (no big task these days) and once the dust settles, lay another alongside the first and extend it across Germany or through the sea to France, a branch to Great Britain. Norway and Sweden and Denmark are already customers, no? Fucking broke? Hardly. They just brought a pipeline the equal of Nordstream over 5000 miles, it went on line a month ago. Landline. Impervious to attack by the U.S.. Sure, Russia is broke as shit. Meanwhile, nothing flies in Syria without Putin’s say-so, however reluctant.The S-400 ain’t a backbreaker of an expense while it enables complete control of the sky. He knows Israel gets the oil from Syria, but he can stop that too, make no mistake.

        Europe wants and will have these supplies, they aren’t buying into the “Evil Russian Empire” anymore. Especially, they don’t want and will not have a war across Europe because Hillary Clinton lost to Trump. They see through all of it. They’re resisting the con of having to ‘pay their way’ by buying F-35s, for instance. We’re close to these countries breaking from our impositions.

        No broke-as-fuck country produces goodies like this:

        • Agree: FB
      261. @FB

        Thanks. Yeah, knew about G-Loadings, that was part of my training as regards G-suits, oxygen and whatnot. I know that officially, the A-6 could pull 6.5 without Blacking out the pilots, overstress inspection ‘requirements’ started at 7Gs. They had a G-gauge in the main gear wheel well, port side on the A6s, it showed the Max G load the plane pulled since last reset, plane captains were to record that after every hop. The pilots got into the shit with the Maintenance Officers when they brought the plane back overstressed because now things have to be looked at, time, labor, space on the hangar deck below. Being the good guy that I was, soon as the plane was chained, I’d reset the G-Guage upon request if it was 7-ish, 7.25 G. Borderline. When they went out on a hop and pulled 7.7 or 7.8, that meant they were fucking around dog-fighting and things were gone too far. I hadda apologize and refuse. The planes were old. And they’d crack election seat mountings, warp the LOX heat exchanger and other stuff. Every specialty had to inspect their part of the plane and the structures guys got the worst it with rivets popped all over the skin. That’s why the pilots got pissed on, too much Gs no good. Excessive A6 G’s pulled things out of line, snapped the safety/lock wiring of the bolts and mounts between components, twisted the jackscrews of the seat adjustment motors. Many things go wrong when you exceed envelopes. It was still a stout bird.

        Is this stuff in play when they fly these drones? Do present day drones have the same engines and characteristics as say, the cruise missiles you profile on your site? I guess you don’t get your mitts on that stuff with the present day drones, but idiot that I am, I find that stuff fascinating.

        • Replies: @FB
      262. Passer by says:
        @Smith

        You are delusional idiot. Trump just signed anti-semitism executive order. Is this what “getting their spine back” means? I would like to see you saying the same thing in any western corporation or company and then keeping your job. You don’t have any spin left, the only thing you have is begging for attention in few internet forums. And since i think that your kind are losers, i’m not going to give you any more attention until you prove that you deserve it. And that won’t happen with mere whinning in internet forums, but with real change.

        • Agree: FB
        • Replies: @Smith
      263. @Smith

        trying to play world police for the last 7 years in Syria

        Amazing, even your numbers are dead wrong. Russia deployed its troops in Syria in September 2015. For the particularly gifted, 2019-2015=4, not 7.

        You can get some interesting tidbits in an American paper “Russia is the only winner in Syria”:
        https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/30/russia-is-the-only-winner-in-syria/

      264. FB says: • Website
        @Jim Christian

        Eight gs in a Drumstick…?…good times…

        Yeah that’ll pop some rivets…LOL

        But here’s the thing…that g-meter is going to record the max instantaneous g…there’s no way that plane has the power to sustain much over 4 g in a turn…if that…

        A modern fighter can pull over 10 g instantaneous…but will sustain only a little over 6, because they have the engine power to overcome the drag that comes with a sustained steeply banked turn…huge amount of drag there…

        The limiting factor is the pilot…because at 6 g you are going to start graying out or blacking out, even with a g-suit and doing the anti-g straining maneuver [AGSM…basically tensing up your abdomen]…

        Blackout doesn’t mean losing consciousness…that’s G-LOC and very bad because you could crash before waking up…but your eyes are the most sensitive to blood flow, or lack thereof…and in a sustained high g turn it’s all going to go down into your legs [even with the g-suit pumping up your legs and around your waist with compressed air like a blood pressure belt]…

        So you first start getting tunnel vision…then gun barrel vision, then grey out [no color]…then blackout…you don’t see anything, but you’re still awake…

        Now just wondering if you ever had some insane negative g readings…?

        That’s a lot harder to take…even a couple of g negative will cause red-out…everything turns red instead of black, because the blood can’t flow back down your jugular…

        As for cruise missiles…they have quite poor turning performance, due to their small wings, which results in high wing loading…which is the weight divided by wing area…in a T-Hawk wing loading is going to be twice that of a commercial passenger jet, and about four times as much as a fighter…

        So think about strapping on a 100 pound backpack and then trying to run a zig zag pattern…not going to work well…

        Same with the drones…they have long, glider-like wings that are meant for efficient soaring up high for recon work and such…they aren’t going to pull any kind of quick turns believe me…

        The drones have different kinds of engines, depending on the type…the Global Hawk has a Rolls Royce turbofan engine that you will also see on Embraer regional jets and some bizjets…

        The small Predator drone just has a four banger piston engine turning a prop…115 hp, turbocharged for high altitude work…its much bigger brother the MQ9 ‘Reaper’ has a turboprop engine of about 1,000 hp…that’s a gas turbine [ie jet] engine, that drives a prop instead of a fan…you’ll see the same engine on small turboprop civil aircraft like a Beechcraft King Air and the like…

        Anyway…I think the A6 was rated for 6.5 g max…but there is a safety factor of 1.5 built in, so it’s going to be closer to 10 before you actually break the wings off…LOL

        But yes…much above 7 and things are going to get bent…

        • Replies: @Jim Christian
      265. Smith says:
        @Passer by

        I don’t see how a zionist president signing a zionist executive order means the population isn’t their getting their spine back.

        The western world is getting increasingly racialist with a huge distrust for foreigners. And that’s a good thing.

        @AnonFromTN:
        Russia’s attempt has been since 2012 though. And yeah, the only winner by spending so much money in Syria that you become broke, while the US slurps on oil.

        • Replies: @Jim Christian
      266. refl says:
        @AnonFromTN

        The US also wanted to use Ukraine as a battering ram against Russia. They did not take into account that a rotten log cannot serve as a battering ram. Now the US is not quite sure what to do with Ukraine, while Europeans are sick and tired of it.

        Maybe, you are still underestimating the foresight of those who enginered the Ukrainian disaster. When the noodle woman said “Fuck the EU” that had a deeper meaning. The Angloamericans are loosing influence in Europe, but in leaving they tear it apart and destroy any advance that has been made in European unity. Brexit is not just a mess, it is a designed mess. Germany should be at the heart of European indepence. Nobody wants that anyway, but instead of trying to get something done, the German political class is messing up everything that they could have achieved. The people in government are genuinely stupid, there is no doubt about that. But there would be adults around in normal times to talk sense into them.

        It is like the run up to WWII: you do not know who ist really being fooled and who is playing the con game. It is not possible that the western political establishment has so completely lost its sense. There must be some master behind with a clear idea of what he wants. And for this master taking over Crimea was just one option. Fueling hysteria in Europe and tearing the EU apart was also part of the menue. And this master has achieved to paint Russia into the corner for now.

        The problem today is that nobody knows, how an actual shooting war in Europe would work out. So there is a hybrid war going on. The result for now will be that the Europeans will end up in a complete mess, unable of governance for decades at least. Around Europe, there will be ever mounting chaos. Probably the aim is that this chaos will suck Russia in as well.

        You take the old equation “US in, Russia out, Germany down” and adapt it:
        The US cherrypickes what they can still use like military basis and bargaining chips re Russia and China, Europe ends up a basquet case by the name of Eurabafrica and if Russia wants Germany or Europe as a partner, the only thing they get is a pile of shit.

        • Agree: Jim Christian
        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
      267. @FB

        Hell of a write, FB, as usual. Understood about the difference between transitional/instantaneous G and sustained G. It’s the transitions that used to piss off the maintenance officers of my day. The thing was meant to do various jinks, wings vertical to the ground and back to level avoiding ground fire, and the quick transitions up and down, hard right-and-left S’s to run from a detected threat. Sort of like the transitions when they would go up to ‘play’. Every A6 pilot was a frustrated fighter jock. It was the transitions between level and not and into and out of turns that brought the plane back with bad rivets and need for overstress inspections. You don’t take sustained G without serious issues. Speaking of negative G. imagine those poor bastards on the 737Maxx crashes, repeated negative/positive G over and over till they contacted terra firma. Fuck!

        I got to take a few right-seat ferry flights, trading planes between squadrons, Oceana-Whidbey-Oceana, nothing operational and only because I was AME2 and could check out the seats when we took delivery and when the right-seaters wanted the weekend off instead of ferry duty. Few enlisted got to do any of that, although I had a buddy name of Duck they allowed to go up with the KA6 guys and pump gas, he had traps and went to the tailhook convention that got everyone in trouble in Vegas. They thought he’d re-enlist. Ha! They thought they could entice me to re-enlist, too with rides. Ha, again! I discovered that even with a good grunt on LOX, with a good g-suit, 3 or 4 g’s sustained even for a few seconds had me seeing pretty little polka dots. He gave me a taste of being weightless when we were over Fallon NAS, after a gas stop too. Fun! Understand all that, I got a mild taste of it. Other than the gear and that the seats were a little firm, the thing was a perfectly affable bird with a hell of a view all around. The ride was quite commercial, although we were allowed the luxury of 40 or 42K altitude, the ceiling. Quiet up there.

        Now, maybe the A6 early life cycle, forgetting the aircrews, could pull ten without breaking a wing (they had to make transitions after dropping a load that made the wings flap like a bird), but later-life, the max-loading dropped as they aged, they knew it was wearing out. They even came up with a program to rehab wing roots late-eighties to keep the thing flying, but the pressure was intense to take it out of service and buy more F/A 18s. It cost them loadout, cost them endurance, cost them tanker assets, and look at the compromise; they were using S3s for tanker duty and nothing replaced the KA6 with it’s 26,000 pounds of gas aloft. Not sure the Queer F18 equaled the Queer EA6, either, given the four-man crew and variety of instruments aboard that vs. the 18. The F-18 was compromised in every way vs. the F-14 except short-term maneuverability and maintenance, of course, although the modern electronics of today was well beyong the F-14. While the F-14 could run, in an actual fight, loaded with 6 AIM54’s, the F-14 had you 100 miles out because the Phoenix system would kill you from above. From there, lots of planes in the US inventory could kill it, even though it had guns and sidewinders. That they made it into an Attacker was further compromise from killing the A-6, most of Naval Air became a compromise because nothing hauling bombs or fuel had the range afterward.

        By the way, Top Gun was 99.9% pure bullshit, just like Ivory Soap. Flight of the Intruder was a pretty good movie except they made Danny Glover the Skipper, in the book the skipper was a Wop or some such. Been meaning to find it, but it’s out twenty years or more, doubt it’s finable, heh. The depicted psychopathy of the characters though, their internal motors, their antics, those were well and truly told in the film. William Dafoe was perfect. But in terms of race, Flight of the Intruder with the Black skipper in 1972 and Top Gun, showing us a Black RIO, all lies, damned lies, revisions. It was the beginning of reversing reality. I never saw a Black pilot of any type, nor rear-seater in a fighter squadron, nor right-seater in A6s. Never, circa 1976-1983. Everything in NAVAIR was pure merit until just after my time. In the movies, however, they have to lie. Because, well, you know. As for the women, well, they wrecked the whole fucking thing, it’s dead. And here we are, cannot crew a carrier and real fighting squadrons more than X2.

        Any yet, the Ford Class. The Kleptocrats have us firmly in their grips and we’re quite likely to get our asses kicked.

        Hell of a ride, FB. Hell of a time for a young man.

        • Replies: @FB
      268. @Smith

        I don’t see how a zionist president signing a zionist executive order means the population isn’t their getting their spine back.

        You have no idea the power of the people that can usurp free speech via boycotts and public speaking or press with these Anti-BDS and antisemitism speech codes and laws. This is legislated squashing of the 1st A, do you understand that? Utterly unconstitutional. Israel defeating our Constitution. They have the entire ruling class here ready to violate their Oath of Office to protect and defend the Constitution. Getting their spine back? You are seriously delusional, fella.

        Back to that, getting your spine on, are you? You see the Impeachment panel of the Hill the past two months? Every member, every witness, every interrogating attorney, Jewish haters of Trump. Trump has given Israel everything and then some and STILL the Jews on the Hill are killing him. He’s pushing this Mutual Defense Pact with Israel. They still hate him. The Senate is mulling the thing, everyone up there is being worked over to approve it, get it out of committee and send it to the House for a yes vote. If the Senate sends it to the House for a vote of Yes, Trump will sign it. Then, we become Israel’s hit man, as if we aren’t already. Trump killed the deal with Iran and brings us to the brink of war on behalf of Israel, for nothing more. Still they hate him. Billions oof dollars, the junkets to Israel REQUIRED of every House and Senate member and to distract us, “RUSSIA is the enemy that interferes in elections”. Oh no, our system is bought and paid, well and truly. Now, we wait for the end.

        Go ahead, get that spine in shape.

        Go ahead, get your spine on. All I can say good about Trump at this point is, he was more palatable than Hillary. Trump is the one with no spine. And fact is, if a candidate on the Democratic Party runs a strong plank to end the business with sanctions on Iran, they have my vote because I am sick to death of being on the brink for Israel. We’ve done plenty enough for Israel. They’ve cost us, they’ve cost a lot. Trump can go fuck himself for that one issue. And in general. I haven’t gotten one damned thing out of the guy that I wanted. And a lot I didn’t.

        • Replies: @Smith
      269. FB says: • Website
        @Jim Christian

        Jim…you’re absolutely right about fatigue on the airframe…they do get weaker with age…and each time you pull those hard jinking maneuvers it adds to the running total…

        Ultimately the airframe is rated for a total life of about six to eight thousand hours on a fighter or attack type aircraft [generally speaking]…on the F/A18 they have had to extend that because they just don’t have money for new planes…go figure that one…[and where the trillions are going…]

        So now it’s been extended to closer to ten thousand hours…which is kind of curious because the laws of physics and metallurgy haven’t actually changed as far as I’m aware…

        So they’re even stricter now about ‘unnecessary’ stress on the airframe…and what do they tell these guys when they send them out on an actual combat mission…‘just be gentle on her…might not want to try to to get out of the way of that missile shot…?’

        Fortunately the countries that are on the receiving end really don’t have much to hit back with…except in the case of little Serbia back in ’99…so they had to be extra careful, even with 1,000 planes in the sky…

        And I would say hitting Iran is likewise being approached very cautiously…[not that hitting Iran isn’t necessary, right…?]

        Talk about a ridiculous empire…

        Of course all is good as long as the billionaires keep getting richer…?

        LOL

        PS…thanks for sharing those great memories…really enjoyed that…

      270. @refl

        It is not possible that the western political establishment has so completely lost its sense.

        I thought so before, but now I am not so sure. Quite a few actions of the Empire are so self-destructive that one has to wonder whether the elites are clinically stupid, or just stark staring mad.

        I agree that the plan was to hurt Russia and the EU at the same time. Hence the “sanctions” that Europeans stupidly support. But the Empire makes self-defeating moves in other regions, including the ME and the Pacific. This suggests to me that stupidity/insanity of the imperial elites should not be discarded as a viable hypothesis.

      271. @Smith

        “Smith” – judging by your mangled English, you are more likely a “Kowalski” or some other limitrophe with an irrational Russia hatred. Still, since hatred blinds rendering the enemy less dangerous, it’s all for the best.

        • Replies: @AnonFromTN
      272. @Plato's Dream

        My two cents. Not all Poles are mad. Not all psychos are Poles.

      273. Smith says:
        @Jim Christian

        Trump doesn’t matter, his favoritism over the jews make them an overt enemy. Now hatred of jews are getting so mainstream that the government must shut it down, that is the popularion getting the spine back. Suppression will only make the voices ring louder.

        @Plato’s Dream:
        More ad hominem, it’s weird that you can’t hate everyone equally on Unz, especially Russia and China. Every hatred for Russia must be “blind irrational hate” lol despite their aggresiveness in Ukraine.

        And no, I am vietnamese, not american nor pole.

        • LOL: ivegotrythm
        • Replies: @Plato's Dream
      274. Now hatred of jews are getting so mainstream that the government must shut it down, that is the popularion getting the spine back.

        It isn’t hatred. Noticing the monolith is NOT hatred. It’s just noticing. I’ve been to Israel, back in the service45 years back. It was a war-torn backwater three years off Yom Kippur. They were pretty good to us, IAF back then was a jolly crew to party with. Since then, they’ve made massive, destructive headway
        and become a corruptocracy on our politics and and a muzzle on our own 1st A rights with statutes in the past three or four years and a diplomatic problem with this new Mutual Aid Pact that’s on the way.

        Proof of their power and the way they defend their depravities isthe notion that noticing is hatred of Jews. Noticing the Mafiosi wasn’t hatred of Italians. But these folks HAVE become gangsters and noticing isn’t hatred. It’s merely noticing. And it’s on both sides of the pond.

        • Replies: @Smith
      275. Smith says:
        @Jim Christian

        OK boomer.

        There’s nothing wrong with hatred for rats and roaches. They are vile and destructive.

      276. vot tak says:

        I have a lot of respect for Mr. Martyanov and have enjoyed reading articles and comments by him. I was disappointed with this review by the saker because he didn’t really go into much detail about what was written in the book and, rather, spent a lot of time praising u.s. military cadets he went to school with. Would have preferred more discussion of the book contents and concepts presented.

      277. @Smith

        You give Vietnamese people a bad name.

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